'REACTS' Ronny Dahl's 4x4 Roll Over Recovery in Outback Australia!
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- MadMatt's reactions are unfiltered and raw as he watches Ronny Dahl's epic 4x4 roll-over recovery mission unfold before his eyes. It's a reaction video like no other!
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an old fella once told me, “the first thing you need to do in an emergency is to calm down and boil the Billy and have a cup of tea. “Then if you are really stuck, and there is no way to call for help, have another cup of tea and sit down and play patience, cause sooner or later someone will say, hey the black six goes on the red seven, and you can ask him for help. 😂😂”
100%
I also had this advice in my advanced recovery course.
100% agree!!
Got told this when I was a toddler in the 4WD club, I’m now 38 and still out bush every chance I get and have approached every single recovery with that same philosophy and so far I’ve never had a problem.
You know who said that? Jack Absalom. Watch his stuff. You'll learn a lot.
You've been reading too many Len Beadell books!
Another awesome video, Matt. I hope people learn from both Ronnie's method and your comments and analysis. I can't wait for the next one.
I hope so too!
Another awesome vid Matt.
You are spot on. In all my 4x4 days, we have only had one roll over. It was at work in the middle of Mosman. On my day off the apprentice decided to use the truck as a timber rack then drive it down a long driveway. Saving time. Hats to s off for thinking. The timber moved and the tipper laid on its side and timber every where. Missing expensive cars. I turned up with my then Hilux and winched it back over. It took a lot of thinking. The hardest thing was to keep the onlookers at bay. Adrenaline only takes you so far.
You can see the desperation from the owners and using every bit of experience/ luck to right it. Ronny has done a great job. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Have you had any interactions with Portal axels for an 80.
Keep up the great work Matt 👏👏👏
Great story mate. Personally I don’t see the need for portals for the average wheeler. I’ve never run them though.
Not to mention Ronny has tried his hardest to snap a tow ball off and show how dangerous it is. No matter how he tried he could not break it. In the end he had to cut it almost in half to get it to break. So using it the way he has in this recovery is very safe.
One thing to remember with tow balls is we don't know how much stress they've endured .we can't always see a stress fracture. I loop around behind the tow ball using both upper and the lower threaded end this way I put the same stress on a larger area.
Yes james but please don’t ever use one. I think you’ve watched enough of my content to know my thoughts
@@vincentdunne7197 exactly. Especially with the typical Surf/Prado/80 bush bashers out there now. They are up to 30 years old. How many of those years were they someone's tow vehicle for their overweight trailer. You get one of those trying to snatch you out from their factory tow ball and you're asking for it.
@@MadMatt4WD yes mate was just stating fact as in his test to see if he could snap a tow ball off. Have you watched that he gives it a hell of a go but just can't do it.
@@vincentdunne7197 I have seen a test bed pull on a tow ball .11Ton and the ball not snap the thread started to pull out so test was stopped. Yes tow balls not designed to take unknown shock loads .My thoughts are thread will pull not the ball snap but still ending in a projectile being launched.
You hit the nail on the head, "competent driver" is the key to keeping tracks in good condititon
Just a pity those with competence and respect for the bush are rare on the tracks these days! There are 35's and 4' lifts out every weekend tearing places up with their immaturity and incompetence. There IQ is often a reflection of their imperial tyre size choice.
Yeah, there were so many caveats to the point about big tyres making it effectively meaningless.
Who's making a bigger rut in the mud?
1) An idiot with 32s.
2) An idiot with 35s.
@@matthewl.8312 100%. Idiots for the win.
Great analysis Matt. I over think recovery gear requirement and carry a hand winch as well as vehicle mount winch.
Great breakdown Matt. One of the best I have seen in a long time.
Those guys are experience outdoorsman
500 year old Spanish Winch, piece of wood stuck between two parallel pieces of hemp rope, because hemp is the strongest natural fiber in the world. Good video I would say a 500 year idea time has come once again.
I want to do a recovery with one.
@@MadMatt4WD just do it I did so many years ago to get my mini truck out of sand on a beach that had coconut 🥥 and Australian Ironwood trees to winch from island of Saipan 1980's😂🤣
I was able to get myself out of a pickle once using the twisted strap method. My jeep had nosed off a cut back and gotten the bumper stuck hard in the road base. It would not back up under its own power. I was able to attach a large polyester tow strap from the rear bumper to a tree. Using a LARGE branch we twisted the strap till it pulled the Jeep backwards about 1-2 feet back up the hill. This allowed us to dig out a bit of the road and stack rocks in front of the wheels to give the front bumper ( and shackle mounts ) more clearance. It got us home!
Thanks for sharing.
Great breakdown of the video. A actually saw it but did not necessarily take away that same info as you did. Thank you. ;)
That’s the idea of these videos is that we can all help each other
Allot of guys on the ground trying to get the hell out f the way,,looks real to me!!!
Hi Matt. Used the Spanish windless many a time over the years. Have had 2 men winding up, extremely dangerous. In my circle of friends we joke about using it but many of us have used it.
Cheers
Yeah looks scary if it let go.
Looking forward to your bush hand winch test and I'm glad you mentioned the flip flop version which in my opinion will be more effective (due to the increased torque) than the version used by the blokes who were involved in the incident. Thanks for the content team MM. Cheers
I have to agree Matt. The lesson here for many is having a leader & formulating a plan. Stop often!! A leader is only as good as the guys around him, sometimes that means being open to others ideas which is why stopping & discussing everything is so important but only having the one person in charge so to speak negates the changes of mixed messages & any confusion especially when things get hairy! the person in charge sends clear messages & again if in doubt, STOP !! I've seen too many recoveries of smart arses or well intended people yelling out do this or do that, which is the worse thing to do in the heat of the moment. There should never be a point when things get rushed.
We have used a Spanish Windles winch before once the winch broke and that worked.
Hey Matt, I like this series you’re doing. Would be interested to see an analysis of Robert peppers winching technique video
Thanks. Roberts stuff is very good. He and I agree on most things so I’m not sure what I’d say.
I think the comment of "It's all the guys running big tyres" stems more towards those that do go and spin up the tracks, a certain YouTubr channel as an example, not those that use it for touring and drive normally. I did watch that video and Ronny and the team I think did a great job keeping everyone safe, not damaging the vehicle more etc until I saw Ronny jump on the side. I get why he has done it and at that point it was pretty safe but that risk was still there. Otherwise great job by them.
Yes I think they did a great job. Re the tyres. It’s not the big tyres it’s the poor drivers. And a poor driver with any tyre can do damage.
@@MadMatt4WDI agree with what you say about the tyres but bad drivers with big tyres dig deeper holes. Either way that concept comes down to bad drivers not so much the fact they have bigger tyres.
@@MadMatt4WD while I agree a poor driver with any tyre can do damage. But rarely on youtube or in real life do we see poor drivers tearing up the track with 31inch tyres or skinny tyres, gunning it at 4000rpm or more. Trying to go up a hill or in this case a muddy road like a bat out of hell. Yes, Its a sterotype but one that is not too far from the truth.
05:40 that's riffing off a Spanish Windlass. I suspect that if they'd found decent logs and dug a hole, it would work.
Mad Matt, Question how to use snap strap/recovery strap, for recovery or other way to pull a car out of a bad situation. Where the Subaru Forester isn't designed for anchor points for towing or pulling out cars. Can you do a TH-cam on how to get the best of bad situation.
Hi Matt,
Really enjoy your content. I have subscribed to you’re online training but haven’t received any other information.
What’s the next step?
Cheers.
Thanks heaps. I appreciate that. We are working on getting content through to you shortly!
Well done to Ronny well done to Hatt
Yes
Coming back to earth for a moment and forgetting the romantics of fabricating some bush, manual hand winch - if travelling one up, alone in remote situations and don't forget the 12 volt battery has most likely lost it's fluids if not damaged, the front electric winch is now just a dead paper weight. Carry a hand winch, a Tirfor, or Elefant or even a chain block. That is what they are for. The flip-flop Fred Flinstone method is OK, provided you can find a couple of decent tree limbs on a beach/foreshore(?), but really here the car is loosing fluids and needs to be righted correctly and safely and expediently. The correct gear is available.
In practice I’ve found the batteries really leak. Most are fully sealed these days but in my race car I have the old style batteries and they didn’t leak when I rolled the other day.
True, but is to be considered. I have just dug out my army recovery manual to check the line pull required to return a vehicle back onto it's wheels, ( could not remember the formulae off the top of my head), and it is to be taken as half the weight of the vehicle. Assume the Everest tips the scales at 3 tonne - the pull required would be 1500kg - add on 25% safety factor of 375kg, brings pull required to 1875kg. Would be interesting to see if the maxtrax buried in the sand would hold that load? If so, all Ronnie had to do was place a block at the anchor and pull through 90 degrees with his vehicle safely remaining on the track. I would have connected an equalising bridle to two points on the chassis to balance the load. Your estimate of the pull required was close to the mark.@@MadMatt4WD
The last 4 batteries I have bought are Odyssey AGM. Any angle for AGM is fine. And, the winch might also run off my 260AH LFP in the back. So, no shortage of power.
A 'fully kitted out' 4b should already have a decent agm starter battery.
Matt... nice review of Ronny's recovery. Thank you. He did a fine job. I would have done a few things a bit differently, but not many. That said, your comment at 19:06 (about) that you would have let the rolled vehicle's wheels skid in Park when pulling the vehicle back could be a problem. For your viewers, because I'm pretty sure you know this but perhaps forgot, that this tip could have resulted in breaking off the transmission's parking pawl. Some automatic transmission parking pawl's can take a considerable amount of tension on them prior to snapping off inside the transmission, but why chance this even a little? IMHO Ronny was correct in placing the rolled vehicle in Neutral. Break off the parking pawl and the entire recovery is really for not. Break off the transmission's parking pawl then the entire transmission will need to be rebuilt and may not function once the vehicle is righted. Further note I didn't hear Ronny say is that the static vehicles doing the winching should also have their auto transmissions (if not manual) in Neutral while winching. These vehicles can remain static and not slide with a foot and parking brake on, plus good tire chocks under the wheels. Thanks again for your content.
Actually you make a great point so yes I’ll stand corrected.
Great video Matt.
It never occurred to me that a larger tyre will tend to do less damaged to the environment. I just never gave it thought. It is not something you really need to test, seems obvious I guess my focus was on the shaming for having large tyres on account of my small "pee-nice" size :8)
I am in road transport & even in that industry fatigue in my experience is talked well on the seriousness but not actually taken as serious as it should be. I have been involved in recoveries with prime movers.
The problem is the more fatigued you get the harder it is to access yourself & someone else. You are almost never going to have someone on hand that has just had 8 hours of quality sleep & are super crisp to assess you.
I think with practice it is something you get better @. But, I never trust that, it is problematic. Ideally it is not something you should look forward to getting practice @. It is a dangerous practice, no matter how good you think you have gotten @ it.
My greatest fear is the recovery being rushed, I have seen on a few occasions where egos have shown up for a hero tan op. & that can be just as concerning as fatigue inviting trouble. It can be very difficult to know how to handles such a situation, does one just follow, attempt to take charge or walk away? & as you said Matt every situation is different.
I am not one to want to boss anyone around any more than I like being given orders. I am not sure how I would handle a situation like that. It is a little different to not having the key to the hitch lock pin doover.
Great comment. And sorry about your pee pee size. 😂😂😂
Taking the vehicle out of Park helps with the non ideal use of the contraption on the towbar for the stone stomper.
And why do we need to use oversize tyres? Because every other person that drove down that same track used oversize tyres so the ruts are perfectly deep enough to catch you out on standard size tyres.
Maybe. I go everywhere on a smaller tyre and even race on 35” tyre which are often the smallest in the field. I usually place well.
Not really 100% accurate. The taller tyre syndrome came about because wheel ruts were washed and eroded by weather events. So, ask yourself how the ruts got there in the first place? Pretty obvious standard tyres were used long before the genisis of tall tyres. It's just that taller tyres were then needed to cope with the deep ruts. Chicken and egg stuff, eh?
G’day Mad Matt thanks for the great content mate. I’m in Tassie and I have contacted a couple of so called 4wd training providers regarding doing a course. Several reasons educational experience and insurance purposes. I sent emails and didn’t get a reply. If you or anyone knows of a reputable training provider here in Tas or if there’s another option. Please let me know. Cheers.
Hey I don’t know any down there but that is disappointing.
"Let other people contribute"👍
The reason that the vehicle is sliding on its side is because Ronny is pulling it from the bottom...... if he would have placed a strap over the top side of the vehicle and down over the roof to the bottom side, then the pulling effort would force the vehicle to roll upright.
That theory is correct and is what Army recovery mechanics would set up for army vehicles with structural bar work. However, a soft shell passenger vehicle will incur further panel damage, especially to the turrent(roof) area, which would be sufficient to write the car off, insurance wise. Turret and/or pillar damage is way more serious than replacing a fender. But you are correct, the turning motion of a lower placed anchor would pivot the vehicle around it's grounded wheels.
You hit it on the head large Tyers in the hands of Competent drivers ......... yeah in my experience there's not many of them these days
If you don’t spend five hours doing a fifteen minute job, fatigue will not be a problem.
There’s way more to it than just recovering the vehicle. Think about their whole day
Tyres are still very much full of mud for a lot of wheel speed Matt
You're quite right Matt, in that there would've been a filmographer/DP/producer. The DP will say what they can do, the producer says yeah/nah "do this" and the filmographer does what they're told to do. I can say from experience that 24/7 and Jase Andrews + Co are led by the Producer - because Producers make the money shots happen, make no mistake; they do have a long run into investment. My brother was a former DP for film and TV - which have the added complexity and discombobulation of Directors. Being a YT can be quite simple.
Ronny was the producer here . I was A cam and we had a B cam, so only a small team .
Yeah I like working with DPS and a director but it does slow down the production.
@reconadventures9257 I thought he might be and that he’d be working with the team to make it happen. It’s a huge effort and we’ll done.
@MadMatt4WD yeah we are luck that ronny can wear many hats so it has most of that covered. Yeah everyone worked well together and went really smoothly.
It was good that the owners were not there for the recovery . To make good clear decisions we need to remove all emotion out of our decision making process. I thought emotion played a part in your sons accident therefor that may have hindered your decisions. Im not knocking any one's work, just an observation.
I think your bang on and yes it did affect my decisions upon hindsight.
Spanish windlass for the win.
Have you ever used one
“Competent driver” which isn’t what’s happening and that’s why folks are saying what they are. They aren’t ignorant they are correct. It’s easily proven on TH-cam regardless of country. That being said yes the larger tires help
Just to clarify. Are you saying lots of people are not as competent as they should be?
@@MadMatt4WDthey might be competent or not. Their driving habits and the visible damage seen in the trails and TH-cam tell a much different story. It’s all gas pedal
Maybe grab it by the upper tires to pull it over?
I have to totally disagree with this “spanish windlass” approach. How much stored energy is in that? Think spinning propeller when you misstep a foot or something and lose control of the lever. Become not only stuck but severely injured.
Best decision is wait and use your remote comms that you planned and carried before setting out 😳
I agree but I believe it can be done safer as a flip flop version. I’ve never done one but I want to have a go to learn.
You still need tree limbs and I don't see many trees in that country.@@MadMatt4WD
Pardon me Matt, your first comment about larger vs smaller tyres 2 minutes in, is misleading. Put me right off listening any further. An oversize tyre at the same pressure as a stock tyre will have the same contact patch area. It’s possible you didn’t make your point clearly enough, but the words you used suggest you think the oversize tyre has a larger contact area.
Do you typically go off in a huff when you disagree? I’ve gone back and watched what I said and I say nothing about pressure in relation to contact patch. Maybe just maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. Anyway I stand by what I was getting at. A larger tyre provides better under vehicle clearance.
@@MadMatt4WD I only mentioned pressures because you failed to mention them when you said approx 2 mins in, "a vehicle with larger tyres is going to do much less damage to the trails than a vehicle that is on smaller tyres and having to work harder". Since you don't mention pressure, only size, I wanted to point out that size alone doesn't change the contact patch area, so on what basis does size *alone* cause "far less damage to the trails"? I think it's misleading to say that size alone does "much less trail damage". It should be broadly similar. Unless we change the pressure, then it's a different story. So I think that pressure is the key, more so than size, in managing the damage done to trails. I wouldn't want to overemphasise the diff drag mark in deep mud being 1" deeper on smaller diameter tyres, as being a huge difference in damage to trails. You were speaking in generalities, so in general, most of the damage to trails is done by the tyres, which is more about pressure, vehicle speed, and wheelspin, and less about tyre size itself, IMHO.
PS you actually posted a far nicer reply 2 weeks ago (to which I was typing out a nice reply), then you promptly withdrew it. Now I get accused of "going off in a huff"?
Matt was talking about ground clearance, not contact area/pressures.
Matt, apologies but I do not agree regarding big wheels and larger tyres damaging tracks. Well, I do agree but you are looking at the situation from a responsible perspective. Where others are maybe just looking at the damage is smaller wheeled car drivers have to endure from the tracks that have been ripped up by big wheels. I think the issue here as you say, isn't the bigger wheels it is the attitude and irresponsibility of many drivers.
Yes it comes down to people for the most part. Of course certain situations a larger tyre will make it harder for a smaller tyre.
Any sign that the driver swerved to avoid a creature in the track?
No. Watch the full video linked in the discription.
Set up camp and start fresh in daylight
Have to disagree with you about bigger tires. I've lost track of the number of times I've seen vehicles with 35"+ mud terrain tires ripping up 4wd tracks and giving the general 4wd community a bad name. The extra clearance and grip simply seems to make it a challenge to see how far they can get when conditions are poor. Typically it's not the stock standard 4wd's that rip the tracks to bits and create massive wheel ruts that normal vehicles can't follow.
So is that the tyres or is it a low quality driver? From what I’ve seen is larger tyres with a quality driver do less damage.
@@MadMatt4WD Poor drivers is the main factor for sure but large MT tires seem to allow poor drivers to go further and do more damage than if they were on standard AT tyres. At least that's the case with a lot of the teenage knuckle heads around where i live 🙂
"Skull dragging" it would definitely not be a great idea Matt...dragging a car while it's locked into gear would make the winch work harder,it would put unnecessary load on shackles and recovery gear,it would also put kinetic energy into straps that would otherwise be under minimal load...not to mention the possibility of damage caused the the gearbox...I think Rhonny assessed the situation and was confident he could get into the vehicle and put it in neutral eliminating the possibility of further damage.
I usually like your videos Matt but it feels like you're getting abit desperate for content...why would you think its a good idea going around criticising highly skilled 4wdrivers like Rhonny all while admitting you have failed to do a good job recovering your sons car...???the guys travelled 40klms to go out and help recover the vehicle and you just set up your lapton and mic in the garage and criticise them using their own content.i think you should drop the idea of criticising other people's work and continue doing your own thing.
Gees I think your overthinking my motivations. Am I not able to offer a view for discussion?
And a few people have suggested the same as you and upon reflection I think I was wrong.
As for skills I think Ronnie and I would be on par with experience.
How’s that for demonstrating my recognition that I don’t know everything and I don’t get it right all the time.
Skull dragging is introducing more load to the tackle. Provided you know how to calculate loads and factor that into your tackle, it is not a problem. If you are unsure of how to calculate loads, then suggest a winching/recovery course to learn what that all means. I would be more concerned with the load placed on the parking pawl within the transmission and here I think Ronnie has taken the correct approach and disconnected Park mode.
first is why did these guys go were they should not have been. so many die each year by doing what there are not prepared to handle.
Umm why can’t they go there. I’m allowed to go there? Things go wrong.