But she's right doe, victims and predators can switch their roles at any place at any time, it depends on the circumstances here. In fact, maybe victims really doesn't exist, only predators That's my interpretation doe
@@sicko5821 It definitely depends on the circumstances, not only change roles they can also be simultaneously both. Like Person A physically harming Person B in a setting where there are observers, and B intentionally provoked A to worsen A public image. On a physical level B is a victim and A is the assailant, while on a psychological level A is a victim and B is the attacker. I think victims really exist in the human imagined reality (like people who got killed because they breathe funny or smth), but inexistent in the domain of natural laws. The same way like how morality exist in human minds but nature is arbitary (natural laws only “cares” about potential, action, and reaction)
Fast forward to _Off & Monster Season ep 6_ Shinobu: _"Blank stare"_ _What, who in the world said that to you? There are people out there who can be so heartless._ ... _If there's another fool who says such stupid things, bring that one to me. Let me guarantee you this._ _I am the king of apparitions who has lived 600 years. I've been called the iron-blooded, hot-blooded, cold-blooded vampire. You've killed me several thousand times, then voluntarily abdicated the seat of god that held such power. You rid yourself of such immense power and decided to become a human again, to live a grand life to this day like you're doing now._ _There's no way that you just happened to be cute._ And so, former "Little Miss Bangs" has earned some respect from former Kiss-Shot and not only because she can draw 3D (in)edible Mister Donut's donuts. XD
@@knochentrocken96 Exactly! I like how Shinobu was tough on her but took the time to teach Nadeko how to use her newfound powers responsibly and how Nadeko picked up on it. Just imagine if the donuts Nadeko drew were as delicious as Mister Donut. Shinobu would probably find an excuse to visit her every day. XD
Also the fact that this story chronologically takes place a couple months after Shinobu Mail, where a guy came back from beyond the grave because he was obsessed with her and she was forced to mercy kill him. She's projecting her own issues onto Nadeko HARD.
@@Gemini053This is partially light novel spoilers (the ones that soon will be adapted into anime) but part of the backstory was already told in zoku owari Spoilers for who doesn't want to know Shinobu once used to be a human, precisely a princess of an unnamed European Kingdom, and at the time she was called Rola. Rola was a very beautiful princess, so much so that she had the nickname princess Beauty, and everybody from the Kingdom would gift her their but she hated that people would consider her just for her exterior beauty. One day Rola meets a witch, and she asks her to make everyone being able to see also her inner beauty, the witch makes this wish true but soon Rola will regret that: her inner beauty is even more impressive, and people felt unworthy to stand besides her so they all gifted their most precious belonging, their life, bringing her own Kingdom to ruins. Princess Beauty will then travel place to place trying to find a cure to her curse, until she encounters a vampire, Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicidemaster. They become friends and Rola asks Suicidemaster to make her a vampire so that at least she can eat the people who die so they will not die in vain, and so she becomes kiss-shot. Kiss-shot and Deathtopia part ways and eventually kiss-shot's curse is lifted (probably because of her vampire nature) and kiss-shot modifies her memories so that her human background is forgotten (if you remember in kizu she had said she just remembered she was human and she didn't have many memories about it). And so this is how beauty ruined shinobu's life
@@Gemini053I’m a bit iffy since I haven’t watched monogatari for a long time but spoilers obviously Shinobu as a human was so beautiful that whenever she was seen by someone they would automatically offer their most precious thing in possession. You would think it would be money or some other objects but in reality it would result in them immediately beheading themselves, because what is more precious then ones own life. With this effect of her beauty only being negated by becoming undead
@@TheLordTashWhat? This is completely uncomparable. Shinobu didn't get to play the victim and wasn't weak nor silent leveraging these attributes to manipulate people around her.
Is the sky blue? Is a diamond hard? Ofc shaft likes the head tilt. It’s like their signature. It’s so ubiquitous that google auto completes “shaft head tilt” when you type “shaft h”
Shinobus bedroom confrontations are very raw. She hits hard plenty other times but the other one i remember so well is when *Black Hanekawa* showed up during the Tsubasa episodes.
I mean, I do find it a bit annoying when characters think they can just break down other characters like they are so full of themselves, one of the reasons why I hated SNAFU, the MC genuinely pisses me off in SNAFU.
@@gnuhgnauqneyugn I've already seen it. Shit is stupid and has terrible dialog, it's not cool to be a sociopathy, it's beyond me how people can even stand or admire characters like that. Only edgy teens who thinks it's deep love shit like that.
Watching this after seeing Shinobu origin story in Wazamonogatari, I wounded if her background colors here opinion of Nadeko here. She probably understands the phenomenon of “enchanting cuteness to the point of being a monster” better than anyone.
@thewinner4319 actually my dear sir 🤓 they anime people because they are voice acted by our people so in a sense they are. Just only for entertainment purposes here and nothin more because without that then their not
now we kinda know why she was pissed seeing nadeko since it was her life before becoming a vampire (ofc they werent just nice to her but killed themself)
I wonder whether Shinobu already knows what she is facing at this point. A threat for her and Koyomi. That's why she has little to no sympathy to Nadeko. My memory of Monogatari is blurry. At one point when Shinobu still stays with Meme yet to stay in Koyomi's shadow, and Nadeko spends a night at the building, Shinobu basically marked Nadeko as if she was a threat. But the roasts are true, albeit harsh. Shinobu speaks facts about Nadeko. Sasuga, best girl. 👏
Yeah Shinobu has been around at the very least 500 years. From what i can tell her roasts could have been much more savage and she was going easy on her.
@@iceloveanime It's must be very tempting for Shinobu to just kill Nadeko right at that moment. But she put Koyomi first and she doesn't want to make him sad. Even though she very much understand that Koyomi will try to go with his naivety and do his hardest to "save everyone", she still chose to follow him. So yeah, Shinobu _is_ going easy on Nadeko, indeed.
She isn't just roasting Nadeko imo, she is also roasting the previous herself(when she was human people would die for her like crazy because she was the most beautiful thing they have ever seen)
Quite different, nadeko uses her image to manipulate people, shinobu was so beautiful that people killed themselves when seeing her, because they wanted to give the most precious thing they had to her@@marcusvinicius917
Yeah, Shinobu is no.1 kawaii character in Monogatari series. I don't see Nadeko winning against her. It's because Shinobu showing her kawaii through her real self but Nadeko showing herself weak to make people evaluate her as innocent kawaii.
OK Serious talk. Is this show good, mediocre or bad? I had it in watchlist for years, but never watched because art style is off putting to me. Is it good show or no?
its good if you are into TALKING ONLY types of stories. This is not an action story 95% is talking, its a character drama story with some fantastical elements to make the character drama bigger.
@@MokonaModokiES Actually if it is a comedy, good comedy, then talking is fine. I guess talking is better than action in this case, since i would not enjoy action in this art style. Comedy can save it
@@reveral9880 has comedy but its. Super japanese comedy, like japan word plays, obscure japanese references(like actors and musicians from japan), very cultural stuff... oh and of course pervy jokes... like very pervy, do not watch this series with your family around im serious.
The best part of this scene is the "second reading" that nadeko does in Nademonogatari. Spoiler ahead: I love the fact that after being so influenced by this dialogue Nadeko understand that at this time shinobu was having a bad period because of Seishiru, allowing her to lift the weight given to theese words and move on
Al final de nademonogatari (off season) Nadeko le pregunta a Shinobu si todabia la considera solo jna chica linda...Shinobu responde que no recuerda haberle dicho eso nunca...🎉🎉 En forma de reconocimiento al crecimiento de Nadeko 🥺✌️ojala animen pronto esas historias.
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Love how In Monogatari Off and Monster Season, Shinobu "forgets" she the one who roasted Nadeko in the 1st place.
"Nadeko will remember that"
Wondering if you're thinking about this again now that you know who Acerola was.
@@khatharrmalkavian3306Yeah, that was definitely something that Shinobu/Acerola tells herself. It was more about her than it was about Nadeko.
Shinobu: [Roasts Nadeko too hard]
Nadeko: Has a full identity crisis because of it, becomes a God later
Shinobu: D:
I forgot how mean Shinobu can be... ouch
but she is right
sasuga best girl, second only to kaiki. -no, hanekawa is mine, get her away from arararagi-
But she's right doe, victims and predators can switch their roles at any place at any time, it depends on the circumstances here. In fact, maybe victims really doesn't exist, only predators
That's my interpretation doe
@@sicko5821 It definitely depends on the circumstances, not only change roles they can also be simultaneously both. Like Person A physically harming Person B in a setting where there are observers, and B intentionally provoked A to worsen A public image. On a physical level B is a victim and A is the assailant, while on a psychological level A is a victim and B is the attacker.
I think victims really exist in the human imagined reality (like people who got killed because they breathe funny or smth), but inexistent in the domain of natural laws. The same way like how morality exist in human minds but nature is arbitary (natural laws only “cares” about potential, action, and reaction)
Well she's spitting facts,so I don't mind and heck i want she to talk more
Fast forward to _Off & Monster Season ep 6_
Shinobu: _"Blank stare"_
_What, who in the world said that to you? There are people out there who can be so heartless._
...
_If there's another fool who says such stupid things, bring that one to me. Let me guarantee you this._
_I am the king of apparitions who has lived 600 years. I've been called the iron-blooded, hot-blooded, cold-blooded vampire. You've killed me several thousand times, then voluntarily abdicated the seat of god that held such power. You rid yourself of such immense power and decided to become a human again, to live a grand life to this day like you're doing now._
_There's no way that you just happened to be cute._
And so, former "Little Miss Bangs" has earned some respect from former Kiss-Shot and not only because she can draw 3D (in)edible Mister Donut's donuts. XD
I think her respect came more from nadekos growth as a person which was the point of this arc
@@knochentrocken96 Exactly! I like how Shinobu was tough on her but took the time to teach Nadeko how to use her newfound powers responsibly and how Nadeko picked up on it.
Just imagine if the donuts Nadeko drew were as delicious as Mister Donut. Shinobu would probably find an excuse to visit her every day. XD
That jump from the ceiling is just so good
Was it a jump? Or a fall? The scienze hasn't found the answer yet!
😂@@sharkhealgaming9557
This hits a lot harder after knowing why Shinobu became a vampire. She knows first hand what can happen if you misuse your appearance.
Also the fact that this story chronologically takes place a couple months after Shinobu Mail, where a guy came back from beyond the grave because he was obsessed with her and she was forced to mercy kill him. She's projecting her own issues onto Nadeko HARD.
Wait, how did Shinobu misuse her appearance?
@@Gemini053This is partially light novel spoilers (the ones that soon will be adapted into anime) but part of the backstory was already told in zoku owari
Spoilers for who doesn't want to know
Shinobu once used to be a human, precisely a princess of an unnamed European Kingdom, and at the time she was called Rola. Rola was a very beautiful princess, so much so that she had the nickname princess Beauty, and everybody from the Kingdom would gift her their but she hated that people would consider her just for her exterior beauty. One day Rola meets a witch, and she asks her to make everyone being able to see also her inner beauty, the witch makes this wish true but soon Rola will regret that: her inner beauty is even more impressive, and people felt unworthy to stand besides her so they all gifted their most precious belonging, their life, bringing her own Kingdom to ruins. Princess Beauty will then travel place to place trying to find a cure to her curse, until she encounters a vampire, Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicidemaster. They become friends and Rola asks Suicidemaster to make her a vampire so that at least she can eat the people who die so they will not die in vain, and so she becomes kiss-shot. Kiss-shot and Deathtopia part ways and eventually kiss-shot's curse is lifted (probably because of her vampire nature) and kiss-shot modifies her memories so that her human background is forgotten (if you remember in kizu she had said she just remembered she was human and she didn't have many memories about it). And so this is how beauty ruined shinobu's life
@@Gemini053I’m a bit iffy since I haven’t watched monogatari for a long time but spoilers obviously
Shinobu as a human was so beautiful that whenever she was seen by someone they would automatically offer their most precious thing in possession. You would think it would be money or some other objects but in reality it would result in them immediately beheading themselves, because what is more precious then ones own life. With this effect of her beauty only being negated by becoming undead
@@TheLordTashWhat? This is completely uncomparable. Shinobu didn't get to play the victim and wasn't weak nor silent leveraging these attributes to manipulate people around her.
In hindsight... This probably lead to the Goddess Nadeko...
Well shinobu saw through nadeko quite good
Na, Shinobu just saw it coming
She just called nadeko out on her bs
It would have still occurred, but later
Nadeko had all of this already planned out from the moment she met Ougi.
normal people: hahahahaha
shinobu: kakakakaka
Brazil mentioned?!?!?!?!?!😮
@@yashi0412 pior que sim
1:45 Well, thanks to nademonogatari sengoku could finally grown, happilly she now doesn't just happened to be cute
Watching this after the last extra episode of the new season hits so diferent
Yeah ...also considering how acerola killed entire kingdoms because of her "beauty" gives this a lot of meaning
1:46 Shaft studio really likes 45 degree angle….
Is the sky blue? Is a diamond hard? Ofc shaft likes the head tilt. It’s like their signature. It’s so ubiquitous that google auto completes “shaft head tilt” when you type “shaft h”
She just dismantled her just like that
Holy fuck that was one hell of a roast
Shinobus bedroom confrontations are very raw. She hits hard plenty other times but the other one i remember so well is when *Black Hanekawa* showed up during the Tsubasa episodes.
I mean, I do find it a bit annoying when characters think they can just break down other characters like they are so full of themselves, one of the reasons why I hated SNAFU, the MC genuinely pisses me off in SNAFU.
@@Towhomitmayconcern9293 I mean, if anyone's qualified to do so, it'd be a vampire that's been alive for 5 centuries.
@@Towhomitmayconcern9293 Oh boy you're gonna have a heart attack when you see Classroom of the Elite lmao
@@gnuhgnauqneyugn I've already seen it. Shit is stupid and has terrible dialog, it's not cool to be a sociopathy, it's beyond me how people can even stand or admire characters like that. Only edgy teens who thinks it's deep love shit like that.
after watching the latest episode, we can see her character development
Watching this after seeing Shinobu origin story in Wazamonogatari, I wounded if her background colors here opinion of Nadeko here. She probably understands the phenomenon of “enchanting cuteness to the point of being a monster” better than anyone.
Shinobu is surely one intelligent person!
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@thewinner4319 actually my dear sir 🤓 they anime people because they are voice acted by our people so in a sense they are. Just only for entertainment purposes here and nothin more because without that then their not
now we kinda know why she was pissed seeing nadeko since it was her life before becoming a vampire (ofc they werent just nice to her but killed themself)
i just watch episode 6 of the new season and that was the first thing TH-cam recommended to me :V Great time
Shinobu may be mocking it but honestly, learning to keep silent when you have nothing to say is a skill that more people could stand to learn.
That's a different skill though
Kaka
KAKAKA
KAKAKAKAKA
I wonder whether Shinobu already knows what she is facing at this point. A threat for her and Koyomi. That's why she has little to no sympathy to Nadeko.
My memory of Monogatari is blurry. At one point when Shinobu still stays with Meme yet to stay in Koyomi's shadow, and Nadeko spends a night at the building, Shinobu basically marked Nadeko as if she was a threat.
But the roasts are true, albeit harsh. Shinobu speaks facts about Nadeko. Sasuga, best girl. 👏
Yeah Shinobu has been around at the very least 500 years. From what i can tell her roasts could have been much more savage and she was going easy on her.
@@iceloveanime It's must be very tempting for Shinobu to just kill Nadeko right at that moment. But she put Koyomi first and she doesn't want to make him sad.
Even though she very much understand that Koyomi will try to go with his naivety and do his hardest to "save everyone", she still chose to follow him.
So yeah, Shinobu _is_ going easy on Nadeko, indeed.
She isn't just roasting Nadeko imo, she is also roasting the previous herself(when she was human people would die for her like crazy because she was the most beautiful thing they have ever seen)
Quite different, nadeko uses her image to manipulate people, shinobu was so beautiful that people killed themselves when seeing her, because they wanted to give the most precious thing they had to her@@marcusvinicius917
0:45 Shinobu laughs like Brazilians! "Kkkkkk"
Count on a 500 year old aunt to roast the shit out of a kid
Shinobu perfectly describes simping in 2 mins
Yeah she's a wolf in a sheep clothing...
In loli form, you've gotta give it to hachikuji and hanekawa to be the cutest.
1:45, SHE DID IT, SHE DID THE THING.
SHAFT head tilt
Bazed shinobu i love it
i hate my life
Why
@@thevipez8740look at their profile picture
@@clearsky9109Duuuudee
@Fiufsciak I just noticed it when reading comments
Live like that and die like that
ela ri de maneira engraçada.
É a risada do nosso pais carai kkkkkkk
Yeah, Shinobu is no.1 kawaii character in Monogatari series. I don't see Nadeko winning against her.
It's because Shinobu showing her kawaii through her real self but Nadeko showing herself weak to make people evaluate her as innocent kawaii.
Mayoi is top tier cute
OK Serious talk. Is this show good, mediocre or bad? I had it in watchlist for years, but never watched because art style is off putting to me. Is it good show or no?
its good if you are into TALKING ONLY types of stories. This is not an action story 95% is talking, its a character drama story with some fantastical elements to make the character drama bigger.
@@MokonaModokiES Actually if it is a comedy, good comedy, then talking is fine. I guess talking is better than action in this case, since i would not enjoy action in this art style. Comedy can save it
@@reveral9880 has comedy but its. Super japanese comedy, like japan word plays, obscure japanese references(like actors and musicians from japan), very cultural stuff... oh and of course pervy jokes... like very pervy, do not watch this series with your family around im serious.
It’s extremely good. One of the best and most satisfying conclusions I’ve ever experienced in a story
best to ever do it
The best part of this scene is the "second reading" that nadeko does in Nademonogatari. Spoiler ahead:
I love the fact that after being so influenced by this dialogue Nadeko understand that at this time shinobu was having a bad period because of Seishiru, allowing her to lift the weight given to theese words and move on
Shinobu: KKKKKKKKK
Shinobu just breaking down Nadeko like that
Who else coming back here after Nademonogatari
Shinobu used reality check
Critical hit
"The Shinobu"? Is she a thing?
Monogatari's equivalent of England's, supernatural/paranormal attack watchdog.
it is "the Shinobu" indeed
I love the dialogue in this anime
1:45 she said it!!!
Shinobu is 🔛🔝
Only Shinobu can believer such savage burns.
SAVAGE, but true. To be continued in... Nademonogatari
Al final de nademonogatari (off season) Nadeko le pregunta a Shinobu si todabia la considera solo jna chica linda...Shinobu responde que no recuerda haberle dicho eso nunca...🎉🎉 En forma de reconocimiento al crecimiento de Nadeko 🥺✌️ojala animen pronto esas historias.
0:19 Cunny 😭
Nadeko is fake kawaii while Shinobu is the real deal
Nadeko meets Shinobu in Araragi’s bedroom***
Medusa Nadeko vs Kiss-Shot, who will win?
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkk essa risadinha
0:46 - kakaka-kakakaka
Kakaka
Lol
OMG I would cried
I like her :/
was koyomi in the family guy death pose
This is not the shinobu I knew
What was araragi doing
Whats the bgm name in this scene?
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Because of people respectful Shinobu not respect
The feet show
Shinobu is number one!