u/CuteSexyRwby is who made the thumbnail Edit: here's the link www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/mtmzqm/when_im_gone_theyll_just_find_another_monster/? Edit 2: this is NOT clickbait. I thought the thumbnail looked cool and was relevant to what I was doing. Anyone with a brain can read the title and realize it's not a recreation. Stop harrassing me about it
I just realized that when Dutch says “we gotta stop meeting like this”, it’s a callback to John/Dutch/Micah’s stand-off on a similar mountain in rdr2. They really found a way to tie every little detail together..
@@beatsgamer9918 not "every" detail, there's some discrepancies Main one is that the Marshall in Armadillo says he's been Sheriff for 25 years....yet there's no sheriff in 1907
Also when he says “we can’t fight gravity”, in RDR2 said something similar before jump off the cliff into the river when the army were chasing him with Arhur
John was the first person to start questioning dutch and his ideas, even before Arthur and Hosea ever did. He knew where everyone's lives were headed long before they ever did
@@dylh2967 no john is Stupid He did not take care of his son from the beginning John was an idiot Thanks to hosea and Arthur They were the ones who took care of his , little Jack
Fun fact: there's a book in RDR2 in Dutch's tent, I believe when you first arrive at Horseshoe Overlook, about a preacher and his dying brother that quotes "you can't fight your nature."
This game gets deeper and sadder when you finish playing RDR2, I finished RDR1 3 times in mid-2014/2015, but now after playing rdr2 you feel it gets more exciting and heavy
It really pains me that a lot fans of RDR2 were never interested in RDR2 and aren’t even interested in playing it. I remember buying RDR1 on launch in 2010 when I was 11. Unreal how much time has passed
@@gleam6370 to be fair, unless you're on Xbox it isn't easy to play the first. You need a PS3 or Xbox 360 to play. PS4 and PC players are out of luck this way. Xbox users have it through backwards compatibility though. A game can be great but not worth the hastle of finding the hardware needed and a copy of the game
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I’ve played Red Dead Redemption 1 on PSNow on the PS4. It isn’t as perfect as it would be on the XBOX360 (I’ve seen footage and hell, that game looks beautiful on that console), but if you have a descent internet connection it works rather well. I’ve had a subscription of a month, and that was more than enough time to play both Red Dead 1 and Undead Nightmare. So I think PSNow would be a pretty good alternative instead of buying a PS3/Xbox360
I hate when people think that this cliffside speech is Dutch remembering Arthur. To dutch, everything, arthur, the gang falling apart and everything that came with it was never his fault in his eyes, when its blatantly obvious it is his fault. thats what dutch means by "we cant fight nature, change or gravity" Dutch knows he needs to change, like John did to survive. But doing so would mean admitting that he was wrong, and that those deaths are his fault but "I cant give up neither, I cant fight my own nature." because its not in his nature to change; but in order to escape this time, to live, he has to change. "thats the paradox john, You see?" and because dutch cant fight change, or his own nature, he lets gravity end him, Something else that you cant fight.
I never took it to mean that. I took it to mean Dutch reflecting on his own life and choices. Hes "remembering Arthur", but more so because he remembers everything. I think it's because Roger Clark said that idea once
Sorry but you’re so off base. It is HEAVILY implied at the end of r2 that Dutch DOES regret how everything turned out with Arthur and the gang, specifically when John asks what he’s doing in the mountains with Micah and he replies “same as you I guess.” He wanted to avenge Arthur. And in reguards to John, the sad parallel is that he also can not change, because the sins of his past keep pulling him back to gunslinging, that’s the point Dutch is trying to make, that’s why he says OUR time is past, not HIS time. John is not a reformed man, you can even see that in the epilogue of R2. Although I do agree that Dutch knows he can’t conform to modern society, even if it means death. But you also have to remember that any hope he had to live a normal life was long gone when he killed all those influential people. Like John, his past keep him from being able to change.
I like the parallels between John and Dutch's confrontation in RDR2's epilogue with their final scene together in RDR. In RDR2's epilogue, Dutch has John at gunpoint on a snowy mountain and could've shot him, but decided to holster his gun despite everything. Now John has Dutch at gunpoint here and could've shot him as well, but decided to holster his gun despite everything.
Dutch's goal was getting Micah, not John. If you notice he comes out with two revolvers, but then he holds one and the other hand is at his side. He was counting on Micah not noticing. He even says he's there for the same reason John is
@@pastor3271 if you notice, he comes out with two guns, but is only pointing one initially, holding his hand behind his back. That one comes up and he shoots Micah. It's clear to me also by his "same reason as you, I suppose" his goal was killing Micah and was going that either for saftey or for keeping the illusion up
When i was 6 or 7 i saw my neighbour playing a game in the wild west shooting people and riding a horse, this game was stuck in my mind but i never knew what game it was. Last year i played Red Dead Redemption 2 and loved the game so much that just some days later i bought the first Red Dead Redemption just to see how things would go for John, and when i played i realized that it was the game i always had in my mind, this made playing the game more special than it could ever been and playing it after playing RDR2 made it much more emocional.
Sort of unrelated but the same thing happened to me with the movie tombstone. I was around 4-5 scrolling through channels and saw two cowboys one twirling a pistol and another twirling a cup. Some ten years later i watched tombstone and finally see Johnny Ringo and Doc Holliday doing the same thing.
I know the endings of both, and have seen a lot of prominent story moments. Currently playing RDR2 for the first time, and then doing the first. Can't wait.
"you can't erase the past John; killing me, it won't make it go away" is the quote I always thought was the warning That's far more applicable to the truth of why everything happens; you did their dirty work but you're still a criminal.
@@couchpotatoeshorts1570 Hey man you can't expect me to be smart. What me get defensive over something when it turns out I'm an idiot who made a typo? That's insane!!! (heavy sarcasm there, whoops on my ability to read)
“I got a plan John..” “This is a good one..” Dutch jumps off the cliff to his death Years earlier in 1899: “I got a plan Arthur..” “This is a good one..” Arthur and Dutch jump off the cliff into the Dakota River
Prettt sure he even mentioned how you can’t fight gravity in his little speech to the soldiers before jumping off the cliff too. Really super well tied together.
He also uses the same thing John says to him on the mountain in RDR2 "Dutch! Killing me won't change nothing!" "You can't erase the past John, killing me, it won't make it go away!"
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I think it summarizes the theme of the red dead series as a whole. People can change, or rather, become more of what they truly are. Whether that be redemption, or the furthering of one's savage nature. But regardless of whatever it is, one thing will always remain constant, and that's what you've done. Can't change the past
Theres alot of words that is repeated on rdr2 like "its either us or him" dutch said that to john and then on rdr john said that to javier but he changed it a lil bit
I think Dutch suffered the worse out of the whole gang knowing he failed them all and didn’t listen to anyone else but himself and let those closest people to him go astray or die and he had to live with that for so long he has forgotten who he once was.
@Rasha That's why pride is so dangerous. Dutch wasn't evil. He just couldn't accept that he was responsible for the downfall of the gang. He knows it, everyone else knows it, but dutch can't bring himself to admit it.
Everyone conviently forgets that Dutch was permanently messed up and changed after he hit his head in the trolley during the Saint Denis escape. The man very well could have come to his senses and seen the light if it weren't for that. He's a victim, just as much as any of the other gang members.
@@MemeinAndDreamin Trolley theory is dumb. Dutch was the same prideful, egotistical monster he has always been. Red Dead 2 is about how his facade of a well put together man slowly falls away.
The RDR saga is not a fairy tale, it tells us the harsh reality that even if you have the best intentions in the world, having that life in the end only leads to death, that the only thing they could do is seek their redemption, die as someone honest, not die like a murderer, the scene of Dutch saying "I have a plan" is the most emotional of the moment, remember when Arthur and Dutch fell from the ravine with that phrase was beautiful, these games are simple works of art, no Current game can be compared to the wonderful story that rockstar created, it may be the most criticized company but its stories are magnificent
I think the line that best encompasses the meaning behind them is "you can't erase the past John; killing me, it won't make it go away". Redemption isn't justice, and that line says it best. You can redeem yourself but you still did bad things
*RDR1 Remake that fans have been asking for even before RDR2 release* Rockstar: I sleep *A re-remaster of GTA 5 for PS5 that absolutely no one asked for* Rockstar: ReAl ShIt!
“I got a plan, John” fuck that stung. I know people hated Dutch come the end of RDR2 and rightfully so, but I personally always loved him in a way. Like a mentor or father to start, and then come the end it was more bittersweet, like letting go of someone. He genuinely did everything possible for the gang, he fought and fought and fought no matter how crazy it made him seem or what it cost him. And in a way, his rantings and ravings about the world weren’t ever incorrect. He was warped, yes, but never entirely wrong. I really wanted so badly to trust in his plans, but everything closed in no matter what Dutch did
Dutch was right when they said they'll just finde another monster for shadowing John's death but in the end they just creat a bigger badder monster one that craves vengeance for his fallen family.
@@comradeskipper5232 Arthur dies on top of a mountain looking at the sun rising peacefully succumbing to his illness to later be buried with love by the people he loved, and have his grave be maintained and full of flowers years and years after he died, and visited by people that loved him Micah dies shot to death by people that hate him, on top of a snowy mountain that makes it hard for his body to decompose, so his body just stays there, never buried, never cared for, facing the ground and disfigured, decomposing slowly and alone for the rest of time, already forgotten by the people who hate him, forever abandoned
This is a new level of heartbreak to some degree after playing the second game because it just makes you feel bad for both of them that it got to that point
I remember being happy dutch died when i first played in 2010 but when i just finished replaying it, im just sad. Same thing with killing Bill after see how he is in 2. Its like putting down an old dog.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions True, this game is amazing for being over a decade old and RDR2 definitely elevates this game's story even further. However, if this came out as a direct sequel to RDR2 (RDR2 being the first installment of the series in this case), I can't imagine the fan reception being good. If RDR ever got a remake, what would you want them to change/add?
@@fetusdeletus788 expanded epilogue for Jack would be one, or just having him play more of a role in the main game. In RDR2 continuing as John made sense just in the confines of that game alone. I wouldn't want the ending to feel so out of nowhere either as I think that kills the pacing in a way. The story feels done after killing Dutch. More Dialogue for continuing a side mission as Jack. There's some (I have a video on it) but most don't have any difference. Some like Jenny's Faith u understand, ones like Eva In Peril I don't (both don't have any difference in dialogue yet Eva in Peril I could see continuing as Jack and making sense) Mentions of the other gang, however not a lot. I think for the most part it's ok, but some times I would just slip in a mention of Arthur
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I hate to say it but John's death did feel kinda... out of left field? Like you said, after your final confrontation with Dutch and riding back to your ranch with the Compass song playing in the background. The game felt complete and I half expected the credits to roll when John reunited with his family once again. After that, you just do chores and spend quality time with your family before John's death. On the subject of Jack, I saw a TH-cam poll recently on the best RDR protagonist which had thousands of votes. If I remember correctly, Jack had the lowest amount of votes (even below Harlow). Rockstar barely put any effort on Jack's character in the epilogue. He has one special mission and that's it. The rest of the side missions is him reciting John's dialogue word for word. At least in RDR2, when you do a side mission as John instead of Arthur, he has unique dialogue and interacts with the character differently. How about the gang members you chase (Bill, Javier and Dutch)? You wouldn't give them more spotlight or stuff to do? For the entire plot being about hunting them down, they seem underdeveloped and barely have any screentime.
@@fetusdeletus788 actually what's interesting is Jack has more script differences than John. John's only script differences are if he continues a side mission. Jack has actual different dialogue for them. Some it's minor (you signed an oath vs you took an oath) though. John's death feeling random is why I would change the pacing. I agree with how it ends 100%, but if I did it, the Ranch chapter would be the epilogue, and Jacks time be the "endless summer" mode. Feels more appropriate that way IMO I feel the gang members have the right amount of presence actually
I love how they incorporated so many quotes from this game in Red Dead 2 because instead of a Cowboy hunting down people he apparently used to be in a gang with, it turns into a reminder of the past, with it turning into Dutch recalling the mountain killing of Micah and John's further avenging of Arthur
"With me gone, they'll just find another monster." One of Dutch's problems from RDR2 is that he didn't realize that if Cornwall wasn't backing the Pinkertons, it would just be some other rich white old guy. But here at the end, he's finally learned all the lessons that Arthur learned before he passed.
When they started filming this scene Benjamin Davis (Dutch) was on a mat raised about a foot off the ground. He started to slip and basically unintentionally fell when saying 'out time has passed' I remember him saying that story, your comment reminded me of it
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I remember he said it at a comic con “our time has passed” while falling backwards as fast as he can. I still laugh every time I imagine it in my head
Dutch was holding on to something that was long gone. Arthur, John, Hosea, everyone was trying to tell Dutch for years. But he didn’t listen. Wasn’t till that moment on the cliff that he realized he was chasing an empty dream and that he was fighting nature. And you can’t fight nature, so he decides to just let it take him. And he acknowledged the fact that there time had passed for good.
I think a lot of people fail to see that this is the moment Dutch was forced to confront the truth. He was in denial and fought against it for so long that the only time he came out of his delusion was when he was literally backed up against a cliff. When he finally saw what everyone he used and stepped all over, like Hosea and Arthur, were right all along about the world changing and their way of life ending he ultimately couldn't face it in the end. Rather than face the truth and be taken by the changing modern world he went out as an outlaw in his own version of his own world. Dutch truly was a coward all the way up until his end.
I don't think it's that. That's how Clark saw it. The way I saw it was more broad: he remembers everyone. He remembers how his fighting and his plans have killed off everyone he's known and pushed him insane. His whole life all he's done is fight. He can't stop, his paradise of the wild west is what he wants. It doenst matter, his time has passed, he has no more purpose or desire. He can't fight John, and for once in his life he gives up He realized the truth, and the truth set him free. To make it just about Arthur undermines all of that
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions this seems to the strike it better my friend I've heard Roger himself talking about that so ,I thought that it's for real but anyway Thanks for sharing my outlaw brother
@@Dutch_van_der_Linde_1899 oh I heard him talk about it too. But he didn't write it, so he's interpreting it just like we would. Plus the more minor thing is that this speech wasn't written when Arthur exsisted, so I'm basing what he's saying based on that. Though I will admit after the second game what he's saying here becomes a lot clearer and I feel way more what he says. Also I have some round trip tickets to Guarma, you want them?
Notice how Dutch escapes out of a cave like Arthur and John in RDR2, but he falls to the depths of it but Arthur and John rise to the top (but John descends it later for his family).
He wanted to keep his lawless west alive. It drove him to no longer having any morals and recruiting Native Americans to continue a fight that they knew they already lost. On the cliff is when it hits him; it was all for nothing. You can't fight change
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions absolutely. I respected Dutch, especially in early chapters but as soon as he said that Arthur and John were the rats, I knew he was out of his mind.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions it makes sense. Dutch read Evelyn Miller's books and in the side mission in tall trees he clearly states "you can't fight your own nature"
Seeing as Dutch is an amazing marksman and probably taught Arthur/John the deadeye trick, I think Dutch missed all those shots on purpose. He wanted John dead at one point, but now, it doesn't matter. The fabric of the gang's already broken, he'd gain nothing from it besides losing a son.
Oh John, you should have listened. Dutch might have been insane in the end, but he wasn't wrong about the Pinkertons. There was no way they were going to let you walk away after all of that. Not when there was something for them to gain from it.
Its sad that that Dutch died , he wasn't really a bad person he just let the money get to him when it came to saving john from the train and he redeemed himself by shooting micha
It wasn't the money, it was John doubting him. Based on what I can tell it's not the money for Dutch, it's keeping his wild west world alive. There was no reason to let John die, even if it's about the Money Dutch just backed off and did nothing; he did it because he wanted yes men. This is why he left Arthur behind in the oil wells. He had the money, he left Arthur because Arthur doubted him
1:48 this hits hard with these lines "When I'm gone They'll just find another Monster they haft to because they have to justify their wages" "Our Time has passed John"
It made me sad to see Dutch lose his mind slowly in RDR2 and by rdr1 he is already gone. Nothing but a broken man. Dutch was a great character in both games sometimes I think that when him Arthur and Micah were on Guarma he started to lose his mind. And Micah manipulated and whispered poison in Dutch's ear and Hosea's death was the final nail in the coffin of the man Dutch van der linde used to be
Am I the only one that kind cried when Dutch died because just the way he accepts his fate and just tells john how he tried to change and fight life but couldn't do it and tried to save john in the process
If they ever make a Red Dead 3, I would like it to be playing as Dutch between the events of Red Dead 2 and Red Dead 1. The epilogue of RDR2, he just walks off with no explanation. I wanna see the Blackwater massacre, dammit!
Imo if you want to see the Blackwater Massacre, it would make more sense to play as Mac Callander. All the quotes in the game about him state that he was kind of a low honor outlaw, but he still had some charm to him; we could play as Mac and experience the true Wild West by being a true bad outlaw, and the ending would be him getting captured, interrogated and shot by Agent Milton following the Blackwater Massacre, and we can see what finally happened. The low honor ending could be the more suitable for him, and his act of redemption could be him holding off the Pinkertons and Bounty Hunters in Blackwater whilst the gang escapes. The epilogue would have you play as Arthur; the first part of the epilogue would be the gang in Colter, and the second part would be the gang moving to Horseshoe Overlook and would end within the two weeks between arriving at Horseshoe Overlook and the start of the first mission there. Could really complete the whole series by doing that imo plus we could see the gang in their prime.
I just noticed that the gun Dutch was holding the entire was his old revolver. The gun in his holster is a more modern pistol, which we don’t see him use in this scene. When he reaches the cliff he throws away his revolver, this could symbolise Dutch finally accepting that the Wild West is over. That’s just something I thought was interesting.
Well a remaster of this game is impossible. The engine they used (an in-between of GTA IV'S and V's, a RAGE 2.5 if you will) was incredibly unoptinized and had several issues. Getting it to work at all was an accomplishment. This is why it didn't receive a PC port BTW A remaster wouldn't exactly work since you'd have to update the game and it's in a bad state already. And a remaster kinda exsists already on current Xboxes A remake is more likely
I mean Benjamin Davis (Dutch) was only a four above ground shouting this so it just ragdolls. What's funnier is one take he slipped when saying "our time has passed", which would have been hilarious
Personally I think his warning is earlier "You can't erase the past John; killing me, it won't make it go away" That seems a little more applicable to what happens, at least the way I see it
I like to picture that the spirit of Arthur fell with Dutch like in rdr2. Thinking that Arthur freed his soul from the person that raised it up to begin with, knowing that his time passed long ago.
u/CuteSexyRwby is who made the thumbnail
Edit: here's the link
www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/mtmzqm/when_im_gone_theyll_just_find_another_monster/?
Edit 2: this is NOT clickbait. I thought the thumbnail looked cool and was relevant to what I was doing. Anyone with a brain can read the title and realize it's not a recreation. Stop harrassing me about it
Hey I cannot find the profile can you help me?
@@x.DarthVader.x updated to include the link
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions hey what are you on to make this video like a xbox or what because I want to find out how to record on xbox
@@couchpotatoeshorts1570 Xbox One. You basically just need a USB 3.0 drive plugged in. There's many tutorials out there
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions thanks I was wondering
I just realized that when Dutch says “we gotta stop meeting like this”, it’s a callback to John/Dutch/Micah’s stand-off on a similar mountain in rdr2. They really found a way to tie every little detail together..
They wrote this first, so it ain't a "callback" really
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions still great they thought every single timy detail tho
@@beatsgamer9918 not "every" detail, there's some discrepancies
Main one is that the Marshall in Armadillo says he's been Sheriff for 25 years....yet there's no sheriff in 1907
Also when he says “we can’t fight gravity”, in RDR2 said something similar before jump off the cliff into the river when the army were chasing him with Arhur
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions doesnt mean hes served as a sherrif in the same town for 25 years. Sherrifs can move to other towns
“Dutch! Killing me, won’t solve nothing!”
“You can’t erase the past, John. Killing me? It won’t make the past go away!”
I feel that's Dutch's warning to John. It better says why they still went after John despite doing their dirty work
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions it didn’t make a difference anyway he doesn’t want to risk getting his family killer if he fought back against them
He see everyting more clearly at the end,just like Arthur.
And hosea
No he didn't see it at the end imo, he always saw it, he just acknowledges it for the first and last time.
Well after that he didn't see a thing when he got shot or stabbed
John was the first person to start questioning dutch and his ideas, even before Arthur and Hosea ever did. He knew where everyone's lives were headed long before they ever did
@@dylh2967 no john is Stupid He did not take care of his son from the beginning
John was an idiot
Thanks to hosea and Arthur
They were the ones who took care of his , little Jack
The way Dutch says "killing me won't make it go away" almost sounds like he's trying to hold back tears as he says it. Anyone else think the same?
He realized there is nothing he could do to change anything. He most likely regrets what he did during the events of the second game.
Voice cracks 😂
Bruh its a voice break
That’s just his voice/accent
Notice how Dutch‘s voice always starts to fade away at the end of his sentences like: „You can‘t stop me now Jₒₕₙ“
Fun fact: there's a book in RDR2 in Dutch's tent, I believe when you first arrive at Horseshoe Overlook, about a preacher and his dying brother that quotes "you can't fight your nature."
Yeah the book is writtten by Evelyn Miller, who Dutch praises for talking about the fall of civilization and the coming of the new age.
@@foodafen7406 Miller even says this himself when you have to leave food near his cabin.
This game gets deeper and sadder when you finish playing RDR2, I finished RDR1 3 times in mid-2014/2015, but now after playing rdr2 you feel it gets more exciting and heavy
The quote that gets me is "you can't erase the past John; killing me, it won't make it go away"
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I felt that, it's like in epilogue when John says "Dutch, killing me, won't solve nothing"
It really pains me that a lot fans of RDR2 were never interested in RDR2 and aren’t even interested in playing it. I remember buying RDR1 on launch in 2010 when I was 11. Unreal how much time has passed
@@gleam6370 to be fair, unless you're on Xbox it isn't easy to play the first. You need a PS3 or Xbox 360 to play. PS4 and PC players are out of luck this way. Xbox users have it through backwards compatibility though.
A game can be great but not worth the hastle of finding the hardware needed and a copy of the game
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I’ve played Red Dead Redemption 1 on PSNow on the PS4. It isn’t as perfect as it would be on the XBOX360 (I’ve seen footage and hell, that game looks beautiful on that console), but if you have a descent internet connection it works rather well. I’ve had a subscription of a month, and that was more than enough time to play both Red Dead 1 and Undead Nightmare. So I think PSNow would be a pretty good alternative instead of buying a PS3/Xbox360
I hate when people think that this cliffside speech is Dutch remembering Arthur. To dutch, everything, arthur, the gang falling apart and everything that came with it was never his fault in his eyes, when its blatantly obvious it is his fault. thats what dutch means by "we cant fight nature, change or gravity" Dutch knows he needs to change, like John did to survive. But doing so would mean admitting that he was wrong, and that those deaths are his fault but "I cant give up neither, I cant fight my own nature." because its not in his nature to change; but in order to escape this time, to live, he has to change. "thats the paradox john, You see?" and because dutch cant fight change, or his own nature, he lets gravity end him, Something else that you cant fight.
I never took it to mean that. I took it to mean Dutch reflecting on his own life and choices. Hes "remembering Arthur", but more so because he remembers everything.
I think it's because Roger Clark said that idea once
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I can see it like that
Well said buddy 👏
Pride at it's maximum
Sorry but you’re so off base. It is HEAVILY implied at the end of r2 that Dutch DOES regret how everything turned out with Arthur and the gang, specifically when John asks what he’s doing in the mountains with Micah and he replies “same as you I guess.” He wanted to avenge Arthur. And in reguards to John, the sad parallel is that he also can not change, because the sins of his past keep pulling him back to gunslinging, that’s the point Dutch is trying to make, that’s why he says OUR time is past, not HIS time. John is not a reformed man, you can even see that in the epilogue of R2. Although I do agree that Dutch knows he can’t conform to modern society, even if it means death. But you also have to remember that any hope he had to live a normal life was long gone when he killed all those influential people. Like John, his past keep him from being able to change.
Dutch got more Screen time on his death smh
What happened to your sense of style bro? Went from a casanova to Speedy Gonzales
@@redvice6210 Being on the run makes you into a rat.
@@redvice6210 😂Speedy Gonzales
Thanks for helping Arthur and Charles save me btw
Well you had the option to live so....
I like the parallels between John and Dutch's confrontation in RDR2's epilogue with their final scene together in RDR. In RDR2's epilogue, Dutch has John at gunpoint on a snowy mountain and could've shot him, but decided to holster his gun despite everything. Now John has Dutch at gunpoint here and could've shot him as well, but decided to holster his gun despite everything.
Dutch's goal was getting Micah, not John. If you notice he comes out with two revolvers, but then he holds one and the other hand is at his side. He was counting on Micah not noticing.
He even says he's there for the same reason John is
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions he was pointing gun at John and Saidie, they both were pointing their guns at Micah
@@pastor3271 if you notice, he comes out with two guns, but is only pointing one initially, holding his hand behind his back. That one comes up and he shoots Micah. It's clear to me also by his "same reason as you, I suppose" his goal was killing Micah and was going that either for saftey or for keeping the illusion up
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions nah, he was there for the money.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions he thinks johns there for the money
"you always got a plan dutch"😂
"you always were a fine speaker Dutch"
"I was"
This is a good one
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions Bitch you on a reply rampage over there, relax your cheeks
YOOOO ADRIAN
@@whacklp6120 shut up. He can do whatever he pleases to.
When i was 6 or 7 i saw my neighbour playing a game in the wild west shooting people and riding a horse, this game was stuck in my mind but i never knew what game it was. Last year i played Red Dead Redemption 2 and loved the game so much that just some days later i bought the first Red Dead Redemption just to see how things would go for John, and when i played i realized that it was the game i always had in my mind, this made playing the game more special than it could ever been and playing it after playing RDR2 made it much more emocional.
That's a great story, very heartwarming. I'm glad you found the game you have been remembering
Sort of unrelated but the same thing happened to me with the movie tombstone. I was around 4-5 scrolling through channels and saw two cowboys one twirling a pistol and another twirling a cup. Some ten years later i watched tombstone and finally see Johnny Ringo and Doc Holliday doing the same thing.
I’m glad that I played RDR2 before RDR1, it just made everything more emotional
ATM the only way to play RDR. It's fantastic.
I know the endings of both, and have seen a lot of prominent story moments. Currently playing RDR2 for the first time, and then doing the first. Can't wait.
I think that if u play rdr2 before rdr1 it makes rdr1 more boring
@@ObeyLuckyyy oh yeah that’s definitely right, plus I’d rather look for Gavin than do more horse breaking missions
@@ObeyLuckyyy that’s so wrong
1:48 (music intensifies)
"When i'm gone, they'll just find another monster.." 💔
"They have to, because they have to justify their wages."
"That's their business."
“Our time has past John”.
It’s sad. I didn’t really think much of Dutch when I played rdr1 but playing rdr2 makes it sad
He was warning john about whats coming for him he cared but in his own wag
"you can't erase the past John; killing me, it won't make it go away" is the quote I always thought was the warning
That's far more applicable to the truth of why everything happens; you did their dirty work but you're still a criminal.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions you cant erase the last didnt he say past
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions no I just said that because you said it in your comment
@@couchpotatoeshorts1570 Hey man you can't expect me to be smart. What me get defensive over something when it turns out I'm an idiot who made a typo? That's insane!!!
(heavy sarcasm there, whoops on my ability to read)
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions eh I think I'm the stupid one here correcting someone that is way more successful in life then me (btw good video)
“I got a plan John..” “This is a good one..”
Dutch jumps off the cliff to his death
Years earlier in 1899:
“I got a plan Arthur..” “This is a good one..”
Arthur and Dutch jump off the cliff into the Dakota River
His plan was if we're dead already they can't kill us lol
When dutch fell off that cliff it reminded me of him and Arthur jumping off the cliff into the river
They did so well with these games
Prettt sure he even mentioned how you can’t fight gravity in his little speech to the soldiers before jumping off the cliff too. Really super well tied together.
When the time comes you gotta run and Dont look back
Even Dutch tried to warn him when he died
I love how he just falls and ragdolls down.
I just noticed that he uses same words as Arthur : « our time is passed »
He also uses the same thing John says to him on the mountain in RDR2
"Dutch! Killing me won't change nothing!"
"You can't erase the past John, killing me, it won't make it go away!"
@@danestambaugh255 that quote to me is Dutch's true warning. If you think about it, that's what happens
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I think it summarizes the theme of the red dead series as a whole.
People can change, or rather, become more of what they truly are. Whether that be redemption, or the furthering of one's savage nature. But regardless of whatever it is, one thing will always remain constant, and that's what you've done. Can't change the past
Dutch here “all I’ve ever done is fight”
Arthur to Mrs downes
“all I know how to do is fight”
Theres alot of words that is repeated on rdr2 like "its either us or him" dutch said that to john and then on rdr john said that to javier but he changed it a lil bit
We're NOT criminals, we're OUTLAWS
-Dutch Van der Linde
This is very emotive... Except for Dutch's fall
He just ragdolls pretty much
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions Exactly xD
@davey jones Exactly xD
@davey jones well it's more realistic, mountains aren't usually shear cliffs, just look at how you fall down them in rdr2 or skyrim
@@charlespc that profile picture that's Jonathan Reid from vampyr
Damn this theme fits so well
Outlaws manipulated and killed by the government, times are changing, the gangs disbanded
Because that’s the way it is
I think Dutch suffered the worse out of the whole gang knowing he failed them all and didn’t listen to anyone else but himself and let those closest people to him go astray or die and he had to live with that for so long he has forgotten who he once was.
@Rasha That's why pride is so dangerous. Dutch wasn't evil. He just couldn't accept that he was responsible for the downfall of the gang. He knows it, everyone else knows it, but dutch can't bring himself to admit it.
Everyone conviently forgets that Dutch was permanently messed up and changed after he hit his head in the trolley during the Saint Denis escape. The man very well could have come to his senses and seen the light if it weren't for that. He's a victim, just as much as any of the other gang members.
He was afraid of John because he reminded him of his past and mistakes
@@MemeinAndDreamin Trolley theory is dumb. Dutch was the same prideful, egotistical monster he has always been. Red Dead 2 is about how his facade of a well put together man slowly falls away.
@@MemeinAndDreamindutch was always prideful selfish and evil he just became who he truly was after he abandoned John in the heist
"You'll never take me alive, John!" vs. "You'll never take me alllllliiiiiiivvvvveeeeeee"
The RDR saga is not a fairy tale, it tells us the harsh reality that even if you have the best intentions in the world, having that life in the end only leads to death, that the only thing they could do is seek their redemption, die as someone honest, not die like a murderer, the scene of Dutch saying "I have a plan" is the most emotional of the moment, remember when Arthur and Dutch fell from the ravine with that phrase was beautiful, these games are simple works of art, no Current game can be compared to the wonderful story that rockstar created, it may be the most criticized company but its stories are magnificent
I think the line that best encompasses the meaning behind them is "you can't erase the past John; killing me, it won't make it go away".
Redemption isn't justice, and that line says it best. You can redeem yourself but you still did bad things
2:18 me when I start having a falling dream and wake up
U ain’t funny
The theme was perfect
I'm suprised how well it fit. It makes the scene feel more emotional
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions what's the soundtrack?
@@mmttm04 it's an instrumental of the low honor version of That's The Way It Is
"Our time has passed, john." *Suddenly remember the gang when they together
The feels on this part man 0:35 Jesus christ
Well I guess this is it
Watch this in 2x speed and it is comedy gold 😭
The thumbnail is the RDR remake the fanbase deserves...and the one we need right now.
*RDR1 Remake that fans have been asking for even before RDR2 release*
Rockstar: I sleep
*A re-remaster of GTA 5 for PS5 that absolutely no one asked for*
Rockstar: ReAl ShIt!
@@diegonin5181 Haha so accurate
@@diegonin5181 true af man I wish we would get a rdr remake maybe it will get revealed at E3 or something.
@@diegonin5181 or atleast a remaster with rdr2's engine
@@MK-zw1xp but it'll take a few years to redo the engine since its the most complicated version of rage
“I got a plan, John” fuck that stung. I know people hated Dutch come the end of RDR2 and rightfully so, but I personally always loved him in a way. Like a mentor or father to start, and then come the end it was more bittersweet, like letting go of someone. He genuinely did everything possible for the gang, he fought and fought and fought no matter how crazy it made him seem or what it cost him. And in a way, his rantings and ravings about the world weren’t ever incorrect. He was warped, yes, but never entirely wrong. I really wanted so badly to trust in his plans, but everything closed in no matter what Dutch did
Dutch was right when they said they'll just finde another monster for shadowing John's death but in the end they just creat a bigger badder monster one that craves vengeance for his fallen family.
Interesting, Dutch dies falling of a mountain, Arthur dies on top of one.
Micah dies on top of the mountain too
@@Fahad.Alqasim in the snow, with his head facing the ground
arthur died on top of the mountain looking at the sun thinking of all his good times
@@comradeskipper5232 and Dutch fell to the bottom
@@comradeskipper5232 Arthur dies on top of a mountain looking at the sun rising peacefully succumbing to his illness to later be buried with love by the people he loved, and have his grave be maintained and full of flowers years and years after he died, and visited by people that loved him
Micah dies shot to death by people that hate him, on top of a snowy mountain that makes it hard for his body to decompose, so his body just stays there, never buried, never cared for, facing the ground and disfigured, decomposing slowly and alone for the rest of time, already forgotten by the people who hate him, forever abandoned
Ross meets young jack in a river
Jack kills Ross in a river
I like how for me, personally "you always got a plan" connects to the 2nd one. With Dutch always saying "I have a plan".
This is a new level of heartbreak to some degree after playing the second game because it just makes you feel bad for both of them that it got to that point
I remember being happy dutch died when i first played in 2010 but when i just finished replaying it, im just sad. Same thing with killing Bill after see how he is in 2. Its like putting down an old dog.
It's a good thing this game came first. If they were released in reverse order, this game would be panned
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions True, this game is amazing for being over a decade old and RDR2 definitely elevates this game's story even further. However, if this came out as a direct sequel to RDR2 (RDR2 being the first installment of the series in this case), I can't imagine the fan reception being good. If RDR ever got a remake, what would you want them to change/add?
@@fetusdeletus788 expanded epilogue for Jack would be one, or just having him play more of a role in the main game. In RDR2 continuing as John made sense just in the confines of that game alone.
I wouldn't want the ending to feel so out of nowhere either as I think that kills the pacing in a way. The story feels done after killing Dutch.
More Dialogue for continuing a side mission as Jack. There's some (I have a video on it) but most don't have any difference. Some like Jenny's Faith u understand, ones like Eva In Peril I don't (both don't have any difference in dialogue yet Eva in Peril I could see continuing as Jack and making sense)
Mentions of the other gang, however not a lot. I think for the most part it's ok, but some times I would just slip in a mention of Arthur
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I hate to say it but John's death did feel kinda... out of left field? Like you said, after your final confrontation with Dutch and riding back to your ranch with the Compass song playing in the background. The game felt complete and I half expected the credits to roll when John reunited with his family once again. After that, you just do chores and spend quality time with your family before John's death.
On the subject of Jack, I saw a TH-cam poll recently on the best RDR protagonist which had thousands of votes. If I remember correctly, Jack had the lowest amount of votes (even below Harlow). Rockstar barely put any effort on Jack's character in the epilogue. He has one special mission and that's it. The rest of the side missions is him reciting John's dialogue word for word. At least in RDR2, when you do a side mission as John instead of Arthur, he has unique dialogue and interacts with the character differently.
How about the gang members you chase (Bill, Javier and Dutch)? You wouldn't give them more spotlight or stuff to do? For the entire plot being about hunting them down, they seem underdeveloped and barely have any screentime.
@@fetusdeletus788 actually what's interesting is Jack has more script differences than John. John's only script differences are if he continues a side mission. Jack has actual different dialogue for them. Some it's minor (you signed an oath vs you took an oath) though.
John's death feeling random is why I would change the pacing. I agree with how it ends 100%, but if I did it, the Ranch chapter would be the epilogue, and Jacks time be the "endless summer" mode. Feels more appropriate that way IMO
I feel the gang members have the right amount of presence actually
I always wondered why Dutch was wounded in this cutscene. I didn't get a chance to shoot him in most of my playthroughs.
Apparently when he was firing his gun it broke and like blasted back at him but idk
He was just freezing. Look at his clothing and the enviroment xD
John Marston you’re my childhood hero god bless you you magnificent man
Maybe he pulled somethin in his arm while climbing all those ladders so quickly.
I always thought it was the explosion
"who ordered a cold extra large dutch van der linde?"
That would me a Mr. Ross who did
I love how they incorporated so many quotes from this game in Red Dead 2 because instead of a Cowboy hunting down people he apparently used to be in a gang with, it turns into a reminder of the past, with it turning into Dutch recalling the mountain killing of Micah and John's further avenging of Arthur
"With me gone, they'll just find another monster." One of Dutch's problems from RDR2 is that he didn't realize that if Cornwall wasn't backing the Pinkertons, it would just be some other rich white old guy. But here at the end, he's finally learned all the lessons that Arthur learned before he passed.
This hits extremely different.
playing red dead games feels like watching a beatiful and tragic movie
He should have tied his shoes
When they started filming this scene Benjamin Davis (Dutch) was on a mat raised about a foot off the ground. He started to slip and basically unintentionally fell when saying 'out time has passed'
I remember him saying that story, your comment reminded me of it
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I remember he said it at a comic con “our time has passed” while falling backwards as fast as he can. I still laugh every time I imagine it in my head
Dutch was holding on to something that was long gone. Arthur, John, Hosea, everyone was trying to tell Dutch for years. But he didn’t listen. Wasn’t till that moment on the cliff that he realized he was chasing an empty dream and that he was fighting nature. And you can’t fight nature, so he decides to just let it take him. And he acknowledged the fact that there time had passed for good.
I think a lot of people fail to see that this is the moment Dutch was forced to confront the truth. He was in denial and fought against it for so long that the only time he came out of his delusion was when he was literally backed up against a cliff. When he finally saw what everyone he used and stepped all over, like Hosea and Arthur, were right all along about the world changing and their way of life ending he ultimately couldn't face it in the end. Rather than face the truth and be taken by the changing modern world he went out as an outlaw in his own version of his own world. Dutch truly was a coward all the way up until his end.
"And the truth will set you free"
Boss: You're fired.
Me internally: 0:00
One of the best stories written for a game
Roger Clark stated that at the edge of the Cliff , Dutch remembers Arthur and their gravity plan jump
Emotionally linking the 2 games together
I don't think it's that. That's how Clark saw it.
The way I saw it was more broad: he remembers everyone. He remembers how his fighting and his plans have killed off everyone he's known and pushed him insane. His whole life all he's done is fight. He can't stop, his paradise of the wild west is what he wants. It doenst matter, his time has passed, he has no more purpose or desire. He can't fight John, and for once in his life he gives up
He realized the truth, and the truth set him free.
To make it just about Arthur undermines all of that
Also, did you have a god damn plan?
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions I had a God damn plan
The one with Arthur was better
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions this seems to the strike it better my friend
I've heard Roger himself talking about that so ,I thought that it's for real but anyway
Thanks for sharing my outlaw brother
@@Dutch_van_der_Linde_1899 oh I heard him talk about it too. But he didn't write it, so he's interpreting it just like we would. Plus the more minor thing is that this speech wasn't written when Arthur exsisted, so I'm basing what he's saying based on that.
Though I will admit after the second game what he's saying here becomes a lot clearer and I feel way more what he says.
Also I have some round trip tickets to Guarma, you want them?
"you can't erase the past John" sadly for John that was true
"People don't forget, nothing is forgiven"
-John Marston 1911 Rdr1
I know I'm late but why is no one talking about this iconic meme 0:58
Notice how Dutch escapes out of a cave like Arthur and John in RDR2, but he falls to the depths of it but Arthur and John rise to the top (but John descends it later for his family).
Arthur died at top of mountain while Dutch is on the bottom.
Micah died at the top of one too. More like Arthur died looking at the sky, Micah died looking at the floor and Dutch died looking at a side
Cycle repeats itself with Jack Marston.
*"When I'm gone, they'll just find another monster; they have to, because they have to justify their wages"*
This music actually fits really well
It really brings out what Dutch must be feeling
It’s kind of sad how Dutch had such a wise and philosophical mind but was driven crazy after months of stress and mental illness
He wanted to keep his lawless west alive. It drove him to no longer having any morals and recruiting Native Americans to continue a fight that they knew they already lost. On the cliff is when it hits him; it was all for nothing.
You can't fight change
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions absolutely. I respected Dutch, especially in early chapters but as soon as he said that Arthur and John were the rats, I knew he was out of his mind.
Dutch Great Villain
Everything in RDR hits as hard as a train after playing RDR2 istg
You know 99% of us starting singing "that's the way it is.......". Good work!!
We really didn't
We never did.....
And after all that they still killed John Arthur knew they don’t forget
i cried when dutch died because he looked like he actually regret everything he did
first words in the video
"SON OF A BITCH, GOD DYAMN IT"
The quote "i can't fight my own nature" came from Evelyn Miller the book writer
Reverse that idea, this game came first
Instead that line is a callback to this moment
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions that's not the point because RDR2 was in 1899 and RDR1 after that.
@@some15 RDR was written first. To say that quote here is a callback would be incorrect. In RDR2 it's a callback
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions it makes sense. Dutch read Evelyn Miller's books and in the side mission in tall trees he clearly states "you can't fight your own nature"
Seeing as Dutch is an amazing marksman and probably taught Arthur/John the deadeye trick, I think Dutch missed all those shots on purpose. He wanted John dead at one point, but now, it doesn't matter. The fabric of the gang's already broken, he'd gain nothing from it besides losing a son.
I don't think so
Yeah, I doubt that. Because minutes before Dutch was legit trying to kill John.
Oh John, you should have listened. Dutch might have been insane in the end, but he wasn't wrong about the Pinkertons. There was no way they were going to let you walk away after all of that. Not when there was something for them to gain from it.
Its sad that that Dutch died , he wasn't really a bad person he just let the money get to him when it came to saving john from the train and he redeemed himself by shooting micha
It wasn't the money, it was John doubting him. Based on what I can tell it's not the money for Dutch, it's keeping his wild west world alive.
There was no reason to let John die, even if it's about the Money Dutch just backed off and did nothing; he did it because he wanted yes men. This is why he left Arthur behind in the oil wells. He had the money, he left Arthur because Arthur doubted him
1:48 this hits hard with these lines
"When I'm gone They'll just find another Monster they haft to because they have to justify their wages"
"Our Time has passed John"
It made me sad to see Dutch lose his mind slowly in RDR2 and by rdr1 he is already gone. Nothing but a broken man. Dutch was a great character in both games sometimes I think that when him Arthur and Micah were on Guarma he started to lose his mind. And Micah manipulated and whispered poison in Dutch's ear and Hosea's death was the final nail in the coffin of the man Dutch van der linde used to be
The song in the background makes it even more sadder
he probably survived knowing his character
Am I the only one that kind cried when Dutch died because just the way he accepts his fate and just tells john how he tried to change and fight life but couldn't do it and tried to save john in the process
Considering how many teared up based on the comments, nope
The fall at the end is more realistic than you might normally see in games and movies. It only adds to the scene.
True, it does kind break the mood though
I like how dutch smiles when John says "you always got a plan dutch"
If they ever make a Red Dead 3, I would like it to be playing as Dutch between the events of Red Dead 2 and Red Dead 1. The epilogue of RDR2, he just walks off with no explanation. I wanna see the Blackwater massacre, dammit!
Imo if you want to see the Blackwater Massacre, it would make more sense to play as Mac Callander. All the quotes in the game about him state that he was kind of a low honor outlaw, but he still had some charm to him; we could play as Mac and experience the true Wild West by being a true bad outlaw, and the ending would be him getting captured, interrogated and shot by Agent Milton following the Blackwater Massacre, and we can see what finally happened. The low honor ending could be the more suitable for him, and his act of redemption could be him holding off the Pinkertons and Bounty Hunters in Blackwater whilst the gang escapes. The epilogue would have you play as Arthur; the first part of the epilogue would be the gang in Colter, and the second part would be the gang moving to Horseshoe Overlook and would end within the two weeks between arriving at Horseshoe Overlook and the start of the first mission there. Could really complete the whole series by doing that imo plus we could see the gang in their prime.
out of all the members of the gang .. dutch is the only one who went out on his own terms like an absolute boss
The way the song goes before he falls almost made me cry, I almost started tearing, because of the keyboard sound
That was unintentional actually. I just used an instrumental and used the cutscenes almost frame perfectly cut. It just naturally cut out at that time
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions well it was pretty good video, we all enjoyed it thank you for this happy new year bro...
This scene is so emotional, but I can’t help but laugh every time Dutch hits the side of the cliff.
This old man is spitting facts
I just noticed that the gun Dutch was holding the entire was his old revolver. The gun in his holster is a more modern pistol, which we don’t see him use in this scene. When he reaches the cliff he throws away his revolver, this could symbolise Dutch finally accepting that the Wild West is over. That’s just something I thought was interesting.
Idk what is up in this clip but every other video and even when i played it has been his C93 in hand and he throws that completely disarming himself.
@@greatwargaming2924 Huh, that’s weird. It might be an animation you get if he uses all his ammunition? It could just be a glitch though
i miss the good times i miss the times when they all were with eachother and alive 😭😭
Our time has passed john = Nuestra era ya paso john
Yet rockstar still wanna remaster GTA V ( a game with good graphics anyway ) instead of this masterpiece
Well a remaster of this game is impossible. The engine they used (an in-between of GTA IV'S and V's, a RAGE 2.5 if you will) was incredibly unoptinized and had several issues. Getting it to work at all was an accomplishment.
This is why it didn't receive a PC port BTW
A remaster wouldn't exactly work since you'd have to update the game and it's in a bad state already.
And a remaster kinda exsists already on current Xboxes
A remake is more likely
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions idk, I just want them to stop just caring about GTA and actually do something with red dead. Even just online
They’ll milk gta5 forever
@@itzcody86 fr
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions that’s what a remaster is right? a remake
Nice video the music goes perfectly with it
"I gotta plan this is a good one" dutch says in the second rdr game when Arthur and him jump off the mountain away from the army on the water
The thumbnail make me think of RDR Remake if it ever gonna happen lmao
The sound of Dutch hitting the cliff side always makes me laugh.
I mean Benjamin Davis (Dutch) was only a four above ground shouting this so it just ragdolls.
What's funnier is one take he slipped when saying "our time has passed", which would have been hilarious
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions our time has p- WAIT JOHN NO THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE EMOTI-
Lmao a serious moment up until Dutch hits the side of the cliff and ragdolls. Lol
Should've t posed his way down
Dutch said the same words when he was surrounded by soldiers on the cliff
"They'll just find another monster"
Then they go after Jonh...
Personally I think his warning is earlier
"You can't erase the past John; killing me, it won't make it go away"
That seems a little more applicable to what happens, at least the way I see it
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions
Yeah that's true
Dutch: I’ve got a plan… this is a good one *proceeds to make a speech and jumps off mountain*
What about Tahiti and the Anthropology :(
(Btw, I love that even before RDR2 he was a great character... His death still hurts.)
This is why i always greet Dutch except micah
I like to picture that the spirit of Arthur fell with Dutch like in rdr2. Thinking that Arthur freed his soul from the person that raised it up to begin with, knowing that his time passed long ago.
The way Dutch ragdolls always got me
The ragdoll physics always make me laugh
It would be so fucking good if this was how it accually looked like and then hearing the same music with Arthur to show you you failed
This is my first time seeing Dutch with the cattlemen gun when I always play rdr1 he had that one gun
Idk why he does. John has the pistol because I had it equipped in his weapon wheel I assume
Are you sure its the cattleman revolver? Isn't it the second automatic pistol?
@@chief5604 yeah when I played rdr1 i always see him with a AutoMatic pistol but in the video he has the cattlemen revolver
@@straynameless1983 oh
dutch's exact same speech when he and arthur was trapped by the army near fort wallace
Nope; it isn't the same speech. They make similar points but they are different speeches