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I remember it clearly tho. It was hype. But also annoying to farm the gold emblem things. I must of made over 10k wolf pouches and the dreadfowls. I even liked the fruitbat unicorn and red spider. But my friends kept complaining how half the summons where useless in pvp.
I remember summoning's release. Everyone tried it out, but it was months before anyone really used it. I just wanted to get a dog, so I trained up to 4 iirc, then didn't touch it for a long time. It's release brought my favorite song in runescape: animal apogee. It brings back memories.
When summoning came out I was already bordering on max, so gold was no issue. It took very little time for high level clans (mine included) to figure out that bursting rock lobsters for blue charms was the best xp/hr. I remember how much even med-level upgrades like Tortoise and Bunyip absolutely changed how pvm worked. Having a unicorn at DKs was a primo upgrade that led to my gp/hr to skyrocket since I liked to camp DKs pretty often. Fruit Bats were a very important low-level moneymaker that would honestly compete pretty heavily even in today's economy. But nothing and I mean NOTHING could compete with having a Pack Yak or Titan and just how much your power-level spiked. That all said, I don't think people outside of the 2k+ community realized just how powerful summoning was in the beginning, and that led to a "rich get richer" kind of situation. Released today, I think people would be aware immediately and would be camping rock lobsters on every world.
"A lot of osrs players hate the idea of summoning entering the game" shows a poll in which 2 players (29%) don't want it. I believe the statement to be true but wtf.
While I'm sure there's a lot of people who would want summoning a vast majority truly don't. Summoning as it was released was once again a money pit for high level players who had already maxed out skills, namely construction and being that Shards were only attained via buying and charms were untradeable, it was designed to keep you busy for a long time. It definitely had perks such as more inventory space critters like Pack Yak and etc. But that's about where it ended. As the video said, most of the combat familiars either didn't do much of anything or died too quick. It was a pain in the ass to train and was expensive. In short... not something anybody wanted. In OSRS today, we got items like herb sacks and etc which essentially fill the role of those creatures like the Pak Yak. Albeit far more specific in use but frankly they still fill the same roles for most PVM players.
I still would like to see Summoning in another light for OSRS. Focus on combat summons, healers, buffs etc. Granted I feel with summons being added it would make PVM to easy.
I had a sleepover at my friend's house and we took turns doing the first quest on one computer. Hundreds of people running around doing the same quest. Nostalgia
I loved summoning on release and watching this video saying everyone hated it makes me wonder what else as a kid did I miss. I thought summoning was so cool and I renewed membership to do it
Hey I remember when summoning was released. It's part of the reason why it took me forever to start training summoning. A lot of my friends thought the skill was completely and utterly useless at the time, and were annoyed at having to gather charms all the time; not to mention the training itself was something we felt was terrible. Gradually, though, more and more started using it, and once I heard of BoB familiars, I followed suit. We talked a lot of trash about it, but I don't think it was our most hated update. Just missed the mark on launch.
Another banger. I liked summoning personally and had a lot of fun, but I don't think it belongs in OSRS. The new necromancy spellbook could be promising
I miss summoning and do wish it was released more balanced for osrs :( it's extremely powerful yes, but if you pulled a few choice summons and rebalanced a few others I think it would mesh decently, especially if you did something along the lines of limiting where it could be used (easily explainable, a place enchanted to bar such could be easily explained) so it couldn't be abused to make certain top tier challenges too easy, especially with groups, or perhaps limiting what you can summon depending on where you are. Good ideas, dumb ideas, I dunno, just was a summoning fan xD
My first wave of membership was that summer because they started carrying physical cards at big box stores in the US. Played a lot of F2P starting when I was 11 but kept being stupid and losing money to phishing. Before you needed a credit/debit card and I wasn't quite working age so being able to go to Walmart and pay $20 for a 3 month membership was dope, especially when the RS HD came out that year. Got back into RS because of some high school friends that I had somehow indirectly convinced to play during middle school (as I wouldn't shut up about it during 2004-2005). Played heavily from that summer up to June when I alched a yellow (video still on my channel from way back). Summoning by the time I got around to training and utilizing it was great. I just remember being excited as hell after I got to unlock tortoises for those inventory slots. In fact, me and a buddy of mine went to Graardor with those tortoises and managed to get tassets on a 4th kill as a duo. We weren't even geared up that great, like Barrows whip dfs, but we were able to do it because of the huge supply inventory. I can only imagine what true high level players felt like camping those GWD bosses and getting Hilts when they were mad expensive (~70m for an arma hilt during that time, which was basically like getting a p-hat). It wasn't until later on after I had quit and came back when DG was around and got 96 summoning during EffigyScape era that I recognized how broken Yaks were for myself. It's fun reminiscing every now and then about these old updates and seeing how younger people who might not have experienced it view it in retrospective.
Summoning was my first 99, i just loved the idea of having pets, tames, familiars, etc, and the druidic/guthixian theme of the skill was very much a vibe for me. Years later, in rs3, with additions like ancient summoning, and a few new things here and there like the holy scarab, it's really come along nicely over time.
Oh, thank god it wasn't "construction was broken lol! video # 562". I was worried when I saw the poll. I actually had no idea that Summoning was so busted. The only thing I remember back in the day playing it on launch is that it was stupidly expensive (shards being locked at 25gp each) and I wanted to spend my money elsewhere.
Honestly, my only memory of summoning was shortly after completing the quest I died in like the Chaos Altar shortcut or path to Dorgesh Kaan mine... With all 300? of the things you got to start with.
can you make a short video discussing any future series or talking about the old and unfinished ones?? i love each and every one of your vids btw!. Great work :D
Can you cover what's going on with the RS3 servers and the several of thousands of accounts that have been lost due to a neglect of an old faulty server? Also what's weird related to this new huge problem is that the rollback happened March 4th, 14:15 GMT, there was a bug on world 54 where stakes were being duped and losers of stakes would retain the money "lost" in the duel, meaning several phats/discontinued items could have entered the game recently. Especially once the bug abusers found out how to work it.
I was about 8 years old when eoc came out and after that nothing was game changing enough to make me keep playing and I quit until mobile was realised the player count was greatly affected in this time frame of eoc and adding summoning
@@ixyzyxi I was joking that pack yaks were the only reason. A little tongue and cheek, but overall, I'd only say there were maybe 5 familiars that were truly exceptional
The ability to store scrolls in your familiars and set them to use their special attack makes combat familiars alot more usefull than how it was on release. In rs3 bossers are using their best dps familiar instead of a bob nowadays.
Huh, I'm interested in seeing Mod Bennett's vision for summoning. Any idea if some snippets of his design document are uploaded anywhere online or is it forever hidden away in a random vault at Jagex HQ?
As far as I could find the document itself was never public. Jagex did release 4 development blogs leading up to Summoning's release which is where a lot of this info is from. It talks a bit about the document, but unfortunately not much.
Having played since 2003, I remember the general reaction to summoning was quickly a lot of people happy there was a new skill, but then it was.quickly replaced by confusion because jagex had unwittingly made a skill that required guides basically since it was so convoluted at launch. This was before anyone realized it was broke. Just no one really understood it. I remember the first 99 being maybe a month? Maybe a week? After the launch.
I remember glitches with terror birds / screeching B✉sterds - where if you don't use a teleport tablet They can home in and stop you from casting a teleport spell,stop you from making all of anything,bring back boneless corpses from pitfall traps
If you have ever lost gear that took you 6-8 months to a screeching b✉sterd you would want to kick it right in the c✉nt every time it homes in and screeches
When summoning first came out I seriously had no clue how it worked, took about a month for me to figure it out. If they put summoning into osrs then all osrs is missing is EOC to become RS3. If that happens I'll stop jumping between the two games and stick with RS3.
At release, I can remember being excited but the rewards for training it were just blah. Exactly what you said, too expensive for very little return. Just felt like construction all over again.
So here’s the crazy part, I remember this update very well, because I was barely hanging onto the game at the time. I was hoping summoning would be a great interesting skill that would revitalize my love for the game. It came out and I quit like the next week. Sad times. I did come back a few months later but it just didn’t feel special anymore.
Late to the party but I had the opposite experience. I had just quit the game, cancelled my membership that my parents paid for, and gave the account to my friend at the time. 2 weeks later summoning's release date was announced, I asked for the account back and rejoined. It was magic to me and summoning remained my favorite skill of all time, even though when it was released I was too young and dumb to gather charms effectively so I never fully experienced it until I discovered bonfires. That said I hated it post-EOC, mostly since it killed my sumtank's combat level. 😋
i remember wanting a pak yak so bad for Bandos, but after calculating the amount of waterfiends I was gonna have to kill for 96 summ, lets just say i became an "on and off" type of player. Then Dungeoneering/Charming imp came out and auto collected charms for you:)
Great video overall, I always enjoy your behind-the-scenes style storytelling and accompanying video-editing. However, it was probably not wise to use a poll of 7 people to determine that the skill was un-liked. I'm assuming you were among that 29 percent of dis-gruntled players because the tone of your voice implies that 71 percent approval is un-impressive for a major game update. Just something to watch out for going forward, if you aim to carve an identity as an unbiased source of information.
I loved summoning when it came out. Still remember the Home Screen and the new main music for summoning. Was great stuff. Plus the best quest ever made was right around the corner from that.
@6:50 Colonello definitely didn't play back when summoning was released if he thinks they weren't useful or rewarding. You had beast of burden pets which would give you up to 2x inventory [pack yaks] and pets that healed you so you can camp GWD for almost twice the time or 1 trip slayer tasks [bunyip,unicorn]. Every smart player wanted summoning on release
All I ever remember it being useful for was PVM for holding supplies and maybe a few other niche activities. Definitely made GWD and corp more accessible, sort of. Easier for small groups but they also reqd you to have 70+ summoning now, for a 5 man arma group lol.
No, the current game isn't Petscape like how Mod Mark implied Animal Lore to be Petscape. Pets in osrs are cosmetic and serve no purpose. Pets in Animal Lore would've been literal pokemon like how you said.
Summoning was just rushed. If necromancy magic were a thing, I would love it. No BoB feature, they simply draw aggro to themselves and fight until they die, 30 seconds after which you can reanimate another dead creature to fight for you. I always wanted to use blood magic and necromancy to roleplay a dark mage in Runescape.
I had 90+ all skills in 2006 and 126 combat, and 99 runecrafting... When summoning came out, I tried to keep playing but it just seemed like something annoying extra I had to do. Even the beasts of burden wouldn't have paid off for like 10,000 hours of runecrafting because of the massive time needed to get 99 summoning.
When it came out everyone was also really mad about how hard the token things to make the summons were to get. I remember a few things were ridiculous money makers.
I don't hate the idea of summoning coming to OSRS, I hate the fact that 75% of the player base plays multiple accounts that are like pack yaks with access to spell books at certain bosses like Bandos etc. If you give summoning it would be out of hand even more, 2 accounts would be like having 4 accounts devaluing content.
All of these years and no one yet so far have asked - Who's idea was it to launch the update of Climbing boots going from 500gp ea to 35k ea ruining the entire economy and making players billionaires over night?
I uh, always though summoning the way it was implemented flat was boring asf. There are definitely useful summons but uh, the whole "summoning demons and skeletons" at 1:40 sounds more like it. Allow it so you summon either one powerful or a few lesser creatures to help you fight, especially known creatures like demons or the undead. Such that you can actually feel like a necromancer or some such. The elemental and animals we got always seemed a bit lame to me, even though they did help you fight. The way it was implemented always felt lame to me.
I don't want new skills in OS, especially one that changes the whole dynamic of it like Summoning. The major reason we brought back OS was because of too many drastic changes to RS2/RS3.
OSRS will die eventually without a new skill. Summoning should be nerfed. BoB should have their inv space halved. Titans should be nerfed to half strength, and summoning level should not affect your combat level.
@@frayedaccl2145 There's never been any indication that OS will die without a new skill. In fact, all 3 times that a new skill failed the poll, the player population only increased within the next year. OSRS has recently been seeing its greatest success. In the most recent financial report, OSRS made the majority of Jagex's revenue for the first time ever (£65M OSRS, £43M RS3). If 23 skills don't provide enough content, then a 24th certainly won't be enough, either.
You need to watch Skychi (A old rs video maker back in 2007) He reviewed summoning when it was released and he said it was pretty bland as nothing paid off unless you were level 80+ sum.
Summoning dropped a few mo the before I initially quit the game due to drowning in the WoW sauce, I think my initial dive into the skill was before it was patched because I vaguely remember it falling flat in my mind. Just did not care for it. Getting back into Runescape now on the OSRS side, one of the first things I looked at was the skill tree because I wanted to see how many of the skills made the time capsule, and I felt so much relief on seeing that Summoning wasn’t present.
Ive been playing rs since 2002. I stopped playing after 2007 because the game wasnt the same anymore. My buddy called whom i played with since 2002 and we always kept in touch from meeting on rs. He let me know that old runescape was coming out. So i came back and i told him in 2013 that the players that started and played after 2008-2013 would be the demise of osrs because of the polling. They out number the real old school players on the polls so the game will eventually over time suffer the same fate as original rs2.
"It's hard to gauge what player response was back then simply because this update is 13 years old." First, ouch. Second, it was pretty divisive. Training it was pretty convoluted, or rather the entire skill was convoluted. It also intruded on every other aspect of the game, but not really because combat summoning was underwhelming and skilling summoning wasn't worth it with the time limit. So for the last few months I played RS2, summoning was pretty much only used for pack mule.
I’m not gonna lie bro I miss Summoning a lot. I think if I could import one skill from RS3, it would be Summoning. I loved the convenience factor of storing items, passive healing, etc. and also the companion nature of summoning powerful animals or monsters to assist you in combat or skilling. Thralls have us summon ghosts and stuff to help us but it’s still not quite the same.
Summoning was ok back then. But I feel like if they bring summoning in osrs then the game would slowly turn into rs3 again from the way people are voting some of the stuff to come in. It’s better if they keep the game old but add new monsters and islands and if they want to add new skills keep the newer ones separated from the Rs3 skills.
I personally used combat familiars over beast of burden/unicorns whenever I could just to see how they held up. In multicombat zones having enchanted headgear filled with scrolls would make the combat familiar spam its special attack, giving you mad xp rates when stacked with the combat skill you were training, nothing game breaking, but pleasant nonetheless. Was it better than BoB/Unicorn? Yes in areas you don't need to heal, againts bosses? No, but I'm not a scrub that needs an overpowered crutch. Remove BoBs/Unicorn and its fine, the general community thought CB familiars outside of the steel titan were useless, but they weren't in reality, they're supplementary to the player, and hilarious fun in multi combat. Also the Pheonix ash blast decimated Dragon claws accuracy, forcing 0s on specs.
remember nuking people in pvp worlds with the giant chinchompa due to its spec going off every time you clicked it, including spam clicks. or bugging nomad on release with the spirit kyatt
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I remember it clearly tho. It was hype. But also annoying to farm the gold emblem things. I must of made over 10k wolf pouches and the dreadfowls. I even liked the fruitbat unicorn and red spider. But my friends kept complaining how half the summons where useless in pvp.
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That means a lot man, tysm :D
Practice :)
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Love your music J1m but you still suck
I remember summoning's release. Everyone tried it out, but it was months before anyone really used it. I just wanted to get a dog, so I trained up to 4 iirc, then didn't touch it for a long time. It's release brought my favorite song in runescape: animal apogee. It brings back memories.
Was it "Animal Apogee" ? I didn't come across that song until after summoning.
Omg I loved animal apogee too!!!! No way!!! And dogs of war
@@Discokrieg Ye. You unlocked it going to a summoning obelisk besides taverly, or by doing the wolf whistle quest.
@@spiritofnex Yeah, that song is among my favorite songs, if not my top favorite.
I wanted a damn monkey and still to this day i dont have one on rs3 or os 😕 def workin on my os ironman tho had tostart over again..
When summoning came out I was already bordering on max, so gold was no issue. It took very little time for high level clans (mine included) to figure out that bursting rock lobsters for blue charms was the best xp/hr. I remember how much even med-level upgrades like Tortoise and Bunyip absolutely changed how pvm worked. Having a unicorn at DKs was a primo upgrade that led to my gp/hr to skyrocket since I liked to camp DKs pretty often. Fruit Bats were a very important low-level moneymaker that would honestly compete pretty heavily even in today's economy. But nothing and I mean NOTHING could compete with having a Pack Yak or Titan and just how much your power-level spiked.
That all said, I don't think people outside of the 2k+ community realized just how powerful summoning was in the beginning, and that led to a "rich get richer" kind of situation. Released today, I think people would be aware immediately and would be camping rock lobsters on every world.
7:55 a whopping 7 people voting lol
quite a conclusive study
"A lot of osrs players hate the idea of summoning entering the game" shows a poll in which 2 players (29%) don't want it. I believe the statement to be true but wtf.
Can't believe I didn't notice that LOL. I meant to put in the poll Jagex did a few years back on stream that had thousands of votes.
While I'm sure there's a lot of people who would want summoning a vast majority truly don't. Summoning as it was released was once again a money pit for high level players who had already maxed out skills, namely construction and being that Shards were only attained via buying and charms were untradeable, it was designed to keep you busy for a long time. It definitely had perks such as more inventory space critters like Pack Yak and etc.
But that's about where it ended. As the video said, most of the combat familiars either didn't do much of anything or died too quick. It was a pain in the ass to train and was expensive. In short... not something anybody wanted. In OSRS today, we got items like herb sacks and etc which essentially fill the role of those creatures like the Pak Yak. Albeit far more specific in use but frankly they still fill the same roles for most PVM players.
I still would like to see Summoning in another light for OSRS. Focus on combat summons, healers, buffs etc. Granted I feel with summons being added it would make PVM to easy.
@@JiffyGriffey i like this idea, maybe prayer and stat regen things like that. Or skill wait time reduced
@@JiffyGriffey it would ruin pvp.
I nearly had a mental breakdown when you said that Summoning is 13 years old. That's half my life. How has this happened? Where am I?
Cya in lumby
Bruh, that hit hard. Doesn't seem that long ago. I remember how glitchy creating pouches was
actually same dude..
Holy shit. Literally half my life too. I'm fucking 26. How is it that old. Fuck fuck fuck
@@SwoleHobo it’s not old. We’re not old. Right? RIGHT!?
I had a sleepover at my friend's house and we took turns doing the first quest on one computer. Hundreds of people running around doing the same quest. Nostalgia
Good memories when summoning came out but training summoning from what i remember was terrible
Yeah a lot of people compared it to Runecrafting
I guess getting charms could be annoying, but the skill itself was rather fast. (Assuming you're using crimson/blue charms)
Honestly I didn't know how to train hunting and construction so I had no idea what to do about summoning
Ah yes summoning the waterfiend afk to 99 for charms or burst/barrage rock lobsters
Unless you were barraging rock lobsters
I loved summoning on release and watching this video saying everyone hated it makes me wonder what else as a kid did I miss. I thought summoning was so cool and I renewed membership to do it
Nah only boomers hated it and they can't stop talking about it
Hey I remember when summoning was released. It's part of the reason why it took me forever to start training summoning. A lot of my friends thought the skill was completely and utterly useless at the time, and were annoyed at having to gather charms all the time; not to mention the training itself was something we felt was terrible. Gradually, though, more and more started using it, and once I heard of BoB familiars, I followed suit. We talked a lot of trash about it, but I don't think it was our most hated update. Just missed the mark on launch.
How I remember using a Forge regent for firemaking, the bull ant and spirit terrorbird for running energy restoring
Run restore was the shit
What about how game breaking dungeoneering was with the ammount of smuggles, 99rc in minutes, all of the PAFTs found with it?
The servers where rolebacked after and no one kept their 99 rc from that
what about lms smuggling that happens now
Despite how broken it was, I still love dungeoneering.
when summoning was released i basically stopped playing for years
You and me both lol
@@rasengan580 when i came back it was r3 and i played for months before realising osrs was a thing .... talk about xp waste :( lmao
Another banger. I liked summoning personally and had a lot of fun, but I don't think it belongs in OSRS. The new necromancy spellbook could be promising
I liked summoning as well. I didn’t understand or like it at first but as I learned the skill I learned to love it especially the yak!
was my favorite skill but i also suck at runescape back in a day haha
I was 5 or 6 when this came out, I still remember my brother and cousin talking shit about summoning...
R u even old enough to play?
@@fzang6416 meaning when summoning came out, I played and farmed cows until rune
You must of been 6 on 20010
You not a 90s osrs user
@@TRPL6 i was six, 13 years ago, 19 now...
@@TheRealDaniiBoy45 making me feel old DX I am old Arghhh
Tower of Life was just a test subject.. how ironic!
I lost my viginity the day summoning come out, no joke. LoL
😂😂😂😂😂 fuckin legendary bro
When I saw this video made me laugh brought back memories.
@@alfiebarrett2485 how is your uncle doing nowadays?
@@Chillifish57 hahahahahahahaha
Wow what xp waste!
I miss summoning and do wish it was released more balanced for osrs :( it's extremely powerful yes, but if you pulled a few choice summons and rebalanced a few others I think it would mesh decently, especially if you did something along the lines of limiting where it could be used (easily explainable, a place enchanted to bar such could be easily explained) so it couldn't be abused to make certain top tier challenges too easy, especially with groups, or perhaps limiting what you can summon depending on where you are. Good ideas, dumb ideas, I dunno, just was a summoning fan xD
This feels a bit like a part one, with a part two kinda available? Dunno
My first wave of membership was that summer because they started carrying physical cards at big box stores in the US. Played a lot of F2P starting when I was 11 but kept being stupid and losing money to phishing. Before you needed a credit/debit card and I wasn't quite working age so being able to go to Walmart and pay $20 for a 3 month membership was dope, especially when the RS HD came out that year. Got back into RS because of some high school friends that I had somehow indirectly convinced to play during middle school (as I wouldn't shut up about it during 2004-2005). Played heavily from that summer up to June when I alched a yellow (video still on my channel from way back). Summoning by the time I got around to training and utilizing it was great. I just remember being excited as hell after I got to unlock tortoises for those inventory slots. In fact, me and a buddy of mine went to Graardor with those tortoises and managed to get tassets on a 4th kill as a duo. We weren't even geared up that great, like Barrows whip dfs, but we were able to do it because of the huge supply inventory. I can only imagine what true high level players felt like camping those GWD bosses and getting Hilts when they were mad expensive (~70m for an arma hilt during that time, which was basically like getting a p-hat). It wasn't until later on after I had quit and came back when DG was around and got 96 summoning during EffigyScape era that I recognized how broken Yaks were for myself. It's fun reminiscing every now and then about these old updates and seeing how younger people who might not have experienced it view it in retrospective.
Summoning was my first 99, i just loved the idea of having pets, tames, familiars, etc, and the druidic/guthixian theme of the skill was very much a vibe for me. Years later, in rs3, with additions like ancient summoning, and a few new things here and there like the holy scarab, it's really come along nicely over time.
Oh, thank god it wasn't "construction was broken lol! video # 562". I was worried when I saw the poll.
I actually had no idea that Summoning was so busted. The only thing I remember back in the day playing it on launch is that it was stupidly expensive (shards being locked at 25gp each) and I wanted to spend my money elsewhere.
Honestly, my only memory of summoning was shortly after completing the quest I died in like the Chaos Altar shortcut or path to Dorgesh Kaan mine... With all 300? of the things you got to start with.
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I really hope to see summoning popping up in future!
That's pretty funny considering the osrs version of summoning (arceuus spellbook rework) will have familiars with 100% accuracy.
99 summoning was a fun flex for me, more so because i had all four baby dragons.
I wanted those so bad haha!
@@ColonelloRS them and the god-raptors. Literally poggers brother C.
Miss you :(
Wow wow wow.. You telling me.. Summoning was released 13 years ago?! It certainly does not feel like that!
Can you cover what's going on with the RS3 servers and the several of thousands of accounts that have been lost due to a neglect of an old faulty server? Also what's weird related to this new huge problem is that the rollback happened March 4th, 14:15 GMT, there was a bug on world 54 where stakes were being duped and losers of stakes would retain the money "lost" in the duel, meaning several phats/discontinued items could have entered the game recently. Especially once the bug abusers found out how to work it.
I was about 8 years old when eoc came out and after that nothing was game changing enough to make me keep playing and I quit until mobile was realised the player count was greatly affected in this time frame of eoc and adding summoning
It’s so easy to level once you have charms. Still I never use summons because I hate micromanaging things. But it’s alright now
Summoning becomes really useful at level 96.
The turtle, punyip thingy and unicorn were also useful (not sure if pony is 96, thought that was packyack)
Sadly never got there on RS2, but I always wanted to haha
@@ixyzyxi I was joking that pack yaks were the only reason. A little tongue and cheek, but overall, I'd only say there were maybe 5 familiars that were truly exceptional
The ability to store scrolls in your familiars and set them to use their special attack makes combat familiars alot more usefull than how it was on release. In rs3 bossers are using their best dps familiar instead of a bob nowadays.
@@Sousabird tongue in cheek
Huh, I'm interested in seeing Mod Bennett's vision for summoning. Any idea if some snippets of his design document are uploaded anywhere online or is it forever hidden away in a random vault at Jagex HQ?
As far as I could find the document itself was never public. Jagex did release 4 development blogs leading up to Summoning's release which is where a lot of this info is from. It talks a bit about the document, but unfortunately not much.
I get so damn excited when I see you post a new video.
So happy to hear that!
7:55 Broh, what is this 7 person strawpoll supposed to show?
That was a mistake, meant to include one with a few hundred responses.
Man you do good with these videos =] this rlly takes me back
how many times do we have to look at that clip of the dude showing the lady the wall of transformers wall
Having played since 2003, I remember the general reaction to summoning was quickly a lot of people happy there was a new skill, but then it was.quickly replaced by confusion because jagex had unwittingly made a skill that required guides basically since it was so convoluted at launch. This was before anyone realized it was broke. Just no one really understood it. I remember the first 99 being maybe a month? Maybe a week? After the launch.
I remember glitches with terror birds / screeching
B✉sterds - where if you don't use a teleport tablet
They can home in and stop you from casting a teleport spell,stop you from making all of anything,bring back boneless corpses from pitfall traps
If you have ever lost gear that took you 6-8 months to a screeching b✉sterd you would want to kick it right in the c✉nt every time it homes in and screeches
When summoning first came out I seriously had no clue how it worked, took about a month for me to figure it out. If they put summoning into osrs then all osrs is missing is EOC to become RS3. If that happens I'll stop jumping between the two games and stick with RS3.
Ya i like summoning in osrs (had a summoning tank) but everyone i know says they will quit if summoning comes back
At release, I can remember being excited but the rewards for training it were just blah. Exactly what you said, too expensive for very little return. Just felt like construction all over again.
So here’s the crazy part, I remember this update very well, because I was barely hanging onto the game at the time. I was hoping summoning would be a great interesting skill that would revitalize my love for the game. It came out and I quit like the next week. Sad times. I did come back a few months later but it just didn’t feel special anymore.
Late to the party but I had the opposite experience. I had just quit the game, cancelled my membership that my parents paid for, and gave the account to my friend at the time. 2 weeks later summoning's release date was announced, I asked for the account back and rejoined. It was magic to me and summoning remained my favorite skill of all time, even though when it was released I was too young and dumb to gather charms effectively so I never fully experienced it until I discovered bonfires.
That said I hated it post-EOC, mostly since it killed my sumtank's combat level. 😋
@@noaburr yeah eoc killed whatever interest I had left in the game at the time. I still can’t believe Jagex thought that as a good idea
Lemme guess youre like 45 years old now?
@@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx9656 lol I'm not even 30 😭
i remember wanting a pak yak so bad for Bandos, but after calculating the amount of waterfiends I was gonna have to kill for 96 summ, lets just say i became an "on and off" type of player. Then Dungeoneering/Charming imp came out and auto collected charms for you:)
I still want my goddamn creeping hand pet back. That thing was the shit
Great video overall, I always enjoy your behind-the-scenes style storytelling and accompanying video-editing.
However, it was probably not wise to use a poll of 7 people to determine that the skill was un-liked. I'm assuming you were among that 29 percent of dis-gruntled players because the tone of your voice implies that 71 percent approval is un-impressive for a major game update. Just something to watch out for going forward, if you aim to carve an identity as an unbiased source of information.
I'd love to see a history of every skill from you.
I loved summoning when it came out. Still remember the Home Screen and the new main music for summoning. Was great stuff. Plus the best quest ever made was right around the corner from that.
@6:50 Colonello definitely didn't play back when summoning was released if he thinks they weren't useful or rewarding. You had beast of burden pets which would give you up to 2x inventory [pack yaks] and pets that healed you so you can camp GWD for almost twice the time or 1 trip slayer tasks [bunyip,unicorn]. Every smart player wanted summoning on release
To this day it is my favorite RS skill I wasn't a member when it was released though so I'm basing that on my 2010 comeback.
All I ever remember it being useful for was PVM for holding supplies and maybe a few other niche activities. Definitely made GWD and corp more accessible, sort of. Easier for small groups but they also reqd you to have 70+ summoning now, for a 5 man arma group lol.
@@CaptSkipppy oh, true. Haha it's been a while.
Imagine if there was a version of Runescape where they put all the unused content into it
Actually, slayer was more broken on release than this, it came out before dragon boots, a real design flaw that made it impossible to train.
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No, the current game isn't Petscape like how Mod Mark implied Animal Lore to be Petscape. Pets in osrs are cosmetic and serve no purpose. Pets in Animal Lore would've been literal pokemon like how you said.
Cats aren't just cosmetic!
Summoning was just rushed. If necromancy magic were a thing, I would love it. No BoB feature, they simply draw aggro to themselves and fight until they die, 30 seconds after which you can reanimate another dead creature to fight for you.
I always wanted to use blood magic and necromancy to roleplay a dark mage in Runescape.
That does sound really cool! I wonder if that's something that OSRS players would be okay with :)
I remember camping waterfiends for crimsona and green charms so i could make pouches all the way to 96 summmoning for the pack yak Good days!
That straw poll doesn’t lie. Me and my 6 friends wanna summon some shit!
Jagex Mods: "There's just no way we can make this game any worse."
Mod Mark: "Hold my hero sub."
I had 90+ all skills in 2006 and 126 combat, and 99 runecrafting... When summoning came out, I tried to keep playing but it just seemed like something annoying extra I had to do. Even the beasts of burden wouldn't have paid off for like 10,000 hours of runecrafting because of the massive time needed to get 99 summoning.
I remember the day this launched! Was so exciting to mess with a new skill, though I had no real idea what I was really doing.
I feel that LOL, It took me hours to figure out Wolf Whistle for some reason.
I would love to have summoning in OSRS
1:59 - Transformers Prime models???
Yes, Jagex worked on Transformers Online.
When it came out everyone was also really mad about how hard the token things to make the summons were to get. I remember a few things were ridiculous money makers.
Why private servers weren’t mentioned. They had summoning ages ago
could u report the current problem in rs3? with the login issue, once is solved .) ty
I don't hate the idea of summoning coming to OSRS, I hate the fact that 75% of the player base plays multiple accounts that are like pack yaks with access to spell books at certain bosses like Bandos etc. If you give summoning it would be out of hand even more, 2 accounts would be like having 4 accounts devaluing content.
Wait so if a lead mod doesn’t have the authority to delay an update who’s the top dog that gives the orders?
I remember running home from school crazy excited and praying for the new skill to be f2p. 13 years later, I got my skillcape!
All of these years and no one yet so far have asked - Who's idea was it to launch the update of Climbing boots going from 500gp ea to 35k ea ruining the entire economy and making players billionaires over night?
This is why I put off getting 99 summoning until over a decade after it was released. Absolutely killed the skill for me
I uh, always though summoning the way it was implemented flat was boring asf. There are definitely useful summons but uh, the whole "summoning demons and skeletons" at 1:40 sounds more like it. Allow it so you summon either one powerful or a few lesser creatures to help you fight, especially known creatures like demons or the undead. Such that you can actually feel like a necromancer or some such. The elemental and animals we got always seemed a bit lame to me, even though they did help you fight. The way it was implemented always felt lame to me.
I loved summoning, it was probably my favorite skill back in 2009
Besides mining
I don't want new skills in OS, especially one that changes the whole dynamic of it like Summoning. The major reason we brought back OS was because of too many drastic changes to RS2/RS3.
exacrtly
OSRS will die eventually without a new skill. Summoning should be nerfed. BoB should have their inv space halved. Titans should be nerfed to half strength, and summoning level should not affect your combat level.
@@frayedaccl2145 There's never been any indication that OS will die without a new skill. In fact, all 3 times that a new skill failed the poll, the player population only increased within the next year. OSRS has recently been seeing its greatest success. In the most recent financial report, OSRS made the majority of Jagex's revenue for the first time ever (£65M OSRS, £43M RS3). If 23 skills don't provide enough content, then a 24th certainly won't be enough, either.
Personally I think they should re-poll sailing :P But I agree that it could be too drastic unless done perfectly.
fuck new skills, new challenges are always the way go to
You need to watch Skychi (A old rs video maker back in 2007) He reviewed summoning when it was released and he said it was pretty bland as nothing paid off unless you were level 80+ sum.
Summoning dropped a few mo the before I initially quit the game due to drowning in the WoW sauce, I think my initial dive into the skill was before it was patched because I vaguely remember it falling flat in my mind. Just did not care for it.
Getting back into Runescape now on the OSRS side, one of the first things I looked at was the skill tree because I wanted to see how many of the skills made the time capsule, and I felt so much relief on seeing that Summoning wasn’t present.
Is that George Sampson @ 7:32 ? The Britain’s got talent winner years ago 🤣
I have been seeing a lot of 3 combat agility bots at the Ardy course. it feels like free to play seeing several bots in each non total level world :/
That the one they bought back??
tbh i liked summoning and would like to see it in oldscool runescape, but more like a minigame where u have 1 island where u can summon things
I still hat summoning in RS3 because of when it was first released. I remember it being expensive and basically useless
Mod ash is such a legend considering he is the child of john lennon and yoko ono hes done well
Ive been playing rs since 2002. I stopped playing after 2007 because the game wasnt the same anymore. My buddy called whom i played with since 2002 and we always kept in touch from meeting on rs. He let me know that old runescape was coming out. So i came back and i told him in 2013 that the players that started and played after 2008-2013 would be the demise of osrs because of the polling. They out number the real old school players on the polls so the game will eventually over time suffer the same fate as original rs2.
Wonder what made mod bennett make slayer a 400hr skill
I really liked this skill, helped a lot on skilling and pvming
With the sheer amount of dumb stuff Mod Ash must've seen at Jagex over the years, it's honestly a miracle he never just up and walked.
Thats cus he’s been paid duh he is just an employee not the messiah
I can’t wait for the sailing skill
"It's hard to gauge what player response was back then simply because this update is 13 years old."
First, ouch.
Second, it was pretty divisive. Training it was pretty convoluted, or rather the entire skill was convoluted. It also intruded on every other aspect of the game, but not really because combat summoning was underwhelming and skilling summoning wasn't worth it with the time limit. So for the last few months I played RS2, summoning was pretty much only used for pack mule.
I liked summoning but only did around 2008/2009 so i also dindt use it when iy was a broken skill but i like it whay became of it
Havnt even played rs today just been binging these videos lol. Keep em coming
Glad you like them! :D
I’m not gonna lie bro I miss Summoning a lot. I think if I could import one skill from RS3, it would be Summoning. I loved the convenience factor of storing items, passive healing, etc. and also the companion nature of summoning powerful animals or monsters to assist you in combat or skilling. Thralls have us summon ghosts and stuff to help us but it’s still not quite the same.
Summoning was ok back then. But I feel like if they bring summoning in osrs then the game would slowly turn into rs3 again from the way people are voting some of the stuff to come in. It’s better if they keep the game old but add new monsters and islands and if they want to add new skills keep the newer ones separated from the Rs3 skills.
Odds are always 50/50
lmfao is that George Sampson at 4:09?
What is that kid off Waterloo Road doing at Jagex?
he plays rs so im guessing they invited him for a tour
I personally used combat familiars over beast of burden/unicorns whenever I could just to see how they held up.
In multicombat zones having enchanted headgear filled with scrolls would make the combat familiar spam its special attack, giving you mad xp rates when stacked with the combat skill you were training, nothing game breaking, but pleasant nonetheless.
Was it better than BoB/Unicorn? Yes in areas you don't need to heal, againts bosses? No, but I'm not a scrub that needs an overpowered crutch.
Remove BoBs/Unicorn and its fine, the general community thought CB familiars outside of the steel titan were useless, but they weren't in reality, they're supplementary to the player, and hilarious fun in multi combat.
Also the Pheonix ash blast decimated Dragon claws accuracy, forcing 0s on specs.
13 years ago... man I’m old
I feel that LOL
remember nuking people in pvp worlds with the giant chinchompa due to its spec going off every time you clicked it, including spam clicks. or bugging nomad on release with the spirit kyatt
This channel deserves way more subs