A few other things I couldn’t fit in the description PART 1: A big thank you again to those who’ve supported the channel on ko-fi/thereorderboard, including those repeat donations! If you follow me you can still see the updates on ko-fi, but I’m still grateful! You can also follow me on Twitter too @thereorderboard. Thank all those who helped with the Irish, which I’ve mentioned above and to @Dave King who provided some number crunching for me, much appreciated! I ran out of space in the main description once again (1971 is a busy year!) but here’s @mrjdsworld’s blog: euroscoreboards.wordpress.com/2021/07/20/dublin-1971/ It contains all the details of the ‘egg crate’ display that we see for the first time at Eurovision…don’t worry we go back to displaying numbers on a split flat display in 1972, and that older geared system in Luxembourg 73! Unfortunately we’re back to 720p, mainly because a lot of the footage from 71 that’s uploaded tops out at 480p. This has been a mammoth edition, and there’s plenty of great detail from andtheconductoris.eu. I’ve cut some of it down below, but most notable, I think, was the closeness of Séverine and Jean-Claude Petit to the French delegation - so much so, that he didn’t see anything of anyone from TMC, the Monaco broadcaster. I think there’s two stories from the voting, one about how the songs are scored (the most important), but there’s also a story of how the juries performed…clearly Luxembourg had decided to be quite stingy! I’ve included some of the facts that I garnered from number crunching! It’s difficult to work out because of the change to Euros, but I think IE£250,000 works out at about €2.5m today…don’t quote me on that (the Irish Stats Office does have an inflation counter that goes back to Apr 1971, but I had to do an awkward conversion of IEP to EUR). There’s a few interesting bits from the score data too. In total, 49% of the total possible votes were given out. In general, the older jurors gave out more points. Yes, Luxembourg were the toughest, giving just 25% of their possible points out (France gave out 63%), also, both jurors worked together to create a similar effect. The biggest difference between the ages was Italy, with the younger juror giving out 16 points less than the elder (Finland was similar at 12). Austria, Germany, Belgium, Sweden, Portugal and Norway’s younger jurors gave out more points than their elder counterparts. In terms of the song performances and building on the fact that older jurors gave out more points; the biggest difference was Diese Welt (Germany) which was preferred by older jurors by a difference of 8 points. Italy had the biggest difference in preference the other way, getting 9 points more from younger jurors. In fact it was one of only 2 songs (the other being Norway) that got more votes from younger voters. Once again, the BBC had scored a good deal with Clodagh Rodgers, and she would appear on Cliff Richard’s show over 7 weeks to select the song to be sent to Dublin. Rodgers didn’t get her own show from the BBC though, and Jack-In-The-Box charted at number 4 - it would be her last Top 10 hit. Finishing fourth was quite a bad result for the UK at the time, even though she missed out on the top three by just 2 points. To be fair, the bar was incredibly high, with the UK only being out of the top two, 3 times since 1959! Recently Rodgers had said that the UK’s quick vaccine rollout, and Brexit would mean no one would vote for the UK anymore…the usual story! To my mind, Rodger’s song is the last of the slightly child-like [??] songs…and I’m not sure what word to use, almost onomatopoetic, plosive? Either way, I mean ‘PUP-Pet on a string’, ‘Con-GRAT-U-LAYshuns’, ‘Boom Bang-a-bang’, ‘Knock, Knock’. You know what I mean? The next UK entry would be far more mature in sound, to my mind. Yes, my graphic does say the postcards appear to be about architecture, and then some show shots of boats, trains, planes, cliffs etc…I mean to say they don’t focus on ‘people’ or experience, or emotions like modern postcards. I kept a graphic out of the Interval act as they appear to have changed their name, with wiki referring to the group as the Bunratty Castle Entertainers, and the show calling them Shannon Castle Entertainers…there would be comments either way. Two new languages at the beginning with Viennese (ok it’s a dialect), and Maltese. Not sure why Malta didn’t use the advantage of singing English - I had to find a font that supported those characters! Overall, a great selection of songs I think. A Yugoslav Tom Jones, Luxembourg is very entertaining, I like Austria’s entry even though I can see how it might irritate. The love songs appear to be a little more twisted and bitter these days! Special mention of Dolf Van Der Linden, who’d been in the Contest since the 1957 (not 63 and 69), it would be his last appearance at the Contest. Only Norway would have a lyric which says ‘happiness is herring in dill’! The most ear wormy during the 5 to 7 times I go through all the songs was Belgium’s, who due to illness had a late change of performer. Since Malta are joining here, a very brief history of television in Malta: In 1957 television was introduced, although they were RAI broadcasts from nearby Sicily. In 1962, TVM, the main channel in Malta was launched by Public Broadcasting Services (PBS). Everything carried on until 1991 when the market was opened - interestingly though, not to private companies but to political parties. The Labour Party’s network ‘One’ remains the second most popular network today. With digitalisation there’s now more private choice, but many people receive the BBC and RAI via satellite. The launch of TVM in Malta was two years before Independence from the UK (which had acquired control of the islands from the French after giving Napoleon a thoroughly good thrashing in 1814). The Maltese people endured horrendous bombing during the Second World War (as it was close to Axis shipping lanes) and King George VI had awarded the islands the rare George Cross, which now appears on its flag. (Recently, the NHS in the UK achieved the same distinction, for its role in fighting the COVID pandemic.) After independence negotiations in 1964 (in which Malta attempted to join the UK), the Labour Party won elections the same year as the Dublin Contest, which set in train the transition to a republic within the Commonwealth. By 1979 a defence agreement with the UK expired, and the British military subsequently left the islands permanently for the first time since 1814. Malta joined the EU in 2004, and the Euro in 2008.
- Here’s a quick rundown of 1971 in history then: Although the exact date is unknown, the first email is sent in the US. In February, South Vietnam invades Laos, with the backing of the US of course. On February 15th, the UK and Ireland switch to decimal money, replacing a coinage system first implemented by Charlemagne in Western Europe a MILLENNIUM before. I find footage of pre-decimalisation fascinating - working out the smallest amount of coins required to buy two items in a shop is mind boggling! The UK was quite late to the party, with former British Dominions like Canada and Australia and South Africa doing so earlier in the 1960s, although this probably reflects the fact that Sterling is a major reserve currency - certainly the approach was different in Britain compared to those other countries, because of that fact. Sweden had decimalised in 1855, Spain in 1868, the Dutch in 1817 and Russia, the first (technically - some coins were split into 100s) in 1704 - so it wasn’t a new-fangled idea! In March a UK postal strike disrupts Cliff Richard’s Eurovision selection show, meaning regional juries are used instead. At the end of the month, the first Starbucks opens in Washington state. On April 17th, both the People’s Republic of Bangladesh is proclaimed (formerly East Pakistan), and Libya, Syria and Egypt start one of the few attempts at creating an Arab confederation. There’s further Vietnam protests throughout the year. In June, the UK begins negotiations on joining the EEC. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, with Gene Wilder (the good version of it) is released in cinemas. In July, the South Tower of the World Trade Center in New York is topped out. British troop numbers reach 11,000 in Northern Ireland. In August, a civilian government takes control in Greece. In October, Walt Disney World opens in Orlando, Greenpeace is found in Vancouver and in December Médicins Sans Frontières is founded too. In October, the UK Parliament votes 356-244 in favour of joining the EEC, and on Halloween, a bomb explodes on top of (Post Office) BT Tower in London. There’s also the usual smattering of plane crashes, and hijackings. I watched the film ‘71’ in preparation for this year, as it’s set in Northern Ireland - it’s on Netflix and I quite enjoyed it!
i love how the Luxembourgish jury just hates every song and gives only 4 songs more than 2 points. and even then they only gave out 5 points at the highest
This is a work of art! I’ve been wondering how you would approach the voting for these early 70s contests and you’ve surpassed yourself! The whole screen is very dynamic. Thank you as always. It’s nice to see boring old Helvetica gets it’s day in the sun too! Helvetica was very popular with UK and Irish TV channels at this time - the contemporary BBC 1 symbol, and the new colour logos for Thames, Yorkshire Television and Ulster Television all used Helvetica very proudly. (And talking of logos, that stripey RTE logo was their best ever).
Thank you so much, you handled in such a lovely way the very challenging 1971 scoreboard and you paid a wonderful homage to this exceptional edition of the contest. Wonderful Irish feelings, lovely host, great songs - the winner is still, in my opinion, one of the best Eurovision songs ever - and that amazing ending theme, on the image of the Waterford crystal medal, that still moves after so many years: PS: The odds are not very high at the moment, but Massimo Ranieri might represent Italy again in Eurovision 2022, after 41 years from this wonderful performance.
I almost forgot about the odd scoring system of 2 jurors giving high marks in this year and the next one. You really outdid your self on this one with the way you implemented the system into the reorder scoreboard. Nice touches also on the history elements of this years contest as well. May have learned a bit lol. Look forward to 72 now. Keep up the great work as always. Always enjoy these every time they come around
Wow! Thanks for your great videos. I thought just watching all the ESCs was a pandemic project… and for me it was. As an American I got a late start as a Eurovision fan. Thank you!
This was a great year, and great job on the scoreboard. I was wondering how you would incorporated all the numbers being thrown out from all the jurors and 3 countries voting at a time. Actually, having the scoreboard reorder with every vote made the voting more dynamic! It was such a strong year, one of my favorites, and RTE did a fantastic job hosting the contest considering their constraints and challenges. I think this is the first year that Terry Wogan gave commentary for the contest on BBC Radio (not sure if it was Radio 1 or 2). Monaco is a good winner, a bit old fashioned, but a deserving one. It's such a shame that Monaco didn't host the following year, and would never be able to afterwards. Although, to be honest, any of the top 5 would have been great winners. Finally, I know opinions vary from person to person, but good god Luxembourg! If they were going to be stingy with the points they could have been less obvious. I know there were going to be juries giving a low amount a points, but when you have an almost 30 point difference between 2nd least generous (Spain) and themselves, you know something was up. Once again great job and I can't wait for 1972 & 1973!
I was wondering how you would treat this year (and by extension the next two). And that was better than I could have imagined. I also wonder if anybody at the EBU thought a country would give so few points (as pointed out, Luxembourg only gave 43pts (compared to the 58pts that a jury or televote nowadays)). But then they didn't seem to think more than one country could win.
By some bizarre leg-bone-connected-to-the-etc. alchemy I just happen to have stumbled across this excellent re-packaging of what was a sort of re-launch of the Eurovision Song Contest - as you describe it, "The Song Contest 2.0" - the Winner of which is my all-time favourite, followed by an impressive duo of solo female artists making up the 'podium' in Karina and Katja Ebstein, our very own life-endangering absolutely gorgeous Clodagh Rodgers coming close behind. I also enjoyed the moment the UK Jury gave Markku Aro ja Koivistolaiset the full ten points as I love 'Tie uuteen päivään' in terms of ESC entries that did reasonably well, if not spectacularly. On the 'Golden Anniversary' of this edition, 3rd April 2021, as I have a copy on vinyl of 'Un banc, un arbre, une rue', I made a recording of it and uploaded it to my channel in celebration, if you're interested in that. On a Finnish theme, as well as it being covered in Czech by Jana Matysová as 'Hloupí kluci' - I run the Blog dedicated to the female artists of a 'certain era' of the satellite nations of the former Soviet Bloc entitled 'Girls Of The Golden East' - it was also covered by a non-Soviet Bloc artist for whom I have quite a bit of time, Carola (Standertskjöld) as 'Penkki, puu ja puistotie'. At the time when I was making all the Web discoveries leading to the aforementioned Blog around the middle of the last decade I thought it might be a good idea to look into the female scene in the then politically diametrically opposite Iberian Peninsula, being as I was dipping into the Soviet Bloc and it was quite a discovery that there was a feature film starring Karina entitled 'En un mundo nuevo' where she improves that second place to first. I also discovered the 'Killer-B' (Side) to her 'Regresarás' of 1969, 'El baúl de los recuerdos', which I just had to order. It's a superb orchestration by the great Waldo De Los Rios of a great tune by Tony Luz. I'll conclude my remarks with a special compliment to your translation of the lyrics as they are sung and the material in Irish Gaelic, especially all the names of the participating countries. That's fantastic attention to detail!
Good job on the new voting system! I like the combination of the actual footage and the graphics you have on the board. As for 1971, I felt like it was quite anonymous to me. Sure, it was the RTE's first time hosting Eurovision and you mentioned a few struggles there, but I find both songs and production quite forgettable. My top five: 5. YUG 4. PRT 3. ITA: I was x years old when I found out Massimo Ranieri competed twice in Eurovision, haha. That said, this was one of the strongest efforts this year, in that it's poetic and thoughtful in the lyrics. A bit what one would expect from Italy, but it still does it job and is a solid song. 2. MCO: Definitely a highlight from this year, especially the brashness of the composition. I also liked the guitar riff in the beginning. I've heard that "Un arbre, un banc, une rue" sounds like a graduation song, and I get it, though with a bit more sadness on leaving childhood behind. It's a bit sad, but I like it still. 1. NED: What stood out with Tijd was its medieval like atmosphere, with the folk instruments and the delicate ambiance. It's introspective yet pretty, both in terms of minimalistic elements and its lyrics. It's a nice little gem considering what the seventies would bring ahead.
Very neat design! As always you manage to keep the spirit of that year yet make it super modern! And yeah Ernst Grissemanns talking is a bit annoying, even for an austrian myself 😅
I really think the actual 1971 scoreboard is RTÉ’s best scoreboard. Really excellent design and with the lights used for total score, it looks years ahead of the board from Amsterdam. But your interpretation is excellent, and it looks like you’ve sorted out how best to reflect the new voting system. I particularly like how the scores blink, like they did in the actual board. No idea how they thought that system would work, though they probably knew it would be very unlikely to create a tie at the end. This is already in the blog, but I am genuinely curious why RTÉ archive footage from the night before the contest showed the scoreboard, but with “West Germany” on it, and why the last minute change.
I'm sure you'll have seen it in your research, but there's some photos online taken by an RTE member of staff during the dress rehearsal. It's not totally clear, but it looks as if there may have been a standby scoreboard in one of the theatre boxes (the same one where Serge Lama's lady friend was sitting during the French song!)
So I heard a story many years ago that someone at RTE wanted a film crew to go out and get B-roll of the Gaiety to use for Eurovision 1971. Somewhere along the line that got misinterpreted into RTE renting the Gaiety. So that's why the world's biggest musical contest was held in a tiny bandbox theatre that was barely big enough for a camera platform.
It was the 100th anniversary of the theatre in 1971. Also there was an interview on RTE where one of the producers was keen to use the Gaiety for this reason. You are right though. It's small. All the decent size venues in Dubljn had closed down. I think they should have used the Cork Opera House! :-)
Shameless and silly name dropping alert: I met Bernadette Ní Ghallchóir on a couple of occasions some years ago when her husband was Irish ambassador to Italy! She was very beautiful and somewhat regal in her bearing. I didn’t dare raise the subject of Eurovision with her(!)
You are quite right. She gave up her career in television when her husband took on a career as ambassador, but in recent years she is highly regarded as artist and patron of the arts in Ireland.
I think the carriage driver in the opening film got lost. We see it leave St. Stephen’s Green via Fusiliers' Arch (4:59) in the late afternoon sunshine. In the next scene (5:07), it’s arriving at the Gaiety in total darkness. In reality, these two points are about 100 metres apart.
In the opening sequence, the young lady and gentleman emerge from no. 71 (for 1971, geddit) Merrion Square. The young lady in question is, I believe, Grace O'Shaughnessy, one of Ireland's foremost models of the time (I haven't a clue who the young gentleman is, nor the identity of the horse). The house in question belonged for many years to Miss Sybil Connolly. Miss Connolly (always Miss Connolly) was a famous designer whose dresses adorned Jacqueline Kennedy and Elizabeth Taylor, amongst others. I imagine that Miss O'Shaughnessy is probably wearing one of her creations in this clip.
This is one of my favourite years (except for the voting system) but it is lamentable that we did not seem to have an appropriate venue for Eurovision in 1971 (Dublin had the Royal Theatre, which was hugely popular and profitable, but that was torn down in 1962 after the owners sold it to the Department of Health to build a monstrosity of a building called Hawkins House, which was recently torn down in turn). My voting for 1971 is as follows: An Riocht Aontaithe - pointe amhain An Bheilg - dhá phointe An Spáinn - trí phointe An Ostair - ceithre phointe An Fhoinnlain - cuig phointe An Isiltir - sé phointe An Iodáil - seacht bpointe An Phortangéil - ocht bpointe Monacó - deich bpointe (TOTALLY deserving winner and would have been my 12 points for many years but for reasons outlined above….) agus ar deireadh... AN GHEARMÁIN - DHÁ PHOINTE DHÉAG
This ought to be your most ambitious Reorder project yet -- and what a marvellous job you've done with it! (A bit sad to see Serbo-Croatian Ćs and Čs gone again; it's more than made up, though, by the simplicity and the beauty of Helvetica used throughout the VI.)
Ah, sorry about that. I had 32 minutes living in a world where I had checked everything and everything was fine. It's damn annoying that's these fonts (and more importantly how the software interprets them) don't support seemingly basic-ish characters. Unfortunately to rectify it, I'd have to record the scoreboard again, so it'll have to just stay there forever. Will try better next time!
@@thereorderboard Oh no worries whatsoever! The 'fault' with the typefaces or apps not supporting this or that character map doesn't lie with you in the least (looks begrudgingly at Adobe). With your masterpiece scoreboards, you've made the past two years that more bearable and enjoyable. This time, you've turned an otherwise bland and monotonous voting procedure into a far more exciting one. I'm in absolute awe of your attention to detail -- down to the colour scheme and the presentation of individual jury member scores. Looking forward to your next outing, whenever that may be 🙂
The Presenter had recently moved to Switzerland with her husband on his first diplomatic posting and flew back to Dublin for the week to prepare, in an interview she said she was totally cut off from everything as she went from the hotel to the theatre and back and that’s all she did, saying if she’d known how much national pride was at stake it would have undone her completely. Also the voice you hear calling out the votes is a guy called Gay Byrne, Gay was a huge personality in RTE, he was the host of his own TV talk show called The Late Late Show, he also hosted a few National Contests too.
@@thereorderboard another fact was that all the colour TV cameras were on loan from the BBC as RTE did not have any at the time, that’s why this contest was RTEs first ever program broadcast in Colour.
@@waynemartin4881 So I didn't say that specifically in my description because I'd also read that RTÉ were forced to upgrade to colour earlier than they planned - which made me think they bought some of the stuff...maybe they loaned some equipment...it was just too ambiguous.
If you search TH-cam, you’ll find an episode of the RTÈ chat show “Lifelines” from 1995 which was a Eurovision special. All the past RTÈ contest presenters were there (though Fionnuala, who by then had made it big with CNN, only appeared in a taped message), including Bernadette, with whom the presenter has a brief chat. Now known by her married name Bernadette Ó hUiginn, she talked about how she had lived all over the world as the wife of a diplomat, and she had enjoyed a second career as a sculptor. She returned to RTÈ to talk Eurovision again in 2018, in a special called “Good Evening Europe agus anois…an Eurovision” which I’ve sadly not seen it’s not on RTÉ’s on-demand service.
Super efficent Eurovision. Superb Orchestra. Some brilliant songs. Voting system: No nonsense or mistakes. Bernadette never once lost her composure. Absolutely Superb Compare. The voice giving the commentary in another language was a nuisance. Can they not be edited out?
1971 is a lovely production by RTE. The venue is far too small, but they make it work on screen. The camera work is quite inventive considering they have only four in fixed positions. A story that went round the BBC at the time was that RTE had taken out insurance against having to host the ESC at some point in the late sixties. When 1971 rolled round they were able to not only host the contest but also invest in colour OB equipment courtesy of Lloyds of London! If true, I guess Lloyds didn’t fall for it a second (or seventh!) time. One thing I’ve been wondering is to what extent was the contest seen in colour in Ireland itself? I know only one of Northern Ireland’s three transmitters were in colour at this point. Does anyone know what the situation was ‘down south’?
The Gaiety Theatre was celebrating its 100th Birthday in 1971 and was of the few non sporting venues that RTE had experience broadcasting live programming from.
Well the RTÉ report, which I will post above (I forgot) says that colour adoption was at 1% in ROI, so I expect that's a very low number indeed. I noticed the report makes note that its being recorded in colour, hopefully they repeated it somewhere. I think they certainly left a lot of head room on the central camera shot...I debated putting the song titles up there. You can imagine the fandom if that happened in a Contest today!
@@muppet7680 Yes I've seen that statement put about a bit, I can't verify it as other reportage says that RTÉ were essentially caught out because they had to upgrade ahead of their planned schedule. Now this may well mean that they hired equipment, which costs a lot, but it also made it sound like they bought the equipment sooner. I thought it was easier to steer clear and say 'helped'! I expect someone will reply here and tell us about incontrovertible sources explaining what did or did not happen!
I was looking forward to seeing what you had envisioned for this voting. It's a great job and it shows quite better who is giving what. With this voting method, Spain was very lucky, being 2nd twice. I think it was much better than the awfully segmented one of 69, 68... Nevertheless, it would have been better it the juries were forced to give the same amount of points, not deciding that they didn't like many of the songs and giving aways "2" to everyone. They could have figured that out before the contest, you don't need to be a rocket sicentist.
This is one of my fav french songs, such a good winner. Severine looks so much older but that's what that hairdo does to a girl I guess!! Amazing energy!
Luxembourg's voting looks dirty. Unless they're *both* extremely critical and hard to please, it seems that like some overly competitive participants in "Come Dine With Me"', the Luxembourgers gave low marks across the board to improve their own position, and sprinkled some fours and a five to cover their tracks.
Here’s all the relevant bits from andtheconductoris.eu : www.andtheconductoris.eu IRE: After Dana’s victory, it was up to Ireland to organize the 1971 Eurovision Song Contest. RTÉs staff conductor Colman Pearce was given the honour of being the musical director of the contest, but Kelehan received the commission to compose the opening music and conducted the Irish entry, ‘One day love’ by Angela Farrell. “This first Eurovision Song Contest in Ireland was the most ambitious undertaking the Irish broadcasting service has ever had to cope with”, Kelehan recalls. “It was the first time RTÉ had ever undertaken a production on that scale, and in addition it was the first time they produced in colour. The whole thing would not have been possible without the vision of producer Tom McGrath. The Gaiety Theatre was a very small venue by today’s standards. There were only a few dressing rooms, so everyone had to arrive dressed for their performance. The stage was tiny and the presenter read her announcements from one of the balconies. It was a small theatre, nothing more! Venues such as the RDS and the Point Theatre, which were chosen to stage the contest in the 1980s and 1990s, were certainly more accessible logistically speaking.” www.andtheconductoris.eu NED: It turned out that 1971 was the last year when Dolf van der Linden was involved in the contest as a conductor. […] The song ended a very respectable sixth in a field of eighteen competitors, in spite of technical problems on the big night. Saskia recalls: “It turned out that my microphone had not been correctly adjusted, which resulted in a loud feedback. Because of this, the first lines which I sang could not be heard at all. We feel very honoured to have worked with the great Dolf van der Linden - no mistake about that - but we wish he had told the orchestra to do a restart of the song. That way, we would at least have attracted a lot of attention, with all of Europe watching.” www.andtheconductoris.eu AUT: Opratko has a very outspoken opinion about why Marianne Mendt failed to impress the European juries: “We went to Dublin with the wrong song, although I must admit I am not completely objective. There was an internal selection in Vienna to determine which song Marianne would perform. In the end, there were two songs, ‘Musik’ and ‘I hob di’. This second song was mine, with words by André Heller: a song with an instantly memorable chorus; moreover, it was rhythmically and harmonically more in line with what was in the charts in those days… something which would have fit in the Eurovision Song Contest excellently, if you ask me. But the jury in Vienna had another opinion. Johannes Fehring was in it and he said: ‘It is crystal-clear; ‘Musik’ is the song for us!’ By stating his opinion so bluntly, he strongly influenced the final outcome. And so we travelled to Dublin with ‘Musik’ and we finished near the bottom of the scoreboard once again. You will not hear me say anything negative about Schönherz’ composition, because it is a wonderful song with jazzy undertones… a good melody, harmonically very interesting. The arrangement was certainly good, but slightly pretentious… something which, to my mind, could be said of the song as a whole.” “However, being in Ireland was an unforgettable experience”, Opratko recalls. “What a beautiful country it is! It was the first time I went there and, unfortunately, I have never been back. I would have loved to have come back to do some more sightseeing. We did not have much opportunity to travel about due to all rehearsals. We were in a much smaller venue than the Royal Albert Hall three years before… a tiny theatre in the centre of Dublin. The orchestra was good and the Irish organisation was up to the task. Of course, I did not have any expectations of doing well in the voting, as I did not believe in our song. Moreover, I felt Austria was some sort of ‘nobody’. To put it exaggeratedly, we Austrians entered the building through the back door. We were not important and we never tried being important, being too modest to try to direct attention towards us. The Germans, for example, always made sure everyone knew they were there; they were more dominant. Although I cannot prove it, I have the impression Austria often did so badly in music competitions, because we were only little Austria. Luckily, in this case, being defeated in the Eurovision Song Contest has not harmed Marianne Mendt’s career in the long term. She continued recording albums and later had a wonderful career in theatre and on television.”
www.andtheconductoris.eu MON/FRA: In the first twenty-five odd years of the Eurovision Song Contest, the festival was an ideal means for France’s record business to plug their artists. Usually, France, Monaco and Luxembourg recruited their entry in an internal selection from songs submitted to them by Parisian record companies - and even some of Switzerland’s representatives were signed by French labels. In the case of Séverine (in real life: Josiane Grizeau), a twenty-two year old girl from Paris looking to make her breakthrough as a singer, she had a record deal with Philips - and for the 1971 Eurovision Song Contest in Dublin, some five or six songs recorded by her were submitted to Monaco’s broadcaster TMC, whilst at least one title, ‘Viens’, was brought to the attention of the Eurovision selection committee of ORTF, France’s public broadcasting organisation. In the end, Séverine was selected by Monaco to go to Eurovision with ‘Un banc, un arbre, une rue’ by Jean-Pierre Bourtayre and Yves Dessca, whilst she - along with the likes of Jean Ferrat and Guy Bonnet - was turned down by France’s TV in favour of Serge Lama, another, much more established Philips artist, with a song titled ‘Un jardin sur la terre’, signed by Alica Dona, Henri Djian and Jacques Demarny. As it turned out, both selected entries had an arrangement penned by Jean-Claude Petit - a coincidence, but not much more than that, as he was perhaps France’s single-most sought-after arranger in the early 1970s. For the international final of the Eurovision Song Contest, Jean-Claude Petit travelled to Dublin, but he didn’t get to conduct both of his arrangements: officially, he was a member of the Monegasque delegation only, as the ORTF resolutely hung onto ‘their’ regular conductor for the contest, Franck Pourcel. Contrary to some of his arranger colleagues who had to cede their place to Pourcel, Petit didn’t have any qualms about the situation: “No, not at all, for Franck was a friend. I was close to his daughter Françoise; she was married to Alain Boublil, a producer with whom I worked a lot back then. I had huge respect for Franck, who was a great conductor of French light entertainment of the generation preceding mine. In Dublin, we were together all the time… to be honest, at the outset I wasn’t even aware I was defending the colours of Monaco instead of France. In fact, I don’t remember anyone of Monaco’s broadcasting station being with us in Dublin, if there were any at all. I do remember Serge Lama being around, and Jean Claudric who was involved in the Luxembourg entry and some other people too… one big bunch of Frenchmen representing three different nations. We knew each other well and had a good time throughout the week, enjoying Irish hospitality and drinking whiskey and brown ale - in my case for the first time in my life.” After the voting procedure, Séverine was crowned the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest - Monaco’s first (and to date only-ever) victory in the festival - while Serge Lama had to settle for tenth place. Petit: “For Serge, it was a humiliation, even more so because he was beaten by Séverine, a young girl nobody knew. Honestly, I never believed he could win Eurovision - not with that song. In retrospect, he should have resisted the idea of taking part. He wasn’t happy in Dublin, and the result added insult to injury. For me, on the other hand, Dublin was a quite an event. Everybody in the business had seen me on television conducting the winning song… and it was my arrangement. Producers and record companies were eager to work with someone who could create a winning formula, commercially speaking; so it certainly didn’t harm my career - quite the opposite…” Jean-Claude’s sharpest memory of the 1971 contest, however, is of what happened once the contest was actually over. “After the broadcast, there was a reception to which all participants were invited. When we were ushered out of the theatre to go to the hall where the reception was due, there was a crowd throwing foul eggs and other waste at us. It was their way to protest against this banquet - a sumptuous ceremony, contrasting sharply with their own living conditions… and their feelings were completely understandable, of course. It was strange to find myself being on the receiving end in this situation, but it didn’t detract from the elation I or Séverine felt…” www.andtheconductoris.eu POR: In spite of his mildly positive judgement on the song and, on top of that, the fairly good score for ‘Menina’ in the international competition (obtaining 83 points and a ninth place in the voting), Jorge Costa Pinto does not really have the best of memories of the 1971 Eurovision Song Contest final, held in Dublin. “The arrangement of ‘Menina’ had been done by Augusto Algueró from Spain. Probably, Tonicha’s producer believed someone from Madrid would have a better idea of European listeners’ taste than a Portuguese arranger. After Tonicha won the selection in Portugal, her record company (Movieplay - BT) made a request to RTP to have me replaced as a conductor by Algueró. RTP, however, backed me and turned them down. However, I was aware of the fact that Tonicha and her entourage were unhappy about having to make do with me. In Dublin, they were quite disappointed about the number of votes they received. Looking for reasons as to why we hadn’t fared better, Tonicha’s husband, who was also her manager, accused me of having counted in the orchestra in a tempo that was too slow - slower than on the record version of ‘Menina’. He didn’t put it directly to me, but I heard from others that he had made these allegations. It was complete nonsense, but, apparently, it was the easiest way out for them. They didn’t want to blame the singer or the songwriters, so let’s have a go at the conductor instead! What can you do? That is life, I suppose.” www.andtheconductoris.eu SWE: Claes Rosendahl was instantly appreciated by the band. He did not create a fuss such as, for instance, the German conductor, but was polite and did some small talk with the musicians. (…) Arne Bendiksen, who composed the Norwegian entry, entered the theatre just when Family Four was rehearsing. ‘If there are any musicians at all in the jury, this song will do very well’, he said to journalists.” “That German conductor”, Rosendahl recalls forty years later, “was a terrible guy. He shouted to the orchestra, telling them they were useless. The musicians told me they had had a bad time with him and how unsympathetic he had been. […] The English delegation was extremely eager to take the trophy home. They had a song called ‘Jack in the box’ with singer Clodagh Rodgers. During all of the Eurovision week, they tried to give the impression to the press and the other participants that the only question left was who would come second behind them. It was a huge disappointment for them when they did not do as well as expected.” “The week in Dublin was most pleasant”, Rosendahl continues, “and we were taken good care of. The organizers invited us to different occasions. I will never forget a reception at the Guinness brewery: I had never seen so much liquor! There was this large room with a desk of perhaps twenty metres long with countless little glasses full of every imaginable sort of gin and whiskey. No, I did not allow myself to get drunk, as I felt that would have created an impossible situation. Moreover, I had my wife with me as a break!”
Wow! I never knew of this voting system, how delightfully random!! I think this is one of the most unknown Dutch songs for me.. I am interested in how it would've done without the technical hardships!
‘Ein chanson hat gewonnen’ said the commentator and I entirely agree. Monaco is my favourite with Italy, Netherlands and Spain getting a honourable mention. I would have loved either Clodagh Rodgers or Angela Farrell to carry on Northern Ireland’s recent run of success but it wasn’t to be. One Day Love is too old-fashioned (and poor Angela just a touch too nervous). Clodagh Rodgers is a terrific performer but she was saddled with a disappointing song that we feel we’ve already heard five times before - congratulations to your puppet in a box! From what I've looked up the UK and Irish press were convinced Clodagh Rodgers would win. There also seemed to be some buzz during rehearsals about Norway.
A tiny pedantic note... just prior to the final three countries voting, you have the countries listed in a caption by their cumulative scores, with all the countries that can't catch Monaco shaded out. Italy in fact should be one of those, yet you have them as still in contention, being -25 off the Monegasque total. Monaco had 101 and were guaranteed another 6 points minimally, so their nominal total was already 107. Italy had 76. Even with a potential 30 (the maximum score) to come, that would have only given Italy 106, so they could never have caught up even with the maximum score. Sorry. Seems so churlish to nitpick over such great work. Apologies.
No need to apologise, you delivered it politely! :-) One of the most important things I've learnt from this process is just giving in and realising it's very difficult to get everything I'm trying to achieve here right all the time. Those that glibbly think they can do better are more than welcome to do so, but I'd expect they'd also trip up somewhere. I'm also constantly falling for people pressuring quick posts, although to bet honest, I doubt I could have sustained any more time on this particular edition...I do run out of steam eventually. Of course, professionally, my code would pass through multiple people and be reviewed, I try and do that on my own and leave gaps between - but that just adds time. I'm also annoyed I didn't trust my instincts though, my immediate reaction on rewriting it was...hmmn, that was simple! The original function just focuses on the maximum possible points each country could receive on the remaining rounds available to them as compared to the leading country (which is suitable for every other year!)...of course, the big change this year is a minimum points! I've spent a lot of time writing about that lol! The general trend is correct anyway, it just some countries will be being dimmed slightly later than they should (tbh, it's not the only video in which that's the case!). I'll apply the fix to the 72 board. As I have been discussing on another thread, TH-cam is a finite beast...so not only would I have to re-do quite a few hours of recording and editing, but I'd also have to re- upload a fresh one, resetting my views to 0. Pedants all around will have to live this imperfection! Thanks for spotting it (worryingly quickly, too...you should have been doing the scores in Dublin!).
Here are my personal votes/rankings, i'am from the Netherlands 12 points: Monaco - Séverine - Un banc, un arbre, une rue 10 points: Spain - Karina - En un mundo nuevo 8 points: Switzerland - Peter, Sue & Marc - Les illusions de nos vingt ans 7 points: Germany - Katja Ebstein - Diese Welt 6 points: Belgium - Lily Castel & Jacques Raymond - Goeiemorgen, morgen 5 points: France - Serge Lama - Un jardin sur la terre 4 points: United Kingdom - Clodagh Rodgers - Jack in the box 3 points: Italy - Massimo Ranieri - L'amore è un attimo 2 points: Sweden - Family Four - Vita vidder 1 point : Norway - Hanne Krogh - Lykken er
LMAO; Did the Luxembourgian Jury actually liked any song? (43:00) 13/17 times they gave the lowest score to an entry; the highest score marked only 5 points to Portugal, which is in fact a 2/5 and a 3/5 score. I actually like this type of Jury voting the most out of all voting procedures in the Eurovision history, but these 2 screw the system over. I hope this kind of voting gets introduced again to determine the official Jury votes instead of having the 5 member just ranking the countries without any insight of their opinions on the entries.
Some Euro Geek stuff Austria nearly didn't enter and were a last minute addition to the line up. The draw was already made with Malta singing first and it was originally planned that Austria would just draw a number and fit in. Then it was suggested that as a 'punishment' to Austria for their late confirmation etc, they should be offered that they sing first or forget it. Malta's participation was part of a tourist drive for the Island and the Maltese government decided that the song had to be in Maltese to make them not sound like an British colony. The juries watched the programme on televisions in a pub across the road from the theatre then trotted over for the 'voting'. The voting though was actually done after each song had been performed and the votes taken away for tabulation. That's why the totals come so quickly. So the voting you see is actually a mock vote and the EBU already know who the winner is. It is not generally known that it is in the rules that the jury must watch the contest on TV to get the same experience as the viewer at home. This rule has been stretched and broken though a couple of times. The voice announcing the votes is Gay Byrne who hosted The Late Late Show for many years that included many a Eurovision Irish NF. One of the big problems with the two person juries, along with them at times being suspect in their voting as Luxembourg are here, is that there was no guidance beyond age who the jury members should be. Therefore many of the juries were made up of wives and sons and fathers and daughters and, in many many cases, lovers of the countries TV executives. This meant that the jury members rather than being impartial could easily be told where to place their votes. As all the jury members were present, the EBU did research after the contest to ask the juries why they voted as they did. On of the interesting replies was that many jury members said they would have marked Spain higher had it not been for the oompaa oompaa ending of the song. Therefore we could have been heading back to Madrid or to Barcelona. Lily Castel & Jacques Raymond were late replacements for Nicole & Hugo [who appear in the preview video] who couldn't take part as Nicole developed jaundice. Lily & Jacques barely knew the song and had to learn it in their hotel. Lily arrived without a dress to wear and various outfits were sourced from Dublin stores. She actually wore a different outfit in the dress rehearsal, something not allowed these days. In the Swedish National Final there were 5 heats each with the same three acts. Family Four, Tommy Körberg, & Sylvia Vrethammer. Family Four won every heat so sang all 5 songs in the Final. Sylvia Vrethammer would go on to have a major European hit with Viva España in 1974 under the name of ' Sylvia '.. There were presentations at the end to the second and third places performers who received a scroll. It was anticipated it would be an annual thing however both Karina and Katja Ebstein said they felt humiliated being trailed out in front of everyone so the idea was dropped. There's some very good rehearsal photos about plus one of the outside of the Gaiety with a scaffolding tower holding all the satellite dishes needed to send the contest to Europe and beyond. This was the first contest shown in the USA the next day and was also shown later in Iceland and Hong Kong. The street outside the Gaiety has now been pedestrianised and widened and the pub the juries voted in demolished. Severine said she was disappointed she was not invited to visit Monaco after her win. In fact she said she had zero contact from anyone from Monaco TV etc. This was the first contest where the Musical Director of the contest, Colman Pearce, didn't actually conduct any of the entries. The Irish entry was conducted by Noel Kelehan. The backing vocalists for Monaco were all 19. Un Banc, un arbe, une rue is actually a very clever song. The backing vocalists sing the opposite of Severine. Severine recorded the song in English, German and Italian but it was the original French version that hit the charts in various countries, including being a Top Ten hit in the UK where foreign language songs were rare hits. The Spanish entry was conducted by the great Waldo de los Rios who would have international fame in 1971 with his pop music interpretations of classical tunes. His Mozart 40 was a big hit throughout Europe. The EBU don't actually hold a complete copy of this contest in their vault. The EBU copy finishes before the winners reprise. My personal favourites are Yugoslavia [a great song but not a great performance on the night, watch the Preview], Austria and Sweden. From 1971 we have lost: Pierre Isacsson of Family Four - Sweden who drowned in the Estonia ferry sinking. Berndt Out of Family Four - Sweden and Krunoslav Slabinac - Yugoslavia
With this scoreboard, it´s also much more easier to see how biased some votes were, I mean the Maltese jury members giving the lowest mark of 2 for more than 5 countries, that is not authentic at all. And I guess you all know about the story that the older Maltese jury member tried to exchange a 5p for Norway if Hanne Krogh would follow him up on his hotel room.... And Luxembourg jury members giving THIRTEEN out of seventeen possible songs TWO points, come on seriously, you thought that more than 50% of the songs were pure crap, yeah right....
@@kaitlinbilous4605 Indeed, Spanish jury members giving both UK and Monaco 2p were of course tactical, they knew their songs were the biggest threat against their own entry. The same thing can bli applied to the rules today, each country should have at LEAST 10 members in their jury
@@Pawhlen It's fascinating to look at the feud between the UK and Spain that seems to last from 1967 to 1975. It's a period when both countries had their best results and yet so often they gave each other as few points as possible!
Thanks for asking! I really struggle though...I watch them so many times when editing that quite a few rub off on me and get stuck in my head. This year, I do think Monaco is probably the best performance and song. Switzerland, Spain, Sweden and Portugal round out my top 5...but I'm not sure in what order!
The ESC 1972 country names in Scottish Gaelic (in performance order): A' Ghearmailt An Fhraing Èirinn An Spàinn Rìoghachd Aonaichte Nirribhidh A' Phortagail An Eilbheis Malta An Fhionnlainn OR Suòmaidh An Ostair An Eadailt Iugoslabhia An t-Suain Monaco A' Bheilg Lugsamburg An Olaind
Ha ha! Well, I know my rules on this might be a bit wonky, but realistically, the BBC wouldn't have provided a board in Scots Gaelic, it has a very low fluency rate (about 32,000), in total around 65,000 know some of it. It's just not the same prospect as Irish.
@@kaitlinbilous4605 1973 would surely be French, as Luxembourg is a French speaking country. ESC 1984, which was the last ESC hosted by Luxembourg, had the scoreboard country names in French.
I’ve always wondered why RTÉ renamed Bunratty Castle as “Shannon Castle” for the 1971 contest. Sure, it might be easier for people from outside Ireland to pronounce, but I hope Ireland wasn’t full of European tourists in the summer of 1971 looking for a castle that didn’t exist. It is definitely Bunratty Castle seen at 30:20. 1971 wouldn’t be its only Eurovision appearance - Scott Fitzgerald was sent there for his postcard in 1988.
I don't suppose anyone knows the name of the song that the entertainers sing during Scott Fitzgerald's postcard? I've heard it occasionally but never caught the name.
@@aron1332though note that over the three years, the Spanish jurors would give the UK a grand total of *8 points of a possible 30* (the lowest available being 6). These are years they finished 4th, 2nd and 3rd.
A few other things I couldn’t fit in the description PART 1:
A big thank you again to those who’ve supported the channel on ko-fi/thereorderboard, including those repeat donations! If you follow me you can still see the updates on ko-fi, but I’m still grateful! You can also follow me on Twitter too @thereorderboard. Thank all those who helped with the Irish, which I’ve mentioned above and to @Dave King who provided some number crunching for me, much appreciated! I ran out of space in the main description once again (1971 is a busy year!) but here’s @mrjdsworld’s blog: euroscoreboards.wordpress.com/2021/07/20/dublin-1971/ It contains all the details of the ‘egg crate’ display that we see for the first time at Eurovision…don’t worry we go back to displaying numbers on a split flat display in 1972, and that older geared system in Luxembourg 73! Unfortunately we’re back to 720p, mainly because a lot of the footage from 71 that’s uploaded tops out at 480p.
This has been a mammoth edition, and there’s plenty of great detail from andtheconductoris.eu. I’ve cut some of it down below, but most notable, I think, was the closeness of Séverine and Jean-Claude Petit to the French delegation - so much so, that he didn’t see anything of anyone from TMC, the Monaco broadcaster. I think there’s two stories from the voting, one about how the songs are scored (the most important), but there’s also a story of how the juries performed…clearly Luxembourg had decided to be quite stingy! I’ve included some of the facts that I garnered from number crunching! It’s difficult to work out because of the change to Euros, but I think IE£250,000 works out at about €2.5m today…don’t quote me on that (the Irish Stats Office does have an inflation counter that goes back to Apr 1971, but I had to do an awkward conversion of IEP to EUR).
There’s a few interesting bits from the score data too. In total, 49% of the total possible votes were given out. In general, the older jurors gave out more points. Yes, Luxembourg were the toughest, giving just 25% of their possible points out (France gave out 63%), also, both jurors worked together to create a similar effect. The biggest difference between the ages was Italy, with the younger juror giving out 16 points less than the elder (Finland was similar at 12). Austria, Germany, Belgium, Sweden, Portugal and Norway’s younger jurors gave out more points than their elder counterparts. In terms of the song performances and building on the fact that older jurors gave out more points; the biggest difference was Diese Welt (Germany) which was preferred by older jurors by a difference of 8 points. Italy had the biggest difference in preference the other way, getting 9 points more from younger jurors. In fact it was one of only 2 songs (the other being Norway) that got more votes from younger voters.
Once again, the BBC had scored a good deal with Clodagh Rodgers, and she would appear on Cliff Richard’s show over 7 weeks to select the song to be sent to Dublin. Rodgers didn’t get her own show from the BBC though, and Jack-In-The-Box charted at number 4 - it would be her last Top 10 hit. Finishing fourth was quite a bad result for the UK at the time, even though she missed out on the top three by just 2 points. To be fair, the bar was incredibly high, with the UK only being out of the top two, 3 times since 1959! Recently Rodgers had said that the UK’s quick vaccine rollout, and Brexit would mean no one would vote for the UK anymore…the usual story! To my mind, Rodger’s song is the last of the slightly child-like [??] songs…and I’m not sure what word to use, almost onomatopoetic, plosive? Either way, I mean ‘PUP-Pet on a string’, ‘Con-GRAT-U-LAYshuns’, ‘Boom Bang-a-bang’, ‘Knock, Knock’. You know what I mean? The next UK entry would be far more mature in sound, to my mind.
Yes, my graphic does say the postcards appear to be about architecture, and then some show shots of boats, trains, planes, cliffs etc…I mean to say they don’t focus on ‘people’ or experience, or emotions like modern postcards.
I kept a graphic out of the Interval act as they appear to have changed their name, with wiki referring to the group as the Bunratty Castle Entertainers, and the show calling them Shannon Castle Entertainers…there would be comments either way.
Two new languages at the beginning with Viennese (ok it’s a dialect), and Maltese. Not sure why Malta didn’t use the advantage of singing English - I had to find a font that supported those characters!
Overall, a great selection of songs I think. A Yugoslav Tom Jones, Luxembourg is very entertaining, I like Austria’s entry even though I can see how it might irritate. The love songs appear to be a little more twisted and bitter these days! Special mention of Dolf Van Der Linden, who’d been in the Contest since the 1957 (not 63 and 69), it would be his last appearance at the Contest. Only Norway would have a lyric which says ‘happiness is herring in dill’! The most ear wormy during the 5 to 7 times I go through all the songs was Belgium’s, who due to illness had a late change of performer.
Since Malta are joining here, a very brief history of television in Malta: In 1957 television was introduced, although they were RAI broadcasts from nearby Sicily. In 1962, TVM, the main channel in Malta was launched by Public Broadcasting Services (PBS). Everything carried on until 1991 when the market was opened - interestingly though, not to private companies but to political parties. The Labour Party’s network ‘One’ remains the second most popular network today. With digitalisation there’s now more private choice, but many people receive the BBC and RAI via satellite. The launch of TVM in Malta was two years before Independence from the UK (which had acquired control of the islands from the French after giving Napoleon a thoroughly good thrashing in 1814). The Maltese people endured horrendous bombing during the Second World War (as it was close to Axis shipping lanes) and King George VI had awarded the islands the rare George Cross, which now appears on its flag. (Recently, the NHS in the UK achieved the same distinction, for its role in fighting the COVID pandemic.) After independence negotiations in 1964 (in which Malta attempted to join the UK), the Labour Party won elections the same year as the Dublin Contest, which set in train the transition to a republic within the Commonwealth. By 1979 a defence agreement with the UK expired, and the British military subsequently left the islands permanently for the first time since 1814. Malta joined the EU in 2004, and the Euro in 2008.
- Here’s a quick rundown of 1971 in history then: Although the exact date is unknown, the first email is sent in the US. In February, South Vietnam invades Laos, with the backing of the US of course. On February 15th, the UK and Ireland switch to decimal money, replacing a coinage system first implemented by Charlemagne in Western Europe a MILLENNIUM before. I find footage of pre-decimalisation fascinating - working out the smallest amount of coins required to buy two items in a shop is mind boggling! The UK was quite late to the party, with former British Dominions like Canada and Australia and South Africa doing so earlier in the 1960s, although this probably reflects the fact that Sterling is a major reserve currency - certainly the approach was different in Britain compared to those other countries, because of that fact. Sweden had decimalised in 1855, Spain in 1868, the Dutch in 1817 and Russia, the first (technically - some coins were split into 100s) in 1704 - so it wasn’t a new-fangled idea! In March a UK postal strike disrupts Cliff Richard’s Eurovision selection show, meaning regional juries are used instead. At the end of the month, the first Starbucks opens in Washington state. On April 17th, both the People’s Republic of Bangladesh is proclaimed (formerly East Pakistan), and Libya, Syria and Egypt start one of the few attempts at creating an Arab confederation. There’s further Vietnam protests throughout the year. In June, the UK begins negotiations on joining the EEC. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, with Gene Wilder (the good version of it) is released in cinemas. In July, the South Tower of the World Trade Center in New York is topped out. British troop numbers reach 11,000 in Northern Ireland. In August, a civilian government takes control in Greece. In October, Walt Disney World opens in Orlando, Greenpeace is found in Vancouver and in December Médicins Sans Frontières is founded too. In October, the UK Parliament votes 356-244 in favour of joining the EEC, and on Halloween, a bomb explodes on top of (Post Office) BT Tower in London. There’s also the usual smattering of plane crashes, and hijackings. I watched the film ‘71’ in preparation for this year, as it’s set in Northern Ireland - it’s on Netflix and I quite enjoyed it!
Luxembourg scoring 13 of the 17 countries with the minimal 2 points and giving no more than 5 (to Portugal) is peak Eurovision shade.
What HAPPENED Luxembourgs Jury.Are u Crazy?!😂😄😀😄
@@henrikasatryan3908They aren't even professional juries. They are normal people from Luxembourg who won a raffle.
i love how the Luxembourgish jury just hates every song and gives only 4 songs more than 2 points. and even then they only gave out 5 points at the highest
I thought I was the only one who’s showing it ! 😉
You know, giving all the countries the lowest points would increase your chance of winning
The postcard of Austria ends with a shot of Wiener Stadthalle, which would become a Eurovision venue not less than 44 years later, in 2015!
Thank you for this! One of my favourite contests with two of the best songs ever (Monaco + Italy). Great Scoreboard!
The young juror from Lux must be their equivalent to Craig Revel Horwood!
This is a work of art! I’ve been wondering how you would approach the voting for these early 70s contests and you’ve surpassed yourself! The whole screen is very dynamic. Thank you as always.
It’s nice to see boring old Helvetica gets it’s day in the sun too! Helvetica was very popular with UK and Irish TV channels at this time - the contemporary BBC 1 symbol, and the new colour logos for Thames, Yorkshire Television and Ulster Television all used Helvetica very proudly. (And talking of logos, that stripey RTE logo was their best ever).
Thank you so much, you handled in such a lovely way the very challenging 1971 scoreboard and you paid a wonderful homage to this exceptional edition of the contest.
Wonderful Irish feelings, lovely host, great songs - the winner is still, in my opinion, one of the best Eurovision songs ever - and that amazing ending theme, on the image of the Waterford crystal medal, that still moves after so many years:
PS: The odds are not very high at the moment, but Massimo Ranieri might represent Italy again in Eurovision 2022, after 41 years from this wonderful performance.
*51 years.
I almost forgot about the odd scoring system of 2 jurors giving high marks in this year and the next one. You really outdid your self on this one with the way you implemented the system into the reorder scoreboard.
Nice touches also on the history elements of this years contest as well. May have learned a bit lol.
Look forward to 72 now. Keep up the great work as always. Always enjoy these every time they come around
I'm glad you enjoyed...and learned! I'd hate for people to have too much fun watching these...learning is required lol
@@thereorderboard We all learn something new every day lol
You did an incredible job on that video, particularly with the way you visualised the votes as they were delivered on-screen. Brilliant stuff!
Thanks Chris!
Wow! Thanks for your great videos. I thought just watching all the ESCs was a pandemic project… and for me it was. As an American I got a late start as a Eurovision fan. Thank you!
Wow, you amazed me in the way you designed it! Well done! 👏👏👏👏👏👏
This was a great year, and great job on the scoreboard. I was wondering how you would incorporated all the numbers being thrown out from all the jurors and 3 countries voting at a time. Actually, having the scoreboard reorder with every vote made the voting more dynamic! It was such a strong year, one of my favorites, and RTE did a fantastic job hosting the contest considering their constraints and challenges. I think this is the first year that Terry Wogan gave commentary for the contest on BBC Radio (not sure if it was Radio 1 or 2). Monaco is a good winner, a bit old fashioned, but a deserving one. It's such a shame that Monaco didn't host the following year, and would never be able to afterwards. Although, to be honest, any of the top 5 would have been great winners.
Finally, I know opinions vary from person to person, but good god Luxembourg! If they were going to be stingy with the points they could have been less obvious. I know there were going to be juries giving a low amount a points, but when you have an almost 30 point difference between 2nd least generous (Spain) and themselves, you know something was up.
Once again great job and I can't wait for 1972 & 1973!
An exellent job dude, congratulations and greetings from Argentina.
Thanks for watching...all they over in Argentina! Amazing!
Wow, great job!!
The jury from Luxembourg didn’t like much. :)
Didn’t notice that before.
Wow! Has been wondering from the start how you would solve the scoreboard for these three years, and it is better than I could imagine. Great job!
I was wondering how you would treat this year (and by extension the next two). And that was better than I could have imagined.
I also wonder if anybody at the EBU thought a country would give so few points (as pointed out, Luxembourg only gave 43pts (compared to the 58pts that a jury or televote nowadays)). But then they didn't seem to think more than one country could win.
Excellent as always...the perfect video to watch on this stormy night in Ireland
Today is my sixth day in bed ill so I’ve been looking forward to this all day! Thank you!
I hope you feel better soon!
By some bizarre leg-bone-connected-to-the-etc. alchemy I just happen to have stumbled across this excellent re-packaging of what was a sort of re-launch of the Eurovision Song Contest - as you describe it, "The Song Contest 2.0" - the Winner of which is my all-time favourite, followed by an impressive duo of solo female artists making up the 'podium' in Karina and Katja Ebstein, our very own life-endangering absolutely gorgeous Clodagh Rodgers coming close behind. I also enjoyed the moment the UK Jury gave Markku Aro ja Koivistolaiset the full ten points as I love 'Tie uuteen päivään' in terms of ESC entries that did reasonably well, if not spectacularly.
On the 'Golden Anniversary' of this edition, 3rd April 2021, as I have a copy on vinyl of 'Un banc, un arbre, une rue', I made a recording of it and uploaded it to my channel in celebration, if you're interested in that. On a Finnish theme, as well as it being covered in Czech by Jana Matysová as 'Hloupí kluci' - I run the Blog dedicated to the female artists of a 'certain era' of the satellite nations of the former Soviet Bloc entitled 'Girls Of The Golden East' - it was also covered by a non-Soviet Bloc artist for whom I have quite a bit of time, Carola (Standertskjöld) as 'Penkki, puu ja puistotie'.
At the time when I was making all the Web discoveries leading to the aforementioned Blog around the middle of the last decade I thought it might be a good idea to look into the female scene in the then politically diametrically opposite Iberian Peninsula, being as I was dipping into the Soviet Bloc and it was quite a discovery that there was a feature film starring Karina entitled 'En un mundo nuevo' where she improves that second place to first. I also discovered the 'Killer-B' (Side) to her 'Regresarás' of 1969, 'El baúl de los recuerdos', which I just had to order. It's a superb orchestration by the great Waldo De Los Rios of a great tune by Tony Luz.
I'll conclude my remarks with a special compliment to your translation of the lyrics as they are sung and the material in Irish Gaelic, especially all the names of the participating countries. That's fantastic attention to detail!
Amazing presentation! Please do the same for 1972 & 1973, I AM SUPER EXCITED!
Good job on the new voting system! I like the combination of the actual footage and the graphics you have on the board.
As for 1971, I felt like it was quite anonymous to me. Sure, it was the RTE's first time hosting Eurovision and you mentioned a few struggles there, but I find both songs and production quite forgettable.
My top five:
5. YUG
4. PRT
3. ITA: I was x years old when I found out Massimo Ranieri competed twice in Eurovision, haha. That said, this was one of the strongest efforts this year, in that it's poetic and thoughtful in the lyrics. A bit what one would expect from Italy, but it still does it job and is a solid song.
2. MCO: Definitely a highlight from this year, especially the brashness of the composition. I also liked the guitar riff in the beginning. I've heard that "Un arbre, un banc, une rue" sounds like a graduation song, and I get it, though with a bit more sadness on leaving childhood behind. It's a bit sad, but I like it still.
1. NED: What stood out with Tijd was its medieval like atmosphere, with the folk instruments and the delicate ambiance. It's introspective yet pretty, both in terms of minimalistic elements and its lyrics. It's a nice little gem considering what the seventies would bring ahead.
Fantastic work. Thank you very much; I enjoyed everey minute.
I love that the songs have subtitles! You're doing god-tire work, mate.
This must have been a drag to complete... good job. This was needed
Belated thanks!! Including the RTÉ News footage is brilliant, thanks!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
amazing work, you slay like always 🤍
Thank you so much!!
thank you for posting this. i cant wait for the 1972 esc. the year i was born :D
The third watchers. I always support your wonderful reorder boards!
Very neat design! As always you manage to keep the spirit of that year yet make it super modern!
And yeah Ernst Grissemanns talking is a bit annoying, even for an austrian myself 😅
How lovely! Thank you once again!
So the Riverdance was not introduced through Eurovision in 1994, but in 1971 😊
I really think the actual 1971 scoreboard is RTÉ’s best scoreboard. Really excellent design and with the lights used for total score, it looks years ahead of the board from Amsterdam. But your interpretation is excellent, and it looks like you’ve sorted out how best to reflect the new voting system. I particularly like how the scores blink, like they did in the actual board. No idea how they thought that system would work, though they probably knew it would be very unlikely to create a tie at the end.
This is already in the blog, but I am genuinely curious why RTÉ archive footage from the night before the contest showed the scoreboard, but with “West Germany” on it, and why the last minute change.
I'm sure you'll have seen it in your research, but there's some photos online taken by an RTE member of staff during the dress rehearsal. It's not totally clear, but it looks as if there may have been a standby scoreboard in one of the theatre boxes (the same one where Serge Lama's lady friend was sitting during the French song!)
So I heard a story many years ago that someone at RTE wanted a film crew to go out and get B-roll of the Gaiety to use for Eurovision 1971. Somewhere along the line that got misinterpreted into RTE renting the Gaiety. So that's why the world's biggest musical contest was held in a tiny bandbox theatre that was barely big enough for a camera platform.
It was the 100th anniversary of the theatre in 1971. Also there was an interview on RTE where one of the producers was keen to use the Gaiety for this reason. You are right though. It's small. All the decent size venues in Dubljn had closed down. I think they should have used the Cork Opera House! :-)
Fantastic video and really clever scoreboard...Thanks .....and Happy Christmas 🎄 🎶
Happy Christmas to you too!
Outstanding work man. I have no words
Many many thanks
I really love this channel, thank u
Shameless and silly name dropping alert: I met Bernadette Ní Ghallchóir on a couple of occasions some years ago when her husband was Irish ambassador to Italy! She was very beautiful and somewhat regal in her bearing. I didn’t dare raise the subject of Eurovision with her(!)
You are quite right. She gave up her career in television when her husband took on a career as ambassador, but in recent years she is highly regarded as artist and patron of the arts in Ireland.
Always love a celebrity spot! Interesting to read!
I think the carriage driver in the opening film got lost. We see it leave St. Stephen’s Green via Fusiliers' Arch (4:59) in the late afternoon sunshine. In the next scene (5:07), it’s arriving at the Gaiety in total darkness. In reality, these two points are about 100 metres apart.
Grace O'Shaughnessy didn't seem to mind, even though she literally could have walked to the venue in less time than the videos length.
Thank you very much!!
I’ve seen that RTÉ archive clip a few times already, and every time I watch it that “Lovely, aren’t they?” comment makes me feel ill.
In the opening sequence, the young lady and gentleman emerge from no. 71 (for 1971, geddit) Merrion Square. The young lady in question is, I believe, Grace O'Shaughnessy, one of Ireland's foremost models of the time (I haven't a clue who the young gentleman is, nor the identity of the horse). The house in question belonged for many years to Miss Sybil Connolly. Miss Connolly (always Miss Connolly) was a famous designer whose dresses adorned Jacqueline Kennedy and Elizabeth Taylor, amongst others. I imagine that Miss O'Shaughnessy is probably wearing one of her creations in this clip.
Thanks for this
This is one of my favourite years (except for the voting system) but it is lamentable that we did not seem to have an appropriate venue for Eurovision in 1971 (Dublin had the Royal Theatre, which was hugely popular and profitable, but that was torn down in 1962 after the owners sold it to the Department of Health to build a monstrosity of a building called Hawkins House, which was recently torn down in turn).
My voting for 1971 is as follows:
An Riocht Aontaithe - pointe amhain
An Bheilg - dhá phointe
An Spáinn - trí phointe
An Ostair - ceithre phointe
An Fhoinnlain - cuig phointe
An Isiltir - sé phointe
An Iodáil - seacht bpointe
An Phortangéil - ocht bpointe
Monacó - deich bpointe (TOTALLY deserving winner and would have been my 12 points for many years but for reasons outlined above….)
agus ar deireadh...
AN GHEARMÁIN - DHÁ PHOINTE DHÉAG
Pierre Isacsson, (the one at the very left in the Swedish Family Four) was one of the passengers on Estonia when it sank in september 1994 :(
This ought to be your most ambitious Reorder project yet -- and what a marvellous job you've done with it! (A bit sad to see Serbo-Croatian Ćs and Čs gone again; it's more than made up, though, by the simplicity and the beauty of Helvetica used throughout the VI.)
Ah, sorry about that. I had 32 minutes living in a world where I had checked everything and everything was fine. It's damn annoying that's these fonts (and more importantly how the software interprets them) don't support seemingly basic-ish characters. Unfortunately to rectify it, I'd have to record the scoreboard again, so it'll have to just stay there forever. Will try better next time!
@@thereorderboard Oh no worries whatsoever! The 'fault' with the typefaces or apps not supporting this or that character map doesn't lie with you in the least (looks begrudgingly at Adobe). With your masterpiece scoreboards, you've made the past two years that more bearable and enjoyable. This time, you've turned an otherwise bland and monotonous voting procedure into a far more exciting one. I'm in absolute awe of your attention to detail -- down to the colour scheme and the presentation of individual jury member scores. Looking forward to your next outing, whenever that may be 🙂
The Presenter had recently moved to Switzerland with her husband on his first diplomatic posting and flew back to Dublin for the week to prepare, in an interview she said she was totally cut off from everything as she went from the hotel to the theatre and back and that’s all she did, saying if she’d known how much national pride was at stake it would have undone her completely.
Also the voice you hear calling out the votes is a guy called Gay Byrne, Gay was a huge personality in RTE, he was the host of his own TV talk show called The Late Late Show, he also hosted a few National Contests too.
Oh....thanks for clearing that up, I'd read somewhere that Irish viewers will know the voice...and I forgot to ask!
@@thereorderboard another fact was that all the colour TV cameras were on loan from the BBC as RTE did not have any at the time, that’s why this contest was RTEs first ever program broadcast in Colour.
@@waynemartin4881 So I didn't say that specifically in my description because I'd also read that RTÉ were forced to upgrade to colour earlier than they planned - which made me think they bought some of the stuff...maybe they loaned some equipment...it was just too ambiguous.
Thanks ! 👏👏👏
If you search TH-cam, you’ll find an episode of the RTÈ chat show “Lifelines” from 1995 which was a Eurovision special. All the past RTÈ contest presenters were there (though Fionnuala, who by then had made it big with CNN, only appeared in a taped message), including Bernadette, with whom the presenter has a brief chat. Now known by her married name Bernadette Ó hUiginn, she talked about how she had lived all over the world as the wife of a diplomat, and she had enjoyed a second career as a sculptor.
She returned to RTÈ to talk Eurovision again in 2018, in a special called “Good Evening Europe agus anois…an Eurovision” which I’ve sadly not seen it’s not on RTÉ’s on-demand service.
Haven't been able to find that show. It sounds quite interesting. Doesn't come up in a search :(
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Super efficent Eurovision. Superb Orchestra. Some brilliant songs. Voting system: No nonsense or mistakes. Bernadette never once lost her composure. Absolutely Superb Compare. The voice giving the commentary in another language was a nuisance. Can they not be edited out?
I love the designs
1971 is a lovely production by RTE. The venue is far too small, but they make it work on screen. The camera work is quite inventive considering they have only four in fixed positions.
A story that went round the BBC at the time was that RTE had taken out insurance against having to host the ESC at some point in the late sixties. When 1971 rolled round they were able to not only host the contest but also invest in colour OB equipment courtesy of Lloyds of London! If true, I guess Lloyds didn’t fall for it a second (or seventh!) time.
One thing I’ve been wondering is to what extent was the contest seen in colour in Ireland itself? I know only one of Northern Ireland’s three transmitters were in colour at this point. Does anyone know what the situation was ‘down south’?
The Gaiety Theatre was celebrating its 100th Birthday in 1971 and was of the few non sporting venues that RTE had experience broadcasting live programming from.
Well the RTÉ report, which I will post above (I forgot) says that colour adoption was at 1% in ROI, so I expect that's a very low number indeed. I noticed the report makes note that its being recorded in colour, hopefully they repeated it somewhere.
I think they certainly left a lot of head room on the central camera shot...I debated putting the song titles up there. You can imagine the fandom if that happened in a Contest today!
I always thought that BBC loaned RTÉ the colour equipment?
@@muppet7680 Yes I've seen that statement put about a bit, I can't verify it as other reportage says that RTÉ were essentially caught out because they had to upgrade ahead of their planned schedule. Now this may well mean that they hired equipment, which costs a lot, but it also made it sound like they bought the equipment sooner. I thought it was easier to steer clear and say 'helped'! I expect someone will reply here and tell us about incontrovertible sources explaining what did or did not happen!
I was looking forward to seeing what you had envisioned for this voting. It's a great job and it shows quite better who is giving what.
With this voting method, Spain was very lucky, being 2nd twice. I think it was much better than the awfully segmented one of 69, 68... Nevertheless, it would have been better it the juries were forced to give the same amount of points, not deciding that they didn't like many of the songs and giving aways "2" to everyone. They could have figured that out before the contest, you don't need to be a rocket sicentist.
This is one of my fav french songs, such a good winner. Severine looks so much older but that's what that hairdo does to a girl I guess!! Amazing energy!
54:15 nice to see 🇬🇧 United Kingdom gave as many points as they received!
Luxembourg's voting looks dirty.
Unless they're *both* extremely critical and hard to please, it seems that like some overly competitive participants in "Come Dine With Me"', the Luxembourgers gave low marks across the board to improve their own position, and sprinkled some fours and a five to cover their tracks.
Here’s all the relevant bits from andtheconductoris.eu :
www.andtheconductoris.eu IRE: After Dana’s victory, it was up to Ireland to organize the 1971 Eurovision Song Contest. RTÉs staff conductor Colman Pearce was given the honour of being the musical director of the contest, but Kelehan received the commission to compose the opening music and conducted the Irish entry, ‘One day love’ by Angela Farrell. “This first Eurovision Song Contest in Ireland was the most ambitious undertaking the Irish broadcasting service has ever had to cope with”, Kelehan recalls. “It was the first time RTÉ had ever undertaken a production on that scale, and in addition it was the first time they produced in colour. The whole thing would not have been possible without the vision of producer Tom McGrath. The Gaiety Theatre was a very small venue by today’s standards. There were only a few dressing rooms, so everyone had to arrive dressed for their performance. The stage was tiny and the presenter read her announcements from one of the balconies. It was a small theatre, nothing more! Venues such as the RDS and the Point Theatre, which were chosen to stage the contest in the 1980s and 1990s, were certainly more accessible logistically speaking.”
www.andtheconductoris.eu NED: It turned out that 1971 was the last year when Dolf van der Linden was involved in the contest as a conductor. […] The song ended a very respectable sixth in a field of eighteen competitors, in spite of technical problems on the big night. Saskia recalls: “It turned out that my microphone had not been correctly adjusted, which resulted in a loud feedback. Because of this, the first lines which I sang could not be heard at all. We feel very honoured to have worked with the great Dolf van der Linden - no mistake about that - but we wish he had told the orchestra to do a restart of the song. That way, we would at least have attracted a lot of attention, with all of Europe watching.”
www.andtheconductoris.eu AUT: Opratko has a very outspoken opinion about why Marianne Mendt failed to impress the European juries: “We went to Dublin with the wrong song, although I must admit I am not completely objective. There was an internal selection in Vienna to determine which song Marianne would perform. In the end, there were two songs, ‘Musik’ and ‘I hob di’. This second song was mine, with words by André Heller: a song with an instantly memorable chorus; moreover, it was rhythmically and harmonically more in line with what was in the charts in those days… something which would have fit in the Eurovision Song Contest excellently, if you ask me. But the jury in Vienna had another opinion. Johannes Fehring was in it and he said: ‘It is crystal-clear; ‘Musik’ is the song for us!’ By stating his opinion so bluntly, he strongly influenced the final outcome. And so we travelled to Dublin with ‘Musik’ and we finished near the bottom of the scoreboard once again. You will not hear me say anything negative about Schönherz’ composition, because it is a wonderful song with jazzy undertones… a good melody, harmonically very interesting. The arrangement was certainly good, but slightly pretentious… something which, to my mind, could be said of the song as a whole.”
“However, being in Ireland was an unforgettable experience”, Opratko recalls. “What a beautiful country it is! It was the first time I went there and, unfortunately, I have never been back. I would have loved to have come back to do some more sightseeing. We did not have much opportunity to travel about due to all rehearsals. We were in a much smaller venue than the Royal Albert Hall three years before… a tiny theatre in the centre of Dublin. The orchestra was good and the Irish organisation was up to the task. Of course, I did not have any expectations of doing well in the voting, as I did not believe in our song. Moreover, I felt Austria was some sort of ‘nobody’. To put it exaggeratedly, we Austrians entered the building through the back door. We were not important and we never tried being important, being too modest to try to direct attention towards us. The Germans, for example, always made sure everyone knew they were there; they were more dominant. Although I cannot prove it, I have the impression Austria often did so badly in music competitions, because we were only little Austria. Luckily, in this case, being defeated in the Eurovision Song Contest has not harmed Marianne Mendt’s career in the long term. She continued recording albums and later had a wonderful career in theatre and on television.”
www.andtheconductoris.eu MON/FRA: In the first twenty-five odd years of the Eurovision Song Contest, the festival was an ideal means for France’s record business to plug their artists. Usually, France, Monaco and Luxembourg recruited their entry in an internal selection from songs submitted to them by Parisian record companies - and even some of Switzerland’s representatives were signed by French labels. In the case of Séverine (in real life: Josiane Grizeau), a twenty-two year old girl from Paris looking to make her breakthrough as a singer, she had a record deal with Philips - and for the 1971 Eurovision Song Contest in Dublin, some five or six songs recorded by her were submitted to Monaco’s broadcaster TMC, whilst at least one title, ‘Viens’, was brought to the attention of the Eurovision selection committee of ORTF, France’s public broadcasting organisation.
In the end, Séverine was selected by Monaco to go to Eurovision with ‘Un banc, un arbre, une rue’ by Jean-Pierre Bourtayre and Yves Dessca, whilst she - along with the likes of Jean Ferrat and Guy Bonnet - was turned down by France’s TV in favour of Serge Lama, another, much more established Philips artist, with a song titled ‘Un jardin sur la terre’, signed by Alica Dona, Henri Djian and Jacques Demarny. As it turned out, both selected entries had an arrangement penned by Jean-Claude Petit - a coincidence, but not much more than that, as he was perhaps France’s single-most sought-after arranger in the early 1970s.
For the international final of the Eurovision Song Contest, Jean-Claude Petit travelled to Dublin, but he didn’t get to conduct both of his arrangements: officially, he was a member of the Monegasque delegation only, as the ORTF resolutely hung onto ‘their’ regular conductor for the contest, Franck Pourcel. Contrary to some of his arranger colleagues who had to cede their place to Pourcel, Petit didn’t have any qualms about the situation:
“No, not at all, for Franck was a friend. I was close to his daughter Françoise; she was married to Alain Boublil, a producer with whom I worked a lot back then. I had huge respect for Franck, who was a great conductor of French light entertainment of the generation preceding mine. In Dublin, we were together all the time… to be honest, at the outset I wasn’t even aware I was defending the colours of Monaco instead of France. In fact, I don’t remember anyone of Monaco’s broadcasting station being with us in Dublin, if there were any at all. I do remember Serge Lama being around, and Jean Claudric who was involved in the Luxembourg entry and some other people too… one big bunch of Frenchmen representing three different nations. We knew each other well and had a good time throughout the week, enjoying Irish hospitality and drinking whiskey and brown ale - in my case for the first time in my life.”
After the voting procedure, Séverine was crowned the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest - Monaco’s first (and to date only-ever) victory in the festival - while Serge Lama had to settle for tenth place. Petit: “For Serge, it was a humiliation, even more so because he was beaten by Séverine, a young girl nobody knew. Honestly, I never believed he could win Eurovision - not with that song. In retrospect, he should have resisted the idea of taking part. He wasn’t happy in Dublin, and the result added insult to injury. For me, on the other hand, Dublin was a quite an event. Everybody in the business had seen me on television conducting the winning song… and it was my arrangement. Producers and record companies were eager to work with someone who could create a winning formula, commercially speaking; so it certainly didn’t harm my career - quite the opposite…”
Jean-Claude’s sharpest memory of the 1971 contest, however, is of what happened once the contest was actually over. “After the broadcast, there was a reception to which all participants were invited. When we were ushered out of the theatre to go to the hall where the reception was due, there was a crowd throwing foul eggs and other waste at us. It was their way to protest against this banquet - a sumptuous ceremony, contrasting sharply with their own living conditions… and their feelings were completely understandable, of course. It was strange to find myself being on the receiving end in this situation, but it didn’t detract from the elation I or Séverine felt…”
www.andtheconductoris.eu POR: In spite of his mildly positive judgement on the song and, on top of that, the fairly good score for ‘Menina’ in the international competition (obtaining 83 points and a ninth place in the voting), Jorge Costa Pinto does not really have the best of memories of the 1971 Eurovision Song Contest final, held in Dublin. “The arrangement of ‘Menina’ had been done by Augusto Algueró from Spain. Probably, Tonicha’s producer believed someone from Madrid would have a better idea of European listeners’ taste than a Portuguese arranger. After Tonicha won the selection in Portugal, her record company (Movieplay - BT) made a request to RTP to have me replaced as a conductor by Algueró. RTP, however, backed me and turned them down. However, I was aware of the fact that Tonicha and her entourage were unhappy about having to make do with me. In Dublin, they were quite disappointed about the number of votes they received. Looking for reasons as to why we hadn’t fared better, Tonicha’s husband, who was also her manager, accused me of having counted in the orchestra in a tempo that was too slow - slower than on the record version of ‘Menina’. He didn’t put it directly to me, but I heard from others that he had made these allegations. It was complete nonsense, but, apparently, it was the easiest way out for them. They didn’t want to blame the singer or the songwriters, so let’s have a go at the conductor instead! What can you do? That is life, I suppose.”
www.andtheconductoris.eu SWE: Claes Rosendahl was instantly appreciated by the band. He did not create a fuss such as, for instance, the German conductor, but was polite and did some small talk with the musicians. (…) Arne Bendiksen, who composed the Norwegian entry, entered the theatre just when Family Four was rehearsing. ‘If there are any musicians at all in the jury, this song will do very well’, he said to journalists.”
“That German conductor”, Rosendahl recalls forty years later, “was a terrible guy. He shouted to the orchestra, telling them they were useless. The musicians told me they had had a bad time with him and how unsympathetic he had been. […] The English delegation was extremely eager to take the trophy home. They had a song called ‘Jack in the box’ with singer Clodagh Rodgers. During all of the Eurovision week, they tried to give the impression to the press and the other participants that the only question left was who would come second behind them. It was a huge disappointment for them when they did not do as well as expected.”
“The week in Dublin was most pleasant”, Rosendahl continues, “and we were taken good care of. The organizers invited us to different occasions. I will never forget a reception at the Guinness brewery: I had never seen so much liquor! There was this large room with a desk of perhaps twenty metres long with countless little glasses full of every imaginable sort of gin and whiskey. No, I did not allow myself to get drunk, as I felt that would have created an impossible situation. Moreover, I had my wife with me as a break!”
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That other austrian song.
Wow! I never knew of this voting system, how delightfully random!! I think this is one of the most unknown Dutch songs for me.. I am interested in how it would've done without the technical hardships!
‘Ein chanson hat gewonnen’ said the commentator and I entirely agree. Monaco is my favourite with Italy, Netherlands and Spain getting a honourable mention.
I would have loved either Clodagh Rodgers or Angela Farrell to carry on Northern Ireland’s recent run of success but it wasn’t to be. One Day Love is too old-fashioned (and poor Angela just a touch too nervous). Clodagh Rodgers is a terrific performer but she was saddled with a disappointing song that we feel we’ve already heard five times before - congratulations to your puppet in a box!
From what I've looked up the UK and Irish press were convinced Clodagh Rodgers would win. There also seemed to be some buzz during rehearsals about Norway.
3:05 RTÉ went on to use this Te Deum arrangement later in the 1981, 1988 and 1993 contests.
I think it's my favourite Te Deum (with the bouncy 1982 Harrogate version second!)
Nice!
52:25 a rare case where 🇫🇮 Finland give a low score to 🇮🇹 Italy.
Agreed !
The Spanish jurors are hilarious: 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1... Franco's orders, I expect.
A tiny pedantic note... just prior to the final three countries voting, you have the countries listed in a caption by their cumulative scores, with all the countries that can't catch Monaco shaded out. Italy in fact should be one of those, yet you have them as still in contention, being -25 off the Monegasque total. Monaco had 101 and were guaranteed another 6 points minimally, so their nominal total was already 107. Italy had 76. Even with a potential 30 (the maximum score) to come, that would have only given Italy 106, so they could never have caught up even with the maximum score. Sorry. Seems so churlish to nitpick over such great work. Apologies.
No need to apologise, you delivered it politely! :-) One of the most important things I've learnt from this process is just giving in and realising it's very difficult to get everything I'm trying to achieve here right all the time. Those that glibbly think they can do better are more than welcome to do so, but I'd expect they'd also trip up somewhere. I'm also constantly falling for people pressuring quick posts, although to bet honest, I doubt I could have sustained any more time on this particular edition...I do run out of steam eventually. Of course, professionally, my code would pass through multiple people and be reviewed, I try and do that on my own and leave gaps between - but that just adds time. I'm also annoyed I didn't trust my instincts though, my immediate reaction on rewriting it was...hmmn, that was simple! The original function just focuses on the maximum possible points each country could receive on the remaining rounds available to them as compared to the leading country (which is suitable for every other year!)...of course, the big change this year is a minimum points! I've spent a lot of time writing about that lol! The general trend is correct anyway, it just some countries will be being dimmed slightly later than they should (tbh, it's not the only video in which that's the case!). I'll apply the fix to the 72 board. As I have been discussing on another thread, TH-cam is a finite beast...so not only would I have to re-do quite a few hours of recording and editing, but I'd also have to re- upload a fresh one, resetting my views to 0. Pedants all around will have to live this imperfection! Thanks for spotting it (worryingly quickly, too...you should have been doing the scores in Dublin!).
Here are my personal votes/rankings, i'am from the Netherlands
12 points: Monaco - Séverine - Un banc, un arbre, une rue
10 points: Spain - Karina - En un mundo nuevo
8 points: Switzerland - Peter, Sue & Marc - Les illusions de nos vingt ans
7 points: Germany - Katja Ebstein - Diese Welt
6 points: Belgium - Lily Castel & Jacques Raymond - Goeiemorgen, morgen
5 points: France - Serge Lama - Un jardin sur la terre
4 points: United Kingdom - Clodagh Rodgers - Jack in the box
3 points: Italy - Massimo Ranieri - L'amore è un attimo
2 points: Sweden - Family Four - Vita vidder
1 point : Norway - Hanne Krogh - Lykken er
LMAO; Did the Luxembourgian Jury actually liked any song? (43:00)
13/17 times they gave the lowest score to an entry; the highest score marked only 5 points to Portugal, which is in fact a 2/5 and a 3/5 score.
I actually like this type of Jury voting the most out of all voting procedures in the Eurovision history, but these 2 screw the system over.
I hope this kind of voting gets introduced again to determine the official Jury votes instead of having the 5 member just ranking the countries without any insight of their opinions on the entries.
Please make score board of 2003 Eurovision song contest
Some Euro Geek stuff
Austria nearly didn't enter and were a last minute addition to the line up. The draw was already made with Malta singing first and it was originally planned that Austria would just draw a number and fit in. Then it was suggested that as a 'punishment' to Austria for their late confirmation etc, they should be offered that they sing first or forget it.
Malta's participation was part of a tourist drive for the Island and the Maltese government decided that the song had to be in Maltese to make them not sound like an British colony.
The juries watched the programme on televisions in a pub across the road from the theatre then trotted over for the 'voting'. The voting though was actually done after each song had been performed and the votes taken away for tabulation. That's why the totals come so quickly. So the voting you see is actually a mock vote and the EBU already know who the winner is. It is not generally known that it is in the rules that the jury must watch the contest on TV to get the same experience as the viewer at home. This rule has been stretched and broken though a couple of times.
The voice announcing the votes is Gay Byrne who hosted The Late Late Show for many years that included many a Eurovision Irish NF.
One of the big problems with the two person juries, along with them at times being suspect in their voting as Luxembourg are here, is that there was no guidance beyond age who the jury members should be. Therefore many of the juries were made up of wives and sons and fathers and daughters and, in many many cases, lovers of the countries TV executives. This meant that the jury members rather than being impartial could easily be told where to place their votes.
As all the jury members were present, the EBU did research after the contest to ask the juries why they voted as they did. On of the interesting replies was that many jury members said they would have marked Spain higher had it not been for the oompaa oompaa ending of the song. Therefore we could have been heading back to Madrid or to Barcelona.
Lily Castel & Jacques Raymond were late replacements for Nicole & Hugo [who appear in the preview video] who couldn't take part as Nicole developed jaundice. Lily & Jacques barely knew the song and had to learn it in their hotel. Lily arrived without a dress to wear and various outfits were sourced from Dublin stores. She actually wore a different outfit in the dress rehearsal, something not allowed these days.
In the Swedish National Final there were 5 heats each with the same three acts. Family Four, Tommy Körberg, & Sylvia Vrethammer. Family Four won every heat so sang all 5 songs in the Final. Sylvia Vrethammer would go on to have a major European hit with Viva España in 1974 under the name of ' Sylvia '..
There were presentations at the end to the second and third places performers who received a scroll. It was anticipated it would be an annual thing however both Karina and Katja Ebstein said they felt humiliated being trailed out in front of everyone so the idea was dropped.
There's some very good rehearsal photos about plus one of the outside of the Gaiety with a scaffolding tower holding all the satellite dishes needed to send the contest to Europe and beyond. This was the first contest shown in the USA the next day and was also shown later in Iceland and Hong Kong. The street outside the Gaiety has now been pedestrianised and widened and the pub the juries voted in demolished.
Severine said she was disappointed she was not invited to visit Monaco after her win. In fact she said she had zero contact from anyone from Monaco TV etc.
This was the first contest where the Musical Director of the contest, Colman Pearce, didn't actually conduct any of the entries. The Irish entry was conducted by Noel Kelehan.
The backing vocalists for Monaco were all 19. Un Banc, un arbe, une rue is actually a very clever song. The backing vocalists sing the opposite of Severine. Severine recorded the song in English, German and Italian but it was the original French version that hit the charts in various countries, including being a Top Ten hit in the UK where foreign language songs were rare hits.
The Spanish entry was conducted by the great Waldo de los Rios who would have international fame in 1971 with his pop music interpretations of classical tunes. His Mozart 40 was a big hit throughout Europe.
The EBU don't actually hold a complete copy of this contest in their vault. The EBU copy finishes before the winners reprise.
My personal favourites are Yugoslavia [a great song but not a great performance on the night, watch the Preview], Austria and Sweden.
From 1971 we have lost: Pierre Isacsson of Family Four - Sweden who drowned in the Estonia ferry sinking. Berndt Out of Family Four - Sweden and Krunoslav Slabinac - Yugoslavia
España sigue en su epoca dorada que terminó en el año 74. 6 años de pura gloria
Damn this system was hella exploitable even though I like it in theory
Thank you for this. When is 1972 due?
I'm not sure yet, it depends how much of a Christmas we get in the UK. I expect it might be after Christmas unfortunately.
How can I do the same voting system?
With this scoreboard, it´s also much more easier to see how biased some votes were, I mean the Maltese jury members giving the lowest mark of 2 for more than 5 countries, that is not authentic at all.
And I guess you all know about the story that the older Maltese jury member tried to exchange a 5p for Norway if Hanne Krogh would follow him up on his hotel room....
And Luxembourg jury members giving THIRTEEN out of seventeen possible songs TWO points, come on seriously, you thought that more than 50% of the songs were pure crap, yeah right....
Some more tactical votes as well.
@@kaitlinbilous4605 Indeed, Spanish jury members giving both UK and Monaco 2p were of course tactical, they knew their songs were the biggest threat against their own entry. The same thing can bli applied to the rules today, each country should have at LEAST 10 members in their jury
@@Pawhlen It's fascinating to look at the feud between the UK and Spain that seems to last from 1967 to 1975. It's a period when both countries had their best results and yet so often they gave each other as few points as possible!
Who was the two members of the Luxembourg jury? Austrias 1972 entry was juror in 1971.
@@Pawhlen They would do the same again in Edinburgh, giving 2/10 to Luxembourg and United Kingdom
wtf is wrong with the jurors from Luxembourg ? the best grade they gave was a 5/10 ?? why?
1:00:27 Monte Carlo? How about Edinburgh? xD
Interesting how Luxembourg just gave two points to everyone
thereorderboard : Eurovision what was your favourite song this year
Thanks for asking! I really struggle though...I watch them so many times when editing that quite a few rub off on me and get stuck in my head. This year, I do think Monaco is probably the best performance and song. Switzerland, Spain, Sweden and Portugal round out my top 5...but I'm not sure in what order!
Have you dulled the colours on the flags here our of interest (as per the BandW era)?
Good spot, yes I have, it helps them fit better into the general colour palate that way.
No cameo from the “manic clapping woman?” 😂
I really want a hairdo like the under-25 Irish jury member.
First time both Katja Epstein and Peter Sue and Mark gave it a go???
¡¡ viva españa ¡¡¡ fuimos los 2º este año con karina
When 1972 much work?
Will your 1972 board include text in Scots Gaelic?
Just to give all 3 a language change.
The ESC 1972 country names in Scottish Gaelic (in performance order):
A' Ghearmailt
An Fhraing
Èirinn
An Spàinn
Rìoghachd Aonaichte
Nirribhidh
A' Phortagail
An Eilbheis
Malta
An Fhionnlainn OR Suòmaidh
An Ostair
An Eadailt
Iugoslabhia
An t-Suain
Monaco
A' Bheilg
Lugsamburg
An Olaind
Then for 73 we're practically covered. Just Israel needs translating
Ha ha! Well, I know my rules on this might be a bit wonky, but realistically, the BBC wouldn't have provided a board in Scots Gaelic, it has a very low fluency rate (about 32,000), in total around 65,000 know some of it. It's just not the same prospect as Irish.
@@kaitlinbilous4605 1973 would surely be French, as Luxembourg is a French speaking country. ESC 1984, which was the last ESC hosted by Luxembourg, had the scoreboard country names in French.
to the speaker it not england it is the uk
The Jury of Luxembourg kinda cheated... the gave bottom scores to almost every country
39:58
I’ve always wondered why RTÉ renamed Bunratty Castle as “Shannon Castle” for the 1971 contest. Sure, it might be easier for people from outside Ireland to pronounce, but I hope Ireland wasn’t full of European tourists in the summer of 1971 looking for a castle that didn’t exist. It is definitely Bunratty Castle seen at 30:20. 1971 wouldn’t be its only Eurovision appearance - Scott Fitzgerald was sent there for his postcard in 1988.
I don't suppose anyone knows the name of the song that the entertainers sing during Scott Fitzgerald's postcard? I've heard it occasionally but never caught the name.
And Tony Cetinski of Croatia was in the Gaiety Theatre in his postcard in 1994!
@@Starfilter1 I believe it's Tabhair dom do lamh (Give me your hand).
@@nautilusshell4969 Thank you very much, I appreciate that!
Damn the Luxemburg jury was stingy, 13 minimum scores, and no more than 5/10 as their best score
The spanish jury was terrible voting..😅
Spain gave to Monaco and UK only 2 points - this was such a fraud system
The Luxembourg voting was far worse.
@@aron1332though note that over the three years, the Spanish jurors would give the UK a grand total of *8 points of a possible 30* (the lowest available being 6). These are years they finished 4th, 2nd and 3rd.
Was the Luxembourg entry written by a toddler? It’s got to be one of the worst Eurovision entries ever!
I didn't dislike the Maltese song at all lol
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