Yamaha Inline 4 Crossplane's power is not the problem, Yamaha can make a powerful Inline 4 than V4 but they don't because they need to reduce power to have a rear grip. That's why Quartararo prefer lower HP version than base engine. It's the geometry of the bike. Using V4 can make a good chassis because it can shift weight a little back, Inline 4 is front heavy and Yamaha is struggling to make a rear traction.
The inline 4 has enough power, the issue here is that based on the cylinder structure the inline 4 is wider than the v4, at 300 KPH that extra few centimetres creates so much air drag, that makes the bike slower at the top end than another V4 bike with fewer horsepower. It's all a compromise between power and aerodynamics.
The problem with Yamaha is that they have changed the engineering base characteristic of the M1 CP4 Inline and lifted the center of gravity. They forgot how Furusawa specifically designed the M1 to perform at its best. Furusawa lowered and perfected the center of gravity of the bike with its engine placement base to in line with the characteristics of the CP4 engine to perform at its best. Since Furusawa left, they've changed the bike away from that aspect and the performance of the bike have been going down in the spiral. CP4 M1 engine still has a lot of power to give as per furusawa which had to chose 2 types between a screamer and a big bang. Vale chose the big bang but with a tamed engine spec and that's the current engine. But the power that CP4 can give is really high, I remember the graph shown by furusawa back in the days and I was amazed with the Engine. Even Furusawa believed the CP4 Engine will last in MotoGP for more than 2 decades. It's all about the bike's set-up, electronics, chasis, geometry, aero. the Engine is already a beast. I remember Furusawa said, CP4 has the firing power of V4 and performance of inline combine. so changing to V4 is not necessary.
@@MusicLifeVideo ah yes I'm sure Yamaha forgot how to make their bike work 🤣 The reality is that ride height devices and aero advancements in recent years have nullified the advantages that I4s had in stability, packaging, and weight distribution. Whether the 850cc era redresses that balance remains to be seen, but I'd wager a V4 will continue to be the engine of choice for a could of reasons: 1. It's narrower so you have more room to fit aero within the regulations 2. You can basically run any crankpin offset you want with a 90° V4 for optimum traction (Ducati uses 80° if I'm not mistaken) 3. You don't need to run any kind of balancer with a 90° V4, unlike a CP4
@@stuartstogdill2406 a completely inferior engine that won how many MotoGP titles? Suzuki even won a title with a crossplane engine. Not to mention Yamaha's titles in WSBK, BSB, Japanese Superbike, Motoamerica superbike, Endurance World Championship, etc. with the CP4. Brilliant comment, bro.
I’m a Yamaha fan. I am excited to see a V4 on the M1, but we need to remember that Honda is a reminder that it’s not just an engine swap to fix the M1.
@@IainDochartaigh66I trust Yamaha more than HRC…they’ve always relied on rider talent over chassis/handling every since I starting watching MotoGP. They currently do the same in Supercross with Jett Lawrance
i love the old bike each of them were special in some different way and rider have to get the best out of their different advantages, some were good in straight line speed some were good in corner speed ..etc each bike have personality of their own and thats what i love about them now its almost the same bike with almost the same characteristic
Personally I don't think the V4 will solve Yamaha's problems. As others have mentioned, Honda is running a V4 and how is that going for them? They just need a BETTER engine, regardless of configuration. That's the main difference between Ducati and the rest, the Ducati simply makes more power, they have a better-designed, more efficient engine.
The ducati is easy to ride. The technology is superb, all of these bikes more power than you can use with the tyres. The ducati is balanced, precise and stable. The yamaha is also but it's a little bit behind. Power not the drama, most of these bikes spend most of the time at 40% power. Watch the tech talk with Simon Crafar
I agree with your comment above, I think people are getting too, hung up over the V4 engines, and they are overlooking other technological advancements to be made
@@johnharris3335 The biggest advantage of the V4 is being able to relieve the front end of some weight by using a 2 cylinder head at the front. The downside is the 2nd cylinder head. So the inline 4 is not out completely. V4's have been around for ages. The ducati is just good rn. But lets let yamaha cook and see what comes!
I want to see Fabio get some more screen time Rins is hanging by a thread 2020 should have been his ywar and i tjink it may have been if not for the injuries
Aki dari Cimahi Indonesia penggemar berat Yamaha sewaktu Valinteno Rosi n Lorenzo berjaya saat ini ada penurunan why I hope nex year on 2025 come back ke semula di waktu jayanya ayo maju n jangan pernah kalah lagi n tunjukkan kepada dunia bahwa Yamaha akan lebih baik lagi , di tunggu oleh penggemar2 beratnya
Inline 4 cross plane engine is wider than the v4. The new bike will narrower and slightly lower , it should have less surface area to push and have faster top end speed. This is what they need.
Yamaha have been nowhere for a very long time now, apart from Fabio’s single title a few years ago Yamaha have not looked at all competitive dating back to when Rossi was winding up his career with them, It’s like they have not progressed at all and are not really interested in winning anymore.
In my opinion, Yamaha has been improving recently (more specifically, since the Aragon GP) because of these reasons: 1) It had closed the gap relative to Aprilia and KTM since the Aragon GP. 2) Both Fabio and Rins had made Q2 appearances on a semi-regular basis in the recent Grands Prix. 3) Related to the previous point, Fabio and Rins had shown the ability to fight for Top 10 finishes more effectively thanks to the improved Yamaha bike. Bonus points go to Fabio who not only has finished almost every feature race within the Top 10 since Misano R1, but also fights for a Top 5 feature race finish occasionally thanks to his raw talent as well. 4) Unlike Honda, Yamaha goes for a more strategic approach for improving the bike, which turns out to be much more effective than Honda's methods of improving their bike. Conclusion: While it will still take some time to bring the bike back to the front, Yamaha overall has been slowly but surely improving throughout the season as they are now closer to the gap to Aprilia and KTM than Honda. Besides, while the next season will very likely be a Ducati dominance yet again, it also opens a chance for Yamaha fighting for regular Top 10 finishes or even a podium finish in sprint and feature races due to Pramac Racing joining Yamaha next year, which in turn gives Yamaha a big W for improving the bike.
This bike is the same bike of early 2000 when valentino went to yamaha..they need a new bike not only a new engine, you can evolve how much you want but the base is still a 20 years ago M1.
Yamaha mengganti mesin v4 itu cukup ide yang bagus, kedatangan tim Pramac ke yamaha akan membantu mesin v4 yamaha untuk kompetitif karena tim Pramac sudah berpengalaman dengan mesin v4 ducati 😂
Look back at the the years when Yamaha won with rossi and lorenzo, and quartararo.. there must be some winning formulas there. No harm trying proven tech.
It will take 8 years of full commitment from Yamaha if they want to return back to the top. That’s the work that Ducati has been doing since 2013 so it’s hard to catch up.
Japanese culture, is why Honda and Yamaha failed in Motogp while they were very successful in the beginning. A slow and refusal to innovate and adapt and change.
Test a flatplane inline 4 vs the V4 bike though. The crossplane inline 4 is slower than everyone else's flatplane. Suzuki's bike was as fast as the V4s in MototGP and BMW is as fast as the V4s in WSBK. It can be done. Crossplane might have been the move in 2003, but that was over 20 years ago. The Crossplane obviously doesn't have the same performance ceiling and you've been banging your head on that ceiling for several years now.
I get that he is part the yamha moto Gp team but they will have to make their very fast a,specially on the straights and the on inter and xesit speed that is were yamha came up very short
Da yamahatista frustrato , sono speranzoso per Yamaha e Quartararo,almeno cesserò il surrogato Bastianini e Diggia, che restano i miei futuri cavallini con Quartararo
He says lots or words that mean little: 1. They are working on lots of little things for the crossplane bike 2. They have a lot of work to do to have a v4 test mule in 2025 to evaluate Don't hold you breath...
I think a version of the CP3 will end up in a Yamaha Moto GP bike and Honda will turn up with a V3 while everyone else uses a “toned down” V4 engine. 😂
Getting rid of the wings, ride height trickery ... then see if a v4 is the answer ... getting back to core motorcycle racing where the rider is more in control of their destiny ... and stop making such ugly bikes
@@IainDochartaigh66 Yeah, for drag racing or aeroplanes, but causes other racing issues for tight corners and wind manipulation for riders behind ... not necessary for more exciting MotoGP racing.
@ You do realise the wings also help keeping the front end down. If they didn’t help, they would not be there. I’d understand if only one manufacturer had them, then you’d probably have a point. But the whole grid is running aero. They do help in corners, 160kg, 300+hp is an insane power to weight ratio. Those bikes are the same weight as a 125cc road bike.
2025 season yamaha corrects its mistakes, has a satellite team. how can you develop quickly if you rely on input from 2 riders' data, ducati to achieve its current success got input from 8 riders.
Why FQ when he with PETRONAS SPRINTA RACING TEAM performance so good but when he leaves the team to go to MONSTER ENERGY YAMAHA he performed so bad..?..the answer is the MOTORCYCLE itself and who built it..😂😅
It's not the engine it's the entire package starting with the frame Ducati's electronics is what separates them for example the ride height device Ducati was always fast even when Honda and Yamaha were dominating The Ducati in a straight line was savage but lacking in other areas If it was the engine every bike would use the same exact engine
Ini baru Yamaha new engine''contoh mesin lama yamaha ,tahan luar biasa harian balap sudah terbukti gak rewel gaas pool sampai saat ini saya pakai engine type RG10
Yamaha Inline 4 Crossplane's power is not the problem, Yamaha can make a powerful Inline 4 than V4 but they don't because they need to reduce power to have a rear grip. That's why Quartararo prefer lower HP version than base engine. It's the geometry of the bike. Using V4 can make a good chassis because it can shift weight a little back, Inline 4 is front heavy and Yamaha is struggling to make a rear traction.
That's why they have to convert to V4.
Beyond that the pulse fire on the tires is kinder on a V4
The inline 4 has enough power, the issue here is that based on the cylinder structure the inline 4 is wider than the v4, at 300 KPH that extra few centimetres creates so much air drag, that makes the bike slower at the top end than another V4 bike with fewer horsepower. It's all a compromise between power and aerodynamics.
How do people know all this stuff about engines? 😢whenever I read comments like this I feel like there’s half a sport I’ve continued to miss haha
It falls under engineering. @@x9nightshade72
QUATARARO was fast in sepang. 5th actually
Yup he already get podium and pole at sepang
Yeah man. I love Ducati but MotoGp need moore competition. So this is good news 👨✈️😎
Agree
"Yamaha semakin didepan"
Semoga thun depan semakin cepat motor Yamaha MotoGP.
The problem with Yamaha is that they have changed the engineering base characteristic of the M1 CP4 Inline and lifted the center of gravity. They forgot how Furusawa specifically designed the M1 to perform at its best. Furusawa lowered and perfected the center of gravity of the bike with its engine placement base to in line with the characteristics of the CP4 engine to perform at its best. Since Furusawa left, they've changed the bike away from that aspect and the performance of the bike have been going down in the spiral. CP4 M1 engine still has a lot of power to give as per furusawa which had to chose 2 types between a screamer and a big bang. Vale chose the big bang but with a tamed engine spec and that's the current engine. But the power that CP4 can give is really high, I remember the graph shown by furusawa back in the days and I was amazed with the Engine. Even Furusawa believed the CP4 Engine will last in MotoGP for more than 2 decades. It's all about the bike's set-up, electronics, chasis, geometry, aero. the Engine is already a beast. I remember Furusawa said, CP4 has the firing power of V4 and performance of inline combine. so changing to V4 is not necessary.
@@MusicLifeVideo ah yes I'm sure Yamaha forgot how to make their bike work 🤣
The reality is that ride height devices and aero advancements in recent years have nullified the advantages that I4s had in stability, packaging, and weight distribution. Whether the 850cc era redresses that balance remains to be seen, but I'd wager a V4 will continue to be the engine of choice for a could of reasons:
1. It's narrower so you have more room to fit aero within the regulations
2. You can basically run any crankpin offset you want with a 90° V4 for optimum traction (Ducati uses 80° if I'm not mistaken)
3. You don't need to run any kind of balancer with a 90° V4, unlike a CP4
The CP4 is completely inferior... Furusawa is simply a fool.
@@stuartstogdill2406 a completely inferior engine that won how many MotoGP titles? Suzuki even won a title with a crossplane engine. Not to mention Yamaha's titles in WSBK, BSB, Japanese Superbike, Motoamerica superbike, Endurance World Championship, etc. with the CP4.
Brilliant comment, bro.
Ducati Losing this guy Could be an Even Bigger Mistake than losing JM89 and the Humiliation of HRC Hasn’t even Begun!
I’m willing to sacrifice the sound of the cross plane for a faster engine 💯
A properly tuned V4 can sound really good. V4 is simply the best engine design for MotoGP.
Me too! But a 90 degree V4 with a 'conventional' 180 degree crankpin offset would sound indistinguishable from a CP4... so I hope for that
A V4 can have a crossplane, like an American V8. Not sure if it’s good for MotoGP.
I’m a Yamaha fan. I am excited to see a V4 on the M1, but we need to remember that Honda is a reminder that it’s not just an engine swap to fix the M1.
@@IainDochartaigh66I trust Yamaha more than HRC…they’ve always relied on rider talent over chassis/handling every since I starting watching MotoGP. They currently do the same in Supercross with Jett Lawrance
Interesting how this will pan out ....... Yamaha has always been all in with MotoGP .... Good Luck
They are really coming... I just love their bike's livery
Sadly the bikes livery ain’t gonna do much to improve performance…
i love the old bike each of them were special in some different way and rider have to get the best out of their different advantages, some were good in straight line speed some were good in corner speed ..etc each bike have personality of their own and thats what i love about them now its almost the same bike with almost the same characteristic
Good bye for the best sounding CP4 engine in MotoGP
Vamos que Fabio quatararo puede volver a la punta el es muy buen piloto 😈😈😈
Semoga Yamaha kembali tampil gacor lagi
We want Yamaha riders on the podium in every single race
So basically you want a reversal of Ducati winning all the time.
I want races where more than 1 manufacturer can win.
Not only yamaha , Honda too
@@Showmetheevidence- yes
now power is everything, and getting into corners faster in corners is the main thing. that's all not in the inline 4 engine
Personally I don't think the V4 will solve Yamaha's problems. As others have mentioned, Honda is running a V4 and how is that going for them? They just need a BETTER engine, regardless of configuration. That's the main difference between Ducati and the rest, the Ducati simply makes more power, they have a better-designed, more efficient engine.
The ducati is easy to ride.
The technology is superb, all of these bikes more power than you can use with the tyres.
The ducati is balanced, precise and stable.
The yamaha is also but it's a little bit behind.
Power not the drama, most of these bikes spend most of the time at 40% power.
Watch the tech talk with Simon Crafar
I agree with your comment above, I think people are getting too, hung up over the V4 engines, and they are overlooking other technological advancements to be made
@@johnharris3335 The biggest advantage of the V4 is being able to relieve the front end of some weight by using a 2 cylinder head at the front.
The downside is the 2nd cylinder head.
So the inline 4 is not out completely. V4's have been around for ages.
The ducati is just good rn. But lets let yamaha cook and see what comes!
1:51 "but i think so far we are on the right path"
I hope so bud, i hope so....
If they do this, it could very well be the start of something awesome! Would love to see the Yamaha up front again
We need Suzuki, kawasaki, BMW in motogp.
Legendary yamaha is back.. it was just 2 bad years but here we go again...❤❤❤❤
I agree Japan have to take the fight to Ducati
Yes! Yamaha
I want to see Fabio get some more screen time Rins is hanging by a thread 2020 should have been his ywar and i tjink it may have been if not for the injuries
I’d like to see both Yamaha and Honda be competitive again, MotoGP is slowly becoming a Ducati world championship 😢
They'll stay with the inline..in 27 inline engines will be in favour again..and Toprak will shine with Paramac Yamaha!
Aki dari Cimahi Indonesia penggemar berat Yamaha sewaktu Valinteno Rosi n Lorenzo berjaya saat ini ada penurunan why I hope nex year on 2025 come back ke semula di waktu jayanya ayo maju n jangan pernah kalah lagi n tunjukkan kepada dunia bahwa Yamaha akan lebih baik lagi , di tunggu oleh penggemar2 beratnya
I’m glad to see Yamaha is putting in the work they need the V4 that engine will be a game changer in Moto GP and in WSBK Yamaha can do it 😊
Yes, I believe this is the way to go....
What make is this jacket???
Inline 4 cross plane engine is wider than the v4. The new bike will narrower and slightly lower , it should have less surface area to push and have faster top end speed. This is what they need.
Они же выпускали Yamaha V-max 1200 и потом V-Max 1700. Почему они упорно отпираются от V образника?
Love that crossplane
Yamaha have been nowhere for a very long time now, apart from Fabio’s single title a few years ago Yamaha have not looked at all competitive dating back to when Rossi was winding up his career with them, It’s like they have not progressed at all and are not really interested in winning anymore.
In my opinion, Yamaha has been improving recently (more specifically, since the Aragon GP) because of these reasons:
1) It had closed the gap relative to Aprilia and KTM since the Aragon GP.
2) Both Fabio and Rins had made Q2 appearances on a semi-regular basis in the recent Grands Prix.
3) Related to the previous point, Fabio and Rins had shown the ability to fight for Top 10 finishes more effectively thanks to the improved Yamaha bike. Bonus points go to Fabio who not only has finished almost every feature race within the Top 10 since Misano R1, but also fights for a Top 5 feature race finish occasionally thanks to his raw talent as well.
4) Unlike Honda, Yamaha goes for a more strategic approach for improving the bike, which turns out to be much more effective than Honda's methods of improving their bike.
Conclusion: While it will still take some time to bring the bike back to the front, Yamaha overall has been slowly but surely improving throughout the season as they are now closer to the gap to Aprilia and KTM than Honda. Besides, while the next season will very likely be a Ducati dominance yet again, it also opens a chance for Yamaha fighting for regular Top 10 finishes or even a podium finish in sprint and feature races due to Pramac Racing joining Yamaha next year, which in turn gives Yamaha a big W for improving the bike.
I hope next year yamaha more strong, they have one of the best rider on moto GP, JM go to Aprilia, so competition will be great to watching.
This bike is the same bike of early 2000 when valentino went to yamaha..they need a new bike not only a new engine, you can evolve how much you want but the base is still a 20 years ago M1.
Its a tall order since Ducati has more data, but Yamaha could innovate and surprise with another one off title.
songs??
Yamaha mengganti mesin v4 itu cukup ide yang bagus, kedatangan tim Pramac ke yamaha akan membantu mesin v4 yamaha untuk kompetitif karena tim Pramac sudah berpengalaman dengan mesin v4 ducati 😂
Let's see what Yamaha brings to next year bike
I can only hope that Fabio is in the mix next year.
Look back at the the years when Yamaha won with rossi and lorenzo, and quartararo.. there must be some winning formulas there. No harm trying proven tech.
Maybe the Japanese will listen. Took Italians at Ducati a while.
The only team still using inline 4.bye2 inline 4
I can' t wait Yamaha to take podium, slowly but sure....💙🔥💪🏍️
V4 sound better if the firing order is like the rsv4
It will take 8 years of full commitment from Yamaha if they want to return back to the top.
That’s the work that Ducati has been doing since 2013 so it’s hard to catch up.
@epicon6 Nonsense. Ducati were newbies in MotoGP. Yamaha has been winning in MotoGP/500cc races for half a century.
Hope so!
Taro is strong rider also…
All there riders are extrrmely good in wet conditions maybe if it will always rain next yr they have a chance 😆
GO GO YAMAHA!!!
Honda has a V4. Goes worse than the inline 4 from Yamaha.
Its time For New Engine V4 Four Stroke Since 1984 the Title with eddie lawson 2 Stroke
Yamaha is my first love❤
Ducati need competitors
King of in Line
Japanese culture, is why Honda and Yamaha failed in Motogp while they were very successful in the beginning.
A slow and refusal to innovate and adapt and change.
Al principio? Ese principio tuyo duro 50 años jaja... ahora están todos enamorados de ducati, es facil querer a la moto que gana. Pero no sera eterno
If the machine win it will be credited to foreign engineer. Win or loose engineer must be japanese., the soul of yamaha.
🎉❤love moto gp❤😊🎉
Team Yamaha ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Test a flatplane inline 4 vs the V4 bike though. The crossplane inline 4 is slower than everyone else's flatplane. Suzuki's bike was as fast as the V4s in MototGP and BMW is as fast as the V4s in WSBK. It can be done. Crossplane might have been the move in 2003, but that was over 20 years ago. The Crossplane obviously doesn't have the same performance ceiling and you've been banging your head on that ceiling for several years now.
ayoo yamaha kamu bisa di barisan depan lagi
Do what Honda did and create a V5 engine.
It's coming.
Seems like the V4 really is the perfect engine for a sport bike.
Yamaha Semakin Di Depan
YAMAHA🇯🇵🗾
If not, put Valentino back!!
The problem is that Japanese manufacturers are looking to use Italian influence and copy Italian machinery
Re design using Japanese tech
Go YAMAHA !
Should have developed a v4 a decade ago.
Even their 500 was a v4
I get that he is part the yamha moto Gp team but they will have to make their very fast a,specially on the straights and the on inter and xesit speed that is were yamha came up very short
🤞💪✌️
Da yamahatista frustrato , sono speranzoso per Yamaha e Quartararo,almeno cesserò il surrogato Bastianini e Diggia, che restano i miei futuri cavallini con Quartararo
Bring back ECU by factory , not single ecu
Us blu cru bloods 💙💙💙 to hear that Yamaha isn't just standing still! 🦾
He says lots or words that mean little:
1. They are working on lots of little things for the crossplane bike
2. They have a lot of work to do to have a v4 test mule in 2025 to evaluate
Don't hold you breath...
I think a version of the CP3 will end up in a Yamaha Moto GP bike and Honda will turn up with a V3 while everyone else uses a “toned down” V4 engine. 😂
Impossible with bore limits
I didn't even know a V3 was a thing lol, that is a truly bizarre configuration
go go Yamaha!!
Yamaha India needs Tmax version of Aerox,only yamaha can do it,no hope from Honda😊
Yamaha engine dilemma, reminds me of the mid 2000's 🤣
Yamaha is improving, the problem is European make more improvements.
setiap masa ada orangnya
U also need to lower the r1 prices so poor ppl like my self can get it
The R1 is not a poor persons bike.
Go buy grandma scooter then. 😅
Getting rid of the wings, ride height trickery ... then see if a v4 is the answer ... getting back to core motorcycle racing where the rider is more in control of their destiny ... and stop making such ugly bikes
That’s what WSBK is for. The wings are functional, 300+hp on 2 wheels need all the downforce it can get.
@@IainDochartaigh66 Yeah, for drag racing or aeroplanes, but causes other racing issues for tight corners and wind manipulation for riders behind ... not necessary for more exciting MotoGP racing.
@ You do realise the wings also help keeping the front end down. If they didn’t help, they would not be there. I’d understand if only one manufacturer had them, then you’d probably have a point. But the whole grid is running aero. They do help in corners, 160kg, 300+hp is an insane power to weight ratio. Those bikes are the same weight as a 125cc road bike.
@@IainDochartaigh66 a 125cc road bike doesn't weigh 160 kg.
@ mines is 150kg, close enough
I don't like suzuki leaving the motogp despite they almost match of ducati pace..
Look honda v4, he was a many problem
Ayolah sedikit lagi
Chill yamaha & honda , take your time , u guys have dominated the gp for a long time when ducati was nowhere & nobody call it a yamaha/honda cup.
Talk is effing CHEAP. Stop spewing and get to work. Stop the excuses and start producing.
To many ducatis
2025 season yamaha corrects its mistakes, has a satellite team.
how can you develop quickly if you rely on input from 2 riders' data, ducati to achieve its current success got input from 8 riders.
Yamaha belajar ke ducati
2027 may be
Why FQ when he with PETRONAS SPRINTA RACING TEAM performance so good but when he leaves the team to go to MONSTER ENERGY YAMAHA he performed so bad..?..the answer is the MOTORCYCLE itself and who built it..😂😅
YAMAHA
Take wings and suspensions out of moto gp
Copying is never going to work now everyone will have a Ducati style engine. They need to remove traction control and rider aides!
It's not the engine it's the entire package starting with the frame
Ducati's electronics is what separates them for example the ride height device
Ducati was always fast even when Honda and Yamaha were dominating
The Ducati in a straight line was savage but lacking in other areas
If it was the engine every bike would use the same exact engine
Ride height device is purely mechanic btw.
No electronics in this system allowed.
Ini baru Yamaha new engine''contoh mesin lama yamaha ,tahan luar biasa harian balap sudah terbukti gak rewel gaas pool sampai saat ini saya pakai engine type RG10
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