I'm an operations lead deicer here at DTW, and let me tell you, deicing in freezing rain poses the biggest complications. During that kind of precip, were no longer spraying to remove contaminants; we are spraying to heat up the metal of the aircraft to a temperature that will break the bond between the surface and the ice that's forming. It's really a race against the clock, and you can dump a huge amount of fluid on a single aircraft. Not only are we racing against the freezing rain, were also working in tandem with all the trucks spraying the other sections of the plane. One truck may be quicker then another, so you have to keep spraying before you're anti icing step can start. All trucks need to be ready to go to that second step at the same time, and the flight crew need to configure for the final fluid application with the quickness. Some points I wanted to add to this video. Not as a pilot, but as a seasoned deicer at a cold weather airport: There are 1 step procedures, which is type 1 only, and a 2 step procedure, which is type 1 and then usually an anti icing fluid like type 4. Depending on the weather, that 2nd step can be type 1 as well; type 1 is heated, and because it warms the metal, it does provide a small hold over time. So a 2 step procedure that uses type 1 for both steps. Theres also a staggered 2 step procedure, which is the predominant method we use. We deice the wings...then have the flight crew configure for anti ice, then we anti ice the wings...then we move to the tail section and switch back to deicing, and finish up with anti icing the tail control surfaces. Staggered deicing is quicker and more efficient then just deicing the whole aircraft first..then driving back around and getting into position for anti ice. Part of training to be a deicer, we learn our roll in the 5 step process. The deicing process consists of the de/anti icing..and then the post application checks. Which can be either a tactile or a visual check. Hard wing aircraft like CRJ200's require a tactile, whereas a 700 does not. Pre take off checks and pre take off contamination checks are performed by the flight crew both before and after their hold over time has expired. This is a point deicers need to know because if a plane comes back for a respray, it may not be because of missed contaminants. Type 1 fluid's chemical properties are what makes it work so well for deicing. It lowers the freezing point of water, causing it to melt. Type 4 fluid on the other hand, has physical properties that make it work the way it does. On a molecular level the polymers that make up type 4 are like long noodles, that settle into a net like structure on the surface of a wing. That net creates a physical barrier over the wing that prevent ice from forming on the wing. Because of how its designed, that net wont move unless acted upon, usually by the rate air travels over it at take off speeds. The fluid will shear off the back taking any contaminants with it. Deicing an aircraft isnt just putting fluid onto the plane. We have to deice a certain way; front to back, leading edge to trailing edge, top to bottom, wing tip to wing root, inboard and out board, as well as symmetrical. Anti icing applications will always start at that particular airlines representative surface. Usually the captains wing tip. This surface represents the oldest fluid on the plane, and pilots will observe that surface throughout their taxi to ensure the fluid hasnt failed. These are just a few points I thought about while watching this video. Great job putting things into perspective from a pilots point of view! You did forget to tell your viewers that you take selfies with the deicers when they are by the nose deicing, but I'll let it slide :)
Marcus Malone thanks for your service, quite ‘unknown’ by too many, but the FOOKER, 100,,,200 HAD WET WINGS, so as they landed, became SPONGES in high RH AREAS, driving was of much importance, as a few welt down after take off due to this problem., NO LONGER MADE. Cheers from NJ
@@bk8541 The mix is determined by the freeze point you want to set. The higher amount of water in the mixture the higher the freeze point. In the old truck, I use to deice in, we would have to set the freeze point the day before. The newer trucks can set the freeze point on demand and adjusts to the outside air temperature. So in short the de-icing crew is responsible to make sure the fluid is set to the correct freeze point.
I'm a de-icer at O'Hare Intl. Airport. Type 1 we heat between 185 to 200 F. and we use Type 4 not Type 2. I'm guessing the different for Type 2 would be for passenger planes.
I live in Canada, where deicing is regular from perhaps as early as September through to March or April or even later each year. So, I admire the deicing Crews, and the way they get the job done so quickly and efficiently and safely..
Love your videos in general, Mentour, but two highlights: 1. Your opening greeting always brightens my day. Very nice. 2. Your various pets are so fun to watch. 3. Excellent audio quality. Wait, that's three highlights. I can't count. Better take a course from Brilliant!
Dear Captain,I find your videos wonderful making me wish I was young enough to begin Pilot Training. This is too late for me but I still thoroughly enjoy your videos. You are a professional whether flying or video taping and editing.Thank you from North Idaho, USA
few years ago I was a De-Icer at Kilm. Gosh what a blast. A diesel power super-soaker. We had modern "enclosed buckets", then the older "open buckets", funny most of us preferred the open buckets over the enclosed. Watching your video, thought I was back in class again, please keep up the great vid's.
I have to say this guy has such a great voice and very calming way of explaining any topic he covers in his videos. I wish I had someone like him when I was training for my private pilot's certificate (aka _Private Pilot's License_ outside the States.)
Aleatha Vogel back in the day,,my ATP license was a British issued one as I had lived in aCrown Colony, but was scratched by a medical, so changed my profession., cheers from NJ USA
How nice, my flight in Dec 2019 had to be de-iced because it was snowing. It was the type 2 de-icing and the pilot kept us inform on what was going on out there. Since I was on a window seat with the view of the left wing I watched the de-icing crew do their thing. Thank you for all the hard work you do to make these videos, they're very informative.
Excellent informative video.I’m flying out of Sweden and although I have seen the deicing process many times I can’t ever recall seeing different colours! Regarding the MD 80 crash at Gottröra SAS fitted a thin wire just above wing surfaces to facilitate checking for ice.
GOLDBAND45rpm Thats possible. The non-colored fluids are harder to work with because you have hard time confirming correct application because the fluid is light straw color. The colored are better, you can "spray until it's green"
Always learning something to new from you. So matter of fact yet so captivatingly interesting. Keep it up! Happy to continue supporting you even though I'm never gonna get into the aviation industry...
Great video! I work in the aviation industry and love finding out about many of the different aspects of the business. Thank you for creating this very interesting and informative channel.
As usual amigo, you hit the nail on the head. Excellent delivery of information concerning De-Icing. This is a big deal and one that is rarely accounted for and incorporated into our departure flight times. Your clear and concise description of the deicing process, especially from the flight deck perspective, will hopefully get shared with the holiday travelers this year. It would be nice if more winter travelers understood the de-icing process, and its effects. Ice build-up on control surfaces is one of the top causes of private plot "GA" general aviation crashes. It is due to a lack of planning, which is so obvious to armchair pilots, yea right. These deadly crashes are the subsequent result of a lot of little errors that set the stage for a big failure. Being able to accurately assess the weather, with all contingencies planned upfront, and not to exceed your standards and personal minimums is the go, no go, talk with yourself. Do not let being behind schedule, overconfidence, and ignorance determine your fate as a passenger or crew. Those who live in colder climates, that frequently get hit with blizzards, freezing rain, and ice, have no excuse to get pissed at anyone other than who is staring back at you in the mirror. The airport professionals will do their best, but for the most part, these 5 conditions or steps of action are not negotiable, especially when life is at stake. A good mantra is: Fail to plan, is a plan to fail.
Excellent information Captain, as usual. How about a video about airplane performance on takeoff and landing on airports at sea level vs airports at high altitude (11K ft)? what aspects needed to be considered when taking off in one and landing in another? payload, fuel, speed, wind? emergency landing?
In aviation it's of course "better safe than sorry" but has there been any accidents because of that mentality? Interesting and enjoyable as always! You're really good at explaining stuff so that I (a total aviation noob with 0 flight hours and maybe 5 hours of Steam Flight sim) and many others understand.
Hi! I've watched some past episodes and today about deicing, etc. Spot on!!!!!!!! What an incredible video it is. Yes, I've done deicing before on Embraer Legacys and Embraer Lineage. I truly enjoyed this type of information and cold weather ops. Yes, I agree it is such a time-consuming process for the passengers, but safety comes first. I always say,"If I'm safe, everyone else is." Dearest public passengers, I urge you all to understand the science behind icing conditions and aviation. NASA has a lovely short course anyone can do. Wishing ya'll a wonderful evening. Best wishes Cordell Hadeed
Excellent video!! I have never ever thought about this topic, though I know the importance of de-icing a plane. But still great video and thought provoking.
Perfect timing on this video! I just finished studying this material in my CPL online groundschool, and your video helped instill the practical experience into it. Very nice!
When it is possible, I would recommend having the aircraft face into wind after pushback for deicing. When an aircraft faces into the wind during deicing, it is easier to deice the aircraft and can be achieved quicker. Both Type 1 and especially Type 4 is vulnerable to wind..
As a former de-icer we had to watch out specifically for the A330. the engine pylons have grills in them and if we got fluid on those then you'd get the smoke in the cabin.
Really liked this. Puts into perspective our coming back to canada from london about 10 years ago. We were put in queue in toronto for de-icing, which was about 1h30 because litterally every olane leaving needed it, and as we were going to the taciway our pilot said like "every single airport around Quebec City had closed due ti the ice storm and so if Qc closed while we were in the air we wouldn't have any place to land, sucks to be you, good night" and brought us back to wait 15 hours at the airport for the new departure. Did get pics of the de-icing, but didn't see any colour on it.
This. Was. Great. For me, your best. Start to finish. May you and your family have an awesome day as well! ( As an aside, Air Florida Flight 90. I watched it live...and never forgot,)
I actually flew out of South Dakota last week, early in the morning with a temperature of -20ºC. Soon after the "Line up and wait", the pilots increased engine power to take-off thrust but held the brakes for about 20-30 seconds. Now I know why.
My grandmother was at the Galapagos and her fought from Ecuador - JFK was delayed 3 hours due to the winter weather. It started out as snow then it rained and sleeted.
Huge delay in Baltimore once due to blizzard conditions, de-iced twice, finally made it onto the taxiway when the FAA mandated crew shift expired and we taxied back to the gate for the night. Wonder who loves winter ops more, crew or passengers...
Your Airline should be proud of you and pay you more as you are incredibly knowlegeable and inspire potential passengers to want to fly with someone so confident and professional. I was stuck in New York for 2 Days watching the JFK teams de-icing a 747 in Jan 1996.
You have gave me a much better understanding of de iceing a job I recently have started and I train next week great to no the basics thank you feel much better knowing a bit about it
Shout out to KSLC which has the best de-icing setup ever! Long pads at the end of each runway, aircraft pull in side by side, multiple trucks hose off the aircraft and then off you go!
Hi Petter! Cred to you for all your informative videos. I immediatly thought about Gottröra when I decided to watch this one. Clear ice on the wings was the culprit in that case so I wonder if the procedures of de-icing stems from that crash? Fortunatly everyone survived, but there was more things that had gone wrong than de-icing even though that caused the malfunction of the engines. Please do a video about that incident.
Very interesting, thank you. I have two questions: 1) Who desides to close an airport because of weather conditions? The airport itself or some higher authority? 2) Can a captain cancel/reject a flight, when he feels, thats not safe enought? Or will he get some penalty from his company? Thanks again.
1) The airport authority decides based on (Faa, TC, EASA) regulations 2) Airlines have higher weather minima, than private pilots (also known as approach bans) basically we cannot START an approach if the weather is below a predefined limit. Where as a private pilot can give it a try and hope he sees the runway. With that in mind, the captain (at large airlines) doesn't really NEED to decide as the decision has likely been made for him by the company long before his comfort comes into question.
I used to be a ramp agent for Comair, I remember deicing in the freezing cold, getting glycol in my face and mouth. It has a sweet taste by the way. The type II is green like snot and looks kinda cool when you spray it on the wings. I miss those days.
So we use a gylcol solution here in our apartment building - we put it in the heating system, so the heat pipes don't freeze when it's -40 out. You don't have to have this solution, and it is expensive to put in, but a burst pipe and no heat when it's -45 out are even more expensive, so our landlord had it put in. But... ...but the guy he hired to do it, the guy got a better job offer that day, so he went and did that, and left his 16 year old son in charge of putting the glycol into our heating system (not a straight-forward task, since it involves the boiler, etc., you gotta know what you're doing). Well this kid didn't know. So I was standing in my living room, when this hot sticky mess fell all over me! It was the heating pipe of the apartment above ours. The pipe burst, the water/glycol mix went through the ceiling, and fell onto me. It wasn't winter, it was late summer, cause ya gotta do this procedure in summer, when the boiler is off, etc. Thank god because if it had been winter boiling hot stuff would have fallen all over me. But it wasn't hot. I wasn't burnt. Just very sticky.
Dear Captain, thank you for your contribution in aviation knowledge. Just one question. What is the difference between anti-icing and de-icing? The hold over time when begins? At the end of anti or de-icing? Thank you for your prompt reply! Safe landings!
Deicing is the process of cleaning off all contaminants from the aircraft's surfaces and anti-icing is the protectant used to protect the aircraft's surfaces from having new contaminants adhere to the surface. The hold over time begins at the first spray of the second step/ first spray of the anti-icing process.
Type 1 and type 4 really don't cause corrosion as it does shear off almost entirely from the aircraft. Sometimes type 4 can get into the quiet areas but it doesn't cause corrosion as much as a sticky situation.
Articulate delivery of a fantastic presentation. I had a reservation on the Linjeflyg plane from Växjo to Bromma in January 1977 but changed my itinerary the night before. Everyone was killed on approach to Stockholm because of an icing situation on the wings. Very sad for them & their families but lucky for me.
Oh no, I'd rather be dead than face social cosequences of being late. :D Just kidding, I don't want to die in a plane. If I'm in a plane, it means I have a plan, and I want that plan to succeed. Please do take your time to help me do this even though in the grand scheme of things you don't need to know my plans.
Absolutely. It was 50f and rainy yesterday and it immediately dropped to 15f and froze up HARD. A few days before that it rained while it was about 20f (very little snow somehow) and shot down to 6f at night!!! Everything was covered in a layer of clear ice, and the rain froze right when it hit something. I thought of the craziness that would cause for pilots and airlines / airports.
Saw de-icing procedure last Tuesday in Moscow, snow fall at 5AM, my departure was at 10AM with -16°C, wings contaminated with a thin brilliant ice-snow cover just like sugar on sweets, on the taxiway the aircraft was deiced with white viscous fluid, 5 minutes later we were running on the runway, really powerful thrust and quite early rotation! Airbus A321 of Aeroflot!
Great video! Question. What if you are in the negatives, Fahrenheit, but there is no precipitation? Such as a plane that has sat at the ramp overnight in extreme cold but no snow or rain, and its an early morning flight?
Thanks for this video and for all videos, if it's possible for your next video to talk about ISA deviation , and utility for the FMC programming Thank you very much
Congrats Captain. Very good video. Question, how to check if there is ice on the engine blades in an airplane where the engine is very high? Does the airports provide equipment?
I landed at KYIP, just west of Detroit Metro last Tuesday evening. Freezing rain had just started. Runway braking action was nil and it was a slow taxi in! They closed both YIP and DTW an hour later. Quite a mess for that night and well into the next day. Great explanation of deice procedures!
I've been De Icing my jumbo jet wrong this whole time. thanks for clarification, sharing is caring ! I would be interested in some tips about prolonging the life of my radial tires. Even with the smoothest landings, they seems to have some fatigue veins.
Very indepth but equally complex information you have shared as usual. I have one question for you, since people staying on Northern side have more experience in handling cold weather, what about Pilots coming from tropical climates take decisions as you have mentioned 5 step procedures ? It must be very difficult to understand and take decisions at that time.
well the app on the ipad does everything... we just enter weather and aircraft information like air pressure, temperature, wind and take-off weight (this applies for the v-speeds)
@@JustDesignzzz and how is the TOGA set in the 738? i have Xplane11 with the zibomod 738 but can't seem to find how it can be set also, what's the used passenger average weight in your company? thank you
hello Mentour Pilot, i was wondering if you could do a video about the demand? Demand of what type airplanes need the most pilots. As well as what my be needed in the future.
Great video explaining the procedure. Seen it done in Europe but never in Australia. Doubt we have one airport with de-icing equipment. How often in winter would they de-ice the 4 runways at Calgary? Do they de-ice the aircraft at the stands or elsewhere?
Peter Lemke I had never seen that fluid used on runways, just removal, but I’d bet the use a vehicle with a turbine engined exhaust , ducted out to hit the runways., cheers from NJ
Why 6 people dislike this good Nd interesting video?, this info has been given by a professional pilot I really don't understand people sometimes. Said that, very good video, explains how is done and for safety why it must be done like that!
Hey my home airport is DTW😂yea I missed seeing the planes fly over for the time it was closed, a lot of Delta heavies fly over my house and I get some pretty cool pictures of them
Can you do a video about that United Airlines flight a few days ago that was headed to Hong Kong wound up stuck in Canada after medical emergency, and the nightmare it turned into? Guess it had a broken door, and no customs agent - so people were stuck on it for 14 or 18 hours in -20 Temps. (not sure which figure is correct as news has it both ways)
Great video as always. Definitely something you don’t think about when living in a hotter climate. Q: The pitchfork in the background? Feedback: Your Bose headset is hard to see. Black on black. Keep up the great work. Fly safe.
Question ..... Is there a specified interval for washing plane fuselages? or is it dependant on rain or schedule ? also why are there no USB ports on planes, or am I flying only on old ones :-) great channel thanks :-)
I'm an operations lead deicer here at DTW, and let me tell you, deicing in freezing rain poses the biggest complications. During that kind of precip, were no longer spraying to remove contaminants; we are spraying to heat up the metal of the aircraft to a temperature that will break the bond between the surface and the ice that's forming. It's really a race against the clock, and you can dump a huge amount of fluid on a single aircraft. Not only are we racing against the freezing rain, were also working in tandem with all the trucks spraying the other sections of the plane. One truck may be quicker then another, so you have to keep spraying before you're anti icing step can start. All trucks need to be ready to go to that second step at the same time, and the flight crew need to configure for the final fluid application with the quickness.
Some points I wanted to add to this video. Not as a pilot, but as a seasoned deicer at a cold weather airport:
There are 1 step procedures, which is type 1 only, and a 2 step procedure, which is type 1 and then usually an anti icing fluid like type 4. Depending on the weather, that 2nd step can be type 1 as well; type 1 is heated, and because it warms the metal, it does provide a small hold over time. So a 2 step procedure that uses type 1 for both steps.
Theres also a staggered 2 step procedure, which is the predominant method we use. We deice the wings...then have the flight crew configure for anti ice, then we anti ice the wings...then we move to the tail section and switch back to deicing, and finish up with anti icing the tail control surfaces. Staggered deicing is quicker and more efficient then just deicing the whole aircraft first..then driving back around and getting into position for anti ice.
Part of training to be a deicer, we learn our roll in the 5 step process. The deicing process consists of the de/anti icing..and then the post application checks. Which can be either a tactile or a visual check. Hard wing aircraft like CRJ200's require a tactile, whereas a 700 does not. Pre take off checks and pre take off contamination checks are performed by the flight crew both before and after their hold over time has expired. This is a point deicers need to know because if a plane comes back for a respray, it may not be because of missed contaminants.
Type 1 fluid's chemical properties are what makes it work so well for deicing. It lowers the freezing point of water, causing it to melt. Type 4 fluid on the other hand, has physical properties that make it work the way it does. On a molecular level the polymers that make up type 4 are like long noodles, that settle into a net like structure on the surface of a wing. That net creates a physical barrier over the wing that prevent ice from forming on the wing. Because of how its designed, that net wont move unless acted upon, usually by the rate air travels over it at take off speeds. The fluid will shear off the back taking any contaminants with it.
Deicing an aircraft isnt just putting fluid onto the plane. We have to deice a certain way; front to back, leading edge to trailing edge, top to bottom, wing tip to wing root, inboard and out board, as well as symmetrical. Anti icing applications will always start at that particular airlines representative surface. Usually the captains wing tip. This surface represents the oldest fluid on the plane, and pilots will observe that surface throughout their taxi to ensure the fluid hasnt failed.
These are just a few points I thought about while watching this video. Great job putting things into perspective from a pilots point of view! You did forget to tell your viewers that you take selfies with the deicers when they are by the nose deicing, but I'll let it slide :)
Marcus Malone thanks for your service, quite ‘unknown’ by too many, but the FOOKER, 100,,,200 HAD WET WINGS, so as they landed, became SPONGES in high RH AREAS, driving was of much importance, as a few welt down after take off due to this problem., NO LONGER MADE. Cheers from NJ
whose responsibility is the determination of percentage of liquids (100, 75/25 etc)?
@@bk8541 The mix is determined by the freeze point you want to set. The higher amount of water in the mixture the higher the freeze point. In the old truck, I use to deice in, we would have to set the freeze point the day before. The newer trucks can set the freeze point on demand and adjusts to the outside air temperature. So in short the de-icing crew is responsible to make sure the fluid is set to the correct freeze point.
Great addendum to Petter's video! Thanks.
I'm a de-icer at O'Hare Intl. Airport. Type 1 we heat between 185 to 200 F. and we use Type 4 not Type 2. I'm guessing the different for Type 2 would be for passenger planes.
Captain joe and mentour pilot colaboration... hit 👍to show our love!!!
I fully support this dream collaboration; just one video is enough for a start! What do y'all think?
Nice idea but it seems you're whipping the dead horse.
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Petter is more than man enough to stand alone. Alpha male. Drop it...
@@annnonymous9791 glad you know an alpha when you see one 👍
Thanks Captain. I am an rusty PPL (64 years old) but I am filling flying again watching your videos. And learning more and more....love your channel.
I live in Canada, where deicing is regular from perhaps as early as September through to March or April or even later each year. So, I admire the deicing Crews, and the way they get the job done so quickly and efficiently and safely..
Same. I live in Saskatoon. I always watch the de-icers, I find it fascinating.
I never realized how complex this procedure was. Thanks for sharing!
Love your videos in general, Mentour, but two highlights: 1. Your opening greeting always brightens my day. Very nice. 2. Your various pets are so fun to watch. 3. Excellent audio quality.
Wait, that's three highlights. I can't count. Better take a course from Brilliant!
Hahaha! Great, that makes me really happy to hear!
Me too, today I laughed when I noticed the devil's trident in the background.
I do love the parts with the dogs! I just saw one where Patchy was kind of getting stuck there inbetween the couch cushions, it was hilarious.
Mycket intressant och givande genomgång av avisningens procedurer och olika aspekter. Tack!!
As a de-icer. You know your stuff.
Thank you!
This guy knows everything about flying...he is on of the best....
@@kirilmihaylov1934 Chris?
Absolutely
Dear Captain,I find your videos wonderful making me wish I was young enough to begin Pilot Training. This is too late for me but I still thoroughly enjoy your videos. You are a professional whether flying or video taping and editing.Thank you from North Idaho, USA
few years ago I was a De-Icer at Kilm. Gosh what a blast. A diesel power super-soaker. We had modern "enclosed buckets", then the older "open buckets", funny most of us preferred the open buckets over the enclosed. Watching your video, thought I was back in class again, please keep up the great vid's.
Thank's for great videos. Just love the feeling of takeoff in winter with 70% thurst. You get a great feeling of the power in those engines!
I have to say this guy has such a great voice and very calming way of explaining any topic he covers in his videos. I wish I had someone like him when I was training for my private pilot's certificate (aka _Private Pilot's License_ outside the States.)
Aleatha Vogel back in the day,,my ATP license was a British issued one as I had lived in aCrown Colony, but was scratched by a medical, so changed my profession., cheers from NJ USA
How nice, my flight in Dec 2019 had to be de-iced because it was snowing. It was the type 2 de-icing and the pilot kept us inform on what was going on out there. Since I was on a window seat with the view of the left wing I watched the de-icing crew do their thing. Thank you for all the hard work you do to make these videos, they're very informative.
Excellent informative video.I’m flying out of Sweden and although I have seen the deicing process many times I can’t ever recall seeing different colours!
Regarding the MD 80 crash at Gottröra SAS fitted a thin wire just above wing surfaces to facilitate checking for ice.
GOLDBAND45rpm Thats possible. The non-colored fluids are harder to work with because you have hard time confirming correct application because the fluid is light straw color. The colored are better, you can "spray until it's green"
Thanks for an absolutely fantastic video Mentour!!!
Love the videos. I'm sure they are a comfort to people who are nervous flyers.
I hope so.
Always learning something to new from you. So matter of fact yet so captivatingly interesting. Keep it up! Happy to continue supporting you even though I'm never gonna get into the aviation industry...
Flew out of Ukraine in winter last year and saw all of these things done. Great to hear it from the pilot's perspective.
Great video! I work in the aviation industry and love finding out about many of the different aspects of the business. Thank you for creating this very interesting and informative channel.
You are more than welcome! See you inside the app!
Really enjoyed this video. Very clear about the whole process of de-icing now!
As usual amigo, you hit the nail on the head. Excellent delivery of information concerning De-Icing. This is a big deal and one that is rarely accounted for and incorporated into our departure flight times. Your clear and concise description of the deicing process, especially from the flight deck perspective, will hopefully get shared with the holiday travelers this year.
It would be nice if more winter travelers understood the de-icing process, and its effects. Ice build-up on control surfaces is one of the top causes of private plot "GA" general aviation crashes. It is due to a lack of planning, which is so obvious to armchair pilots, yea right. These deadly crashes are the subsequent result of a lot of little errors that set the stage for a big failure. Being able to accurately assess the weather, with all contingencies planned upfront, and not to exceed your standards and personal minimums is the go, no go, talk with yourself. Do not let being behind schedule, overconfidence, and ignorance determine your fate as a passenger or crew.
Those who live in colder climates, that frequently get hit with blizzards, freezing rain, and ice, have no excuse to get pissed at anyone other than who is staring back at you in the mirror. The airport professionals will do their best, but for the most part, these 5 conditions or steps of action are not negotiable, especially when life is at stake.
A good mantra is: Fail to plan, is a plan to fail.
Excellent information Captain, as usual. How about a video about airplane performance on takeoff and landing on airports at sea level vs airports at high altitude (11K ft)? what aspects needed to be considered when taking off in one and landing in another? payload, fuel, speed, wind? emergency landing?
Very,very interesting video,many thanks 😊😎
Great! Happy you liked it!
Very good video. I have a DIL20 licence but never actually de-iced a plane yet
2:57 LOL ! :-) No longer need flaps with this !
Wow, every week you upload an even more interesting video. Gracias !
Your videos are truly fascinating. Show your videos to passengers on the IFE.
Excellent Explanation and Procedures on Airline Deicing, Cheers !
In aviation it's of course "better safe than sorry" but has there been any accidents because of that mentality?
Interesting and enjoyable as always! You're really good at explaining stuff so that I (a total aviation noob with 0 flight hours and maybe 5 hours of Steam Flight sim) and many others understand.
Hi!
I've watched some past episodes and today about deicing, etc.
Spot on!!!!!!!! What an incredible video it is.
Yes, I've done deicing before on Embraer Legacys and Embraer Lineage.
I truly enjoyed this type of information and cold weather ops.
Yes, I agree it is such a time-consuming process for the passengers, but safety comes first.
I always say,"If I'm safe, everyone else is."
Dearest public passengers, I urge you all to understand the science behind icing conditions and aviation.
NASA has a lovely short course anyone can do.
Wishing ya'll a wonderful evening.
Best wishes
Cordell Hadeed
Hi! You explain thing so well, this was really interesting subject. Thank you for your videos.
Thanks, Petter. That cleared up some doubts that I've had for years!
Excellent video!! I have never ever thought about this topic, though I know the importance of de-icing a plane. But still great video and thought provoking.
Perfect timing on this video! I just finished studying this material in my CPL online groundschool, and your video helped instill the practical experience into it. Very nice!
Interesting and nicely detailed. Just enough for an ATPL student...nicely delivered information. Cheers
When it is possible, I would recommend having the aircraft face into wind after pushback for deicing. When an aircraft faces into the wind during deicing, it is easier to deice the aircraft and can be achieved quicker. Both Type 1 and especially Type 4 is vulnerable to wind..
Great point.
Lots of content and it was interesting from start to finish. Thanks for the video!
Excellent video!
Mentour Pilot always put out great content. Great content made better with puppy!
As a former de-icer we had to watch out specifically for the A330. the engine pylons have grills in them and if we got fluid on those then you'd get the smoke in the cabin.
Really liked this. Puts into perspective our coming back to canada from london about 10 years ago. We were put in queue in toronto for de-icing, which was about 1h30 because litterally every olane leaving needed it, and as we were going to the taciway our pilot said like "every single airport around Quebec City had closed due ti the ice storm and so if Qc closed while we were in the air we wouldn't have any place to land, sucks to be you, good night" and brought us back to wait 15 hours at the airport for the new departure.
Did get pics of the de-icing, but didn't see any colour on it.
This. Was. Great. For me, your best. Start to finish. May you and your family have an awesome day as well! ( As an aside, Air Florida Flight 90. I watched it live...and never forgot,)
Videos like this remind me of why I love living in Florida
(Great place for flight training as well)
I actually flew out of South Dakota last week, early in the morning with a temperature of -20ºC. Soon after the "Line up and wait", the pilots increased engine power to take-off thrust but held the brakes for about 20-30 seconds. Now I know why.
My grandmother was at the Galapagos and her fought from Ecuador - JFK was delayed 3 hours due to the winter weather. It started out as snow then it rained and sleeted.
blewyd 3 hours is much better than 14 hours late,, SNOW, in Frankfurt De, into IDELWIDE, NOW, JFK, flying to KIN , cheers from NJ.
Excellent video Mentour i enjoyed it, hope you have a great weekend my friend.
And when a customer starts complaining about delays just say "Well would you rather be dead?" Yeah didn't think so.
Very valuable video! Specially during atpl training ✈️ it's not a wasted time!
Huge delay in Baltimore once due to blizzard conditions, de-iced twice, finally made it onto the taxiway when the FAA mandated crew shift expired and we taxied back to the gate for the night. Wonder who loves winter ops more, crew or passengers...
Your Airline should be proud of you and pay you more as you are incredibly knowlegeable and inspire potential passengers to want to fly with someone so confident and professional. I was stuck in New York for 2 Days watching the JFK teams de-icing a 747 in Jan 1996.
Thank you for your kind words!
You have gave me a much better understanding of de iceing a job I recently have started and I train next week great to no the basics thank you feel much better knowing a bit about it
Excellent presentation. Thanks 👍🏽
Shout out to KSLC which has the best de-icing setup ever! Long pads at the end of each runway, aircraft pull in side by side, multiple trucks hose off the aircraft and then off you go!
I am an iceman and deicer and I really enjoyed your video.
Video suggestion, how does extreme temperature (hot or cold) effect engine performance?
Class as always petter 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks ! This is much more enjoyable than flight school ! that's my thinking anyway since I never went to flight school.
PG is one of the main ingredients of the liquid in vaporisers (and asthma inhalers).
It’s Mary. Age 79 from Florida, I watch many of your shows, I ,love. Airplanes and try to learn as much as I can😇
Hi Petter! Cred to you for all your informative videos. I immediatly thought about Gottröra when I decided to watch this one. Clear ice on the wings was the culprit in that case so I wonder if the procedures of de-icing stems from that crash? Fortunatly everyone survived, but there was more things that had gone wrong than de-icing even though that caused the malfunction of the engines. Please do a video about that incident.
Very interesting, thank you.
I have two questions:
1) Who desides to close an airport because of weather conditions? The airport itself or some higher authority?
2) Can a captain cancel/reject a flight, when he feels, thats not safe enought? Or will he get some penalty from his company?
Thanks again.
1) The airport authority decides based on (Faa, TC, EASA) regulations
2) Airlines have higher weather minima, than private pilots (also known as approach bans) basically we cannot START an approach if the weather is below a predefined limit. Where as a private pilot can give it a try and hope he sees the runway. With that in mind, the captain (at large airlines) doesn't really NEED to decide as the decision has likely been made for him by the company long before his comfort comes into question.
The airport also uses runway breaking condition reports they solicit from pilots just after landing.
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I used to be a ramp agent for Comair, I remember deicing in the freezing cold, getting glycol in my face and mouth. It has a sweet taste by the way. The type II is green like snot and looks kinda cool when you spray it on the wings. I miss those days.
So we use a gylcol solution here in our apartment building - we put it in the heating system, so the heat pipes don't freeze when it's -40 out. You don't have to have this solution, and it is expensive to put in, but a burst pipe and no heat when it's -45 out are even more expensive, so our landlord had it put in. But...
...but the guy he hired to do it, the guy got a better job offer that day, so he went and did that, and left his 16 year old son in charge of putting the glycol into our heating system (not a straight-forward task, since it involves the boiler, etc., you gotta know what you're doing).
Well this kid didn't know. So I was standing in my living room, when this hot sticky mess fell all over me!
It was the heating pipe of the apartment above ours. The pipe burst, the water/glycol mix went through the ceiling, and fell onto me.
It wasn't winter, it was late summer, cause ya gotta do this procedure in summer, when the boiler is off, etc. Thank god because if it had been winter boiling hot stuff would have fallen all over me. But it wasn't hot. I wasn't burnt. Just very sticky.
Great informative video thanks
Dear Captain, thank you for your contribution in aviation knowledge. Just one question. What is the difference between anti-icing and de-icing? The hold over time when begins? At the end of anti or de-icing? Thank you for your prompt reply! Safe landings!
Deicing is the process of cleaning off all contaminants from the aircraft's surfaces and anti-icing is the protectant used to protect the aircraft's surfaces from having new contaminants adhere to the surface. The hold over time begins at the first spray of the second step/ first spray of the anti-icing process.
Love the “RIGHT!” Every now and again to make sure we are still listening🤣. I do the same as a driving instructor
Informative video, thanks. What about corrosion issues from different types of anti-ice fluids?
Type 1 and type 4 really don't cause corrosion as it does shear off almost entirely from the aircraft. Sometimes type 4 can get into the quiet areas but it doesn't cause corrosion as much as a sticky situation.
Excellent video, very informative !!!
Articulate delivery of a fantastic presentation. I had a reservation on the Linjeflyg plane from Växjo to Bromma in January 1977 but changed my itinerary the night before. Everyone was killed on approach to Stockholm because of an icing situation on the wings. Very sad for them & their families but lucky for me.
Hi Petter. Hypothetical question but do you think given a few hours training you would be able to fly a military jet?
I’d rather be delayed than dead 😂. Easy choice for me.
finally a smart person
Yeah me too
Oh no, I'd rather be dead than face social cosequences of being late. :D
Just kidding, I don't want to die in a plane. If I'm in a plane, it means I have a plan, and I want that plan to succeed. Please do take your time to help me do this even though in the grand scheme of things you don't need to know my plans.
I really loved this video!!!
Ice is a mess. Thanks your teaching us about it
Absolutely. It was 50f and rainy yesterday and it immediately dropped to 15f and froze up HARD. A few days before that it rained while it was about 20f (very little snow somehow) and shot down to 6f at night!!! Everything was covered in a layer of clear ice, and the rain froze right when it hit something. I thought of the craziness that would cause for pilots and airlines / airports.
Kyler, his what(s) is/are teaching you? Are your missing words for the possession(s) "videos are..."?
Could you please do a video on the procedures of ILS and autopilot landing and explain more abt wats the aux really for?
Good job Mr. Captain and I'm really looking forward to using a upgraded app.
Please explain the TOGA button. I understand what it is, but seems pretty dangerous to use. Great video as always :)
Another interesting video! I have a question. How much algebra is needed in aviation? Such as using formulas.
Well explained sir. Of course:)
Greets from MUC deicing!
Saw de-icing procedure last Tuesday in Moscow, snow fall at 5AM, my departure was at 10AM with -16°C, wings contaminated with a thin brilliant ice-snow cover just like sugar on sweets, on the taxiway the aircraft was deiced with white viscous fluid, 5 minutes later we were running on the runway, really powerful thrust and quite early rotation! Airbus A321 of Aeroflot!
Thanks for this amazing video
Great video! Question. What if you are in the negatives, Fahrenheit, but there is no precipitation? Such as a plane that has sat at the ramp overnight in extreme cold but no snow or rain, and its an early morning flight?
this makes so much sense, you are a great teacher!
Thanks for this video and for all videos, if it's possible for your next video to talk about ISA deviation , and utility for the FMC programming
Thank you very much
Congrats Captain. Very good video. Question, how to check if there is ice on the engine blades in an airplane where the engine is very high? Does the airports provide equipment?
You didn’t discuss wing boots and leading edge heat in coming in on landing and decentd
Vincent Shen Because that's technically anti-icing not de-icing.
Much appreciated for atpl students!😊
Very imformative, what happens if a aircraft ices up during flight? I have seen ice on the windows when i have been on flights.
I landed at KYIP, just west of Detroit Metro last Tuesday evening. Freezing rain had just started. Runway braking action was nil and it was a slow taxi in! They closed both YIP and DTW an hour later. Quite a mess for that night and well into the next day. Great explanation of deice procedures!
wow what an excellent video... thanx
I've been De Icing my jumbo jet wrong this whole time. thanks for clarification, sharing is caring ! I would be interested in some tips about prolonging the life of my radial tires. Even with the smoothest landings, they seems to have some fatigue veins.
Very indepth but equally complex information you have shared as usual. I have one question for you, since people staying on Northern side have more experience in handling cold weather, what about Pilots coming from tropical climates take decisions as you have mentioned 5 step procedures ?
It must be very difficult to understand and take decisions at that time.
do a video about how to calculate and set flight parameters, like V speeds, TOGA, fuel, etc
Gabriel Martins please
well the app on the ipad does everything... we just enter weather and aircraft information like air pressure, temperature, wind and take-off weight (this applies for the v-speeds)
@@JustDesignzzz and how is the TOGA set in the 738? i have Xplane11 with the zibomod 738 but can't seem to find how it can be set
also, what's the used passenger average weight in your company?
thank you
Check out his app he got video's setting up the FMC
You do that on the FMC, the Take Off page. You input all the required data and the V1,Vr and V2. @@18snitram
I learn and enjoy your video mentor.
Thats was a fantastic video. Thanks
hello Mentour Pilot, i was wondering if you could do a video about the demand? Demand of what type airplanes need the most pilots. As well as what my be needed in the future.
I teach and train how to Deice in YYC! excellent summary of my theory class that typically takes over 15 hours!
YWG Deicer checking in. What do the Deicers there get paid an hour?
Great video explaining the procedure. Seen it done in Europe but never in Australia. Doubt we have one airport with de-icing equipment.
How often in winter would they de-ice the 4 runways at Calgary? Do they de-ice the aircraft at the stands or elsewhere?
Peter Lemke I had never seen that fluid used on runways, just removal, but I’d bet the use a vehicle with a turbine engined exhaust , ducted out to hit the runways., cheers from NJ
I deice for the airline I work for. I love it! Best job ever.
That’s what I am asking for 20 min video
I hope you liked it!
@Mentour Pilot
Highest quality training video. I feel like I'm actually in a
high level training class! Thank you for all your work.
Why 6 people dislike this good Nd interesting video?, this info has been given by a professional pilot I really don't understand people sometimes. Said that, very good video, explains how is done and for safety why it must be done like that!
Hey my home airport is DTW😂yea I missed seeing the planes fly over for the time it was closed, a lot of Delta heavies fly over my house and I get some pretty cool pictures of them
Can you do a video about that United Airlines flight a few days ago that was headed to Hong Kong wound up stuck in Canada after medical emergency, and the nightmare it turned into? Guess it had a broken door, and no customs agent - so people were stuck on it for 14 or 18 hours in -20 Temps. (not sure which figure is correct as news has it both ways)
Topical Average day in Canada
Great video as always. Definitely something you don’t think about when living in a hotter climate.
Q: The pitchfork in the background?
Feedback: Your Bose headset is hard to see. Black on black.
Keep up the great work. Fly safe.
Question ..... Is there a specified interval for washing plane fuselages? or is it dependant on rain or schedule ? also why are there no USB ports on planes, or am I flying only on old ones :-) great channel thanks :-)
Nice video...how is de-icing done for fighters or other military aircraft which need to be able to operate in all conditions?