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Curze thought the only being worthy of judging him was Sanguinius. He didn't want to be told he was redeemable because it meant he was choosing to be a monster the whole time.
Yh that wouldve been a worse fate for him
That's worse than be judge by your father
What about Guiliman?
@@Neopopulas what about vulkan
@@missionslos8856 (Screams of a Small Eldar Child being immolated intensify)
Sanguinius is so fucking rad.
Was
Best Primarch
@@diegoestradahernandez2728 until games workshop wants to make a shitload of money
@@cyclenitram7598 and the only one who get his own holiday
@@diegoestradahernandez2728 :'(
I just noticed that roboat girllman was basically the only primarch that had a good parents and literally shows cuz him and cruz are night and day
Guillimans most powerful ability: Being well adjusted
Like the angry marines say: "fuck rowboat girlyman"
Dorn had an adopted grandad that treated him well. He still keeps grandaddy's cape as a blankie
Angron and Gillman both Landed on an ancient Rome type planets, only their backgrounds change...
Vulkan and Dorn had good parents as well.
'Konrad looked at his brother and felt his skin starting to crawl. He had never seen the angel smile like this. Normally, his smile lit up a room like a shining warm sun, but this time, the light was as cold as the void. Konrad had seen the Nighthaunters grin reflected in the eyes of its victim, but that thing had never managed to look as horrifying or as cruel as his beautiful brother. He tried to back away as the angel leaned down, but the coffin he was trapped in prevented it. He could only listen. Listen and scream as he slid out into the void.'
What scared konrad so much was that the angel could forgive him and ask him to continue in his ways and ask him to redeem himself, somthing konrad thought impossible because of his guilt he believed he should die or his life to be impossible then to continue his mission. Because he didn't believe in himself and gave up. And when the angel gave him a second chance his certainty of the universe went out the window and he gives up again to let himself die to an assassin. That's the tragedy of Konrad
@@patrioticmink74 choosing to let an assassin take your head so you don’t turn to chaos is based- Konchad Curze
@@lordmouldybutt2712 He didn't choose, he avoided choosing the whole time to follow the prophecy he saw like it was a script for his life with no deviation. The problem is that the whole time he could choose, and after all he did, he could not accept that. He died with the ending he knew he had for a very long time. For if he killed the assassin, the knowledge of choice would've equally killed him (not as dead as the assassin though.)
Why does this sound like Rape?
Please sir, I must read the book this is from!
Death is nothing compared to vindication. The man would rather die than have his visions and actions proven incorrect. A petty king.
if he is proven redeemable, it will means that he was choosing to be evil for all this time, it would make himself even more irredeemable in his own eyes
@@ihatethatrepairmen4255 plus of all the traitors he at least accepted his fate and hell he lives on through those who share his gift of the future such as decimus and talos
@@ihatethatrepairmen4255 in some ways, yes it was his choice but his final talk with Emps he is told that Big E made him to be horrible on purpose but the extent (both the depth and scale of ruthlessness were cranked up to 11 thanks to chaos’ interference). Plagued by horrid visions, “born” alone underground on a crime planet of perpetual night, and specifically designed to mete out justice and enforce compliance, he was screwed from the start however it was once he was integrated in the the Great Crusade that he began to realize that he was an unhinged monster with probable DiD and hated himself and his legion. I don’t think he believed he could change given how fatalistic he was about his visions, one can only imagine how he was about his actions
Most of all he wanted to prove that the other primarchs/the emp is no better than him
@utes5532 was I wrong?
The only thing worse than realizing that you're a monster is realizing that you're a monster by choice.
No... Being a monster isn't so bad. Being a good man in a world of monsters, however, is awful.
@@DiogenesDworkinson that does suck
"Lemme get really close to say this"
"No"
"Dad still loves you"
"NO 😫"
OMG
Sanguinius after not getting through to Curze mocked him for being the monster he has become because his only excuse is that he dies by an imperial assassin with no other context. Curze expecting that this death will come shortly is happy that it’s almost over and instead Sanguinius goes “tough shit about that. It may be a few thousand years before anyone finds this cryo tube drifting in space. By then you will only be remembered as a monster and Horus will have been defeated.”
Well as always sang is right, he is nothing but a box of excuses to justify himself for being monstrous.
wait, so Conrad _might_ be alive?
@@elduquecaradura1468nah this happened right at the beginning or right before Horus heresy. Yeah nobody agreed with his methods or reasoning but Big E was well impressed with his results. Curze was recovered and continued to be a problem keeping Vulkan prisoner for a bit
@@giantninja9173romg, it was just before the siege of terra, and way afyer the imperium secundis, the vulkan shot was right after the istvan masacre
I like to think that sanguinius did that on purpose, knowing how much anguish konrad was going through, it was the best thing he could do to help him.
The Lion smashing Curze up is one of my favourite HH moments
When he gets Curze to wonder if he'll actually die 👌
@@SandmanofTerra how about Vulcan reminding him what his hammer do
@@lkcdarzadix6216 top tier moment for sure
@@SandmanofTerra int vs Wis hahaha
The Lion really just bullied Konrad and his legion during the HH lol
The nighhaunter wanted to die by the hands of the assassin so he could be Vindicated.
But Konrad Curze wanted nothing more than forgiveness, to know he was more than just a monster his father made. That’s why he wanted sanguinius to kill him, and when he didn’t, it proved the night haunter right
Basically “Emperor forgive, because I don’t.”
The worst part of kurze is that if he somehow survived the assassination as some people theorise, he will have proven his own prophecy wrong and hence make all his actions something he didn't have to do. Making him realise he did everything not because it was predetermined but because he chose to
To be fair, If curze had a slightly better upbringing, I belive He would've never gone crazy
Very valid, many of primarchs share the same thought interestingly. Worth checking out the full video if that interests you
@A Megalodon With Internet Connection Instead of Space Azrael. _nodnod_
Yeah he was kind of fucked the moment he landed on that hellhole Nostramo
@@Mkrause762how so?
I did not read up on any of that so I don’t know anything.
@@daydreamdirty i've not read any relevant books, but from what I could gather, the whole planet of Nostramo had a crime rate of 110%. Curze landed there as a baby, and had to fight for his survival from day one. With no parental figure, he never really developed a moral compass, and in order to stop crime on the world, he turned to terror tactics, as these were the best to keep the populace in check.
In the card game him and curze have this dialogue and they mention they're faiths are unstoppable foreshadowing Sanguinius faith to die against Horus and Konrad to be kill by an assassin
Very cool! I've never checked out the card game so will have to take a look
Fate*
"We march towards the end we both know. Nothing ever changed"
-Konrad
"Nothing ever could"
-Sanguinius
Love how Sanguinius gave him a glimmer of hope then was like "Sike. GTFOH". Lol
When even the Purity -Mary Sue- Marty Stu of the setting chooses tough love, that's when you really _know_ you suck.
In a setting like warhammer shooting someone into space is like leaving someone in a nice neighboorhood without cuffing them or something.
Sanguinius is the goat: he soothed the mind of Angron, was respected by Horus, the antithesis of Konrad, Lorgar held him to a higher standing than even sanguinius did himself, mortarrion existed ig, and he was admired by fulgrim.
The only interactions that are not in books that I can think of to confirm is perturabo.
Only if konrad didn't land on his planet and if he had caring parents growing..
We would have gotten a 40k version of Batman for sure.
Corax is proof that in the end, you make your own choices. Your environment can influence you yes, but it's up to you how much. It's why Konrad hated Corax too. His presence ruins all his excuses.
@@spottedslash4256 Same goes to Dorn, he lived on a s***** planet, starting up the ground with no resources and reached space travel, but his Grandpa nourished him. He still became a great Primarch.
@@paulandreig.sahagun34 didn't dorn really love his grandpa that he even had his grandpa blanket?
@@spottedslash4256 and out of all the primarchs only a few saw the emporor for what he was and tried to be better
Corax did his best to live by his axioms,as a liberator,hell even integrated those non astartes allys of his into his fleet
Sanguinus was well, sanguinus.
Vulkan struggled with his nature as a primarch and as a person,hell out of the primarchs,he, sanguinus and guilaman being the most human.
And gman,oh bloody hell gman. Probably the only primarch who didnt grow up a psycho or something zealous. Hell his story is quite sad. A demigod raised by his kindred as a man, struggling between his nature and his humanity,desiring to do good. Hell out of all the primarchs,had gman not meet the emporor,he might have likely made ultramar into something that would put the inperium to shame.
And out of the primarchs,guiliman has a power that is underated other then his logistical and tactical skills. Willpower. It was gmans willpower that carried him to fight like a demon aganst his enemys,his willpower and common sense that made him near incorruptible to chaos,and his willpower being what keeps him remotely sane.
Honestly part of me wonders if guilaman might unlock his psychic powers more as each primarch,no matter what had power similar to perhaps sanguinus or curze in that he has a form of presience or the ability to process information and think faster then most primarchs,or perhaps gaining new powers through the emporors sword, such as cleansing chaos corruption or firing blasts of holy fire
to be fair he could have turned out decent if he would have anyone who gave a crap about him on nostramo. one of his visions was that if he spared that one kid (who he later realized had no way of harming him), he would have had a friend and genuine ally with who Konrad would have made nostramo better place.
I always though it cool that the difference between sanguinius and Konrad's foresight is simply a matter of scale. Sanguinius saw the near future whilst Konrad saw the far and so despite seeing the same things in the immediate they came to opposite conclusions
"May the emperor forgive you because I fucking wont" 😂😂😂
The emporer may forgive you, but im not giving you the chance.
From a curious outsider looking in, that’s how I took it.
The angel just probed that konrad was a monster by choice, and made posible the future whem he dies by imperial assasin instead of.one were he might be spared
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Sangy: Yeah ik ur a fukin troll, and dad wants to forgive you.
Kurze: ..Oh... shit..
Sangy: Airlock?
Kurz: Airlock.
From the videos I've seen of the primarchs, it seems to me that a lot of the inperiums' problems could be summed up as daddy issues
And Erebus
If the Emperor were to be reborn, he could defeat chaos with a salvo of hugs and playing catch with his demon primarchs sons.
There were moments where Curze could have decided not to follow what he thought was the pre-destined path. Curze just assumed that the worst fate was all that was possible. I've wondered, with the symmetry between him an Sanguinius, whether Fabius is out there trying to put the genetic vestiges of the two of them together, into some sort of oracle for his own nefarious purposes.
The answer would be Uncertainty, Sanguinius lived with Uncertanty but Kurzed hated it his whole life. The angel is always worried abut his mutated wings if he is a demon or not but still lived with it. Konrad hated having thoughts like that.
eventually, curse stopped thinking
Tremendously underrated reference. The same line came to my mind. DEFINETELY the only thing left to do when you are ejected into space while still alive and trapped in forever. You are just done.
He was sus
Sanguinius also had the gift of Presents, and always showed up to all the other Primarchs' birthday parties.
Yes, even Mortarion's.
Legends say that he still manifests a part of his soul to give Morty his annual can of deodorant
perturabo's birthday party is held by his machine guards, as his son's are too scared to approach him, so they just hold a party for themselves too
So Sanguinius basically said "you don't want to be forgiven, the emperor might still forgive you. So I'll send you off?
Or am I missing something here?
The point was to show Curze that he CHOSE to be a monster. That basically took Curze's soul to such a degree that he basically allowed himself to be killed by an imperial assassin.
Exactly. He didn’t feel he could or even should be forgiven after all the horrible things he had done. Konrad hated himself and this possibility would be painful. Uncertainty is also something Konrad does not take well
Konrad speculated to have a dual personality as well.
Yes it's something like "You don't believe in forgiveness, so our father would do the most horrible thing to you, which is forgive you. But you insist that you don't want forgiveness right? You believe you have to follow your forseen fate to the letter? Well I'm giving it to you, screw you and take your fate. You chose it"
The angel just probed that he wad a monster by choice and made posible the future where he dies by assasin instead of one where he redeems and fight for the loyalist or is executed on terra
Another amazing example of why the Great Angel will forever by *my* Primarch, even aside from the HH quiz assigning me Blood Angels as "my Legion".
>Tells one of his most wretched brothers he may yet be forgiven
>Refuses to elaborate
>Spaces his brother
>Evil brother later allows himself to die merely because of what you said to him
Remember when kurze hid on the lions ship and started running around killing astartes until they went to mccragge.
You mean where he runs like a bitch frim the lion scared of the beating he'll get? Lol
I would love if the redeemable primarch Sani saw was a different traitor primarch like Omegon or Lorgar
New word in my dictionary, prescience
@@Neopopulas Ayy man of culture I see.. Dune is definitely one of the best. 😊
@@cheebai2583 Eyyy, Dune crew represent.💯
Historically speaking, there'd _be_ no 40K without punk, fetish culture, satirisation of roided-up 80s machismo, Thatcherism, & Dune.
Ngl though, Tseguelsa was a vibe. Thank you Lord of Angels for helping we in the 8th Legion a new home.
Meanwhile sangs fun little ejection prank leads kurze to Friday the 13th an entire ship, keeping one prisoner as a pet/torture victim.
Damn, honestly I don't know why Sang did not think there's possibility that some one could encounter him
You know you're emo to the core when you screech at someone saying that there's still good inside you.
A resurected Kurse vs Sanguinius and Corvus would be interesting. A angel of light and darkness vs the embodiment of fear.
Bro fr told his dark ass to breath in space and kick his ass of the ship 😭😭
Eventually he stopped thinking😂
And thus, Kurze was allowed to kill and torture more people. Some great writing right there.
I don't care what anyone says, Night Lords are badass
Nah they are just bunch of cry babies cuz they know DE does everything they do but better
I'm a fan of the few legions that do what I'd do and just peace out. It's presented to everyone like they MUST pick a side but in my own experience that's pretty much never the case. You can always say "F this I'm leaving." It's why I live in an RV and I do it ALL the time. Sooo, if I had a starship under my command... 😁
I would enjoy them if they weren't just a bunch of murderers and rapists
Would the heresy be any different or at least nonlethally redeem a traitor primarch, if Sanguinius and Conrad somehow learned about each other's ability to see the future beforehand, have a heart-to-heart about it, and have Kurze actually escorted back to Terra?
Any of the the traitor primarchs turning loyal would be a huge blow to horus. But if Curze and his batlings stayed loyal the Ultramarines would be in a better shape, Lion possibly arrives on Terra in time, Vulkan is in a better shape, Conrad can bleed the supply lines of the heretics with his hit and run tactics but the biggest blow would have been Perturabo staying loyal, mans was hard carrying the heresy.
If he somehow joined powers with Dorn the traitors would've died before they broke the gates of the imperial palace.
My headcanon is that the weird part where Curze was talking to a flesh sculpture on Tsalguasa was in fact a manifestation of the Emperor's will, and Sanguinius intentionally threw Curze out of the airlock believing that Curze deserved one last meeting with the Emperor, not as a prisoner but as a son.
Wrong though
@@Dreadbringer Probably am
🟣
The Dark Hydra for Slaanesh!
The Alpha Legion who change their color to purple and become Crocodiles of Slaanesh (Night Lords become Dragons and Emperor's Children become Serpents), along with their Primarchs Alpharius and Omegon.
The Chaos Symbol of Slaanesh symbolizes the Dark Ice Moon (in various lunar forms).
Can the Moon of Slaanesh help make the Hydra, Alpharius/Omegon, and the Alpha Legion beautiful for the Dark Prince (the twin Primarchs who have a fall as beautiful as the Silver Knight's)?
Is it good enough?
Curze though he was the angel of dark. But Hawkboy has both has also darkness within him.
Both "Angels" 😇 are also vampires.
The baddies got their executions righteously.
"The Emperor may forgive. I won't."
The hawkboy one of the only 3 good boys of the manperor
Because they both saw their future deaths.
They are both vampire themed, so it does make sense.
I thought Curze died from that assassin
He did.
Sanguinius merely put him in a stasis coffib and ejected him into space.
Being ejected into space sure sounds quite annoying!
Basically at this point konrad realized that all the bad things that he had done, were HIS CHOICE, and that made him go mad because he thought it was Just his destiny. Sometimes a pretty smile can kill the darkest of ours
Nice one bird boy. Nice screw up at the one chance of a guy who might have be saved.
Emperor was truly sub 80 iq
Hey sanguinius which part of a vegetable you can't ea-
Sanguinius: ahahahahaha
Curze what a nut case but he loved The Great Angel 💫✝️✨
Literally everyone loved The Great Angel. Even Szarekh slid into his DMs, one time.
it will be intresting to hear their conversation, if you do us the honour mr.sandman.
I will try and get round to it for sure! Though it is covered a bit in the full video if that helps!
Then kurze is found by a mining ship (if remember correctly) killed everyone on the ship except for one guy, to that guy, he stripped a line of skin everyday, until he got to the muscles, until he got to the bones. (It is way longer since he had to get to tsawalsa which was 8 or 7 years away from the point of discovery) kurse also tortured the rats on the ship :)
Bros just got a problem with any primarch who’s a good guy
I am fully convinced that if guilliman and kurze were friends kurze would've been much more attached to reality and much more sane.
My mans had mental health to spare, he could have certainly loaned some to his brother - if only they'd been close enough for him to hear Konrad's tortured soul _screaming_ as it blackened + shrunk inside the prison of his mind, before it was past too late.
@@mysterylovescompany2657 exactly, guilliman was the only one who was both human enough and intelligent enough to help kurze, Sanguinius didn't really know what to do with kurze even if he wanted to, corvus was too similar to kurze, the lion is an asshole and leeman would either not care or he'd approach the situation in the space wolf viking way of fist bumps and alcohol, which would just turn kurze off.
Also guilliman would actually understand the value of the night lords and their moral standing much better than anyone else.
They could've been inseparable brothers, it's so depressing how they barely interacted.
Sanguinius being pure evil to his Kurzed brother. Love it 😳
I watched this video and the first i noticed was Astorath and the Sanguinor are like Curce and Sanguinius.
Lets Wait to see the reaction of curzes after he finds out of what happen to his father.
Throw it out of the airlock.
Imagine a redeemed night haunted fighting at Terra
Now that would have been a sight to see. Him becoming the true seeker of justice he was mean to be
"Konrad is not the Imposter"
The thing that sealed konrad curze faith was when he killed that kid in nostramo Just because he had seen a "possible" future of him betraying him. At that point, konrad made his own CHOICE.
So Curze was the impostor?
"Apothecaries hate him!!"
Sanguinius: "Yes I launched my brother into space. No, I don't think it was an overreaction."
Sanguinius a gangster. Threw his brother into space and said let's see if the EMPORER forgives you.
Kurze thought he was the angel of darkness, to matcb Sanguinius' stature of angel of light...
But really, Sanguinius was the angel of both light and dark.
That was Kurze's problem. He chose to be a monster. First Captain Sevatar proves as much when he questioned his Primarch about the way he ran his Legion. "What other way did you teach us Father?"
They were a reflection of him and Kurze couldn't stand that truth.
the emperor might forgive u but I won't
How badass would it of been if curze turned into a demon prince.he looks like dracula now imagine him corrupted
(Sanguinius walk into the room and slip on some water and hit the ejection button as it send's Curze into space) sanguinius"now brother..we need to...WHOAAAAHH....(WHAM)!(RED ALERT) sanguinius"....oh nuts"
Konrad was his strongest when he embraced his future death and fought 4 primarchs
Sanguines was his strongest on Terra when he embraced his death fought angron and greater deamons
That's when their future sight went on overdrive
Almost all of the Loyalist Primarchs had good parent-figures. Speaks volumes about how each Primarch ended up.
Best Primach
Remember Angron story and how it would turn out differently if Big E stepped in and helped his son and band of gladiators. Also, removing nails would make angron most respected character.
Why did the artist of the second picture make Sanguinius's face look like a gremlin?
Ouch... Just ouch...
yet curze was the only one that had empathy
Curze then killed himself out of spite.
Sanguinius best Primarch.
Change my mind...
Shan't! 😄
Wait.....confused here, why did Sanguineas eject his brother even though the emperor could've forgiven him?
There a re two level on this.
Conrad Curze had prophetic vision of the emperor sending an assassin to kill him. Convinced it was his fate to die that way, he did all those horrible things, killing billions of people, out of vengeance against his destined death (dude had issue)
Sanguinius, who also has the ability to foresee the future, reveal to him he had a prophetic vision of his own, where the emperor doesnt kill him that way, but forgive him instead. And just like that, he proves Conrad Curze entire philosphy of life wrong. Fate doesnt exist, we shape it with our choices, and the future Conrad Curze foresaw was the one he was building for himself by being an angsty serial killer.
But just because Sanguinius can see a futur where Conrad Curze is forgiven does not necessarily means he wants that future to happens. Again, Curze has killied billions and people and betrayed humanity. Dad wants to forgive him? Cool, but i dont, you dont deserve this fate.
And so he space him, destroying that hope of forgiveness for Konrad.
@@romualdcaffeserre6230 thank you so much for taking the time to explain this, very helpful! And tragic, I love it
Brutal
Would chaos recover his body? Sounds like a bad idea to leave a primarch popsicle floating around space what is the Necrons got his body or any of the factions could possibly clone it make elite units etc
Curze and Sanguinius: "let's cosplay as Alpharius and Omegon"
Sanguinius: "listen, he'll probably forgive you"
Curze: "but then, how will I be the opposite of you?"
S: "soo yeet?"
C: "yeet"
Still Konrad was at fault for everything, what drove him was his adamant belief that fate count don't be changed and he strode boldly into his demise. We know he is wrong as fate can be changed hell there is a god all about changing fate lol. It's not easy but it's possible and curze just could not accept that fact and dug his own grave.
So I'm new to the 40K and I learned that Almost Every being in the Universe like or adore Sanguinius.
Can Somebody tell me every Primach and alien Race Reaction to Sanguinius Death?
I just cannot take Konrad Curze seriously. I’m surprised his official art doesn’t have wrist scars.
Bro I thought a callidus assassin killed kurze
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Kurze he thought he knew what justice was. He thought he understood what true darkness was. Until Sanguinius in one push of the Eject button. He proved Kurze didn't understand anything. Sanguinius hides he dark side from everyone..... except for Konrad. He foresaw the Emperor forgiving the night haunter. He couldn't allow that to happen. The ones he slain cried out for justice. So he grant them their revenge.
I always thought Curze was killed by a Calidus assassin? There was like, a short story in the first edition of the chaos codex. Could be wrong, it has been a while
I think he survives being airlocked
Didn't Sanguinius drag Curze through a portal on Davin... causing Curze to scream like a little girl? 😅