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- Labour have announced a trial of the weight loss drug Mounjaro to tackle unemployment.
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"[Obesity] is estimated to cost the British economy 100 billion a year," says Andrew Marr. "That's a lot more than the investment summit raised earlier in the month."
But Will Dunn says Health Secretary Wes Streeting is tackling the symptom of unemployment - obesity - rather than the cause.
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What is the true purpose of the trials?. The Labour Party is looking to make cuts to both the health and welfare budgets.
It doesn't take a stable genius to work out that should the trials prove successful, future welfare entitlements will be tied to a 'voluntary agreement' to take them.
It conveniently ignores the role of the food industry that peddle high sugar and UPF foods that are the root of the problem of obesity and metabolic syndromes. more than 60% of the UK population are overweight - most of which is caused from the foods they eat - that if UPF will not trigger the hunger suppressors in the brain that stop you eating. These foods are as dangerous to your health as alcohol and cigarettes. The food industry peddle their crap as healthy - such as fresh orange juice which is absolutely not healthy - it has had all the fiber taken out so what you are drinking is liquid sugar. If you want to be the proper weight - eat healthy foods, eat less often (stop grazing) and exercise daily.
Exactly, if you want to save the NHS eat well and exercise. It is a daily challenge - mentally and in your pocket - but that demonstrates real love for the NHS. More than clapping anyway.
Well said
Isn't there a jab that we can give to MP's that stops them from being utterly stupid, refrain from taking 2nd jobs, freebies, donations, lobbying gifts, be honest in their job and to look after the nation and not their selfish needs...
This is such a dumb policy given the following common side-effects:
1. Nausea 17%
2. Vomiting 12%
3. Diarrhea 7%
4. Nasopharynghitis 5%
5. UTI 3%
Especially given the problems in the job market.
What about the cost of alcoholism on society and the NHS, just for example.
Labour are seriously mental with some of the bizarre and fascist crap they are coming up with (are they aligning with Trump?).
Heavy buyers' remorse with Labour now.
They're making the Tories look like the party of common sense and compassion.
Much better to tax junk food and subsidise healthy whole foods. The only problem is no lobbyist will pay for that
Watching this whilst tucking into a McRib really does create a sense of irony for me.
It would be very brave for any Health Minister to tell the truth - companies producing cheap unhealthy food are killing our poorest more quickly. THIS costs the NHS and tax payers in benefit payments and can be solved with no cost at all to any Government by making 'bad' foods more expensive (unhealthy food tax) and some foods cheaper (incentives to organic veg producers), combined with food and cookery lessons being compusory in schools. If Wes doesn't want to do this, I'd want to ask WHY ? What financial incentives from unhealthy food producers are more important than the NHS and the health of the nation? What is the financial trade-off?
Question after the last jab what numpty will take anything from the government.
A drug to help people lose weight which is optional. It will reduce the amount of diabetes, joint issues, fatty liver, cancers etc… therefore less long term sick…
Labour are not pitching it as the silver bullet, but it’s something which might help. Weird to criticise the government for it
Glad to see some creative solutions and ideas from the government rather than just in-fighting.
Fasting. Keto. People may need to reclaim control of what they put in their bodies. The idea you medicate people but offer no restructuring of the underlying causes is madness. The longest period without any food, just water and electrolytes, is 382 days and the person lost 125kg (nearly 20 stone).
Eating is often an emotional issue and I did not really have a handle on it until my first 3-day fast. It was literally life-changing. Let us please focus on the causes and fixing people's idea if nutrition, because my guess is it will be cheaper and more effective than the pharmaceutical treatment.
So you make an unemployed person thin, they still live in a deprived area with no jobs, managing on Benefits while needing all new clothes to fit them, but not being able to afford them. They can't afford quality food so they resort to cheap food and quickly get fat again. How does that help? And don't get me started on retraining or other help to get a job, or help with depression, which isn't going to stop because you are thin. Is this a thing because so many MP's are taking these injections to look better on TV.
There are greater structural problems to unemployment. But I've been on the jab for about 8 months now and it's been an absolute godsend. I eat far less than I used to (cheaper!) and the far-less that I do eat is a lot healthier.
Let working class people have something that only the well off had heretofore had, for once.
The left must start talking about the fact that unemployment is NOT "low". Just calculate the figures: 2.5 million people out of work versus (at the last count) 841,000 job vacancies. And those out of work people survive on the pittance that is Universal Credit
@@richierich7609 you do realise that this drug is one created to treat diabetes. It is regularly prescribed for type 2 diabetics who are getting worse and as a precursor to full on insulin treatment. And yes type 2 diabetics frequently end up on insulin and diabetes is not exclusively caused by being overweight. In fact once you are taking insulin it is very common to gain weight.
@@ericajohnson3504 Yes I'm aware of this. While I am not diabetic, I've been carefully checking my blood sugar and triglycerides and since losing the 54 pounds all my indicators have gotten much better. This means it's helping to prevent health problems possibly to include diabetes. I get a full, extensive blood panel every 3 months. If any of this is causing me any harm, it's not detectable.
And my knees and ankle joints are much better due to the reduced weight.
You don't have to wait to be diabetic to use these for positive effects.
@@ericajohnson3504 Last time I went to give a blood sample, there was a young man in a motorized wheelchair also giving blood; he looked like he had special needs. We chatted and I mentioned Mounjaro and he piped up excitedly and said he also was on it and had lost a great deal of weight, and sang its praises. It's working for a lot of people.
Targeting obese people who are also northerners! I can sense a media outrage on its way.... Leveling up (balancing the scales)!
The weight problem is enormous (no pun intended) The Mental problem is gigantic and that has not even been given a mention ….
Mental health crisis precisely because of chronic economic insecurity and a lack of work for everyone who wants it
Hopefully they are working on it in the back ground!
There is interesting weight loss medication, but the NHS is mis focusing their resources, they have a belief, that people are over weight because they eat too much. Which is what all their treatment focuses on, dieticians and so forth.
They dont seem to recognise conditions that affect the rate of metabolism.
Likewise if you look at surgical options on the NHS, they concentrate on shrinking the stomach so you feel full earlier, but they dont look at this like thyroid's affecting metabolism, or dont offer like liposuction.
In addition some people with health problems if the country was prepared to modernise its work force, the country should be focusing on increasing working from home vacancies, but instead are trying to shoe horn people not suited to it, into a working on site work system.
As pointed out in this video, being obese is not necessarily the core reason of someone's health problems, some people only become obese due to another health problem either reducing their physical activity or a condition slowing down their metabolism.
As usual the government is looking for a silver bullet to provide big results, in a short time, with little expenditure.
There has been some cases as well where it has been discovered some obese people have massive amounts of trapped air instead of expected levels of fat, essentially they blow up like a balloon. These people were discovered to have issues burping, and the air wasnt all coming out the other end so just building up in the body.
There is also a discovery that poverty can trigger obesity, because if you eat less food, aka malnutrition, the body will go into survival mode and slow down metabolism, the problem is this slow down can be permanent so if you ever eat more again, your can no longer sustain what you previously took in to your body. There is obese people out there who eat very little, so whilst I think they may be some scattered success stories, this is no silver bullet.
If this were the case then why has obesity skyrocketed since the end of WW2? And why is Japan a country to buck the trend?
@@Harve6988 If you have a post WW2 graph for recorded obesity I may be better placed to give you an opinion.
But I am not saying the amount you eat has no impact at all on anyone, just that I think there is other causes as well, its not just a simple make everyone eat less and you have no more obesity. I think exercise as an example is a bigger factor than diet, and logically if someone has a medical condition that prevents them mobilising, they are more likely to become obese as a result.
I don't remember seeing obese people in countries struck by famine, or in the Nazi camps. I decided to lose weight by eating no more than 800 calories a day while maintaining a heavy manual job. My body didn't go into survival mode and I managed to lose 3 stones fairly quickly. My starting weight was 13st and my end weight was 10st 4ib. Yes, I'm a very tall person, about the same height as that giant of a man, Tom Cruise. That was 3 years ago and I haven't put the weight back on. Please don't say that I'm one of the 'scattered successes' without explaining the first two examples I mentioned.
It’s not an easy path. There is naive and ill-informed reporting around these drugs. They’re effective but come with difficult side effects. Stop blaming people who are fat and treat them with some compassion.
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Will it save the economy? No. That's a really high bar to leap over. Especially given the damage that Brexit has done. Will it help a bit? Maybe. Will it hurt to try? Likely not. Is there a good reason *not* to try? None that I can think of.
Obesity is certainly a massive problem for the UK, straining both the NHS and joblessness. That said, joblessness is a very broad and complex issue with many driving factors, so the narrative of obesity drugs solving unemployment is a gross oversimplification.
As for the GLP-1 agonist class of drugs, they are not a simple or safe solution. If you take such a drug but don't alter your diet or actively exercise, you don't just lose fast but a lot of muscle too, which can lead to sarcopenic obesity, i.e. skinny fat with poor health outcomes. Also as was pointed out in the video, this class of drugs still have many unknowns regarding long-term use, so building a national policy around these is hugely problematic.
The devil really is in the detail with this one. This so-called silver bullet could end up being a faulty hand grenade.
Unemployment is imposed by the Bank of England to "manage inflation" i.e hold wages down but no one ever talks about this. It's called the NAIRU (non accelerating inflationary rate of unemployment).
Just calculate the figures: 2.5 million people out of work versus (at the last count) 841,000 job vacancies. And those out of work people survive on the pittance that is Universal Credit
Obesity is a really, really big issue 😂 Andrew starts his stand up career.
If Rachel gives me that jab, I promise to get off the sofa and do some work
Thank you pastyman001
Just buy your own jab 🤡
@@tomh2121 No problem Tom
Cunliffe or Reeves?
Mr Streeting tends to let his mouth run away with him! I wonder about his ability to focus on things that need doing and are not glamorous.
Naive and ill-considered assertion. Totally dystopic and nightmarish
That the drug is available, as a choice, is obviously a good thing, but trying to represent it as some universal fix, and/or trying to force people into taking, it is a road filled with dangerous pot-holes.
Nobody will be forced to take any drug, Didn't your mummy tell you not to believe everything you hear from click-hungry TH-cam channels? Seriously, learn basic critical thinking skills. Wes Streeting did not suggest that these drugs could solve the unemployment problem. He said that they could help people who are unemployed due to obesity get back into work.
First of all, Western medicine is failing to treat many chronic conditions because its understanding of how the body works is incomplete. As regards digestion, it could learn a lot from Chinese medicine. Secondly, as has been pointed out elsewhere, our food industry is failing us. We eat food which is full of sugar and other ultra processed ingredients. Thirdly, if Labour succeed in getting these people back to full health, are there going to be the jobs there for them? We already have chronic unemployment because the number of vacancies is lower than the actual number of people wanting to work.
It's extremely foolish of the political Left to ignore this and to buy into the notion that unemployment is "low" when the figures clearly show it isn't: 2.5 million people (at least) looking for work versus (at the last count) 841,000 jobs
Calling BS on that. Medicine is far superior to TCM.
We can even cure plenty of cancers, prevent a whole bunch of diseases and even start to cure genetic diseases.
The Mon giro jab have the govt completely lost it?
Is Streeting gunded by pharmaceutical companies? Follow the money.
Yea, as ever. But the UK has after the mRNA invested billions into constructing new factories to produce drugs. The new gen will be interestingly scary 'solutions'.
Cancel their benefits. That would suppress their appetite.
Come on Labour stop attacking the victims and start pounding on the culprits, the optics of a better more just society please, otherwise whats the point of getting rid of the tories. and this is coming from someone who wants you to be successful.
Its just about the most ridiculous policy you can think of.
A trial on the drugs and deciding whether they provide benefits to patients is surely the job of NICE. Anything outside of that is just overstating this as a panacea. Forcing people onto it would or denying benefits would be a dystopia. Just let the NHS get on with their job, as I'm sure they already are.
Reported today that a woman in north east England has died through this
‘The grownups are back in charge’ 😂😂😂
The state's role should be to stop pretending that an Uxbridge degree is the same as an Oxbridge degree.
It will make Eli Lilly lots of money so who cares 🤷♂️
Someone has to make the drugs.
If only the UK would be in a larger community to have a better bargaining position for cheaper prices...
If the state trebles the dole, poor people will be able to afford better food.
No comments that half the weight loss is skeletal muscle. So little on the nasty side effects. No flagging that it can it have time limited use. No mention of additional health monitoring to support longer term eating behaviour change. Staff and well as medication costings required. And then the attrition rates after initial 2 yr use. Just headline grabbing by the stars in their eyes (? ) still new ministers. Changing the UK food policy would surely be actionable if they only read Hungry for Change Lord Krebs June 2021. Or listen to Henry Dimbleby. So many voices clamouring for action on Food policy.
Do people realise that mounjaro is an appetite suppressant? It doesn't matter whether your diet is crap or not, whether McDonald's or Michelin star it makes you want to eat less, that's how it works.
Also - for this if it's a choice obviously. In fact a bit annoyed it is being given freely to the unemployed rather than the rest of us who might want it as well. Sometimes in this country we just want to um and arr, pick holes and fence sit when what we need is action, policies and decisions. Yes there will be problems, but this is a trial - it will find those problems - at least something is being tried to try and fix the problem rather than pontificate about it.
How many free Taylor Swift concerts have the manufacturers of these weight loss injections treated ministers to recently?
Streeting is a bit chunky himself, isn't he,
I can't even believe this is a topic of conversation. The amount of people who are out of work, who are obese, are not necessarily unemployed for that reason. Obesity looks rather normal in many people in our society also. In fact, the majority of Brits and Americans are "technically" obese even though you may not look it or seem it. So is the government going to track people's BMI along with their employment history? What if the reason for the unemployment has NOTHING to do with the individual's obesity? And if someone is being taken care of by family or a monetary inheritance, is it not their right to sit around and do nothing? No, it's not ideal but it's just a personal choice in the end. Are we all not free to be miserable? Why should anyone force anyone to be more productive than they want to be? Granted, if they are on benefits and are just lazy, that's a problem. But that's also a safety net that no one should be paying for imo. The idea though. that in a free society, the government can discuss schemes to better people's health so they can work more, sounds dystopian. I know Britain is struggling at the mo, but wow. Personally, I think there's too much socialism and not enough individualism. David Starkey (the historian) argues this point well, and he says that England used to be a very individualistic society until recent decades when it started to follow a more European socialist model. He says it did this without shedding its former individualistic nature, which is what led to world-altering achievements. In contrast, America continues to have this culture of individualism (in spades) and Starkey's argument is that there is a direct link from this ideology of individualism to innovation, revolution, and economic growth. His summation is that the British empire and the Industrial Revolution both changed the world and were the products of an ambitious, capitalist, and individualistic society.
Don't criticize this! I've been on 'the jab' since about February and have lost more than 50 pounds and it's cost a great deal of money. The idea of giving this miracle to poor people free on the NHS is a godsend. Forget the whys, just let the little people have something nice for a change!
The issue here isn't just going after fat people. The medications do work, there's evidence of that, but this is a bit like locking the gate after the horse has bolted. If you want to change the way the country eat, you have to go back to school.
For kids, bring back healthy cookery classes, introduce 1 hour of physical activity a day, and take away options like chips in the school canteen.
For adults, ban adverts that promote unhealthy eating habits. Find a way of making vegetables cheap (like they are everywhere else in the world) and crap food expensive. Don't send obese people to the gym on some 3-month contract they have to attend, because they do bugger all while they are there and once the time is up, they vanish into thin air. Provide obese adults with mandatory cookery classes, so they can see how cheap and easy it is to make healthy meals, and... as the kids will be doing it in school, they can cook as a family! Lastly... you also need to look at the benefit system. There are unquestionably people living in real hardship, who live off benefits, I'm not denying that, but no-one should live on benefits for 10, 15 or 20 years. If you haven't found a job in 6-months, they need to be stopped. No matter what the job is, work is important. It's good for your physical & mental well-being, and it helps with social skills. Above all else, you are earning for yourself and not relying on the state.
Use the medication as a short-term solution if that's what's necessary, but change the system for the long-term and the benefits of that will be around for generations.
Obesity is a public health crisis, this will make a big difference, there is no argument here just pointing out that it won't fix everything (of course it won't) and it is 'dystopian'.
These drugs do not work on their own. The user also has to be committed to eating a healthy and somewhat limited diet and giving someone a drug will not produce motivation. That is an idiotic proposition.
Comments here require evidence. I have been on medication since 1972 for epilepsy. One of my antiepileptic meds causes weight gain. I'm fat-ish. I can't change the med. The docs can't change the med. I hate it. But it's better than dying. Now here's a chance to lose the weight by meds - after fifty years? And I have no problem with being thin for the rest of my life after fifty years of imposed excess weight. I kept my job until the doc said retire - age 56. And I have been rigorous on eating the 'right diet' .
Some people like me want to simply feel better, look better and get / keep a job. So there folks. Damn you. Look and learn.
Will the injections be compulsory?
Shouldn't the wokester mob be calling for this to be mandatory for all chubbies?
The precedent has been set after all - the NHS must be saved at all costs. 😂😂
if you are obese even overweight to lose weight has an extremely good chance of making you a fair bit better. I've seen a good friend & to this country bringin foods in from Canada in the war then struggle to lose weight & fail & that failure, killed him. Food needs to be better regulated--for sure. As to cooking to cook a good healthy stew & put it in the fridge will give you your main meal for the week at the cost off four minutes reheating. Granted all the other multi factors need to be addressed & answered which is a long job.
To be fair when a type of pregnant chick gets 7/8th Months its more effective to do a rolly Polly to shop than walk !
Mr Marr's pals who have been telling him that the drugs are working well for them are, I am guessing, London-based middle-class professionals and not unemployed labourers in Hartlepool. I imagine that the middle-class types will also heed the advice that you need to change your lifestyle choices on diet as well as using the drugs; however, I am not sure that non-middle-class-metropolitans will necessarily want to make changes to their diets. Quinoa salad and avocado on toast doesn't appeal to everyone. Mushy peas on toast anyone?
Yep the fact of the matter is we have huge unemployment as a consequence of Bank of England policy plus the long consequences of deindustrialisation.
Here you go, have this weight loss jab so you can continue eating highly processed food which is the main cause of your weight gain.
Rachel Reeves to push forward with £3bn sickness benefits cut in Budget
The various rught wing governments of Europe and the USA have inigirmly failed . Should we recognise voting for the ironically named right as a mental health issue, remove people holding these abhorrent views from employment and employ rational people instead?
FFS. Literally handing it over to Farage’s fannies with these silly ideas. 😢
You’ve all gone mad for god sake. Maybe there’s an injection for all reasons for unemployment?
Andrew marr. Brain operation on the private
Spoiler: no it won't
I want to like Wes Streeting, I really do. Like me he’s gay and has worked very hard to get where he is. So why do I find him so irritating?
Finally I agree with Starmer on something
Enough already - the female presenter and Andrew Marr are too pompous for these podcasts
Ah more right wing client journalism.
To much paid on benefits that's what makes you fat
I can only suggest you actually look up on the government website how much Universal Credit actually is: £393 a month top rate for adults over 25. That's why food bank use has exploded
The value of social security benefits has halved since 1979 and then there's the small issue of the Bank of England imposing an unemployment rate of around 6% to "manage inflation" i.e hold down wages. Just calculate the figures: 2.5 million people out of work versus (at the last count) 841,000 job vacancies.
Not really no.
So rather spend on this than protect pensioners
Quite so - would we protect just the thin pensioners or do the fat ones count as well?