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What I find hilarious is, this is arguably the *worst time* they could've chosen to start cutting. With the A's out of the Bay Area, this could easily be the time to get the spurned fans (especially considering they CONTRIBUTED to their leaving by outright REFUSING to give up their rights to the San Jose market when the A's had considered a stadium there- which is bad enough, but then gets worse when you remember the A's *gave them those rights* when they were on the verge of moving in the early 1990s- a dick move on the Giants' part that arguably already mostly killed any potential new fanbase for them there). Yet instead of taking advantage and reasserting themselves as *THE* Bay Area team, they decide *now* is the time to start cutting like they're John Fisher throwing a bitch fit. I remember UrinatingTree offered an analogy about the Twins that could apply here- what's been going in the Bay Area is essentially an entire sports league taking their fanbase and slapping them across the face like they made a GI Jane 2 joke. If i'm in the Bay Area, I wouldn't blame them if they just stopped caring for the sport altogether after all these dick punches. The teams seemed to stop caring about how they felt, so why should THEY return the favor?
I really hope that payroll isn't gutted. Makes some of the contracts (Chapman, Lee) very questionable if that was to be the case. I'm all for playing the kids and finding out some of the younger players real value but that should have been all of August & September when the postseason became out of reach. From the fans perspective, they finally got a win by firing Farhan and now they might have to put up with cost cutting. If that's the definition of the "memory making business", it doesn't look very appealing to the apetite.
Brodie, I’m sorry you lost your A’s… as a Bay Area native/Giants fan I’m left feeling a bit let down & heartbroken by their departure.. and knowing your long connection to to the team, I know it’s a tough chapter to close. But selfishly, I’m excited/happy to see you covering the giants more! You’ve always been one of my favorite voices in Bay Area sports and I hope to see you lurking around on the other side of the bridge more often.. 😏 maybe even sporting some orange & black. Keep up the good work!
Now that the A's are gone, I'm not going to become a Giants fan, but I'll go to a game or two just to get my fix. One that I definitely want to go to is that first home game against the Dodgers in July. That's going to be a hoot.
What the F is the actual plan in the SFG front office? Us fans have had no friggin clue what the plan or direction of the team has been for FZ’s entire miserable failed tenure. And now, he’s *finally* gone, aaaaaand… we still don’t know what the plan is. If you’re going to sign Chapman to an expensive contract that no other team in mlb would have given him, thennnn why are we cutting the budget now?? Getting under the tax is understandable. Especially if we’re getting rid of Yaz, Wade, Flores, and the like. Those are the perfect cuts to make to save money on the payroll. Its addition by subtraction. They’ve been good Giants, we like those players, great guys. But they’re just not going to cut it if we’re going to try to beat the Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, Braves, Yankees, etc etc to get to the WS, or even just to get to the playoffs. I just have a bad feeling that they’re going to cut those guys to save money.. and then *only* sign Kim for short or 2nd, maybe one of the big 3 pitchers… aaaand that’s it for this off-season. Makes me sick to my stomach thinking about it. If that’s all they do it will be *really* depressing. They need to cut those listed players, perfect. Then sign Kim & 1 of the big 3 pitchers, sounds good. AND THEN they still need to go get another middle infielder (Adames along with Kim would be perfect!), *AND* a star outfielder!! We need a Shortstop, 2nd baseman, AND a 3-4-5 hitting star outfielder (Santander, trade for Luis Robert, or something similar). We badly need those 3 spots filled, an not just by average players like the last 6 years as they’ve done. We desperately need *STAR* 3-4-5 hitters who can drive in runs, hit situationally, etc. We don’t even need Soto.. in fact it would be better if we didn’t get him. Because we need 3-4 really good hitters/defensive fielders to make this team playoff competitive. Just getting Soto and nothing else won’t help this roster… we need too much for one player to take up all their available free agent budget. But, makes me sick to know that they’re not going to give up draft picks to sign someone like Adames or Santander who have qualifying offers. All they’re going to do is get Kim and 1 big pitcher. Ugh 🤮 We need so much more than that. Screw the 2nd rd and 5th rd draft picks.. Go sign Kim AND Adames to lock up short & 2nd. Then go trade for a star 3-4 hitting outfielder (Robert or similar). Us fans don’t necessarily want them to just ‘spend more and more and more money.’ It’s not about how much is spent.. it’s about how well they’re building the team. Chapman is not a cleanup 4 hitter on a playoff contending team. He’s a good player. But he’s a good *ROLE* player, not the main guy who hits 4th every day. He needs to be hitting in the 6-7 spot because there are stars hitting in the 4-5 spots ahead of him for this team to be competitive. Oh and Brody.. you’d rather ‘draw from within?’ We don’t have anyone from within who is as good as Soto, or Adames, or Santander, or Luis Robert, or etc etc etc…. THAT’s why ‘us fans’ want to acquire talent from outside the organization. We need to get better immediately, or rebuild entirely. Pick a lane Giants. We don’t mind rebuilding and going young. And we don’t mind spending and competing now. What we DO mind is this constant cruising in the middle lane with average, aging veterans like Slater, Yaz, Wade, Flores, etc etc etc. I’ll ask again, What the F is the plan right now Giants?!!? Rebuild and go young, or spend intelligently and compete now? ENOUGH with this average-veteran- .500 - hope and pray for the 3rd wildcard spot every damn year BS. Seriously. Who PLANS to AIM FOR the 3rd wildcard every year?! We’ve had it. Posey needs to come out and tell the fanbase CLEARLY what the plan is for this upcoming season, and going into the next few seasons. Does the front office even know what the plan is anyway??? *IS* there a plan at all???
Jimmy from Chicago….Hi Brody…Nice piece on Giants….Im a big Mike Yastrzemski fan…I know he’s not a big star…but a good ball player …..decent defense…and power….Im afraid he’s going to be gone…I’m 69 yrs. Old…Red Sox fan back with YAZ,Rice,Lynn,Fisk…etc. ……..I was impressed with Mike toiling in the minors for years not giving up….plus being the grandson of Carl….cool stuff… Brody….love your show….Thanks….!😊😊😊
@@thomasjoseph3488the verdict is still out on Ray. Pitchers were fetching big deals last offseason, and acquiring 2.5 years of Ray also got them to ditch Haniger and DeSclafani. Those two roster spots allowed room for guys like Birdsong and Ramos, and the Mariners took on almost all of the ~$40M owed to Haniger and Disco. If Ray can be a serviceable 4th starter who eats up 150 innings for two years, I think the trade ends up a victory for the Giants
We not only want to win Brodie we want to have fun with great players we can get behind, and not a bunch of Brett Wiseley’s (no disrespect). Point is when we already spent less % wise than the dodgers on payroll, and then we suck while dodgers win the WS, why would any fan be happy about now committing even LESS. We were already committing way less than our target…
The problem with the farm system is it seems that all these players that get all this hype haven't really seemed to pay off at least in S.F. They hyped up Joey Bart for how many years just to finally let him go.
Giants just need to clean house and re build once and for all, stop trying to get a quick fix. Star FA are just not coming to SF unless they want to rebuild their value. Giants just need to invest in the minors and build from within.
I have even been skipping through some NHL Highlights at Sportsnet since the season started , usually a very very loyal fanbase across the entire league --- seeing a lot of empty seats at many arenas , different teams --- not sure about NBA and NFL --- but seems to me like someone commented recently --- they have priced out regular working class fans everywhere , and i am not just talking playoffs. People struggle to pay rent / mortgages. What's the first thing they cut ? Unnecessary expenses --- new purchases , vacations , eating out , attending concerts , attending pro sports. But honestly i am just speculating...
Giants are not in trouble, they just need a different approach. Actually are in the top 10 on profitability. They just can’t get FA to come to SF and don’t have the minors yet to build so why spend the money. That’s more the issue. They get boatloads of money from Mission Bay development that they don’t have to share with anyone, so they are ok. They just need a different approach.
Attending pro sports is only for the rich and has been for some time. Sure, a lot of us regular folks still buy in to the charade but that's becoming less and less. What these billionaires want is the rich people at the stadiums and the poor people at home watching it on TV...and they are winning.
For me, I think it all depends how they spend their money this off-season. Getting under the luxury tax makes sense no matter what direction they take. This team isn’t one free agent away from bonafide contention. Giving up draft picks to sign Adames and doing nothing else doesn’t make a ton of sense, nor does the Farhan “spend ~$15M on a bunch of decent veterans” strategy. And if they cut guys like Yaz, Wade, and Doval without replacing them, that also doesn’t make sense. They just gave Chapman $151M, so penny pinching doesn’t make sense if there’s not a young replacement in-house. If the 2025 Giants are a playoff team, it’ll be due to a slew of young guys stepping up and solidifying into a core they can build around. Their spending should help the 2025 team be better without saddling the 2026 and beyond team from making splashes when their window of contention is hopefully sustainable.
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@@AnnPorkins I totally disagree. I think if you stick with the philosophy of, we’re gonna have three or four aces on the staff and just lights out pitching department and we’re gonna have a decent above average or just average offensive lineup with good defense you’re gonna win in that park it’s been proven. It’s not some mystery have Logan Webb have Robbie Ray have Kyle Harrison and have one other big name star like a Max Frey or even a mixtures are like in five years ago, but if you don’t have three bona fide All-Star aces on this team, this is just not gonna work it’s just that simple so spend the money but spend it on aces that will win new gamesand not be hurt all the time Kyle Harrison I hope it will be good but the perfect example is Logan Webb Day day out he is gonna give you everything he has which is probably seven or more.
@ I agree that they would be wise to deepen the pitching staff, and having several ace-like starters would offset some offensive shortcomings. But it seems like you’re lumping Ray and Harrison with Webb, and that I disagree with. Harrison certainly has the upside to develop a lot more, but he’s no sure bet to be anything other than a one-trick pony who’s a fifth starter. And Ray has been nothing but hurt and league average since his 2021 Cy Young. It’s not impossible for him to bounce back to that level, but I think 150 innings of league average pitching is about all we can expect from him - anything more is gravy. I stand by my comment about the 2025 team being successful if the young guys take the next step, and I think it applies even if the Giants manage to get an ace like Snell/Burnes/Fried and a short stop. They’ll continue to be a roughly .500 team if the rotation is just Webb, Snell, and the production they got from everyone else past year. But if Birdsong and/or Harrison turn into bonafide studs, that’s a huge development of its young crop of players. Similarly, if they can give Jordan Hicks enough extra days off, I think he could sustain success as a starter. That would be a boon as well. If they get even more production out of a handful of guys like l Ramos, Fitzgerald, Jung-Hoo Lee, and Bailey, that’s another in-house youth-based development that will bode well for them improving as a club. That was the point of my last paragraph, and that’s almost completely dependent on how the younger guys step up - not who they spend money on to join the team. The team could land a few quality free agents and still struggle to go beyond .500 if their young guys don’t step up. On the other hand, the front office could disappoint and do nothing this offseason and the Giants could still be a better team than 2024 if many of those young guys step up. Therefore, I think the key to the Giants in 2025 is largely already on the roster, for better or for worse.
The fan base doesn’t necessarily want the team to spend lots on free agency, but if representatives are going to say their goal is to be a playoff team, that’s what they need to do. If they wanted to take a real risk to make the team better, they would be more explicit about building from within and immediately and clearly say they aren’t going to pursue guys like Soto. That said, Roki Sasaki is someone they should strongly pursue, because he’s good, he’s young, he will add Japanese fans and media, and the Giants might as well choose to tank, if he goes to another NL West team (except the Rockies).
Why because you think the A’s are some poor team I hate to inform you their owner is like one of the richest if not the second richest owner in baseball they choose to be cheap as heck and so they think they can still win games draft great talent, which they did but then traded away every year Brentson repeat I cannot be a fan of that kind of BS. The Giants are following and have been the ownership group of the A’s in terms of being extremely fragile puttingprofits and money before winning, which is just gonna get you average the Niners, the Warriors and the other teams like that that spend and then ask themselves, how can we spend and improve the team to win not how can we make money and still win? It’s the ownership and philosophy group mindset that’s killing this team and it will hold it back. it does not change.
Even if Soto was enticed to consider the Giants, the Giants need to build out this team ready to accommodate him which is effectively the infield. Soto negotiations could go into 2025 before a decision is made so sort out other FA priorities beforehand. Most of the signings last time around looked to be more reactionary rather than methodical. Honestly, Soto is like a 1% shot in coming to SF. Left handed sluggers (that aren't Barry Bonds) are disadvantaged at Oracle Park. They're coming of a 'mid' season and also, Soto would have to give up #22 as it's a retired number (Will Clark). Not too many boxes being checked off. It would be the contract and a massive overbid to land him. I really hope the first memory in the "memory making business" isn't gutting payroll though.
... The Giants can't spend their way into contention rite now... GETTING JUAN SOTO WOULD NOT MAKE THEM A CONTENDER. 1 player is not going to fix this team, the Giants Rotation is a fucking mess... You have Webb, a lot of you would say Robby Ray... WELL GUESS WHAT, I am not going to assume Robby Ray goes back to being a Cy Young type guy till I see it. I think that SOME of the Kids like Birdsong have potential, but they are also unproven, we tried Hicks as a starter and he couldn't last the season, as many people (including me) predicted, and Snell Left. Logan Webb Robby Ray??? Hayden Birdsong??? Jordan Hicks??? Kyle Harrison??? Mason Black??? Landen Roupp??? Keaton Winn??? DOES ANYONE THINK ADDING CORBIN BURNS WOULD MAKE THE GIANTS A LEGIT COMPETITOR TO THE DODGERS WITH THESE ROTATION OPTIONS? Say they also signed Juan Soto, do you think that Juan Soto by himself fixes the Giants offense... Opposing teams would just walk him, you think Matt Chapman is sufficient line up protection to keep that from happening? Those 2 together will DOUBLE the payroll... you won't be able to do anything else, you will be over the cap and that will limit what you can do in international signings... Free agents aren't how you build a team, they are how you put the finishing touches on a team that is already close, to put you over the top. IF we find out that Birdsong and Roupp and Harrison are all what we hope they could be ALL OF THEM, AND Robby Ray bounces back and has a good season, the Giants will have a legit rotation, does anyone think that that is going to happen? Does anyone think that literally every one of those guys is going to pan out and be at least a middle of the rotation guy? If you get lucky 1 of the rooks pans out and Ray has a good season, combine that with Webb and they got 3 pitchers... YOU NEED MORE LIKE 6, how many guys not named Logan Webb make 32 starts a year boys... You need 5 starters and a backup starter who can be in the pen for spot starts... Corbin Burns by himself only helps if at least 3 of the rooks pan out AND Robby Ray bounces back. This team isn't close enough for Juan Soto to put them over the top... even with Corbin Burns. They might be a playoff team, but they wouldn't make it out of the first round, and they would have so much money tied up in 3 players that they wouldn't be able to do anything meaningful FOR YEARS. The Giants need to play the rooks, see if any of them are worth anything, bring up Eldridge and see if he is what we hope he is, IF the stars align and Ramos isn't a flash in the pan, Jung-Hu Lee plays more like he did in Korea, Harrison and Birdsong work out, Bailey manages to last a whole season rather than falling apart at the all-star break Chapman can prove that he isn't starting to decline like most players do at 32... Do you see the problem... If everything works out perfectly (which is completely unrealistic) then maybe free agents put you over the top in 2026... The Giants are not anywhere near close enough for free agents to make them contenders... We need to play the kids and find out how close we really are, or how far, if a bunch of them pan out then maybe trades put us over the top in 26, if not then maybe it's time to trade Webb and just start over...
This is a time to capture some A's fans, but instead they're going for another sub .500 team. I"m sick of their ownership taking the low road, and this includes Buster. We're not even putting a team that can compete in our own division, and we're just letting the dodgers run a muck. I'm sick of the ownership, and I'm sick of the MLB letting owners get away with not keeping teams competitive
For the 3,456,789th time: Signing someone like Soto only works if the Giants were the proverbial " one player away from World Series contention "- the Giants are at least three players away. Oracle Park punishes hitters, getting a Soto-type hitter won't happen in free agency, it will take a trade-or developing/drafting one. Oracle Park, while not as cold as Candlestick Park, still gets cold at night. Many players don't like playing in cold weather. Fact of life, another reason free agents won't necessarily come to San Francisco. Invest in better player development and scouting, and PLAY THE KIDS. The kids may have an upside. There's no quick fix
Giants are more then just three players away. They need a rebuild and not a quick fix. Soto not coming here anyway, players don't want to sign in SF for a number of reasons. Quality of life is one, and that is not changing unless the people finally wake up.
That “one player” is 5/6/7 wins. Add that to the eighty wins from ‘24-if they don’t screw over the fans and keep the team intact-and that’s a serious shot at the playoffs.
@@michaelbaucom4019But they still won eighty games with all those issues. It makes no sense to go into rebuilding mode, and justifying cutting payroll means you’re being played by the Giants FO.
Also, yes we can’t take out money on our asset. But also let’s not pretend like the Giants haven’t paid off their mortgage!! It’s just overhead now they’re rolling around in money please don’t do fans dirty and make it seem like it’s okay for them to commit less than they reasonably can!😢
@@user-fc9fg5ix2x it’s this simple look at the Dodgers look at the 49ers look at the Warriors. Do you think that their ownership is thinking how can we win but also make money no they wanna win and figure out the money later. It is not non-issue so I’m sick of hearing all this bullshit if you own a professional sports team that is a franchise and recognizes the SF Giants you cannotat all give your fan base the perception that money is always gonna be an issue. The Dodgers jump the Warriors don’t the Niners don’t if they don’t win they go out and get someone like Christian McCaffrey like I’m sick of this crap it’s just minor rookie
Cutting costs is not a sign of collusion but is a sign of changing economic dynamics from the loss of RSNs. I remember a time when the Giants won the World Series in 2010, 2012, 2014. The Giants actually play in San Francisco not San Jose, Santa Clara and sorry folks Oakland. Warriors play in San Francisco over Oakland. Go Oakland cricket 🏏, Ballers and other alternative sports teams in Oakland.
More fans to stadium means more spending on merchandise and concessions. I don’t see how they lost money. Those seats wouldn’t have been bought. Also the merchandise and concessions wouldn’t have been sold. Giants are making money don’t let the bundles or free tickets mislead you to think the Giants not making money.
The Giants had the Bay Area to themselves from 1958 to 1967 then shared the market with the Oakland Athletics from 1968 to 2024. FJF FJF FJF Anyway, Giants should try to lure Oakland fans to their ballpark.
10th overall payroll in 2024. But really - how far low can it get? Definitely won't be 64 million like The Oakland A's. Whatever it may be, much like anything else out there. There are happy groups and unhappy groups about there is no major league competition in the BayArea for the NFL and MLB.
They have no business spending big bucks on players. Field a team for a reasonable amount of money. Thinking a total payroll of $110 million. Most importantly go to work on your minor league system
Have lousy season, cut payroll. Complete disrespect for your fanbase. Posey/Chapman were boob bait moves for PR. They’re not trying to be competitive-esp in the NL West. It’s important not to take team comments about revenue/profits at face value. We never see the actual numbers, and you don’t want to be reduced to being a mere spokesman for MLB teams, like the guys at MLBTR.
They can make moves to release payroll to give them more $$. However if they don’t get sign or trade to improve to compete I guarantee it will start reflecting in their ticket sales at some point. This economy it’s tough. So it can also hurt their pockets if the team isn’t good. I know I won’t travel several hours to watch mediocrity. Not sure if they just saying that till they see what the product Posey can put together.
I have faith in Buster, if you look at all the teams he was on for world series champs it was a lot of internal players they drafted who worked their way into the line up, the likes of Cain, Buster, Belt, Crawford, Madbum, and then they added a piece here and there on free agents and trades but they never went after the big name players at that time.
Unfortunately not every team can spend as lavishly as the Los Angeles Dodgers... MLB should have a hard SALARY CAP, but doesn't... This useless LUXURY TAX is a joke as it does not trim the Los Angeles Dodgers spending habits...
@@ronclark9724 while i sympathize with you ... look up what happened with the 90s lockout and the replacements they wanted to bring in to play ..... sometimes dudes who had full time jobs and hadn't even played as a hobby the last 2-3 years ! Pro sports in general - MLB , NBA , NFL , NHL , European Football with EPL & UCL , probably even Cricket in India , F1 , PGA Golf , etc. --- in terms of wages --- the genie simply has gotten completely out of the bottle and is very had to get back in ( barring a major world economic crisis like China going after Taiwan etc. ).
What I take away from this segment is that Giants ownership are complete morons. Under Zaidi, the team has eroded their foundation to complete dependance on min-maxing the roster they DO have (which is mostly replacement level guys) to try and put up a facade of competitiveness. Without that min-maxing and nowhere near enough high-end talent, this team is primed to COLLAPSE next year or in 2026. Yet we don't rebuild OR overpay for the actual needle moving talent that can push the Giants over. Why did the Giants commit SO much money to Chapman if they are CUTTING the budget!? Chapman is not a foundational player, yet he is objectively their best position player going into next year. This team may have dumped Zaidi, but the team still has ZERO direction or conviction to do what is needed to make the team a contender. And LORD Posey is not going to change that, especially in a year or two. I WOULD call the farm system a BIG problem. We were ranked LAST in the latest farm system rankings which is WORSE than when Zaidi took over. I think we are at least 3 years away from having a chance of being relevant and that is a scathing indictment on the Giants as a franchise.
It wont make a difference. The Giants will be the 4th best team in the NL West. Since Farhan took over they should've been doing a rebuild, but Farhan was and is so bad that they screwed that up. It's what happens when you have hire someone who doesn't understand baseball and the business. Buster understands baseball and will surround him with the correct people they will get back under the cap and hopefully not bring back all the ARB garbage that they currently have. Flores, bye, Yaz bye, Wade bye bye Doval bye bye and Rogers get out of here. All the ARB guys are so bad and wouldn't do anything on any other rosters. They are all JV public school player trying to make the West Catholic League Varsity teams... They don't have any business wearing that uniform.
@@stevekassel3301 how do you figure this is completely false? At any point during the last two seasons were the Giants anywhere close to being the 2nd best team in the division?
@ well if your mind is that dull that you have a year of amnesia than I think the clown is you bro. Btw that title you reference was 88😅. The laughs are great btw keep em Coming
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What I find hilarious is, this is arguably the *worst time* they could've chosen to start cutting. With the A's out of the Bay Area, this could easily be the time to get the spurned fans (especially considering they CONTRIBUTED to their leaving by outright REFUSING to give up their rights to the San Jose market when the A's had considered a stadium there- which is bad enough, but then gets worse when you remember the A's *gave them those rights* when they were on the verge of moving in the early 1990s- a dick move on the Giants' part that arguably already mostly killed any potential new fanbase for them there). Yet instead of taking advantage and reasserting themselves as *THE* Bay Area team, they decide *now* is the time to start cutting like they're John Fisher throwing a bitch fit.
I remember UrinatingTree offered an analogy about the Twins that could apply here- what's been going in the Bay Area is essentially an entire sports league taking their fanbase and slapping them across the face like they made a GI Jane 2 joke. If i'm in the Bay Area, I wouldn't blame them if they just stopped caring for the sport altogether after all these dick punches. The teams seemed to stop caring about how they felt, so why should THEY return the favor?
I really hope that payroll isn't gutted. Makes some of the contracts (Chapman, Lee) very questionable if that was to be the case. I'm all for playing the kids and finding out some of the younger players real value but that should have been all of August & September when the postseason became out of reach.
From the fans perspective, they finally got a win by firing Farhan and now they might have to put up with cost cutting. If that's the definition of the "memory making business", it doesn't look very appealing to the apetite.
@@Jaybee82 Well said.. both of these comments… very well said.
Brodie, I’m sorry you lost your A’s… as a Bay Area native/Giants fan I’m left feeling a bit let down & heartbroken by their departure.. and knowing your long connection to to the team, I know it’s a tough chapter to close.
But selfishly, I’m excited/happy to see you covering the giants more! You’ve always been one of my favorite voices in Bay Area sports and I hope to see you lurking around on the other side of the bridge more often.. 😏 maybe even sporting some orange & black.
Keep up the good work!
Now that the A's are gone, I'm not going to become a Giants fan, but I'll go to a game or two just to get my fix. One that I definitely want to go to is that first home game against the Dodgers in July. That's going to be a hoot.
You’re not welcome
Giants would be in Tampa if not for the A's did they return the favor. Nope
So Giants get a doubled fan market with the A’s leaving , witness the dodgers win a legit World Series and their response is to cut costs!?
We’ll see what they do. Thanks, Brody.
What the F is the actual plan in the SFG front office? Us fans have had no friggin clue what the plan or direction of the team has been for FZ’s entire miserable failed tenure.
And now, he’s *finally* gone, aaaaaand… we still don’t know what the plan is.
If you’re going to sign Chapman to an expensive contract that no other team in mlb would have given him, thennnn why are we cutting the budget now??
Getting under the tax is understandable. Especially if we’re getting rid of Yaz, Wade, Flores, and the like. Those are the perfect cuts to make to save money on the payroll. Its addition by subtraction. They’ve been good Giants, we like those players, great guys. But they’re just not going to cut it if we’re going to try to beat the Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, Braves, Yankees, etc etc to get to the WS, or even just to get to the playoffs.
I just have a bad feeling that they’re going to cut those guys to save money.. and then *only* sign Kim for short or 2nd, maybe one of the big 3 pitchers… aaaand that’s it for this off-season. Makes me sick to my stomach thinking about it. If that’s all they do it will be *really* depressing.
They need to cut those listed players, perfect. Then sign Kim & 1 of the big 3 pitchers, sounds good. AND THEN they still need to go get another middle infielder (Adames along with Kim would be perfect!), *AND* a star outfielder!!
We need a Shortstop, 2nd baseman, AND a 3-4-5 hitting star outfielder (Santander, trade for Luis Robert, or something similar).
We badly need those 3 spots filled, an not just by average players like the last 6 years as they’ve done. We desperately need *STAR* 3-4-5 hitters who can drive in runs, hit situationally, etc.
We don’t even need Soto.. in fact it would be better if we didn’t get him. Because we need 3-4 really good hitters/defensive fielders to make this team playoff competitive. Just getting Soto and nothing else won’t help this roster… we need too much for one player to take up all their available free agent budget.
But, makes me sick to know that they’re not going to give up draft picks to sign someone like Adames or Santander who have qualifying offers.
All they’re going to do is get Kim and 1 big pitcher. Ugh 🤮
We need so much more than that.
Screw the 2nd rd and 5th rd draft picks.. Go sign Kim AND Adames to lock up short & 2nd. Then go trade for a star 3-4 hitting outfielder (Robert or similar).
Us fans don’t necessarily want them to just ‘spend more and more and more money.’ It’s not about how much is spent.. it’s about how well they’re building the team. Chapman is not a cleanup 4 hitter on a playoff contending team. He’s a good player. But he’s a good *ROLE* player, not the main guy who hits 4th every day. He needs to be hitting in the 6-7 spot because there are stars hitting in the 4-5 spots ahead of him for this team to be competitive.
Oh and Brody.. you’d rather ‘draw from within?’ We don’t have anyone from within who is as good as Soto, or Adames, or Santander, or Luis Robert, or etc etc etc…. THAT’s why ‘us fans’ want to acquire talent from outside the organization. We need to get better immediately, or rebuild entirely. Pick a lane Giants. We don’t mind rebuilding and going young. And we don’t mind spending and competing now.
What we DO mind is this constant cruising in the middle lane with average, aging veterans like Slater, Yaz, Wade, Flores, etc etc etc.
I’ll ask again, What the F is the plan right now Giants?!!? Rebuild and go young, or spend intelligently and compete now?
ENOUGH with this average-veteran- .500 - hope and pray for the 3rd wildcard spot every damn year BS. Seriously.
Who PLANS to AIM FOR the 3rd wildcard every year?! We’ve had it.
Posey needs to come out and tell the fanbase CLEARLY what the plan is for this upcoming season, and going into the next few seasons.
Does the front office even know what the plan is anyway??? *IS* there a plan at all???
very nice final thoughts!! your last point is a good strategy for the giants
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…..decent defense…and power….Im afraid he’s going to be gone…I’m 69 yrs. Old…Red Sox fan back with YAZ,Rice,Lynn,Fisk…etc.
……..I was impressed with Mike toiling in the minors for years not giving up….plus being the grandson of Carl….cool stuff…
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spending smarter - no more $15 M contracts to the likes of Mitch Haniger
Yes, plus Conforto's production was subpar and Ray - terrible.
@@thomasjoseph3488the verdict is still out on Ray. Pitchers were fetching big deals last offseason, and acquiring 2.5 years of Ray also got them to ditch Haniger and DeSclafani. Those two roster spots allowed room for guys like Birdsong and Ramos, and the Mariners took on almost all of the ~$40M owed to Haniger and Disco.
If Ray can be a serviceable 4th starter who eats up 150 innings for two years, I think the trade ends up a victory for the Giants
I'm sure Mariners fans would agree
@@thomasjoseph3488 wish Giants would stop signing injured players. Please don't sign Kim who has severe shoulder issue.
That’s just dumb, why are they even in the MLB 😂
We not only want to win Brodie we want to have fun with great players we can get behind, and not a bunch of Brett Wiseley’s (no disrespect). Point is when we already spent less % wise than the dodgers on payroll, and then we suck while dodgers win the WS, why would any fan be happy about now committing even LESS. We were already committing way less than our target…
fair point, I think it goes like this:
1) win a lot
2) have relatable team/players
3) .....
4) care about spending
The problem with the farm system is it seems that all these players that get all this hype haven't really seemed to pay off at least in S.F. They hyped up Joey Bart for how many years just to finally let him go.
yeah... back in the day... almost every prospect seem to "hit" at the mlb level.
@@brodiebrazil They had a run for a while but have totally blew it the last few years. They have not put the effort into drafting the right players.
Red Sox must trade for Mike Yaztrzemski! 😎
Giants just need to clean house and re build once and for all, stop trying to get a quick fix. Star FA are just not coming to SF unless they want to rebuild their value. Giants just need to invest in the minors and build from within.
It sure sounds like multiple MLB teams are in some from of financial trouble, 2 teams are 4 sale, the cardinals had to give away free tickets,
I have even been skipping through some NHL Highlights at Sportsnet since the season started , usually a very very loyal fanbase across the entire league --- seeing a lot of empty seats at many arenas , different teams --- not sure about NBA and NFL --- but seems to me like someone commented recently --- they have priced out regular working class fans everywhere , and i am not just talking playoffs.
People struggle to pay rent / mortgages.
What's the first thing they cut ?
Unnecessary expenses --- new purchases , vacations , eating out , attending concerts , attending pro sports.
But honestly i am just speculating...
Giants are not in trouble, they just need a different approach. Actually are in the top 10 on profitability. They just can’t get FA to come to SF and don’t have the minors yet to build so why spend the money. That’s more the issue. They get boatloads of money from Mission Bay development that they don’t have to share with anyone, so they are ok. They just need a different approach.
Attending pro sports is only for the rich and has been for some time. Sure, a lot of us regular folks still buy in to the charade but that's becoming less and less. What these billionaires want is the rich people at the stadiums and the poor people at home watching it on TV...and they are winning.
For me, I think it all depends how they spend their money this off-season. Getting under the luxury tax makes sense no matter what direction they take. This team isn’t one free agent away from bonafide contention. Giving up draft picks to sign Adames and doing nothing else doesn’t make a ton of sense, nor does the Farhan “spend ~$15M on a bunch of decent veterans” strategy.
And if they cut guys like Yaz, Wade, and Doval without replacing them, that also doesn’t make sense. They just gave Chapman $151M, so penny pinching doesn’t make sense if there’s not a young replacement in-house.
If the 2025 Giants are a playoff team, it’ll be due to a slew of young guys stepping up and solidifying into a core they can build around. Their spending should help the 2025 team be better without saddling the 2026 and beyond team from making splashes when their window of contention is hopefully sustainable.
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@ you’re darn tootin’ I am. My username is a mix between the X-Wing fighter pilot Jek Porkins and Rashida Jones’ character Ann Perkins from Parks & Recreation
@@AnnPorkins I totally disagree. I think if you stick with the philosophy of, we’re gonna have three or four aces on the staff and just lights out pitching department and we’re gonna have a decent above average or just average offensive lineup with good defense you’re gonna win in that park it’s been proven. It’s not some mystery have Logan Webb have Robbie Ray have Kyle Harrison and have one other big name star like a Max Frey or even a mixtures are like in five years ago, but if you don’t have three bona fide All-Star aces on this team, this is just not gonna work it’s just that simple so spend the money but spend it on aces that will win new gamesand not be hurt all the time Kyle Harrison I hope it will be good but the perfect example is Logan Webb Day day out he is gonna give you everything he has which is probably seven or more.
@ I agree that they would be wise to deepen the pitching staff, and having several ace-like starters would offset some offensive shortcomings. But it seems like you’re lumping Ray and Harrison with Webb, and that I disagree with. Harrison certainly has the upside to develop a lot more, but he’s no sure bet to be anything other than a one-trick pony who’s a fifth starter. And Ray has been nothing but hurt and league average since his 2021 Cy Young. It’s not impossible for him to bounce back to that level, but I think 150 innings of league average pitching is about all we can expect from him - anything more is gravy.
I stand by my comment about the 2025 team being successful if the young guys take the next step, and I think it applies even if the Giants manage to get an ace like Snell/Burnes/Fried and a short stop. They’ll continue to be a roughly .500 team if the rotation is just Webb, Snell, and the production they got from everyone else past year. But if Birdsong and/or Harrison turn into bonafide studs, that’s a huge development of its young crop of players. Similarly, if they can give Jordan Hicks enough extra days off, I think he could sustain success as a starter. That would be a boon as well.
If they get even more production out of a handful of guys like l Ramos, Fitzgerald, Jung-Hoo Lee, and Bailey, that’s another in-house youth-based development that will bode well for them improving as a club. That was the point of my last paragraph, and that’s almost completely dependent on how the younger guys step up - not who they spend money on to join the team. The team could land a few quality free agents and still struggle to go beyond .500 if their young guys don’t step up. On the other hand, the front office could disappoint and do nothing this offseason and the Giants could still be a better team than 2024 if many of those young guys step up. Therefore, I think the key to the Giants in 2025 is largely already on the roster, for better or for worse.
Love your channel my man keep up the great work. The taxes that all these California teams are paying are sky rocketing. That’s millions of dollars.
If Giants fans are worried about austerity measures they should try being a Reds fan. We have been living under that for decades.
The fan base doesn’t necessarily want the team to spend lots on free agency, but if representatives are going to say their goal is to be a playoff team, that’s what they need to do. If they wanted to take a real risk to make the team better, they would be more explicit about building from within and immediately and clearly say they aren’t going to pursue guys like Soto. That said, Roki Sasaki is someone they should strongly pursue, because he’s good, he’s young, he will add Japanese fans and media, and the Giants might as well choose to tank, if he goes to another NL West team (except the Rockies).
You speak for you only lol I think 99 % of fans are so sick of the new A’s
@ comparing the Giants to the A’s is BS… even under Zaidi.
Why because you think the A’s are some poor team I hate to inform you their owner is like one of the richest if not the second richest owner in baseball they choose to be cheap as heck and so they think they can still win games draft great talent, which they did but then traded away every year Brentson repeat I cannot be a fan of that kind of BS. The Giants are following and have been the ownership group of the A’s in terms of being extremely fragile puttingprofits and money before winning, which is just gonna get you average the Niners, the Warriors and the other teams like that that spend and then ask themselves, how can we spend and improve the team to win not how can we make money and still win? It’s the ownership and philosophy group mindset that’s killing this team and it will hold it back. it does not change.
@ there is so much wrong with all that. Until the Giants cut their payroll to the bottom third of the league, your statements are complete BS.
In Buster, I trust
Even if Soto was enticed to consider the Giants, the Giants need to build out this team ready to accommodate him which is effectively the infield. Soto negotiations could go into 2025 before a decision is made so sort out other FA priorities beforehand. Most of the signings last time around looked to be more reactionary rather than methodical.
Honestly, Soto is like a 1% shot in coming to SF. Left handed sluggers (that aren't Barry Bonds) are disadvantaged at Oracle Park. They're coming of a 'mid' season and also, Soto would have to give up #22 as it's a retired number (Will Clark). Not too many boxes being checked off. It would be the contract and a massive overbid to land him.
I really hope the first memory in the "memory making business" isn't gutting payroll though.
Giants need to get Adames or Kim, SP, and a power bat, then see what we have in Eldridge, Matos and McCray.
... The Giants can't spend their way into contention rite now... GETTING JUAN SOTO WOULD NOT MAKE THEM A CONTENDER.
1 player is not going to fix this team, the Giants Rotation is a fucking mess... You have Webb, a lot of you would say Robby Ray... WELL GUESS WHAT, I am not going to assume Robby Ray goes back to being a Cy Young type guy till I see it. I think that SOME of the Kids like Birdsong have potential, but they are also unproven, we tried Hicks as a starter and he couldn't last the season, as many people (including me) predicted, and Snell Left.
Logan Webb
Robby Ray???
Hayden Birdsong???
Jordan Hicks???
Kyle Harrison???
Mason Black???
Landen Roupp???
Keaton Winn???
DOES ANYONE THINK ADDING CORBIN BURNS WOULD MAKE THE GIANTS A LEGIT COMPETITOR TO THE DODGERS WITH THESE ROTATION OPTIONS? Say they also signed Juan Soto, do you think that Juan Soto by himself fixes the Giants offense... Opposing teams would just walk him, you think Matt Chapman is sufficient line up protection to keep that from happening? Those 2 together will DOUBLE the payroll... you won't be able to do anything else, you will be over the cap and that will limit what you can do in international signings... Free agents aren't how you build a team, they are how you put the finishing touches on a team that is already close, to put you over the top. IF we find out that Birdsong and Roupp and Harrison are all what we hope they could be ALL OF THEM, AND Robby Ray bounces back and has a good season, the Giants will have a legit rotation, does anyone think that that is going to happen? Does anyone think that literally every one of those guys is going to pan out and be at least a middle of the rotation guy? If you get lucky 1 of the rooks pans out and Ray has a good season, combine that with Webb and they got 3 pitchers... YOU NEED MORE LIKE 6, how many guys not named Logan Webb make 32 starts a year boys... You need 5 starters and a backup starter who can be in the pen for spot starts... Corbin Burns by himself only helps if at least 3 of the rooks pan out AND Robby Ray bounces back.
This team isn't close enough for Juan Soto to put them over the top... even with Corbin Burns. They might be a playoff team, but they wouldn't make it out of the first round, and they would have so much money tied up in 3 players that they wouldn't be able to do anything meaningful FOR YEARS. The Giants need to play the rooks, see if any of them are worth anything, bring up Eldridge and see if he is what we hope he is, IF the stars align and Ramos isn't a flash in the pan, Jung-Hu Lee plays more like he did in Korea, Harrison and Birdsong work out, Bailey manages to last a whole season rather than falling apart at the all-star break Chapman can prove that he isn't starting to decline like most players do at 32... Do you see the problem... If everything works out perfectly (which is completely unrealistic) then maybe free agents put you over the top in 2026... The Giants are not anywhere near close enough for free agents to make them contenders... We need to play the kids and find out how close we really are, or how far, if a bunch of them pan out then maybe trades put us over the top in 26, if not then maybe it's time to trade Webb and just start over...
This is a time to capture some A's fans, but instead they're going for another sub .500 team. I"m sick of their ownership taking the low road, and this includes Buster. We're not even putting a team that can compete in our own division, and we're just letting the dodgers run a muck. I'm sick of the ownership, and I'm sick of the MLB letting owners get away with not keeping teams competitive
For the 3,456,789th time:
Signing someone like Soto only works if the Giants were the proverbial " one player away from World Series contention "- the Giants are at least three players away.
Oracle Park punishes hitters, getting a Soto-type hitter won't happen in free agency, it will take a trade-or developing/drafting one.
Oracle Park, while not as cold as Candlestick Park, still gets cold at night. Many players don't like playing in cold weather. Fact of life, another reason free agents won't necessarily come to San Francisco.
Invest in better player development and scouting, and PLAY THE KIDS. The kids may have an upside. There's no quick fix
good point about soto & "one player away" mentality... for sure.
Giants are more then just three players away. They need a rebuild and not a quick fix. Soto not coming here anyway, players don't want to sign in SF for a number of reasons. Quality of life is one, and that is not changing unless the people finally wake up.
That “one player” is 5/6/7 wins. Add that to the eighty wins from ‘24-if they don’t screw over the fans and keep the team intact-and that’s a serious shot at the playoffs.
@joksal9108 that one player can't improve the defense, find a shortstop, and two more starting pitchers. WAR is the worst statistic ever created
@@michaelbaucom4019But they still won eighty games with all those issues. It makes no sense to go into rebuilding mode, and justifying cutting payroll means you’re being played by the Giants FO.
Also, yes we can’t take out money on our asset. But also let’s not pretend like the Giants haven’t paid off their mortgage!! It’s just overhead now they’re rolling around in money please don’t do fans dirty and make it seem like it’s okay for them to commit less than they reasonably can!😢
@@user-fc9fg5ix2x it’s this simple look at the Dodgers look at the 49ers look at the Warriors. Do you think that their ownership is thinking how can we win but also make money no they wanna win and figure out the money later. It is not non-issue so I’m sick of hearing all this bullshit if you own a professional sports team that is a franchise and recognizes the SF Giants you cannotat all give your fan base the perception that money is always gonna be an issue. The Dodgers jump the Warriors don’t the Niners don’t if they don’t win they go out and get someone like Christian McCaffrey like I’m sick of this crap it’s just minor rookie
Cutting costs is not a sign of collusion but is a sign of changing economic dynamics from the loss of RSNs. I remember a time when the Giants won the World Series in 2010, 2012, 2014. The Giants actually play in San Francisco not San Jose, Santa Clara and sorry folks Oakland. Warriors play in San Francisco over Oakland. Go Oakland cricket 🏏, Ballers and other alternative sports teams in Oakland.
Cutting back..more? Seems to me the gnats need to spend more now tjhat they own the whole MLB Bay Area now that the Green & Gold chose to leave
More fans to stadium means more spending on merchandise and concessions. I don’t see how they lost money. Those seats wouldn’t have been bought. Also the merchandise and concessions wouldn’t have been sold. Giants are making money don’t let the bundles or free tickets mislead you to think the Giants not making money.
The Giants had the Bay Area to themselves from 1958 to 1967 then shared the market with the Oakland Athletics from 1968 to 2024. FJF FJF FJF
Anyway, Giants should try to lure Oakland fans to their ballpark.
10th overall payroll in 2024. But really - how far low can it get? Definitely won't be 64 million like The Oakland A's. Whatever it may be, much like anything else out there. There are happy groups and unhappy groups about there is no major league competition in the BayArea for the NFL and MLB.
Buster Posey boss now 😂
Jeez, they have the whole bay area to themselves and they still wont spend.
They have no business spending big bucks on players. Field a team for a reasonable amount of money. Thinking a total payroll of $110 million. Most importantly go to work on your minor league system
Have lousy season, cut payroll.
Complete disrespect for your fanbase.
Posey/Chapman were boob bait moves for PR. They’re not trying to be competitive-esp in the NL West.
It’s important not to take team comments about revenue/profits at face value. We never see the actual numbers, and you don’t want to be reduced to being a mere spokesman for MLB teams, like the guys at MLBTR.
Yup that’s how most fans feel. None of this hooorayyyy Tyler Fitzgerald
They can make moves to release payroll to give them more $$. However if they don’t get sign or trade to improve to compete I guarantee it will start reflecting in their ticket sales at some point. This economy it’s tough. So it can also hurt their pockets if the team isn’t good. I know I won’t travel several hours to watch mediocrity. Not sure if they just saying that till they see what the product Posey can put together.
I have faith in Buster, if you look at all the teams he was on for world series champs it was a lot of internal players they drafted who worked their way into the line up, the likes of Cain, Buster, Belt, Crawford, Madbum, and then they added a piece here and there on free agents and trades but they never went after the big name players at that time.
Carlos Beltran disagrees
exactly I agree - their best years and runs were built from within first
@@brodiebrazil Beltran cost them Zack Wheeler. That was a disastrous trade
lol what a joke Lamont wade 3 million to shed lol omg so sad
Unfortunately not every team can spend as lavishly as the Los Angeles Dodgers... MLB should have a hard SALARY CAP, but doesn't... This useless LUXURY TAX is a joke as it does not trim the Los Angeles Dodgers spending habits...
@@ronclark9724 impossible. MLBPA would never agree
@@stevekassel3301 No problem... If they don't want to play, someone else will... BREAK THE UNION!!!!
@@ronclark9724 while i sympathize with you ... look up what happened with the 90s lockout and the replacements they wanted to bring in to play ..... sometimes dudes who had full time jobs and hadn't even played as a hobby the last 2-3 years !
Pro sports in general - MLB , NBA , NFL , NHL , European Football with EPL & UCL , probably even Cricket in India , F1 , PGA Golf , etc. --- in terms of wages --- the genie simply has gotten completely out of the bottle and is very had to get back in ( barring a major world economic crisis like China going after Taiwan etc. ).
You’re welcome to watch the TV show that is the NFL if you want a cap. Most of us want a competitive sport, thanks.
@@ronclark9724Idiot.
What I take away from this segment is that Giants ownership are complete morons. Under Zaidi, the team has eroded their foundation to complete dependance on min-maxing the roster they DO have (which is mostly replacement level guys) to try and put up a facade of competitiveness. Without that min-maxing and nowhere near enough high-end talent, this team is primed to COLLAPSE next year or in 2026. Yet we don't rebuild OR overpay for the actual needle moving talent that can push the Giants over.
Why did the Giants commit SO much money to Chapman if they are CUTTING the budget!? Chapman is not a foundational player, yet he is objectively their best position player going into next year. This team may have dumped Zaidi, but the team still has ZERO direction or conviction to do what is needed to make the team a contender. And LORD Posey is not going to change that, especially in a year or two. I WOULD call the farm system a BIG problem. We were ranked LAST in the latest farm system rankings which is WORSE than when Zaidi took over. I think we are at least 3 years away from having a chance of being relevant and that is a scathing indictment on the Giants as a franchise.
lol
It wont make a difference. The Giants will be the 4th best team in the NL West. Since Farhan took over they should've been doing a rebuild, but Farhan was and is so bad that they screwed that up. It's what happens when you have hire someone who doesn't understand baseball and the business. Buster understands baseball and will surround him with the correct people they will get back under the cap and hopefully not bring back all the ARB garbage that they currently have. Flores, bye, Yaz bye, Wade bye bye Doval bye bye and Rogers get out of here. All the ARB guys are so bad and wouldn't do anything on any other rosters. They are all JV public school player trying to make the West Catholic League Varsity teams... They don't have any business wearing that uniform.
Completely false
@ how’s is that false? Name one player on the giants roster that would start on LA SD or AZ? I’ll wait….. nobody
Matt Chapman, Helios Ramos, obviously those rosters are more talented but not zero starters
@@km-lr7wj Chapman yes, but Ramos I mean maybe a DH somewhere but not a top 10 DH by any means or top 20 outfielder.
@@stevekassel3301 how do you figure this is completely false? At any point during the last two seasons were the Giants anywhere close to being the 2nd best team in the division?
Good. Their fans don’t deserve a competitive roster
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Gigantes living rent-free in your Mickey Mouse brain
@ vagiants fans trying to lecture dodgers fans about winning chips? Totally made my day sweety 😘
Your teams rings in the 21st century are fraudgelent. Giants didn’t have to suck the leagues dick off and burn unlimited money to have a dynasty 😂😂
@@mm4forever sure, talk about winning titles when your last one was 1986?🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@ well if your mind is that dull that you have a year of amnesia than I think the clown is you bro. Btw that title you reference was 88😅. The laughs are great btw keep em
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