I invite you to look at Moe Norman’s iron set that is online. They are worn out in the shape of a ball right in the middle of the blade. Moe used to practice all of the time. Do you know what is missing today? Practice! People today expect their clubs to do it all. This is ridiculously obvious on the greens. I don’t care if you spent 1k for a putter. If you can’t hit it properly you are going to miss. It is getting comical at this point because everyone is being played by a bunch of marketing.
@hillbilly4christ638 I agree, even though most of us don't golf for a living, the amount of "my practice consists of just playing a round on Sunday with the boys" is appalling. If you can't even get off the tee box, the course is not where you should be.
Love this! Nice to see somone making it more of a fair test. Have you hit the modern made persimmon woods? I've just got my hands on a Persimmon T Classic with a 260cc head I think. A wooden mini driver if you will. 9° lift I think. It has a steel shaft which is enjoyable but I think less optimal. Tried to get a wood but it looks like the company may have stopped operating.
This is exactly what I found comparing a modern Ben Hogan driver to and older persimmon (Louisville Golf TWPD) with a True Temper shaft. 7 mph difference in swing speed and 20 yard difference in ball flight. I've got several Powerbilt Persimmons that I want to try as well. I think the timing is different between the old shaft and the new stiffer shafts. The older Tru Tempers feel more whippy and there's a sense that the shaft flexes as soon as you hit the ball, while the new shafts don't seem to give one bit.
Love this James. Good honest efforts as well. I guess the key thing is the right shaft for you is the most important thing? Thats reflected in how many shaft options / variations there are where are you might get 2/3 head options from manufacturers these days? Would you do a similar text with modern irons versus older ones? I feel technology has potentially moved on more here for the regular amateur player?
Technology has made a huge difference in the game of golf. I’m a retired Tour player (45 yrs old) who only plays 2-3 times a year now, and I hit the ball further now than when I was 20yrs old playing state lvl golf. Drivers do go further due to their forgiveness and lower spin rates, the irons are almost 2 clubs longer than they were in the 1990’s too, but the biggest factor for the extra distance are the balls. I’ve got loads of balls from the late 90’s and 2000’s and I can tell you they go WAY shorter than they do now, it’s almost criminal how long the new balls are 😂 … and they go MUCH straighter, too.
Watched a current tour pro on a vid getting 1.48 smash with a persimmon…..but his club head speed was slower. so they go as far if you can swing them just as fast and hit the middle…..but we can’t. So his results were the same as you. About 10 yards less.
Well made video/test. What golf ball do you recommend for persimmon? I usually use Pro V1 but as you say, can feel a bit hard. Is the Sounder ball suitable for persimmon? I only have a dozen "Spalding Tour Editions" left. P.S I play at RND with Fordy senior every week.
Wilson staff Zip. They are the softest ball i have ever hit including Tour 90 and Tour 100 Balata. You will sacrifice spin though on iron and wedge shots. Another couple are the Duo Soft and Callaway SuperSoft. They will spin more than the Zip.
At 16:13, Hogan looks witheringly straight down the camera lens, as if to say "Are you still rolling? He ain't ever getting 155 ball speed out of this Maxfli today".
really demonstrates how much better the golfers were before modern novelty clubs reduced the golf swing to a 'ball speed' rather than a solid hit on the screws. i imagine if the top pros of today were forced to play with traditional equipment, we would see how truly average they are...and how many low handicap players are just as good as they are. the difference is that professional golf is little more than long drive contests.
Inherited a set of 80s persimmon woods from my grandpa and they play fantastic not to mention how gorgeous they look
lol the dogs having a blast scratching himself on the mat
Lololol...Hogan yelling "whiff" in the middle of your swing absolutely made my day!!! Give him a treat...he just earned a sub!!!
Those old Wooden woods and forge blade irons are the absolute best teachers. When you miss em your entire body knows it😂
I invite you to look at Moe Norman’s iron set that is online. They are worn out in the shape of a ball right in the middle of the blade. Moe used to practice all of the time. Do you know what is missing today? Practice! People today expect their clubs to do it all. This is ridiculously obvious on the greens. I don’t care if you spent 1k for a putter. If you can’t hit it properly you are going to miss. It is getting comical at this point because everyone is being played by a bunch of marketing.
@hillbilly4christ638 I agree, even though most of us don't golf for a living, the amount of "my practice consists of just playing a round on Sunday with the boys" is appalling. If you can't even get off the tee box, the course is not where you should be.
Very enjoyable watch. Got an old hogan speed slot Percy I’ll get out again and have a bash with
Nice test. Sounds about right. Around 20 yards or so in 30 years tech in the club alone.
Love this! Nice to see somone making it more of a fair test. Have you hit the modern made persimmon woods? I've just got my hands on a Persimmon T Classic with a 260cc head I think. A wooden mini driver if you will. 9° lift I think. It has a steel shaft which is enjoyable but I think less optimal. Tried to get a wood but it looks like the company may have stopped operating.
This is exactly what I found comparing a modern Ben Hogan driver to and older persimmon (Louisville Golf TWPD) with a True Temper shaft. 7 mph difference in swing speed and 20 yard difference in ball flight. I've got several Powerbilt Persimmons that I want to try as well. I think the timing is different between the old shaft and the new stiffer shafts. The older Tru Tempers feel more whippy and there's a sense that the shaft flexes as soon as you hit the ball, while the new shafts don't seem to give one bit.
Love this James. Good honest efforts as well. I guess the key thing is the right shaft for you is the most important thing? Thats reflected in how many shaft options / variations there are where are you might get 2/3 head options from manufacturers these days? Would you do a similar text with modern irons versus older ones? I feel technology has potentially moved on more here for the regular amateur player?
I swear to god the sweet spot of a persimmons driver is the greatest sound in the world
Technology has made a huge difference in the game of golf. I’m a retired Tour player (45 yrs old) who only plays 2-3 times a year now, and I hit the ball further now than when I was 20yrs old playing state lvl golf. Drivers do go further due to their forgiveness and lower spin rates, the irons are almost 2 clubs longer than they were in the 1990’s too, but the biggest factor for the extra distance are the balls. I’ve got loads of balls from the late 90’s and 2000’s and I can tell you they go WAY shorter than they do now, it’s almost criminal how long the new balls are 😂 … and they go MUCH straighter, too.
yep - and i think the game is poorer for it!
Watched a current tour pro on a vid getting 1.48 smash with a persimmon…..but his club head speed was slower. so they go as far if you can swing them just as fast and hit the middle…..but we can’t. So his results were the same as you. About 10 yards less.
Well made video/test. What golf ball do you recommend for persimmon? I usually use Pro V1 but as you say, can feel a bit hard. Is the Sounder ball suitable for persimmon? I only have a dozen "Spalding Tour Editions" left. P.S I play at RND with Fordy senior every week.
Wilson staff Zip. They are the softest ball i have ever hit including Tour 90 and Tour 100 Balata. You will sacrifice spin though on iron and wedge shots. Another couple are the Duo Soft and Callaway SuperSoft. They will spin more than the Zip.
At 16:13, Hogan looks witheringly straight down the camera lens, as if to say "Are you still rolling? He ain't ever getting 155 ball speed out of this Maxfli today".
Hogan was in a VERY odd mood this day.
He’s losing it. However his judgement is still good. Was very agitated by the Maverick
Actually I own set of Sounder irons from decades ago. Good looking clubs but there are much easier irons you can own and play.
really demonstrates how much better the golfers were before modern novelty clubs reduced the golf swing to a 'ball speed' rather than a solid hit on the screws.
i imagine if the top pros of today were forced to play with traditional equipment, we would see how truly average they are...and how many low handicap players are just as good as they are. the difference is that professional golf is little more than long drive contests.
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