Toyota Celica vs Honda Accord - i-VTEC vs VVTL-i
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- Let's see how the bonkers Toyota Celica GT-S with the legendary 2ZZ-GE compares with my K24 Accord Type S.
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CL9 Modifications:
- ECU Reflash
- Corona Cold Air Intake
- PLM Headers
- Yonaka 2.5" Catback Exhaust
- DC5 Type R Gearset
- Hawk Performance Brake Pads
- Tein S-Tech Lowering Springs
- Sparco DS1 18x7.5 +48 Wheels
- 225/45R18 Bridgestone Potenza RE003's
- Flow Designs Australia Lip Kit
- Type S Grille
- Euro R Shift Knob
- Modulo Sports Kit and Spoiler
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:33 Exterior
1:35 Interior
3:26 Drivetrain
4:54 Rolling Race
5:36 Celica Driving Impressions
7:52 Accord Driving Impressions
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Great review man was a blast lending the car to you! You are completely right though about the handling and refinement etc. Its definitely a big step down from the hondas but that engine almost makes it worth it haha.
Thanks for letting me drive it man! And yeah, agreed the engine makes it so worth it for the price. One of the last cars that can offer an over 8000rpm experience for an affordable price.
Right!!!
When he started driving I was like oh my god
I see myself crashing in this haha
I personally think it handles really well tbh, can easily keep up with much faster cars on the mountain, super direct and stiff and has lift off oversteer. Just gotta give it to her hard lad she can take it :P
@@patrickbrown1794 the thing is Honda's (Integra in particular) hit a similar handling note but tend to be a lot more refined. Superstrut is brutal. It is effective but I remember cross shopping one with a DC2r and I went with the Integra Because it was just more ergonomic as a daily driver...
Saying that, there's nothing much like the Celica in the price category anymore.
SELL ME YOUR SPOILER!!!!
That celica is amazing. The sound is so angry and smooth it really sets you "free".
Oh yeah man the engine is fantastic
Always wanted something with a 2zz was leaning more towards the corollas for the sleeper look. That gen Celica never sat well with me but I’ll admit they’ve grown on me over the years
Yeah man anything with a 2ZZ would be a fantastic car for sure. The engine is a masterpiece
Matrix XRS is always an option, been driving one since may and I'm absolutely in love with it.
05 corolla xrs!
The old school Celica with the 22R and RWD was the best.
@@xXRacer9000Xx no xrs’s were sold in NZ unfortunately. Some 4 door hatchback versions came with 2zz. Corolla Z, sometimes labeled just Allex. Came in the fielder z wagon but no sedan I know of
I love these comparison videos, keep it up mate🤙🏽
Thanks man!
Holy shit that Toyota 2zz sounds amazing 🥲. Love the looks of that celica also
Haha yeah it's a brilliant engine man
I have a 370z but I had 2 Celicas back in the day. Gt>S. Had a rare Black Widow 2 body kit on one. Loved the hell out of that car. Felt so light, handled great, and still looks exciting to this day. The 2zz sounds amazing and the feeling you get when you rev it out feels fast, especially once it hits lift. But the lack of torque is it's biggest downfall. I'll definitely get another one, one day. Fantastic video!
Thanks man! And yeah they're pretty sick cars
how does the 370z compare to the celicas? currently deciding on either going all out and getting a Z or fucking around in a cheap celica
@@smorley4359sorry I never replied, but the 370z is in a different class of speed for sure. You cant really do anything to the 2zz Celica that can make it close to how fast the 370. Maybe boost, but I think it’d be similar still. The one thing I love about the Celica is how light the chassis felt. You can chuck it around corners more than the 370 but the 370 feels way more substantial as a car. They both look amazing and have that racing vibe
Awesome video man! I have an 03 Celica GTS (Canadian spec) and I loved this video!
Nice man!
Bro great vid, thru and thru it was great and entertaining
Thanks man!
Great content as always 👍
Thanks man!
Really enjoyed the vid. Waiting for the next one. Cheers.
Cheers man - just posted it now!
Ah thanks m8. Gonna check it soon.
Love the videos bro keep it up 👍
Thanks man!
My previous car was a celica Tapout,I love it! Now I have honda accord 2.0 2006 ! Thank you for this video
Cheers
The Celica GTS driver driving is a bit suspect. The Celica GTS makes the same power, but is about 600 - 700 lbs lighter than the Accord Euro S (TSX). 0-60 mph was tested in 6.6 seconds. I used to race RSX-S (Integra Type S) with 200 HP back in the day with my 2ZZ-GE Corolla XRS and used to do quite well against it as it was about 200 lbs lighter.
We both started in the same gear. And my accord makes a lot more power than stock
@@KiwiCarLife Well, the gearing and redline is different. In a 2ZZ-GE, the engine needs to be close to 6000 rpm starting out. Rolling start requires it to be close to that. Though, modding makes the story different.
Celica driver don't know how to keep the power in the lift.Celica 2zz is faster.
@@rekviemforadreamer2738 well, it just isn’t. The celica driver was really solid man. You can see it clearly in the roll race videos. Remember my car is modified with shorter gears and full bolt ons. Celica was stock besides exhaust.
In a race I started first in gear at about 5000RPM and in another race (highway) I was 2nd gear over lift engagement point. his accord is just faster
Not too sure if i havent noticed but love the addition of the graphics!
Thanks man, yeah been doing it for a while but it's helpful to visualize
I use to own a Toyota Fielder Aerotourer Z with the 2zz for around 10yrs and it was still bulletproof at 330ks when I sold it. Nippy wagon that surprised lots of drivers especially once it screams past 6k with the TRD headers 🤗
Oh mate that would have been an awesome little wagon
Nice review. It's strange how the lift in the celica is only from 6k to 7800. The same engine in my sportivo has lift from 6200-8200.
Also there isn't a different cam for lift but rather different cam lobes that engage with oil pressure.
In my opinion the 2zzge is possibly the best mass produced naturally aspirated Toyota engine of all time.
Finding a mint celica in Australia is harder than finding rocking horse poo.
Well, my stock Celica T-Sport revs to 8250, plenty of room to have some fun!
@@teme5529 thanks man, and yeah almost all 2zz's go to 8250, this one included. Just the redline shows a little lower on the Celica. VVTL-i engagement is slightly different on all 2zz models too. 3sge beams engine has gotta be a close 2nd... Rwd too!
Yeah the way toyota handles it lift is probably better interms of less rotational mass on the cams
@@atom608 yeah and I think I didn't really explain the way it works too well... When I was saying "camshaft" I really meant "cam lobe" as there are two lobes on the one camshaft that it switches between. My bad...
Yes! I look up these celicas and the Corolla sportivo with the 2zz and they are just thrashed or have super high kays with crazy high prices. 🧐. Good luck to the sellers I guess, who wouldn’t try to get max bucks back on a car you thought you’d never even get half your money back on.
You know another one I don’t see come up?
Honda Accord Vti-S. Not sure if model designation but it’s the one with the H22 motor. I think they must have evaporate in the heat.
i used to have a toyota matrix xrs with a 2zz in it. The redline was higher on those (8200) so it was pretty funny to have that much fun packed into what looks like a mom wagon
Oh yeah man good fun, this goes to 8200 too, just the redline shows as a little lower
Great Video, you should do a video on rev matching, so addicting watching you do it :)
Got it planned for a future video!
Nice one! Had a Corolla T sport in the UK, dope car, gearing let it down though you had to "bang gears" to stay in lift!
Yesss agreed haha - gears just a touch too long but it's a great fun little car
I have one I’m here New Zealand i really want you to drive it haha
We used to call the Celica the poor man's Integra, and that isn't a bad thing. They don't get the love they deserve. It was the BRZ/GT86 of its day.. it's just a shame they got abused by 'ricers' of its time. Its a great platform to start with
Yeah agreed man. Not on the level of the integra but given how expensive they are now, I'd be more than happy with a celica
I've been daily driving my 2zz celica for over a year and it's been the best 3k I spent (bought it before covid prices.)
Oh yeah man for 3k it'd be the best car ever haha
You looked to be enjoying yourself much more in the celica than other-"other" cars in these comparisons! I wonder how much the type-r gear set helps the CL9. I have both and they're both brilliant in their own ways. Even with a proper header on the cl9 the 2zz is much more exciting up top. This video makes me want to hold onto the celica for longer.
Yeah type r gears make a massive difference. And yeah it's good fun. My kind of car
@@KiwiCarLife The celica would be good if the gearbox was not made of glass. I had a 2zzge corolla sportivo hatchback and the gearbox blew to pieces their very torqueless aswell. Honda has way more torque.
@@StealthyyyHD Yeah agreed
@@KiwiCarLife The accords has way better gearbox. I got myself a euro after the gearbox exploded. This accords held up to my abuse. Redline allday and clutch kick the shit out of it with over 300,000 kms 🤣
@@KiwiCarLife the 2zzge sounds amazing though reving to 8200 that's about it. Accord beats it in every way
Nice video would've been nice to see a comparison with the same mods
Yeah that's true... Getting harder and harder to compare cars fairly now my car is modified!
wow that sound
Yeah man it's nuts aye
I used to see 2000 Toyota Celica GTS race against 2001 Integra Type R. Much fun to watch th scream and pull far away.
Yeah the DC5 would have absolutely disappeared
You would really love to drive a full bolt on tuned celica i think. The 2zz almost reponds as well to mods as the k series
Yeah that would be cool man!
Interesting comparison Gee yu've got gr8 scenery to drive in, i could drive there all day every day lol
Is the 2ZZ-GE the engine built by Yamaha ?
Thanks man and not built but the head is designed by yamaha yes
Hi, i have a 2001 corolla runx z corolla 6spd manual i picked up cheap, has the 2zz engine and its insane and with 250k on it too!. Good interior etc just feels like good quality. But in saying that i always wanted a type r or a nice euro r. Have to love these cars.
Mm yeah the k20 is just that little bit better aye... 2zz runx is still cool tho. Like Toyotas ep3
6 spEEEEEED . The 2zz is dope
Yeah man awesome engine
Think you enjoyed the celica more , with regards to quickness , I think if you didn't have that type R gear set we might be having a different discussion. I agree with you though, the accord is definitely better to live with and after a while the celica will become a chore to drive with that torqueless 2zz screamer . Great video loved the content . Fellow accord cl9 owner as well.
Thanks and yeah probably, ofc I'd prefer a stock Celica to a stock accord. But now mines modified the accord is just as sporty but a much better all rounder
This is quite the apples to oranges comparison. While the GT-S is a more focused car, your modified Accord shows that one can still have plenty of fun in a luxury family sedan while also enjoying all of the other benefits it brings to the table. If limited to a single car, even in stock form the CL9 makes for a good all-around choice. The GT-S would make for a fun weekend toy, especially for those looking to stand out from the crowd. Your video provides a sense of why Lotus chose the 2zzge for the Elise and the Exige back in the day.
Yes, you're the first person to pick that up! My whole premace has been that you can't make a Celica more comfortable, it will always be a loud, rattly weekend toy. Whereas you can make the accord faster. Which is what I did and now it's as good of a driver's car as the Celica, but wayyy more liveable every day.
@@KiwiCarLife To be fair to the Celica, it definitely has the ability to be the better driver's car of the two (which stock-for-stock is certainly true). However, it will never be capable of coddling the driver the way your Accord is and as you noted, that is of particular important to you. At the end of the day, every car is a compromise in some way. Knowing your own preferences is key.
@@VirtualGuth yes agree
That celica sounds like a bseries. pretty impressive for the celica to keep up with the kseries torque
Yeah tbh I was surprised too... I still claim he jumped the start a little in both races lol (you can see in the motorway race especially he started from a higher speed) but either way, there was never a race we did where he "won". Still mighty fast tho as you say. Did not expect it to keep up at all
@@KiwiCarLife I think that with some bolt-ons and a tune on the celica, the matchup would've been a little closer (in my opinion)
Yet it does cost a lot to modify these cars, since you need a standalone to replace your ecu for tuning etc..
I have a 5speed auto accord with all the same mods your accord has in this video over the passed year of ownership, lovely car and is amazing to drive however I’ve always wanted a stick shift and have found a 7th gen stock celica with a 6spd manual and lower kms for the same price my car is worth. Would you make the change?
Yeah tbh I probably would. You'll be taking a hit on refinement and comfort but it'll be very fun and exhilarating to drive
I love the euro r accord. ❤️
Yeah man it's a great car
Kept up with the 2.4✌️
Sorta
This man had me dead when he said nfs pro Street, showed a picture from most wanted, talking about a car from underground. 😄 great vid thou.👌
Yes I realized my memory failed me on which game the Celica in
@@KiwiCarLife it's all good lol, loved the vid.
@@Subieguy03 thanks man
Got my 2zz finally... Just haven't had the chance to experience it
Give it some good Welly - you'll love it
Funny you mentioned the Celica tach should be in the middle. The Celica TRD Sports M version had the tach in the middle
Ahh yes trd did the same in the altezza gauges... Good idea!
I've a 140bhp 2006 Gen 7 Celica but l also loved my Gen 6 2000 2.0 Accord Executive too...by the way are you an aviation enthusiast too?
Nice man and yes I am somewhat haha
Sold our Red 06 Celica GT here in UK 2 and a half years ago for 2k, the last they made of them with body kit, lowered suspension etc from factory. Had 120k miles on clock but had been well looked after with one previous owner for the first 20k miles. Even had the new unused spare alloy in boot that came with the GT. Had a new clutch at 80k and only started needed odd bits doing here and there after the 110k mark. The problem was the heater matrix packed in, Mrs needed it for winter mornings, to replace that the whole dash needs removing, garages didn't want the work, or said the labour cost was ridiculous, hence the cheaper selling price. The actual part was cheap though . Also there was advisory on oil on last Mot but they didn't know from where. So we sadly said goodbye as thought was right time. Been watching the prices go up and up now, lol. If had a bigger garage would of sorn it off road and kept it away to work on in future.
Ahh yeah sounds like a great car ruined by some annoyances. But yeah the prices are creeping up for sure
DC5 would have been a better comparison to the Celica. I always thought that final model Celica was designed by Toyota as a direct competitor to the Vtec DC2.
Yeah true, just couldn't get my hands on both so the accord had to do
@@KiwiCarLife amazing video as usual none the less! I can’t wait to see what the CL9 stands up to next! 🤣
@@oscarkabowski8413 thanks man!
I believe that Celica was more of a competitor to the integra type r with it's 1.8L. Production years were slightly before the DC5, though they did run for about the equivalent times.
@@marcusscott17 yeah, it always felt like it a Toyota knock off of the DC2 to me.
I used to owned a Corolla Sportivo, the word 'RAW' summed up exactly the sound of 2ZZE engine.
Very much so
2ZZ Celica vs K20a3 DC5 would make an Interesting comparison since both are in a similar price category.
Celica has a very narrow torque band while the K20a3 is broad but not as quick
Yeah that's true man would be a good video
I put my jdm celica almost identical to the one in the vid, againist a jdm k20 dc5 that had an intake,lsd, exhaust and rsm. Before i fitted an lsd and no mods except proper trd backbox. Surprised me big time, kept to the bumper till 4th gear but then the k20 just pulls that bit harder. Must do another run againist one as iv fitted an lsd and freshened it up a bit
@@johnfgt500 hmm. I've got a DC5 base too. Heard modifications weren't really worth it but with Type R prices the way they are maybe I should look into this!
VVTL-I🇯🇵🔥
Good noise eh
did you ever think to swap vtc gear for 50 degree one ? it's nice little mood :)
Yeah even bought the parts to do it, but decided the benefits were minimal and didn't need to spend the money
you need to make a video about modding your headunit with a android that supports carplay and android auto
Sorry man but I despise those android head units haha. You'll never see one in my car!
For the 1 in 100 time I need to navigate somewhere I just stick my phone in the center console, and for music I use an fm transmitter. No need to spend hundreds on a henious looking, unreliable, laggy unit that totally ruins the stock lines of an old car dashboard
If you get your hands on 6 speed manual v6 Tiburon it be interesting, it chops my mates 2zz Japanese imported ts celica and dc5 type s off the line.
Ahh yes the classic Hyundai Coupe! Forgot about them tbh... We traded an automatic one, wasn't fast lol but at a guess the manual ones would go alright
@@KiwiCarLife which year was it? I have an fl2 2007 6 speed manual and my 0-60 is 7.2-8.1 and my old gt 4 speed auto was always in 8’s
Hmm like an 03 or something? Pretty old
My 05' Matrix XRS can go up to redline? I never took it up that far in fear I'd break something lol. 😊
lol haha it’ll be fine!
My only problem with the celiac is the headlights that’s why I prefer the generation before that with the 4 headlights
Yeah the st185 is a nice shape, they're all too old for me now tho
The 2zz is surprisingly slept on in the car world. And correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Toyota’s VVTi technology actually best i-Vtec to the market.
Yeah it's a great engine man, people are just starting to catch on to it
@@KiwiCarLife Yeah. I think one of Toyota’s greatest mistakes was not offering the 2zz in the MKIII MR-2. I always found that super confusing considering they found the business case to drop one in the Toyota…… Matrix 🥴
P.S, I used to own that same “Accord”, albeit a North American version (TSX). The US TSX made about 152kw. It was one of my favorite cars but sadly my brother in law totaled it.
@@Soh90 funny you talk about a 2zz MR2...
@@KiwiCarLife 👀 I can’t wait for that video to drop 😏
@@Soh90 u know it bro - out 30th jan
toyota 2zz makes beautiful sounds and for 1.8 is amazing but Accord K24 is another level
Yeahhh
What about the K24 block with a K20 cylinder head from a Civic Si/RSX Type S? That is the best band for your buck when you want to make more HP.
@@applepoop10 well funny you say that... Check out tonight's video!
hey bro just wondering, what is the check engine light on for?
Oh that was an old video from when I had a bad knock sensor - it's fixed now
Toyota 2zz engine is co produced by YAMAHA. same as Ford Taurus SHO. That's why it can rev so high!
Indeed
I have a 2000 (or 1999, technically) GTS model, like the one in this video - it's even white too lol, although sadly without the "action package" like the one here is shown with. I bought it around 8 years ago as my previous car left me on the side of the road. I just wanted something to have fun with, and never would have considered the Celica if it weren't for the deal falling into my lap. It was small, manual, and the design is surprisingly modern even after two decades - I feel like it doesn't look like a 24 year old vehicle. And with the sunroof, leather interior, 76k OG miles for only $4k, it checked all my boxes at the time. The 2zz is really fantastic, it's quite surprising how it feels and sounds, especially when you get on it. It's not a "fast" car by most metrics, the word I like to use is "quick," but the bottom line is it's just hella fun to mess around in. It's nearly impossible not to be smiling from ear to ear when ringing out gears to 8k all the way through 6th. Let's just say entering the highway is a good bit of fun lol. I have a blast in this car even with otherwise mundane tasks, like heading to the grocery store. The best part is, for a 24 year old car, I get an average of 33.2 mpg city/highway combined according to my Ultragauge, and I do quite a bit of both city and highway, even during my more spirited driving sessions haha. I really enjoyed seeing this car on your channel, and seeing your reaction to driving it. It made me smile seeing you smile because I know exactly how that feels. I learned something today too, I never knew Toyota offered this with an LSD. Sadly they did not offer that as an option in the US!
Nice man! Glad to hear you're enjoying the car
find yourself a Caldina GTT Manual youll see how fun those cars are to drive for a wagon.
Drove one of the later caldinas, I'm sure with a manual it'd be great, still not a huge fan of the 3sgte sound and the awd setup favours understeer... But still a good car
@@KiwiCarLife thats weird because my Stock Caldina GTT sound really great. Can hear it from the end of the street
can tell by the top mounts that it has superstrut suspension, and going off how the car looks and how most of them get thrashed there is a very good chance the suspension is worn out which does cause vague and unpredictable handling
Yeahh tbh my main complaint was steering feel, as opposed to handling. Quite light
@@KiwiCarLife fair, also doesnt help that no one seems to change the power steering fluid on them, the reservoir isnt supposed to look all green and disgusting
Yeahh true might have something to do with it
hey mate owner of the celica here, it is the SS version of the celica with the LSD from factory, front end feels kinda vague sometimes especially in the rain. Recommend rebuilding the suspension or going straight to coil overs for this one? Just had the gearbox rebuilt so suspension is next on my list
@@atom608 coilovers are quite hard to get for superstrut, most of the coilovers for it will require your old shock to be cut just above the balljoint and welded on to the bottom of the coilover. because it holds the weight of the car it is very difficult to get a cert with the weld type coilovers, and you can have issues with not having enough stroke. tein has coilovers that are made to order for it, but also require your old shocks but i cant find much information about them so unsure if they are welded or not. only bolt on coilover ive been able to find is aragosta which is like 5k nzd + freight from japan. rebuilding the suspension is the easiest route, about to start doing it on my celica. there is more to it than shocks though, you will most likely need to replace the 3 arms that make up the superstrut suspension. recommend checking for play and the condition of the boots, have done quite a bit of research on this so any questions just ask :)
love your car man, i have an 03 accord euro and I want to put the same spoiler you have on mine, I was wondering what retailer you would recommend to buy it from
Thanks man, it came with the car from factory. It's not something you can buy new anymore. You'll have to browse the auction sites
@@KiwiCarLife thanks man
Jesus, the Celica revs so high, its crazy.
So does the accord! Both go to 8 grand
@@KiwiCarLife Really they rev the same? Celica sounded like a bike or something LOL.
@@patrickc8007 its because of the yamaha designed head, it starts to come out once you open up the exhaust lol
As you said Accord looks like a basic car, heaps of them at the streets. Celica’s look is just stand out, and spot on in a city. That’s a difference, power is another story, depends how you mod it, any car can be fast if you make it fast.
Yes true
Hey what mods do you have on your accord?
It's in the description of the video
@@KiwiCarLife oops. Got it. Thanks!
@@derrickkoh468 All good man
What shift knob do you have on the gts?
No idea
@@KiwiCarLife ok 😅
What exhaust did you plant on the celica?
It’s a custom one, car isn’t mine so I’m not sure
was a muffler delete, pretty sure it has the stock res and cat
what exhaust is on that celica??
Honestly no idea, it has a muffler delete then just an exhaust tip on the end
Custom one I guess
As someone who owned a corolla t sport with the 2zz and now owns a type r with a K20 I can say the type r is better on every single aspect. The corolla was to soft, the engine didn't have alot of potential beyond the factory specs unless you throw alot of money at it, the gearbox was terrible, you would actually fall out of lift when shifting unlesa you let the clutch slip (and believe me I've tried to keep it there but even on the redline you still drop out of it) and it was just an overal worse experience. Toyotas are very good reliable cars but Honda just knows best how to build a fun car and it really shows
Yeah have to agree
It is VVTL-i instead of VVTi-L unless I have really lost my brain for good, since I drive one, haha.
Also if this was a T-Sport, things would turn into fun pretty fast! More revs too!
Bit confused... The whole time I said VVTL-i? And what's a t sport? How does it have more revs as this is the jdm GTS that has the most powerful 2zz. Is there another model I don't know about?
@@KiwiCarLife @KiwiCarLife oh what? Hahaha yeah I have lost it. I am certain I saw the video title written like VVTi-L. Weird XD
Anyways, I mean maybe it depends on GT-S. I have only heard about 180hp gt-s models or so. Celica T-Sport 2001 (the one I drive) has 192hp.
And yeah if that gt-s has 192hp stock, then it is the same thing.
@@teme5529 ahh yep this one is 192hp or 141kW so yeah it's the top performance one.
@@KiwiCarLife Okay well then it is the same one, yes!
@@KiwiCarLife i have the same model and you kinda have your info mixed up. The model you drove is a ss-II jdm, it would be the most powerful of the "normal" stock 2zz due to a more aggressive fuel map with 99 ron but with an 180km/h speed limiter. The top stock celica gen 7 2zz that you can get is called a sports m, limited run with trd engine and suspension tuning from factory, custom sports m body parts. Ss-II's just usually had extras added at the factory like the trd action kit, lsd,upgraded sound system, leather interior, projector lights etc
Taken into consideration that your Honda Accord is modified and the celica is bone stock outside of exhaust.. The celica is definitely the cooler car of the two because it was actually made to be that way the accord you have to modify it
Yeah ofc man we're all entitled to our own opinion. Stock for stock I'd be taking a celica too, but I guess my point is that I've owned integras in the past and they are so loud and uncomfortable and cheaply made and featureless that I've come to realise a better way to get a "perfect" car for me is to buy a luxury car that is quiet, comfortable and featuresome, and make it loud and fast. And that's what I've done and if people like me don't want a car that's uncomfortable with a cheap plasticy interior with no features, they should do the same.
I try to keep my videos as short and concise as possible so maybe some key points got left out there but yeah hope that makes sense.
Also it's getting harder and harder to compare cars fairly as my car is modified lol. Can't exactly just take it back to stock for the video haha
I missed so much my civic HB with B18c5 lsd tran
Cool car man!
Not a fair comparison between these two engines... one 1.8 vs 2.4? You need to go 1.8 vs 1.8 . Kseries is the best 4 cylinder engine ever made but dam the 2zz is a very fun engine too.
Ok so find me an accord with a 1.8 🤔
Not really meant to be a comparison between 2ZZ and K24 necessarily. It's meant to be comparing a lighter, smaller, smaller engined car, with a heavier, bigger larger engined car.
I reckon the k20a2 with 215hp would easily chop my 2zzge especially with the shorter gear ratios
Celica ❤️
Lovely car
What's the cause of that check light in the accord?
Oh haha that was an old video back when my knock sensor went out - it's fixed now
@@KiwiCarLife you removed the intake manifold or struggle without remove it?
I got both os those car and loved them both, the 2004 Honda was my first car and 2003 Toyota is my second car, just that my Honda is a bit faster
Nice!
What body style honda is that
CL9?
my mom smoked my 02 Toyota celica gts with her 04 ford taurus with the 24v 3.0 v6 engine i hated that i lost to a automatic lol
Lol
Tsx is a beautiful car. In every way
Indeed
Wonderful video triggering me to buy a celica
Haha go on
Some cars are just too perfect to drive. The steering is too refined. The engines are too refined. Modern cars are far too predictable and not as fun. The Celica has some character that makes it one word: FUN. And you can see it in his face. You watch other videos of Celicas and the same word comes to mind: FUN. It is not so much a sportscar but more of a roadster car. Overall, it is and still is a very very FUN car.
Yeah agree
To be fair this celica in the video (my car) by some shitty cheap tyres about $135 each and stock springs. planning on doing lowering springs that are stiffer with better tyres as i was on legit budget tyres
Soo You are telling me that the Celica was basically stock and your accord has mods on it I'm selling my Accord thanks for the advice
Mod the accord before you go buying a Celica. It'll be just as good to drive but way more comfortable, quiet and featuresome 👍
@@KiwiCarLife mine it's already mod and turbo i think i can make too much power from that 2zz ge if I change the block I can make it better than the k24
@@joshuamontanez9619 I'd be very surprised but ok
It sounds like a Honda....so, why people hate on Honda's sound is quite baffling
It's an acquired taste, but I think it sounds fantastoc
The h22 prelude would be better comparasion
Dc2 integra?
Some say the cbr250 engineers made the zz.
Probably more the fzr250 engineers? The head was made by Yamaha not Honda
Na na na ya got it all wrong, take that Celica or a runx z, straight pipe exhaust it, port match the intake manifold to the heads, and run an apexi power fc, no headers, no intake even and it'll blitz the accord.
Yeah and I’ll still take the Accord thanks. “Blitz” doesn’t mean better
Sounds like a motorbike with traction 🤪
Haha yeah man it's nuts
18k for a 7th gen accord????? Thats like 10k in euros. Ive found an usable accord 2.4 liter in finland for like 2000 euros.
Nah that's including mods mate. Only paid 8k for the car so about 5k euros. Ars are very expensive here
Unfortunately VVTL-I was short lived before it was completely discontinued by Toyota.
Yeah would've been cool to see it stick around like vtec
I have hard time liking one over the other. So I own Honda and Toyota.
Haha nice
So the Honda you modified an the celica stock hmm race a modified celica
Find me one to race. Gotta take what I can get, and the celica did have an exhaust and stripped boot so less weight
Your telling me you can find a boosted one anywhere right how big is you channel again
Sub $10k? I paid $900 for mine 😂
Goodness
I have a 2004 celica. My interior is much nicer...still lots of plastic but the seats are better. My 2016 rav 4 is much faster.
I had a 2006 accord and sold it for the celica 7 years ago. Not a fan of Hondas really. I've owned 2 and had bad luck with both.
Fair enough
Nothing against what you have to say, but you stated if the current celica verses your personal accord, which one wins, when for one that's the car you built. Of course you love your car vs the celica. But then you said if the added money you put on the accord into the celica and all of the places you didn't like you would like. So your basically stating if you had the same mods on the celica as the accord you would pick it! It was only certain things you didn't like because that's not your car nor your choice of mods. If you had it your way or opposite where the celica was more modified then the accord you would choose the celica because it was to your liking. I own both a celica and accord, and I completely disagree , being that the role is opposite. I have years with my celica and spent roughly over 20,000 over trial and error and being a teenager and modifying differently then I ever would now and I have a accord I picked up 3 years ago, spent less money, use it everyday. I love my celica over my accord, stock vs stock the celica, mod vs mod its personal opinion, especially if your car is in the mix. At first I thought you were comparing them fairly being this is my first video watching from you, but the mods are different and a personal car is in there, how can we base this truth vs opinion? Coming in that's what my expectations were. Video was nice, but for those who don't own either car, that's not far for you to give this opinion, because if your accord was stock, vs the celica, it would bounce more and take a bit more time to catch up, feel way more comfortable then the celica, but that's why the celica out the box is more of a sport car then the accord. It's not much of a comparison stock that's why most dont do a video with these cars, nor is their personal vehicle, that they most likely will choose because it's their build vs a less modified vehicle, is in the video. Please educate the people right, so the ones that need the education, and is does not have the luxury of driving either cars get the info they deserve, so when they are out there looking for a car, they have the right idea in mind. So next time this should be his car vs mine. Because I bet it wouldn't be far if my celica was against your accord. You have the power to control your videos, please educate everyone correctly.
Thank you for the feedback but you have missed my point. Stock for stock, the Celica is a better sports car obviously, but the practicality and interior features and build quality let it down. This is something you cannot change. However you can make the accord a better sports car.
Like I said at the end, id be buying an accord and spending a little extra on some lowering springs, headers and reflash to make it as fast and sporty as the Celica. Then you end up with a sports car that's also well built, featuresome, quiet and practical. The Celica will always be a plasticy, noisy, uncomfortable car and you can't change that.
Also if you think Celica vs Accord is weird comparison well like I said at the start the whole point is that it's lightweight sports car vs heavy sedan. I've owned integras and accords back to back so people do cross shop these kinds of cars together. And I concluded that for the price the Celica is a great car, but for me because I value features, build quality, practicality and a smooth and refined driving experience (something that you will never be able to remedy with the Celica) I'd get more luxurious car to start with and mod it, rather than buying an already sporty car that will be plasticy and uncomfortable.
If you put headers, reflash and lowering springs on the Celica it wouldn't make me prefer it because I still wouldn't be able to get over the trash interior.
Of course it looks better ur comparing 2006 to 2000 should of compared to 2005 Celica
The 05 Celica literally looks the same haha
05 celica would be slower because of ECU tuning
VVTL -l*
Yes, realized my mistake in the title and have fixed it thanks
V6 Camry slays em both ! LoL
And the more accurate competitor, the 2.4L Camry absolutely does not! LOL
@@KiwiCarLife my wife has a Celica the same and my Camry wagon shopping trolley blitzed it ashamably
@@RoseannaMiller-gg2lt yeah v6 or 2.4?
@@KiwiCarLife oh yeah def the V6 , that's what I said in my first comment
@@RoseannaMiller-gg2lt yeah exactly so there’s really no point in talking about what’s faster haha. I bet a V10 lambo is quicker than your Camry!
bruh but your accord is tunned when is stock 2.4 is dead....
Yeah ofc, but that's the whole point. Tuned heavy accord sedan, vs lightweight sports car
kind of a weird comparison, should have compared the celica against the Civic type R,, same price range and model range this accord is not a EURO R just a normal Euro.... and a sedan.
Ok so you're gonna find me these cars, make sure they're all available at the same time and get them all to my house right on cue to film the video you want? I appreciate the feedback man but I don't think you guys realise how hard it is to get these cars together for videos. I just have to take what I can get.
@@KiwiCarLife haha true that, theres a load of ep3s around I'm sure, If you want you can review mine 😅
@@Wouterlambregts ah solutions! We like to see it! You in Wellington?
@@KiwiCarLife Im from the Netherlands!
@@Wouterlambregts ahh that's gonna be an issue haha - if I'm ever over there I'll let you know!
Make note that the honda is way more likely to be stolen at least here in the USA
Haha lol
2.4 L vs 1.8 L
YES
-_-
Yes
I disagree with your conclusion celica wins find a modified celica and do this comparison again
Still gonna be left with a rattly, noisy, uncomfortable plasticy car with no features sorry man. That's the whole premace I'm making. You can do all the mods you want to the Celica but I'd still be getting out with my ears bleeding and with a sore back lol.
Absolutely the Celica (stock or modified) is a better sports car, but a modified accord is a better car all rounder.
@@KiwiCarLife The Celica is about driving it offers a more raw experience don’t really care about plastic interior pieces it’s not a Bentley it’s about being sporty some people like a more raw experience over the Honda Accord more dull experience
@@Toyota4Life you haven't even driven my accord so how can you say it's a dull experience lol - my argument this whole time has been stock vs stock, the accord is a better daily and the Celica is the better driver's car. But you'll never be able to make the Celica a better daily, but you can make the accord a better driver's car. I'd love to see you live with that Celica as your only car for 2 years... I think you'd get pretty sick of it
Honda💪💪👍👍
Good brand
1999? They started in 2000
Not in Japan
@@KiwiCarLife does that mean there was an 06 too?
@@vortex1628 possibly, have a google
Bahaha Celica is way better car and way nicer looking with the TRD kit which mine has and mines immaculate condition fully restored the review one is run down
Way better "car" or way better "sports car"? Looks are subjective my man
Settled for a rundown look like this one in the review for my first trd edition Celica Gts 😝👍 I wanted a clean looking car but the Gts 6speeds are very rare here where I live, the sports car like feel for a fwd makes up & plus I get great gas for a daily. I’m working with this Celica until I find one much cleaner I just hope the prices don’t mark up like the other jdm legends…