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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Max Kellerman and Dan Orlovsky debate how much credit Philadelphia QB Carson Wentz deserves for the Eagles’ victory against the Dallas Cowboys in Week 16.
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Carson Wentz with no healthy starting receivers, no Lane Johnson, no Jordan Howard, and No Zach Ertz
and throwing to practice squad receivers against the #8 ranked defense
319 Yds
77.5 Completion %
108.2 Passer Rating
1 TD
No Turnovers
8.5 Yds per Attempt
Thank you g because I didn’t want to find it all
Max: "but he had that 1 bad screen pass! He get's no credit!"
Wentz made TWO bad throws, and Max turns that into the whole game. He made 32 other great throws, but that's not even a factor. Gtfo Max.
Dak wouldn't survive in that situation
Nothin but facts
Max is turning into Skip where Skip criticizes LeBron no matter what but instead it’s Wentz and worse 🤦🏽♂️
Tye Richmond skip critizies LeBron waaaaaayyyyyyy more
Not even close 🙄
If Wentz wins a Super Bowl Max will find 20 people who “deserve more credit” than Wentz
Tye Richmond LeBron gets criticized for having too much mayonnaise on his sandwich 😂
@@travisg736 "LeBron What Are You Doing!!!! 🤣🤣
Wentz was throwing to a banged up Zach Ertz, JJ Arcega Whiteside, Dallas Goedert, Boston Scott, and Greg Ward. Dak Prescott was throwing to Amari Cooper, Randall Cobb and Michael Gallup with a healthy offensive line and a healthy Ezekiel Elliott against a notoriously porous Eagles secondary. While the Eagles defense does deserve some credit, Carson Wentz was impeccable throughout the majority of that game. The man stepped up and played one of his best games this year under a lot of pressure.
Well said
I think the cowboys had 1 or 2 injured lineman , I could be mistaken . But either way there’s no excuse
Dragon surgery D. agreed, dallas has 4 healthy pro-bowl offensive linemen, an injury to connor williams, the weakspot of their line, doesn’t mean much when you have a mostly healthy team that’s as talented as the cowboys are.
Eagles defense deserves no credit. They literally were dropping free picks and letting people beat them deep the whole game. Besides Fletcher nobody played well.
Andrew Everson Amari Cooper 😂🤣
Orvlosky was less than a .10sec from choking Max out. No one would judge him
do you blame him?
Shoot I'd be kicking Max while Orvlosky was choking him. Dude is making a joke of himself.
Max would 2 piece dan lol. Football ain't much on a boxing guy lol
For real
Or blame him.
This how many people think Max is a hater
👇🏾
He is a realist. People are morons and homers. Wentz is not that good.
Jonn Abshire a realist doesn’t gloss over 20 rapid fire facts that disprove their point
He is the biggest hater
@@JonnyAbs-0 max is a Giants homer
@@JonnyAbs-0 to be honest with an argument like this you sound like a hater as well.
Horrible argument by Max
Derrick Battle agreed
He is scared to give Wentz credit because of the stuff he’s been saying. Bottom line is Wentz went into that game and came out the best player of the game
There are throws only Wentz and Mahomes can make? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Joe Shaloom wentz is capable
Makes for good entertainment.
Max is always criticizing somebody. If it’s not Carson Wentz, then it’s Tom Brady. 🙄
He always starts off as “I’m a Wentz fan” than starts criticizing da fuq out of him💀
A Rebel With A Cause well Stephan A always criticizes da top black Athletes😭lol
He legit should never be allowed to talk football ever again on any platform
@@RobbieStacks90 does he have tyreke hill mecole hardman and sammy watkins
@A Rebel With A Cause He's Jewish? Kellerman sounds Irish to me...
All of these comments aged terribly and Max's argument aged like fine wine. Crazy.
Max has realized to become a popular analyst you need to become a character. He forces bad arguments and takes on purpose. He decided to adopt the skip route
Yeah i agree with some people don't realize it's a debate show 🤷🏾♂️
And still fails at it
At least skip is funny when he does it smh
Carson just beat (on paper) one of the most talented teams in the league with a practice squad receiving core while throwing for over 300 yards, a TD, and didn't turn the ball over once. That is borderline impossible. This man could find the cure for cancer and Max would still hate him.
They had one good offensive drive. The rest was the defense and the running game. They only had 17 point against the defense that mad trubisky look like Arron Rodgers.
Cowboys are trash...not impressed by any Carson wenz win
You guys are just as bad as Max 😂🖕
@@9doggie12 Missed two FGs and Sanders could've easily scored, but didn't.
Not really on Carson
This game could've easily been a 2 to 3 TD win by the Eagles... all the bonehead play calls on 3rd/4th and 1 while driving... 2 missed FGs by Elliot which then swings to 2 FGs by Kai Forbath.. the breakaway run by Sanders and sliding... Cowboys were dominated in this game simple
Maximum Hater Kellerman is at it again...
More like a honest, prophet...🤷🏻♂️
Didn't Max say a couple weeks ago that the Eagles Receivers drop passes ON PURPOSE because they don't like Wentz and Wentz leadership. Do the Dallas receivers hate Dak now? Is his leadership questioned?
Ahem....Maxwell. Maximilian. Explain yourself.
Thats what Dan was saying to him. No response of course.
Part of me thinks Alshon doesn’t like Wentz and he was actually doing this. Agholor just sucks...... I actually kinda like the pairing of Jackson with Ward and Cega in the slot. Hope Ertz can play through that broken rib.
The fact that Carson is playing better with the backup players kind of proves Max's point. The best thing for Carson's to clear out the entire locker room and work with new Talent who never won a Superbowl with the different
@@ineedhoez Max said Receivers were dropping passes ON PURPOSE because they DID NOT LIKE Carson. Dallas is leading the league in drops. Following his own logic then the Receivers on Dallas DO NOT like Dak. Believing in that logic is stupid and makes no sense. Example why would the Receivers in Dallas not like Dak. There is no reason to believe Dak has a terrible relationships with his wide outs. The other point why would Eagles players DROP PASSES ON PURPOSE. For example Nelson Agulor is in a contract year. Following whatever logic that is in Max head. Nelson would sabotage his own career and an opportunity to improve his financial standing not only with the Eagles but also other teams in free agency. To follow that thread he thinks that Nelson would sabotage himself on purpose and make himself look bad only to sabotage Carson to make Carson look bad and therefore prove the point that Max brings up every four seconds of his waking like that "Oh man the Eagles like Nick Foles, Nick Foles won a Superbowl. I like me some Nick Foles. I wouldn't mind being cucked by Nick Foles because he's Nick Foles blah blah blah". His argument makes zero sense and he's only doing it to be a contrarian. Nothing more. He's Skip Bayless. Trolling just to troll. The injuries give it away. Tom Brady and his weapons get a pass, the Steelers get a pass, the Eagles defense gives up 37 to Miami yet it is all Carson's fault. Enough is enough.
NFC west in 2010 was the worst
Ikr no one ever talks about that Seahawks went 7-9 and went to the playoffs
Moe Elder nah in 2014 my panthers won the division at 7-8-1 we and that division was horrible
Moe Elder it did give us the “beastquake”
@@UHOH_415 yeah true but that was one of the worst playoff team in history
Everyone seems to forget about this 🤦🏿♀️
Max is low-key annoying here
Low-key?
Extremely high key annoying
Max's hate is funny. Seeing Dan and Marcus Spears mad all the time is amusing.
High key af
Why?
The two loudest most disruptive people were actually silent. Molly and SAS starting off positive in the comment section today.
Give molly time. She’ll mess it up.
Rob Cranston 😂
That's cause nobody cares bout max and Dan orlovsky arguing 🤣🤣
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that the Browns were considered Super Bowl Candidates❗️
by who?
Austin Madore I never thought do a second the worst franchise in sports had a chance to have a super bowl season. Just because you did doesn’t mean everyone did. I’m noticing people unnecessarily use the word LiTeRaLlY to sound smart. You’re saying literally everyone did when that’s completely false. I did not and would not ever. Just be accountable for your stupidity.
😂😂😂
@Austin Madore Stephen A didn't.
@@WutTheDeuceGaming Neither did Deion Sanders.
I am a Cowboys fan but Dan is 98% correct. Max has proven time and time again that when he is incorrect on an issue, he just doubles down on his incorrectness! Take Tom Brady as an example of my point...
Max was so right💯
Max Kellerman is never gonna give Carson Wentz any credit, he’s never gonna give Tom Brady any credit. So, this came as no surprise to anybody
Doesn’t give credit to Dallas goederts career high game
Dan Orlovsky's stat is a little wrong. Carson Wentz isn't the only QB in the NFL to have 30 straight completions in three straight games. He's the only to do that WITHOUT throwing an INT. 13 have ever done it, including Kurt Cousins who went four straight games last year, who threw two picks along the way.
Nice
WITHOUT AN INTERCEPTION? CLEARLY he's saying without an Int! Stop playing
@@daejaunhogue3501 Nah he wasn't. Hommie was just wrong
If Wentz was Black no way Max would be picking him apart like this. It's why nobody should take this guy serious. Listen to the guy who played the game Max.
Yall complain when we bring race into anything now yall dont wanna keep the same energy
@@edp-gb6yz I had to say it today. It's so obvious it's a joke. Later on in the show today shortly after this segment Max brought up skin color when it came to Dak and his contract. The man is obsessed with it and he needs to be called out. It ruins the show.
Brando I mean he’s just speaking how the league owners see the players. Race issues at the quarterback position has been a part of the league since its beginning. It’s the face of your franchise so it’s okay to bring it up. To harp and use it to make all your points isn’t that productive though. At the quarterback position though it’s always been there.
Brando because Wentz is white that is why so many excuses are made for him( he doesn’t have receivers, his offensive line sucks, etc..). This dude is beating bad teams and they are praising him like he is Tom Brady
Brando I thought no know else in the world thought this. That's very perceptive.
Lol Max is just trolling at this point
People keep saying a one possession game like Miles Sanders didn't slide to run out the clock instead of scoring. Also, Jake Elliot missed two long field goals that resulted in Cowboys field goals (12 point swing). Game could've easily been 30-3.
Imagine you’re such a hater that you give credit to the cowboys dropping passes and being bad, over giving credit to the QB that cooked a pretty decent defense for 300+ plus yards and a TD. That is so disrespectful bro. Kellerman is big mad lol
huh
All of a sudden godert is excellent. But if it was Brady the sentence would be "wow he makes stars out of everyone!"
PopularNobody godert has been good as a blocker and catcher
Worst 2 Personalities in Sports Media:
#1 - Max Kellerman
#2 - Skip Bayless
Atleast skip is funny to listen to. Max is just annoying he is worst then Skip.
People love skip, skip is a legend, max is nothing like that.
@@bigfkd1981 Skip losing it.
And Nick Wright
Max was right the whole time 😂😂
Max Kellerman is nothing more than a hater.
And a sports analyst don’t forget that just cuz you’re mad
This is an idiotic argument by max. Just really bad. I love how he goes to the McNabb vs Wentz argument but won't bring up the fact that McNabb had a great defense when he went to all the NFC championship games and the one Super Bowl.
A super bowl McNabb through like 85 interceptions in and quite literally cost them their first ring.
@@NCA_Azzy he threw 3 picks but I see your point lol
He forgets about the missed field goals by the Eagles and Doug's dumb play calling on two 3rd and 1's... And a 4th and 1.
Pederson has regressed mightily since the SB. He basically gave the Cowboys 6 points with his bad decisions on 4th down.
@@drlee2 Frank Reich departure really hurt him
Max Kellerman is the dollar store Skip Bayless.
Max you have no business talking about football, go back to boxing right now.
A Rebel With A Cause what 😭😭
I think this is just an act to get more drama on espn
A Rebel With A Cause nah he’s an excellent boxing analyst idk what ur talkin bout
Max is embarrassing
He’s cherry picking his argument
Oh he didn’t look as good as Jones or Keenum against each other
What about the packers or bills!?
He looked better than them against them did he not!?
He’s a clown
Max's argument is so retarded.
Id pay to watch Dan Orlovsky knock Max out.
“Weakest division of all time” - excuse me. Those Seahawks won at 7-9. Eagles already have 8 wins and beat the Packers and Bills
Max is worse than Skip. At least Skip is sometimes funny.
Max is just a clown.
Clowns are funny are they not?
IKR, but the funny thing is he thinks he right lol
crazy thing bout as wild as max segments be , he usually right
Carson wentz played with no WR’s!!!! He played better then Dak!!!! I hate Max’s criticism of this man!!!!
Wow max is a joke Carson Wentz just carried this banged up Eagles team and he still won’t give Wentz any credit at all
Max is obviously riding this “hate on Wentz” wave for ratings now. Maybe just for the sake of debating. It’s getting old and tired.
This is max 2nd worst football take since the Brady fell off a Cliff comment
ummmmm
Didn’t age well huh ?
Imagine this scenario. Eagles play the Ravens
Pre game Max: “the eagles are going to get trampled and Wentz will throw three picks!”
Eagles win 23-20
Post game Max: “Wentz is not a top ten QB. The Ravens were playing terrible all game.”
I swear Max never gives credit where it deserves.
This aged soooooo well
Dak deserves a lot of blame for the loss. Carson deserves a lot of credit for the win. Simple as that. Max is just chugging that haterade. Cowboys need to tank next year and get Trevor Lawrence.
This aged perfectly. Max was right. Miss him on the show
Instead of letting The Facts inform his Opinion, I think Max comes to his Conclusions First, then Tries to Alter The Facts to make them Fit His Narrative.
Excellent comment. 👍👏👏
I still find it hilarious how Dan Orlovsky is analyzing professional football.
Hilarious and depressing
Max says he’s hard on Wentz because he holds them to a higher standard...now he’s officially become a Carson Wentz hater because he got the job done with people most of us have never heard of
Didn’t the Eagles beat two playoff teams in Buffalo and Green Bay?
The Packers win was a fluke. Aaron Rodgers threw a red Zone interception.
This isn’t being a “hater” it’s being a performer smh
Soo many people misconstrue analyzing vs being a hot take personality. Well said
I love all these Philly fans defending Wentz here and now can’t say a good thing about him
1) Wentz is officially better than Dak, no argument to be made.
2) Wentz has wan 3 straight divisional games with 2 starting wide receivers one a rookie, one a practice squad player.
3) Wentz beat the Dallas Cowboys (which no one said we’d win) with Jordan Howard and lane Johnson our.
Nick Foles >>>>>Carson Wentz
More talented doesn’t necessarily mean better, Dak has a better résumé than Wentz but no one is arguing about CW’s talent.
No he isn't
Bryan Foles got benched for Minshew 😂😂😂
Man I was waiting for SAS to step in, with his usual first statement to Max, “You’re wrong and here’s why, I’m gonna tell you.”
Max is right and people call it hating. All we heard about was the dropped passes yet dak and the cowboys were not given this excuse for not performing. His guys got open and balled out so wentz get all the credit when they win but none when they lose? Nah. However I'll say this. Wentz made some good plays. If he wins in the wildcard then no more criticisms can be made
What do you mean Dallas had a full starting defense out there his argument is contradictory and it doesn't make sense
Ladies and Gentlemen;Saint Max Kellerman
Max is probably the worst football analyst in sports history. Has ZERO credibility when talking about anything NFL related.
The GOAT I’m mean, Skip exists but yeah he’s pretty close
Max’s face in the thumbnail got me rolling 😭
I think Max got a man crush on both CW and TB on the down low lol
Does everyone not remember the dark days of NFC west when the Seahawks won the division with a 7-9 record? It wasn't that long ago
Hey espn Mike Thomas broke a 17 year old record enough with the Cowboy and Patriot 🐓 riding
The Saints and their fanbase are crybabies, screw them.
One guy has actually played and one hasn’t, I’ll listen to the guy who has actually been in a locker room
Howie Carson Yeah idiots will respond to that: “BuT hE rAn OuT oF tHe EnD zOnE fOr A sAfEtY 0-16 LiOnS hE sUcKeD.”
Amiright lol
Max is ridiculous
Joel Ortiz for somebody who hates Trump so much Max sure loves using all the same argument tactics
Max didn’t even know Sanders name 6 weeks ago and he’s calling him a star 🙄🙄🙄
Max I use to like u because I’m a boxing fan as well but ESPN turned u into a fraud
Carson Wentz: “Can I get a single weapon???? Dez Bryant? Antonio Brown?”
Eagles Front Office: “greg ward jr, take it or leave it.”
So Ertz and sanders aren’t weapons now I love wentz but stop disrespecting my team and ward is a beast
keith Cheee it’s just a joke 😭 And I’m not knocking ward jr I’m actually complementing him. I’m just saying that it’s odd an NFL team would purposefully decide to start a practice squad guy over making a very possible veteran signing. Ward is good, and so are ertz and sanders.
Greg Ward is playing great football so I guess is working out
When is it gonna be revealed that it was Ryan Hollins in a Max Kellerman costume this whole time?
I’m surprised Max didn’t credit this win to Nick Foles
little did we know max was actually right
Max is reason i stopped watching. If i want a hater, i go to skip. The orginal is always better than the copy. Can the guy espn!
I knew he was gonna find something bad about Wentz
Max is the worst. Asking if there’s a racial component to Dak not getting paid. Bro, Dak can’t play when it matters...period. If I were the GM I would franchise Dak and draft a new QB. Or trade Dak.
Yeah he said that later in the show. It's why he needs to be replaced on the show. When I heard that I turned the channel and watched Shannon and Skip.
Why aren’t we shitting on Dan Orlovsky for leading a Detroit team with Calvin Johnson to an 0-16 record?
Carson really did play a solid game idk why max is hating so much it's getting out of control
Cause he's a Giants fan and would rather die on his mountain than admit he's wrong
He played a solid game. Hes not the reason they won, he just didnt lose the game for them. Thats maxs point.
@@elchapojrkimgofthetrap2180 true his arguments are straight trash at this point
@@williammatthews8684 how can the QB of the winning team be the 7th reason that team wins??
@@elitrimbur2675 easy, there is more than one person playing for the eagles. He didnt make any mistakes. His play was pedestrian, and there were other players on offense making plays while wentz was playing scared to lose.
Max is a tv creation like Skippy.
I swear Dan is gunning for Max’s job
31-40 320 yds that’s pretty above average
Weakest division of ALL TIME? The only division where every team has won a Super Bowl? C’mon Max...
Sana Sunia you do realize they are talking about this season...right?
Max off while segment besides that part it is the worst
At least the winner of the division is going to finish with at least a 500 record. This guy has zero knowledge of history and doesn't realize that the 7-9 Panthers won the NFC South in 2014 and the 7-9 Seahawks won the division in 2010.
Bobby Meade at 1:31... Max literally says, “Candidate for weakest division of all time”. Doesn’t get more explicit than that.
Weird because 5 minutes ago everyone was telling me the patriots are handed 6 wins per year by the weakest division ever. It’s almost like these pundits are blowing smoke
I like how Max keeps repeating that the NFC east is he weakest division ever. Yet just a few years ago the Carolina Panthers won the south at 7-8-1 and went on to compete in the SB the following year. Not to mention the Seahawks won the west at 7-9 less than a decade ago, and also went on to compete in superbowls, and win one.
Could have been a two score game but the Eagles have class unlike you 🤯🤯🤯
Who is here after Jalen Hurts took over as the starter?
Max just doesn’t like wentz n thts 📠
Nick He is not exactly, Max just bashes _white_ quarterbacks whenever he gets the chance lol
Remember, this is a business. ESPN needs you to watch a debate. So someone has to take the other side. This is all a show. A reality show for me. I wonder when society will stop caring what random people yell about.
100% right. Shows are for ratings. Its make believe. If you watch a show of Law and Order and get on youtube saying " The judge is wrong, blah blah." It's almost the same thing. Shows are for entertainment
Max was right all along lol.
After hearing Max’s asinine argument, u can see why ESPN & SAS want Skip back
I can’t listen to Max talk about basketball and football anymore when he can’t even defer to people who have played in the league. Legit, it’s like if Dan Orlovski debates him in boxing and decide not to listen to Max’s expertise opinion. I just never saw him being this stubborn until this year (minus the TB12 cliff).
You have to check the style of offense they played it wasnt a cliff but more of decline period yes they won the super bowl but besides dink and dunk to Edelman on option routes he didnt do anything. So yea it started to show slowly
breezy3127 who does TB12 have to throw deep since Randy Moss? You don’t want him to dink and dunk? Give him some options. And I’m not even a TB12 fanboy.
@@michaelwou1667 before Randy Moss he didnt and he still stretched the field with Jabbar Gaffney and so many other small names prior to Randy Moss. The thought everyone had was when Brady got moss they are definitely going to the superbowl because it was seen as you have one of the best qbs in Tom Brady...because he made his recievers household names..mix that with Moss it's unfair.
@@michaelwou1667 the fact that you're asking what recievers Brady has had since Moss is proof of a sign of decline because he made his receivers better than they are
Orlovsky is incredible talent! ESPN is lucky to have him
Why is everyone complaining about max not giving credit to wentz he does the same with brady i been saying it for so long i dont think he should be in this show he needs to stick to boxing
First thing you have to remember this show is for entertainment
Looking at the opening day depth chart, Wentz is without his top 4 WRs, his top 3 RBs, his RT, his LT is a shell of his former self, his TE out most of the game, and yet he elevated the play of everyone around him. That's a franchise all pro QB.
Max be like: Carson wasn't perfect so he's terrible!
ok i’m a giants fan but carson is an extremely good qb and this criticism is ridiculous
Max stop it
Max dug himself into a hole and refuses to get out
X WR1 Jeffrey
X WR2 Jackson
X WR3 Agholor
WR4 JJ - Rookie
WR5 Greg Ward - Practice Squad
WR6 Davis Practice Squad
X RB1 Howard
RB2 Sanders - Rookie
X RB3 Clement
X RB4 Sproles
RB5 Scott - Practice Squad
RB6 Ajayi - Off Streets
TE1 Ertz - banged up during game
TE2 Goedert
TE3 Perkins - Practice Squad
X Pro Bowl RT Lane
Everyone forget the Seahawks went to the playoffs at 7-8-1 I dont want to hear it's the weakest division MAX
And Tebow won a division at 8-8 lol
Phil Metcalf That’s the 2014 Panthers you were talking about. The Hawks were 7-9 in 2010
Dan Orlovsky knows good quarterbacks like he knows the boundaries of an endzone
Max Kellerman: "Carson Wentz has fallen off a cliff."
Are we not going to talk about daks shoulder that he couldn’t throw in practice for like 4 days
Well the coach shouldn't have had him throw 45 times in the game, if his shoulder was "hurt". 🙄
leafsfan1728 dak put himself in ...he’s the definition of tough .... but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter because he lost it for the team ... but if that didn’t happen to him he would have won it for them
3:54 thought dan was bought to smack max to knock some sense into him
His best receiver is a ex college quarterback and he put up 31-40, 319 yds, and a td... case closed
DJ Whitlock they beat Dallas, not San Francisco calm down.
Carson Wentz “GALVANIZED”the troops as Max would say 😂😂😂 where is this debate now? if it was nick foles, THATS THE FIRST THING HE WOULD SAY!!!
Facts. Someone needs to play this video side by side with his foles videos where he goes crazy over how amazing foles is for winning close games with bad receivers