Helmets that could stop centerfire rifle rounds are too heavy to wear in practice for more than a few minutes. They could probably make Pistol Caliber proof helmets lighter but for centerfire rifle?!
@@rkba4923 They offered a ballistic “militia” helmet for preorder last year. I ordered mine about 6 months ago and AR500 isn’t saying where they are. A few months ago they sent an email saying they were coming, and then nothing. I just want to know where my helmet is or when they expect to have them.
You guys aren’t even listening past the edge explanation. Linda! Listen to me! He explains how the steel plates that they use offer a true edge to edge protection. This may not be the case with other steel and not with the ceramic plates, not to mention soft armor. 🤷
You forgot to mention the weight difference. Back in my prime 18-26, while I was in the military I could run and gun with 10lb plates (30lbs total in plates front, back and side). Now that I work in a office 9-5, with no gym membership, I cannot run and gun with 10lb plates. Weight is a huge factor IMO.
That could be a decent workout for you if you were to get the same thing, and regularly go hiking in it. Eventually, you'll be able to run, and move quickly through rough terrain. Just get some good boots. I got a pair of surplus IDF boots from McGuire Army Navy that are superb the other day. They're made in the U.S. by McRae, and have the best Vibram soles I've ever had on a pair of boots. Only cost $85.
just bought your level III+ armor recently. you guys are the most trusted company in armor as far as I'm concerned. thank you guys for everything you do and make
Your math is off just a bit...10x12 wouldn't go to 8x10...have to remember that's 2" all the way around which means top bottom and both sides...if you take 2" off each edge it shrinks your capable area to 6x8 because you have to take a total of 4" off ...so 10" with 2" off each side comes 6" not 8" and the 12" length with 2" off both top and bottom comes down to just 8".
Moreover, even NIJ 06 specs are about 3 inch, NOT 2 for rifle rounds. 2” only for pistol and ONLY for NIJ 06. Basically, we are talking about 20 % of whole plate area to be protective, while steel has almost 90 % protection area covered. So, talking about weight to performance ratio, ceramic and PE panels are MUCH MUCH worse than steel with some fragment catching coating. Say 5,5 pounds of weight for 20 % area protected vs 6,5 pound of steel for 90 % covered.
I've watched a few of MrGunsnGear armour tests where he's hit less then an inch from the edge and even the budget plates have still stopped the rounds rated for the plate so while this may apply to some it's likely not the majority of plates.
Great video. I was not a fan of steel before and just thought "why bother" with the cheaper level IV out there, but now not so sure. You have inspired me to do more research before I buy an el cheap level IV. I would love to see more videos that go more in depth on the NIJ .06 vs .07 standard and detailed videos that focus on each type of armor plate category. Keep it up.
if you have a 10x12 plate and subtract 2 inches from each side , you don't end up with 8x10 you end up with 6x8. Gotta remember 2 inches from EACH side.
Thanks for sharing those insights. I wasnt tracking that rating cheat method for various platforms. Thanks for what you do and all you do. All the best.
I am very happy with my plate carrier and plates from AR500, I got the lvl3 veritas combo at a great price and I appreciate the work you folks continue to do.
There's a serious downside to edge shots on AR500 steel that is reduced on other material plates and that is lead splatter. UHDPE plates do very well on edge shots in spite of delamination and hybrid plates do even better than straight AR500 steel with coating.
Also be aware of manufacturers who tend to leave numbers out of their testing in regards to velocity of the ammo being tested. I cringe when manufacturers/resellers apply blanket statements like "stops all .223/5.56 threats" or "all 5.7x28mm threats" and when asking them what they tested, they list off some low powered plinking ammo :\
@@chrisgraves6677 As a strategist, I doubt civilians wearing body armor will be fighting against wielders of ARs... more likely to be facing government authorized 20" barrels.
That's why we get AR500 and AR600 level III (+) plates for our carriers. Next step is Kevlar Level 3A vests. When is someone going to break the mold with ceramic segmented armor over kevlar that doesn't weigh a ton. Much love from Arizona! Thank you!
I used to build and test level 4 ceramic composite plates for our company. Much of our testing was done with military 30-06 armor peircing. We tested with other materials as well. shooting into steel was very dangerous , as the penetrating core woul fly all over the range. I built a 2 inch thick plywood box to contain the sample. Many penetrators went out the side of box. Also smacked in the face with peeled off jacket a few times,flies straight back the trajectory. Finally put a laser on the rifle to aim and triggered it remotely. Just not safe with peices of penetrater flying all over the range. The composites were less deadly to bystanders.
Good point. It's like putting a steel target on your body. Those frags have to go somewhere, and on a steel target it's radially all around at 90 degree angle, perpendicular to the line of shot. Go to 6:29 in this Jerry Miculek video th-cam.com/video/HOx2Zhp3IGI/w-d-xo.html
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Just as UHMWPE Lvl III struggles with M855 but seems to handle M193 okay, Steel Lvl III armor has the opposite problem and generally struggles with M193 while handling M855 (hence the need for III+ designation to indicate it handles both threats). Since both of these are commonly available rounds, IMO the III designation should be considered obsolete and the III+ used as baseline to prevent confusion, I can't imagine there ever being a reason to opt for just the level III. Would like to see a spall test with base coat only on a multi-curve plate because some are looking for a concealable setup and the thinner the better for use under light jacket or hoodie. Have you considered experimenting with perforated steel embedded within the outer layers of UHMWPE? This is technology used in some armored vehicles (CVR(T) uparmor package and Leopard 2) to add protection while dramatically reducing weight. The holes are sized and spaced such that a round cannot pass through without hitting an edge and experiencing high asymmetric forces that disrupts its path. After it starts to keyhole within the armor, even UHMWPE should be able to handle something like m855 traveling more sideways than forward, and the material also serves to support the steel, keep it in place, help hold it together, and catch any spalling or fragments. In essence, a build up coat that is armor itself. Lighter than steel, thinner than UHMWPE, cheaper than ceramic. www.rankarmor.com/assets/images/Bullet.gif i.imgur.com/DdOL6o2.png www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261306914004798
I really appreciate this information. I was actually looking at the lightweight version but was completely unaware of the green tip vulnerability. Thanks.👍👍😁🇺🇸
The big benefit for level 4 is the protection against magnum hunting calibers. Many people, especially here in the south own magnum hunting rounds. It's nice to have a plate that will stop a well placed magnum round from a potentially concealed sharpshooter.
That's good to know. At present time, you're probably more likely to be shot by a novice dumbass deer hunter while you are walking to or from your stand than you are to be shot by anyone else. However, the chances of being shot by that "anyone else" seems to be increasing over time.
Shelf life considerations. Please provide more content addressing these factors: heat, humidity, and interaction with the storage environment (e.g. on board vehicles, direct sunlight, etc.). Thank you.
I haven’t ordered the blunt force trauma pads yet. I’ll probably make my own to save some money. I do have the Testudio Gen II carrier with Level III+ Lightweight steel 10 x 12 plates with the build up anti-spall coating. I will be ordering some 6x8” side plates as well. Have some Mag pouches on the front for pistol and rifle mags; and, a first aid kit hanging off the back. Really happy with the setup so far. Looking forward to some practical use training with it to optimize length of pull and sling arrangements with what I have to make sure my Mag pouch placement doesn’t interfere with ready and fire positions of my AR-15. As with anything, practice, train, and get comfortable with your setup until it’s 2nd nature. Now, if I could only find a drop leg holster setup for my FN FNX-45 Tactical with Surefire light and a Trijicon RMR. That has proven to be a bitch to find a solution. I have other pistols; but, I’d really like to find a setup for my FN. If not, there’s always my Sig P220 .45 ACP or H&K VP9LE for a full size carry pistol.
@@warmothgmc / So you spent all this money on everything else & now you're willing to take a chance with your LIFE on making your own trauma pads? Really. I'd buy the trauma pads that's just me. I have pretty much everything you have for my plate carrier. Have you seen any back face deformation videos? If you haven't i think you might change your mine. Just Saying.
Arthur D Soto in the end, I did end up ordering some blunt force trauma pads, in addition to some 6x6 side plates. Also ordered a trauma / first aid kit. I already had one; but, it’s too damned large and bulky for my plate carrier. The bigger one will go with my bug out rig.
Just got my plates and carrier two days ago. Worth the wait! Sure, I grew a little impatient and I'm slightly ashamed of myself. I've examined every square inch of my vest and the quality is mind blowing! You guys left no stone unturned. I've worn it around the house for a couple hours and yes, it's heavy. It's hard to explain but the weight is so well distributed that it just feels like I've gained 35 pounds. Zero "hot spots" and amazingly comfortable. If you're on the fence, buy it!
I live in Phoenix. I've purchased the sentry package when it first came put. Also have a warrior dcs carrier with level lll paxcon build ups and trauma pads, also have the veritas with level lll + plates and trauma pads. All carriers have hsgi pouches n med kits.....
That's what I was thinking too. If you take 2" from the left edge and 2" from the right edge, it's a 4" total reduction from the width. That's a bit spooky.
I can say from my experience with AR500 they owner really cares . I wrote in and I could tell he read what I wrote or had one of his team members read it and brief him. Because the next video he did he mentioned/ touched on the subject. And the complain replied to what I wrote. I was pleased and at the same time shocked. I BELIEVE IN HIS PRODUCTS! After being hit waring his armor I have the confidence that it works. And I know what to expect. I ware only his level three plus steal along with the side armor with trauma pads. I have only one question.. and that is why isn't it made longer. Like down to the top of the groin area. Like two or three inches longer?? I would much rather have that area protected along with the rest.. I wish they made it like that.
Great explanation and I agree. When I hear some of these guys stress on their videos that they only carry ceramic and bash on steel, it makes me laugh while shaking my head. It shows they are not educated. There are not many gun battles using 30.06, especially in the civilian world.
Great video Tyler! I do think you should touch on the whole 20inch AR at less than 25yds defeating lvl3 plates given the current buzz around steel as of late. People should understand the context and tradeoffs of using ANY armor.
yeah lvl 3 will stop quite a few 556 rounds, but out of a longer barrel or m855a1 and its going straight through. who cares tho? its the responsibility of the buyer to get what they need. all the info is out there on what each plates limits are.
@@mikeslama4926 its bad because bullets go through plates that arent designed to stop those bullets? do you need warning labels on everything else you buy too?
What AR500 isn't telling you is that if you tell your friends you're wearing steel armor they will make sure they stand far away from you so that they don't get hit with your spall.
@@austinherisch9122 so you’re saying after spending $500 on a carrier and armor you should go out and spend another $600 to get 4 Kevlar plates to try to force into the sleeve only to find out it doesn’t fit and you need to up size the carrier. So now you have to spend another $100 to do that. So after $1200 you have a 38 pound carrier without ammo. Nope that’s insane. Just get some hesco with Kevlar backers you’ll be good at 17 pounds without ammo.
@@austinherisch9122 so 34 pound empty then... and it still fragments out the bullet hole in the Kevlar and after 3 shots in one area it’s almost like it wasn’t covered on Kevlar. It also doesn’t fit most carriers.
I took a twelve gage shotgun round twelve feet away . It was one inch away from the edge.. one inch from the center of the impact on the plate and the level three took it but it! It did deform . At the same nite I'm still alive and it did hurt I did go to the hospital and I was bruised pretty bad. But in the same note.. it was extremely close it was a slug.. and it was a three plus. A 12 gage slug has alot of energy at that distance. I am amazed at how good it worked and how much it deformed.. having a trama pad is what kept the damage to a minimum!! I know steal is heaven.. but SOOOO WORTH YOUR LIFE! BELIEVE ME! AND I'm sure you all have heard the saying.. " it's better to have it. Then not" right!?! You never know what is being pointed at you until that moment you get hit.. I was hit through a window that was barely open. It was a lower edge shot..
Great video and superb explanation/transparency. Just bought a full kit Level III+ Curved/Build-up coat + the Testudo Lite carrier. Can't wait to get it, but hope I never need it 😁.
Maybe my math skills aren't what they once were but it seems to me that a 10x12" plate with a 2" perimeter weakness woukd equal a 6x8" if you subtract 2" from each end of the overall measurements not 8x10" ehuch is pushing 50% less actual coverage than advertised...
Good non biased info , im a gunsmith and i am just now getting into the defensive end of things out of curiosity, ive got lvl IIIa soft armor but have pockets for plates in my carrier so I'm trying to figure out the best route , so far I think ceramic composites will be my best option for the added rifle protection without the weight pinning my scrawny ass to the deck , plus I dont plan on being shot 340 times like some company's advertise , if it offers a mulligan from a rifle burst , shotgun blast or a few pistol rounds i think that would be enough. Now about this helmet you speak of
Great video Tyler! I liked your point about assessing the type of threat you are shopping for. I don't run level IV for home defense, but I have a level IV rig for more serious situations. I am also a fan of steel body armor and you guys have plenty of options in that category. Great products brother!
Sorry mate, a 10" x 12" plate with a 2" non-protective border around its perimeter does not equate to 8" x 10" of actual ballistic protection; the correct answer should have been 6" x 8" because there is a 2" non-protective border on both sides as well as at the top and bottom, which actually equals to a non-protective border 4 inches (2" + 2") width-wise and 4 inches (2" + 2") height-wise , hence the correct answer for the total ballistic protection area for a 10" x 12" plate is 6" x 8".
Hello ! Being a cherry in this subject i understand the one on the far left is that the want that folds and super light! The ceramic is the 1 that you get hit once you must throw away. And steel can take varius rounds without changing the plate ? The light one is awesome buy why would i buy it it if dont stop green tip ammo
Wow, hugely informative...much appreciated. And no, “I” personally haven’t been aware of all this info (and yeah that’s on me I suppose..should’ve done MORE research)
what my issue is all these plates and armor just barely cover your vitals and are relatively small and massively high in price , i can make much better ballistic armor that cover more of the mid body and offers better protection for much cheaper
I mean, I know y'all got to move items but... These are items ment to save lives. Is there a way to make the steel plate last even longer? No I have no exp shooting, shooting steel targets, or from taking hits well in armor. I ask this because, armor isnt really something you need to replace alot and if it fails, ya cant really buy more yaknow. Thank yoy for this video, it helped me understand abit more.
Umm... Any material that gets hit with a projectile going in excess of 2x the speed of sound is going to lose its effectiveness. These types of armor are currently the most advanced products available. The simple fact is that making armor that is better is an ongoing process as material sciences improve. "Moving items" is not the priority with any reputable vendor.
Can you do a video showing the difference in base coat vs. build up in spall mitigation on a level III+ plate with m855 and m193 (I know that’s a lot)? Every time I’ve seen a balloon test, it has been with build up coat. If you do this, can you keep shooting until balloons pop (point of failure)? I’m interested in defeating common rifle rounds and walking away without shrapnel in my neck, arms, or legs. I also want to shed ounces where I can. If I can go with a base coat instead of build up to save some weight, I will. Is this something you could do?
Actually, if manufacturers dont have to maintain ballistic protection 2" from the edges, it makes a 10 by 12 effectively a 6 by 8. Two inches eliminated from the top and bottom, left and right....that's four inches lost on both
Tyler I have a question. In terms of the edge eslusion zone. It is two inches from the edge. Because that would render a 10x12 plate to only 6x8" of protection. Or is the exclusion zone one inch from the edge on both sides? Please elaborate. Thanx
Mr gunsngear did lvl 4 ceramic test and it took WAYYYYY more than it was intended to. Hit zones all over the armor and held, unti he went overkill on it
This is highly informative, not sure exactly what brand of armor, but I believe a polyethylene armor was just recently issued to some federal police officers, replacing their ceramic composite type...and these fellas and ladies patrol near the border..I think I would self upgrade, but also taking the threat level and exposure to high temps being factors, it may not be bad...better than not at all.
My son's a marine and he said it's true that a lot of their stuff is expired so I purchased us some level for plates from you guys. They're kind of happy but I feel pretty secure knowing I have it just in case. Wouldn't buy another brand
Great video, loved the detail breakdowns and explanations. I've been looking into a shtf set of plates and of course all my buddies say "get ceramics lv4 is the best". I'm a big guy and let's be honest, I'm not going anywhere fast regardless of what I'm wearing or not. Yalls upgraded steel plates aren't much heavier than the lvl 4 ceramics and ya got the bigger 11x14 for those of us with more height and chest than the average joe. Plus there is the 20 yr shelf life vs 5 years.. this is a shit hit the fan buy, I think steel plates are the way to go.
We aim to inform due to the level of misinformation out there. Your buddies statement are somewhat a response to that misinformation. Ceramic is rarely needed for domestic use given its only advantage over steel is its ability to stop a wider range of AP rounds and explosive blast mitigation, both are threats we fortunately do not see in the US. You are also correct on the shelf life as this is something that is almost never considered to those who incorrectly assume ceramic and steel are "almost" the same price. You have to multiply the cost of the ceramic plate X4 per plate (so X8) to get the accurate cost comparison to steel. Not only that, ceramics are susceptible to rough handling while steel is not. Weight is another topic that is often misquoted. Ceramic and steel are in the same weight category, with light weight steel being far less expensive than lightweight ceramic. We agree with your assessment on SHTF preparation as this favors steel 100%. Thank you for the compliment and support, stay in the fight!
Budget or not the Steel plate armor is the best to buy. Level III and III+ preferably!!! I have a set of lvlIII but looking for an inexpensive set of lvlIII+ plates?Already have the carrier.....?
What AR500 Armor isn't telling you: Not a single product they make is NIJ rated. What AR500 Armor isn't telling you: The testing criteria for their armor and the scientific basis for their claims What AR500 Armor isn't telling you: Their spall coating is truck bed liner with no scientific basis for consistency or repeated successful use.
They have plenty of third party ballistic lab reports. They should be more open about posting them on their site. The correct statement is "Not a single product they make (the steel and soft armor) is NIJ Certified. Lots of armor places do that. They throw around "NIJ Certified" and "Tested in Compliance" or "NIJ XX Compliant" :D
@@BuffRANGE Yes, many armor companies say "NIJ compliant" and that's misleading, intentionally so. However, nothing AR500 Armor makes is NIJ certified, despite them attempting to make you think it is or that an independent laboratory testing their armor to conditions requested by AR500 Armor is the same as an NIJ certification. The NIJ certification is not just a test of the armor's ability to stop bullets. It requires a scientifically representative sample size of plates to be exposed to temperature extremes and then shot under scientifically repeatable conditions. There is then inspection of the manufacturing processes of the armor and follow up testing of production plates. Failure of any stage results in immediate recall and potential revocation of NIJ status. All AR500 Armor has to do to say "independently tested to NIJ standards" is have a plate or two sent to a lab to be shot at by calibers listed under the relevant NIJ standard with no temperature extreme testing or follow up inspection or testing.
Alt_Knight I’m in agreement. Just saying it’s better to say the stuff they make (steel and soft) is Not Certified. Originally you said “NIJ rated” which would be a little off since all of their products sold are sold with a specific NIJ rating :)
Good question. Just ordered one but it looks like the build up is not available and the shown armor only has the base coating. Could not see if the fraglock build up can be end user added when available.
I picked up your 3+ steel and after watching negative nancy's about steel in general (not your product) I'm just praying that i put my faith in the right company. I'm literally betting my life. :D
Why don't you use a final layer of steel to prevent back face deformation and help stop M855 on ceramic and polyethylene bonded plates? I know it would be thicker but seems like an "unholy" trinity lol. You could rim the plate edge and first inch of the plate strike face circumference with thinner steel at a steep angle to help with edge shots. The thickness of the edge steel would have to be enough to let an armored penetrator pierce beyond the edge steel and be slowed by the layers of ceramic and poly and finally the back face steel. I know nothing but tanks use a lot of layers and steep angles to stop rounds so that's what I was thinking.
I did a set up of my own and would be interested in seeing would it would take !!! I used your 11x14 3+ steel with 3-a Kevlar behind it and your trauma pad, also used your operator vest !!! It's quite comfortable considering the weight with this set up front and back with side plate's !!! Hope you will show a test with this configuration too see what it would handle ??? Thanks
@@christopherfisher128 When I ordered lead time was 4-6 weeks. A couple weeks later it went to 8-12 weeks. I Got cold feet on my order but showed up in exactly 30 days.
Biggest downsides of steel is possibly spaling if the coating is compromised and the fact that doesn't float (if you need something in a maritime environment). Otherwise, it is an interesting option.
Only reason why spaling is an issue is because people wear just plates and those tiny plate carriers, your meant to wear steel with a full otv vest with soft armor in it
Perhaps testing on a carbon fiber/kevlar layered core? Carbon fiber can take a ton of pressure. Could be a viable alternative to current heavier options. Somebody test that stuff
@@htokid7299 theres no BFD, on the 3+ steel plates, they just shatter like a dinner plate when they fail. so youre either solid, or dead. hopefully wont be the one getting shot when it comes to lol
garrettzkool63 good point brother my bad I’m used to dealing with ceramic haha, but yea you’re absolutely right. Same reason I’m going level 4 ceramic, hope to never have them tested.... stay safe brother
So does y’all’s Level 4 have ceramic plates that run to the edge of the armor or not? I never heard you say what your armor did; rather, you just discussed the allowable size of an “edge” w/o ceramic plates being present.
we haven't cracked the code for edge-to-edge protection on PE or Ceramics yet - no one in the industry has. Hopefully some day, when we do we'll definitely post an update!
@@AR500Armor use reinforced rubber layers, the rubber will store the kinetic energy and force the PE to remain in place limiting the deformation, try it out👍
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The best and most concise explanation of the different types of body armor that I've heard and/or watched. Excellent job!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Totally agree, Thanks for your to the point and fair and balanced information.
The transparency this man and the company represent, was reason enough for me to order multiple sets. Good consumers appreciate the work you do!
You know what AR500 isn’t telling me?
Where my militia helmet is.
Helmets that could stop centerfire rifle rounds are too heavy to wear in practice for more than a few minutes. They could probably make Pistol Caliber proof helmets lighter but for centerfire rifle?!
@@rkba4923 They offered a ballistic “militia” helmet for preorder last year. I ordered mine about 6 months ago and AR500 isn’t saying where they are. A few months ago they sent an email saying they were coming, and then nothing. I just want to know where my helmet is or when they expect to have them.
Y'all expecting any incoming shellfire? Mortars? If not, what is the point of the helmet?
@@collinhennessy3190 ANTIFA Parties ?
@@collinhennessy3190 I bought this helmet because I thought it looked cool. If you knew the man they call Flannel Daddy, you’d already know that.
I love you guys at AR500 Armor. I hope to never use your product but I am glad I have it!
Thanks for supporting us!
??? Is this hate or what i don’t get it
@@zuvk4190 he meant that he hopes he never has to face a threat that require him to wear plates and plate carrier
Yeah. Love it when they have the BOGO free sales on holidays
@TwoBirds OneArrow if they dont spartan armor does
A 10x12 plate with a 2" border would not be equivalent to an 8x10 plate but to a 6x8 center plate.
Correct!
Came here to say that exact same thing!
I just deleted my post when I saw this was already mentioned a bunch of times. But ya, someone failed woodworking class.
Mike McKay simple math
You guys aren’t even listening past the edge explanation. Linda! Listen to me! He explains how the steel plates that they use offer a true edge to edge protection. This may not be the case with other steel and not with the ceramic plates, not to mention soft armor. 🤷
You forgot to mention the weight difference. Back in my prime 18-26, while I was in the military I could run and gun with 10lb plates (30lbs total in plates front, back and side). Now that I work in a office 9-5, with no gym membership, I cannot run and gun with 10lb plates. Weight is a huge factor IMO.
Our level III steel 10" x 12" is about 7.5lb's, 8lb's w/ our build-up, III+ LW Steel is about 6lb's, Level IV is about 8lb's, PE is about 3lb's.
@@AR500Armor /My son has the 6 lb plates they make a huge difference 1/2 total weight
That could be a decent workout for you if you were to get the same thing, and regularly go hiking in it. Eventually, you'll be able to run, and move quickly through rough terrain. Just get some good boots. I got a pair of surplus IDF boots from McGuire Army Navy that are superb the other day. They're made in the U.S. by McRae, and have the best Vibram soles I've ever had on a pair of boots. Only cost $85.
I suggest you get off your ass then and train.
@@wlde9949 I got 3lb hesco plates, not putting steel targets in my plate carrier and calling it Armor
If you have up to 2” on the edge, wouldn’t a 10”x12” by 6”x8” effective due to 2” from top, 2” from bottom, etc...?
JD Tackett holy shit then it’s even worse
Yes that's what I was just thinking. Simple math lol lol
That was my question. If this company can't even do simple math, can you trust their product claims?
@@jakeaurod the $64,000 question.
@@jakeaurod D'oh
just bought your level III+ armor recently. you guys are the most trusted company in armor as far as I'm concerned. thank you guys for everything you do and make
Your math is off just a bit...10x12 wouldn't go to 8x10...have to remember that's 2" all the way around which means top bottom and both sides...if you take 2" off each edge it shrinks your capable area to 6x8 because you have to take a total of 4" off ...so 10" with 2" off each side comes 6" not 8" and the 12" length with 2" off both top and bottom comes down to just 8".
Moreover, even NIJ 06 specs are about 3 inch, NOT 2 for rifle rounds. 2” only for pistol and ONLY for NIJ 06.
Basically, we are talking about 20 % of whole plate area to be protective, while steel has almost 90 % protection area covered. So, talking about weight to performance ratio, ceramic and PE panels are MUCH MUCH worse than steel with some fragment catching coating. Say 5,5 pounds of weight for 20 % area protected vs 6,5 pound of steel for 90 % covered.
Important point
Of all the things I would have never thought I would need in 2021 body armor was one of them I just bought a set for me and my wife.
I've watched a few of MrGunsnGear armour tests where he's hit less then an inch from the edge and even the budget plates have still stopped the rounds rated for the plate so while this may apply to some it's likely not the majority of plates.
Great video. I was not a fan of steel before and just thought "why bother" with the cheaper level IV out there, but now not so sure. You have inspired me to do more research before I buy an el cheap level IV. I would love to see more videos that go more in depth on the NIJ .06 vs .07 standard and detailed videos that focus on each type of armor plate category. Keep it up.
if you have a 10x12 plate and subtract 2 inches from each side , you don't end up with 8x10 you end up with 6x8. Gotta remember 2 inches from EACH side.
1" off each side would make it 8 by 10?
@@fbomb2077 correct.
Hmmm guess I shouldve gotten 12x15 plates.
Thanks for sharing those insights. I wasnt tracking that rating cheat method for various platforms. Thanks for what you do and all you do. All the best.
Ive since acquired some protection from you all. Thanks again!
This is definitely the BEST explanation I’ve ever heard. Thanks so much. It definitely bolstered my already made purchase. Steel.
I am very happy with my plate carrier and plates from AR500, I got the lvl3 veritas combo at a great price and I appreciate the work you folks continue to do.
Thank you for your support!
There's a serious downside to edge shots on AR500 steel that is reduced on other material plates and that is lead splatter. UHDPE plates do very well on edge shots in spite of delamination and hybrid plates do even better than straight AR500 steel with coating.
Also be aware of manufacturers who tend to leave numbers out of their testing in regards to velocity of the ammo being tested. I cringe when manufacturers/resellers apply blanket statements like "stops all .223/5.56 threats" or "all 5.7x28mm threats" and when asking them what they tested, they list off some low powered plinking ammo :\
'Well, it stopped this Tula out of a 10.5" barrel.'
But what about M193 out of a 20"?
_Well, that's just asking to much_
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz As a gunsmith in Texas I can tell you the vast majority of AR's I deal with are 16" or less.
@@chrisgraves6677 As a strategist, I doubt civilians wearing body armor will be fighting against wielders of ARs... more likely to be facing government authorized 20" barrels.
That's why you only buy certified armor.
@@BigTomInTheBasement Except that most units are using the M4 Carbine which is 14.5" in barrel length.
That's why we get AR500 and AR600 level III (+) plates for our carriers. Next step is Kevlar Level 3A vests. When is someone going to break the mold with ceramic segmented armor over kevlar that doesn't weigh a ton. Much love from Arizona! Thank you!
I used to build and test level 4 ceramic composite plates for our company. Much of our testing was done with military 30-06 armor peircing. We tested with other materials as well. shooting into steel was very dangerous , as the penetrating core woul fly all over the range. I built a 2 inch thick plywood box to contain the sample. Many penetrators went out the side of box. Also smacked in the face with peeled off jacket a few times,flies straight back the trajectory. Finally put a laser on the rifle to aim and triggered it remotely. Just not safe with peices of penetrater flying all over the range. The composites were less deadly to bystanders.
Good point. It's like putting a steel target on your body. Those frags have to go somewhere, and on a steel target it's radially all around at 90 degree angle, perpendicular to the line of shot. Go to 6:29 in this Jerry Miculek video th-cam.com/video/HOx2Zhp3IGI/w-d-xo.html
Great information.... waiting on my Testudo to arrive.
Jim Dozier same here. Hopefully not much longer
Got my testudo last week this thing is dope. I’ve been rucking with it and it’s awesome.
8 weeks out on my Testudo as well. Can’t wait to train with it.
You guys are awesome and actually dedicated to saving lives. That's love. I will certainly be getting my plates from you guys. Thank you
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Just as UHMWPE Lvl III struggles with M855 but seems to handle M193 okay, Steel Lvl III armor has the opposite problem and generally struggles with M193 while handling M855 (hence the need for III+ designation to indicate it handles both threats).
Since both of these are commonly available rounds, IMO the III designation should be considered obsolete and the III+ used as baseline to prevent confusion, I can't imagine there ever being a reason to opt for just the level III.
Would like to see a spall test with base coat only on a multi-curve plate because some are looking for a concealable setup and the thinner the better for use under light jacket or hoodie.
Have you considered experimenting with perforated steel embedded within the outer layers of UHMWPE? This is technology used in some armored vehicles (CVR(T) uparmor package and Leopard 2) to add protection while dramatically reducing weight. The holes are sized and spaced such that a round cannot pass through without hitting an edge and experiencing high asymmetric forces that disrupts its path. After it starts to keyhole within the armor, even UHMWPE should be able to handle something like m855 traveling more sideways than forward, and the material also serves to support the steel, keep it in place, help hold it together, and catch any spalling or fragments. In essence, a build up coat that is armor itself. Lighter than steel, thinner than UHMWPE, cheaper than ceramic.
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You could use T Rex tape to make a concealable carrier. Won't be very comfy, and will hurt more if you get hit, but it'll work.
Appreciate the info. Definitely not something listed on other carriers websites.
I live in WV where everyone has a 30-06 hence my want for L4
Shot a half inch ar 500 steal at 200 yards. And the steal held up amazing would probally through you 20 feet lol.
This was extremely informative. Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
I really appreciate this information. I was actually looking at the lightweight version but was completely unaware of the green tip vulnerability. Thanks.👍👍😁🇺🇸
No problem! Thanks for watching!
The big benefit for level 4 is the protection against magnum hunting calibers. Many people, especially here in the south own magnum hunting rounds. It's nice to have a plate that will stop a well placed magnum round from a potentially concealed sharpshooter.
That's good to know. At present time, you're probably more likely to be shot by a novice dumbass deer hunter while you are walking to or from your stand than you are to be shot by anyone else. However, the chances of being shot by that "anyone else" seems to be increasing over time.
Shelf life considerations. Please provide more content addressing these factors: heat, humidity, and interaction with the storage environment (e.g. on board vehicles, direct sunlight, etc.). Thank you.
Great information!! Just placed an order for a III+ with trauma pad combo!!
Hope you got the build up coat Is a must it gives you more protection against spall
I haven’t ordered the blunt force trauma pads yet. I’ll probably make my own to save some money. I do have the Testudio Gen II carrier with Level III+ Lightweight steel 10 x 12 plates with the build up anti-spall coating. I will be ordering some 6x8” side plates as well. Have some Mag pouches on the front for pistol and rifle mags; and, a first aid kit hanging off the back. Really happy with the setup so far. Looking forward to some practical use training with it to optimize length of pull and sling arrangements with what I have to make sure my Mag pouch placement doesn’t interfere with ready and fire positions of my AR-15. As with anything, practice, train, and get comfortable with your setup until it’s 2nd nature. Now, if I could only find a drop leg holster setup for my FN FNX-45 Tactical with Surefire light and a Trijicon RMR. That has proven to be a bitch to find a solution. I have other pistols; but, I’d really like to find a setup for my FN. If not, there’s always my Sig P220 .45 ACP or H&K VP9LE for a full size carry pistol.
@@warmothgmc / So you spent all this money on everything else & now you're willing to take a chance with your LIFE on making your own trauma pads? Really. I'd buy the trauma pads that's just me. I have pretty much everything you have for my plate carrier.
Have you seen any back face deformation videos? If you haven't i think you might change your mine. Just Saying.
Arthur D Soto in the end, I did end up ordering some blunt force trauma pads, in addition to some 6x6 side plates. Also ordered a trauma / first aid kit. I already had one; but, it’s too damned large and bulky for my plate carrier. The bigger one will go with my bug out rig.
@@warmothgmc / My carrier & with pads isn't bulky for me. We just must be built different.
GOD Bless be SAFE Plates Forward HIGH READY :)
Just got my plates and carrier two days ago. Worth the wait! Sure, I grew a little impatient and I'm slightly ashamed of myself. I've examined every square inch of my vest and the quality is mind blowing! You guys left no stone unturned. I've worn it around the house for a couple hours and yes, it's heavy. It's hard to explain but the weight is so well distributed that it just feels like I've gained 35 pounds. Zero "hot spots" and amazingly comfortable. If you're on the fence, buy it!
Thanks for the kind review!
Great clarification greatly appreciated and that's why I went with AR500 III+ steel.
Buying that one also
I live in Phoenix. I've purchased the sentry package when it first came put. Also have a warrior dcs carrier with level lll paxcon build ups and trauma pads, also have the veritas with level lll + plates and trauma pads. All carriers have hsgi pouches n med kits.....
Great information, my body armor arrives tomorrow thanks to you guys
Steel is good but you better be ready to pay the price in weight!
Lv3+ lightweight is 5.5lbs really aint much.
@Barack Obama Calculating correct distance, shot angle, plate set up, gear location. Ill take that chance
Wouldn’t a 10x12 plate be effectively reduced to a 6x8, not 8x10,if the first 2” from all edges are not ballistically rated?
That's what I was thinking too. If you take 2" from the left edge and 2" from the right edge, it's a 4" total reduction from the width. That's a bit spooky.
@@NoLies17 except that literally no one build plates to that standard and all perform much better than that. This is just marketing BS
I can say from my experience with AR500 they owner really cares . I wrote in and I could tell he read what I wrote or had one of his team members read it and brief him. Because the next video he did he mentioned/ touched on the subject. And the complain replied to what I wrote. I was pleased and at the same time shocked.
I BELIEVE IN HIS PRODUCTS! After being hit waring his armor I have the confidence that it works. And I know what to expect. I ware only his level three plus steal along with the side armor with trauma pads. I have only one question.. and that is why isn't it made longer. Like down to the top of the groin area. Like two or three inches longer?? I would much rather have that area protected along with the rest.. I wish they made it like that.
You can get separate groin protection but if the plates went much lower you wouldn’t be able to bend over or anything.
Sounds like a sincere and honest company. I can't believe someone says AR500 is a bogus brand
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Great explanation and I agree. When I hear some of these guys stress on their videos that they only carry ceramic and bash on steel, it makes me laugh while shaking my head. It shows they are not educated. There are not many gun battles using 30.06, especially in the civilian world.
Since the gov uses .30+ caliber arms, we would need Level IV. But, I'm too old to carry that kind of weight around.
I love that he admits to being biased.
Good info, thanks!
You're welcome!
Great video Tyler!
I do think you should touch on the whole 20inch AR at less than 25yds defeating lvl3 plates given the current buzz around steel as of late.
People should understand the context and tradeoffs of using ANY armor.
The only positive thing about that is 'good thing people are obsessed with short barrels.'
They won’t because that would make their armor look bad. Which is the opposite of what this bullshit video is attempting to do.
yeah lvl 3 will stop quite a few 556 rounds, but out of a longer barrel or m855a1 and its going straight through. who cares tho? its the responsibility of the buyer to get what they need. all the info is out there on what each plates limits are.
@@mikeslama4926 its bad because bullets go through plates that arent designed to stop those bullets? do you need warning labels on everything else you buy too?
What AR500 isn't telling you is that if you tell your friends you're wearing steel armor they will make sure they stand far away from you so that they don't get hit with your spall.
Wack put your plate in Kevler carrier it stops spalling after round makes impact with steel and fragmentates the Kevlar will stop the fragments
@@austinherisch9122 so you’re saying after spending $500 on a carrier and armor you should go out and spend another $600 to get 4 Kevlar plates to try to force into the sleeve only to find out it doesn’t fit and you need to up size the carrier. So now you have to spend another $100 to do that. So after $1200 you have a 38 pound carrier without ammo. Nope that’s insane. Just get some hesco with Kevlar backers you’ll be good at 17 pounds without ammo.
@@ShepherdOfTheSilkies plate carrier made of Kevlar with steel plates
@@ShepherdOfTheSilkies not stuffing Kevlar plates into or behind steel plates I'm saying a plate carrier made of Kevlar holding steel plates
@@austinherisch9122 so 34 pound empty then... and it still fragments out the bullet hole in the Kevlar and after 3 shots in one area it’s almost like it wasn’t covered on Kevlar. It also doesn’t fit most carriers.
Didn't know about the edge shot issue. That's good information to know.
Glad you liked it!
if I am not mistaken I can see the edge zone in the left hand plates reflection of light. It looks like there is an oval section in the main area.
Most likely that plate is multicurve.
Good addition info on the edge shots, a lot of videos don’t cover. Thanks
I took a twelve gage shotgun round twelve feet away . It was one inch away from the edge.. one inch from the center of the impact on the plate and the level three took it but it! It did deform . At the same nite I'm still alive and it did hurt I did go to the hospital and I was bruised pretty bad. But in the same note.. it was extremely close it was a slug.. and it was a three plus. A 12 gage slug has alot of energy at that distance. I am amazed at how good it worked and how much it deformed.. having a trama pad is what kept the damage to a minimum!! I know steal is heaven.. but SOOOO WORTH YOUR LIFE! BELIEVE ME!
AND I'm sure you all have heard the saying.. " it's better to have it. Then not" right!?! You never know what is being pointed at you until that moment you get hit.. I was hit through a window that was barely open. It was a lower edge shot..
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Impressive information so many choices. Thank you.
12 inches from the perimeter mean 2 inches from both sides so I 10 x 12 would actually be a 6 x 8 added to the subject for each side
Great video and superb explanation/transparency. Just bought a full kit Level III+ Curved/Build-up coat + the Testudo Lite carrier. Can't wait to get it, but hope I never need it 😁.
VERY nice! Let us know how you like it when it comes in!
Maybe my math skills aren't what they once were but it seems to me that a 10x12" plate with a 2" perimeter weakness woukd equal a 6x8" if you subtract 2" from each end of the overall measurements not 8x10" ehuch is pushing 50% less actual coverage than advertised...
Good non biased info , im a gunsmith and i am just now getting into the defensive end of things out of curiosity, ive got lvl IIIa soft armor but have pockets for plates in my carrier so I'm trying to figure out the best route , so far I think ceramic composites will be my best option for the added rifle protection without the weight pinning my scrawny ass to the deck , plus I dont plan on being shot 340 times like some company's advertise , if it offers a mulligan from a rifle burst , shotgun blast or a few pistol rounds i think that would be enough. Now about this helmet you speak of
Glad we could be of assistance! Welcome to the defensive side, hope we are able to help bolster your loadout!
Great video Tyler! I liked your point about assessing the type of threat you are shopping for. I don't run level IV for home defense, but I have a level IV rig for more serious situations. I am also a fan of steel body armor and you guys have plenty of options in that category. Great products brother!
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can you do M855A1 out of a 16in throw a Chronograph
Sorry mate, a 10" x 12" plate with a 2" non-protective border around its perimeter does not equate to 8" x 10" of actual ballistic protection; the correct answer should have been 6" x 8" because there is a 2" non-protective border on both sides as well as at the top and bottom, which actually equals to a non-protective border 4 inches (2" + 2") width-wise and 4 inches (2" + 2") height-wise , hence the correct answer for the total ballistic protection area for a 10" x 12" plate is 6" x 8".
Hello ! Being a cherry in this subject i understand the one on the far left is that the want that folds and super light! The ceramic is the 1 that you get hit once you must throw away. And steel can take varius rounds without changing the plate ? The light one is awesome buy why would i buy it it if dont stop green tip ammo
This is my favorite comprehensive video on body armor ever seen great share thank you so much! Y'all Rock
Glad you enjoyed it
This is why I buy all my body armor from you guys
Wow, hugely informative...much appreciated. And no, “I” personally haven’t been aware of all this info (and yeah that’s on me I suppose..should’ve done MORE research)
Can't wait for my level 4 plates to come in the mail! Probably unboxing before Christmas.
Tag us in the unboxing video!
what my issue is all these plates and armor just barely cover your vitals and are relatively small and massively high in price , i can make much better ballistic armor that cover more of the mid body and offers better protection for much cheaper
Then by all means, go for it, as long as you are informed and protected, that's our goal 💪 Stay safe out there
🙌Finally someone with common sense, I wear level 3 steel plates but with additional custom cut steel behind them just for this cause
i am leaning towards that Ar500 armor 😎🎯
Edge shot zones....didnt know that. Thanks
I mean, I know y'all got to move items but...
These are items ment to save lives.
Is there a way to make the steel plate last even longer?
No I have no exp shooting, shooting steel targets, or from taking hits well in armor.
I ask this because, armor isnt really something you need to replace alot and if it fails, ya cant really buy more yaknow.
Thank yoy for this video, it helped me understand abit more.
Umm... Any material that gets hit with a projectile going in excess of 2x the speed of sound is going to lose its effectiveness. These types of armor are currently the most advanced products available.
The simple fact is that making armor that is better is an ongoing process as material sciences improve. "Moving items" is not the priority with any reputable vendor.
This is super good info, well explained. Thank you.
Happy to help 👍
Can you do a video showing the difference in base coat vs. build up in spall mitigation on a level III+ plate with m855 and m193 (I know that’s a lot)? Every time I’ve seen a balloon test, it has been with build up coat. If you do this, can you keep shooting until balloons pop (point of failure)? I’m interested in defeating common rifle rounds and walking away without shrapnel in my neck, arms, or legs. I also want to shed ounces where I can. If I can go with a base coat instead of build up to save some weight, I will. Is this something you could do?
Airsoft Speedy I think base coat is just rustproofing.
@@ctrlaltdebug No it's not. It's is very similar to truck bed liner. You are asking for a bad day without the build up layer.
Actually, if manufacturers dont have to maintain ballistic protection 2" from the edges, it makes a 10 by 12 effectively a 6 by 8. Two inches eliminated from the top and bottom, left and right....that's four inches lost on both
Tyler I have a question. In terms of the edge eslusion zone. It is two inches from the edge. Because that would render a 10x12 plate to only 6x8" of protection. Or is the exclusion zone one inch from the edge on both sides? Please elaborate. Thanx
Great honest video.Not trying to up sell.
Mr gunsngear did lvl 4 ceramic test and it took WAYYYYY more than it was intended to. Hit zones all over the armor and held, unti he went overkill on it
Bought those.
@@chrissmith-rv5ro also allot less bullet splash
Important to have during the coronavirus
Since its a scam, yes
Good to know thank you for the video.
Thanks for watching!
When are helmets shipping? I ordered on day one of ore order
This is highly informative, not sure exactly what brand of armor, but I believe a polyethylene armor was just recently issued to some federal police officers, replacing their ceramic composite type...and these fellas and ladies patrol near the border..I think I would self upgrade, but also taking the threat level and exposure to high temps being factors, it may not be bad...better than not at all.
My son's a marine and he said it's true that a lot of their stuff is expired so I purchased us some level for plates from
you guys. They're kind of happy but I feel pretty secure knowing I have it just in case. Wouldn't buy another brand
Awesome! Glad we can provide you with peace of mind!
Thank you sir, great explanation and simplistic.
Hey, do you guys sell a Kevlar anti spall/fragmentation bag for your steel plates? That would be something awesome to use with your build up coat.
Very informative. Thank you.
Great video, loved the detail breakdowns and explanations. I've been looking into a shtf set of plates and of course all my buddies say "get ceramics lv4 is the best". I'm a big guy and let's be honest, I'm not going anywhere fast regardless of what I'm wearing or not. Yalls upgraded steel plates aren't much heavier than the lvl 4 ceramics and ya got the bigger 11x14 for those of us with more height and chest than the average joe. Plus there is the 20 yr shelf life vs 5 years.. this is a shit hit the fan buy, I think steel plates are the way to go.
We aim to inform due to the level of misinformation out there. Your buddies statement are somewhat a response to that misinformation.
Ceramic is rarely needed for domestic use given its only advantage over steel is its ability to stop a wider range of AP rounds and explosive blast mitigation, both are threats we fortunately do not see in the US.
You are also correct on the shelf life as this is something that is almost never considered to those who incorrectly assume ceramic and steel are "almost" the same price. You have to multiply the cost of the ceramic plate X4 per plate (so X8) to get the accurate cost comparison to steel.
Not only that, ceramics are susceptible to rough handling while steel is not. Weight is another topic that is often misquoted. Ceramic and steel are in the same weight category, with light weight steel being far less expensive than lightweight ceramic.
We agree with your assessment on SHTF preparation as this favors steel 100%. Thank you for the compliment and support, stay in the fight!
Budget or not the Steel plate armor is the best to buy. Level III and III+ preferably!!! I have a set of lvlIII but looking for an inexpensive set of lvlIII+ plates?Already have the carrier.....?
What AR500 Armor isn't telling you: Not a single product they make is NIJ rated.
What AR500 Armor isn't telling you: The testing criteria for their armor and the scientific basis for their claims
What AR500 Armor isn't telling you: Their spall coating is truck bed liner with no scientific basis for consistency or repeated successful use.
They have plenty of third party ballistic lab reports. They should be more open about posting them on their site. The correct statement is "Not a single product they make (the steel and soft armor) is NIJ Certified. Lots of armor places do that. They throw around "NIJ Certified" and "Tested in Compliance" or "NIJ XX Compliant" :D
bullet splash is very scary and steel has a real bad problem
@@BuffRANGE Yes, many armor companies say "NIJ compliant" and that's misleading, intentionally so. However, nothing AR500 Armor makes is NIJ certified, despite them attempting to make you think it is or that an independent laboratory testing their armor to conditions requested by AR500 Armor is the same as an NIJ certification.
The NIJ certification is not just a test of the armor's ability to stop bullets. It requires a scientifically representative sample size of plates to be exposed to temperature extremes and then shot under scientifically repeatable conditions. There is then inspection of the manufacturing processes of the armor and follow up testing of production plates. Failure of any stage results in immediate recall and potential revocation of NIJ status.
All AR500 Armor has to do to say "independently tested to NIJ standards" is have a plate or two sent to a lab to be shot at by calibers listed under the relevant NIJ standard with no temperature extreme testing or follow up inspection or testing.
Alt_Knight I’m in agreement. Just saying it’s better to say the stuff they make (steel and soft) is Not Certified. Originally you said “NIJ rated” which would be a little off since all of their products sold are sold with a specific NIJ rating :)
How will level 3+ lightweight do with spall without the built up coat?
Good question. Just ordered one but it looks like the build up is not available and the shown armor only has the base coating. Could not see if the fraglock build up can be end user added when available.
Can't the steel armor be wrapped in Kevlar for bullet splash that would help with the thinness to fit in a carrier or am I wrong
I picked up your 3+ steel and after watching negative nancy's about steel in general (not your product) I'm just praying that i put my faith in the right company. I'm literally betting my life. :D
Get Kevlar backer and put it in front of the plate , or get L210/
Why don't you use a final layer of steel to prevent back face deformation and help stop M855 on ceramic and polyethylene bonded plates? I know it would be thicker but seems like an "unholy" trinity lol. You could rim the plate edge and first inch of the plate strike face circumference with thinner steel at a steep angle to help with edge shots. The thickness of the edge steel would have to be enough to let an armored penetrator pierce beyond the edge steel and be slowed by the layers of ceramic and poly and finally the back face steel. I know nothing but tanks use a lot of layers and steep angles to stop rounds so that's what I was thinking.
That's actually not a bad idea. It's a very interesting and innovative concept. We will pass this on to our R&D team to see what we can do. Thanks!
Excellent information. Thank you.
Thanks for watching, Will!
I did a set up of my own and would be interested in seeing would it would take !!! I used your 11x14 3+ steel with 3-a Kevlar behind it and your trauma pad, also used your operator vest !!! It's quite comfortable considering the weight with this set up front and back with side plate's !!! Hope you will show a test with this configuration too see what it would handle ??? Thanks
Thanks for the feedback!
Excellent video
what Ar500 armor doesn't tell you is your order is 6 months out
Spartan Armor AR500 plates exactly 30 days shipped! No disrespect to these guys.
They do take a while but I was informed of the lead time when I ordered.
@@christopherfisher128 When I ordered lead time was 4-6 weeks. A couple weeks later it went to 8-12 weeks. I Got cold feet on my order but showed up in exactly 30 days.
Biggest downsides of steel is possibly spaling if the coating is compromised and the fact that doesn't float (if you need something in a maritime environment). Otherwise, it is an interesting option.
The biggest downside of steel is that it's near useless as armor.
@@hunterkiller232134 lol, tankers might disagree. It's not useless, but it's definitely not the first choice.
Only reason why spaling is an issue is because people wear just plates and those tiny plate carriers, your meant to wear steel with a full otv vest with soft armor in it
Video was very helpful thank you
Glad you liked it!
Perhaps testing on a carbon fiber/kevlar layered core? Carbon fiber can take a ton of pressure. Could be a viable alternative to current heavier options. Somebody test that stuff
You should check out FRAS vests
Can take all 223, 556, 762
Great Work Guys!!! God Bless and God Speed!!!
55 grain 5.56 out of a 20” rifle has entered the chat.
3+ and 4 will stop it
garrettzkool63 yea but your plates just got vibe checked from hell.... and might not be worth much more from BFD
@@htokid7299 theres no BFD, on the 3+ steel plates, they just shatter like a dinner plate when they fail. so youre either solid, or dead. hopefully wont be the one getting shot when it comes to lol
garrettzkool63 good point brother my bad I’m used to dealing with ceramic haha, but yea you’re absolutely right. Same reason I’m going level 4 ceramic, hope to never have them tested.... stay safe brother
@@htokid7299 hey you too dude. see you out there if it ever gets spicy.
I ordered some body armor from you guys hope it doesn’t take the whole 14-16 weeks !
How long did it take?
So does y’all’s Level 4 have ceramic plates that run to the edge of the armor or not? I never heard you say what your armor did; rather, you just discussed the allowable size of an “edge” w/o ceramic plates being present.
we haven't cracked the code for edge-to-edge protection on PE or Ceramics yet - no one in the industry has. Hopefully some day, when we do we'll definitely post an update!
@@AR500Armor use reinforced rubber layers, the rubber will store the kinetic energy and force the PE to remain in place limiting the deformation, try it out👍
Wow! Thanks for the video! I just got educated real fast, On body armor! Take care!
Glad you enjoyed it
The downside with steel level 3 is that m193 can penetrate it if fired out of a long enough barrel and at closer range.
Unfortunately, yeah. But on the bright side, it's becoming hard to find ARs in 'A1' or 'A2 configs, everyone wants shorties.
Good video. How are there dislikes. Haters. Nothing wrong with more information and research.