Thanks for your feedback! We’re really excited to have a literal game changing cooling solution for our performance laptops. Yes, yours was simply an early engineering sample and all of the sound concerns for our production version have been addressed. The water reservoir has been redesigned to greatly reduce bubbles. The internal PCB has also been enhanced to reduce audibility of the cooler. Also, the cost will only be $99.99 when bundled with laptop purchase. Much more to come!
Sounds awesome guys, Linus was a bit harsh on your product! An other suggestion, user friendly changeable fan! it would be a some to throw away an AIO cooler for a broken fan
thank you for the reply. a user replaceable fan would be great since fan come in different specs for different reasons as you'd know. but a great product i must say i am really intrested in gettin one now
"Must have broken in shipping" would have been a perfect time to cut to some clips of him prying the case open, overfilling the port, using his hands to slow down the fan and pump, and purposefully knocking it over lol.
The level of disappointment shown by Linus even in the face of the amazing performance numbers is the best proof of how insanely promising this thing is.
Yo guys, I'm one of the first owners of a notebook with this liquid cooling (XMG Neo 15 - the European counterpart of Eluktronics), and I can tell you it is freaking awesome. It is much easier to use than I thought it would be. When you unplug the liquid cooling connector, the male connector cuts all water flow, so when it's unplugged it doesn't spill or drop any liquid no matter how you hold it. The holes in the female connector in the notebook chassis are small enough so that there is a resistance that the liquid inside the laptop has to break through to get out, so it doesn't spill by itself (Think of a syringe full of liquid that you have to press to get the liquid out, it's the same concept). When I want to move my notebook to another location, I unplug the liquid cooling connector (which leaves one or two drops of liquid at the table), and I take the laptop to a sink. While moving the laptop with liquid inside, it doesn't spill no matter how I hold it, which was my biggest fear before buying this. At the sink, I use a manual air pump that they ship with the laptop to blow air through the liquid cooling female connector to get all the liquid out, and I'm good to go. I do this in 30 seconds or less, it's pretty convenient. I have posted a small amateur video on my "channel" going through this process if anyone is curious. The temperatures that I observed in GTA V were: Liquid cooling OFF: - GPU: 86°~ (capped at max temp allowed by NVIDIA) - CPU: 86°~90° Liquid cooling ON: - GPU: 62°~ - CPU: 72°~82°
wait what ? if you disconnect the external water cooling to move the lap top and its sorta sealed so only a few drops come out ? exactly why the hell would you go to a sink and use a tool to extract the water out of the lap top ? how about not making a tool to remove the water in the lap top and simply making a cap device with a quick disconnect as well and just CAP the lap top and leave the water inside?
@Negative ScopeYou have leaks with both ends connected? Never had this kind of issue with mine. The end that connects to the cooler (the one that you have to screw) sometimes the screw got a bit loose with time and leaked a bit. The other end is plug-and-play, so never had this issue.
@Negative Scope What liquid are you using? I've seen a recall on the first month due to broken connectors caused by the chemicals in the cooling liquid that they shipped the first batches with. The recommendation is to use distilled water only. If you're using distilled water, then I don't know what else to say
I'm so glad you guys included the audio for that water pump. I installed a thermaltake AIO 120 water cooled radiator. I kept hearing a clicking noise, and I just assumed it was my hard drive. But then I remembered I installed and nvme SSD. Thanks to your video I realized the sound is just coming from a few air bubbles that are trapped in the sealed system.
If you orient your cooler so that a part of the radiator is above the pump, it should eventually trap the air so that it isn't circulating around. That didn't work for me though, and I actually opened mine up to fill it all the way. I don't recommend that though, because it died a few months later and I ended up installing a full custom water cooling loop instead, which cost 5x as much as the AIO...but you can't win them all.
The very first thing I thought too. If you make that into a dock you have a killer solution. You could effectively make a computer that would be an amazing experience both for work and gaming. This is a winning idea.
Would cost too much to see it commonly adopted. eGPU TB Enclosure is already a niche item due to its high prices. I'd prefer a water cooler accessory to excel at the one job that it is supposed to do.
@@blue4059 No it wouldn't. Have you seen the demand for laptop docks. They are in extremely high demand and a decent dock can be over 400 dollars street value.
I've been planning to build my own, using quick-disconnect connectors, except I'm planning to do it for my desktop, so I can use a cool looking ITX case, and still have a full watercooling system in a separate case.
One thing I'd like to see would be some sort of cooling dock where there near silent 120mm fans sucking the heat out of the laptop. If not just done as a cheap aftermarket add-on, it could probably work really well.
I could imagine like a slide in dock for the laptop but it'd have to be custom made for each model, it could have cheap brackets for different laptops ig
@@JTL-DK haha. I'd keep the water cooler at home for the big edits, and travel without it on the bike. And it always makes me laugh when people spot who I am when leaving a comment. It's still weird to me being a z-list celebrity.
This has the beginnings of something potentially awesome. What needs to happen is instead of putting out a single substandard product compatible with a single laptop that will out dated in 6 weeks, if at all possible they should try and get a patent on the design for an integrated water loop with a hassle / leak free quick connect plug and socket combo. Also they should integrate a USB 3.1/3.2 link into the connector, it doesn't have to be a standard USB C connector on the back of the laptop, although for the sake of serviceability it's probably better terminating in a USB C on the cooling block side. This will allow for custom software to pass thermals to the cooler to regulate pump and fan speeds, (as well as all important RGB sync data) and also allows you to either do away with pass-thru laptop power design, as it can now draw its power from USB, or alternatively, you could have a second dedicated PSU for the cooler with enough headroom to be able to provide extra power to the laptop over USB C if the lower temps afford it the ability to boost-clock the CPU / GPU and if the laptop's primary charger isn't beefy enough to give it the extra juice required. The point of all of this should be to design a standard and then license it out to laptop manufacturers, so that they can make a cooler or range of coolers and they'll all be plug n play compatible with any laptop using their design. The way to make the big bucks is to own a tiny piece of intellectual property and get a handful of companies to adopt it as a 'standard' there's no need to be greedy, heck they could license the loop and connector design for laptops for free (at least for a few years) and just make their money on the coolers. Just imagine getting to the point where anything called a "gaming laptop" is almost guaranteed to have an Eluktronics Cooler Connector on the back, probably next to its Kensington lock mount. And where you'd be willing to spend $200 - $X000 on a fancy water cooler, or some ultra insane vapour chamber phase change cooling unit, because 1 it actually works and 2 it'll be compatible with my next laptop and the one after that as well. People would welcome with open arms the ability to just bring your laptop over to the desk and plug a single connector in at the back, or even drop it into a dock and instantly you have desktop level cooling and power, and a built in powered USB hub for keyboard, mouse, ethernet, sound. Heck make it thunderbolt compatible and you could even include full port replication including display port or even an external GPU. Develop a standard and people will create implementations across the spectrum from one extreme to the other. So yeah that's what I'd like to see. And if Eluktronics don't do it, then LTT should, design a leak-proof, snap-fit all in one connector for water/data/power, patent it, then licence it for peanuts, if possible make it genderless that way it's much cheaper to manufacturer twice as many of the same connector vs needing male and female versions.
This seems like a great idea, almost like what Samsung & Google wanted to do with the Dex and Android dock thing. Buy a hub, plug in a monitor, KB+M and other accs., then when you get home drop your phone in and get a desktop style experience with 1 device. I can see manufactures taking on the design, but only in the larger laptop space, 17"+ sizes with massive power draws and the ultra-high end components. Cheaper $800 units wont get the same treatment. ASUS, Acer and Framework would take it on, maybe Dell with Alienware but Apple, Razer etc wouldn't. Unless Razer could make a licenced version of the cooler for $1000 with some RGB. Concept is good. It's needs home serviceability too, if you're buying a laptop for $1500 and then a cooler unit for another $100 to $300+, you'd want to keep both for a few years. If the cooler spring a leak or had an issue being able to home-fix is a must have. Getting iFixit on board to make servicing guides would be good, have a QR code inside the plastic door to take the user to the iFixit guide to repair their cooler. - Also having spares available for a minimum of 5 years is a must, buying something that's worth $100+ then a single pipe costing $500 is pointless and causes e-waste.
@@TheRealDrae Patents *can* be evil. Imagine for a second you're a regular dude and you have a great idea. You quit your job and spend the next 3 years and over $100,000 designing and prototyping your new product. You release the product and it's immediately obvious it's going to be a huge success. Since you didn't patent it due to them being evil, Amazon comes along and makes an identical product. Since they're Amazon though, they're able to buy in significantly larger quantities which lowers costs, allowing them to undercut you. They also get the name recognition of being Amazon. Now, despite having spent your entire life savings and several years of your life creating this new product, you don't even get to break even before the big, established names take over the market. Next time you have a great idea, you decide there's no point. Even if you spend more time and money, another big company is just going to come along and steal your idea once it's proven anyways, so what's the point? Since you decided to not make the product though, who knows when that idea will ever be realized. It could be next month, it could be in 50 years. This is why patents are important. They're not just there for the big companies to hoard and fuck over the little guys. They're there to protect the little people in order to give them a reason to take that first step.
I think the "siphoning power off the laptop PSU" is a pretty solid solution (and one I often use for my Pi projects): The pump and fan draw, what, a handful watts max, so the PSU should more than have enough headroom, and I personally would much prefer to use as few transformers as possible (can't stand it when my speakers, USB hub, external drives etc all want their own separate wall wart just to get the same 12V DC in).
It's perhaps a little weird seeing it connect in chain like that but there's nothing wrong with it indeed. The only alternative to that would be to integrate a power connector into the quick disconnect so the laptop powers the cooler assembly - then it could have had some fan control then as well to trade off performance and noise. That being said OneWire is a thing and making control go upstream up a power cord isn't exactly a challenge either.
@@SianaGearz to control fan and pump speed that way you'd need two separate cables. Also, using the laptop would require a reworking of the power system or you're leeching off your battery, which gets constantly discharged and recharged.
@@Anankin12 did you even think before writing that? Learn about OneWire bus and learn about B+ rail topology on a laptop and then come back, I don't really have the inclination to educate you.
@@SianaGearz I'm guessing if the current version already has speed control, then it is measuring water temp at the radiator/pump end, so it wouldn't need any wires going to/from the laptop (other than the laptop's power passthrough)
@@Incommensurabilities yeah you can have preprogrammed control and maybe it's there, maybe it just always goes full blast; but Linus was looking for a way to adjust the fan. It is not an unreasonable request, after all you have preprogrammed control on your GPU or laptop already, but you can also override them in case you need either more performance or less noise. It's the kind of thing that is technically unnecessary, but PC enthusiasts expect, especially given that this is not a cheap accessory so penny pinching doesn't look good on it.
I wish In the future there would be an universal standard that all gaming laptop follows so that they can all be plugged in to a water cooler like this, it would be dope asf
For a second, I thought this was gonna be another water-cooled laptop experiment. Also, I find it funny how LMG made a big deal about trying to move away from vlogs, yet the writers just threw one big one at Linus.
This concept is absolutely brilliant, if it gets a few more months in the engineering room i could actually consider buying a gaming laptop for when I'm on the move. My biggest complaint with laptops has been the cooling, both because of the audio and the thermal throttling.
Well, laptop hardware has thermal limits a bit higher than its desktop counterparts. But no hardware maker has built a laptop with water cooling in mind.
what I liked, is that a heat pipe on top of a heat pipe with 2 outputs on the notebook housing, can be easily replicated with a little engineering. just scrape and paste
This would actually be pretty amazing, imo. Especially if they got it working even better, when it releases. ^_^ Would love to see a review with the Launch version, to see what all got improved and to see if the temps even got improved.
Laptop's have come along way over the last few years. I recently succumbed to purchasing a new laptop. I am very happy with it. i7 11800H, 16GB DDDR4, RTX 3060 6GB, 1TB PCIe Gen 4 and 144hz display. It sustains 100FPS min in almost any game I throw at it. It nails 1080p. On a 15.6" screen at 37 years old, tis enough.🥳🥳 Best part of it is I can game anywhere, ideally with an outlet. No more lugging a massive desktops from house to house. Gaming laptops are actually great value right now in the middle of this chip shortage. It just makes sense all round. Just don't tell the scalpers 🤣🤣
Mines too.. it was because of the GPU shortage.. it makes sense since I'll be off to college too.. HP PAVILION GAMING 15 with AMD Ryzen 5 5600H + RTX 3050. I'm more into old games... Games like Crossfire, Call of Duty Mobile, CSGO and some Valorant... And a bit of Rogue Agents.. it's perfect for my lifestyle actually.. I don't game that much either, and I do hope scalpers don't mine laptops anytime soon. GPU's are there, leave laptops alone..
Damn I feel like everybody talks about buying high class component laptops with RTX GPU's like it's nothing xD For me, it's already a big thing to buy a i5 laptop with a 1050 since it cost a whole month salary in my country lol
@@rafaelconstanzovicens9094 there was a time I used lower end computers and was proud of them! This is definitely the best laptop I've ever bought, for sure. But I'm in my 30s and have an established career. I could never have bought this when I was just starting out
I gotta say this looks awesome, price isn't that bad for those who like to game on a laptop after being stuck in an office all day at work. Those temp drops were huge. Sounds like they just need to have a max fill line, toughen up the cap, make sure the fan isn't broken and can be controlled.
That fakeout to the 12th gen disclaimer was pretty convincing. The disclaimer was hilarious too. Do you think Jensen himself delivers the bags and lights them?
Jensen brings the poop bag, Patrick sets it on fire and rings the doorbell. Neither of them run away. They stand there making eye contact while you stamp out the bag.
*I LOVE this idea, I've been daydreaming of external cooling solutions for laptops these past 20 YEARS (even have some of my own designs). The only comment I have about this device is, I'd like to be able to "SEE" reservior level and all the tubing (to check for leaks/in case of) and I think this can be done without sacrificing the esthetic by adding transparent plastic (ON THE BACK) and/or a sliding panel on the side (think glass door) and a level sensor that can emit some kind of audible alarm (hopefully not an air raid siren but loud enough to keep you informed).*
Otherwise power and data connection could probably be integrated into the cooling quick connect to make only a single bundle and connector, If this was the case, then the laptop might be able to implement a standard pwm fan controller, requiring nothing fancy on the radiator side.
This is such a cool product...its insane how a tiny tube of water can massively improve performance while reducing noise. Should be a must have in desktop replacement laptops.
It's funny too how simple actually the system is inside the laptop lol I think I could modify my own laptop to make it compatible with a similar system and even make it more compact
@@rafaelconstanzovicens9094 think that's the goal this is just the Mech-15 with a pipe put in so chance they just drop it into all future laptops if it works.
I'd be very interested in seeing this concept in the upcoming Labs when it's up an running. A water-cooled breakout box like this vs an eGPU vs a laptop cooling stand vs undervolt/overclock type of test. (Not all together, obvs). I'm SO excited for the LTT Labs! SOOO much potential. I'm still wondering if they will be gaining a certification, though probably not, as it would involve way more than they can accomplish being a "small" lab. Who knows. But I'm still stoked!!
I used to game on an i9 15” mbp and the only way I could keep it from throttling was by building a Lego stand to prop it up, removing the bottom pan, and adding a shop fan blowing directly upwards from underneath it 😂. Happy to say I don’t have to do that anymore In the PCMR
Am using a i9 2019 16" MBP with an Radeon 5300Pro. I thermal padded the heat pipes to the chassis, flip it around an put an old AMD stock cooler on it where the CPU and GPU are. Disabling Turbo Boost also actually helps quite a lot with gaming (less thermal throttling of the GPU)
it's still a valid point for reviewing purposes that the item needs to be more durable before going from prototype to final release but yes lol Linus Linusing as usual
Good stuff LTT! Our final LPP solution has been improved which is great news to all. While the LPP isn’t necessary, it’s fun and just the right amount of absurdity to enhance Laptop Life 👍
So, to sum it up: - Instead off a barrel power connection make it usb-c - add pwm control to fan and pump - Make lines come out form the back - Make lines permanent to unit or quick disconnect - Improve filler cap
reminds me of that one video of some dude I saw in which he soldered a second laptop cooler into the existing one and placed the fan and heatsink in the dvd player slot. Dude's crazy
I have an Eluktronics Max 17 with a 2080. Love it. Can't imagine going with any other laptop company at this point. Highly recommend I'm hoping to update to a 3080ti model with new Gen components when available.
My laptop sounded like an airplane taking off for over a year (took me a while to figure out there was cathair between the fan and heatsink). The sound of the broken pump wouldn't even bother me. I think with a few tweaks this could be a very interesting product
"It must have broken in shipping" Linus literally knocked it over earlier in the video. Though seriously, it is way too narrow of a footprint. It's wobbling just sitting there. That thing is going to get knocked over all the time as you shift the laptop or tubes around
@@moonman506 whatever gets it done, I'm not married to my randomly suggested solution, but I'd say adding more complexity and points of failure without a clear added benefit is not an advisable move and nice name
Water-cooling a laptop is so cool (literally and figuratively). If this is the future, maybe we’ll actually see laptops with GPU TDPs of 200W or more which can at least get close to the performance of their desktop counterparts
I have a gaming laptop and always experience cpu throttling when playing games with high cpu consumption, so this video was really really interesting for me. Thanks again linus for your amazing content, myself and many others really appreciate the things you do for us
Why did you have to open (and potentially risk breaking) it before showing the result? I understand that you've tested it before shooting but still you made it a mess now that nobody knows if the noise was caused by you opening it or not. Im sure a lot of people put in there effort to produce it and it deserves respect
Just cleaned my Omen 15 and went from 90c to 60c on the cpu playing bf1 at 4k, if anyone is having thermal problems, just open your laptop and clean the fans with compressed air.
What they said: Linus: "Can I open it?" Alex: "Uh,...not yet" Linus: "I wanna open it, tho" *Proceeds to open it* What they meant: Linus: "I wanna open it." Alex: "Don't break it yet." Linus: "But I'm your boss." *Proceeds to open it*
as someone who puts something under the rear of a laptop to improve airflow I am immune to water spills that don't directly go ontop of my laptop. It also makes the fans have less of a high pitch noise so it's more pleasent
It's going to cost $100 if you buy it with a laptop. Thunderbolt docks cost $300 or more. So that's not a very good way to make people want to buy something by making it more expensive.
@@Terreos Making something that does two things instead of one is always a good idea. If you are going to have to sit at a desk and plug this in to get the most out of it, then make a product that allows people to get the most out of a stationary laptop. If that means t cost more, then charge more for it.
Honestly, that's a really good idea. Send test versions of these products to you and similar TH-camrs, so you can test it out and give your feedback on important changes, BEFORE release, but after release companies are not inclined to change their product...
There is potential. Not wanting to discredit Eluktronics unsure if this is still done with their usual tongfang partnership but this is a Mech 15 which exists already they just added the water pipe. In theory making it possible to add to all TongFang laptops if they are doing it. Eg Intel NUC X15 (mag 15) and many more... If works fine without the water and can be sold without it so it's a rather cheap addition compared to previous attempts
The incremental cost to add this would be pretty low tbh. Like the work done inside the laptop is one extra copper loop with a quick connector. Not disparaging what they have done to achieve that neatly, but it's not something inherently costly.
@@zyeborm oh boi i think you underestimate this. It's extra aio space, it's extra engineering and rnd cost, it's extra soldering, it's at least like 15 bucks extra materials (which is a lot is laptop manufacturing) and most importantly it likely prolongs the life of the product, which reduces sales.
@@mojolotz oh no... $15 more copper.... (I mean it's $1 but hey) in a $2000 machine. You think this single pipe is much more expensive than the 4 much harder to make heat pipe and radiator assembles already in it?
Crazy how some ODM Laptop designs are just so recognizable. Like even before you opened it up I recognized it as a Tongfeng, if only for the reason that my XMG Neo 15 (also a Tongfeng) has the exact same light bar at the front, later also confirmed by the Keyboard design as well xD
I wanna see someone make a custom water block for a laptop. Removing every air cooling system out and just have the liquid cooling system in the laptop like you would have in desktop and see how much better that would be. Probably similar to this but still. It would be not possible to take it anywhere but, you know.
The problem is: it should somehow still work when not attached to the external radiator/whatever it is IMO, because else you might just get a desktop computer once GPUs are affordable.
This seems like a really awesome product. Imagine having a gaming/multipurpose laptop that you can stick in a docking station or whatever at home and turn it into a monstrous tower, with one connection. I'd seriously consider it in future for work travel, my whole rig could convert to a laptop without losing its power at home. It would have to convert into significantly better performance than other laptops of its price when connected to be worthwhile, though.
@@user-vp5lb2cu9n They don't perform nearly as well as an actual water cooler. You could put absolutely monstrous parts in there and have laptop which can convert to a beastly desktop at home, cooling pads don't provide enough of a benefit to do that. An automatic overclock or even custom parts to take advantage of the possible TDP when connected would enable some incredible portable builds.
@@Jsfun Yeah honestly the issue lies with the fact that laptops have to be closed at the bottom which restricts airflow. Water cooling would be a game changer. Unfortunately for me my TDP is restricted so no point in further cooling. Thanks ACER.
This is amazing! And since it has tubes you can do a little diy to mount the cooling unit under your desk and just the tubes coming up that would solve a lot of noise issues and with noise dampening strategies you could have a complete silent "desktop replacement" laptop also there's chance to upgrade the fan with a noctua if you want
This is quite ingenious. You still can use your laptop as a laptop, but when you want to play at your desk, boom instant cooling performance. I dont know exactly how it all works, but I worry that liquid is stuck in the cooling pipes of the laptop that could potentially lead to major problems down the line. The ability to just replace the pump/fan is super nice though
Pending, on the Laptop design and size/thickness. As well as the vent size/vent design and laptop fan size/fin count.. etc. Certain, coolers can deliver.. But water cooling is a better long term method. I use a cooler myself and can get up to 10 degrees cooler across the board..
The performance is actually pretty impressive. If all that's wrong with the product are the semi-broken fan in this particular unit and the cap that could do with a redesign for Rev. 2, it's hard to really fault the product. Adding software fan control would be the cherry on top, but, depending on how loud (quiet) the fan is when it's working properly, it's probably no more than one last "nice to have". Seriously, from the well thought out internal layout, through the performance that the product delivered, through the (very) moderate price compared to competing solutions... this looks like a really good product, if you're into that sort of thing.
I'd like to see more stuff like this for laptop users. I mean water-cooling is probably a bit of a stretch, but it would be nice to have someone trying to make stuff like replacement displays, for example if you want to replace your IPS screen with an oled and stuff like that.
Fun to see that there are water-cooled laptops without water and without cooling ... When I first heard about water cooling for PCs some 15-20 years ago I was excited because I thought it was so much better than air cooling, you know because fluids transport heat better and so on. But then I learned that the water cooling needs an air-cooled radiator ... I know the technology has its fans (no pun intended), but I don't think it's a thing when it's basically just a complicated heat pipe.
It's basically a way to multiply massively the interface's surface. You go from the tiny air cooler heatsink into a massive radiator. Also I think the water acts as a thermal mass, but I'm not sure about that
Have you guys ever thought about making wall art with your graphics for your clothes? My company is renovating the IT area and needs modern techy artwork and we love your designs!
I met Linus at a restaurant once - we’d accidentally been given his table. Apparently he was fond of the restaurant and had a specific table he liked, and the management had messed up and gotten their days wrong, (it was Tuesday and they thought he was coming on Thursday or something like that). Anyway, the manager, completely embarrassed (this is a pretty nice restaurant) comes by and says “I’m so sorry, but we’d like to move you to another table if you could be troubled, and we’ll gladly compensate you for the cost of the meal and any other meal you’d like while you’re in town.” My sister and cousin were both like “Yeah that’s cool.” and I kind of played the asshole a bit. “I’m sorry, I just don’t understand. We’ve been here for 15 minutes - we’ve just ordered. Can’t we finish our meal here?” Then out of nowhere Linus shows up next to the manager and says “Paul, these guys can finish. We’ll be at the bar. I got some time.” And I (being a big LTT fan) said “Oh wow, uh… I had no idea. Please feel free to give them the table.” Linus was grateful, shook my hand and said thanks, then gave me a card with his number on it and told me to give him a call later. After working up the nerve, I gave him a call that night, and to make a long story short, we had a glorious 11 month love affair, man on man, that I shall never forget. Our bodies intertwined as one, and from the beauty of Frankfurt, to Shanghai, to the snorkeling in Boracay, Linus and I made glorious gay love to each other on six of the seven continents.
By the sound of that racket the pump had air bubbles it couldn't shift. I found the small pumps I've used in my watercooled laptop mods are prone to it. Cycling the speed up and giving them gentle whacks is about the only thing you can try to shift them, other than that, using an alloy auto coolant mix helped a lot (I had mixed metals in my loops, copper and solder)
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This is ridiculous. The thing wasn't broken, probably when Linus opened it he messed up the cable's position and it was colliding with the fan when they connected it. That's why you test before opening it, but hard headed, arrogant A-hole Linus with all his prepotency dismissed his friend suggestion as we all saw. Believe me I know pretty darn well how a Pc fan striking a cable sounds like. Do you think I'm stupid guys? If I was the company who send the product I would be more than disappointed, angry. What a disservice, even if it ha s bad performance. Stuff is usually non stupid proof.
Outside of some issues. This is exactly what I’ve always been saying they should do! Water cool a laptop so it can function way better as your main computing station!!!
Theres great potenzial here, laptops come with alot of power today but they are limited by thermals and the resulting noise levels. I might do a DIY- job on my laptop with a few design changes: Bigger radiator and fan, quiet aquarium pump, a clear reservoir, a connector that doesnt let the water leak out when unplugged. I dont really need speed control if the whole system is quit enough, when its not needed I just turn it off.
I'd personally like to see a quick disconnect valve on the pump itself so the tubes come with a similar looking connection piece on both side. This way if for whatever reason it gets jerked the whole system doesn't go with it. It simply disconnects and you have to plug it back in, With that in mind intake and outtake tubes on the pump/res may look better on the side then coming out the back? Otherwise its a cool product. I'm am wondering if an L shaped res would be better so that the res runs the full length of the rad and still comes down right over the pump. would provide more coolant space and would take longer for the water temp to equalize, but not sure it would help long term with temps.
Pretty sure its not that type of quick disconnect, its secure in the machine and u have to pull down the tab to disconnect, so even if it was on both sides its taking whatever connected with it. U really wouldnt want it to come out even on accident, they are transfering water so If the tubes come out during use good chance ur gonna soak ur laptop.
These kind of external cooling station concept would be ideal for ultrabooks. Some of them these days has fast enough chips, but not enough volume for proper thermal solutions for heavy duty processing at home or office.
I think that lid is made to reduce the bubbles of air. But it's a good initiative to start watercooled laptops for some people that uses that everywhere but ,replace destop pc for this and it's hot.
- It seems like it would be worth a shot to design an external fan (air, not water) device that simply connects to an air-out/peripheral-power port on a gaming notebook. - Imagine the airflow we could achieve with a nice 90 or 120 mm HSP fan drawing cool air from one end of the chassis and through to the other side, expelled from the external fan unit in whichever direction you want. - We'd be going from tiny fans spinning at a million RPM to one large fan spinning slowly enough to be nice and quiet. - Hell, the internal fans could be mounted in such a way that when the external fan unit (EFU) is engaged, you don't get air running over them and becoming turbulent and noisy. Love, Kat
I wish all companies would let you do a pre-release review and be cool about it. Like dude this is an example of a great concept but still needs some work. Really close to getting it right.
Thanks for your feedback! We’re really excited to have a literal game changing cooling solution for our performance laptops. Yes, yours was simply an early engineering sample and all of the sound concerns for our production version have been addressed. The water reservoir has been redesigned to greatly reduce bubbles. The internal PCB has also been enhanced to reduce audibility of the cooler. Also, the cost will only be $99.99 when bundled with laptop purchase. Much more to come!
Wow, we rarely ever see a reply from a manufacturer addressing the concerns or acknowledge the feedback. Nice work Eluktronics.
@Alfa i omega could you stop spamming?
Nice of you to answer here and be open about it! What about the ability to control pump and Fan via software?
Sounds awesome guys, Linus was a bit harsh on your product! An other suggestion, user friendly changeable fan! it would be a some to throw away an AIO cooler for a broken fan
thank you for the reply. a user replaceable fan would be great since fan come in different specs for different reasons as you'd know. but a great product i must say i am really intrested in gettin one now
"Must have broken in shipping" would have been a perfect time to cut to some clips of him prying the case open, overfilling the port, using his hands to slow down the fan and pump, and purposefully knocking it over lol.
That's what I was thinking... although it should be more robust than that lol.
Yeah, Dave2D's cooler worked fine.
Linus: "So far I have broken zero of the clips...almost zero of the clips"
Eluktronics: "Introducing our clipless case design"
So either magnets or cut-off holes in the chasis to slide the panels in and out.
@@QruisS screws
that requires far more effort than what I would like
@@QruisS ,
Or don't take it apart?
(although, you'd want to CLEAN it wouldn't you? Never mind.)
@@photonboy999 you have a nice point
The level of disappointment shown by Linus even in the face of the amazing performance numbers is the best proof of how insanely promising this thing is.
Linus: *Laptops have 3 problems: They’re hot, loud and kinda slow.*
Me looking at my 10-year-old laptop: *Hey, he’s talking about you, buddy.*
Me looking at my laptop, no he isn't talking about a drill machine.
A bit of new thermal paste and it'll be good as new.
congrats. Linus notice your existence
@@doggo_woo
And a vacuum/air compressor cleaning of the cooling system
@@MrHack4never maybe even some undervolting if you want an even cooler laptop
Yo guys, I'm one of the first owners of a notebook with this liquid cooling (XMG Neo 15 - the European counterpart of Eluktronics), and I can tell you it is freaking awesome. It is much easier to use than I thought it would be. When you unplug the liquid cooling connector, the male connector cuts all water flow, so when it's unplugged it doesn't spill or drop any liquid no matter how you hold it. The holes in the female connector in the notebook chassis are small enough so that there is a resistance that the liquid inside the laptop has to break through to get out, so it doesn't spill by itself (Think of a syringe full of liquid that you have to press to get the liquid out, it's the same concept).
When I want to move my notebook to another location, I unplug the liquid cooling connector (which leaves one or two drops of liquid at the table), and I take the laptop to a sink. While moving the laptop with liquid inside, it doesn't spill no matter how I hold it, which was my biggest fear before buying this. At the sink, I use a manual air pump that they ship with the laptop to blow air through the liquid cooling female connector to get all the liquid out, and I'm good to go. I do this in 30 seconds or less, it's pretty convenient. I have posted a small amateur video on my "channel" going through this process if anyone is curious.
The temperatures that I observed in GTA V were:
Liquid cooling OFF:
- GPU: 86°~ (capped at max temp allowed by NVIDIA)
- CPU: 86°~90°
Liquid cooling ON:
- GPU: 62°~
- CPU: 72°~82°
wait what ? if you disconnect the external water cooling to move the lap top and its sorta sealed so only a few drops come out ? exactly why the hell would you go to a sink and use a tool to extract the water out of the lap top ? how about not making a tool to remove the water in the lap top and simply making a cap device with a quick disconnect as well and just CAP the lap top and leave the water inside?
@@mathewhoffer4541 This is the first version, they could improve it on future iterations
@Negative ScopeYou have leaks with both ends connected? Never had this kind of issue with mine. The end that connects to the cooler (the one that you have to screw) sometimes the screw got a bit loose with time and leaked a bit. The other end is plug-and-play, so never had this issue.
@Negative Scope What liquid are you using? I've seen a recall on the first month due to broken connectors caused by the chemicals in the cooling liquid that they shipped the first batches with. The recommendation is to use distilled water only. If you're using distilled water, then I don't know what else to say
I'm so glad you guys included the audio for that water pump. I installed a thermaltake AIO 120 water cooled radiator. I kept hearing a clicking noise, and I just assumed it was my hard drive. But then I remembered I installed and nvme SSD. Thanks to your video I realized the sound is just coming from a few air bubbles that are trapped in the sealed system.
If you orient your cooler so that a part of the radiator is above the pump, it should eventually trap the air so that it isn't circulating around. That didn't work for me though, and I actually opened mine up to fill it all the way. I don't recommend that though, because it died a few months later and I ended up installing a full custom water cooling loop instead, which cost 5x as much as the AIO...but you can't win them all.
Could you imagine the next generation of this? A docking solution with a thunderbolt connector or two for power and data delivery, and water cooling?!
The very first thing I thought too. If you make that into a dock you have a killer solution. You could effectively make a computer that would be an amazing experience both for work and gaming. This is a winning idea.
Or just an external GPU with all laptop cooling power dedicated to CPU, huh?
Would cost too much to see it commonly adopted. eGPU TB Enclosure is already a niche item due to its high prices. I'd prefer a water cooler accessory to excel at the one job that it is supposed to do.
@@blue4059 No it wouldn't. Have you seen the demand for laptop docks. They are in extremely high demand and a decent dock can be over 400 dollars street value.
I've been planning to build my own, using quick-disconnect connectors, except I'm planning to do it for my desktop, so I can use a cool looking ITX case, and still have a full watercooling system in a separate case.
Linus: flips over the cooler and lets it hit the table
Also Linus: It sounds broken!
If gently pushing it over on a lightly cushined table is enough to break it, then it's still a poorly constructed product for that price
@@ValentineC137 you mean like a prototype? :D
@@elbeetlebeasto
Your analogy actually made me LOL. I hope I'll get the chance to use it in the future.
@@elbeetlebeasto
Didnt help that he kept saying "shut up" to that thing
@@suntzu1409 are you suggesting that it could hear him?
one of the great things is that you can change the flow direction , like you can prioritise cpu over gpu or vice versa
One thing I'd like to see would be some sort of cooling dock where there near silent 120mm fans sucking the heat out of the laptop. If not just done as a cheap aftermarket add-on, it could probably work really well.
I could imagine like a slide in dock for the laptop but it'd have to be custom made for each model, it could have cheap brackets for different laptops ig
that reminds me of the vacuum sucky things that help get rid of hot air
You mean like all those laptop stands with fans in them ?
That's not how fans work. Those products have been totally debunked for years now
@@JTL-DK haha. I'd keep the water cooler at home for the big edits, and travel without it on the bike.
And it always makes me laugh when people spot who I am when leaving a comment. It's still weird to me being a z-list celebrity.
This has the beginnings of something potentially awesome. What needs to happen is instead of putting out a single substandard product compatible with a single laptop that will out dated in 6 weeks, if at all possible they should try and get a patent on the design for an integrated water loop with a hassle / leak free quick connect plug and socket combo. Also they should integrate a USB 3.1/3.2 link into the connector, it doesn't have to be a standard USB C connector on the back of the laptop, although for the sake of serviceability it's probably better terminating in a USB C on the cooling block side. This will allow for custom software to pass thermals to the cooler to regulate pump and fan speeds, (as well as all important RGB sync data) and also allows you to either do away with pass-thru laptop power design, as it can now draw its power from USB, or alternatively, you could have a second dedicated PSU for the cooler with enough headroom to be able to provide extra power to the laptop over USB C if the lower temps afford it the ability to boost-clock the CPU / GPU and if the laptop's primary charger isn't beefy enough to give it the extra juice required.
The point of all of this should be to design a standard and then license it out to laptop manufacturers, so that they can make a cooler or range of coolers and they'll all be plug n play compatible with any laptop using their design.
The way to make the big bucks is to own a tiny piece of intellectual property and get a handful of companies to adopt it as a 'standard' there's no need to be greedy, heck they could license the loop and connector design for laptops for free (at least for a few years) and just make their money on the coolers. Just imagine getting to the point where anything called a "gaming laptop" is almost guaranteed to have an Eluktronics Cooler Connector on the back, probably next to its Kensington lock mount. And where you'd be willing to spend $200 - $X000 on a fancy water cooler, or some ultra insane vapour chamber phase change cooling unit, because 1 it actually works and 2 it'll be compatible with my next laptop and the one after that as well.
People would welcome with open arms the ability to just bring your laptop over to the desk and plug a single connector in at the back, or even drop it into a dock and instantly you have desktop level cooling and power, and a built in powered USB hub for keyboard, mouse, ethernet, sound. Heck make it thunderbolt compatible and you could even include full port replication including display port or even an external GPU. Develop a standard and people will create implementations across the spectrum from one extreme to the other.
So yeah that's what I'd like to see. And if Eluktronics don't do it, then LTT should, design a leak-proof, snap-fit all in one connector for water/data/power, patent it, then licence it for peanuts, if possible make it genderless that way it's much cheaper to manufacturer twice as many of the same connector vs needing male and female versions.
This seems like a great idea, almost like what Samsung & Google wanted to do with the Dex and Android dock thing. Buy a hub, plug in a monitor, KB+M and other accs., then when you get home drop your phone in and get a desktop style experience with 1 device.
I can see manufactures taking on the design, but only in the larger laptop space, 17"+ sizes with massive power draws and the ultra-high end components. Cheaper $800 units wont get the same treatment. ASUS, Acer and Framework would take it on, maybe Dell with Alienware but Apple, Razer etc wouldn't. Unless Razer could make a licenced version of the cooler for $1000 with some RGB.
Concept is good. It's needs home serviceability too, if you're buying a laptop for $1500 and then a cooler unit for another $100 to $300+, you'd want to keep both for a few years. If the cooler spring a leak or had an issue being able to home-fix is a must have. Getting iFixit on board to make servicing guides would be good, have a QR code inside the plastic door to take the user to the iFixit guide to repair their cooler. - Also having spares available for a minimum of 5 years is a must, buying something that's worth $100+ then a single pipe costing $500 is pointless and causes e-waste.
Now this idea has merit and extends the range of consumers to most laptops; maybe not older models of course.
Patents are evil.
@@TheRealDrae Patents *can* be evil.
Imagine for a second you're a regular dude and you have a great idea. You quit your job and spend the next 3 years and over $100,000 designing and prototyping your new product. You release the product and it's immediately obvious it's going to be a huge success. Since you didn't patent it due to them being evil, Amazon comes along and makes an identical product. Since they're Amazon though, they're able to buy in significantly larger quantities which lowers costs, allowing them to undercut you. They also get the name recognition of being Amazon.
Now, despite having spent your entire life savings and several years of your life creating this new product, you don't even get to break even before the big, established names take over the market.
Next time you have a great idea, you decide there's no point. Even if you spend more time and money, another big company is just going to come along and steal your idea once it's proven anyways, so what's the point? Since you decided to not make the product though, who knows when that idea will ever be realized. It could be next month, it could be in 50 years.
This is why patents are important. They're not just there for the big companies to hoard and fuck over the little guys. They're there to protect the little people in order to give them a reason to take that first step.
This guy games
I think the "siphoning power off the laptop PSU" is a pretty solid solution (and one I often use for my Pi projects): The pump and fan draw, what, a handful watts max, so the PSU should more than have enough headroom, and I personally would much prefer to use as few transformers as possible (can't stand it when my speakers, USB hub, external drives etc all want their own separate wall wart just to get the same 12V DC in).
It's perhaps a little weird seeing it connect in chain like that but there's nothing wrong with it indeed. The only alternative to that would be to integrate a power connector into the quick disconnect so the laptop powers the cooler assembly - then it could have had some fan control then as well to trade off performance and noise. That being said OneWire is a thing and making control go upstream up a power cord isn't exactly a challenge either.
@@SianaGearz to control fan and pump speed that way you'd need two separate cables.
Also, using the laptop would require a reworking of the power system or you're leeching off your battery, which gets constantly discharged and recharged.
@@Anankin12 did you even think before writing that?
Learn about OneWire bus and learn about B+ rail topology on a laptop and then come back, I don't really have the inclination to educate you.
@@SianaGearz I'm guessing if the current version already has speed control, then it is measuring water temp at the radiator/pump end, so it wouldn't need any wires going to/from the laptop (other than the laptop's power passthrough)
@@Incommensurabilities yeah you can have preprogrammed control and maybe it's there, maybe it just always goes full blast; but Linus was looking for a way to adjust the fan. It is not an unreasonable request, after all you have preprogrammed control on your GPU or laptop already, but you can also override them in case you need either more performance or less noise. It's the kind of thing that is technically unnecessary, but PC enthusiasts expect, especially given that this is not a cheap accessory so penny pinching doesn't look good on it.
I wish In the future there would be an universal standard that all gaming laptop follows so that they can all be plugged in to a water cooler like this, it would be dope asf
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10:40 "12900hk intel processor" clearly written on the right
Alex calling Eluktronics
Alex : The fan sounds funny
Eluktronics : did you guys drop it?
Alex : (hung up) 10:26 i just confirm it’s broken
For a second, I thought this was gonna be another water-cooled laptop experiment. Also, I find it funny how LMG made a big deal about trying to move away from vlogs, yet the writers just threw one big one at Linus.
69 likes, hehe... Perfectly balanced.
@@idkanymore3382 ?
@@idkanymore3382 yeah its dumb af
@@charlessale409 look at the colors
This concept is absolutely brilliant, if it gets a few more months in the engineering room i could actually consider buying a gaming laptop for when I'm on the move. My biggest complaint with laptops has been the cooling, both because of the audio and the thermal throttling.
Well, laptop hardware has thermal limits a bit higher than its desktop counterparts. But no hardware maker has built a laptop with water cooling in mind.
Linus is a man of his word, I sure hope he keeps his promise and gives a raise to all his editors tomorrow.
Why?
@@metallusmelandril7380 see 1:42
@@JohnWayne-hq1ns thanks Bro!
Linus didnt write that though
@@flosa1995 exactly, that was the editors joke he threw in there
what I liked, is that a heat pipe on top of a heat pipe with 2 outputs on the notebook housing, can be easily replicated with a little engineering. just scrape and paste
The little "SUP" over the external cooler when Linus said it was loud got me - y'all got them jokes Editors, y'all got them jokes.
This would actually be pretty amazing, imo. Especially if they got it working even better, when it releases. ^_^ Would love to see a review with the Launch version, to see what all got improved and to see if the temps even got improved.
Laptop's have come along way over the last few years. I recently succumbed to purchasing a new laptop. I am very happy with it. i7 11800H, 16GB DDDR4, RTX 3060 6GB, 1TB PCIe Gen 4 and 144hz display. It sustains 100FPS min in almost any game I throw at it. It nails 1080p. On a 15.6" screen at 37 years old, tis enough.🥳🥳 Best part of it is I can game anywhere, ideally with an outlet. No more lugging a massive desktops from house to house. Gaming laptops are actually great value right now in the middle of this chip shortage. It just makes sense all round. Just don't tell the scalpers 🤣🤣
Mines too.. it was because of the GPU shortage.. it makes sense since I'll be off to college too..
HP PAVILION GAMING 15 with AMD Ryzen 5 5600H + RTX 3050. I'm more into old games... Games like Crossfire, Call of Duty Mobile, CSGO and some Valorant... And a bit of Rogue Agents.. it's perfect for my lifestyle actually..
I don't game that much either, and I do hope scalpers don't mine laptops anytime soon. GPU's are there, leave laptops alone..
I've got a g713, rtx 3060 and a ryzen 5800h. Good stuff
Sounds just like the one I bought, the maxxed out Dell Latittude with a 3060 from Costco. This is a great laptop, AND has a full 10 key as well!
Damn I feel like everybody talks about buying high class component laptops with RTX GPU's like it's nothing xD For me, it's already a big thing to buy a i5 laptop with a 1050 since it cost a whole month salary in my country lol
@@rafaelconstanzovicens9094 there was a time I used lower end computers and was proud of them! This is definitely the best laptop I've ever bought, for sure. But I'm in my 30s and have an established career. I could never have bought this when I was just starting out
I gotta say this looks awesome, price isn't that bad for those who like to game on a laptop after being stuck in an office all day at work. Those temp drops were huge. Sounds like they just need to have a max fill line, toughen up the cap, make sure the fan isn't broken and can be controlled.
"Don't open it yet"
[Linus opens it anyway]
"It's broken"
[Surprised Pikachu face]
this is literally in my cart right now. a bet a nice noctua fan would help too. i hope we can get a full review of benchmarks soon.
That fakeout to the 12th gen disclaimer was pretty convincing. The disclaimer was hilarious too. Do you think Jensen himself delivers the bags and lights them?
Jensen brings the poop bag, Patrick sets it on fire and rings the doorbell.
Neither of them run away. They stand there making eye contact while you stamp out the bag.
*I LOVE this idea, I've been daydreaming of external cooling solutions for laptops these past 20 YEARS (even have some of my own designs). The only comment I have about this device is, I'd like to be able to "SEE" reservior level and all the tubing (to check for leaks/in case of) and I think this can be done without sacrificing the esthetic by adding transparent plastic (ON THE BACK) and/or a sliding panel on the side (think glass door) and a level sensor that can emit some kind of audible alarm (hopefully not an air raid siren but loud enough to keep you informed).*
Linus opens it and then it's suddenly broken. "they have some stuff to work out", yeah, don't let Linus take your stuff apart. Lol
Yeah let linus play with it after recording the important bits lol.
It's not like him opening it could have removed the ability to control fan speeds.
0:57 *LOVE* the subtle sound effect, especially the crash
They should have had the power passthrough via a usb-c connector that could also send/receive data to control the fan and pump speed.
Great idea
Otherwise power and data connection could probably be integrated into the cooling quick connect to make only a single bundle and connector, If this was the case, then the laptop might be able to implement a standard pwm fan controller, requiring nothing fancy on the radiator side.
I mean they did say the CPU was pulling 100w and the GPU 125. Nobody has yet really implemented usb-c epr.
That was a very neat product. To solve the fan noise just put a variable dial on the front so you can manually adjust the fan speed.
This is such a cool product...its insane how a tiny tube of water can massively improve performance while reducing noise. Should be a must have in desktop replacement laptops.
Well, when you consider that by volume, water can carry about 3400 times as much heat as air....
It's funny too how simple actually the system is inside the laptop lol I think I could modify my own laptop to make it compatible with a similar system and even make it more compact
@@rafaelconstanzovicens9094 think that's the goal this is just the Mech-15 with a pipe put in so chance they just drop it into all future laptops if it works.
I'd be very interested in seeing this concept in the upcoming Labs when it's up an running. A water-cooled breakout box like this vs an eGPU vs a laptop cooling stand vs undervolt/overclock type of test. (Not all together, obvs). I'm SO excited for the LTT Labs! SOOO much potential. I'm still wondering if they will be gaining a certification, though probably not, as it would involve way more than they can accomplish being a "small" lab. Who knows. But I'm still stoked!!
I used to game on an i9 15” mbp and the only way I could keep it from throttling was by building a Lego stand to prop it up, removing the bottom pan, and adding a shop fan blowing directly upwards from underneath it 😂.
Happy to say I don’t have to do that anymore In the PCMR
I used my dual core 2016 MacBook Pro and also passed to the PCMR(Legion 5 17 inch 5600h 3060)
Am using a i9 2019 16" MBP with an Radeon 5300Pro. I thermal padded the heat pipes to the chassis, flip it around an put an old AMD stock cooler on it where the CPU and GPU are.
Disabling Turbo Boost also actually helps quite a lot with gaming (less thermal throttling of the GPU)
"*Proceeds to open it*" Basically embodies why I love the Linus and the editors at LMG.
Linus: Hits the device until it falls
Also Linus: Suprised its's probably broken
The proper method is to drop it by accident! 😄😁
it's still a valid point for reviewing purposes that the item needs to be more durable before going from prototype to final release
but yes lol Linus Linusing as usual
This is pretty awesome. I've always thought of "gaming" laptops to always be a sort of joke, this certainly solves a lot of problems! Progress!
Good stuff LTT! Our final LPP solution has been improved which is great news to all.
While the LPP isn’t necessary, it’s fun and just the right amount of absurdity to enhance Laptop Life 👍
You and your company are doing so much for the gaming laptop industry, I wholeheartedly wish the best for you guys! :)
"I wanna open it though" was the most inner child Linus thing I've seen all month and it's great.
So, to sum it up:
- Instead off a barrel power connection make it usb-c
- add pwm control to fan and pump
- Make lines come out form the back
- Make lines permanent to unit or quick disconnect
- Improve filler cap
Just add a dial on the external cooler itself, just limits the maximum speed the device can run at.
Have 60% as the lowest it can go 👍
seemed overly harsh for the performance boost, i wouldn't mind having to change a fan or finding a more permanent way to close it
reminds me of that one video of some dude I saw in which he soldered a second laptop cooler into the existing one and placed the fan and heatsink in the dvd player slot. Dude's crazy
"The gpu and cpu are under an embargo so we can't tell you what they are"
Proceed to show that the cpu is an i9-12900HK in the results tab
Duuuude, don't snitch
Great. Now there's is burning poop on their door, all thanks to you
Well intel already shows off all of the cpu. the embargo is mainly on the performance (which technically dropped yesterday for the GE76)
I have an Eluktronics Max 17 with a 2080. Love it. Can't imagine going with any other laptop company at this point. Highly recommend
I'm hoping to update to a 3080ti model with new Gen components when available.
Linus: Takes side pannels off
Cooler gets Louder
Linus: "Why is it so loud?" 😯
0:18
That's what she said
My laptop sounded like an airplane taking off for over a year (took me a while to figure out there was cathair between the fan and heatsink). The sound of the broken pump wouldn't even bother me. I think with a few tweaks this could be a very interesting product
He breaks the pump apart BEFORE hooking it up, THEN complains the pump "is broken".
Linus. Bless your heart. 😂😂😂
"It must have broken in shipping"
Linus literally knocked it over earlier in the video.
Though seriously, it is way too narrow of a footprint. It's wobbling just sitting there. That thing is going to get knocked over all the time as you shift the laptop or tubes around
yeah true, needs an intel NUC type of form factor for stability with some 1/2 inch ish little legs for airflow
@@arsenal4444 or suction cups/magnets on the bottom... don't need to rebuild the wheel
@@moonman506 whatever gets it done, I'm not married to my randomly suggested solution, but I'd say adding more complexity and points of failure without a clear added benefit is not an advisable move
and nice name
10/10 for the editing. Love to see the water cooler fighting back. Will there be a special edition with googly eyes?
Water-cooling a laptop is so cool (literally and figuratively). If this is the future, maybe we’ll actually see laptops with GPU TDPs of 200W or more which can at least get close to the performance of their desktop counterparts
1:12
That is the best way to describe overheating. I will be using this from now on
I have a gaming laptop and always experience cpu throttling when playing games with high cpu consumption, so this video was really really interesting for me. Thanks again linus for your amazing content, myself and many others really appreciate the things you do for us
Why did you have to open (and potentially risk breaking) it before showing the result? I understand that you've tested it before shooting but still you made it a mess now that nobody knows if the noise was caused by you opening it or not.
Im sure a lot of people put in there effort to produce it and it deserves respect
Just cleaned my Omen 15 and went from 90c to 60c on the cpu playing bf1 at 4k, if anyone is having thermal problems, just open your laptop and clean the fans with compressed air.
I was searching for something like this yesterday, thank you LTT.
What they said:
Linus: "Can I open it?"
Alex: "Uh,...not yet"
Linus: "I wanna open it, tho" *Proceeds to open it*
What they meant:
Linus: "I wanna open it."
Alex: "Don't break it yet."
Linus: "But I'm your boss." *Proceeds to open it*
You left out the punchline:
Linus: "It sounds like it's broken."
as someone who puts something under the rear of a laptop to improve airflow I am immune to water spills that don't directly go ontop of my laptop. It also makes the fans have less of a high pitch noise so it's more pleasent
They need to make this a full dock with HDMI, USB etc. Would be a great product then.
that would increase the production cost, for a machine that simply has just one job to do.
It's going to cost $100 if you buy it with a laptop. Thunderbolt docks cost $300 or more. So that's not a very good way to make people want to buy something by making it more expensive.
@@Terreos Making something that does two things instead of one is always a good idea. If you are going to have to sit at a desk and plug this in to get the most out of it, then make a product that allows people to get the most out of a stationary laptop.
If that means t cost more, then charge more for it.
Honestly, that's a really good idea. Send test versions of these products to you and similar TH-camrs, so you can test it out and give your feedback on important changes, BEFORE release, but after release companies are not inclined to change their product...
this looks awesome, but i can't see this ever being affordable unless lots of laptops start having this as a standard
There is potential. Not wanting to discredit Eluktronics unsure if this is still done with their usual tongfang partnership but this is a Mech 15 which exists already they just added the water pipe. In theory making it possible to add to all TongFang laptops if they are doing it. Eg Intel NUC X15 (mag 15) and many more... If works fine without the water and can be sold without it so it's a rather cheap addition compared to previous attempts
Eh. They made it 100 if bought with the laptop, which makes it ok value IMO.
The fact that it's the only solution like it makes it great value even.
The incremental cost to add this would be pretty low tbh. Like the work done inside the laptop is one extra copper loop with a quick connector.
Not disparaging what they have done to achieve that neatly, but it's not something inherently costly.
@@zyeborm oh boi i think you underestimate this. It's extra aio space, it's extra engineering and rnd cost, it's extra soldering, it's at least like 15 bucks extra materials (which is a lot is laptop manufacturing) and most importantly it likely prolongs the life of the product, which reduces sales.
@@mojolotz oh no... $15 more copper.... (I mean it's $1 but hey) in a $2000 machine.
You think this single pipe is much more expensive than the 4 much harder to make heat pipe and radiator assembles already in it?
Crazy how some ODM Laptop designs are just so recognizable. Like even before you opened it up I recognized it as a Tongfeng, if only for the reason that my XMG Neo 15 (also a Tongfeng) has the exact same light bar at the front, later also confirmed by the Keyboard design as well xD
I wanna see someone make a custom water block for a laptop. Removing every air cooling system out and just have the liquid cooling system in the laptop like you would have in desktop and see how much better that would be. Probably similar to this but still. It would be not possible to take it anywhere but, you know.
The problem is: it should somehow still work when not attached to the external radiator/whatever it is IMO, because else you might just get a desktop computer once GPUs are affordable.
If I am remember correctly the yter der8auer did that in one of his videos
@@igordasunddas3377 I know it would be practical, but I just want to see it.
@@Excubitor Really? I'll go check it out then.
Might as just get a desktop and a thin and light laptop no?
I honestly never got gaming laptops
Classic Linus, opens up device before testing, criticizes excess noise, i love it
The segue to the sponsor did not age well :))
if anything it makes it better xD, they gave linus money and now they get fk all sales xD
This seems like a really awesome product. Imagine having a gaming/multipurpose laptop that you can stick in a docking station or whatever at home and turn it into a monstrous tower, with one connection. I'd seriously consider it in future for work travel, my whole rig could convert to a laptop without losing its power at home. It would have to convert into significantly better performance than other laptops of its price when connected to be worthwhile, though.
No it don't make really sence in my mind. In my opinion external notebookcoolers which you put under the laptop for 20$ is way better for his price.
@@user-vp5lb2cu9n They don't perform nearly as well as an actual water cooler. You could put absolutely monstrous parts in there and have laptop which can convert to a beastly desktop at home, cooling pads don't provide enough of a benefit to do that. An automatic overclock or even custom parts to take advantage of the possible TDP when connected would enable some incredible portable builds.
@@Jsfun Yeah honestly the issue lies with the fact that laptops have to be closed at the bottom which restricts airflow. Water cooling would be a game changer. Unfortunately for me my TDP is restricted so no point in further cooling. Thanks ACER.
Lil P P is a solid touch 😂
I would love to see this become a standard on more laptops
This is amazing! And since it has tubes you can do a little diy to mount the cooling unit under your desk and just the tubes coming up that would solve a lot of noise issues and with noise dampening strategies you could have a complete silent "desktop replacement" laptop also there's chance to upgrade the fan with a noctua if you want
This is quite ingenious. You still can use your laptop as a laptop, but when you want to play at your desk, boom instant cooling performance. I dont know exactly how it all works, but I worry that liquid is stuck in the cooling pipes of the laptop that could potentially lead to major problems down the line. The ability to just replace the pump/fan is super nice though
You should try the Klim Mistral, it's a gameing laptop cooler and it works very well
PS : I got around -30°C
I've got a klim ultimate and I haven't noticed a huge difference in cooling performance
Pending, on the Laptop design and size/thickness. As well as the vent size/vent design and laptop fan size/fin count.. etc. Certain, coolers can deliver.. But water cooling is a better long term method. I use a cooler myself and can get up to 10 degrees cooler across the board..
Maaaan editors really had fun on that one! I had a good laugh!
20 seconds in an Linus drops a Lil P P. You know this one is gonna be good.
The performance is actually pretty impressive. If all that's wrong with the product are the semi-broken fan in this particular unit and the cap that could do with a redesign for Rev. 2, it's hard to really fault the product. Adding software fan control would be the cherry on top, but, depending on how loud (quiet) the fan is when it's working properly, it's probably no more than one last "nice to have". Seriously, from the well thought out internal layout, through the performance that the product delivered, through the (very) moderate price compared to competing solutions... this looks like a really good product, if you're into that sort of thing.
7:53 You shouldn't have stopped Linus, I already imagined him dropping the water all over the laptop before you stopped him haha.
I'd like to see more stuff like this for laptop users. I mean water-cooling is probably a bit of a stretch, but it would be nice to have someone trying to make stuff like replacement displays, for example if you want to replace your IPS screen with an oled and stuff like that.
Fun to see that there are water-cooled laptops without water and without cooling ...
When I first heard about water cooling for PCs some 15-20 years ago I was excited because I thought it was so much better than air cooling, you know because fluids transport heat better and so on. But then I learned that the water cooling needs an air-cooled radiator ...
I know the technology has its fans (no pun intended), but I don't think it's a thing when it's basically just a complicated heat pipe.
It's basically a way to multiply massively the interface's surface. You go from the tiny air cooler heatsink into a massive radiator.
Also I think the water acts as a thermal mass, but I'm not sure about that
Have you guys ever thought about making wall art with your graphics for your clothes? My company is renovating the IT area and needs modern techy artwork and we love your designs!
I met Linus at a restaurant once - we’d accidentally been given his table. Apparently he was fond of the restaurant and had a specific table he liked, and the management had messed up and gotten their days wrong, (it was Tuesday and they thought he was coming on Thursday or something like that). Anyway, the manager, completely embarrassed (this is a pretty nice restaurant) comes by and says “I’m so sorry, but we’d like to move you to another table if you could be troubled, and we’ll gladly compensate you for the cost of the meal and any other meal you’d like while you’re in town.” My sister and cousin were both like “Yeah that’s cool.” and I kind of played the asshole a bit. “I’m sorry, I just don’t understand. We’ve been here for 15 minutes - we’ve just ordered. Can’t we finish our meal here?” Then out of nowhere Linus shows up next to the manager and says “Paul, these guys can finish. We’ll be at the bar. I got some time.” And I (being a big LTT fan) said “Oh wow, uh… I had no idea. Please feel free to give them the table.” Linus was grateful, shook my hand and said thanks, then gave me a card with his number on it and told me to give him a call later. After working up the nerve, I gave him a call that night, and to make a long story short, we had a glorious 11 month love affair, man on man, that I shall never forget. Our bodies intertwined as one, and from the beauty of Frankfurt, to Shanghai, to the snorkeling in Boracay, Linus and I made glorious gay love to each other on six of the seven continents.
Now I see how they've done it,, gonna build one myself.. Thanks!!
Linus: *dismantles it*
Also Linus: Must have broken in shipping...
By the sound of that racket the pump had air bubbles it couldn't shift. I found the small pumps I've used in my watercooled laptop mods are prone to it. Cycling the speed up and giving
them gentle whacks is about the only thing you can try to shift them, other than that, using an alloy auto coolant mix helped a lot (I had mixed metals in my loops, copper and solder)
This is ridiculous. The thing wasn't broken, probably when Linus opened it he messed up the cable's position and it was colliding with the fan when they connected it. That's why you test before opening it, but hard headed, arrogant A-hole Linus with all his prepotency dismissed his friend suggestion as we all saw. Believe me I know pretty darn well how a Pc fan striking a cable sounds like. Do you think I'm stupid guys? If I was the company who send the product I would be more than disappointed, angry. What a disservice, even if it ha s bad performance. Stuff is usually non stupid proof.
This is actually a really good idea and works great if you dont mind the little hiccups that are acknowledged by manufacturer.
Outside of some issues. This is exactly what I’ve always been saying they should do! Water cool a laptop so it can function way better as your main computing station!!!
Your comment about the aluminum heatsinks + water cooling makes me kind of want to see one for desktop. Like a Noctua + EK AIO
I'm not even a fifth as savvy as this channels denizens, but that they wrote dialog for the water pump is why I'm here every new video. 🤣
Theres great potenzial here, laptops come with alot of power today but they are limited by thermals and the resulting noise levels.
I might do a DIY- job on my laptop with a few design changes: Bigger radiator and fan, quiet aquarium pump, a clear reservoir, a connector that doesnt let the water leak out when unplugged. I dont really need speed control if the whole system is quit enough, when its not needed I just turn it off.
I'd personally like to see a quick disconnect valve on the pump itself so the tubes come with a similar looking connection piece on both side. This way if for whatever reason it gets jerked the whole system doesn't go with it. It simply disconnects and you have to plug it back in, With that in mind intake and outtake tubes on the pump/res may look better on the side then coming out the back? Otherwise its a cool product. I'm am wondering if an L shaped res would be better so that the res runs the full length of the rad and still comes down right over the pump. would provide more coolant space and would take longer for the water temp to equalize, but not sure it would help long term with temps.
Pretty sure its not that type of quick disconnect, its secure in the machine and u have to pull down the tab to disconnect, so even if it was on both sides its taking whatever connected with it. U really wouldnt want it to come out even on accident, they are transfering water so If the tubes come out during use good chance ur gonna soak ur laptop.
That was a great interjection by Alex!!!
If i was to buy a that expensive laptop, I would 100% buy the cooler as well. Looks like a great product!
These kind of external cooling station concept would be ideal for ultrabooks. Some of them these days has fast enough chips, but not enough volume for proper thermal solutions for heavy duty processing at home or office.
I think that lid is made to reduce the bubbles of air. But it's a good initiative to start watercooled laptops for some people that uses that everywhere but ,replace destop pc for this and it's hot.
- It seems like it would be worth a shot to design an external fan (air, not water) device that simply connects to an air-out/peripheral-power port on a gaming notebook.
- Imagine the airflow we could achieve with a nice 90 or 120 mm HSP fan drawing cool air from one end of the chassis and through to the other side, expelled from the external fan unit in whichever direction you want.
- We'd be going from tiny fans spinning at a million RPM to one large fan spinning slowly enough to be nice and quiet.
- Hell, the internal fans could be mounted in such a way that when the external fan unit (EFU) is engaged, you don't get air running over them and becoming turbulent and noisy.
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So two manufacturers already, xmg and these guys, nice.
I would easily pay the extra 100$ for this.
Even for a laptop with very good cooling, this is still useful, and easy to implement on the laptop side.
The sponsor footage at the end must be quite old cause its fun to see the OG Vive and Rift CV1 still for sale.
I wish all companies would let you do a pre-release review and be cool about it. Like dude this is an example of a great concept but still needs some work. Really close to getting it right.