When it comes to Dumbledore I would say for each secret he reveals he hides at least 9 others... so we'll probably never know his true intentions but I enjoyed your theory!
If it wasn't out of hubris, I do think that he did it for a primary reason: to make it easier for Snape to kill him. In order to completely fool Voldemort, something drastic needed to be done, and Snape earning the Dark Lord's allegiance completely was necessary. If Dumbledore simply doomed himself to a slow painful death by wearing the ring, for Snape psychologically, it would have been more about putting a friend out of their misery, rather than a brutal killing. Also Dumbledore knew he was getting old, and what else could he do in his old age if he knew he couldn't kill/end Voldemort directly (because Harry was destined to)? He made himself into a chess piece for the posthumous conclusion of his plan to kill Voldemort. I think that this is further reinforced by the fact that he acted very self-sacrificially in many other ways in Harry's last years before the downfall of Voldemort: he was the most powerful wizard in the world, but could do nothing with all his might to destroy Tom Riddle. That was Harry's job. So he put his life to use for "the greater good" by making it easier for Snape to carry out his plan.
Exactly the thing it is and people don't get it "harry was destined to kill voldemort" nobody else could've done it, people dont get it and keep on blaming dumbledore to be a manipulator who kept harry as a pig for slaughter whereas he gave harry 3 of the hallows not telling him directly so he could survive voldemort in the end and come back to finish him again after finishing all of his horcruxes
@@RapBeeFS_ next time people blame dumbledore give them dudleys old one two!! XD.. but srsly and people say they are potterheads, when they dont even understand the depthness of dumbledore's actions
@@raghavparanjpe9556 yes! Harry would've died in book 1 from quirrels hands if he had been staying somewhere else than the dursley's and it was all because of dumbledore who analyzed lily's protection charm and worked on it so it continues to protect harry till he was 17
Yeah, and I think Snape should have done SOMETHING about it, I wish magic could clone people, so They could use a fake dumbledore and trick Voldemort into believing snape killed the Headmaster.
When he and harry was in the cave retrieving the locket, he even said that "certain" dark magic leaves traces, implying that he knew and he's sensitive enough to such traces.
As a side note, maybe Dumbledore's presence in harry's limbo is one important point to why Dumbledore planned his own death. It depends on your interpretation of that scene but maybe Dumbledore's death was necessary in order to wait for Harry and nudge him one last time in the right direction to finish off Voldemort. There is also the idea of the elder wand dying with him (but why not snap it in two!). The problem with using Dumbledore's words as evidence is that he is an extremely unreliable source of information. He always told people what was required for his ambitions to come true which was often not the truth.
My interpretation of harry's hallucination is just that. An entire hallucination. The real living dumbledore made it pretty clear that there is in no way a possibility for the dead to come back to life.
I think just like Dr Strange/Ancient One last time meeting in the Astral Plane it could have been a part of the Astral Plan tbh if there is a concpet of the soul there has to be some SORT Of Astral plane even in the Harry Potter universe
I like this theory, though I don't know how much foresight Dumbledore had to think he would get the chance to meet Harry in limbo, since I doubt even wizards knew what lied beyond death. Still glad it worked out thought! 😂
I think he strongly considered it a possibility that destroying the horcrux would destroy the stone at that time. Dumbledore's greatest desire was to see his sister and mom again and apologize. He also had an obsession for the deathly hallows. If he were to properly destroy the ring for all he knew there was a strong chance he would never get to see them again and do that. I think he put on the ring and did in fact see them again but at the cost of the curse spreading to such a fatal extent while he talked to them one last time.
I could believe this though once the magic of the stone is used the dead that "come back" don't leave until you yourself die. This means every time we see dumbledore his sister is there for only him to see
Dumbledore was obsessed with the Deathly Hallows… it’s what he sees in the mirror. His Ego got the best of him. His obsession actually caused all of it… if he didn’t have the invisibility cloak the potters would have escaped death. If he didn’t seek the wand his sister would have lived. His obsession mirrors Voldemort’s. Immortality- the desire took everyone he loved.
I agree. Dumbledore himself many times admit he sometime arrogant, selfish. Yes, he been trying his whole life to be a better man, a great man but deep down - we, as human, stay the same. And in a right moment, our ego got the best of us.
I have an idea for a possible video. Special Awards for Services to the School, who received it and how they received it. I imagine the video would be relatively short, but still interesting to discuss
@@ravenestrella2310 I didnt say he deserved it i'm just naming the only 3 people who happen to have special rewards to the school. Tom for "finding" the culprit to the chamber of secrets and then harry and ron for actually finding the culprit
@@alastorclark3492 don't quote me on this, but i think Voldemort's award was revoked when the "real" culprit behind the attacks (the Basilisk) was found. which means that when Dumbledore gave the award to Harry & Ron, he also revoked it from Voldemort.
I can see some parallels with the Lord of the Rings One Ring, which tempts even the strongest minds like Gandalf and Galadriel to put it on. Perhaps that’s an effect from the curse and Dumbledore couldn’t help but use it the moment he obtained it.
Not sure there's evidence the ring "tempted" someone to put it on, but the other Horcrux' certainly had parallels. The locket was slowly influencing its wearers turning them evil. In fact, the "One Ring" is essentially a horcrux because Sauron poured part of his own soul into it which is why he couldn't be destroyed while it still existed. I'd say the entire Horcrux idea is likely taken from LOTR but with the twist of having several of them.
Your theory brings to mind my original thoughts when I first read those scenes in the book. Dumbledore (to me) appeared to be tired of always fighting against magical evils, never getting to rest, and just tired of life. I think he was ready to die, see his family again (especially his sister) and to have a good long rest. The added bonuses were to setup Harry to find the remaining Horcruxes and ready to confront Voldemort in the end (game)! Just a thought.
Maybe like with the locket there is a protective charm where you have to either drink the potion or wear the object in order to break the defence of the Horcrux. Why should Voldemort just let it lie there to be destroyed without putting on a fight?
maybe coz voldemort never thought that anyone would know that he made hocruxes, since for that we would have to go in his past, which not many people knew.
I really like this theory. It makes sense. I also wonder whether or not the resurrection stone had its own influence. We know from the tale of the three brothers that the stone itself was designed to lead its holder to death one way or another. Perhaps this is how the stone attempted to end Dumbledore‘s life? Just like the second brother, who desired to rejoin his deceased wife, Dumbledore wanted to join his deceased family. The stones magic gave him the extra push to try to make that happen.
I've always questioned this myself but I believe he put it on so he could see his loved ones, knowing that destroying the ring could destroy the magic of the stone itself in the process. So in order to see his family he must first use the stone before attempting to destroy it, and knowing his days were numbered anyways he could do so without fear of death.
He would have turned it 3 times to use it not put on the ring. He did do this to after putting on the ring as he gave it to harry knowing that it works
I think it’s far more likely that the ring had some sort of requirement to either retrieve it or destroy it such as the locket did. All head canon but it would make sense that Dumbledore had to put the ring on in order to destroy it. If he had wanted to kill himself just for the sake of seeing his loved ones, there are many other ways to do that. But that’s all just a guess /shrug
I think it goes back to the fact that Dumbledore realized that he was asking to much of the people around him. Maybe ordering snape to kill him when he was healthy would have been to big of an ask. However if he was already dying he could spare Snape that guilt. This only makes sense if we believe that snape mattered a great deal to Dumbledore. He needed Voldemort to trust snape completely in order for him to further protect harry and defeat Voldemort. For Dumbledore's plan to work it wasn't just important for Harry and himself to die, but to die at the hands of the right people.
I like your theory on this one and the detail of your videos. I have always thought the horcrux would have toyed with his weakness for the hallows, especially the resurrection stone. All the time alone in his office with this part of Voldemort’s soul could not have been easy even for a powerful wizard like Dumbledore, he had his flaws like we all do. His strength and power enabled him to break free of the curse in time to call Snape, to contain the spread and allow him to give Harry the final pieces of info he needed to start his quest.
I think it’s because he naturally craves power. For a moment, he had access to the final hallow and put it on a moment of weakness. I think it’s more fascinating that his death would be a result of his main weakness.
Yeah I agree, I think his obsession over the deathly hollows overcame him - He had the wand, he knew where the cloak was and I think in that moment he wanted to be sure it was the stone and he would then have access to all 3 hollows and could be the master of death
@@mojus2890 All 3 and he would be the master of death, he already had the wand, he knew where the cloak was and in that moment he also had the stone - that would have been the closest he had ever been to uniting the 3 deathly hallows which would make him the master of death
I think he could have a different reason. We know, that Voldemort tried to hide and protect his horcruxes. In the case of the medal, he made it sure if anybody find his treasure, to gain it, one must die. What if the ring had its own protecting charm, and the only way to destroy it was to wear it beforehand? Also because his past mistakes and his guilt toward Ariadna, he couldn't destroy it at once, so he couldn't call Snape immediatelly.
I vote for your theory, Voldemort would require the horcrux to be worn before being destroyed. But also how about this: Obviously Dumbledore knew this and still did it, is there any chance that sacrificing himself to destroy Voldemort in this way would have a minor general protective effect on those loyal to Dumbledore after his death? When Lily & James sacrificed themselves directly for Harry they also destroyed 1/8 total soul pieces (Voldy + 7 horcruxes) and made a protective enchantment. So it's plausible if you agree with the first theory.
The ring wasn't required to be worn to destry it. The book is clear. Snape asks him why he put it on: "Dumbledore: "I... was a fool. Sorely tempted..."" If the ring HAD to be put on that Dumbledore would have said "I had no choice..."
@@photonboy999 But saying he had no choice to Snape would only invite more questions. It's more than clear Dumbledore would never reveal his true intentions mostly.
I think he just made a rare misstep and overestimated his ability to control the effects of putting the ring on. He himself has stated that he is not infallible, as he succumbed to the effects of the potion that he had to drink to obtain the locket as well.
He put the ring on because Rowling needed him to die, he was just too powerful. Of course in the book she writes that Dumbledore lost his head when he saw the ring, but the truth is Rowling knew she had created such a powerful wizard that she would have to kill him at some point. Otherwise, all the struggle the main characters go through in deathly hallows wouldn't be there...
Well yeah ofc its for plot, but the explanation givin in the book is still a lie. The Dumbledore in kings cross is a memory repeating incorrect memories that harry already assumes he knows.
I have a theory. In the deathly hallows, Dumbledore mentions to Snape that the sword must be taken in circumstances of extreme courage and chivalry. What is more courageous than almost dying while destroying a horcrux? So maybe Dumbledore put on the ring to put himself in danger, thereby summoning Gryffindor's sword.
@@Piou_le_petit_ours we are told so. But again, it was snatched by Griphook the goblin while Harry and others visit the Lestrange's vault in Gringotts. However, Neville was able to pull it out of the sorting hat to kill Nagini. So maybe Dumbledore did something similar to destroy the horcrux in the Gaunt's house. This is just a theory.
In the book "Deathly Hallows", Dumbledore plainly stated that he "quite forgot that the ring was a horcruxe and thought for a moment that he would see his family and apologize". Not much gray area there.
Sure there is. Even though he fails to quote this correctly its okay for him to be disatisfied with the answer since the "dumbledore" in kings cross is a figment of harry's imagination
dumbledore is dead and burried on the castle grounds during this supposed convo. The LIVING dumbledore did quite plainly state that there is no coming back (in any way)
@@alastorclark3492 what you're saying is book one, that could easily have been Dumbledore telling a 10 year old that to not make them go on a seemingly fruitless journey, searching for the resurrection stone. Based on the deathly hallows story, it's a miserable existence for the dead to be back in that form, he would never encourage Harry toward allowing that fate for Harry or his parents. I truly believe he was human in that moment and lost himself. The most powerful wizard in the world is still human. Emotions are strong.
I have always wondered how the greatest wizard on earth could make such a rookie mistake. Granted Dumbledore spoke of the mistakes of old age in the order of the Phoenix already, but he was much too wise to just put on a Horcrux. I think he felt guilty for his past and also for knowing that he "raised" Harry just for him to die. But I also believe that Dumbledore's sacrifice was necessary for Harry to go through with it. Harry's biggest weapon was love and he Dumbledore was his mentor. He was the one who taught Harry about Horcruxes and the Prophecy. Dumbledore had to die for Harry to realize that the fight was real and he had to end it. Dumbledore was always there to protect him and shield him from harm but now Harry was on his own, having to figure it out for himself. I think that exactly is what made him so strong.
I think there's two big reasons why the straightforward explanation is correct: 1. Its hard to imagine an archetype that lends itself more to the role of "Reliable narrator" than "Ghost of a dead mentor confessing his sins amid exposition". 2. A fictional "Smart character" can only ever be as smart as the one writing him, and while I'm not gonna dunk on Rowling, it does seem like the kind of thing that she would write and have as a canon action of her "Smart character".
why would he lie about that its like the part where he comes clean about everything its not farfetched at all to imagine someone with so much guilt for quite a few moments forget himself
Now that ive seen this video it got me thinking, and i thought of something myself. What if the resurection stone couldn't be used because of the curse, and dumbledore knowing that harry was a horcrux as well as the best chance to get rid of voldemort, decided to not only break the horcrux ring, but also break the curse so harry could use it when the time was right.
I like your "kill multiple birds with one stone" comment, but think you have attributed it to different reasons than I do. Dumbledore always saw multiple avenues of "the future" throughout the stories. Very early on he saw that Harry would need to voluntarily "die" to ultimately defeat Voldemort. Also, that Harry would need to talk with him in Kings Cross Station prior to the confrontation - which Harry wouldn't do as long as there was someone else (his mentor) around to be in charge. He needed to make things easier on Snape as you have pointed out. He needed to trick Voldemort into thinking he'd already won by defeating Dumbledore, so that V would become careless and make some necessary mistakes. He needed to not use The Elder Wand in an act of violence (destroying V), have it buried with him with no one knowing it was actually The Wand of Destiny, to never be dangerous again, which also had the extra value of blocking the Deathly Hallows from ever again giving so much power to one person. The wand would be gone, he knew Harry would dispose of the Stone in the Forest (had seen it in the possible futures), and the Cloak would just become a super-good tool that was relatively benign out in the world. As Andrea Gomez says in the answer below here, he logically turned himself into a chess piece to move the game in the direction he thought would have the most optimal preferred outcome. Not emo, logical.
would indicate his success in tracking down Voldemort's past-both to help encourage Slughorn to return to Hogwarts, and to help persuade him to turn over the correct version of the memory of Slughorn talking to Riddle about Horcruxes.
It's interesting because by sacrifcing himself he could not only save Malfoy, but make Snape more valuable spy and break the Elder Wand's power which actually didn't work because of Malfoy's disarming him at the top of the tower. But why he didn't tell Harry this in limbo?? I am also curious if the Resurrection Stone worked because its power was stronger that than the Horcrux or the curse imposed on it.
I have a hard time imagining the original Dumbledore being able to play this role as the story turned darker. It’s almost like the change in actors was fate. The early years were a bit more child friendly then as they turn dark this Dumbledore is a better fit.
To take the locket he had to get poisoned so I guess to take the ring it was mandatory to wear it and get cursed. Just like with the locket this trap was set to incapacitate an intruder to figure out how somebody could possibly know about horcruxes.
I have a hard time believing he would just forget but I have an even harder time believing he would choose to die or risk himself knowing how much is at stake with the events just passed in OotP. I think it really shows his human side. That no matter how powerful a wizard or person you are, you can still succumb to emotion. I don't think he forgot but I think in his rush of emotion of finding it and thinking he's seconds from seeing his family after an abnormally long life, he put it on. As hard as it is to believe he could have this error in judgment, we know that he has had errors in judgment throughout the books let alone what we don't know so I feel it's more possible than him making what would be an extremely risky and selfish decision to end his life, whether in a year or right away, with so much at stake in the world and he being the best defense against Voldy
He likely thought with him in possession of the final one he would master death and to him as its master any curse wouldn't affect him. His ego finally caught up with him and it cost him everything. He had planned for Harry to die from childhood never believing he would die before his plan was finished.
I think Dumbledore put on the ring imagining that he now had all 3 deathly hallows, that he could master death. After all, it was his lifelong goal to his quest for power. A risky decision. Dumbledore only alludes to Harry that the tale is quite thrilling. I also think that Dumbledore needed to find a way to pass the elder wand on to Harry indirectly as Harry would never want to try and defeat Dumbledore for it himself. Harry is the one destined to destroy Voldemort, so Dumbledore needed to pass all 3 of the deathy hallows on to Harry before it was too late.
We know that Dumbledore would see his family whole and happy when he looked in the Mirror of Erised, making it very clear why he wanted to use the Resurrection Stone on the ring.
Dumbledore is really a great wizard. One of the best but off al people he is a flawed man. A man with a unbeareble guilt. And even so great as the Dumbledore could falter for finding a life long desire. I always thought he wanted to make amends in life before his death. He didnt knew which spell killed Ariana and it didnt matter. Dumbledore holds himself responsible. And maybe dumbledore did it also out of a selfish reason. He was maybe afraid his soul would be broken, cracked or split because of the death of ariana. Maybe he wanted to heal his soul before his death. I dont know for sure but repairing your soul is not possible when you die..
I like the idea that because he used the ressurection stone he was able to come see Harry in limbo and that if he didn't use the ring he wouldn't have been able to do that to guide Harry back to the living. He was raising Harry to eventually have him die and ever since he had this as his plan he was looking for the stone, he even says he changed his reasoning for wanting the stone. So with the stone maybe he realised what he had to do or knew how it worked because of past records of people using it and then decided he would die to allow all these events to unfold but also to help Harry come back.
I do wonder. Did Harry need to survive? Either Dumbledore made sure he would by making sure he had access to all three deathly hallows. Or from his mother’s sacrifice because it was Voldemort. Harry “greeted death like an old friend” thanks to Dumbledore and his master chess game with people’s lives. But just a theory. But say Harry stayed dead at that same moment. Neville still kills Nagini. Voldemort is still without his horocruxs. Everyone after Harry’s sacrifice is still protected by the love magic. Could anyone kill Voldemort in that moment?
Maybe it's for far simpler reasons. Dumbledore didn't want to let Snape know he was searching horcruxes. He found the ring and was trying to destroy it. So he tried many different ways and still nothing. Even tried the sword. Then he thought, maybe the ring needs to be put on to be able to break the curse Similar with the locket needed to be opened to be destroyed.) Him knowing that Snape could help with curse and also his own power to protect him, maybe he thought that was enough to protect him. He placed the ring on his finger, the curse was released (similar to the locket), he destroyed it with the sword, but, the curse was much more powerful than he thought. I like a lot of your theories but sometimes I think you go too far with them and it might be so much more basic. I like the idea that it was about family and the such, but Dumbledore seemed too wise and intelligent to make it this act all about family. I was driven mad at the idea the Voldemort had found a way to stay alive and be resurrected, the threat of the damage to the world Voldemort would do. All he wanted to do was get rid of Him. Anyways, that's what I think. Dumbledore wanted to keep from asking anyone's help, especially Harry's, in searching and destroying the horcruxes. Thought he was strong enough to be able to protect himself from the curse as he destroyed the ring.
The ring didn't need to be put on. Dumbledore said he was a "fool" to put on the ring. If it was required to be put on he would have instead told Snape "it was necessary" and Snape would have agreed. You said "him knowing that Snape could help with curse" doesn't make sense either. Snape was mad at him for taking too long to seek his help AFTER Dumbledore put on the ring and got cursed. No. Dumbledore was tempted to put on the ring. In an instant of stupidity that probably ties into his guilt over his sister's death and desire to see her again, he put on the ring.
the band of the ring was the horcrux not the stone ? -- the ring was "destroyed there on the desk " as Dumbledore used sword on it but Harry goes on to use the stone later with out ill effect -- this always seemed a bit confusing in the book
I also think he did it in an effort to allow the elder wand to die with him instead of passing into the ownership of the person who kills him, but ultimately this plan fails because voldermort found it was in its tomb
I do believe that dumbledore became weak and gave into his desire to see his family HOWEVER. I believe Dumbledore had to put the ring on to prove a theory or to destroy the ring. I imagine that Voldemort did something to the ring that required Dumbledore to put on the ring before he could destroy the horcrux. and Dumbledore could have chosen a longer, less sure way to destroy the ring but ultimately decided to sacrifice his life, destroy a horcrux, save malfoy and help severus and he would get to see his sister again. In his book the choice had all net positives.
I love how even though Dumbledore’s a good guy he’s not perfect like Gandalf for example(its an easy parallel) was just powerful bc he was a demigod but Dumbledore represents a more realistic idea of a successful person… hes kinda cocky and has been known to undercut people for his own gain despite him overall being a good man
It literally says in the book that he did it out of a combination of hubris and longing to see his dead relatives. It was a reckless moment not something planned to draw out Voldemort.
The words you are basing that off of came from an illusion of dumbledore by harry. Those are harrys words and he doesnt actually know he just presumes as much from what he learned about dumbledore
Nothing corrupts our true nature like guilt. The guilt he felt to his family and now Harry and even The Potter’s death. After, I think it became part of the plan.
I think it was necessary to wear the ring in order to destroy it. To make the Voldemort from inside the stone come out, just as he did from the diary and the locket, and strike the Horcrux then and there. Knowing that the curse would probably be deadly, Dumbledore wouldn't have asked anyone else to make the sacrifice, so he'd do it himself. This is how I see it.
Harry looked at Dumbledore as a protector. Remember when Granger said, “with Dumbledore around he won’t touch you.” Referring to Tom riddle. So Dumbledore made Harry fully independent and rely on his friends and his own skill.
My crazy thought when I saw that ring he wears is that as a powerful wizard, it's not just hoping to see his loved ones, but also attempting to destroy the ring from within. But sadly it doesn't, that's the same for Jedi attempting to destroy Sith artifacts by concentrating their will power to destroy them.
I don't think he knew it was a horcrux, or maybe he thought it could be, but wasn't sure. Maybe he was just collecting everything he could, not just memories, about Tom Riddle to try to figure out how to defeat him. There's a problem with the chronology here, if he already knew the ring was a horcrux, what was the point of luring Slughorn back to Hogwarts? Just to figure out that he created multiple horcruxes? I'm pretty sure he put the ring before Harry extracted the true memory from Slughorn. The part about making easier for Snape I'm pretty sure is in the Deathly Hallows book. IIRC it's not stated in the book he intentionally used the cursed ring, but he did argue with Snape that he would like for Snape to kill him, not Draco. He said something about preserving Draco's Soul, and Snape replied something like "what about my soul?", and Dumbledore replied something about "killing out of mercy"... not sure the exact words, it's been too many years ago and I read it in a different language.
He was a Death Eater--- but he was conflicted. your soul may be fractured or torn from a killing which you may do yourself or are complicit in-- but you don't have to create a horcrux. if you go by a Christian perspective, one's soul can be redeemed--we now know that in essence he was doing penance for 18 years. Not happily-- but to buy back what he brought about as a result of his own pain and resentment. One theory suggested that " you have to mean an unforgivable curse" and that Snape did the deed to save Draco's soul-- a noble sacrifice since it essentially meant he would shoulder the blame.
I see Voldemort, Dumbledore and Harry as the three brothers of the tale. The first wanted power, the second one wanted his loved one to como back to life and Harry just greeted death like an old friend
The guiding theme behind all 7 books love. love he loved and missed his sister All the power and wisdom in the world wouldn't stop someone from seeing someone they loved.
Dumbledore knew he had to die either way, coz malfoy had been sent to finish him and if malfoy failed then voldemort would have killed him which dumbledore didn't want, so the ring didn't leave any other option for dumbledore but to die, which was done by snape as dumbledore wanted for snape to truly gain allegiance of voldemort
Except that Dumbledore called himself a "fool" for putting on the ring. So that part wasn't really planned. It was a moment of weakness. Only AFTER did he work this situation into his plan to defeat Voldemort. When he let Malfoy defeat him he know Malfoy was now the Wand's master. He probably reasoned there was a CHANCE that Harry would fight Malfoy and be the Wand's master which led up to Voldemort's death. The Wand was really the ONLY plan that could actually defeat Voldemort. It's an imperfect plan because Harry would have to defeat Malfoy before Voldemort in turn gets the wand and fights Harry (without knowing Harry was its Master), but the only one that could work.
I heard a theory that since Dumbledore embraced death when Snape killed him, the Elder Wand lost part of its power. You know, it is like its owner finally made amends with Death and followed the example of the Younger brother. Could it be that Dumbledore did the same with the resurrection stone? His story is also very similar to the Second Brother. A loved one that he strived to see, an act of killing himself...
Sorry but idk if this question makes sense or not I was just curious about something that is mentioned in many theories that Dumbledore was death soo does this means he welcomed voldemort and snape in afterlife too like he welcomed harry?
I wonder if Dumbledoor had prophetic insight, or went into the future and saw what was to happen. He always knew about Harry being a horcrux. So if he had not died, when Harry was 'killed' and that part of voldomort was left dying in the afterlife, if Dumbledoor had not died and been there to guide Harry, Harry may not have known he could chose to return and finish the fight. So Dumbledoor did what he had to do to ensure at every stage voldomort was defeated.
I think back to the fact that Dumbledore turned down the Minister of Magic position because he didn’t trust himself with power. And he admitted that he was blinded by love for Grindewald which made him delay defeating him which would’ve saved lives. There’s so much textual evidence that Dumbledore is prone to making big mistakes centered around emotion or need for control. So why is it so out of the question that he lost himself and the chemical imbalance of endorphins that would follow finding both something you expected (a key to defeating Voldemort) and something unexpected (a treasure connected to seeing his parents and sister he’s wanted for literally a century) I would find that possibility more acceptable that he decided to finally pay for his sins and commit suicide. Let’s remember this incident caused him to want to get killed by Snape. If Dumbledore is healthy, why can’t he overpower Draco when he tries to assassinate him?
I find it interesting that the sword of G destroyed the ring as a Horcrux and Valdemort's curse upon it, and cracked the resurrection stone it contained, but did not destroy the stone's resurrection properties. We know that because the stone from the ring was then hidden by Dumbeldore in Harry's snitch left to him in his will, which finally "opened at the close" of Harry's life, allowing him to be encouraged by his dead parents and friends to face his own death without fear, just when he needed that most. And when Valdemort killed Harry, he destroyed his next to last Horcrux, and when Neville killed the snake Valdemort became mortal once more, just in time to repeat his failed duel to the death with Harry.
I've always found it odd that the ring was actually the only cursed horcrux that could kill by touching it. The trio could wear the locket for hours without dying. They got grumpy, but that was explained to be an effect of the horcrux itself, not of another curse. The trio also did not nearly die from touching the cup or diadem. The diary was meant to be used and thus did not kill Ginny or Harry when they touched it, although it did drain Ginny's life energy out of her in the end. In short, the ring was the only (inanimate) horcrux that was actually cursed to kill someone who'd touch or wear it, so the reasoning that "it's a horcrux, therefore it's cursed" is not actually valid for any other horcrux. Dumbledore already knew the diary was safe to touch without getting killed, so why should he have known about the ring being lethal?
Maybe the ring had to be put on the get the stone out - a bit like drinking the cursed water for the locket. And Dumbledore did this knowingly, and survived this, to make sure Harry would get the stone. Knowing Harry had the cloak, and access to his elderwand. And then the stone = Harry would be Master of Death when battling with Voldemort. And I have always reasoned that it was the reason Harry had the choice to come back from the dead (/white limbo thing) = because he was master of death.
I think that there is the possibility that he knew he would have to sacrifice himself in the cave while retrieving the locket. Or that being that him and Harry were going into the cave, one of them may not come out and he knew it had to be him because Harry had to push on and be the one to kill Voldemort. Therefore, he put on the ring with full knowledge of the risks due to it being cursed but was fully aware his life would come to an end one way or another once he went into the cave to retrieve the locket.
I think his primary reason for putting on the ring was so that he could retrieve the stone from it and give it to Harry because he had already figured out Harry was the Horcrux Voldemort never meant to make. Like the Golden Snitch, the ring had been enchanted so that only the one who wore it could retrieve the stone therein. Only Voldemort could put on that ring without suffering the curse he had placed on it which was why he felt it was safe to leave it at the Gaunt residence. Yes, giving Snape a good reason to kill him was also a motivation, one that I believe he thought would make Voldemort believe Snape was the Master of the Elder Wand. The night he died he allowed Draco to disarm him knowing that Draco would be recognized as the wands owner by the wand, but everyone else would believe Snape was.
I have some ideas not too different from this but I think it's in poor taste to suggest that Dumbledore started to kill himself and then reconsidered. Burdened or not (and it's fair to say he was) Dumbledore was not suicidal. I think he saw his guilt and reunion with his family as reasons not to fear death, but that doesn't mean they were reasons to take his own life. I do think Dumbledore saw how his death could help in all the ways you mentioned. Sparing Draco, sparing Snape, fooling Voldemort about Snapes loyalty, fooling Voldemort and everyone else about the loyalty of the elder wand. So I think he did curse himself as an insurance that events would unfold as planned, he marked himself for death and it was irreversible. In doing so there was no reason to deviate from killing him at the right time, instead of trying to spare him in a weaker moment. So really my only argument with the video is the difference between suicide and sacrifice, whether he put the ring on in a moment of weakness or strength.
Weirdest thing is that just yesterday I watched Harry potter and the half blood Prince and I wondered why did he put on the ring and today when I woke up I literally saw the answer in my notification bar 😂
A Harry Potter theory that has gripped me recently is..... was the Prophecy simply Trelawney being Trelawney, the only time in the book you see her do anything remotely close to that is when wormtail returns Trelawney's second prophecy, but in truth it really doesn't say alot and its really vert detail vague. As for the first one you could put the whole thing down to Voldemort simply simply acting on what was said.
I think like the potion that was put to guide the locket, Riddle may have put enchantment that the only way to get to the ring is to put it on your finger. I think that would make the most sense
Personally I think it’s a lapse of judgement and a case of a melancholy old man reacting like a man dying of thirst upon seeing an oasis but not noticing the sign reading “Danger - arsenic contaminated!”
One question: What impact does making a horcrux put on the magical abilities of the creator? Does splitting the soul reduce someone's magical abilities?
I am sure that it reduces some habilities, related to humanity and love. But since Voldie never had those kinds of feelings he probably never noticed any change
Personally I think he didn’t hesitate after seeing the resurrection stone combined with the Effects of the Horcrux (compelling the finder to put it on?). Then in the time he took to take it off and destroy it with the Sword it was too late for Snape to help. Also Dumbledore had the option to use the stone before placing it inside the golden snitch to see his family before he dies (giving him some peace possibly even before Snape’s arrival).
There is potentially an even greater purpose to Dumbledore's sacrifice which you may have touched on. Dumbledore probably did feel guilt at the loss of his family members and saw himself as being responsible in some ways for their deaths. But he did not intend them to die in the same manner he had intended all along to sacrifice Harry to destroy Voldemort. Had he simply destroyed the ring he might well have survived the coming war and Harry would be dead. Likely Dumbledore himself would have been the one to finally defeat Voldemort, deprived of horcruxes,only then to mourn Harry's loss. Imagine the guilt that would have haunted his remaining years. By mortally wounding himself in the manner he did he was not only able to save Malfoy and place Snape close to Voldemort, but he was able to save Harry as well. By preceding Harry into death, he was there to greet Harry at the train station, help him understand what had happened and instruct him that he indeed retained a choice as to whether to go back or go "on".
Perhaps weakening himself would have been important to make his death at Draco's hands seem more believable to Voldemort, but I don't think it was necessary for any version of the Snape-steps-in scenario, which is what Dumbledore, Snape, Draco's mom, and Bellatrix were all basically planning for (in that concern over Draco's ability to succeed led to Snape's unbreakable vow). Draco disarms Dumbledore and then it's kind of irrelevant if he's weakened or not (or if he expects Snape to save him or not); or in virtually any other way it could have played out, Snape just gets the drop on Dumbledore because Dumbledore trusts him. I don't think there were many ways things could have played out where Dumbledore's weakness would have been helpful to "sell" his death as unsuspicious.
I always looked at this has he actually just slipped up and his desire to bring his sister back and right the wrong that was more than likely his fault.Also I find it weird he never tried to make amends with his Brother because that would solve his grief or shame since the portrait of there sister that his brother had would allow him to see and be with his sister again
He did make amends with his brother or atleast they didnt totally hate eachother in later life. He didnt slip up. 100+ years obsessing over that stone and he just forgets you gatta turn it 3 times in your hand? Or that it wasnt originally a ring at all??
I think that dumbledores reasoning is 100% true. It only takes a second to put on a ring, its not like he was planning on putting it on before he found it. When discussing dumbledore its important to remember that, while he is very smart, he is still only a human and a very traumatized one at that. I think once he saw the ring and figured out that the resurrection stone was on it he had a moment where he thought he would genuinely be able to see his family again and put it on without thinking things through. Not to mention that we don't know what kinds of spells were put on the ring, there could have been something put on it like the locket where it makes you realize your insecurities and fears which may have made dumbledore more primed to put the ring on. Also I don't think your explanation really suffices as to why he put on the ring, because, yes he probably was ready for death and ready to see his family again, he didn't have to put the ring on to accomplish that. He could have just let snape kill him without going through the troubles of putting on the ring.
@@alastorclark3492 he wasnt really hallucinating though because in the harry potter universe the afterlife is something thats been demonstrated to be real
@@sebastianroehlk9536 Of course it is real that is no question, but within the same universe it is made quite clear that the living interacting with the actual dead is not possible. ghosts are after images, wand regurgitation is an imprint and the stone itself only produces loved ones as of through a veil and it is my personal belief that whatever the ring was designed for by cadmus its actual effects are to kill the user.
To be fair it actually makes sense, his weakness was his crave for power, he even admits it I think saying he knows his own obsession of power. If you really think about it, he was originally fascinated with becoming master of death. He asking James to “borrow” the invincibility cloak adds to my beliefs he got lost in thought and wanted to see the rings true power. Especially him being so obsessed with power, the one of three he wanted most, even over the elder wand, it makes sense how he lost a sense of composure. It’s literally his favorite of the three hallows ofc he’s gunna try to use it.
Eh I like to think it's similar to how the necklace effects ron, and this was really why dumbledore left the deluminator to him. Was that it effected him more and talked him into putting the ring on. I don't think we're ever really told how long it took dumbledore to put the ring on, so maybe while he was trying to work out how to destroy it (maybe hadn't worked it out yet) he got talked into putting it on by the ring itself, and that was then how he realised to destroy it, sort of like that just before you die scenario you find a way out. I think this is more feasible, as dumbledore hadn't really come across horcrux's in the past
I could be wrong, but on my recent re-read of the Deathly Hallows I got the impression that Dumbledore was "waiting" in purgatory - Harry's King's Cross - in order to guide Harry's choice to come back to life. If that is true, then even in death he wasn't able to see his family right away. Part of me kind of wants to take Dumbledore at his word. It makes him a more flawed, deeper, character because of it.
Fairly sure the magic of the stone requires physical touch to "work". Putting the ring on isnt what kills you its physically touching it. If he put it on with a glove under it i think he'd have been fine.
Maybe he tried to turn the ring 3 times in hand and it didn't work as a ring or hucrox, and kind of in a frenzy to see his sister, he thought to try the Resaurection Stone once as a ring before having to destroy it. Idk
I would like to see a storyline about the pensieve where the vials of memories are to be reviewed and catalogued for the Department of Mysteries rebuilt after the battle.
To extrapolate on your theory, it could also be to create as much confusion around the ownership of the Elder Wand so that Voldemort is kept unsure of the Wand's true owner and can never utilize it to its full potential. That was the best shot he could give Harry of surviving the unavoidable duel with Voldemort.
I wonder if he realised if he used the stone part of himself (what ever the polar opposite to a Horcrux) awould be linked to it to enable himself to help harry one last time and would need him to give up his life, and he knew Snape would do it only if he was dieing anyway so two birds with one stone
When it comes to Dumbledore I would say for each secret he reveals he hides at least 9 others... so we'll probably never know his true intentions but I enjoyed your theory!
I think Secrets of Dumbledore might reveal some stuff
and the upcoming Fantastic Beasts movie is fittingly titled "The Secrets of Dumbledore"!
Lol so true! If he just divulged all the secrets from the get go, the books would have been condensed down to 5 pages total!
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If it wasn't out of hubris, I do think that he did it for a primary reason: to make it easier for Snape to kill him. In order to completely fool Voldemort, something drastic needed to be done, and Snape earning the Dark Lord's allegiance completely was necessary. If Dumbledore simply doomed himself to a slow painful death by wearing the ring, for Snape psychologically, it would have been more about putting a friend out of their misery, rather than a brutal killing. Also Dumbledore knew he was getting old, and what else could he do in his old age if he knew he couldn't kill/end Voldemort directly (because Harry was destined to)? He made himself into a chess piece for the posthumous conclusion of his plan to kill Voldemort. I think that this is further reinforced by the fact that he acted very self-sacrificially in many other ways in Harry's last years before the downfall of Voldemort: he was the most powerful wizard in the world, but could do nothing with all his might to destroy Tom Riddle. That was Harry's job. So he put his life to use for "the greater good" by making it easier for Snape to carry out his plan.
Exactly the thing it is and people don't get it "harry was destined to kill voldemort" nobody else could've done it, people dont get it and keep on blaming dumbledore to be a manipulator who kept harry as a pig for slaughter whereas he gave harry 3 of the hallows not telling him directly so he could survive voldemort in the end and come back to finish him again after finishing all of his horcruxes
@@RapBeeFS_ next time people blame dumbledore give them dudleys old one two!! XD.. but srsly and people say they are potterheads, when they dont even understand the depthness of dumbledore's actions
@@raghavparanjpe9556 yes! Harry would've died in book 1 from quirrels hands if he had been staying somewhere else than the dursley's and it was all because of dumbledore who analyzed lily's protection charm and worked on it so it continues to protect harry till he was 17
Yeah, and I think Snape should have done SOMETHING about it, I wish magic could clone people, so They could use a fake dumbledore and trick Voldemort into believing snape killed the Headmaster.
I am confused why have you used voldemort in 2nd line and then later in 2nd line used Dark lord, it seems he is still the one who must not be named.
When he and harry was in the cave retrieving the locket, he even said that "certain" dark magic leaves traces, implying that he knew and he's sensitive enough to such traces.
Yes and he also said to harry "tom was my student i know him well"
Loving your content! Dumbledore knew that him being vulnerable and weakened would cause Voldemort to act on this giving Harry a chance.
yhos seemsreally logicaland reasonable dumledore had already decided to use harry as bait
As a side note, maybe Dumbledore's presence in harry's limbo is one important point to why Dumbledore planned his own death. It depends on your interpretation of that scene but maybe Dumbledore's death was necessary in order to wait for Harry and nudge him one last time in the right direction to finish off Voldemort. There is also the idea of the elder wand dying with him (but why not snap it in two!). The problem with using Dumbledore's words as evidence is that he is an extremely unreliable source of information. He always told people what was required for his ambitions to come true which was often not the truth.
My interpretation of harry's hallucination is just that. An entire hallucination. The real living dumbledore made it pretty clear that there is in no way a possibility for the dead to come back to life.
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Nah, it's definitely not a hallucination. Lol.
I think just like Dr Strange/Ancient One last time meeting in the Astral Plane it could have been a part of the Astral Plan tbh
if there is a concpet of the soul there has to be some SORT Of Astral plane even in the Harry Potter universe
I like this theory, though I don't know how much foresight Dumbledore had to think he would get the chance to meet Harry in limbo, since I doubt even wizards knew what lied beyond death. Still glad it worked out thought! 😂
I think he strongly considered it a possibility that destroying the horcrux would destroy the stone at that time. Dumbledore's greatest desire was to see his sister and mom again and apologize. He also had an obsession for the deathly hallows. If he were to properly destroy the ring for all he knew there was a strong chance he would never get to see them again and do that. I think he put on the ring and did in fact see them again but at the cost of the curse spreading to such a fatal extent while he talked to them one last time.
I could believe this though once the magic of the stone is used the dead that "come back" don't leave until you yourself die. This means every time we see dumbledore his sister is there for only him to see
This makes the most sense
Dumbledore was obsessed with the Deathly Hallows… it’s what he sees in the mirror. His Ego got the best of him.
His obsession actually caused all of it… if he didn’t have the invisibility cloak the potters would have escaped death. If he didn’t seek the wand his sister would have lived. His obsession mirrors Voldemort’s. Immortality- the desire took everyone he loved.
Interesting !
Damn
I agree. Dumbledore himself many times admit he sometime arrogant, selfish. Yes, he been trying his whole life to be a better man, a great man but deep down - we, as human, stay the same. And in a right moment, our ego got the best of us.
Hallows not Horcruxes. Dumbeldore was a better man than voldy
he wasn't gonna wait for Grindlewald to put a ring on it
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Hey creed! hahaha. I didn't think you're watching HP. I bet the office would love to know lol.
I have an idea for a possible video. Special Awards for Services to the School, who received it and how they received it. I imagine the video would be relatively short, but still interesting to discuss
You got tom riddle, harry and ron. There ya go
@@alastorclark3492 I am really intrigued to hear your answer to this…how do you figure Tom Riddle is deserving of a Special Services award?
@@ravenestrella2310 he did when he blamed hagrid for myrtle's death
@@ravenestrella2310 I didnt say he deserved it i'm just naming the only 3 people who happen to have special rewards to the school. Tom for "finding" the culprit to the chamber of secrets and then harry and ron for actually finding the culprit
@@alastorclark3492 don't quote me on this, but i think Voldemort's award was revoked when the "real" culprit behind the attacks (the Basilisk) was found. which means that when Dumbledore gave the award to Harry & Ron, he also revoked it from Voldemort.
I can see some parallels with the Lord of the Rings One Ring, which tempts even the strongest minds like Gandalf and Galadriel to put it on.
Perhaps that’s an effect from the curse and Dumbledore couldn’t help but use it the moment he obtained it.
Not sure there's evidence the ring "tempted" someone to put it on, but the other Horcrux' certainly had parallels. The locket was slowly influencing its wearers turning them evil. In fact, the "One Ring" is essentially a horcrux because Sauron poured part of his own soul into it which is why he couldn't be destroyed while it still existed. I'd say the entire Horcrux idea is likely taken from LOTR but with the twist of having several of them.
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Your theory brings to mind my original thoughts when I first read those scenes in the book. Dumbledore (to me) appeared to be tired of always fighting against magical evils, never getting to rest, and just tired of life. I think he was ready to die, see his family again (especially his sister) and to have a good long rest. The added bonuses were to setup Harry to find the remaining Horcruxes and ready to confront Voldemort in the end (game)! Just a thought.
Maybe like with the locket there is a protective charm where you have to either drink the potion or wear the object in order to break the defence of the Horcrux. Why should Voldemort just let it lie there to be destroyed without putting on a fight?
maybe coz voldemort never thought that anyone would know that he made hocruxes, since for that we would have to go in his past, which not many people knew.
@@galactusff6315 But he is protecting the locket, which should oblige to the same logic.
@@andreasvilladsen9286 that makes sense, I’d imagine they’d have a defence mechanism I doubt it would be as simple.
@@katj3443 it doesnt seem simple at all, it killed dumbledore (be it willingly or unwillingly)
@@galactusff6315 If Voldemort thought no one would ever find his horcruxes, then why did he put protective spells on them to begin with?
I really like this theory. It makes sense.
I also wonder whether or not the resurrection stone had its own influence. We know from the tale of the three brothers that the stone itself was designed to lead its holder to death one way or another. Perhaps this is how the stone attempted to end Dumbledore‘s life? Just like the second brother, who desired to rejoin his deceased wife, Dumbledore wanted to join his deceased family. The stones magic gave him the extra push to try to make that happen.
I've always questioned this myself but I believe he put it on so he could see his loved ones, knowing that destroying the ring could destroy the magic of the stone itself in the process. So in order to see his family he must first use the stone before attempting to destroy it, and knowing his days were numbered anyways he could do so without fear of death.
He would have turned it 3 times to use it not put on the ring. He did do this to after putting on the ring as he gave it to harry knowing that it works
I think it’s far more likely that the ring had some sort of requirement to either retrieve it or destroy it such as the locket did. All head canon but it would make sense that Dumbledore had to put the ring on in order to destroy it. If he had wanted to kill himself just for the sake of seeing his loved ones, there are many other ways to do that. But that’s all just a guess /shrug
I think it goes back to the fact that Dumbledore realized that he was asking to much of the people around him.
Maybe ordering snape to kill him when he was healthy would have been to big of an ask. However if he was already dying he could spare Snape that guilt. This only makes sense if we believe that snape mattered a great deal to Dumbledore. He needed Voldemort to trust snape completely in order for him to further protect harry and defeat Voldemort. For Dumbledore's plan to work it wasn't just important for Harry and himself to die, but to die at the hands of the right people.
I like your theory on this one and the detail of your videos. I have always thought the horcrux would have toyed with his weakness for the hallows, especially the resurrection stone. All the time alone in his office with this part of Voldemort’s soul could not have been easy even for a powerful wizard like Dumbledore, he had his flaws like we all do. His strength and power enabled him to break free of the curse in time to call Snape, to contain the spread and allow him to give Harry the final pieces of info he needed to start his quest.
I think it’s because he naturally craves power. For a moment, he had access to the final hallow and put it on a moment of weakness. I think it’s more fascinating that his death would be a result of his main weakness.
Yeah I agree, I think his obsession over the deathly hollows overcame him - He had the wand, he knew where the cloak was and I think in that moment he wanted to be sure it was the stone and he would then have access to all 3 hollows and could be the master of death
This doesn't make sense. Why would uniting three matter? Why would the stone give him power?
@@mojus2890 All 3 and he would be the master of death, he already had the wand, he knew where the cloak was and in that moment he also had the stone - that would have been the closest he had ever been to uniting the 3 deathly hallows which would make him the master of death
@@solarisp9733 that also doesn't mean anything. Why would that make him powerful?
@@solarisp9733 totally agree with you. Just ignore Sean. Lol
I think he could have a different reason. We know, that Voldemort tried to hide and protect his horcruxes. In the case of the medal, he made it sure if anybody find his treasure, to gain it, one must die. What if the ring had its own protecting charm, and the only way to destroy it was to wear it beforehand? Also because his past mistakes and his guilt toward Ariadna, he couldn't destroy it at once, so he couldn't call Snape immediatelly.
I vote for your theory, Voldemort would require the horcrux to be worn before being destroyed.
But also how about this: Obviously Dumbledore knew this and still did it, is there any chance that sacrificing himself to destroy Voldemort in this way would have a minor general protective effect on those loyal to Dumbledore after his death?
When Lily & James sacrificed themselves directly for Harry they also destroyed 1/8 total soul pieces (Voldy + 7 horcruxes) and made a protective enchantment. So it's plausible if you agree with the first theory.
The ring wasn't required to be worn to destry it. The book is clear.
Snape asks him why he put it on:
"Dumbledore: "I... was a fool. Sorely tempted...""
If the ring HAD to be put on that Dumbledore would have said "I had no choice..."
@@photonboy999 You're right.
It seems the time has come for me to reread the books
@@photonboy999 But saying he had no choice to Snape would only invite more questions. It's more than clear Dumbledore would never reveal his true intentions mostly.
I think he just made a rare misstep and overestimated his ability to control the effects of putting the ring on. He himself has stated that he is not infallible, as he succumbed to the effects of the potion that he had to drink to obtain the locket as well.
He put the ring on because Rowling needed him to die, he was just too powerful. Of course in the book she writes that Dumbledore lost his head when he saw the ring, but the truth is Rowling knew she had created such a powerful wizard that she would have to kill him at some point. Otherwise, all the struggle the main characters go through in deathly hallows wouldn't be there...
Well yeah ofc its for plot, but the explanation givin in the book is still a lie. The Dumbledore in kings cross is a memory repeating incorrect memories that harry already assumes he knows.
@@alastorclark3492 any proof for that? Sounds like ur head canon
I belive he was just ready to greet death like a old friend
I have a theory. In the deathly hallows, Dumbledore mentions to Snape that the sword must be taken in circumstances of extreme courage and chivalry. What is more courageous than almost dying while destroying a horcrux? So maybe Dumbledore put on the ring to put himself in danger, thereby summoning Gryffindor's sword.
wasent the sword still there since Harry's secund year when he brings it back from the chamber of secrets?
@@Piou_le_petit_ours we are told so. But again, it was snatched by Griphook the goblin while Harry and others visit the Lestrange's vault in Gringotts. However, Neville was able to pull it out of the sorting hat to kill Nagini. So maybe Dumbledore did something similar to destroy the horcrux in the Gaunt's house.
This is just a theory.
In the book "Deathly Hallows", Dumbledore plainly stated that he "quite forgot that the ring was a horcruxe and thought for a moment that he would see his family and apologize". Not much gray area there.
Sure there is. Even though he fails to quote this correctly its okay for him to be disatisfied with the answer since the "dumbledore" in kings cross is a figment of harry's imagination
dumbledore is dead and burried on the castle grounds during this supposed convo. The LIVING dumbledore did quite plainly state that there is no coming back (in any way)
@@alastorclark3492 Whatever you say.
@@stevenbass732 Lmao it's not whatever I SAY. That would make it a theory. Its canon therfore out of our hands
@@alastorclark3492 what you're saying is book one, that could easily have been Dumbledore telling a 10 year old that to not make them go on a seemingly fruitless journey, searching for the resurrection stone. Based on the deathly hallows story, it's a miserable existence for the dead to be back in that form, he would never encourage Harry toward allowing that fate for Harry or his parents. I truly believe he was human in that moment and lost himself. The most powerful wizard in the world is still human. Emotions are strong.
Dumbledore: I just want to make amends with my lost sister.
Voldie: Hahaha. No.
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I have always wondered how the greatest wizard on earth could make such a rookie mistake. Granted Dumbledore spoke of the mistakes of old age in the order of the Phoenix already, but he was much too wise to just put on a Horcrux. I think he felt guilty for his past and also for knowing that he "raised" Harry just for him to die. But I also believe that Dumbledore's sacrifice was necessary for Harry to go through with it. Harry's biggest weapon was love and he Dumbledore was his mentor. He was the one who taught Harry about Horcruxes and the Prophecy. Dumbledore had to die for Harry to realize that the fight was real and he had to end it. Dumbledore was always there to protect him and shield him from harm but now Harry was on his own, having to figure it out for himself. I think that exactly is what made him so strong.
I think there's two big reasons why the straightforward explanation is correct:
1. Its hard to imagine an archetype that lends itself more to the role of "Reliable narrator" than "Ghost of a dead mentor confessing his sins amid exposition".
2. A fictional "Smart character" can only ever be as smart as the one writing him, and while I'm not gonna dunk on Rowling, it does seem like the kind of thing that she would write and have as a canon action of her "Smart character".
why would he lie about that its like the part where he comes clean about everything
its not farfetched at all to imagine someone with so much guilt for quite a few moments forget himself
Now that ive seen this video it got me thinking, and i thought of something myself. What if the resurection stone couldn't be used because of the curse, and dumbledore knowing that harry was a horcrux as well as the best chance to get rid of voldemort, decided to not only break the horcrux ring, but also break the curse so harry could use it when the time was right.
I like your "kill multiple birds with one stone" comment, but think you have attributed it to different reasons than I do. Dumbledore always saw multiple avenues of "the future" throughout the stories. Very early on he saw that Harry would need to voluntarily "die" to ultimately defeat Voldemort. Also, that Harry would need to talk with him in Kings Cross Station prior to the confrontation - which Harry wouldn't do as long as there was someone else (his mentor) around to be in charge. He needed to make things easier on Snape as you have pointed out. He needed to trick Voldemort into thinking he'd already won by defeating Dumbledore, so that V would become careless and make some necessary mistakes. He needed to not use The Elder Wand in an act of violence (destroying V), have it buried with him with no one knowing it was actually The Wand of Destiny, to never be dangerous again, which also had the extra value of blocking the Deathly Hallows from ever again giving so much power to one person. The wand would be gone, he knew Harry would dispose of the Stone in the Forest (had seen it in the possible futures), and the Cloak would just become a super-good tool that was relatively benign out in the world.
As Andrea Gomez says in the answer below here, he logically turned himself into a chess piece to move the game in the direction he thought would have the most optimal preferred outcome. Not emo, logical.
would indicate his success in tracking down Voldemort's past-both to help encourage Slughorn to return to Hogwarts, and to help persuade him to turn over the correct version of the memory of Slughorn talking to Riddle about Horcruxes.
It's interesting because by sacrifcing himself he could not only save Malfoy, but make Snape more valuable spy and break the Elder Wand's power which actually didn't work because of Malfoy's disarming him at the top of the tower. But why he didn't tell Harry this in limbo?? I am also curious if the Resurrection Stone worked because its power was stronger that than the Horcrux or the curse imposed on it.
I have a hard time imagining the original Dumbledore being able to play this role as the story turned darker. It’s almost like the change in actors was fate. The early years were a bit more child friendly then as they turn dark this Dumbledore is a better fit.
To take the locket he had to get poisoned so I guess to take the ring it was mandatory to wear it and get cursed. Just like with the locket this trap was set to incapacitate an intruder to figure out how somebody could possibly know about horcruxes.
I have a hard time believing he would just forget but I have an even harder time believing he would choose to die or risk himself knowing how much is at stake with the events just passed in OotP. I think it really shows his human side. That no matter how powerful a wizard or person you are, you can still succumb to emotion. I don't think he forgot but I think in his rush of emotion of finding it and thinking he's seconds from seeing his family after an abnormally long life, he put it on. As hard as it is to believe he could have this error in judgment, we know that he has had errors in judgment throughout the books let alone what we don't know so I feel it's more possible than him making what would be an extremely risky and selfish decision to end his life, whether in a year or right away, with so much at stake in the world and he being the best defense against Voldy
He likely thought with him in possession of the final one he would master death and to him as its master any curse wouldn't affect him. His ego finally caught up with him and it cost him everything. He had planned for Harry to die from childhood never believing he would die before his plan was finished.
I think Dumbledore put on the ring imagining that he now had all 3 deathly hallows, that he could master death. After all, it was his lifelong goal to his quest for power. A risky decision. Dumbledore only alludes to Harry that the tale is quite thrilling. I also think that Dumbledore needed to find a way to pass the elder wand on to Harry indirectly as Harry would never want to try and defeat Dumbledore for it himself. Harry is the one destined to destroy Voldemort, so Dumbledore needed to pass all 3 of the deathy hallows on to Harry before it was too late.
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We know that Dumbledore would see his family whole and happy when he looked in the Mirror of Erised, making it very clear why he wanted to use the Resurrection Stone on the ring.
Dumbledore is really a great wizard. One of the best but off al people he is a flawed man. A man with a unbeareble guilt. And even so great as the Dumbledore could falter for finding a life long desire. I always thought he wanted to make amends in life before his death. He didnt knew which spell killed Ariana and it didnt matter. Dumbledore holds himself responsible. And maybe dumbledore did it also out of a selfish reason. He was maybe afraid his soul would be broken, cracked or split because of the death of ariana. Maybe he wanted to heal his soul before his death. I dont know for sure but repairing your soul is not possible when you die..
I like the idea that because he used the ressurection stone he was able to come see Harry in limbo and that if he didn't use the ring he wouldn't have been able to do that to guide Harry back to the living. He was raising Harry to eventually have him die and ever since he had this as his plan he was looking for the stone, he even says he changed his reasoning for wanting the stone. So with the stone maybe he realised what he had to do or knew how it worked because of past records of people using it and then decided he would die to allow all these events to unfold but also to help Harry come back.
I never understood how he saw harry after dying, so he died with the resurrection stone and gave it to harry ?
I do wonder. Did Harry need to survive? Either Dumbledore made sure he would by making sure he had access to all three deathly hallows. Or from his mother’s sacrifice because it was Voldemort. Harry “greeted death like an old friend” thanks to Dumbledore and his master chess game with people’s lives. But just a theory. But say Harry stayed dead at that same moment. Neville still kills Nagini. Voldemort is still without his horocruxs. Everyone after Harry’s sacrifice is still protected by the love magic. Could anyone kill Voldemort in that moment?
Maybe it's for far simpler reasons.
Dumbledore didn't want to let Snape know he was searching horcruxes. He found the ring and was trying to destroy it. So he tried many different ways and still nothing. Even tried the sword. Then he thought, maybe the ring needs to be put on to be able to break the curse Similar with the locket needed to be opened to be destroyed.) Him knowing that Snape could help with curse and also his own power to protect him, maybe he thought that was enough to protect him. He placed the ring on his finger, the curse was released (similar to the locket), he destroyed it with the sword, but, the curse was much more powerful than he thought.
I like a lot of your theories but sometimes I think you go too far with them and it might be so much more basic. I like the idea that it was about family and the such, but Dumbledore seemed too wise and intelligent to make it this act all about family. I was driven mad at the idea the Voldemort had found a way to stay alive and be resurrected, the threat of the damage to the world Voldemort would do. All he wanted to do was get rid of Him.
Anyways, that's what I think. Dumbledore wanted to keep from asking anyone's help, especially Harry's, in searching and destroying the horcruxes. Thought he was strong enough to be able to protect himself from the curse as he destroyed the ring.
The ring didn't need to be put on.
Dumbledore said he was a "fool" to put on the ring. If it was required to be put on he would have instead told Snape "it was necessary" and Snape would have agreed. You said "him knowing that Snape could help with curse" doesn't make sense either. Snape was mad at him for taking too long to seek his help AFTER Dumbledore put on the ring and got cursed. No. Dumbledore was tempted to put on the ring. In an instant of stupidity that probably ties into his guilt over his sister's death and desire to see her again, he put on the ring.
That’s a lot of words for a simple reason. 😂
the band of the ring was the horcrux not the stone ? -- the ring was "destroyed there on the desk " as Dumbledore used sword on it but Harry goes on to use the stone later with out ill effect -- this always seemed a bit confusing in the book
I also think he did it in an effort to allow the elder wand to die with him instead of passing into the ownership of the person who kills him, but ultimately this plan fails because voldermort found it was in its tomb
I do believe that dumbledore became weak and gave into his desire to see his family HOWEVER. I believe Dumbledore had to put the ring on to prove a theory or to destroy the ring. I imagine that Voldemort did something to the ring that required Dumbledore to put on the ring before he could destroy the horcrux. and Dumbledore could have chosen a longer, less sure way to destroy the ring but ultimately decided to sacrifice his life, destroy a horcrux, save malfoy and help severus and he would get to see his sister again. In his book the choice had all net positives.
I love how even though Dumbledore’s a good guy he’s not perfect like Gandalf for example(its an easy parallel) was just powerful bc he was a demigod but Dumbledore represents a more realistic idea of a successful person… hes kinda cocky and has been known to undercut people for his own gain despite him overall being a good man
It literally says in the book that he did it out of a combination of hubris and longing to see his dead relatives. It was a reckless moment not something planned to draw out Voldemort.
The words you are basing that off of came from an illusion of dumbledore by harry. Those are harrys words and he doesnt actually know he just presumes as much from what he learned about dumbledore
i believe that dumbledore really did lose his head we are human and even the wisest person could make mistakes but still love your theory
Nothing corrupts our true nature like guilt. The guilt he felt to his family and now Harry and even The Potter’s death. After, I think it became part of the plan.
I think it was necessary to wear the ring in order to destroy it. To make the Voldemort from inside the stone come out, just as he did from the diary and the locket, and strike the Horcrux then and there. Knowing that the curse would probably be deadly, Dumbledore wouldn't have asked anyone else to make the sacrifice, so he'd do it himself. This is how I see it.
Harry looked at Dumbledore as a protector. Remember when Granger said, “with Dumbledore around he won’t touch you.” Referring to Tom riddle. So Dumbledore made Harry fully independent and rely on his friends and his own skill.
My crazy thought when I saw that ring he wears is that as a powerful wizard, it's not just hoping to see his loved ones, but also attempting to destroy the ring from within. But sadly it doesn't, that's the same for Jedi attempting to destroy Sith artifacts by concentrating their will power to destroy them.
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I think you make good sense here. Good job man, logical, as always.
I don't think he knew it was a horcrux, or maybe he thought it could be, but wasn't sure. Maybe he was just collecting everything he could, not just memories, about Tom Riddle to try to figure out how to defeat him. There's a problem with the chronology here, if he already knew the ring was a horcrux, what was the point of luring Slughorn back to Hogwarts? Just to figure out that he created multiple horcruxes? I'm pretty sure he put the ring before Harry extracted the true memory from Slughorn.
The part about making easier for Snape I'm pretty sure is in the Deathly Hallows book. IIRC it's not stated in the book he intentionally used the cursed ring, but he did argue with Snape that he would like for Snape to kill him, not Draco. He said something about preserving Draco's Soul, and Snape replied something like "what about my soul?", and Dumbledore replied something about "killing out of mercy"... not sure the exact words, it's been too many years ago and I read it in a different language.
I'm curious as to who Snape may have killed.. He saved Malfoys soul by killing Dumbledore, so whom did Snape kill?
He was a Death Eater--- but he was conflicted. your soul may be fractured or torn from a killing which you may do yourself or are complicit in-- but you don't have to create a horcrux. if you go by a Christian perspective, one's soul can be redeemed--we now know that in essence he was doing penance for 18 years. Not happily-- but to buy back what he brought about as a result of his own pain and resentment. One theory suggested that " you have to mean an unforgivable curse" and that Snape did the deed to save Draco's soul-- a noble sacrifice since it essentially meant he would shoulder the blame.
He told Harry in the books that due to his immense wisdom his mistakes tend to be crucial and larger scale in comparison too
I see Voldemort, Dumbledore and Harry as the three brothers of the tale. The first wanted power, the second one wanted his loved one to como back to life and Harry just greeted death like an old friend
The guiding theme behind all 7 books love. love he loved and missed his sister All the power and wisdom in the world wouldn't stop someone from seeing someone they loved.
Dumbledore knew he had to die either way, coz malfoy had been sent to finish him and if malfoy failed then voldemort would have killed him which dumbledore didn't want, so the ring didn't leave any other option for dumbledore but to die, which was done by snape as dumbledore wanted for snape to truly gain allegiance of voldemort
Except that Dumbledore called himself a "fool" for putting on the ring. So that part wasn't really planned. It was a moment of weakness. Only AFTER did he work this situation into his plan to defeat Voldemort. When he let Malfoy defeat him he know Malfoy was now the Wand's master. He probably reasoned there was a CHANCE that Harry would fight Malfoy and be the Wand's master which led up to Voldemort's death. The Wand was really the ONLY plan that could actually defeat Voldemort. It's an imperfect plan because Harry would have to defeat Malfoy before Voldemort in turn gets the wand and fights Harry (without knowing Harry was its Master), but the only one that could work.
I heard a theory that since Dumbledore embraced death when Snape killed him, the Elder Wand lost part of its power. You know, it is like its owner finally made amends with Death and followed the example of the Younger brother. Could it be that Dumbledore did the same with the resurrection stone? His story is also very similar to the Second Brother. A loved one that he strived to see, an act of killing himself...
Sorry but idk if this question makes sense or not I was just curious about something that is mentioned in many theories that Dumbledore was death soo does this means he welcomed voldemort and snape in afterlife too like he welcomed harry?
He didnt meet harry.
You make good videos, thank you! Im not a book reader yet, but i really enjoy your work. Very informative.
I wonder if Dumbledoor had prophetic insight, or went into the future and saw what was to happen. He always knew about Harry being a horcrux. So if he had not died, when Harry was 'killed' and that part of voldomort was left dying in the afterlife, if Dumbledoor had not died and been there to guide Harry, Harry may not have known he could chose to return and finish the fight. So Dumbledoor did what he had to do to ensure at every stage voldomort was defeated.
You all have never understood the real character of Dumbledore if you think it wasn’t his flawed character which made him do this mistake
I think back to the fact that Dumbledore turned down the Minister of Magic position because he didn’t trust himself with power. And he admitted that he was blinded by love for Grindewald which made him delay defeating him which would’ve saved lives. There’s so much textual evidence that Dumbledore is prone to making big mistakes centered around emotion or need for control.
So why is it so out of the question that he lost himself and the chemical imbalance of endorphins that would follow finding both something you expected (a key to defeating Voldemort) and something unexpected (a treasure connected to seeing his parents and sister he’s wanted for literally a century) I would find that possibility more acceptable that he decided to finally pay for his sins and commit suicide. Let’s remember this incident caused him to want to get killed by Snape. If Dumbledore is healthy, why can’t he overpower Draco when he tries to assassinate him?
What if he feared the stone would be destroyed along with the horcrux and wanted to make sure he could use one time atleast.
I find it interesting that the sword of G destroyed the ring as a Horcrux and Valdemort's curse upon it, and cracked the resurrection stone it contained, but did not destroy the stone's resurrection properties. We know that because the stone from the ring was then hidden by Dumbeldore in Harry's snitch left to him in his will, which finally "opened at the close" of Harry's life, allowing him to be encouraged by his dead parents and friends to face his own death without fear, just when he needed that most. And when Valdemort killed Harry, he destroyed his next to last Horcrux, and when Neville killed the snake Valdemort became mortal once more, just in time to repeat his failed duel to the death with Harry.
I've always found it odd that the ring was actually the only cursed horcrux that could kill by touching it. The trio could wear the locket for hours without dying. They got grumpy, but that was explained to be an effect of the horcrux itself, not of another curse. The trio also did not nearly die from touching the cup or diadem. The diary was meant to be used and thus did not kill Ginny or Harry when they touched it, although it did drain Ginny's life energy out of her in the end. In short, the ring was the only (inanimate) horcrux that was actually cursed to kill someone who'd touch or wear it, so the reasoning that "it's a horcrux, therefore it's cursed" is not actually valid for any other horcrux. Dumbledore already knew the diary was safe to touch without getting killed, so why should he have known about the ring being lethal?
He has the knowledge and ability to detect magic
It’s more fun if the curses do different wacky things.
Maybe the ring had to be put on the get the stone out - a bit like drinking the cursed water for the locket. And Dumbledore did this knowingly, and survived this, to make sure Harry would get the stone.
Knowing Harry had the cloak, and access to his elderwand. And then the stone = Harry would be Master of Death when battling with Voldemort.
And I have always reasoned that it was the reason Harry had the choice to come back from the dead (/white limbo thing) = because he was master of death.
I think that there is the possibility that he knew he would have to sacrifice himself in the cave while retrieving the locket. Or that being that him and Harry were going into the cave, one of them may not come out and he knew it had to be him because Harry had to push on and be the one to kill Voldemort. Therefore, he put on the ring with full knowledge of the risks due to it being cursed but was fully aware his life would come to an end one way or another once he went into the cave to retrieve the locket.
I think his primary reason for putting on the ring was so that he could retrieve the stone from it and give it to Harry because he had already figured out Harry was the Horcrux Voldemort never meant to make. Like the Golden Snitch, the ring had been enchanted so that only the one who wore it could retrieve the stone therein. Only Voldemort could put on that ring without suffering the curse he had placed on it which was why he felt it was safe to leave it at the Gaunt residence. Yes, giving Snape a good reason to kill him was also a motivation, one that I believe he thought would make Voldemort believe Snape was the Master of the Elder Wand. The night he died he allowed Draco to disarm him knowing that Draco would be recognized as the wands owner by the wand, but everyone else would believe Snape was.
I have some ideas not too different from this but I think it's in poor taste to suggest that Dumbledore started to kill himself and then reconsidered. Burdened or not (and it's fair to say he was) Dumbledore was not suicidal. I think he saw his guilt and reunion with his family as reasons not to fear death, but that doesn't mean they were reasons to take his own life.
I do think Dumbledore saw how his death could help in all the ways you mentioned. Sparing Draco, sparing Snape, fooling Voldemort about Snapes loyalty, fooling Voldemort and everyone else about the loyalty of the elder wand. So I think he did curse himself as an insurance that events would unfold as planned, he marked himself for death and it was irreversible. In doing so there was no reason to deviate from killing him at the right time, instead of trying to spare him in a weaker moment.
So really my only argument with the video is the difference between suicide and sacrifice, whether he put the ring on in a moment of weakness or strength.
Weirdest thing is that just yesterday I watched Harry potter and the half blood Prince and I wondered why did he put on the ring and today when I woke up I literally saw the answer in my notification bar 😂
A Harry Potter theory that has gripped me recently is..... was the Prophecy simply Trelawney being Trelawney, the only time in the book you see her do anything remotely close to that is when wormtail returns Trelawney's second prophecy, but in truth it really doesn't say alot and its really vert detail vague. As for the first one you could put the whole thing down to Voldemort simply simply acting on what was said.
I think like the potion that was put to guide the locket, Riddle may have put enchantment that the only way to get to the ring is to put it on your finger. I think that would make the most sense
Personally I think it’s a lapse of judgement and a case of a melancholy old man reacting like a man dying of thirst upon seeing an oasis but not noticing the sign reading “Danger - arsenic contaminated!”
One question: What impact does making a horcrux put on the magical abilities of the creator? Does splitting the soul reduce someone's magical abilities?
dont think so it just affects appearance and liveliness
I am sure that it reduces some habilities, related to humanity and love. But since Voldie never had those kinds of feelings he probably never noticed any change
I was wondering about Salazar's wand I read it was made from a basilisk horn and was able to sleep under his command could you make video about this
Personally I think he didn’t hesitate after seeing the resurrection stone combined with the Effects of the Horcrux (compelling the finder to put it on?). Then in the time he took to take it off and destroy it with the Sword it was too late for Snape to help. Also Dumbledore had the option to use the stone before placing it inside the golden snitch to see his family before he dies (giving him some peace possibly even before Snape’s arrival).
Sometimes I think fans forget that this is a work of fiction written by an author who was quite clumsy at times, to put it nicely.
It doesnt matter how clumsy you think it is. What is stated by the author read in the hardback printed book is whats canon
@@alastorclark3492 You just further proved my point. Thanks!!!
The loss of a loved one is a terrible thing. And many regardless of power or intelligence, would do most anything to see them again.
When your trauma runs deep enough, you'll do crazy things.
There is potentially an even greater purpose to Dumbledore's sacrifice which you may have touched on. Dumbledore probably did feel guilt at the loss of his family members and saw himself as being responsible in some ways for their deaths. But he did not intend them to die in the same manner he had intended all along to sacrifice Harry to destroy Voldemort. Had he simply destroyed the ring he might well have survived the coming war and Harry would be dead. Likely Dumbledore himself would have been the one to finally defeat Voldemort, deprived of horcruxes,only then to mourn Harry's loss. Imagine the guilt that would have haunted his remaining years. By mortally wounding himself in the manner he did he was not only able to save Malfoy and place Snape close to Voldemort, but he was able to save Harry as well. By preceding Harry into death, he was there to greet Harry at the train station, help him understand what had happened and instruct him that he indeed retained a choice as to whether to go back or go "on".
Perhaps weakening himself would have been important to make his death at Draco's hands seem more believable to Voldemort, but I don't think it was necessary for any version of the Snape-steps-in scenario, which is what Dumbledore, Snape, Draco's mom, and Bellatrix were all basically planning for (in that concern over Draco's ability to succeed led to Snape's unbreakable vow). Draco disarms Dumbledore and then it's kind of irrelevant if he's weakened or not (or if he expects Snape to save him or not); or in virtually any other way it could have played out, Snape just gets the drop on Dumbledore because Dumbledore trusts him.
I don't think there were many ways things could have played out where Dumbledore's weakness would have been helpful to "sell" his death as unsuspicious.
I always looked at this has he actually just slipped up and his desire to bring his sister back and right the wrong that was more than likely his fault.Also I find it weird he never tried to make amends with his Brother because that would solve his grief or shame since the portrait of there sister that his brother had would allow him to see and be with his sister again
He did make amends with his brother or atleast they didnt totally hate eachother in later life. He didnt slip up. 100+ years obsessing over that stone and he just forgets you gatta turn it 3 times in your hand? Or that it wasnt originally a ring at all??
It's kinda like how when you find something your passionate about even the strongest of people can fall victim to temptation
Reading the books it seemed like dumbledore always had a plan and was all knowing.. extremely wise, never heard of him making too many mistakes.
Bellatrix would say: Hey old dirtier half-blood, I'd like to use this as a wedding ring for my handsome Lord!
I think that dumbledores reasoning is 100% true. It only takes a second to put on a ring, its not like he was planning on putting it on before he found it. When discussing dumbledore its important to remember that, while he is very smart, he is still only a human and a very traumatized one at that. I think once he saw the ring and figured out that the resurrection stone was on it he had a moment where he thought he would genuinely be able to see his family again and put it on without thinking things through. Not to mention that we don't know what kinds of spells were put on the ring, there could have been something put on it like the locket where it makes you realize your insecurities and fears which may have made dumbledore more primed to put the ring on. Also I don't think your explanation really suffices as to why he put on the ring, because, yes he probably was ready for death and ready to see his family again, he didn't have to put the ring on to accomplish that. He could have just let snape kill him without going through the troubles of putting on the ring.
You mean harry's reasoning. Dumbledore is dead and gone by the time harry speaks to the hallusination he is having of dumbledore.
@@alastorclark3492 he wasnt really hallucinating though because in the harry potter universe the afterlife is something thats been demonstrated to be real
@@sebastianroehlk9536 Of course it is real that is no question, but within the same universe it is made quite clear that the living interacting with the actual dead is not possible. ghosts are after images, wand regurgitation is an imprint and the stone itself only produces loved ones as of through a veil and it is my personal belief that whatever the ring was designed for by cadmus its actual effects are to kill the user.
@@sebastianroehlk9536 That is that the stone brings back after images of loved ones that then convince you to off yourself and join them
@@alastorclark3492 but he didnt use the stone to talk to dumbledore he actually died and met dumbledore in limbo or wherever they were
To be fair it actually makes sense, his weakness was his crave for power, he even admits it I think saying he knows his own obsession of power. If you really think about it, he was originally fascinated with becoming master of death. He asking James to “borrow” the invincibility cloak adds to my beliefs he got lost in thought and wanted to see the rings true power. Especially him being so obsessed with power, the one of three he wanted most, even over the elder wand, it makes sense how he lost a sense of composure. It’s literally his favorite of the three hallows ofc he’s gunna try to use it.
Eh I like to think it's similar to how the necklace effects ron, and this was really why dumbledore left the deluminator to him. Was that it effected him more and talked him into putting the ring on. I don't think we're ever really told how long it took dumbledore to put the ring on, so maybe while he was trying to work out how to destroy it (maybe hadn't worked it out yet) he got talked into putting it on by the ring itself, and that was then how he realised to destroy it, sort of like that just before you die scenario you find a way out. I think this is more feasible, as dumbledore hadn't really come across horcrux's in the past
I could be wrong, but on my recent re-read of the Deathly Hallows I got the impression that Dumbledore was "waiting" in purgatory - Harry's King's Cross - in order to guide Harry's choice to come back to life. If that is true, then even in death he wasn't able to see his family right away. Part of me kind of wants to take Dumbledore at his word. It makes him a more flawed, deeper, character because of it.
Would he still be affected by the curse if he had merely turned it thrice in hand?
Fairly sure the magic of the stone requires physical touch to "work". Putting the ring on isnt what kills you its physically touching it. If he put it on with a glove under it i think he'd have been fine.
God bless you for continuing to make HP videos for us.
Maybe he tried to turn the ring 3 times in hand and it didn't work as a ring or hucrox, and kind of in a frenzy to see his sister, he thought to try the Resaurection Stone once as a ring before having to destroy it. Idk
I would like to see a storyline about the pensieve where the vials of memories are to be reviewed and catalogued for the Department of Mysteries rebuilt after the battle.
To extrapolate on your theory, it could also be to create as much confusion around the ownership of the Elder Wand so that Voldemort is kept unsure of the Wand's true owner and can never utilize it to its full potential. That was the best shot he could give Harry of surviving the unavoidable duel with Voldemort.
I wonder if he realised if he used the stone part of himself (what ever the polar opposite to a Horcrux) awould be linked to it to enable himself to help harry one last time and would need him to give up his life, and he knew Snape would do it only if he was dieing anyway so two birds with one stone