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  • @bogster9
    @bogster9 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    Older I get, The more I get Andrew Marr. Never thought I'd say that.

  • @shaneintheuk2026
    @shaneintheuk2026 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +13

    11:49 my understanding of Pefsnuffle is that you can count assets against debt. So if we borrow money to build council houses, the houses count as assets that balance out the debt. The current system just counts the debt. It’s why we got into the stupid system of getting private companies to build prisons, hospitals and roads for us and then charging us inflated prices for using them.

    • @PJH13
      @PJH13 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      You can, but the risk of that approach is how you assign value to assets vs. their actual productivity. I could build something completely useless, that produces no boost to GDP or tax revenue, but argue its worth £XB because it costs that much to built.

    • @butlerpa100
      @butlerpa100 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Fool. You miss the requirement of income to pay back the cost of building

    • @shaneintheuk2026
      @shaneintheuk2026 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@PJH13 agreed. Both have flaws but you need realise that when making policy. The current system has allowed some companies to rip off the country because politicians have been happy to sign up for ruinous projects. Currently you have a situation where councils are paying rogue landlords ridiculous rents because they can’t build their own houses.

    • @colincampbell4261
      @colincampbell4261 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@butlerpa100you charge rent on the housing. Doh!

    • @chrisfell5073
      @chrisfell5073 15 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      and so who builds everything? Nationalise the builders - i dont think they even do that in China anymore maybe North Korea.

  • @jona826
    @jona826 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +14

    My company is outsourcing lots of UK jobs to India at the end of the month. If you make it too expensive for companies to hire UK workers they will simply outsource.

    • @ulysees321
      @ulysees321 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      i work with companies that have done this and outsourced to India, a lot of them are absolutely useless employees,(i work in IT and functions that should take 30 minutes (ie patching servers) can take 3 hours and tie up multiple people rather than one decent well paid employee also the attrition is over the hill, I've seen people quit before they even start as the only way they get pay rises over there is to job jump , lucky to get 12 months out of an employee

    • @mattpreece6106
      @mattpreece6106 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      your company is the problem. When minimum wage came in companies threatened to outsource or leave. Few did. Big companies will do that for cheap labor regardless

    • @contemporaryschoolofpiano
      @contemporaryschoolofpiano ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yes - the government has rocks in their head.

    • @alanbradley9621
      @alanbradley9621 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Maybe this is the intention. To kowtow to India that is. Brit jobs going to the wall under pressure of outsourcing threat.

    • @hens_ledan
      @hens_ledan ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Of course you can if you want. That's your perogative. However, it's the perogative of customers to stop using companies that do this. Some Indian call centres, for example, have shredded UK customer relations and we've dropped two suppliers, simply because their service is no longer usable. There's also the tiny issue of loyalty: If you signal that you have no loyalty to the UK, you can expect your UK customers to cease being loyal to you in return.

  • @judithdavidson2356
    @judithdavidson2356 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +14

    Do employers not work?

    • @glostergloster6945
      @glostergloster6945 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      Many of them no. The execs do f all in many cases

    • @greendegenerationx
      @greendegenerationx 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@glostergloster6945And what about SMEs? Daft comment. Millions of working people will be affected by this, from a centrist Labour voter here too. I'm not against it per se, but they've definitely been sneaky here

    • @JudyColes
      @JudyColes ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@greendegenerationx I think “sneaky” may be a gross understatement!

    • @VinceLammas
      @VinceLammas 36 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      The, very technical, point is most employers are "corporate entities", legal vehicles for conducting business rather than actual people. While taxing a company reduces the amount of money that is available for salaries, those personal incomes are not being taxed any further. Sneaky? I dont think so!

  • @VinceLammas
    @VinceLammas 42 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +1

    Everything I hear in this episode is, in my view, consistent with the messages that Labour (and Reeves) have been using since the start on 2024.
    I dont see any problem with the strategy or the handling of the messages if you accept the timetable for the budget is shaped by the need to set expectations and deal with the reaction of financial markets.
    I hope Labour use the technicalities Willl explored to maximise investment in this country - its what the UK really needs.

  • @gleeart
    @gleeart 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Those broad shoulders will be doing a bunk disappearing into the sunset they won't be supporting naff all.

  • @paddymitchell4995
    @paddymitchell4995 3 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    The quicker Scotland gets out of this mess the better.

  • @JP-rv6hg
    @JP-rv6hg 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

    So the Govt is taxing jobs and investment and taking from Pensioners… Odd strategy…

  • @markmetters6506
    @markmetters6506 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Who is working people, every one works and pays taxes unless you live on Pluto. Politicians lie period 😮

  • @OneAndOnlyMe
    @OneAndOnlyMe 17 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +1

    UK *is* in a good position economically. In France and Germany, the far right are getting too close to power for comfort. Here in the UK, our far right party has no chance of winning power thanks to our first past the post system.

  • @kopperbird6665
    @kopperbird6665 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    Employers NI. They never said they wouldn’t raise that.

    • @bluelit4830
      @bluelit4830 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      They never said they will either.

    • @tomnorton7817
      @tomnorton7817 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@bluelit4830 yeah, that's not how reality works

    • @PJH13
      @PJH13 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      They said they wouldn't raise NI, full stop. If they meant employee NI they should've said that; not making that clear was deliberately misleading.

    • @tomnorton7817
      @tomnorton7817 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@PJH13 they said they wouldn't raise taxes on working people. I'm comfortable on that delineation to be honest. Almost no one is going to notice if employers NI goes from 13.8% to 15%, say. Take home pay at the bottom of the payslip will remain unchanged for PAYE earners, which is most of the workforce.

    • @barrypodmore
      @barrypodmore 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@PJH13 They said they won't raise NI for working people. Inference is that it will be raised for employers.

  • @advocate1563
    @advocate1563 4 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    They are such liars. Do they think we'll forget? Nah. Dead in the water narcissists.

  • @neilp7623
    @neilp7623 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    You voted for labour. Lol

  • @paulgilliland2992
    @paulgilliland2992 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    And some form of copayment is coming for certain visits for MD visits is coming. It has too if they want any more funding.

  • @Wouldntyouliketoknow2
    @Wouldntyouliketoknow2 17 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    "As a bonus, it lets us borrow more money".. I dont see this as a bonus. Maybe I am old school in thinking government should be borrowing less money.

  • @butlerpa100
    @butlerpa100 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    She will simply raise unemployment. That’s all she is capable of. Every labour government has raised unemployment EVERY TIME.

  • @janeknight3597
    @janeknight3597 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

    I might suggest that you don’t waste money on Carbon Capture over the lifetime of this government and spend the money on good programmers for the increasingly digital NHS.
    We need to stop people being added to the bottom of waiting lists as well as taking them off the top

    • @robertsmith9810
      @robertsmith9810 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Careful you are talking sense, i think maybe you are NOT Labour voter, so on the wrong site

  • @simonpapworth8974
    @simonpapworth8974 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Right, let's be clear....the amount raised by the winter fuel cut would not in any scenario have that much of an effect on an apparent 'market panic' of a scale similar to the Truss announcements - that just does not stack up.

  • @cobbler40
    @cobbler40 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    National Insurance is insuring against what ? It does not go into a pot to make sure you get a pension and good healthcare. It is a tax !

  • @lheureexquise140
    @lheureexquise140 43 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +2

    The grown ups are back in charge!!!!

  • @graemereid3976
    @graemereid3976 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    If all this proposed infrastructure investment is such a no-brainer, why can't ordinary people just raid their own bank accounts and invest directly themselves?

    • @VinceLammas
      @VinceLammas 33 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Ordinary people dont have the power to raise income through taxation but they are are indeed free to "raid their own bank accounts" to invest in assets or developnew skills.

  • @glostergloster6945
    @glostergloster6945 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Noone cares about fiscal rules, like noone

    • @LA-fr7fx
      @LA-fr7fx 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ignoring fiscal rules - if/when swap rates rise and hence mortgage borrowing rates rise, a lot of people will care 😊

  • @andrewdavies8954
    @andrewdavies8954 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Afraid have lost interest what Marr has to say these days .

  • @waikanaebeach
    @waikanaebeach 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The public private partnership model failed. The government pays less a rate than anyone else, they can run an overdraft with BoE. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how government funding works.

  • @paulhignett378
    @paulhignett378 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Labour must think the country of full of bodybuilders the way they think everyone can take it. Although lockdown and furlough was way too leniwi and we will pay for it for decades

  • @waikanaebeach
    @waikanaebeach 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    All she has to do is make NI proportional tax rather than the regressive tax it is.

  • @mattpreece6106
    @mattpreece6106 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Title is total click bait. Nowher did it ever say taxes for companies wont rise. It simply stated that "workers" taxes wont in the key areas

  • @stopthetories
    @stopthetories 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +22

    Not for working people

    • @bluelit4830
      @bluelit4830 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Explaining how businesses work to a labour zombie is futile exercise but let’s try again.
      Working people are hired by EMPLOYERS. Increasing taxes on said employers means less money for them to expand their businesses or pay their employees higher wages. Now tell me labour zombie - do you think employers grow money on trees?

    • @petermarshall8750
      @petermarshall8750 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Disappointing clickbait from New Statesman here.

    • @Philsmahsmchjsb
      @Philsmahsmchjsb 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Not for anyone except migrants

    • @PJH13
      @PJH13 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      The OBR did some analysis and found 80% of employers NI gets passed on to employees in lower wage increases. So even if you believe that only employees are 'working people', and that there was nothing dishonest about saying NI when they meant employee NI, this is still a tax on working people.

    • @MattBooth
      @MattBooth 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I wouldn't even care if they put it back to 10% like it was at the start of the year. We all know Hunt only lowered it to create an election campaign trap for Labour (which they refused to walk into, because it wasn't very hidden).
      A frank conversation with the country about what Hunt did, why he did it and what putting it back up will achieve is all that's needed. Ignore the media and the pollsters, stirring it up.

  • @FalkeEins
    @FalkeEins 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    ..perhaps someone could explain how tax rises of any description actually stimulate growth. Starmer's talking down the economy isn't helping. And anyone notice Barnier in France has just announced large tax rises (and spending cuts) to try and raise 66 bn euros. So it would appear whether right or (so-called) left, fiscal policy is the same ...

  • @deadandburied7626
    @deadandburied7626 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Mant elderly pensioners do not have broad financial shoulders.

  • @richierich7609
    @richierich7609 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Taylor Swift should offer Keith Starmer and Rachel Reeves more free concert tickets and a TWENTY minute sit-down meeting in exchange for financing national insurance via a hike in the capital gains rate and tax on unrealized stock and real estate gains.

  • @glynsmith4590
    @glynsmith4590 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    None of the self promoting 'expert journos' know what's in the budget so the make it all up to give them something to write about!!!!!

  • @stevec6232
    @stevec6232 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    So why no breakdown of 22bn blackhole and train drivers pay increases when you're in a crisis?

  • @Wouldntyouliketoknow2
    @Wouldntyouliketoknow2 32 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +1

    As a high rate tax payer who is raising a family, I am absolutely flat broke with no margins month to month. More tax rises even if shouldered by employers will be reflected back on employees for example by not pushing up wages in line with inflation. It will be a tax on employees in the end it always is. I despair with this country.

  • @chieftandriver703
    @chieftandriver703 34 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank god the grownups are in charge

  • @johnestok277
    @johnestok277 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    So there’s going to be a lot of investment-who’s gonna do all this blue collar/trades kind of work? Isn’t part of the problem with the lack of housing is the lack of tradesman to do it? I think the UK needs more housing than just about any of the infrastructure project.

    • @PJH13
      @PJH13 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yep, need to set-up a funding structure to support their training. Atm university students get enormous funding, whilst apprentices get very little at all so why would you do the latter.

  • @OneAndOnlyMe
    @OneAndOnlyMe 23 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    It's almost as if Jeremy Hunt saw what happened to Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng, and thought, "Hmmm, I could weaponize this and lay a trap for the next Chancellor".

  • @OneAndOnlyMe
    @OneAndOnlyMe 19 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Yes, get the bad news out as early on in the Parliament as you can. Five years is long time in politics, voters forget most of the details.

  • @martineyles
    @martineyles 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The bond market doesn't matter. Borrow from the bank of England instead.

    • @waikanaebeach
      @waikanaebeach 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Finally some that understands the system

    • @PJH13
      @PJH13 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Ah yes, because the financial markets will definitely not react in any way to you deciding you don't care what they think. That approach worked out so well for the lettuce.

    • @waikanaebeach
      @waikanaebeach 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@PJH13 clearly you don’t understand the sovereign bond markets and how Central banks control the yields.

    • @barrypodmore
      @barrypodmore 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The BOE have just given back £10 billion.

    • @PJH13
      @PJH13 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@waikanaebeach please, enlighten me. I do love to be patronised by someone who assumes I clueless.

  • @richardbradley1532
    @richardbradley1532 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I suspect a misleading headline. Wonder why?

  • @andrewbennett7756
    @andrewbennett7756 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    She will tax kids pocket money next 💰💰 next im not surprised she hasn't put tax on school dinners 😞😞😞😞 and anything els she can tax tax on breathing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @fabius5366
    @fabius5366 2 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Again, incompetent comments on the Guild Bond market dynamics. The bonds interest rate component is related to risk of economic mismanagement and consequent economic crash, even default as a remote possibility, and forecast on inflation (the value of the goes down on the secondary market). Another important consideration, for foreign investors, is the currency (GB pound) stability and strength.

  • @andrewrose7800
    @andrewrose7800 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Surely they won't raise taxes after promising not to. After all, they've always kept their promises.

  • @jjs95II
    @jjs95II 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Ding domg

  • @butlerpa100
    @butlerpa100 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    £22 billion pound of bull crap. Never existed and they still cant find it and tell us where it is

    • @Lynnpjjbdndji
      @Lynnpjjbdndji 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's was 22 of Billion of unfunded spending... And 20 Billion of unfunded national insurance cuts .... It's easy to fact check ...do your homework or you look stupid !

    • @VinceLammas
      @VinceLammas 22 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      You dont "find" a a solution to a funding shortfall by suddenly realising its down the back of the sofa!!

  • @thomaspurdy7456
    @thomaspurdy7456 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tax. Tax. Tax. Then Tax more. Its time we start thinking about the future of those just starting out. Shame on those pensioners who continue to take without interest in giving their fair share. Tax some more. Tax yo momma and yo daddy.

  • @adrianward7888
    @adrianward7888 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Andrew you supported these labour muppets. Now your rhetoric is changing.

  • @DonPedroTheDude
    @DonPedroTheDude 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Is it a manifesto breach? Debatable. It can only be said to not be a tax on working people by the entent to which it is not a stealth tax.
    If employers do not actually pass through payroll taxes (economists think they do), then it is a tax on business. If employers do pass the tax by reducing wages, then it is a stealth tax and workers' wages will be suppressed by this national insurance increase.

  • @Adrian-jk4kx
    @Adrian-jk4kx ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Labour voters....HG Wells's Eloi in action...oblivious to their own folly .

  • @georgethompson453
    @georgethompson453 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If they screw this budget up and the economy flatlines or goes into recession they may need to raise more money next year. Doom talk destroys confidence!

  • @LouieSapcote-vy5xl
    @LouieSapcote-vy5xl ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Talk about Brexit. Labour are climbing a mountain left by the incompetent tories.

  • @andrewbennett7756
    @andrewbennett7756 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Labour want the old days back the winter of disconnected i can rember 4 day week power cuts i stood on the strike gates at fords halewood on strike soon there will be no factory s left