How Jehovah's Suspect Character Affects Jehovah's Witnesses
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- The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses attempt to use the Bible and their 'inspired' publications to paint a picture of a loving god who makes decisions in the best interest of his children here on earth. We take a look at examples past & present ... and we have some QUESTIONS!
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I hope you are monetized! It doesn’t play commercials before or after your podcast so I’m assuming you aren’t, but I would be very supportive if you were. I think you’re earning it and you deserve compensation for your work. I know it’s none of my business but I think you deserve it for the work and time you put into something that is helping people see JW through a great lens. Maybe TH-cam gods make it complicated and there’s deeper reasons why you’re not. Regardless you’re really doing a community service with your podcast! Cheers!
Thank you so much Alotta! I haven't put much consideration into that, but truly enjoy sharing my own thoughts and experiences. I may explore that soon, but it was never my goal....but I'd love to help people full time.....and maybe entertain a bit :)
@Jdub NoMo Thanks Jdub, you're too kind!
I believe you have to get 20,000 total hours of view time on your videos before you can apply for monetization and there’s probably some other requirements. I 100% agree, Stacey deserves to make some money off this podcast!
@@BlackFlagHeathen Thanks for the insight, not great at that stuff!
Great episode Stacy (as always)...you always talk about questions I've had when I was a "witness" THIS LYING CULT!!!.. Mental Freedom is a Beautiful thing...Thank you, Much love ❤️
Thank you Super!!
Boom! Mike drop! Again. You couldnt possibly describe my exact thoughts any better. When I left, I had discovered that Jehovah & the GB had given themselves & the Org disgusting reputations & I was ashamed to have been a part of it. Yes, exactly, psychopaths. I literally felt dirty! I had to leave to maintain the very integrity they instilled in me. When I tried to point it out to my family, I wondered how they couldnt see it! Thank you so much for being a voice of reason & validating my thoughts. Please never apologize again for going long. I could listen all day. I put you on while Im working or when I cant sleep. What you are saying, needs to be heard. Im hoping my family will hear you someday, so please, never take it down! I picture the GB laughing & slapping each other on the backs in their resort boardroom. All while their stupidity is mind blowing!
You're so sweet, thank you Heather!! I'm a 'repeater'....OCD ;) but I'm working on that. It really does make you questions your personal values and character!!
I am finally able to give this the time it deserves. Excited to hear your perspective.
Thanks my friend!
💚I love your commentary!
Thank you Pamela!
Omg how on earth are these podcasts just getting better and funnier each week 😂. Thanks again Stacey. On may way to Arizona this week we are hitting Amarillo Texas today and Cadillac ranch. So glad we can enjoy life again with no restrictions from this crazy religion
Thanks so much Lori!! I'm so glad to read people are out enjoying life NOW!!
Your work is so valued by us - PLEASE acknowledge this and take some time to let it sink in. Your channel is going to blow the WTS up. We have all been waiting for a channel like yours! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Thanks so much Joe! my goal was to help just one person! Thanks for listening!!
Back when I quit JW'ing, as a believing JW, I thought to myself, "Jehovah must see that I am doing this for the right reasons, in order to be honest and to not to lie to Him, so perhaps, because of that, He will spare me in Armageddon." With this part of the thought I was thinking of the loving Jehovah, the one that we'd all like to think Jehovah is, the public image for which we explain away the character flaws and the atrocities. However, it was not the end of the thought. It continued, "And if not, then He is not a god I'd want to serve and worship anyway."
At the time, of course, the second part of the thought was close to blasphemy to me - you're not to test Jehovah, after all, or to assume you know better than the Almighty. (I cannot clearly remember if I thought of the second part myself or if it originated from someone else. I wasn't in talks with exJW's back then, but I had one or two people that I did talk to.) In any case, it was one of the first cracks in my indoctrination - admitting that it might be that I just don't agree with God on issues like morality or what is justice. I already figured I was most likely doomed, since I'd not be going to meetings or to ministry, or anything else, so, what's the difference?
The God of Bible, and the God of JW's, is of a very dubious moral character - which is a really odd thing, because mostly the basic morals we have, stem from the Bible. Perhaps God is simply above the commandments of morality He gave to us, but if so, He probably shouldn't have made us in His image, with a sense of justice. 🤔While I enjoy pondering on these things, I am agnostic these days. I realize that I might be wrong, and there may be a God. If there is, and I am proven wrong, but initial thinking really hasn't changed. If the God turns out to be the God of Bible, as depicted in it, or even as the JW's teach, I want nothing to do with Him.
Exactly Elecyah! I've had similar thoughts for most of my life. If he truly needs all these works to make a decision, not sure he is worth worshipping, right? I too am agnostic
Once again Stacy, I'm blown away! Thank you so much! I'm so glad I stumbled across your page, BC you have truly gotten me through a tough time dealing with all that is JW!!! ❤
I remember as a kid, I could never stomach the fact that Moses wasnt able to go into the promised land after all the good he'd done, and especially with all the nonsense he put up with, with those "murmuring Israelites" after one infraction! He hit the rock for water and didn't give the glory to jah 🙄.... we all know the story.... Just this one example made me feel like Inever had a chance in the 1st place. Oops lol😬
We need more commenting guys. To boost the podcast. He should have a much bigger platform especially for PIMIs
I got so much out of this, it confirmed what I've thought for years but, of course, I could never express it to the "friends" when I was in that mess. I love your podcast. It's a true healer.
Thank you so much Rebella, that means a lot!
I really look forward to hearing your episodes every week...wouldn't mind having 2 a week..hint..hint..
Thanks P Town! I appreciate you listening.....okay, I got the hint. Hoping to have more time...more episodes!
Imperfect self. . .hates to be controlled by anyone or anything. . .suffering continuous persecution. . .for what? Eternity put in our minds. . .just for torture?
Right? Something doesn't add up here ...... 😉
Great podcast Stacy. Everything you brought out is very thought provoking! Isn’t it amazing one of the Ten Commandments, the sixth one says, thou shall not murder. Wait, What!
Thanks AJ....LOL, I should talk about those 10 commandments....I try to mix the old with the new and how it applies to JW's. But yep, they seemed to have missed the depth of #6!
You raise some valid points, I had not considered these. I am only 24 but I disassociated at 23 and I always found it hard to make friends with their God, you have to earn his love and even then, you are never truly safe,
It's a pyramid scheme! Love,wisdom,justice is small at the bottom but power is at the top! Power= fear! Eureka! Puzzle solved! I love your points! I thought the same way when at 13yrs old my mom became a witness! Went along because I wanted to please her! I loved her so much and still do! Without the J-God!
Literally a pyramid scheme, according to ol’ Chuck Russel and his… pyramid math magic? Lol.
It has always resembled a pyramid scheme or MLM......I think that all comes from Rutherford
This is a god with many, many issues (and terrible priorities). If he were a human on his filthy planet, he would be one of those people you instinctively avoid like the plague. He would be worse than the worst psychopathic serial killer ever. Waaaay worse... And I don't want anything to do with him. I have no idea why anyone would want to worship him for all eternity, but they should be very careful what they wish for.
Completely agree! If this was a human, he would be on par with the worst dictators in human history......and he's even worse
Love your humor! Also now I know why we had this recent plague/pandemic! Its because the WT Society keeps counting its members and publishers and meeting attendance! Those damn sinners, wrecking my perfect uncounted life!!!
LOL thank you Liv! They're all about the numbers......see 'time slips' LOL
Great episode as usual, my friend 👏🏾
Regarding Ramapo, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they start renting it out to commercial film makers when it's finished.
Thanks my friend! That is a very realistic prediction. Especially after seeing this weeks 'paid sponsorship' with the news station on bullying. They will find a way to drive revenue!!
@Jdub NoMo YES!! Common sense people!
If they do this - we gotta ride at dawn and ..... 😅 bc I'll be damned!
According to the jw's, God was worried about what the angels would think if he decided to dissolve the sin issue in the garden of eden.
Instead, he(God) isn't worried at all about what we think of his completely ridiculous decisions since then?
LOL, isn't that interesting?? I have an entire episode on that .... truly ridiculous! See episode on Universal Sovereignty
The god of the specially-self-chosen-by-their-own-god people is an abuser of love, justice, wisdom and power. Not my kind of god nor that of Christ Jesus either. The book of Revelation seemed to have changed the personality of Christ Jesus too! Something is very wrong with the alleged holy scriptures.
Exactly! I agree!
I agree, one of the best explanations I have found is Bobby Colliers “Good God” on YT. He has a series on Who is Yahweh- Evil god of the Old Testament. Thanks Stacy!
Great exposee yet again!
Thanks Penny!
@@survivingparadisepodcast refreshing to hear that we were thinking when we were kids then it got stifled so you knew it wasn't proper to question nor to think about things
sweet always on time to fill my curiosities;0)
thank you!!
Hey serviving paradise, 2 months ago I think our study for the meeting was going over this chapter, and while I was reading in I think it’s second kings where David hade to choose a punishment for himself when he chose plague all of a sudden got starts killing his people!!! And David was fine?
I also thought to myself WTF IS GOING ON!!! I thought David was supposed to be punished for this!!
It’s only after David begged god to stop he stops, so David must have thought he was the one who was going to suffer but no it was other people??
This story pisses me off and makes me laugh at the same time😂😂😂
Isn't that an absolutely insane account??? It really shines a light on the 'god of love'....and I'm going to revisit this whole thing in more detail. How any reads that and walks away 'ah no big deal' is beyond me!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast my mom some how doesn’t that, and I’m not sure how? Maybe denial or lying to yourself?
@@coldboltlighting1237 Yes. They're trained to 'look the other way'.....dismiss any critical thinking
@@johnc.8158 so obey someone who, kills people for questioning there authority?
And rightfully so when you have seen his double standards on various topics?
Yeah no thank you.
Stacey my Man , you are on point again ! The whole Abram begging to save people , Lot screwing his daughters , David’s crazy life where so many people die because of him and he gets a slap on the wrist was always mind boggling to me ! ......BTW , I remember getting nuggies from my older brothers, LOL !
LOL, I'm so glad someone else remembers the power of a good nuggie!!! Those stories are just so bonkers!
( Jehovah can't lie but he encourages it ) 1 Kings 22: 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’ “One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a DECIEVING spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘GO AND DO IT .’ 😉
A great subject for the future!
Please: don't apologize for a long video/podcast. This is one of your best one . Thanks ❣️ 😊
Thought provoking! I was always confused by when Uzzah got put to death for preventing the ark falling when the oxen pulling it stumbled! There is a strand of thought/theory that says Jehovah is not God and is in fact the Devil. Strand of thought I didn’t say so!
That account is so bizarre. I'm planning an entire diatribe on King David's life
"At a Gilead graduation in 1970, Frederick Franz, then vice-president of the Watch Tower society, told the " of the possibility that they, who were all of the other sheep with earthly hopes, might baptize someone who might claim to be of the anointed remnant. Could this happen? Well, he explained that John the Baptist was of the other sheep, and baptized Jesus and some of the apostles. Then he went on to ask whether there still was a call for gathering in more of the remnant. 'No, no more additions!' he said. 'That call ended way back there in 1931-35! There are no more additions. Who, then, are the few newly associated ones who are partaking of the Memorial emblems? If they are of the remnant, they are replacements! They are, not additions to the ranks of the anointed, but replacements."
What does this mean then? Even in 1934 women were not allowed to partake and still are not counted as a significant proportion of the anointed class
Women and children are grossly mistreated and disrespected in this 'organization'....Rutherford called women a 'bag of bones and hank of hair'.......while he was seeing mistresses. Just a bunch of nut jobs
Thank you for your enlightening talent. . .
You're too kind, thank you Susan!
I was having a similar conversation about the difference between Yahweh and Jesus in the Bible and he countered with the idea that if Jesus is going to kill everyone at Armageddon, they really are the same. (he's a Christian). And I didn't know what to say to that other than to point out that you would then have to establish the basis for being wiped out at Armageddon. But either way...Yah comes across as a total psychopath
Isn't it incredible that they go to a man washing people's feet, taking care of prostitutes and tax collectors.......to a guy that picks these 8 guys in NY to destroy all of mankind?? The brain is checked out at that point
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful questions and enlightened beliefs.
I've often wondered if former elders who disfellowshipped folks, especially teenagers and young adults, ever reach out to them to begin conversations and help them heal.
I love it when people say we should teach the morals of the bible in school!!!
Slavery, homophobia, racism..... what a great idea, huh???
@@johnc.8158
Are you serious?
@@johnc.8158 The only real world is literally Today's world. The past is memory and the future is never now. Right?
@@johnc.8158 oh yes, life in biblical times under the Law was so easy and wonderful: no abortion, but Jhvh could kill your baby when you lured or forced a woman into sex, as in Davids case, no sexual disease, when you were old and cold you could just buy a virgin to play up warming games with her, and later gave her as an heritage to your son, all pregnancies were desired, if no baby you could pray to Jhvh, he fixed it, no sexual diseases, Solomon had 300 wives and hundreds of playmates, was he protected against STDs? Oh I forgot: when your wife cheated on you, and you suspected her, the priest had a special brewage to detect the adultery, and eventually you could have her stoned with the foetus included…what a wonderful life…
@@johnc.8158 was he just with one woman until his apostasy? or did he think these many wives and concubines were a sign of God s blessing? why did God not warn him? learn about the early ideas about gods in this region, because the yhwh cult came from there: gods are powerful, also in a sexual way, and kings who represented him would look for the same kind of power! killing a husband because a king wanted his wife wasn t so important, the king with all his morals didn t understand before Nathan explained the story with a shepherd comparison, nowadays even a bad Wordly politician Would have more morals! Buying the sex service s of a young virgin wasnt so immoral, in this God directed order! But kids mocking a prophet s baldness, needed to be killed by bears… read the bible nonsense ago, dear mr jw bot:) learn who wrote it and under what influences…
Another great podcast. I have only recently found your channel but trying to watch them all.. Thank you.
Thank you for being here!
That's something that I couldn't wrap my head around as a witness. The "jehovah" of the old testament kills people for something as little as Onan not wanting to impregnate his dead brothers wife. Then the sudden flip in the New testament and he's suddenly a God of love ... makes no sense to me
Right??? Same guy??? But don't question it??
I just discussed with my jw friends today asking them how they feel Jah and Jesus not enough of watching evil continue. I said if my child would be raped I would never let my child to be in that horrific situation again, will regret and will be guilty that I couldn’t protect my child. Aren’t we called children of God!? But what is He doing? Just watching His childrens suffer and suffer. I expected them to think, but they said Jah had suggested a date to end evil in His timetable and until that day Jah is the one who is much more feeling sorry about people suffering, He is more patient than us so we just need to wait for that day and be faithful. And told me to pray more. It’s a mystery to me, how people can say a reason like this and continue to praise this God. How can it be sensible until of His timetable (His satisfied day) He needs to watch sufferings and pains of His so-called children on whole world, who are in tears and begging for help also in this minute!?
This is a BIG one with me L H. We have the same thoughts. Not even an imperfect parent would sit back and watch their kids suffer, begging for help. It's truly a damning subject when it comes to 'god's personality'
It’s so difficult talking to witnesses because they only have tunnel vision, they can’t look to the left or right ! The indoctrination is powerful, I use to think the same way even though I had questions!
@@user-TheTruth They are drowning in weekly brainwashing. The cognitive dissonance is epic; it should be studied. Arguably, this is true in many religions, but JW's are incredibly brainwashed
@Jdub NoMo Not even an imperfect parent would allow/watch such terrible stuff. It's ridiculous.
@@user-TheTruth Yes, actually I was one of um too, it’s really a mystery, how the brain wash works but thanks to our gut, was able to doubt deep inside and burst to search better thinking and get out from nonsense religion.
How real is the Bible anyway? Written by ( supposedly ) inspired men, and edited by the foundation of the Catholic church, way back. Great Book for scaring people, to the delight of religions, money, money, money. I still believe in our Heavenly Father, it is personal.
A very good question Gisella. In fact, lots and lots of questions!
Hello Stacy and thank you for this last video. The only mouthpiece of God on earth ? We all remember what Jeffrey Jackson said in the broadcasted Australian Royal Comission on CSA, and I quote : » I think that it would be presumptous to say that we are the only voice of God on earth » ... After saying that, why didn't he got disfellowshiped as an apostate, by the other GB members ? It's obvious that if any ordinary rank and file JW would have said the same thing, he would have been disciplined by an elder judicial comitee, or else, considered as an apostate and thrown out of the organization. Isn't this terrible ? It seems that there are very strict rules for the ordinary JWs that not must not be defied, but other rules for the GB members, that are allowed, whenever they are pleased. I am so angry ! This has nothing to do with christian truth. This is a man-made organization, period.
One of the most INCREDIBLE moments in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses!!!! LYING to the entire world on the stand......it shows that they protect their own and they're a bunch of morally bankrupt men!
Oh man. I am laughing. You're right this is serious and damaging stuff. But damn is it good to sit back and just look at the absurdity and there is plenty.
LOL, thanks Phil!
Great video Stacey I thought that Lots family was saved?
Hi! Thank you! Yes, Lot and his two daughters survived, his wife did not!
Two things. As a JW, you're not supposed to think any more of yourself than is necessary, so to question Jehovah God on any of his dealings was blasphemous! So, I always dismissed these horrible displays by God himself, but inside my mind and heart something didn't seem quite right. Then, when you wake up to your JW indoctrination and start to use critical thinking skills, you find out that Jehovah God and the Bible don't hold up to scrutiny and critical thinking either!!! The house of cards comes tumbling down and for quite some time you wonder "What the heck happened to me that I allowed myself to become so brain-washed in this cult."
That's so true Joe. Waking up is a long journey! Be good to yourself!
Live as if harmagheddon came tomorrow....
So I did and NOW I am 62 and can hardly eat once a day, very poor, miserable actually.
Thanks a lot!!!
As a pimo jehovah's witness the more I read the Bible the LESS faith I have!
I have said all along: all JW's have to do is read the Bible and their own literature......everything falls apart immediately!
ExJW here. Always struck me that the Org liked the angry, wrathful, violent impulsive God of the old testament waaay more than all the peace and love hippy B.S. Jesus was always going on about.
Same! I had that thought going back to childhood. Why not favor the who 'gospel' love part? It's an easy answer. The Old Testament was all about control/rules. It defines the entire 'organization'
@@survivingparadisepodcast I remember asking why Jehovah didn't forgive more and kill less when I was a kid (not worded like that, but you get the idea) and it explained to me by one elder that since Jehovah is the source of all right and good, it's impossible for him to do something wrong or bad, even if it's something that's bad for humans to do. Like...WTF???? It sewed the seeds at a young age of subconsciously feeling that God was the ultimate "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrite.
@@bhanson4917 The same people that justify the 'god of love' drowning babies at the Flood. Or allowing children to die due to David's census sin. It's ridiculous. Peter denies Christ....lives. Achan hides a robe under his tent.....he gets killed. Oh......AND SO DID HIS ENTIRE FAMILY.
Jehovah is the one here since the beginning. Well, at least since the beginning of the letter 'J'. Before that he was just hanging out without a name. So it took some time, but now we know. Anyway, Jehovah, the creator of every atom in the multi-verse is using what you would call magic to tell me and my seven bros what the deal is for moden times. So follow us, and don't be keeping a tight grip on your large bills . No, no, I mean follow him to spread his message. What is that again exactly? Gather more to know him for the privilege to donate! Advertise! Advertise! Advertise! Jehovah loves that money; keep it flowing and maybe I'll let you live 💋
LOL....the perfect summary!!!
50:06 min. The miraculous sand in the 🏝 ilands... full of salt, I heard that it can't be used for construction (rust) I saw that on Jonas channel: goatlike personality...TH-cam. 😂
Isn't that something??? :)
Yes, Jesus said,” I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. “ Matthew 9:12-13
Jehovah needed the Kingdom Hall built on the island so the governing stooges can sell it. He needs the money.
LOL, true!
My biggest mistake was believing in the Bible as God's infallible word. That's what I was taught to believe in my Catholic upbringing. My parents never taught me to be critical of the Bible.
With David’s counting, I wouldn’t place any blame on David.
Famine and running from their enemies could’ve conceivably included the entire people too. Choosing to be punished in 3 days as opposed to a longer time (including 3 years that could’ve easily killed as many people in a slower fashion). I would’ve chosen the same.
On the other hand, disease could’ve conceivably only applied to David if the others would have.
All interesting talking points, but it only creates more questions: why the three choices to begin with? Why choose disease that affects all of his people over himself just running from his enemies? On an on it goes....and it creates quiet the snapshot of his 'god'
@@survivingparadisepodcast Oh yeah I agree with you that this shouldn’t have happened in that way. The abusive party would in this case be Jehovah with 100% culpability, since he made David choose between 3 punishments for counting people that could all have killed a large number of people. He had to choose between long-term extreme suffering with a moderate threat to life and liberty, medium-term extreme suffering with a high threat to life and liberty, and short-term extreme suffering with a very high threat to life and liberty. He chose the shortest ordeal.
His choice was the fault of the one who made him choose.
@@RealPumpkinJay Agree on all counts Jay!
Wow! I had no idea that many JWs died because of COVID-19. Of course, publishers are always taught not to talk about negative numbers like this. And the reason? It will call into mind people's trust and belief in this so-call god, Jehovah.
Those where just allegorical stories. Live your life people
🤣 yep!!
Yup, JWs entire life is on hold, waiting for the paradise. I know, I saw it and I was part of it!
I understand you are not an artist but don't underestimate that there is ultra red and ultraviolet is day and night for the uman eye, God was not in darkness, then I hate what they have done to me, I am now old, alone and very very poor, cos I really believed that the end would came, I always gave away money and goods, I ruined my life
How about "DOPI" DISFELLOWSHIPED OUT,
PARTIALLY IN! DOPI!🤔
The one thing interesting about the bible is that it can say anything the reader wants it to say. And what is more, the true God allows people to believe in the lie. He also limits who he allows to understand what the bible teaches. Matthew 11:25. There is no question the JW organization has the truth but as the bible states before the end comes there would be a great apostacy and the greater number of God's people will cool off. The love (a·gaʹpe) of many who professed belief in Jehovah God would cool off. (Mt 24:3, 12) Sounds about right.
One of your finest comments Ron. Do you see the irony? It's right there under your nose...in your own words. As for your claim that "there is no question the JW organization has the truth"...… with all candor: that's absurd. It's truly tragic you believe that.....but we will be here when you wake up....
@@survivingparadisepodcast It sounds to me like you all are the ones who have been lulled to sleep. Satan employs “empty deception” and “the elementary things of the world” to mislead and divide people. (Col. 2:8) In the 1st century CE, such things as philosophies based on human reasonings, unscriptural Jewish teachings, and the teaching that Christians must observe the Mosaic Law were deceptions that took people’s attention away from the true Source of wisdom, Jehovah God. As we speak Satan is pushing the same rhetoric that includes religion and politics. Jehovah’s Witnesses listen to the guidance given by the JW organization to avoid the undue anxieties experienced by those who listened to the world's disinformation.-Matt. 24:45. The other issue is that Jehovah God chooses who he allows to understand his word the bible. If the person does not know what the bible teaches, they could not possibly know what the truth is.
(Matthew 11:25) At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.
"He also limits who he allows to understand what the Bible teaches"
Your words my friend. WHAT??? I'M SORRY PLEASE MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE!!!!
HOW THE HELL WOULD A GOD WHOSE SON SUPPOSEDLY DIED FOR ALL MANKIND ALLOW ONLY SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HIS WORD THE BIBLE MEANS????
@@munch670 1st the true God had the bible written for all of mankind but only if the individual has the right heart condition. Look up what heart means in the bible. See the verses below
(Matthew 11:25) At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.
(Matthew 13:10-15) So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11 In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted. 12 For whoever has, more will be given him, and he will be made to abound; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it. 14 And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. 15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.’
The 2nd issue is that Christ Jesus did die for our sins, but the real test was his growing up as a perfect human with no prehuman knowledge of heaven to prove that a perfect human could live a life free of sin with Satan's influence. Jesus Christ death was not the real test.
Why was this important? Most of the human race will be brought back from the dead to be judged under a righteous kingdom not controlled by Satan. At the end of Christ 1000 year reign a final test is made of the integrity and devotion of all such earthly subjects. Satan is loosed from his restraint in the abyss. Those yielding to his seduction do so on the same issue raised in Eden: the rightfulness of God’s sovereignty. This is seen by their attacking “the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city.” Since that issue has been judicially settled and declared closed by the Court of heaven, no prolonged rebellion is permitted in this case. Those failing to stand loyally on God’s side will not be able to appeal to Christ Jesus as a ‘propitiatory helper,’ but Jehovah God will be “all things” to them, with no appeal or mediation possible. All rebels, spirit and human, receive the divine sentence of destruction in “the second death.”-Re 20:7-15.
It's truly absurd. He wouldn't. Imagine sending a life saving instruction manual to mankind but in an alien language and keeping it all secret until 1919 when some guy said 'hey, we are the only ones this was written for!'.....absurd. @@munch670
Jehovah is a abusive Husband 😢
It's an undeniable dynamic
This is what makes me cringe! Makes absolutely no reasonable sense.Just can`t wrap my head around it,is it all distorted from ancient beliefs ,back in history? It makes us think critically,as we should do. You make laugh , thank you much! That`s all we can do.Yeah ,sand and concrete,the heck with real disasters and chaos LOL😄We need personal intervention and mercy shown!
LOL, we are supposed to check our brain at the door. I don't suppose all those stories could have been written by a bunch of men? 😉
OK ... well... "in the beginning"...yep....well, here's the problem, God made Jesus first, then he made the angels, then he made the earth, then man etc, but it's just that 'time' doesn't exist alone, there is only 'space-time' i.e no space then no time. The 'time' we know is simply a function of our own universe and is bound up with the 'space' of our universe. So no universe no 'time'. Without 'time' there is simply no 'first' or 'second', in fact even in our own universe the 'order' of events depends upon the viewpoint of the observer and can be different. So before the creation of the universe there was no time and no 'first' or 'second' of anything. There simply cannot be a 'firstborn' of all creation.
Agree and you went DEEP!! All true.....all human constructs, which calls into question even more of the Bible, who wrote it, etc.!
He created the planet in darkness. Kind of feels like someone getting dressed in the dark.
Right??? LOL
The first thing created was light...
@@mattmurdock2868 You forgot about verse 2. The earth was created first.
It’s even in this (grating) translation:
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.
3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.
@@RealPumpkinJay
Then God said, "Let there be light."; and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
God call the light Day, and the darkness He called Night.
So the evening and the morning were the FIRST DAY.
Then God SAID, "Let the waters be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so.
And God called the dry land EARTH, and the gathering of the waters He called SEAS. And God saw that it was good.
So the evening and the morning were the THIRD DAY.
Gen.1:1-13
@@mattmurdock2868 I don’t know how you did it, but you claim to quote Genesis 1:1-13, but you only quote from verse 3 onward, literally skipping Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, the verses I was referring to.
The hateful 8.
GREAT ONE!
The point of the Old Testament was to give a large number of people a sense of belonging, control them, motivate them to fight and give them standards. Lots of the stories were stolen from other cultures and reimagined to suit the Hebrews. The point of the New Testament was to reimagine Jesus. Jesus was one of many revolutionaries who fight the Romans and lost. He was not the heavenly being Apostle Paul reinvented him to be nor was he interested in Gentiles. The difference between reality and the agenda/reinvention is why sometimes Jesus is a pacifist and other times he is a warrior. It is why sometimes he says to his followers to only focus on Hebrews and later he says go to the globe and preach. If you keep history in mind, the Bible makes sense. It was not meant to be true. It was not inspired by a divine being in the sky. It was a book of propaganda with stories made to support and agenda and truth was thrown away if it did not support the agenda. It was made by men and their followers.
@@johnc.8158 I just debunked the 🐂 💩 you said and you still came to me and said it 🤦🏾♂️ . Go read Bible scholars who go into details on what I said. Just because reality does not please you does not mean I will join you in your delusion.
Correct! Was a book full of fables and stories designed to answer man's unanswerable questions. There are some good moral stories to be learned.....and some hideous acts I hate to even consider
@@survivingparadisepodcast I could not agree more. I learned not to cheat or steal from the Bible. But the Ancient Hebrews and their God/gods were genocidal maniacs.
@@b1crusade384 Absolutely, there is value in the Bible. But once it steers out of the normal moral codes......it gets crazy!
@31:00. You are erroneously using your culture as the standard of morals. In Bible writers’ culture, you guard guest with your life and valuables. You see that today in some African tribe cultures. In America, you sell out your guest if you can make money and don’t sell out your kids for them. In Bible writers’ culture, having kids is vital. You do whatever you must to have them and the burden is heavily on women. Again seen in some African cultures. And it explains Lot’s daughters behavior. In White America culture, it is okay to let a bloodline die out because you don’t want the hassle of a crying baby. No one will judge you for not having kids. Different cultures and the behavior of the Bible makes sense if you know the culture of the people who really wrote it.
I don't disagree B1, but I stay away from what I believe are obvious cultural beliefs. Having children was critical and remains critical in many cultures. However, it does NOT explain why the girls couldn't wait, their ages, why they had to get drunk...and more importantly......why a 'god of love' would EVER want this recorded to read throughout history. If it happened, so be it based on culture (I still think it's gross), but to share it with everyone?? Weird. And we know almost nothing about Lot aside from this
@@survivingparadisepodcast Calling someone else culture weird is not polite. It is like someone looking at your daughter’s hair when she is dressed up for an occasion and calling it “weird”. It is okay to disagree with it, but I personal respect other viewpoints. I am not a Bible apologist. But I do try to understand the people in their own context/world/culture and not my own
@@survivingparadisepodcast I read your comment too fast. The record said that Lot’s daughter had no men nearby them. And the pressure to have kids is high in those areas. I am not justifying it. I am just sharing my experience dealing with non-American cultures and how their story relate to them. I let people do whatever as long as kids are not harmed and people are not forced to do thing unreasonable. They can do whatever if they volunteer. As for why it was recorded. 🤷🏿♂️. The Bible was not inspired by a heavenly being. It was written by men. Maybe it has a cultural significance.
@@b1crusade384 Good stuff B1, agree on all counts!
You are both right, the Bible and even Yhwh have to be placed in a given culture. The error of fundamentalist cult is to present us this ppl who lived 4000 years ago or wrote 2800 years ago as being models of faith to us. Their relation to their gods was totally different of what we, after 2500 years of greek roman christian modern philosophy and exponentially growing scientific knowledge would consider as being moral. Who would today ever understand Abraham s reaction to God s order to kill his son? ! Perhaps Paul, who grow up being fed with Jewish culture, later attended lapidation of jewish apostates, could connect to Abraham. In their videos about the Hebrew legends they have this people speak a modern jw language and express modern feelings, which is crazy. By the way, if these ppl would resurrect in their paradise earth they could not understand our modern way of living and thinking.
Love your voice and your commentary I'm also out and disgusted with their teaching and attitude. I just want to bring up though be careful about being accurate. 2 quick thing I heard. 1 they don't DF anymore if you keep associating with DFed people you just lose all privilège. 2. Lot did get drunk but its his daughter that "forced" (debatable how forced he was I guess) him to get drunk then they forced themselves on him. They raped their Dad. Still an insanely fucked up story that they were deserving to be saved by yahweh.
All good points Benoit and thank you! Correct on both points! I'll share more accurate details in the future.....Lot was an interesting guy