How Michael Jordan Failed the Charlotte Hornets
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- The Charlotte Hornets, once a respected upstart Franchise starting in the 1989 NBA Season was at one point a team who had alot going for it in only existing for 14 seasons. From the duo of Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning that ended prematurely, trading for Glen Rice and Anthony Mason who had their time in the sun. And playing soon to be cult hero Mugsy Bouges and one of the best shooters of the 90s, Dell Curry. But as the Hornets became riddled with controversy, which we’ll get into later, the Hornets moved to New Orleans, and rebranded as the New Orleans Hornets. However, after a 2 year hiatus of no Charlotte Basketball, the Hornets came back as the final expansion team becoming the Bobcats in the 04-05 season. And as Charlotte sports fans reveled in reliving the good ole days, what they didn’t know is, the Bobcats and soon to be Hornets, would become the most disappointing Franchise in the NBA spanning 20 whole years. Whether that is making horrible draft selections that aged like milk, owners making moves that hinder the team, and or signings that push the team back rather than forward. These are the many types of blunders we will talk about that creates the Charlotte Hornets only making the playoffs 3 times in 20 seasons, going through 8 coaches, drafting only 3 All Stars, and of course, owning the worst record in NBA History at one point. This is The Eternal Rebuild of the Charlotte Hornets, a 20 year NBA Timeline! But hey, atleast they have Lamelo Ball and Brandon Miller to look forward too.
Chapters:
0:00:00 - 0:01:52 Intro
0:01:52 - 0:05:18 Prologue
0:05:18 - 0:13:25 04-05 Season The Beginning
0:13:25 - 0:19:52 05-06 Season
0:19:52 - 0:27:25 06-07 Season Adam Morrison's Arrival
0:27:25 - 0:35:38 07-08 Season A Key Trade
0:35:38 - 0:45:15 08-09 Season Say Hello to Larry Brown
0:45:15 - 0:55:57 09-10 Season Their First Ever Playoff Berth
0:55:57 - 1:00:39 10-11 Season Time for a Rebuild
1:00:39 - 1:07:24 11-12 Season The WORST Season EVER
1:07:24 - 1:14:30 12-13 Season A Mistake was made
1:14:30 - 1:23:21 13-14 Season Say Hello to Steve Clifford
1:23:21 - 1:30:51 14-15 Season Stagnation
1:30:51 - 1:42:00 15-16 Season Back to the Playoffs
1:42:00 - 1:48:01 16-17 Season Another MAJOR Mistake
1:48:01 - 1:54:55 17-18 Season Stagnation again
1:54:55 - 2:06:01 18-19 Season Kemba is BALLING
2:06:01 - 2:13:08 19-20 Season Time for a Rebuild AGAIN
2:13:08 - 2:19:17 20-21 Season Lamelo Ball is a Hornet
2:19:17 - 2:27:10 21-22 Season Showtime in Charlotte
2:27:10 - 2:34:40 22-23 Season Back to the Bottom
2:34:40 - 2:36:49 Epilogue
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Do warriors or magic
The John Wall/Bradley Beal era in Washington, the Knicks reconstruction from a joke franchise to a EC contender, post-MJ Bulls or the Shaq-PH years in Orlando
Bulls. Nobody went from terrible to great to terrible as fast
the memphis/vancuver grizzlies
@@bigguy8435 Utter the name, Ernie Grunfeld, in Washington and you will get death stares.
They always seem to want to pick “winners” from college, instead of picking the most talented players in the draft, and that’s what screwed them over in all these years
So what you saying is college ball don't translate to the nba ❓
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@@user-sb8bn4vq8enot necessarily. A lot to guys who get drafted solely of college stats benefited from playing on bad teams and being the entire offense, which makes them look better than bench players on stacked teams
@@user-sb8bn4vq8e I personally think teams should go for the guys that have shown their game can translate to the nba level. Shooting %, aggressiveness and ability to drive to the rim, athleticism, vision, playmaking etc. Look at Ja morant for example, he went to a smaller school but was able to showcase those skills and it translated better than Kyle Guy who was on the Virginia team that won the chip that year. They gotta recognize who’s a college system player and who’s an nba talent
@@user-sb8bn4vq8eConsidering the fact that college tactics haven't evolved past the eighties and nineties, according to guys like JJ Reddick, then yes, the same kind of guys who succeed in college may not be the type of players who succeed professionally, and vice versa. You may have a player who isn't as good in college because he thrives in more fast-paced space and pace sets, and is stuck with a coach who runs a half-court offense, and thus gets little playing time. If he gets a shot with an NBA roster, he can showcase his abilities in a faster paced game.
@@donnyg9993but you said they pick winners how are they winners on bad teams 😂
They Hornets maybe a bad franchise but I’ll always love their 90s logo and team colors. Those are the best
Facts
Yep they should bring it back tbh
Bobcat colors was fire to me 😂
Yeah when I was a kid playing old b ball games I always picked their court cause it looked cool
especially there starter jackets
This channel is just a gold mine for all basketball fans
I never knew Avril Lavigne had such a deep speaking voice.
I can't wtaxh this whole video though. I want to, but I would have to find time lol.
It's always a good day when Alvini drops the team documentary bangers!
Dude is terrible 😂😂😂
‘San Francisco’ as background music for any part of this was an ironic, and hilarious, choice…and as the background choice for ‘12-13 section IN PARTICULAR…glorious
Ahhhh, someone found out about my music taste 😈
After all my years watching the NBA in general, Charlotte has never catch a break. Great documentary on them Alvini! 💯🔥💪🏾
Hopefully times will change for my Hornets sometime soon. Ive been a fan all my life, minus that time period they left Charlotte but i quit watching basketball entirely during that span
Brandon Miller is legit and Ball is a really good player. Build around those two and they got something for the future for sure. Funny thing is the GM also left so yeah the Hornets are in a NEW era starting now!
@@Alvini_Linguine The best ability is availability. And LaMelo is never available. I'm not saying trade him but I'd damn sure dangle him out there and see what teams would throw at me. If it isn't an OKC gold mine of 1st round picks and young controllable players then he's not moving.
But B Mill I'd most certainly build around. I'd resign Miles Bridges and hire new training staff to help keep the guys healthy. They've missed Mark Williams bad this year
@@jaycubmitchell8808 LaMelo has shown he can play a full season and not have constant injury issues before, way too soon to right him off especially since he's the most valuable player we got to winning in the future.
@@InsiteVFXyou gotta admit it doesn’t look good though. His brother is chronically injured and so is he. He’s missed more games than he’s played by a pretty wide number. Sometimes players can get through that but usually if you are constantly injured when you are young it doesn’t get better, it unfortunately gets worse
@@Romanus- His brother and him are two different people. Lonzo has degenerative injuries, LaMelo has ankle tweaks from rushing his injury recovery constantly. These ankle issues started from 3 ankle injuries in a row where ppl fell on his ankle and rolled it twice... it's not the same at all, he was completely fine before that year with just 1 wrist injury that put him out like 15 games or so in his rookie year. Ppl that sit there and make the correlation of "oH weLL hIS brOTHEr iS inJURy PwoneE?!" are idiots im sorry. They dont watch the Hornets or LaMelo or know the slightest thing about whats going on. If he had genuine degenerative bone injuries, than that would be harder to come back from, but he doesn't have that.
Something on the 2008-09 Charlotte Bobcats I thought was pretty funny.
On April 1st, 2009 the Bobcats sat at 34-40 just one game back of the Bulls for that 8th seed. Charlotte had to play 6 of their last 8 games on the road because their arena had to be used for a horse event called the "Charlotte jumper classic"
The Bobcats finished the season 1-7 during that stretch
Now that is unfortunate 😭😂
Big Linguine fan and bigger Hornets fan. Appreciate the effort you put into these long videos g
Thank you 🙏. I’m glad you all are enjoying them also 🤝
Jordan really played for one of the most greediest, ruthless and flat out incompetent owners ever who won the lottery with him and Scottie and failed upward thereafter.
And Michael really said, "Bet, that's exactly what I wanna do. Just gotta buy a team and hit the lottery in the draft."
“Hit the lottery in the draft” is funny considering his gambling habits 😭. Dude was gambling for sure with these draft picks 😭
Hey Joseph Matthes, this is going to be long-winded, but truth and fact.I don't know how you came to that conclusion on the Bulls owner, Jerry Riesdorf. Yeah, I admit they really underpaid and screwed up and over Scootie as far as his paper was concerned But the man always maintained and kept the players on the Bulls roster satisfied enough to stay with them and had enough to entice players to come there when players left enough to where they accomplished those two 3peat runs. The majority of those players were brought in by the GM Jerry Krause RIP. You know that guy that all Bulls fans hate and gives him no credit and even less respect. The only player that was brought to the team that I don't believe was his idea, but he supported the move was Rodman. And no, it wasn't all due to MJ. He was the main man and leader of the team and franchise, but he was playing with players that the GM selected to play with him, and all knew their rolls and played it well. As far as the drafting of players, he drafted well, early on when they lost enough games to have them. He orchestrated that draft day trade with Seattle thar brought in Scootie. He drafted Stacy King and BJ Armstrong. Othe than MJ who was there one year prior to Krause getting there, He assembled the starting 4 and the cast of support players on the bench. He made the decision to move on from the previous coach, Doug Collins, a move MJ didn't like and brought in Phil Jackson and did all that setting up to that setting up what woul become the start of a dynasty. He was the one that orchestrated the plan and deal that brought in Kukoc, which was the 1st step in starting the 2nd 3peat run. After that, it was all about getting the best available free agents to the team because they started winning, which reduced their draft selection greatly. And through it all, Jerry Riesdorf, the owner, paid them enough of a salary that was good enough for them to come there and stay there until the run ended. So Bruh, for you to accuse the man the way you did, I don't see how you can justify what you said about him. Unless you are part of the Bulls fan base that still holds them responsible for breaking up the team and ending the dynasty. The truth of that is that it was already over and run its course because they were old and past their prime playing careers. They were still going to be competitive, but after the last championship. They were done, and management made that franchise decision to get younger and start over. All championship teams have to go through that phase at some point. It's how it is for all team franchises, no matter the sport. It is what it is. You have to reload to keep shooting your shot. And hope that the future decisions as far as maintaining and building the team work out. But they will never be as good as the one that time has passed by , and they weren't. They had an excellent starting point when they drafted Jason Williams and Derek Rose, but the unfortunate risk of injuries is a gamble all teams have to consider and deal with. And the Bulls on their reload were hit, and they're dealing with it to this day. And last but definitely not least. Jerry Krause, the man who orchestrated that dynasty the guy/GM Bulls nation hates. Well, he died. So do ya'll see how important he was to the organization now.
@@Alvini_LinguineShutyogoofyassup😂
@@johnharris3455bro no one’s reading this
This man’s narrating is crazy. I thought I was watching a 2k “what if” video 🤣🤣
Although I'm not (primarily) a Hornets fan, being a Charlotte resident and hearing the Hornet's announcer say "Kemmmmbaaaa Walkkkkeerrrr" still gives me goosebumps
Man, this just shows that great players dont make great GMs or coaches. Yet, some people get upset when you point this simple truth out.
I always thought of it as a codependent relationship. The players and staff need the organization as well as the organization needs the staff and the players. It's rare to see that type of cohesion nowadays in the NBA.
@manzac112 Very true. It feels like front office is more often than not acting against the best wishes of their players. Or some players with enough sway, use that to influence or straight up walk into the boardroom to make decisions. Those decisions are often made for selfish reasons.
Larry Bird and Jerry West.
@@inhop2443those are the two exceptions. Pretty much every other nba legend has been a terrible GM
Jordan wasn't the coach or GM.
This is an OUTSTANDING video. I would love to see more like this about all the other teams
I haven't followed the NBA since 2016. I'm just now coming back to the NBA and I came across this channel. I have to say, I love the content! Thanks for getting me caught up on everything I've missed over the years. Appreciate you.
Thank you! 🙏
Was happening to come through reading the comments and saw this. Glad my channel got you back in the game 😁
AD pelicans 2012-2019 would be interesting for a video as they only made the playoffs twice with him mostly the fault of the pelicans organization surrounding him with garabge role players
God him and boogie woulda been such a problem
Love the vids bro they help me go to sleep, keep up the good work
Hey Alvin, I am new to your channel and very impressed with your content and the way you present your videos . They're very informative and your tone of voice describing the action combined with your presentation leaves no room for your videos being dull & boring. I'm a Charlotte Hornets/ Bobcats fan since their beginning and had to endure a lot of losing with my franchise. But hey, I staked my claimi on them and they're the team that I ride & die with, for better or worse. And I watched this video ,thanks to how you presented it, hoping of a different outcome other than the one I knew was coming. 😂. But thank you for this. I see the effort you put into your productions thus the quality of your videos. So keep up the good work and am looking forward to all others you put out.
GAH DAMN my guy Alvinni the goat for real he deserves all the love and attention and man when it comes I will be glad to know I’m a Day 1 and progression will be legendary and I will feel like a proud father almost 😂
This is an incredible deep dive and very entertaining… great job
Thank you 🙏💪
Lifelong Hornets fan. What's a Bobcat? Refuse to acknowledge. I'm just going to chop it up about Mourning, Grandmama, Mugsy, Dell, and how we didn't do enough to help Kemba.
Edit: 37:52 Stu Scott, R.I.P. 🙏
Get this man more subscribers goddamn he deserves it
One video at a time. We’ll get there 😤😈
Love your videos, especially the longer ones about franchise screw up histories. Got two that would probably be about 5 hours apiece: Knicks since 1990 or Trailblazers since 1989. Or just shorter stuff. Knicks point guard shenanigans since around 1987 or Jailblazers to Dame timeline.
Great Doc!!! But can we talk about your music selection in the background tho ✊🏾🔥🤙🏾
Why thank you. Learned the art of using copyrighted music in my videos 😤
I never realized how truthfully mid they were in the that time like always winning between 30-35 wins is so deflating
Cant believe i watched the entire thing...well done man u deserve more subscribers.. any chance u will do kne on the Mavericks?
alvini linguine vid the length of the nolan batman movies? sign me up
Been waiting on this own
Great documentary🔥 Love this type of long form content
How do you not more subs very underrated channel and very knowledgeable
Couldn't tell you. But one video at a time!
Finally it's here I know it's bout to be a banger
As a Hornets fan, this hurts. Sincerely
I’m sorry, but the people wanted this 🥲
Hornets haven't won a playoff series since 2002...haven't ever been in the conference finals..longest streak in the nba and won 3 playoff games since coming back in 04....they took 14 years to win a playoff game...insane
Morrison got hit with the meanest ankle-breaker on the weakest move 💀💀
lost his whole leg on a dribble pick-up😂
Great vid
One of the franchises of all time
I love the depth of these videos. My ONLY gripe is PLEASE learn “RELEGATED” vs “REGULATED”
Thank you 🙏. Glad y’all enjoy my rambling and over explaining. And gotcha on that other one 😭😭😭
Larry Brown also get credit for clips first playoff run in something like 25 years at the time. Really the beginning of that team heading in the right direction until now.
this is a banger
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Nc resident. Hornets / Bobcats always got unlucky in the draft order. Always picking the wrong player.
It killed me to see how many times they got moved BACK in the draft. They could’ve drafted AD easily but for some reason the Hornets got the string of luck after trading CP3 like if it wasn’t the Bobcats drowning for almost a decade 😭
@@Alvini_Linguine And, what made it worse was the Lakers trade that they had was actually a better offer that would have benefited the Hornets and they still could have gotten Anthony Davis.
It would have eventually asked to trade it no way he turns down the opportunity to team with LeBron @@Alvini_Linguine
What music did you use for this? Can you please post the "playlist"? I can't Shazam anything lol
Derick Rose catchin strays💀
Adam Morrison wasn't a bad pick, dude averaged 28 and 5 for Gonzaga on like 53% from the field and 43% from 3. And if I remember correctly he was the runner up to JJ Reddick for consensus NCAA player of the year. No one could've seen that he would end up being a bust who would get injured, didn't halfway care about NBA basketball, and didn't take showers after games lol.
I legit explained the fact he wasn’t a NBA athlete was his biggest red flag and didn’t have the skills to be what he was in a different NBA environment. Some skills translate, some don’t. Some people can’t dominate college like they did in HS and some people can’t dominate the NBA like they could in college.
I think there is a chance in today’s NBA that he might’ve been able to do something because of the fact that the NBA is way less physical and way more offensive oriented so he could’ve maybe gotten away with his lack of defense and athletic ability, but who knows Because he still couldn’t shoot, even though he should’ve been able to do at least that
My goodness over 2.5 hours!
I wonder how that happened 🫣
You should do the Bulls since DRoses first acl injury. Pretty much the same with bad draft picks, bad trades, and stuck in mediocrity.
I think that might be the one in April. Because everyone has been begging for that one 😭
Video is fucking fire dawg thank you gained a sub
Good video
Could you do a story on donte stallworth🙏🏿👀
Please please please do this for the timberwolves. Show everyone else why we need to embrace and enjoy every moment ANT gives us
Hehehehehe. Would be a fun one for sure 😈
🎉 yes more long videos you feeding families with these do my poverty wizards nation next 😢
The best thing the Hornets ever did was come out with those windbreakers that we ALL had
Crazy it was 2 to 4 years then NBA and now its 1 but the 2 to 4 will come back with NIL for players who doubt making it past a rookie in the NBA
you should do the vancouver grizzlies/Memphis grizzlies
i’m glad you’re not one of those people who just skip over the awful person derrick rose is, great video!!
Do more on toronto rappers from Canada 🇨🇦
Can you do the process era sixers? 8:29
What’s the sound in the background at around 1:32:17 and like the 30 seconds before that? Shit slaps fr
Yeah, it's from the Boondocks Soundtrack "Thank you for not Snitching"
I like this channel and I hate to say anything but..........
NBA coaches get hired with no experience all the time, all the time. It's a huge talking point when it happens, every year. What about "mark Jackson" or whoever hasn't got rehired lately.
Thank you
44 minutes....damn 3.5 blocks per game from DJ Augustine...what a beast rim protector he must have been!!🤯
Can it even be called a rebuild when this iteration of the team has never actually been built?
This isn't the same team as the old Hornets and didn't have the assets the similarly frustrating Pelicans had. And that team was bad. Very bad. That's like the worst possible start for a franchise as you could imagine.
You should make a video about how it the wolves to get to the 1 seed after years of hell 😭
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Thanks, man!
1:13:06 man I almost forgot about him god damn it 😔😔bad time to be a Cavs fan
"You're playing like THUGS" LMAOOOOOOOOO!
33:13 He got crossed up by Bill Walton's son.
If you are a Bobcats/Hornets fan, I have a feeling this was the moment of the epiphany you had that Adam Morrison was a complete and utter bust, even though it had only been a couple of years into his career.
Miiiiiiidddddddd.
I miss heel MJF
1:10:00
y is speed used as the graphic there😨😭
Yea you should do a vid on the summer of 2016 even looking back those crazy deals make me cringe today lol
Alvini are you from Western Tennessee. Those Rs sound like memphis
Travel another state down south and you got it.
@@Alvini_Linguine the Sip okay yeah I was close. I knew the region lol
@@JoshuaKimbrough No, Alabama 😭. But close enough lol
This last draft was the final straw for me as a former Hornets fan. I'm not sold on Miller, his off-court associates and issues concern me. The waiving of perennial DUI dude Bouknight was a good sign. If I were the Hornets GM, I would flip Melo and Bridges as well.
Btw, during the first time out after Bridges came back, The Hornet's decided to play "Baby don't hurt me" for the crowd and two Hugo the Hornet mascots acted out a domestic fight on the court! Like, what the! I turned the game off right then and there.
Let's be honest Adam was being compared to Bird at the time... one of the few players that Jordan always struggled with... the pick made sense.
And jokic is the 2nd larry bird...
it is genuinely surprising that the hornets haven't been re-located again, i wouldn't be shocked to see them moved if they continue to be this bad
As a kings fan nah that’s not the move. Charlotte has a good amount of basketball history and I don’t think that’s the move. At this point I think there’s enough history with almost all these teams to argue relocation as a whole is not viable.
Fuck!!!! You didn’t have to do my hornets like this 😢 😭 I’ll be back to watch all 2hours
😂😂😂
I know right
37:53 - How do you not know that commentator is the legend, Stuart Scott?
I grew up in NC at a time when Larry Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, Dell Curry and Mugsy Bogues were a thing. Glorious time. Also, a UNC fan over Duke, fuck Duke forever and always.
i will say this about adam morrison - was he overhyped? yes. did the bobcats play him in an unnecessary role of a lead scorer? yes. but do people realize he was playing (both in the ncaa and the league) with type 1 diabetes, which is a severe severe chronic condition? no. adam morrison definitely overachieved considering the physical limitations life put ahead of him. it's just a shame that the hype led him to a franchise that didn't understand how to use him while he still had his legs. i'm 100% sure had he been used cautiously (again, because of his type 1 diabetes) he could have turned into a valuable long range shooter like ryan anderson or jj reddick, with maybe less minutes than those guys.
Either way you put it, he's a champion in this game called life despite the limitations he was born with. Made Millions in the league, a college legend, and can say he can retire at a very young age. Sometimes in life it is all about being in the right situation. He was NOT in the right one.
Jordan really screwed up lmao... But even without him, i doubt the hornets will be better anytime soon unless lamelo and miller go ham next season...
As a Cavs fan, I would like to sue you for emotional distress for reminding me that we had John Beliein as a coach at one point
Slugs > Thugs 😤
Andrei kirenlenko did that stl and blow more than once to
This really activates my almonds
gotta do a wizards timeline
OH MY GOD 2 HORS OF PEAK??
This guy Cash Considerations seems to be passed around the league a lot. Did he ever pan out?
The hornets, whether you're talking about the bobcats version or the pelicans version, have been historically bad no matter who is in charge...its not a good place to recruit or even keep big names to...its just a feeder franchise for the premier ones to take players from and pad that win column against
Bro Gerald Wallace wasn't a benchwarmer in Sacramento. He balled out .
Wallace was absolutely a bench warmer in Sacramento. Although that was hardly his fault as the team was pretty deep from 02-04. Good he got to breakout elsewhere.
As a Knicks fan, I truly understand the fucking up draft picks but at least they never refused to tank
I don’t know why but I wish the bobcats struck around longer, I liked the logo and uniforms
The Orange was LOUD but man I would rock a Bobcats Jersey rn.
Michael Jordan owes Jerry Krause an apology
Do the Chicago bulls and the Knicks next
36:28 caught me off guard lmao
Many people don't remember that court case lol
I feel like there's always this revisionist history around Adam Morrison, was he great right out of the box? No obviously not, but was he bad or highly disappointing in his rookie year? No.
He was 4th in Rookie of the Year voting and ahead of players like rondo, lemarcus aldridrige, lowry, millsap. He was a ready to go player with a game that would have suited today's NBA really well. The big thing with Morrison was he tore his ACL in his knee and we've seen what that does to a players athleticism over and over. He was already slow and with the ACL injury his career was over before anyone got to see what it really could have been.
Also if a 6-8 SF was coming out of college today shooting 50/40/80 they would probably still go in the top 3 and it's not like the rest of the draft was great. There's maybe 3-4 players they missed out on like Lowry, Rondo and Roy but they weren't going to be grabbing any of them at pick 3 anyways since besides Roy the others were picked in the mid 20's. I mean the first pick in the draft was Andrea Bargnani so that goes to tell you right there how good of a draft this was.
If Scottie Pippen was the gen manager/owner of the Bobcats, they wud have won a championship
Michale Jordan, after having taken all the Ws, cannot stop taking Ls.
Only 9 minutes in and 2 ads? Sheesh. How many more by the time it ends?
TH-cam red was the best investment in my life
Conceded ego trip to name the bobcats after yourself.
I love you Stephanie Ready 😍😘
Okay that clip of Shaq around 1:26:36 is fucking wild
Bruh I cannot believe this franchise still exist after drafting and trading Kobe and SGA 🤦🏽♂️
Thank You Alvini my hate for Jordan summed up story needs to be told
Just doing what heroes are supposed to do 🫡