The Governing Body's "Inspired" Authority: We Speak for God... Sometimes
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- The Governing Body demands strict obedience from eight million plus Jehovah's Witnesses today. Their self proclaimed authority spans almost two centuries, with bold reminders that they are 'god's mouthpiece' and that they alone receive instructions directly from Jesus Christ. With a long history of changing doctrines, mistakes and ever changing policies... they then say, in print, that "Jesus never said we would be perfect..." We have some questions: Are they inspired? Infallible? Should we obey them?
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The one thing I look forward to Monday mornings! Thank you, Stacey!
He really does make Monday mornings suck a little less lol.
Thanks so much Phil!!
@@BlackFlagHeathen Thanks my friend!
Driving to work listening to this podcast on this Monday morning.
Thank you my fellow bearded friend! :)
When I found out about the "Governing Body is neither inspired or infallible" -bit that made me ANGRY. I try my best to give the benefit of the doubt to the individuals in the organization, all the way to the top, and believe (until evidence is provided to the contrary) that they are not evil, or knowingly deceiving people, but that bit.... Ohhh, that makes it DIFFICULT to do. If you admit that you are neither inspired or infallible, then WHAT are you doing, giving orders and demanding absolute obedience?!
The comparison to Jonestown is chilling, and not the first time it's been brought up concerning the infamous "follow the direction no matter how illogical it sounds from a human standpoint" -quote. If memory serves, they doubled down on that in a later issue, too, didn't they? It's crazy to think how we used to just sit at the Kingdom Hall and nod along to everything and anything said from the stage.
Exactly Elecyah! When you demand life or death obedience but claim to make mistakes along the way....you're a cult. We were all indoctrinated into the evil. They know what they're doing in my opinion!
In the words of Peter Pan, Stacey, "Bangaranggg!" Another great show! You never disappoint.
Awww, thanks Penny...and I'm a Peter Pan fan.....who doesn't want to fly and not get old?? ;)
Excellent work thank you 😊
Thank you Patrick!
Thanks for another great episode Sir. It's so sad to watch people you love blindly follow this craziness.
Thank you Deo, so true! :(
Amazing! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you Pamela!!!
It baffles me why JW's can not see these contradictions perhaps it's the rewards they offer for following them are just to enticing. Another great podcast.
Thanks so much Nicholson. I've had several conversations with people since this morning: why can't they see this?? Cognitive dissonance is real....and the lure of living forever in a paradise with six pack abs and a pet tiger is jammed down their throat constantly! It's tragic
You and other people do the same thing. It is hard to get people to understand something their existence/happiness demands they stay confused.
Too
A huge part of the problem is that most JW’s avoid all forms of negative information about the WT. it is hard to see contradictions if you work hard to never contact them.
@@dolam They sure do, despite Jesus saying truth could never be hidden....
Best sunday evening event!!
Thanks Randy!
Great video, as usual. Such a nice way to ease into my work week. Thank you sir!
Thank you so much Jus! :)
That 2013 watchtower quote always sends chills down my spine.
The watchtower leadership is Demonic. "get out of her my people" lol
Thank you, Stacy.
Much love my brother ❤️
#baptized@9
Brian Gibbs.
The all time worst quote in WT history in my opinion. Chilling. Cult.
I am not going to judge the GB or they being anointed, that is between the individual members and Jehovah. However, I question why ALL of the GB members are white with 1 African American who as anyone can clearly discern, has a white ancestor. Aren't there any chocolate brothers who are anointed that SHOULD be part of that group? Since Jesus is the exact representation of his father's being, what has happened to what Peter said that God is not PARTIAL, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him? Are chocolate men acceptable to Jesus? If so why not 1 of them sits on the GB? Not judging, just wondering.
@@Coral-lu5hi It's a VERY noticeable slight! There is zero diversity on the GB aside from Sam Herd. It's shocking.....especially when you represent ALL OF MANKIND....unreal
Stacey, I don't believe these 9 men called governing body are running things. I truly believe there are others behind the scenes in charge. I may be wrong, but what does a group of older men want with a movie studio or theme park? Seems like a money making venture pushed by those behind the scenes.
Maybe if people did some research on ancient Babylon and Nimrod they might understand who Babylon the great Mother of the Harlots is and why people need to get out of her. If you all want to comingle with a prostitute that is your business. When she is destroyed by the political entities those supporting her will suffer her plagues.
“Tony Moses“- 😅😅, haha this kept echoing while I listened.
Hope he’s going to write a book - would be a good title
Thanks for the podcast some very relevant points in this one.
LOL....that was an interesting 'slip'.....;)
Also, Jesus drunk dialing them had me rolling! 😂
@@aloramermaidful ....you get me LOL
I look forward to these every week...Thank you!!
Thank you Sherrell...that is very kind; appreciate you!
Attended meetings in 2019 to 21. I was surprised by how often " the slave " was mentioned in prayers- certainly more than Jesus who usually given cursory close of the prayer. I dont remember hearing them mentioned like that back in the 80s and 90s.
I occasionally gave prayers at meetings or the book study and never mentioned them
I see the Gb as figureheads to the corporation I think there are powers behind the scene with a lot of pull whether it is lawyers, corporate types. Appreciate the video!.
Very interesting Phil! Yes, for those that come into the the 'org' later, it has to be a different experience...you notice things you take for granted when you're raised a JW
I left the Watchtower organization in 1992, but just so happened to be in the Kingdom Hall at the Watchtower Study when that February 15, 2017 was being studied. I could not believe my eyes when I saw that statement “The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible...”. I wanted to raise my hand and say “that means what they say is not from God but is their own opinion. And it might be right, or it might not. So why do we have to listen to them?” I doubt they would have called on me after 25 years of not being there.. lol
YES Gene!!! They condemned themselves as frauds....and yet, here we are!! And a common JW just can't see it....it takes something to wake them up
The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible and is a true statement. By the power of God's spirit is what leads the shepherds of the JW organization. The GB members are shepherds with a specific job of feeding the sheep at the proper time with God's spirit. They are not Apostles, nor can they perform miracles. They are no different than other JW members except they have a different hope. The GB never speaks of their own opinion, nor do they make rules.
59:00 "Ah, that I think that would SEEM to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using"
is the exact quote. Semantics. "Seem" is the keyword, he did not deny it.
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Yes, being an evasive little bish. I'm sure the solicitor was just tired of pulling teeth at that moment
@@rdhawk929 😂
Good catch! Thank you PL!
@@survivingparadisepodcast You're welcome, it is sly but i always hear people quoting this and they miss the trick.
The governing body has a serious credibility problem. The power They once held over the rank and file has diminished to the point that their edicts are quietly ignored. That's my take. The congregations play lip service while watching the clock through another mind-numbing talk.
I used to leave at half time, better shows on TV at home.
Very true, MANY don't obey some of the demands. They secretly do what they want and show up to the meetings. There are many that question their 'leadership'
Super and so true!! All religions claim that god speaks to them, and they are the only ones who understand and are able to explain the Bible and then what follows is the begging for money…..ALL are like that. As a JW you think “we are not like that”. I know, cause I used to think like that too!
Right? We never dreamed that we were caught up in something false....we thought everyone else was 'bad'....but we had all the answers. It's crazy when you look back!
@@survivingparadisepodcast the end was very powerful, thanks again for another great video!!
@@beautyRest1 Thank you Beauty!
Another incredible video. Had me laughing so much! Crazy to think I lived in bethel for a year full time and was an MS for many years 🤣 and baptized at 8! My whole life in the organization and I didn’t even know a sliver of the background. They push origin of holidays on us every 5 seconds but when it comes to the origins of the organization maybe the phone line to heaven was a bit choppy?😂😂😂 much love man these videos are incredible! Would love to get to meet you one day
Thanks Yappy! I would love that too!! WOW, I bet you have some great stories......and baptized at eight???? OH NO!
Hi thanks you are gifted no doubt about that.we appreciate all your hard work regards from England
Wow, thanks a ton Gabriel, I appreciate that!!
I remember reading The Insight book and feeling like it was more of the same fake scholarship as the watchtower magazines, just in bound volume. It lacked so much, especially compared to serious works like Barnes' Notes, by which I felt spiritually edified. It's around this time I knew I was in trouble😊
That amazing two volume set of paper weights!! They were so painfully juvenile
You remind me of how I used to stuggle to prepare a talk in the Theocratic School! I could never make sense of the references and ended up just keeping it simple... I hated it!
Should check some old files on our server where I still have a few
@@naomiwillemsen9836 LOL....oh yes, my talk outlines!
@@survivingparadisepodcast curious about yours! Probably the sisters had it easier than the brothers to put together a ’sensible’ talk 😅
@@naomiwillemsen9836 That is the only stage time a woman can get! A talk on the School! LOL
Very sobering indeed. On a lighter note, even though sisters got booted from the slave class, will they still receive their society issued Kenny Rodgers beards when they start their heavenly course?
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Some already have fair start...😮
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@@mattmurdock2868 LOL.....Matt!!!
LOL, of course!!! And they won't be singing the Kenny Rogers classic "Lady"...... ;)
👋🏼🌞 Thanks for the logical reasoning. I’ve stopped listening to those 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 a long time ago! 🥰👍🏼
Thanks DY, lol and I'm VERY glad you did!
Awesome, awesome job Stacey! Damn, this was a “mic drop” episode if there ever was one!!! It’s impossible for any rationally thinking person to not be able to connect the dots in regards to what that organization has done and is doing. And if anyone reading this comment rebuffs the effective referencing of older literature, please keep in mind this quote from the 3/1 ‘98 Watchtower pp 4-7,
“The record of history, which some religions would like to be forgotten, helps us to identify not only those whom Jesus called
"false prophets" but also those who have produced "fine fruit."
What you just heard masterfully referenced on this podcast is the “record of history” as told by “God”s spokesman”.
We’ve got amazing brains people…they are OURS to use.
EDIT: I just would like to clarify that my comment regarding a “mic drop” was purely from the standpoint of the evidence being irrefutable. No disrespect meant to anyone who read my comment. 😊
Thanks for that quote.
You heard of the expression by your own words you condemn yourself😂.
Quotes like that studied me out of the tower it wasn’t even so called apostate literature.
@@broncosbest6441 same thing happened to me. Decided I needed to know the history of the organization I was dedicating my life to and it took less than a week for this 3rd gen born in to be done with the tower. Congrats to you my friend!!!
@@96t5wagon Likewise! I hope you didn’t sustain too much damage on the way out! 3rd generation! Or was it one generation overlapping one another to make one when it’s several😂. There’s a great channel called watchtower history on you tube -the history of the org is rotten fruit indeed! No wonder they deleted the old stuff.
@@broncosbest6441 unraveling all that garbage is taking time but channels like this one and others are a tremendous help! The generation nonsense was something I had often wondered about too…😂
@@96t5wagon Yes there’s so many channels now it’s hard to keep up! I do tend to keep up with this one though! It’s good that there are references to the org’s own literature consistently in it. I don’t know when you left but if you sitting there watching JW broadcasting and there’s no alarms going off in addition to reading the literature I find that hard to believe. You can ignore alarms but there’s way too many going off it’s deafening.
Great show ❤
Thanks Adrian, appreciate you listening!
"Their delusion and their deceit has no bounds." Truer words weren't ever spoken.
I remember Jonestown. The GB has blood on their hands, too.
Lots and lots of blood!
@@survivingparadisepodcast They just should have stayed off camera. I was with you, as a kid, clueless. I imagined they had the old dial-up red phone with a non-party line straight up to Jehovah & Jesus.
By showing themselves, idiots. All idiots. But dangerous idiots.
Great job at connecting the dots. You keep them really close together which is very good. I struggle with authority also. In fact, the wt society struggled with worldly authority too. We went through the persecutions at school from everybody. We were on our own as little kids. We were groomed to dis-trust the governments. Now the neutral g.b. is pretty much waving the ukranian flag.
Thanks Penny....I was a little all over the board, so I appreciate that! Authority is a real issue for this guy ;)
@@survivingparadisepodcast You're welcome. It's my delight to encourage those, who can do it much better than some, to speak loud and proud about the erroneous world we were coerced into (wt society). You've got the training and natural gifts to speak well (from wt schools/training) so I love to see their own weapons being used against them. The governing body are embarassing fools/non-thinkers/yesmen for their owners/operators/inve$tor$. Authority is an issue for this gal too. It's easy for me to see into the authority now that I was abused from the wt, now the wt wants their human rights (as one religious body) respected! A$$hat$! Individual jw attenders are on their own/sitting ducks actually. They are nobody in the org unless they are doing the bidding of the wt. The worldly justice has to help them personally.
Another great video and points made rationally. That watchtower about blind obedience was certainly a wake up call.
Stacey, have you checked our Theramintrees ? I think you might enjoy it. There is a series about the psychology of the governing body.
Thank you Freddy! No, I haven't heard of them, thank you for the reference, I'll look!
Oops!...Stacey, you did it again, exposing the GB as uninspired. Stacey, you inspire me! 🌠
:) thank you Estee!!
Loved this episode!! So on point!!
Thanks you Fade!!
OnPoint as usual
thanks Jaybyrd!
Appreciate all your research. You have a great logical delivery!
Thank you so much Deb!
Thanks again mate for all you do Peter from Australia.
Thanks Peter, love Australia!
Thank You once again for all your hard work revealing the truth about the gborg. I'm thankful I got out during the "plan"demic. I hope everyone gets out of ALL religions. Revelation chapter 18;
John 4:23, 24.
SO glad you're free! I'm not a fan of religion either....but this one? Well..... ;)
Sheesh, what an awesome, succinct way to present this clear & obvious information, using ONLY their publication.
I’m so happy I broke free, & things like this is y I woke up. I have chills just revisiting these articles in my research, &/or WT studies when the light started to click on.
Btw, I’ve said this b4, but my goodness are our stories similar. I, too, knew Guy & his wife Penny. In fact, when Guy died, Penny came & we had her over for a meal. (They were close friends to our C.O)
Excellent, EXCELLENT breakdown. Look fwd to the next podcast.
Thank you George! WOW, small world knowing the Pierces'...unbelievable, VERY similar!! Once you begin looking into this and studying outside a KH, it's an emotional journey!
Great job! Digging this. The truth is coming out.
;) thanks Natalie!
Great work. Exactly the reasons i left. Thanks 👍
Thanks Jiri, so glad you're out!
About the pukey pink paradise lost book, i colored all the pictures. Yes, a blastphemy. I thought the oroginal pics were like looking at dry bread.
😂🤣 Oh man, the time we spent doing that in publications......so fun!
Still one of my favorite episodes. I really love this one
Thanks 96!! I really enjoyed this one as well.....it really exposes the insanity!
Wow this was so eye opening and chilling. You are so spot on!
Thanks Heather!
Why do they default to male when at human conception we are all phenotypically female?? So women are in effect cursed because we didn't change to male?? So the curse is lifted and the anointed women are changed to male when they get to heaven?? What the entire hell?? Life wouldn't be here without women!
I truly want to do an entire episode on the 'under the radar' misogyny ...and this is a great example. Cut out of the 'faithful & discreet slave'.....live in heaven and depicted as men....there are so many subtle reminders that this is a 'man's religion'
This is the best video I've seen on this subject by far. Thank you
Thank you Corey!!
I am a ex JW the organization and the governing body should be held accountable they are bloodguilty and should pay for what they have done to so many people. Shame,shame on them if their god is Jehovah and Jesus I guess they do not care enough to do something about they say it’s not Jehovahs time yet to me it is bull crap I hope that all religion goes they all deserve it remember what you reap is what you sow. Keep up the good work. Love to hear your sincere words from the heart I do no believe in any religion Jehovah or Jesus period.
I agree Cecilia!!! What they have done is sinister and has cost people their lives!! I laugh, but inside, I cry!
You are describing your own messiah lifetime. Your relationship to authority defines one of your important traits. Your respect for the 10 commandments is another. It's clear from your association with the JW's that you are a great prophet of Omnist Jehovah Witnessing. You're finding the holes in your old religion and creating a new one closer to mine than your old one. You are invited to be one of my companions on our first voyage of finding historical truth, if you wish to sign on before I find a better candidate. Congratulations!
Had a psych NP (my boss at the time) tell me I clearly had a problem with authority- gee, ya think?!?! As a born in who had this unwavering demand of blind obedience and DF’d destroying all I had ever known? NO WAY 😂.
Superb presentation 👏 👌
Thank you SO much Dawn!
My father was a Presiding Overseer. He physically beat my siblings and I when we asked questions that he couldn't answer.
OMG Matthew.....straight up abuse! I'm so sorry!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I am finding out the extent of it now through my younger sister. I have no memory of it, I have suppressed it.
It is downright chilling the blind obedience they are demanding from their followers. We were skinned and thrown about like a sheep without a shepherd. I remember Jonestown too and it was devastating to think about the lives lost especially the children. So sad and so scary how this organization is operating. Thank you for the work you are doing shining a light on all of this.
I agree Snookered!! It's sinister and it's critical we help innocent people steer clear of something so devastating! Thank YOU for listening!
Well, your comments are perplexing because the governing body never have taught that they were inspired, only that they have holy spirit, but are not inspired by it, and I would say that that absolutely makes no sense, because being directed by holy spirit, which they do claim, is, essentially part and parcel of what being inspired by Holy Spirit is basically. It’s like them saying ; “we have the water without the wet”.
So how can you have the water without the wet? YOU CAN’T.
Inspiration in the biblical sense is defined as, “God breathed or Divine breath”. So their self proclaimed authority to speak as the “mouthpiece of God or word of God” could be considered slander against the holy spirit itself, could it not? The spirit they show is not the spirit of Christ, and the track record of Godly truths is abysmal.
The Holy Spirit is not going to direct false truths against its own interest, yet that is exactly what the governing body is doing which brings reproach and a loss of faith and disbelief in God himself. All of this is on the governing body shoulders before Jehovah God. “ Judgment begins with the house of God”.
Charles, you're correct on all points. However, you can make a very strong argument for them claiming 'inspiration' or IMPLYING inspiration as well. You simply cannot claim you receive direction directly from the creator and his son, claim it came from them and expect all of humanity to obey it up and through dying for it. An example that arguably conveys that they're 'inspired' in some way: "When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood." - Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23
@@survivingparadisepodcast well, we both know they manipulate scripture however they wish, what was the light of truth at one point in time is casually tossed out when it is no longer useful for their purposes and that’s when Proverbs 4:18-22 comes in, then we have “new light” as “present truth”, yada, yada, yada. In my mind and heart it’s all very sad really.
@@charlesmorris6476 SO TRUE! There is always 'new' light LOL. It's TRAGIC.....manipulating the mind of millions on a whim :(
@@survivingparadisepodcast and yet, the Watchtower doesn’t contain the whims of men.
“Alex, I’ll take Watchtower Bullshit for $500 please”
This has been one of the most powerful messages you have delivered, my friend, and I thank you for it from the bottom of my heart. You have strengthened my resolve that, having escaped from this dangerous cult, I will never return or even look back. This was no "long, rambling diatribe" but very important information.
Thank you Raymond! That makes my day! I'm so appreciative of feedback and couldn't be more grateful that this little thing would help someone!
@@survivingparadisepodcast Let me share this with you: My judicial committee told me that the only way I would be reinstated was if I would accept their assertion that the WTBTS was the sole channel of communicating truth to humanity that God was using. Not, did I love God; not did I want to follow his Son; not even if I repented of being a gay man. No. The most important thing they wanted was my pledge of allegiance to the primacy of the WTBTS!! That said it all.
@@tellusorbit I'm disgusted to read this but not in the least bit surprised!! It's shocking and disturbing, I hope you're finding some peace and comfort Raymond!
Awesome podcast,,,, and wow really Stacey did you really laugh behind behind Chuck Russel's pyramid tombstone lol😂😂😂😂 I love you 😂😂😂😂😂, after my eyes opened up about this cult I've asked myself if Charles Taze Russell was still alive shit would he had been shunned by the JWS since they changed his doctrines lol, and yes that incident with Jim Jones was intense, saw on TH-cam the other day,,,, great podcast again hope to hear your response this week didn't last week if not when you can and hey be great 👍, till next week .
Thanks David! LOL, I sure did....I got photos to prove it. You can see it on our podcast website. Me just laughing....I'll never forget walking up to that thing and just laughing until I couldn't breath!
I think we were suppose to stop listening to Tony Morris 111 when he stated Homosexual were designing tight 👖 Jeans to make us attracted to mens tight buttocks! Yes, I think that was when Jesus told us to stop listening to Tony! Yup! I think the GB Herd via text message from 😇 Angels Tony Boy is finished at that moment!
😂 Jesus canceled Tony's cell phone plan!
Every time I think of the GB I remember the song by one of my favourite aussie bands out called the The Angels who started back in the 70's Called am I ever gonna see your face again ( No way get f****d f**k off .
LOL, I'm not in search of that song!!!
Thank you for another great week Stacy! I am always disgusted by the information that was hidden from us as Witnesses. Each week I learn something about the WTBTS from you that I would have never known if I were still in the cult. How is it that as Witnesses we never knew any of this? Do you think its because we were so overwhelmed with meetings and studies that we were just to exhausted to look further? I don't know. But it sure make me wonder. Hugs Stacy, Thank you!
Thank you Liv, huge HUGS back! YES, they kept us in a perpetual schedule of propaganda....many of us since the time of childhood. It never dawned on us to take a closer look and it's a tool all cults use! It's a very good question!
I’ve been free of this crazy cult for one year now. it’s been an amazing year. Thanks Stacy you among many activists have really helped me to open my eyes to this false religion that is far from the truth thank you.
@@Womanmad1 So glad you're out Womanmad! Thank you for your support and listening!! The first year is both awesome and can be painful, be good to yourself!
This religion was founded on questioning authority and now they claim to be the only true authority. They teach people that it's okay to question religious authority, unless it's about their authority.
They could say: "We may be wrong sometimes, but you must always listen to us as if we were never wrong."
One of the things that kept me from becoming a JW was when I found out how often they changed their mind about whether the people of Sodom and Gomorrah would be resurrected. How is it that we believe yes one day and no the next? It does not make sense.
Right! And they have changed the Sodom & Gomorrah resurrection hope several times!!! How is that possible??
All true
Quote "I think that would SEEM to be quite presumptuous, to say we are the only spokespersons for God" Jackson was very sneaky in his wording
GREAT catch Lynn, someone else reminded me as well...truly appreciated....by missing that, I missed the true impact of his deceit! Thank you!
This is the only question that is needed, demonstrate the governing body is inspired or getting Holy Spirit. If they can prove in a scientific method sort of way this is so, then sure, it all can make sense. But we all went into this not asking that question. This was not part of the Bible study material. I imagine the people that did ask this question were shut down, and the Bible teachers went off to look for someone in a more agreeable trauma condition that just want to know about a paradise
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1:03:14 No. in Jonestown, some survived. Like Jones’ sons survived. The theory is that Jones was trying to escape and someone forced him to drink his own cool-aid; based on is body position and other evidence.
Some did survive B1, but 909 did not. And Jones was the leader. Horrific responsibility for loss of life.....with hundreds of children
2 Corinthians 5:20 “Therefore, we are ambassadors SUBSTITUTING for Christ, as though God was making an appeal through us” NWT.
2 Corinthians 5:20 “For Christ therefore we are ambassadors, God as it were exhorting by us For Christ, we beseech you be reconciled to God” KJV.
That is why they had to get their own Bible to support this GB concept double talking nonsense
GREAT reference Bronco!
Did they actually say ooops sorry or was it just oops because I've never heard them say sorry.
Oh no, they never apologize .....I'm sure I just threw in an 'oops'
You’re amazing Stacy. Thank you for devoting your time and delivering this top notch content. The GB would be furious if they (Samual) Herd this. Sorry. Had to throw that in there.
But very much, a potential loss of JW members, with just this episode alone! Can’t argue the facts 🙏
Thank you L.A.!! I appreciate you listening and the kind words! I agree, Sam wouldn't be too happy LOL!
Jesus would not produce perfect spiritual food. Every time I hear those words I ask a JW, then Jesus and Jehovah are imperfect? Of course they stutter and just say “that’s not what they mean” 🤦🏻♂️
VERY easy logic Reinaldo!! Agree!
The unthinkable happened here. A long serving Elder with 6 boys and 1 daughter. The son of 25 was disfellowshipped but had a medical problem, which became severe and he needed his parents help but they turned their backs on him. So he got so bad the worldy people near him brought him to his Elder father asking what kind of a father turns his back on his own son who is near death? They rushed him to the hospital where the doctors tried to save him but also wanted to use a blood transfusion as a last effort but the son refused and soon died at the age of 25. The doctors told the Elder if he had gotten his son to the hospitals sooner they could have saved him with just antibiotics but he was to malnutritioned for his body to fight the infection. Now many brothers are showing up at the Elder home. It shows shunning is a plague within the Congregations. They Bury him Friday on the Grandfather's plot. Imagine the guilt that Elder has now. Will he ever be able to read about the prodigal son and live with himself? I could not I would rather be dead myself than to do such a thing to my own son. And many seen him reject his own son when he needed his father most. So sad!
OMG! That is tragic Universe! HORRIFIC!!! 25 years old!! I can't hate these stories enough!
@@survivingparadisepodcast what is worse Stacey my wife was their teacher and taught them all through primary school. She was crying all night and for the first time she realises the devastating effect of shunning, the reality hit her hard emotionally. Parents refusing to help their own child, and dies solely because they kicked him out of the house without support of anykind. I can't imagine! He was so malnutritioned his body could not fight off infection! That's Africa Congregations! And this is just one case of born in youths baptised early.
@@universeworld1782 I'm horrified at this story!!! Your wife must be devastated! I'm speechless on how anyone thinks a 'god of love' blesses this stuff!
There are many "heavens" and "hells" for those who practice JW - ones that work more or less as advertised and ones for those whose faith in God was really faith in their own faux virtue and ability to forgive their own sins
Is there a SurvingParadisePodcast anywhere else online?
Apple Podcasts and Spotify
Hi Majecal, we can be found on all the major podcast hosting spots! Spotify, Apple, Google, Podbean, etc.
Listening in the car via Spotify, replying via YT! 😅
Jane Doh ex jw videos are alarming 🤨 your videos have more subscribers by far
Thank you Jane! We try to keep it fun and informative!
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All on a timetable!
Tony Moses! 😂
Then remember when they spoke against Moses Jehovah killed them now days if you against the elders you disfellowship
YES Shirley! No one could speak against Moses....but then he took credit for getting some water and Jehovah's kicked his @$$ himself!
A lot of raised eyebrows 🤨 at the conflicting quotes... Damn!
....but all came from Jesus......right? 😆
@@survivingparadisepodcast maybe Jezus has a mental disorder or PTSD. He grew up with Jehovah as a dad... how must that’ve been 🥺
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@@naomiwillemsen9836 🤣I know the rest of us do....I'm sure Jesus has some questions too LOL
@@survivingparadisepodcast 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The governing body does not demand strict obedience and neither does the true God. The true God expects obedience from his people out of free will. Those who do not want to do God's will, will not be allowed to contaminate his people.
And now for reality for those that may stumble onto Ron's nonsense: "We need to obey the faithful and discreet slave to have Jehovah’s approval." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.24 - Simplified English Edition
@@survivingparadisepodcast Those who rebelled against Jehovah's representatives were either executed or severally punished in the Israelite nation. What make you think the God of Israel has changed. From this it can be seen that obedience, as expressed in the original languages of the Scriptures, depends first upon hearing, that is, receiving information or knowledge (compare Lu 12:47, 48; 1Ti 1:13), and then upon one’s submitting to the will or desire of the one who speaks or otherwise expresses such will or desire. Submission, in turn, is dependent upon recognition of that one’s authority or right to ask or require the response indicated, as also upon the hearer’s desire or willingness to satisfy the will of such one. Are you not obedient to the authorities, parents, employers, and the like? All of which is not blind obedience.
Remember the illustration that says the true sheep [ God's people] do not listen to the voice of strangers.
@@survivingparadisepodcast The nonsense is your biased attitude toward authority. The Israelites were required to follow the direction of the ones God placed in positions of authority. If individuals rebelled against the ones placed on charge they were executed. Under Christians law we are following a different law but the principals are the same. The JW organization follows the lead of the 1st century Apostles who were acting as the governing body of the Christian congregation. Those who do not agree with this arrangement needs to take it up with the almighty.
@@ronhansen8471 For those still reading these posts, compassion toward Ron here. You'll note that cognitively, he continues to ignore references from his own literature that openly states you must obey the Governing Body and Jehovah. He glosses over them and attempts to distract you with more nonsense. He has likely had a lifetime of training on this. He not only ignores his own literature that proves his original post is false, but he also can't explain why Jesus never spoke of a Governing Body or why none existed from Jesus death until it was 'created' by Jehovah's Witnesses in the late date of 1971. He may not even realize those facts. As you can see, JW's are taught to turn off their brains and consume anything they're told. It's sad.....and Ron's posts here ironically prove the level of delusion that good people are exposed to in Jehovah's Witnesses
@@survivingparadisepodcast Apparently you did not understand what I said about obedience. I'm familiar with the literature and what it says and what it doesn't say. Who do you think the apostles were in the 1st century CE? They governed the activity of the Christian congregation and the letters they wrote are what we call the Greek scriptures. In all of God's organizations on earth from Adam and Eve the true God has always set up men to lead his people. Those who have rebelled against these ones used by God to assist his people have been severely punished. For those of us who know the truth we recognize the true shepherds voice and do not respond to anyone else. We recognize the GB as the true shepherd being used by Jesus Christ, and you all do not.
Manfred Mann 😂
an all time classic ;)
Well don't the Catholics and other religious leaders also do this?
Many, if not all religions teach an authority structure. As for Christianity, it all flies in the face of everything Jesus ever said. Matthew 23:10 blows up any thoughts of their 'power'
@@survivingparadisepodcast I still believe that many Christian ministers have a genuine love for Jesus and their talks show this. There are always a few things that you see differently but I find some of the talks and the company mainly upbuilding. Matthew 23 applied to the Pharisees who put themselves above the people. I'm always aware though of occasional things in a service that overemphasize people as sinners when people who basically follow Jesus are leading decent lives.
I've seen first hand how some watchtower policies can harm people and make some proud and nasty although I knew some very nice people. I left the witnesses approx 26 years ago. I've also seen some of this type of behaviour in other institutions eg some work based situations. Work based politics can also produce the same sort of behaviour.
@@julielarge6120 ....any time you give men lots of power....
@@julielarge6120 I believe that as well Julie...lots of good people
I was raised a JW in the sixties dfd in 81. Never heard of a GB! I knew about the 144,000 anointed who wrote Watchtower articles Yet everyone doubted they were really 144,000! Joke!
Same!! We had no clue who they were! We didn't even really hear about Franz exit in the early 80's.....it has really changed!
Pretty nifty trick to make a sock puppet out of God, eh? Must be some powerful occult magic!
Demands strict obedience huh? The GB are not dictators and JW members do not follow men. They follow Jesus Christ and believe the bible is the true source of truth. They never take another person's word for it without comparing what was said with the bible. The GB does have their fingers on the pulse of the world and is helpful to our ministry. The primary goal of JWs is to save lives and worship God. To save lives JWs believe it is necessary to know what the bible teaches to teach others.
God's mouthpiece? The GB or anyone for that matter who quotes the bible is quoting God's words.
Still patiently waiting for your answer on the other episode. But since you're here with this bold claim, a question for you and how about we start here: The Bible you claim was written by Jehovah says "“Do not put your trust in princes, nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.” -- Psalms 146:3, NWT..... and then the Governing Body says "Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?" -- Watchtower 2009 Feb 15 p.27 ...... 🤔 do you see a problem Ron? Read it a few times slow..... do you see it? We here for you if it gets uncomfortable.... we have all been there....
@@survivingparadisepodcast The interesting thing about the bible is that without God's spirit people have no idea what the bible teaches and can take scripture out of context and describe it in a way that fits every possible religious bias.
Humans and human institutions merit confidence only to the degree that they act in harmony with God’s purposes and demonstrate godly principles. Thus, if GB are to inspire others to have confidence in them, they must speak the truth. (Proverbs 12:19; Ephesians 4:25; Hebrews 13:18) All Christians including the GB must conduct themselves in agreement with Bible principles to deserve the trust others place in them. Yes, I do see a problem in your reasoning. What is said in Psalms 146:3 is warning 101 for God's people. No human can give humans life and includes the GB, the apostles and the angels. What would you think about the apostles and other men giving the 1st century Christian congregation direction if you were there? Do you have a problem with that? Like it or not the true God has always had representatives on earth and used them to communicate with his people.
@@ronhansen8471 No answer to the above question Ron? I'm not that easily distracted. But let's try again based on your last post, since you have God's spirit and I don't (not a JW). Why does the Bible say to never trust a man, but the Governing Body claims they are to be implicitly trusted because even Jehovah trusts them.... even though Jehovah says he doesn't. With the help of god's spirit that you have, can you please help us understand this fact? As for the GB 'must speak the truth'..... you must have additional thoughts as to why we can provided dozens of things they said that never came true or were lies. Any thoughts? And no, the god of the Bible does not say god has always had representatives on earth.... but I know you've been conditioned to believe that.
@@survivingparadisepodcast I think you need to go back and reread what the JW organization really teaches. Like everything else you are taking words out of context and applying to your own anti-JW bias. I believe I said that the true God chooses who he will give his spirit too. It is all about the heart.
JWs know the truth and recognize immediately when someone tries to teach something different.
@@ronhansen8471 I appreciate the polite dialogue Ron, thank you. But as for bias or educating myself, not necessary. I was an elder for 11 years, Ministerial Servant for 5 years, have read and studied the Bible 7 times and was used extensively to teach at the assembly level and Kingdom Ministry School (elders). Respectfully, the Bible says candidly at Jeremiah 17:9 New World Translation "'The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it?" Witnesses are taught to never follow their hearts. Second, if JWs truly recognized when someone is trying to teach them something different, perhaps you can explain how the Governing Body was able to spend decades teaching JWs that the end would come before the generation of 1914 had died.... but well, they're all dead.... and now they're teaching something different? Are you a Jehovah's Witness Ron?