The Problem With GD Game Remakes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ม.ค. 2024
- We need to talk about these Geometry Dash 2.2 levels.
While you may be impressed by levels that remake games like Mario Kart, Terraria, or Five Nights at Freddy’s in GD, the trend of remaking outside games in Geometry Dash has many problems with it, could lead to major legal issues for creators and RobTop, and might leave the game’s community forever changed. This video uncovers why this is an issue and what you can do about it yourself.
Please keep in mind that these are strictly my own opinions, and be respectful when discussing the levels and creators in this video.
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The funny thing is how simple the solution to this is - don't associate the level with existing IP. Theres nothing wrong with recreating games as far as mechanics go, infact thats the most impressive part of these types of levels and are usually not controlled legally. These recreations dont need to be 1 to 1 recreations to succeed. Like the mario kart level could have been given its own unique theme and graphics and been an original karting level, then there would be no problems. Same with fnaf, if the guy made his own assets (and characters/setting for that matter) instead of ripping straight from a preexisting game, it would be far more impressive and no longer a legal minefield. But they just can't resist the extra attention that they'll get by associating their level with a big IP, and it ultimately makes things worse for everyone.
So...
Basically knockoff google play store versions of the original games.
But they aren’t getting profit, only attention. And RopTob isn’t going to rate night plus II. So it will most likely die out due to the amount of amazing levels that will be releasing
Christ sake, screenshotting this comment to my "funny comments" folder
most dogass take i've ever seen
@@GPotatoGD and this one is going into my "confidently incorrect" folder
thankfully, nintendo is known to be very lenient with fangames
LMAO
funniest joke 💀
Bro I thought you were being serious 😭
stop confusing sega with nintendo
Pokemon uranium enter in the chat
i dont think you can just tell people to not remake a game in geometry dash.. the (in my opinion) point of making these levels is trying to push the boundaries of making levels, or atleast going into that direction.. the creativity comes from trying to translate the game's mechanics into geometry dash triggers (im pretty sure theres still a big difficulty in managing to get that work). popularity is also a common motivation for some creators to try and make the best things possible
ignoring the legal stuff, something like the fnaf remake, terraria etc. is actually really cool, even if it didnt take too much effort to build. i still find it insane how people did that in just 2 weeks
It is perfectly possible to push the boundaries of making levels by making your own original minigame in GD; Serponge and Spu7nix are two examples of that.
@@GDCreatorSchool I never really meant that *only* game remakes can push the boundaries, every type of level can. I'm just saying that remakes of the game can do it just as well as own original games can. Of course, original games are cool as heck and i love playing/watching them, and are way more impressive if done right, but i don't think game remakes should be downplayed just because they lack creativeness in game design
Should a level that copies a preexisting game in every way get the same attention as a fully original level?
@@GDCreatorSchool It depends on what the game remaked is. Let's say, hypothetically, a DOOM remake was made in geometry dash which uses very complex trigger setups, techniques, algorithms and whatnot, which havent been present in any original levels before. Of course, that level does deserve attention, as these new algorithms etc. are open-sourced and everyone can take a look at these and use them, therefore also opening up the abilities for new original games to come out on geometry dash
@@GDCreatorSchool If it's just a normal game remake without anything notable in it, well, then it shouldn't get that much attention than an entire original game that doesnt use anything new. Still, finishing a game remake in geometry dash helps people improve at minigames alot and will probably end up most of the time with the creator making their own minigames in the future
Not quite sure I understand why game remakes are being regarded as plagarism in 2:32. Plagarism means to take somebody's ideas and passing them off as one's own, but remakes in *any* medium are.. you know, remakes! Nobody is really thinking that "Night Plus II" was YaYmsc's original idea, I don't think.
Good point, the phrasing there can be a bit contentious depending on how you view it. I see the idea of completely remaking a game in GD as plagiarism because nothing original is added to the concept; even if you credit the original it is still a bad thing. You would still get in trouble in school if you copy-pasted an entire essay from an online article, even if you gave credit to the original author.
@@GDCreatorSchool Right, but I don't think that comparison works for videogames -- especially ones with an editor. The fact that it's made in a (even still relatively) much more primitive engine is the main focus point. Much like a CPU that runs Minecraft in Minecraft, a Linux emulator in Scratch, or a calculator in Mario Maker.
I absolutely agree that Night Plus II seems much more complicated than it really is, but you can't say that because that's true for one remake level, that it's true for *every* remake level (fallacy of composition to anyone curious out there :P). By assuming that, you dismiss any high-quality remake of much more complicated games -- 3d games like Minecraft, an inevitable remake of doom, or even remakes of games with different physics and mechanics like Celeste, basically any example that's more complicated than a handful of remade sprites, backgrounds, and a simple algorithm. Also, you absolutely have to come up with ideas to implement systems in remakes, etc etc but I want to have a real and good conversation so I'm not going to bore you :)
I never said that Night Plus II being less complicated extends to all other game recreations - in fact I mention two other recreations in the video which require far more effort than it! I also mentioned that technically impressive work is why I like older remakes as well. I’m not fully anti-game-remake or anything, if you watch the video.
As someone who has made game remakes in the past (not in geometry dash) i can confirm that while the end product is realy cool it feels way better to add mechanics of your own to these games, take inspiration or even just make your own game. Game remakes will probably get copyrighted soon and robtop is gonna have to crack down on this. thats the unfortinute world of copyright we live in
Unfortunate
This is why I'm creating my own tangible ideas instead of copying games
same
Same here, I think RobTop should have publicly clarified that making projects based on an already existing IP not belonging to the game should be prohibited
i'm doing both
@@DeivaxGDYeah, he should put that warning when entering level editing ASAP
@@DeivaxGD There are plenty of levels recreating ips in the game, and also RobTop cant be held responsible for everything his community makes since theres too much. As long as he doesnt rate these levels and takes them down if the ip owners request so, it should be fine. I guess we'll have to wait and see what RobTop does with these levels if any of the copyright owners come after him.
I think the reason game remakes are getting so much attention still is because the 2.1 stigma of them is still around. I think give it some time and people will eventually get bored of them as more and more release.
this is a pretty terrible take this isnt a slap in the face for the creative procces these remakes are all fueled by passion and just becasue you like sitting in your high horse that you only make fully original content doesnt mean you get to shit on people who put miles of efort into these levels please get of your "im moraly perfect" high and realise these projects have love put into them
morally*
Give me 5 days image to gd and motivation its not really that hard to create fnaf plus on gd well without itg ofc
2.2 isn't even out for a month and ppl are already complaining. just give the update time
Yeah so true
you didn't even watch the video 😭
You know the creator is speedrunning “how fast can the Nintendo ninjas find me” when they made a Nintendo game in gd 💀
night plus 2 is really funny because no one in the gd community realizes its a recreation of a recreation of a cancelled remake of the original
Who the fuck cares its cool regardless. People can make what they want.
To be honest, it’s not like these people are profiting off of these recreations, and the controls and visuals in these recreations are usually a lot worse than the actual games so, I feel like we’re just worrying about a problem that we’re inventing here
Lobotomy dash is the worst most unfunny trend in gd history
aint harming anyone
@@funis its harming me
@@prizm79 why
@@funis because its so unfunny to the point were its making me feel like 2.2 is worse because of that
@@prizm79 you can just avoid it
It doesn't matter bro, I don't care if people are remaking entire (existing) games in GD, it's exactly the reason why I love this game so much, because the possibilities are endless. I just love seeing the things people can do in the editor because every day it fascinates me
I don't think Rob will say the same with 69 plagiarism claims in the future.
Say that after robtop gets hit with a cease and desist 🥱
Hope you get fascinated when the game gets banned for copyright infringement.
Remakes are cool and all and I like them but we shouldn't be relying too much on those type of levels.
@@atxm1c45 exactly
ok but why cant people create what they want
This is my own opinion; of course you can disregard it and do as you please, but you also bear responsibility for what you create. The same goes for any type of level.
good point legal issues
I do disagree with this video since remaking games / part of games have been a part of loads of communities for years. Apps like scratch have a bunch of Mario remakes and none of them have been copyrighted. We shouldn’t be putting down these creators who have pushed the boundaries of geometry dash to make something we should praise them. By your logic remaking doom in other media is bad, and then couldn’t be further from the truth.
Idk much about copyright and stuff but i know Scott Cawthon has said that its alright for us to remake fnaf in other games
This is my favorite part of 2.2: The death of novelty. The only thing that will truly last in this update is excellence, good ideas, good deco, good gameplay, good levels, not gimmicky technical levels that, while fun to make and neat to see made, were often poorly executed or uninspired.
I wouldn't say novelty is dying in 2.2 because so many people are disagreeing with koma in the comment section (and i think they're wrong)
honestly such a W take fr, I'm tired of playing flappy bird 19498491894 etc.
As 2.1 game remakes was a huge mind blowing act, people were crazy about it,
I think there would be less and less as we go along and people realise it's easier to do than before
Idk sometimes just seeing a game remake in GD is simply cool to see, and that's all that some need to do
Good video, only problem is I'd argue Night Plus II is more impressive than both the terraria level and rainbow road combined. Still kinda not cool that it used an image converter (although very impressive he coded his own image converter), but YaY is a smart guy and seeing his recent works, I'm glad to say he's on the right track.
Why can't we appreciate things and have fun? "You might be in trouble if blah blah." It's Geometry Dash. If worst comes to worst the level is deleted. Done and done. The only money being made is not by people making the game remakes but by the creator of the "game engine." If Rob gets sued it'll look real stupid. I know that copyright stuff might hit me square in the face and absolutely destroy my argument but like I said, you can just delete the level. Think about it, we have FNAF in gd, we hace Terraria bossfights in gd, we have tons of other video game remakes in gd. If Rob didn't get sued before he sure as hell isn't getting sued now. Also bringing up the point of "they could sue" makes it more likely to happen because more people know about it, it gets more traction, and the company sees it and potentially does it.
im making level called the rooms and it is just a remake of roblox game called "rooms" it will have the ai random (random spawn) when beyond door 60 (when does the first monster spawn) it will be able to spawn after door 60 (original A-60) and the door 200 monster (original A-200) it will get more faster every second (thats all i think also sorry for bad grammar im russian)
I think it depends on the game they are remaking and the actual passion put into it, because some people just want to make something cool in geometry dash, and some games probably do take a lot of time to remake in gd depending on how complicated they are.
Youre very right
0:40 i want to see you remake fnaf plus in gd with those tools, dont underestimate the creators for using external tools
i was actually remaking the toriel fight from undertale but i was too lazy lol
might repurpose it for a custom fight tho
I sympathize with that one post you showed of someone who made a World's Hardest Game remake that went unnoticed. I'm literally in the exact same boat (only my level is called "Worlds Hardest Level" and has entirely different stage design) and it sucks when you pour as much as you can into something only to have it buried by people who don't suffer from the inability to maintain focus.
Someone makes what they wanna make, and it gets recognition because people think its cool. Copyright is the creators problem.
This is why I like the Getting over it style levels. It's a genre rather than copying the original game art- the only thing not original is that there are no checkpoints, it's usually jank and you have to climb. That's a creative approach
The fnaf remake seems like it could be the Woodkid situation again, which is completely fair, and it probably won't get rated. It's a shame because if there wasn't as much copied art it would still look fine and could probably get epic- the strategy of fnaf is still a concept unexplored in gd until now. At the moment I don't think it should be rated though, and neither should the mario level. They should stay as cool minigames and nothing more
Even if night plus had original art assets, it's still just making a worse version of the game with nothing new added onto it. Sure it would be much more impressive, but that defense doesn't hold up because of how most of the AI and controls were trivialized by a few triggers.
Also, considering that it's based off of a fan recreation of the original FNAF+ that was specifically taken down by the creator of the FNAF franchise, there is an astronomically low chance that it would ever be rated, as I assume Robtop would prefer not to get into any trouble.
In accordance with the new policies of the game itself, it says:
"You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
Make available through the Service any material or information that infringes any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, right of privacy, right of publicity, or other right of any person or entity or that impersonates any other person"
And also below:
"RobTop assumes no responsibility for the conduct of any user submitting any User Content, and assumes no responsibility for monitoring the Service for inappropriate content or conduct. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. Your use of the Service is at your own risk. By using the Service, you may be exposed to User Content that is offensive, indecent or otherwise not in line with your expectations. You bear all risks associated with the use of any User Content available in connection with the Service. At our discretion, our representatives or technology may monitor and/or record your interaction with the Service or communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service"
Interpreting this and since every player has accepted the new policies of the game. RobTop could not legally be sued and instead the one who will be sued will be the creator of the level itself. RobTop will probably only be responsible for warning the player, deleting the level, or even contacting the player depending on the severity of the violation and how strongly they decide to sue. But well, sometimes it is different, maybe it is impossible to contact the player, and in that case I think that RobTop would have problems.
Probably the only thing that I'll ever agree with this channel on.
For some reason I thought that you were gonna talk about lobotomy levels
Lobotomy levels:
Let people make what they want as long as it isn't bad
they can make what they want. koma doesn't tell you that you MUST avoid building that way. all of this is just advice and opinion.
@@robianny oh thanks for clearing it up for me
people are just trying new stuff out, and making others witness the new capabilities of geometry dash as a "game engine". i don't think any of the remakes were made for success
big hater fuel, another tally on my list of reasons I can't stand this community
when can creator school go from elementary level to middle school level, im waiting...
this and the discord is THE BEST thing, but i cant access the discord
Though he was gonna say lobotomy 😭
At first I wanted to make a level based on Warpzone from the game Super Meat Boy, but to be honest I thought to myself that already there will be people who will sit for many many hours on this and do a remake, I let it go, and I started to make from my level a complete new project which is almost finished, almost because the decoration is still left :p
robtop should make an agreement when you make a level for the first time that says "if you click agree, then you should never use any assets or create remakes of copyrighted material" or something like that. that way the player is in trouble and not robtop
there's already level publishing rules accessible at any time on the level menu
İ assume what you mean is not like lets say fnaf fangames and just copying fnaf (that was an example) realy making fangames instead of copying would solve anything
I thought you're going to talk about the lobotomy bullcrap
Nintendo is the Ferrari of game companies
0:01 whats that level it looks so cool
Princess Peach Showtime:
I disagree. Geometry dash still has limitations to the editor. And a lot of indie companies DO NOT care if there boss or level gets in a geometry dash level 😂. Team Cherry and Relogic are a example. They support fan games because they don’t get profit, only attention.
Nintendo
@@Deliciousgreensoup wdym Nintendo?
Nintendo would care
Crazy that people think that Nintendo is a indie company 😂 I was mainly talking about indie stuff because so far a lot of games that are indie games have been somewhat recreated in geometry dash
@@Yetta-meta oh yeah im dumb didnt read the whole thing
Just have fun playing and creating instead
Theyre lowkey tryna turn gd into roblox 💀💀💀
to be fair to calamity remakes, the mod team fucking loves them
And Scott Cawthon loves the FNaF fangames and recreations people are able to make
Can you make a video on the player control trigger? I can’t figure out how to use it
I agree with you, I can't say more.
Taking ideas from other games is okay. But trying to do a 1:1 recreation of it is just too much. We literally used to be more creative and know how to tackle our limitations. But I think making 2d games seems a little too simple now but was praised because not many people do so.
if game remakes are profitable, then its an issue ok ill stop talking : (
I am currently working on a story island game based off of RPG games, sure it’s creative but I was also working on a longer super Mario 64 game, seeing this video with you saying that “it’s not taking that much effort” really hurts me. I know nothing about triggers and it needs 3D collisions and raycasting. I know you need to be creative but these projects are also pretty creative as you can add in stuff that isn’t originally there, sure copying is bad but the creators also worked really hard on their versions
I stated that they collectively don’t take *as much* effort *as people think*, and I also give examples of high effort remakes in the video. Furthermore, the chance to add stuff that isn’t originally there doesn’t mean people actually do that or that they are necessarily creative in that sense. Please rewatch the parts where I make these points and discuss what you can do to make your game remakes more generally accepted, and best of luck on your projects.
Night plus II would be more impressive to me, if pretty much the exact same AI wasn’t made in 2.1 by someone else, and image to gd.
But can you recreate the entirety of modern day tf2 with online servers and all with ease in 2.2? No.
Is possible, also very hard
I feel like you're blaming the wrong people, it's not necessarily the community's fault, but rather the developer's. RobTop is the one who keeps providing the community tools that make it easier and easier to just make an entirely different game inside of Geometry Dash, and is actively encouraging it by rating and featuring said levels. Furthermore, the fact that there are more tools to make "remake levels" just undermines the impressive levels the community previously produced.
With that being said, I think calling these games "unoriginal" or "unimpressive" is just straight up wrong. While it has a different creative process than traditional levels, the effort is still there. People have to learn how to use new tools and an absolutely horrendous editor, all while trying to keep as close to the source material as possible. They don't have to bother much on assets or brainstorming, but they instead have to invest that time and effort into making the thing work as intended. And frankly, even though they are "rip-offs" of pre-existing games, a lot of them end up having more thought put into them than some of the more recent popular levels (although this could be a preference thing).
Can you make a tutorial video on camera effects (glitch, shockwave etc.) i dont know how to turn them off or how to use them effectively in a level and i think a video would be great help. Thanks! 👍🏿
What if you take a first person 3D game where you move freely and base your level off of that? The level might be similiar to the original game, but mechnically works differently on a 2D playing field.
not really related to copyright but... having tools to make something that used to be hard easyer is a topic that gets hated on literally every community and i wonder why.
skilled creators will make better stuff than what we had before and worse creators will make what used to be best of the best more average. do people not want worse creators to make as good of a things as best creators in past because it takes less effort or something? not like thats a problem because the peak gets ingresed even more with more tools and skill still will be important.
I don't really have problem with game remakes it is really fun to see!❤
It shows what geometry dash has become! Like a game engine now⭐
calling it a game engine is hilarious
guy, things dont have to be hard to make to be cool
I was worried about this after 2.2 dropped, it's good that people are slowly putting this up ^^
I think the bigger problem with 2.2 levels is that most of them are pretty bad, but that's to be expected since the updates barely been out long enough to make a level. I don't think it will be until late 2024 when creators get their mind around all the new features and create actually good levels.
i think youre being a bit harsh on people who try tor eproduce their favorite game into geometry dash, they are having fun and im 100% sure it presents 0 risks of copyright issues. People are currently remaking exisitng concepts but eventually they will run out so i think you just need to wait a bit before seeing those new concepts really flourish
These types of my levels are unironically my favorite
SAME
its fnaf plus though and it was allowed to do by lost paw play.
The fundamental concept still has issues. I’m aware the original game’s creators are fine with the level and that is why I didn’t mention legality around Night Plus II. However the concept is still creatively stagnant as I put it.
Remember when Nintendo made Sony Remove the mario recreation levels the people made in the game "Dreams"?
the recreations are really Bad / low quality, i still dont know why nintendo even thought of doing it.
Its pretty hard to say that GD wont be sued by nintendo even if GD is a pretty small indie title, Many fangames gets shutdown even if they make no profit at all.
bro's yappin
ahem
lombotomy levels
I was reading this in subtitles and am sure i saw it say psuedo remake but I can't find it now so sorry if you didn't say it, but is a psuedo remake just a remake that changed the gameplay to its own?
Essentially yes
another problem with remakes is why even play them? Like 99% of them are just objectively worse versions of the original work. As cool/impressive as stella infection is for example, I'd rather just actually fight astrum deus in terraria than play a janky version of it in geometry dash. Most people play geometry dash to play geometry dash, not a worse version of another game that they've already played.
kinda clues cuz isnt gd editor is something like unity u can make so much stuff but what makes me think the most is that the people who made theses gets no income from what they made so is it really a big problem
this man is talking about the impossible game clone
nooo its fine, robtop might need to license some right to the property but what if they add robtop to their team or get one of the mods of other games to help on gd?? or share assets and make collaborations?? not everything has to be negative but its my opinion
make inspired stuff not THE stuff itself
im creating a lvl inspired by oddworld: abe's exoddus
and im refusing to even copy any stage-layout sections, i try to get the same atmosphere by my own ideas only
but after watching the video now i ask myself: can gd run doom? (yes someone SHOULD create doom in gd IMO)
3:50 what level is this it looks interesting (unless this isnt gd)
Floating Outskirts by YoReid
If you are going to remake a game, please for the love of God ask permission first
Dont stop its funny
A lot of interesting points here. I agree it's a lot easier, in some circumstances, to make a game remake now. It's unimpressive if somebody takes an old flash game platform level and just pastes it into GD. However, if someone were to remake a game like Baba is You or SSR, it would take a lot of impressive work with GD triggers, even with the help of 2.2, and be much more difficult than creating an average epic-rated platform level IMO. Of course copyright is a whole nother can of worms.
celeste players also ruin the game they should go back to their original platformer and stop remaking it into gd for the 1000000th time
Feddy faber?
I said this in the discord server and they jumped me
Screw copyright, it always ruin our fun
When someone copies your work without ur permission and doesn't give u credit , make sure to say SCREW COPYRIGHT once more😂
I was exactly thinking about it
Finally people see my POV
holy god i usually criticize creator schools like yall heavily but thank you for sharing an opinion on this. this is something i despise the most about the community right now. Its something ive despised for the longest of time especially when it comes to the aspect of tracing art from other games such as storming summit and celeste.
no offense, but i completely disagree, its more than the creative process, the outcome matters just as much as the process, origionality doesnt matter in a 2 dollar cube game
game remakes arent profitable so i dont see copyright issue in my opinion but eh
I said I’m not a lawyer for a reason - copyright is a complex issue and there is a lot of nuance to it. Nintendo and other places still take down fan games made with no express purpose of profit, for example, and I also don’t know how much “fair use” may apply as it depends on a judge’s interpretation of how “transformative” a work is.
@@GDCreatorSchool I understand the copyright situation is rough and I don’t think it should exist unless the person was using it in an evil way or manipulative I just want to have games inside geometry dash so people can see geometry dash more than a cube game
Even if you're not doing it for profit, it can still get DMCA'd if it looks remotely identical and/or you had no permission from the author to make a copy of sort (it's a legal issue, and quite bullshit since it disables people who love the game(s) to make cool stuff)). Though, copyright is a large can of worms in of itself so it'll depend if companies/devs actually care if game recreation in GD is actually a problem to them.
@@Tankem luckily for fnaf plus it was cancelled because the creator was a bully and a manipulator so all assets are allowed I think
We're poor little cubes
Who've got to jump (over) spikes
And we've got no other choice
Have to beat the level
_(fire in the hole)_
How do I jump?
Help me get out
I'm stuck in
GeOmETry DaSh
why
why not :D @@GDCreatorSchool
i agree
Ok
its fine
Dont worry. i was also jealous when i saw these levels 🤣
koma isn't jealous, and even if he was, that doesn't invalidate his point
@robianny I don't see anything wrong with these levels there all good
@@benjamingonzalez7077 his point isn't that they're bad - his point is that they're uncreative and uninspired, besides, they could potentially cause legal trouble
@@robianny the point of the levels isn't to be original. It's to show what the new editor can do.
@@benjamingonzalez7077 and koma isn't a big fan of that
i love plagarism i am a brokie so i get to play fnaf for free in gd 😮💨😮💨😮💨
You on iOS? I can tell you how to get FNaF for free
@@orang9134 yo lemme know the method lmao
Stop yappin non sense!
i bet gd school wont respond to this comment
Hello
@@GDCreatorSchool that was quick lol
Yea
nuh uh