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This is the first Question and Answer session to be conducted by Edward Stow on this channel and deals with the Jack the Ripper, Whitechapel and Thames Torso Murders'.
On a TH-cam Short, we asked viewers to send in questions and the most popular questions, as judged by the number of 'likes' each question received, would be answered. A great many truly excellent questions will not be answered this time due to restraints of time... because they did not receive enough 'likes. But more question and answer sessions will follow in the future.
I promised in the video to provide a link to an online source that featured the original photographs of the facial injuries suffered by Catherine Eddowes: They can be found here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catheri...
With thanks to Mike Pemberton for the colourisation of the Charles Lechmere photograph.
His TH-cam channel can be found here: / @pembysgamingworld
Thanks for answering my question Edward. Much appreciated.
Woohoo! Another episode! Thanks Ed! I agree with your answers. I've always found it strange that he never told his family he testified in Polly Nichol's inquest. Especially under the name "Charles Cross" so much circumstantial evidence against Lechmere.
Hello Texas, It is quite normal for people in those days to not talk about harrowing events, like the war.. To be a witness only there would be no reason to hide it. Lechmere would never mention he was the FIRST person to "find" Jack the Ripper"s FIRST victim. I bet he banned newspapers in his house. It has to be him. Charles Allen Lechmere.
There are still surviving relatives of Lechmere and victims buried rather than cremated. There are probably specimens, bits of evidence that the police reached out for help on, maybe Oxford University or Royal college of Nursing some scientists of the time. Maybe their evidence was retained and is still there on a microscope slide...time will reveal all. Brilliant film.
I wonder did his family ever suspect anything? Or even knew something about Charles' "work" (as he called it in Dear Boss -letter). Either speculation or knowledge both will do... TIA
@masan7452 Well. His oldest daughter chose to stay with her grandmother when the rest of the family moved to 22 Doveton. Someone could have suspected something. It's just speculation. We'll probably never know.
@@walkawaycat431 One could think his wife probably knew how much time it takes of him to walk to Pickfords to work and the mornings he murdered he must have left much earlier than what was needed to make it at 4.00 at Pickfords. In the night of the murder of Mary Jane Kelly at least an hour earlier, maybe 2.20. Just speculation of course but the wife might have thought Charles is messing with the ladies of the night but did not care. They had many kids 11? and Charles was the one who brought the food to the table. This speculated situation would have been ideal for Charles and his "funny little games"
Thanks Ed! Im honored you picked my question. I agree with your answer. I look forward to many more episodes!
The viewers picked your question!
Sorry man, I posted the comment before the video was done. SMH
Thank you for answering my question!
You stole it from mine, thief.
Thank you for answering my question! I look forward to your videos about the potential "new" cases, keep up the good work!
Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions. This was an excellent video! Great job, sir! 🙂
Thank you
Another fantastic video - thank you Edward! Some of the questions were great - I’ve just read “Cutting Point”, so am also very interested in the Pinchin Street and cat-meat business connections. Can’t wait for your future videos about the ‘other’ victims. I think Joseph D’Angelo provides a very good modern-day parallel for JTR. All the best!
Great video, as usual I wished it went on longer. I've been studying the 'Dear Boss' letter and Lechmeres signature. I'm no expert but I've got to say, the similarities of the a, h, l and n letters are so similar. So much points to Lechmere.
I'm afraid I'm trying to make my videos shorter!
Unlike today, in the vicrorian era,pupils were taught to write in the same handwriting style ..everyone was taught the same. There was also three different types of copperplate handwriting.maybe it wouldnt be unusual if there seemed to be similarities in two different peoples handwriting.the dear boss letter looks like copperplate.
The letters fascinate me, but I could never be sure whether they are genuine or not. Your analysis is most plausible, and agreeable. Please keep the videos coming. They are outstanding.
Thank you
That question always remains. I am reminded of the hoax letters sent to the Yorkshire police during the investigation of Peter Sutcliffe. They were so convincing they put detectives off the trail for another two years.
Another fantastic film Edward, its made me think that you say he wrote the letters, that's insane.... in a good way. The first ever taunting letters ever ?
. Where do you get your hands on a matching kidney not medically presarved.
Some say 3 victims some say 5 and some say as many as 11 !!
over 20 years of walking the same routes surely he would also have gotten to know with some level of accuracy the police walking routes even to the point of logging the times they usually appeared at certain streets and junctions. He could even have experimented on this by leaving home 5 minutes earlier or 5 minutes later to assess what effect this had on the level of police activity in the streets in which he was walking and planning to target.
Exactly! He knew those streets probably better than anyone.
@@walkawaycat431 Let's say he knew them as well as anyone else could have known them and almost certainly knew them better than most. It's more precise this way, more forensic in the legal sense of the term.
Another great video and lots to think about. Up to now I've always assumed that the letters were hoaxes and not really given them much thought but I can't believe how much Lechmere's signature is similar to the Dear Boss letter handwriting! Assuming he did write all of them, I wonder why he only disguised his handwriting in the last one. Maybe he didn't realise that a picture of the first would be printed in the newspapers?
Same observation here; for example the way he placed the letter "t" line ahead, the nearly vanishing "s" letters, the way he most often writes "r" etc.
I think your answers are excellent and have cleared up some issues for me. I'm convinced that Lechmere is the Ripper
excellent work Sir!
Excellent episode. Looking forward to the next ones! Thanks, Edward!
Thank you
Thanks for all that you share with us here. Best regards and have a nice weekend.
I actually agree with everything you said, Edward. Excellent post.
This is going to be good , 👍
A question for next time: Have you done any digging into details concerning the personal life and personality of the 1st bigamous stepfather? This is related to my own speculation into what made Lechmere the killer he became. Ive heard some people speculate that his mother was a strong woman, some suggesting a domineering force in his life. Heterosexual men who love and respect their mothers without any fear aspect involved seem to rarely go on to become serial killers of women. When his father died, his mother would've been the main focus for Lechmere the boy and his view on life and the world. Until, that is, the stepfather appeared on the scene. People often assume that men who hate their bullying fathers and step-fathers, don't then go on to turn their hatred onto women. But we tend to become what we hate, and the more we hate them, the more extreme a version of them we become, and the more we are dominated as a child, the more we need to dominate someone as an adult. If we look at the Yorkshire ripper's early life, it's been told that he was a shy, isolated, sickly child who clung to his mother's apron in the midst of an abrasive bullying father and older brother. Some people in the same situation would vow never to be like their father and have great sympathy for their mother. But she then cheated on Sutcliffe's father around the same time that Sutcliffe's girlfriend Sonia was suspected by Peter of cheating on him. The father found out and set up the mother to go to meet a potential lover, only to find the whole family waiting to humiliate her. Sutcliffe then appears to have switched allegiance to his father's side, as they were both going through a shared experience. Sutcliffe still married Sonia in spite of her cheating and some claim he was under her thumb and that she then became the dominant force in his life. A weak man whose personality was shaped through fear and being dominated has a deep underlying need for someone he can dominate physically and easily but will often marry a woman who also dominates him, i guess because his self-identity is that of being the one who is passive in relationships.So that leaves the need unsatisfied, and the anger and resentment that ensues from a lifetime of that needs an outlet. Sutcliffe didn't target solely prostitutes, even early on. He was an opportunistic attacker who just went wandering around and went after whatever appeared in front of him, like a great white shark of the night streets. So while people may speculate that Jack the ripper was dominated by his mother, i think he could've just as easily been subjected to some rough treatment by his 1st step-father, and subconsciously he would've still blamed his mother for allowing this to go on and for bringing such a person into their home. I also wonder if Jack ever tried to kill any non-prostitutes at any point in his life. I think he would have done so given the opportunity.
That’s a cracker of a question. 👏👏👍 I’ve also always thought that Lechmere’s mother was a dominating woman - never thought too much about the step-fathers apart from the fact that he may have used the name ‘Cross’ when dealing with the police because stepfather Cross was a police officer. I highly recommend ‘Cutting Point’ by Christer Holmgren - it explains more of Lechmere’s family history than I’ve seen elsewhere. Apparently CAL’s father was the grandson of a fallen/bankrupt aristocrat who abandoned his wife and two (?) children very early in the marriage. As they say: “That’s gotta hurt!”
Like Rex h the Long Island killer. Allegedly
@@vjc2270 That’s such a good Jack the Ripper question it could be called “a Polly”.
His father didn't die till much later in his life, that is what made his mother's later marriages bigamous. His first stepfather predeceased his father by a wide margin. We don't know anything about their relationship, nor his relationship with his mother. He lived close to her for most of his life but moved some distance soon before the murders began. Change is often a trigger for serial killers to start their dark hobby. Additionally, his daughter (or one of his daughters) stayed with his mother when he moved. Was it for school? They were not so far that would have likely changed, but maybe. Was it because his daughter simply wanted to live with her grandmother? Sure, maybe. Alternatively, what if there was abuse in the home? That would definitely fit with the kind of person that could do these things. Would also certainly explain the rage leading to the double event if he went there to see them on his night off and was ejected by his mother and daughter. But that is pure speculation of course, it is entirely possible Lechmere is innocent.
Really enjoyed this Q&A. Looking forward to more in the future. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I absolutely loved this episode can't wait for the next one!
Thank you
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 its my absolute pleasure , I followed all your videos and also bought the recommended book for my daughter for Christmas ( yet to get myself a copy) I love hwo you have taken us on the walking journey through the streets of JACKS murders , I would one day like to visit all those areas myself , not knowing London that well would probably never find every place ... you make it look so easy .. I would love to see lechmere's grave ...
15:52 not only does he have an excuse to be covered in blood, if you look at pictures of Carmen from around those times they wore a large leather apron; just like the one that was found and Associated with Jack the Ripper
Looking forward to other possible letchmere murders
I've mentioned this before somewhere.
I've always wondered why "the Ripper" locked the door of M.J. Kelly's place when he left.
Has anyone any suggestions about this somewhat puzzling behaviour (to me) ?
I also think the Dear Boss letter and Saucy Jacky postcard were genuine Edward
Hi Edward, thank you, and Christof for solving this and giving me a better insight to the “lay of the land”. The one thing that bugs me is the Polly Nichols Murder. I’ve rewatched earlier episodes and am currently rewatching episode 2- the Whitechapel Murders, All off them. For me, which you’ve hit the nail one the head in this video actually is that Lechmere walked these streets for 20+ years working for Pickford’s , but he also lived and grew up in the area so you can add another 10-20 years to the total? So he knew the area like the back of his hand, and the general movements of people, peak times/slack times and the times of day these occurred. Now from Episode 2, we have Lechmere either having 8-10 minutes with the victim before Robert Paul shows up- this owing to him leaving home at 3:30, or he could have 15-20 minutes with the victim. Bearing in mind Lechmere has either of these times to meet and lure the victim to the murder scene.
You have also mentioned that PC Neil took about 25minutes to patrol around this beat before he returned to the same spot.
With Lechmere’s local knowledge he could definitely meet a “victim” lure her to this spot and do the deed if he had the 15-20 minute time frame, maybe even the 7-10 minutes but that is quick.
Could you possibly do a presentation how Lechmere picked up a “victim” and dodged/ or knew PC Neil was away for long enough for him to only be surprised by Robert Paul?
If you could actually do a recreation would be awesome, to actually see where PC Neil would have been at the same time Lechmere had his victim. Also, as you mentioned, the PC’s were waking people up, so his movements would almost have been like clockwork too.
Anyway, I thank you for your work and hope you see this comment. All the best Ed, well done. PS, I’m an Aussie, in Australia, not much chance of me getting to see the sights for myself.
London is a plane trip away... maybe a long plane trip.
You have some good ideas for future videos.
PC Neil was almost certainly buying doughnuts at the 24hr garage.
Your answers make a lot of sense and really had my imagination going! Great video Edward!
Thanks
In regard to the last question on the Ripper letters - I'm not convinced that writing analysis is particularly robust but by looking for just a few minutes at the Dear Boss letter and Lechmere's census entry I can see numerous glaring differences. They share the same style which was somewhat typical for the time but in its particulars its quite different.
I also felt the same . I saw the" T" written on one of the census quiet nicely so & very different from a lot of letters I've looked at. Actually stopped the vid a few times wanting to copy that style of "T."
Just thinking more on this. If we had more of his writing and could compare with the main known ripper letters that would be interesting.
But this still does not mean Charles did not write any of them for many reasons / split personality & such like other answers & were is there a rule book on this?
I guess Lechmere was smart enough to at least try to alter his handwriting, but I guess it's not very easy to do properly, some patterns do stay
@@masan7452 Or the letters are not genuine. There were hundreds of letters (over 300 I think) sent that autumn and over the next few years that claimed to be from the killer, many signed Jack in one form or another, and none of them gave any guilty knowledge. Absolutely no detail was given that would not have been learned from reading the news, or the details were wrong entirely. They claimed they would take ears and no ears were taken. They claimed they would go for a triple event and it didn't happen. They claimed they would get the police or doctors or witnesses and it didn't happen. They said they would never stop... and luckily it didn't happen. Several people were arrested for writing fake letters, including some signed Jack, and they confessed, so surely they cannot all be real. I would even venture it is more likely that the vast majority are not real. There is no reason why the dear boss letter should be any more or less authentic than any of the rest, it wasn't even the first letter claiming responsibility for the crimes, it just got the most circulation because of the nature of it (as if it were written by someone that knew what would sell well).
Surely the census return was completed by the census-taker, not a member of the household. He asked the questions and recorded the answers.
Excellent video as usual
Thanks
Again, very convincing answers, Mr Stowe. Fascinating information!!
Glad you think so!
You should arrange a night out Ed, maybe one night in December near Christmas... A time and place anyone could turn up the subject is there it'd be a popular night... Maybe do it yearly before we, all pop our cogs!! Ne right discussion and vmas drink....
Id be in that. I only live near Epsom, Surrey. I'm always doing London pub visits that time of year (never go to London in summer). Great idea.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Yes I'm sure it would be a top night!
Too true Pete 👍
I don’t know if you got this question but here it goes. If the Ripper ( Lechmere) did 11 as believed is there any belief he did more or did he stop and why?
Maybe 20
A large number of serial killers slow down and stop in older age. BTK GSK GrimSleeper to name a few. Family, lower drive to kill, fear of capture as DNA became available (not the case in Lechmere) I think family and old age were his reasons.
I have been ruminating on the life of Charles Allen Lechmere for the past four days, and many things that are not often mentioned stick out to me.
His biological father was named John. Now I want you to consider how incredibly normal of a name that is, and also how normal it would be to name one of your six sons after your own father. I don't have the statistics on this, but I would venture a guess that virtually 95% of "sons of Johns" who fathered six boys would name at least one of them after their grandfather (certainly in the 19th century). Charles Allen Lechmere didn't. Even naming a son after yourself was very common, as Charles did on two occasions (his first born, Charles, died at 3 years old, and his 8th child was also named Charles, who died as late as 1973). I think he harbored great animosity towards his biological father. As for his mother, Maria Louisa, he did in fact name one daughter "Mary Jane" and another "Louisa Annie". I think he had a love/hate relationship with her. This is all speculation of course, but my thinking is that she probably represented in him some of the worst characteristics he saw in women. She couldn't maintain relationships or a stable home life, and I think he saw part of his mother in his victims. A potential attitude he held could have been something akin to "women who debauch and lay about with married men have no regard for the families they shatter in the process". Of course, there are two guilty parties in any affair, but he might have had a simple minded view on adultery as being mostly the fault of the woman.
Charles Allen Lechmere never divorced or remarried, maybe as a principled protest against his parents and the "sinful" prostitutes he murdered.
His stepfather Thomas Cross was a policeman, quite possibly a man of good character and a role model for young Charles. Imagine yourself at that age, and imagine coming from a home where your mother constantly changed spouses. Suddenly comes a stable and principled constable into your life at an age where you are at your most susceptible to outside influence. When Thomas Cross died in 1869, I think Charles lost the only father figure he ever had.
Some very interesting points
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Thanks! A lot of it is speculation, of course. But without a time machine, what more can you do than try to connect dots that are there in the records. Looking forward to future videos!
@@manmoth_1990 Not sure where you get it from that she couldn't maintain relationships or a stable home life. His father abandoned the family when Charles was still very young, which is probably why he didn't name any of his children after his father. Seeing as his father left town and started a new family, I don't think it was the fault of his mother. A few years later his mother married a policeman, about as stable as it got, but after a decade or so he died. As far as I know his death was not suspicious nor caused by his mother (nor Charles) so not sure why it would be her fault her husband died. By then Charles was an adult and soon started a family of his own. A while after that she married again and was in that relationship for quite some time, but Charles was long out of the home by then. Where was the unstable part? Where was the not maintaining relationships part? Where is it even alleged that an affair has taken place? You think he stayed married out of protest? No chance he just loved his wife? I think you are reading waaaay too much into some of this stuff.
Mr. Snow, from across the pond I thank you for your dedication to this cold case mystery. I’ve listened to all of your productions time and time again to find something - anything - that can contribute to a better understanding as to why the murders took place. I, too, believe Lechmere makes for the most suspicious of characters despite the question I wish to ask for your next Q&A video.
The existence of the torso murders occurring around the time of the JTR killings would has suggested the possibility of a “fad” where local perpetrators engaged in copycat murders. But in your opinion, could whomever JTR is be so clever a serial killer that he changed his modus operandi because he felt the authorities were uncomfortably close to solving those cases?
Thank you.
I think he probably changed to suit his own circumstances - eg, whether or not he could get his victim to his own secure location, where he could do more with them.
l love the videos, wish they weren't so far apart, but I get quality over quantity. I still want to know if it was Lechmere..............WHY DO YOU THINK HE STOPPED? Did his mo change and the later murders accredited to others?
That will be covered in a future video...
thank you boss.
Who is the most dangerous fish in the sea? Jack the kipper....
Love the channel Edward. 👍🏻 Sorry about the crap joke.
@@johnwiththewind2950 I actually appreciated it 😂
@@johnwiththewind2950 I convinced my other half there was a Victorian killer whose victims were always found with warm and toasty feet - courtesy of _Jack the Slipper_
@@terryhaircastle5702 I heard these murders were committed by a very young boy, who went by the sobriquet 'Jack the Nipper'.
@@davidcopson5800 possibly connected to those victims found with curiously fresh haircuts, performed post mortem - courtesy of.....
_Jack the Snipper_ ✂
Loved the video Ed. I've always thought the letters were genuine and couldn't understand how most ripper experts readily dismissed them over the years. Also the handwriting has definite similarities. Good to see old lechmere using his real name on the census.
Thanks
Bravo.
Very good.
Bravo Ed! Very informative episode.
Question: What's the links to Martha Tabram etc and Lechmere, as it was him learning his trade? And was it on his way to work?
Yes and yes
Gr8 Stuff, Edward😊🤲
Thanks
Great questions and answers. Really enjoyed them. I never understood the reasoning that JRT wouldn't have killed on his way to work. Why not? Ted Bundy did the double killings at Lake Sammamish then straight after went out for hamburgers and ice cream with his girlfriend and her daughter. That's even more bizarre. Yet, he did it.
Yes, exactly
Ed,
Obviously some people are not aware just how serial killers can't be understood. They aren't like the rest of us underneath the veil.
Cheers.
New to this whole case. Except hearing some thought he lived in our city of london Ontario once. Thank you. The question and answer was a great introduction.
Glad you liked it!
You mean Dr. Cream?
@@Liz-sn1mm that is a theory
Here's a question, did JTR even exist because all ripperoligists can agree on is to disagree?!
The facial injuries to Eddows happened in 2 parts...OBVIOUSLY the vertical slashes through the eyes and the "V" carved under the eyes happened after she was dead....however the gash that severed her nose and went down through her cheek happened during the initial struggle...
Hello Edward, looking forward to your next episode. I might have an interesting question. What do you think about the testimony of Emily Marsh, the daughter of the leather shop owner, who assumed the men, who dropped off a package at their parcel shop and who also asked for Mr Lusks address, was the sender of the parcel with the kidney?
I’m happy to have found your podcast - it’s great! I think you’ve made a very plausible case of Lechmere being the Ripper. You drew a parallel between the Ripper and Angelo (the Golden State Killer.) I don’t know the parameters of your comparisons and it might be too early in the current investigation to tell but do you see parallels between Jack and the Gilgo Beach Murders in Massapequa, NY? If Rex Heuermann ends up being convicted of the homicides of multiple prostitutes, with strangulation apparently being a favorite mode of “dispatch,” he may very well be more prolific than we know, he could surpass Jack. Even if you can’t answer now, I hope you keep the killing fields of Massapequa on your radar! Thank you for your wonderful investigative work!
By the way, the one “challenging” question of why Lechmere might insert a murder of opportunity before work reflects no knowledge of the rather deplorable hygiene and cleanliness of the era. Filth would have been the least of his problems. Lechmere could explain blood by adding dirt smears to it or wash off somewhere and still be on time for work. Or maybe saying he had to kill a cat for mom might work 🤢!
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@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Will do!
Hello Edward, I was watching a video where Richard Jones interviews Steven Blomer and Steven said there were twenty escape routes out of Bucks Row. These guys are crazy. I will agree there were two or three escape routes. Cheers!
I think you pointed out in another video that Lechmere could have patronized the prostitutes he later murdered, explaining how he could manage to kill during the height of Ripper hysteria. That never occurred to me until you brought it up. Becoming a 'regular' among local prostitutes would cut down the time needed to find a victim when he was in a mood to kill. This also cuts down the time he needed for killing whilst going to work.
One possible reason why JTR sent initial letters to the police is because we know JTR was actually "giving evidence" at the inquest of first canonical victim Polly Nichols, so he wanted to give an impression police isn't even close to catching him while "From Hell" letter is perhaps due to the reason he was again disturbed during the murder of Elisabeth Stride so he wanted to scare Lusk in order to try to reduce pressure on the street to capture him. But it's just my hypothesis.
Interesting ideas
A question for your next Q & A: Do you think Lechmere could have used prostitutes in the area and have been familiar enough to them that they and their associates wouldn't have suspected him?
Good one!
Hi ed good point u make about the ^ ^ in catherine eddowes cheeks,however this is where the location comes in to play. The masonic symbols compasses and the square..or jacks message the compasses on mitre SQUARE. These ^^ were done with the point of a knife. If he was trying to slice down the face how would both ends of his blade be in contact with her cheeks? His knife it seems got stuck in the nasal bone on the bridge of her nose so he cut the tip of her nose of instead.as the nose protrudes and is prominent of the face the edge of the blade would be away from both cheeks.
Hello Ed.
Im new to your vlogs so you may have addressed this question in the past , did any member of Lechmere 's family or a workmate ever say he was the ripper .
No. The family had no knowledge of his involvement in the case at all.
The cursive writing has similarities.. looking at the letters L, M and H I see much as the same on both. The c looks different on them to me. Note I am on a phone tho looking at small letters. Overall the writing is neater and nicer on the dear boss than the other writings. Imo. Would be interested to see if you could have a professional come in on the subject. There are professionals in these subjects and I think it is one of the most important parts of the case to be honest. I don’t see how the first 2 dear boss letters weren’t written by Jack the Ripper.. they were fortuitous and eerily so.
I would like to see more writing of Charles Allan lechmere.. if we could see his cursive T it would be helpful. And other documents.. I’m just helping you create more content for your audiences the dear boss letters would be a great rabbit hole episode.
Hello, sorry if this has been asked before but it has struck me so I thought I'd mention it. I've recently been re-reading 'The Five' by Hallie Rubenhold and she makes the, quite convincing, case to me, that at least 3 of the victims, Polly Nichols, Annie Chapman and Katherine Eddowes, have no evidence that they were prostitutes, that they were merely assumed to be by the press, police and public at the time. She also makes the contention that Jack might've strangled at least some of the women as they slept on the street (or in the case of MJ Kelly her room), rather than while in the conscious act of soliciting (which again makes sense if we accept the idea that at least 3 of the victims were not prostitutes). My question is, and I'm sorry for the long pre-amble, do you believe it is possible that instead of meeting Polly Nichols on Whitechapel Road and ushering her into Buck's Row, she could've already been in Buck's Row, passed out in the early morning from her drunken state, as was reported by Emily Holland when she last saw her? I ask this mainly as to if you think Lechmere might've simply stumbled across her on his regular route to work and decided there and then to take advantage and kill her? Do you think that would fit his MO?
I'm afraid Hallie Rubenhold kept out of her book overwhelming contemporary evidence illustrating that they were all prostitutes. By claiming they weren't she is in fact guilty of implying that prostitutes were less worthy of living.
But most of the victims were strangled first.
Agreed. They were prostitutes for a reason - fourpence.
Hi Edward, just started watching your videos and enjoying the content and how you put across the various red flags. I have two questions to ask, or two observations to make. 1. You mention that Lechmere wore his work apron at the inquest and showed a picture of Pickfords workers wearing aprons, could Lechmere wearing the apron be a way of diverting attention from himself by showing he wore an apron for work, but it was white material rather than a leather apron? 2. Would the victims of the murders, who were sex workers have had an area or patch that was their place of conducting business, if so Lechmere could of got to know who worked where and when on his travels to and from work and working in the area and even possibly been on speaking terms with the victims, just a "hello" or "good morning / evening" . By being seen as the "friendly" man who works locally he could be seen as less of a threat and therefore enabling him to get within killing distance without raising any warning bells in the victims. Just my thoughts and probably brought up before many times.
I think the apron was worn to convey the message that he was a humble ordinary hard working unassuming man.
The nature of some of the victims speaks against him.knowinh them I think - polly nichols and Catherine Eddowes anyway.
Edward, have you done any research into Lechmere's typical work schedule/routine or that of a 19th century Pickfords carman. I'd be interested to know how far his routes actually took him with a view to encompassing the torso murders and body parts being located around Battersea and Chelsea areas. I'm now in the firm belief that he was a calculated and cunning murderer. If we accept he wrote the letters this gives us a real insight into his attitude. If you add to this his possible attempt to implicate Robert Paul with the Hanbury Street murder and hiding body parts at NSY it demonstrates how calculated he really was and the lengths he might go to to deflect policevattention.
We know about the work Carmen did. We will never know the specifics of Lechmere's schedule.
Let’s talk about the paintings
Hi the 29 Hanbury Street murder of Annie Chapman there was a section of a torn envelope, a small piece of frayed coarse muslin, and a comb were recovered close to her body.
"what do you think the meaning or what significance that the killer is perpetrating."
Also coins were mentioned at the crime scene a later date. But also believed to be falsely mentioned .
I am not allowed to see your new video and I get it classified as "Private"?
Is that the way it's supposed to be?
New subscriber. I am an amateur handwriting analyst and one striking similarity between Lechmere's writing and JTR is words that should be capitalized are not. It's a consistent trait with Lechmere, signing his middle name "allen" instead of "Allen". Also consistent between the two are the trailing t-bars, and the s lacks a connecting or end tail. The halting and highly spaced words show an attempt (a poor one) to disguise the writing. I also suspect that he learned his "evisceration skills" from a butcher not a medical book/personnel. This is because he cut his victims exactly how cattle are slaughtered, not according to how autopsies are performed.
Interesting
Re: Catherine Eddows: A woman reported to Scotland Yard that the day after the double event, a man she was seeing (Frederick Bailey Deeming) was reading the papers and complaining about the police not understanding the mutilations.
Wonder what level of education Lechmere had? The Dear Boss letter is well constructed and generally grammatically correct. A touch above what might be expected from a Carman of the day? If the Letter is indeed form JTR then I am less convinced by Lechmere.
another question for next time: Why do you believe he began with torso murders? Im guessing he had some location that made it easier for him to express himself with the knife and that some early ripper murders would have also been torso'd had he not 'lost' the location where he did the 1st few. Or was the psychopathology simply developing into a new stage? If so, what do you think it became post 1888? Thanks
I have a theory on this... to be covered when I do a video about the first Torso... which I think was his second murder!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I can't wait to see what you uncovered, or at least suspect. This is a truly excellent series you are making. Thanks so much for taking the time to do it. Seeing the locations, those that remain close to how they were, makes it all the more real somehow. I went on a walking tour in the evening years ago with someone, but i didn't learn even 10% as what i've learnt through watching these videos.
I am curious what is known, if anything, about Lechmere's life from 1889-1920. That is potentially 31 mysterious years in the life of Jack The Ripper, post the Canonical Five. Do you have any knowledge about this, Ed?
Yes! For future videos!
I know I'm late to the discussion Edward but I wanted to impart an insight I had while chatting to friends, relating to the Thames Torso murders. The last Canonical Five murder of Mary Ann Kelly was carried out in the privacy of her home. It seems to me that JTR (Lechmere) must have realised that privacy allowed him more time. Did this prompt a change in M.O. resulting in the Torso series?
If Charlse Letchmere was JTR and the circumstantial evidence is strong, why do you think he suddenly stopped and lived into his old age.
He didn't suddenly stop!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Do you plan on a video showing his Post JTR killings in depth
@@oldmaninhisshed1111
Yes there will be many more
I'm interested to hear your take if you have time....
(Disclaimer...while I don't agree with Lechmere being JTR...I do love your channel and you are very knowledgeable and entertaining)
Here we go....
1. If the Ripper was going to leave graffiti, why wouldn't he write it on the wall next to Eddows body??? There was a wall right there...why write in the entrance of a doorway blocks away where it might not even be seen, over a piece of apron that could've been blown away, swept away, or carried off by rats....
2. Also, there is a strong case to be made that the Apron piece was not thrown down by the killer but by Eddows herself...with feminine hygiene products almost non existent and lack of public restrooms, it's possible that Eddows (sobering up after a bad alcohol binge) could've had the "runs" and/or been menstruating and simply used the Apron to wipe herself after relieving herself outdoor.
3. The Dear Boss and Saucy Jack letters are COMPLETE AND TOTAL FICTION....the instructions in the 1st letter to "keep the letter back until I do more work" is a 1000000000% giveaway....he wrote that so if the killer struck again it would APPEAR legit but if the killer never killed again and the letter never released, them No one would be the wiser....
4. I'm 50/50 on the Lusk letter simply because of who it was sent to...he didn't sent it to the police, he didn't send it to the Newspapers, but to a local vigilance leader that only people from the area would know about...
5. LIZ STRIDE WAS NOT A RIPPER VICTIM.....in another video you said that you don't think Schwartz saw the real killer....soooooo you think Liz Stride was attacked violently by TWO different men, in the SAME SPOT, FIVE mins apart???? Cmon man....lol....
Everything about Strides death SCREAMS domestic violence NOT Jack the Ripper....
6. I know this wasn't you but whoever was suggesting that the victims were NOT prostitutes needs to have their head examined...the ONLY one you could make even a slight case for not being a prostitute is Eddows... but that's a weak case at best....
7. If Lechmere had to be at work at 430am, how did he kill Annie Chapman????
is their any examples of lechmears hand writing? if so it would be interesting to see if any similarities between his and the the dear boss writer.
Only signatures on marriage certificates
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 well if there experts in hand writing analisis then that should be enough shouldnt it
@@martynralphs339
No idea
Sweet Fanny Adams was killed and chopped up by a man on his lunch break, so there's no reason why somebody wouldn't kill on route to work.
Is there any info on the life of lechmere?
Yes some
1:24 Catherine Eddowes was not the third canonical victim - she was in fact the fourth
Exactly
on the murder nights or early mornings do you think lechmere stayed very close to the murder sites in a dosh house instead of going home to doveton street cutting out the chance of getting caught
I think he would have got home or to work as soon as possible
Well done Edward the tips into the eyeluds meant something no doubt although what that might be is well open to debate.. The other injuries are somewhat incidental if that's that right phrase... My killer is Barnet although I could never work out why he'd stop at 30 years.. He fits into the dear boss letter for anyone who really works that out... Do 8 really think it was him.... Sadly not........
Mr clarke ,how is ur barnett?
@@leslierock5005 As of last week unkempt with light bits, greys and generally dark
@@peteclarke9416 no too bad so,the suggestion of a night out was good,can u imagine that pete after a few drinks there would be murder🤣 i wonder if mathew lawton would arrive.
@@peteclarke9416 😂😂😂
The time that the bodies of Elizabeth Stride & Catherine Eddowes at 1:00 am & 1:45 am on a Sunday morning is important. Charles wasn’t working that day, so he most likely chose an earlier time out of convenience for him & to throw the police off his trail.
Yes!
What happened to proof of guilt series?
One more episode to come... In preparation!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 only one? :/
Oh well, cheers and good video. Nice idea making one where you take time answering viewers’ questions. 👍
surely by walking the same route to work each morning he must of been on morning terms with the police they must have known him by sight he also knew where and when the police would be
Hello Edward, I first would like to make an observation. Christer Holmgren looks like Doctor Frederick Brown. My question is do you believe Lechmere was a religious fanatic or was he an atheist? He just went along with everybody when it came to religion. Like getting married in Christ Church this probably was something his wife wanted. Cheers!
I meant to watch this guy's episode on the Liz Stride murder and was going to say wanted to discuss what I thought about it. Usually I'm not that impressed by people who talk about the Liz Stride murder as a canonical murder of Jack but I was interested in what he had to say. Judging by his name (House Lechmere), I'm assuming he is going to vastly overlook things, but we will see. I don't see Lechmere as a viable candidate for Jack the Ripper at all.
A lot of preconceptions there - watch the film!
My question is simply why did the murders stop ? If his lust for murder was so strong surely there would have been more victims? Thank you. Anita Jowett
There were more victims, but serial killers do stop
I agree with the letters. I think the rest were probably faked but those three were real. I also think there were more leads up murders to the canonical 5. Serial killers tend to escalate.
trouble is edward jack had plenty of time to cut off eddows ears but choose to mess around with her face if it was me who done the letter i would have cut her ears off first
Who knows. In the moment he may have forgotten until the last minute.
2 questions why did he suddenly stop 2nd question most doctors refer to medical knowledge, even the thames torso murders were done with precision it is no meen feet in pitch darkness to exise a human kidney with such precision i know my disciplin was human and animal physiology of all organs to exise the kidneys the most difficult this guy had medical knowledge with regards to all you say i agree but these 2 questions bug me it was also mentioned there were 2 of em this is plausible one to keep konk the other to do the deed i favour maybrick i always have i have my reasons but im intregued by why he stopped and why he could disect to the skill he did this guy wasnt just a mere butcher
1:24 3rd? or 4th...
Why would the police close the case while Lechmere was still a free man?
I think it was probably because they genuinely believed that they knew who the murderer was and that person either died or got locked up for something else. It wouldn't be the first or last time the police got fixated on a suspect or theory. (And they were just "lucky" that Lechmere reverted back to the Torso murders and stopped killing out on the streets).
He was never a suspect back then. If they knew what we know, that would be a different story. As well, they didn't link the torso murders to JTR.
He only became a suspect in the past decade thanks to crister holmdgrens research
Because they were clueless and had no idea about serial killers.
Cindy
The police were clueless in thinking JTR was outwardly some lunatic nut job who had to be put into an asylum (Kosminski/Cohen). They were as clueless about JTR as they were nearly a hundred years later in Yorkshire.
An upside down m looks like 2 ls
Regarding the cuttings on Catherine Eddowes' face: was the morbid aim maybe to make her look like some kind of clown?
Maybe
That was my reaction to the cuts straight away.. I thought he's mocking her and women in general.
@@deniseelsworth7816 A "funny little game"...
like John Wayne Gacy.i was recited a story in the SW postcode area of a body with what looked liked the victim had been chewed at by foxes.i was making this connection with this jack the ripper victim as we was talking about it.i thought then if so Jack never stopped!
Hello Edward, I have another question see if you can answer the question without looking it up. The question is what was the name of the pub at the corner of Berner street and Fairclough street? Have a drink on me. Cheers!
Without looking it up!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Hello Edward, I know you didn't have to look it up I was just having fun. I was watching the video where Richard Jones Interviews Steven Blomer and Steven said there were twenty escape routes in Bucks Row. These guys are crazy. I will agree there were two or three escape routes from Bucks Row.
@oldlechmere8012
Yes most of his claims are frankly nuts.
@@oldlechmere8012
The Nelson!
Were they first strangled to death?
Yes!
How often were prostitutes killed or injured bin the years before and after 1888?
Not often - ot was extremely rare.
Did anyone ask how Lechmere could have gone straight to work after the destruction of Mary Kelly's body? Don't give me any fanny about him already having blood on his apron as you don't go into your place of work with fresh blood and viscera on you
good point, this also points to some one staying local because they would have to travel the streets as well.
or they cleaned up with hot water from the kettle in the fire place before they left ?
@milchmanuk24 would need more than hot water. To me it just seems unlikely he spent hours destroying that body then calmly went to work covered in her crap and did a whole day's work unnoticed. The Lechmere theory is a good one but the guy in this channel on occasion is prone to skipping around logic and common sense
Where did your suspect go with fresh blood and viscera on him?
@@kevinfitz8516 so the suspect would leave with a hat scarf perhaps covering partially his face and collar of his coat or jacket turned up to hide the mentioned splattered materials.
this then starts wondering did he have a apron and was skilled in meat cleaving.
@@milchmanuk24 even with Mary Kelly's mess?
How smart do you think lechmere was
Mid range
The from hell letter, the writing style seems very un British.
That letter was penned by the ripper. The ripper was a polish jew.
@@rogerfrench4780 but poles use the latin alphabet, that's almost Cyrillic looking.
also, these letters still exist, with today's technology shorely they can be forensically examined.
They have been through many hands
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 yes but should still mainrain something, if not then at least an analisis to letchmears handwriting
why did he stop killing did he just retire
Wait for a future episode!
I have a question what drove him to.kill
Psychopathy
I find the biggest mystery is , Why did the murders stop ?
They didn't until he got too old
Mary kelly why was her clothes neatly folded yet other clothes were burnt why was the rag still in the broken window the morning she was discovered why was her heart missing answer her boyfriend did it he knew her sleep patterns he waited until she was asleep and let himself in using the lost key and was so full of rage earlier that day she had told him on is visit she had met someone else and not to come near her again he took her heart and left by the door he had killed the 2nd and 4th victims to scare her off the streets the women were known to her, she had him him read the news papers who were creating a monster with the deaths the other women the first victim was how you said the 3rd was one of the gangs of the time the rag in the doorway show his heading millers court after the 4th murder so the key to the ripper was MK and the love of a woman