The tiny box company is worth 10 million and employees over 100 staff. Rachel really did take that small company to the next level by hard work and determination.
I found it fascinating how quickly the dragons figured out Christian and they were right. Now that is another reason why they are where they are. The skill of reading people is soooo important.
@@fredpuntdroad8701 Well, it's been around for quite a few years and generally meant a middle aged women, typically white, who complains to the manager or police to get her way and bully others.
The way Guy sneakily highjacked Duncan's increased bid to improve his own counterbid back to the trio. Very smart play, you could tell Duncan was impressed by his smile
@@Romans8-9 you over value custom work than someone buys it with duty money and you call it income frm Art business, bank it than you can use it without questions where the huge amounts came from 😉. It's a practice by drug dealers and criminals, illegal sources of funds
@@muziendlovu6373 Ok but why would Peter Jones need to launder money through an art dealer? These are known successful businessmen with legit companies. To say they need an art dealer to "launder money" is just baseless and slanderous imo.
As critical as he was, everything he said was right - freeze frame around 24:32 and everything else he said. But clearly she worked at improving the business to the standards she envisioned herself at - to the standards the investors saw in her. Good on her, well deserved.
The difference between Duncan and Theo was that Theo took the time to ask the guy about his obvious addiction problems first and made his decision with all the facts.
In case people were curious about Christian Richardson, the man from the Tiny Box Company pitch who revealed his passion was broadcasting in the follow-up: he goes by the professional name Robin Banks and he had success in radio and as a TV personality. He's a husband and father now, and at least from outward appearances it seems he was able to keep clean.
Part of the reason the Dragons were so keen to have the art instead of a share of the profits is simply for tax avoidance. Double win for the Dragon, assets that also keep up or exceed inflation.
I think it would definitely be taxed at current market value as a taking, but that can be downplayed when filing taxes. And yes, if should hold or exceed the value of the investment, so that's a benefit. Idk if they sold, but the dragons could always sell pieces themselves for a good profit if all else fails. They have a good name in the UK and the show benefits that. Or they could keep the pieces and simply consider it a patronage of the arts and not feel like they overspent, but got some value themselves as people.
@@Honey_Daddy when you sell the art, if you profit you still have to pay capital gains tax if you make a profit and the ceiling is being reduced to 3k where you have to pay said tax which is probably around 20% for these guys, furthermore if the dragons did end up having to sell the pieces then that would likely be because they wouldnt sell anywhere else or other issues causing the business to cease trading for whatever reason, in which case the perceived "value" of these items would also plummet through the floor so if they did have to sell the items themselves and pay capital gains tax, they might be able to recover their initial investment
Yeah but remember that rich people are weird when it comes to art. They balk at having to pay too much for something practical, but if it's something they can put on display in their Grand Foyer or whatever then it's suddenly like kids in a candy store. Normal people would NEVER spend that kind of money on art, so it's kind of hard for most of us to see buying a bunch of sculptures as an investment. It's almost as confusing as why some people will pay millions of dollars for NFTs. The plebs (like me) will never understand, and it always makes me vomit just a little in my mouth when I see those kinds of sales go through.
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@@IRCW so true 😂😂 but I had to read a few comments to see if it was worth the watch.. & you never guess what!! I still didn’t get to the part where he forgot to hold his drink lmao
I've got a couple of tiny boxes. I think they originally contained chocolates or something. They make pretty storage boxes and maintain their integrity well. She was right
I am not an art expert by any means, but those sculptures look mint. They're appealing to look at, beyond what they're all about. Great building and detail. Phenomenal.
But it just made me think it’s not much different than the roller blades i have and it has the stopper on it. Maybe it is due to the angles like she said 🤷🏾♀️. It’s a shame that guy wasn’t all in like he said.
@@ZeeNastee Same. They're ok works of craftsmanship, working the forge and all, but seem super cringey. Posters of musicians always seemed weird to me too.
The skaters on the Isle of Wight should have these supplied. The owners of the ice-rink there closed it down and hundreds of people were sadly affected. It costs them a fortune to pay the ferry fares to be able to practise off-island.
The art one is interesting… he started the process in 2007 when the economy was booming, but the exhibition was in 2009 post-crash. I guess there were far less people buying music sculptures for tens of thousands of pounds!
Art is very resilient in times of financial crisis. The market only took a slight dip after the 08 recession. There has also been prior recessions were the art market did not get impacted. When in times of financial crisis, there will always be rich people buying up art still.
26:20 - well she accurately predicted where the whole packaging industry was shifting 15 years before it happened. Everything is made of recycled materials now.
@@BlissetEris he wasn't even right tho. Failed to see the market and now that company is making alot of money because of the demand. He doesn't understand why ethics is important to many people because he's a rock head.
He wasn't exactly wrong, there's a reason most packaging isn't recycled and it's because new is always cheaper. Recycling is of course good and definitely needed, but that's what he means by a "crusade" it's trying to solve an issue not be profitable.
It's always surprising to see how nice they are backstage and how close they all are
They know how to separate business from personal. I was explaining that to my daughter the other day
Well we are watching a reality show so they have to turn it up a notch or no one is going to watch
On camera at least
Yes! I love the shot of Peter and Duncan sitting together.
Its really nice to see that they're all just people too. It really is.
The artist guy is so calm and collected
The recycling business was actually spot on, nowadays it would be pretty successful, the lady was right about it being a future market
Her website is still going! Can't be too bad!
They made 600 grand net profit last year per companies house, so yeah.
6.5m revenue in 2020, not too bad…
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The tiny box company is worth 10 million and employees over 100 staff. Rachel really did take that small company to the next level by hard work and determination.
Duncan was short sighted and arrogant.
and peter jones still has it in his portfolio.
@Lee Hollebon uh everyone watching this video, obviously
I found it fascinating how quickly the dragons figured out Christian and they were right. Now that is another reason why they are where they are. The skill of reading people is soooo important.
@Lee Hollebon i care
Theo roasting all the other dragons backstage is great. I'd love more clips of banter like that.
I love Duncan's face after the box company namedrops Google 😂😂😂
Such a rookie move from him, must of not had his coffee that morning. Just destroyed any potential with his anger lol
It wasn't a name drop, he asked her for the names of some of their customers. Keep up.
Somewhere out there, scouring the beaches.. The cold & lonely beaches of west Scotland.. Is a wild Rory hunting Seaweed.
Aye laddie, it's the best job in the world!
I have the best job in the world
Macron is after him. It's only a matter of time.
No seaweed, no sales, no profit!
All Rory fans like this comment!
"We've got two Karens...". A phrase that sent shivers down millions of people's spines.
🤣😭
Whats a karen?
@@macflod I felt no shiver either.
@@macflod
It's become an expression for an arrogant woman who goes hysterical at the drop of a hat and attacks and harasses people in public.
@@fredpuntdroad8701 Well, it's been around for quite a few years and generally meant a middle aged women, typically white, who complains to the manager or police to get her way and bully others.
Duncans face when they said Google contacted them was classic
Time stamp ?
@@doctorpanigrahi9975 25.20
@@gordontaylor854 :
and later, when the story of the woman was discovered even worse. The peak was when Peter made the offer.
The way Guy sneakily highjacked Duncan's increased bid to improve his own counterbid back to the trio. Very smart play, you could tell Duncan was impressed by his smile
I guess your are not in business?
@@mariemccann5895 You would be correct
😂
@@The2Lego2Freaki need work i sold all my ships long ago.
*Plot twist:*
Theo doesn't actually have any kids to leave an inheritance to, all his fortune is going to his cat named Mitens😼
_Mitens_
James caan really wore the sunglasses and totally forget about his cup filled with liquid HAHHAHHA
Man said liquid u alien lol
@@localshopkeeper9517 fluid
Khan*
@@noneofyobusiness1503 Nah it's Caan bruh
He’s obviously had a bit to drink by then
Oh don't mind me, I'm just headed off to get 16 buckets of popcorn for this Dragon's Den marathon!
They look so stern sitting there,what a fun bunch behind the scenes 😁
This was by far the best episode I have seen so far... and boy I have seen a lot! :) Brilliant. Hats off!
Guy looks like if Richard Branson was addicted to shrooms
😂
Are you implying that Richard Branson isn't addicted to shrooms?
And Yorkshire pudding
pork wine
@@YehNahYehAyyI 😅
Guy:
For the low low price of £70,000, I will launder millions for you through the art world.
Say no more! Really, please stop talking. You had me at "launder."
Sounds like a bargain. Where do I sign?
How does the laundering work?
@@Romans8-9 you over value custom work than someone buys it with duty money and you call it income frm Art business, bank it than you can use it without questions where the huge amounts came from 😉. It's a practice by drug dealers and criminals, illegal sources of funds
@@muziendlovu6373 Ok but why would Peter Jones need to launder money through an art dealer? These are known successful businessmen with legit companies. To say they need an art dealer to "launder money" is just baseless and slanderous imo.
The tiny box company is now worth 10m, Peter and Theo certainly got their 30k investment worth each!
Christian is fuming
Chavy is a gear head 🤣
@Sam kid was on the packet in his interview thing after. Was wired tf.
I just had a quick look at their public filings and wow they have really grown! It has taken awhile but business is booming.
As critical as he was, everything he said was right - freeze frame around 24:32 and everything else he said.
But clearly she worked at improving the business to the standards she envisioned herself at - to the standards the investors saw in her. Good on her, well deserved.
Sculptor top guy! James genuine appreciation and passion to art is very refreshing.
James is a snake. He's ripped off DD businesses was dropped from the show becsuse of it.
@@tc98826 Wow that is sour!
@@tc98826who is dd business
The difference between Duncan and Theo was that Theo took the time to ask the guy about his obvious addiction problems first and made his decision with all the facts.
“At what point did you feel that Racheal can’t talk for herself” 24:00 🤣🤣🤣 savage
they're called dragons for a reason
😂 though he could've just said "I'm talking to Rachel here" instead of the whole relationship thing 😂
its always good to see that the dragons actually have a heart.
I think it's more about the money than heart. If they hadn't made money they wouldn't be all that mushy.
All dragons have a heart, you have to pierce it through a tiny crack in their scaly armor. Read the books!
In case people were curious about Christian Richardson, the man from the Tiny Box Company pitch who revealed his passion was broadcasting in the follow-up: he goes by the professional name Robin Banks and he had success in radio and as a TV personality. He's a husband and father now, and at least from outward appearances it seems he was able to keep clean.
Good for him
Ohh yeah use to have that song fun loving criminals - snooby snacks played on his show lol
When he's not Robin Banks is he still a Christian? :¬)
He narrated MythBusters didn’t he?
@@joshuaaaron125 he did
Part of the reason the Dragons were so keen to have the art instead of a share of the profits is simply for tax avoidance. Double win for the Dragon, assets that also keep up or exceed inflation.
Did the art actually sell? 3/100 is not enough clearly
I think it would definitely be taxed at current market value as a taking, but that can be downplayed when filing taxes. And yes, if should hold or exceed the value of the investment, so that's a benefit. Idk if they sold, but the dragons could always sell pieces themselves for a good profit if all else fails. They have a good name in the UK and the show benefits that. Or they could keep the pieces and simply consider it a patronage of the arts and not feel like they overspent, but got some value themselves as people.
@@astronemir I see your name. What do you think of the new series?
That’s the entire reason why people buy fine art
@@Honey_Daddy when you sell the art, if you profit you still have to pay capital gains tax if you make a profit and the ceiling is being reduced to 3k where you have to pay said tax which is probably around 20% for these guys, furthermore if the dragons did end up having to sell the pieces then that would likely be because they wouldnt sell anywhere else or other issues causing the business to cease trading for whatever reason, in which case the perceived "value" of these items would also plummet through the floor so if they did have to sell the items themselves and pay capital gains tax, they might be able to recover their initial investment
The sculptures guy really hustled till the end and ended up winning. That’s how you do it. You gotta hustle until y’all agreen.
Yeah but remember that rich people are weird when it comes to art. They balk at having to pay too much for something practical, but if it's something they can put on display in their Grand Foyer or whatever then it's suddenly like kids in a candy store. Normal people would NEVER spend that kind of money on art, so it's kind of hard for most of us to see buying a bunch of sculptures as an investment. It's almost as confusing as why some people will pay millions of dollars for NFTs. The plebs (like me) will never understand, and it always makes me vomit just a little in my mouth when I see those kinds of sales go through.
@@johnsmithe4656 the art world is some what shady in my opinion.
It's mostly related to evading taxes etc and saving their money from inflation.
the art world preys on the riche peoples weakness and greed
@@magnem1043 the art world, yes. Individual artists, mostly no.
Lol the MySpace pic 😂
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I love how they're all so goofy and make fun of each other backstage
Why have I never seen James Khan spilling his drink all over him while trying to put on sunglasses loool
Caan, not Khan...
@Adam Kola Is that a question, or a statement?
@Adam Kola No worries mate. ☺
@@Locutus would of been a child who said that
He was 100% drunk
Been watching these Dragons Den videos for a long time and am pleased the Dragons are there to help the right people.
Congrats Rachael x
Soo nice to see the result, hardly ever seen. Thanks 😊
I’m dead at James forgetting about holding his drink 😂😂😂😂😂
Say what 😂😂😂🤪 I haven’t even seen that part yet but how funny
@@Only1SapphireDiamond that’s why you should never read the comments before watching the video😂
@@IRCW so true 😂😂 but I had to read a few comments to see if it was worth the watch.. & you never guess what!! I still didn’t get to the part where he forgot to hold his drink lmao
19:21 HOW COULD YOU MISS THAT FACE LMAO
It’s sweet to see how nice they really are and how close they got on
Go away Kakegurui this is business not gamble
@@SangNguyen-uz4pb what’s the need mate
Bro, when Teo jumped with happiness at the end, it made my heart warm-up
51:38 Almost tripped lol
you just know they aint traveling around in that coach haha
Christian definitely sniffed all the profits.
Pmsl
Lad
😂😂profits ? More like all the turnover
and he is sniffing again against all odds...good to know that this show deals with druggies......... and .
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A full hour treat today, you spoil us
I never thought the Hosts of Dragons Den would be like this in Backstage.
“I probably find this really stimulating” - James Caan
I just find it great that they hinted at the dog treadmill deal Duncan made and now that business is really booming
I've got a couple of tiny boxes. I think they originally contained chocolates or something. They make pretty storage boxes and maintain their integrity well. She was right
Great I'll take a 50min lunch break that's for sure...
I'm out
50 min I’m sure it’s a good earned 60
One half an hour then a 15 minute put together should do it, might need to use the bath room for a few minutes after as well
Builders take note of these lot
When the two Karens came on I was getting in my nuclear bunker expecting something.
Peter Jones displayed a good heart for this couple
Could we maybe get a video of each of the Dragons investments please? That would be great.
They already uploaded all the ones where Jenny invested.
@@jonathan206 Savage
Does anyone know how the ice skating company got on?
Loved seeing what Peter did with Tiny Box, is hearth warming!
The funny thing is looking at the recycling climate of today the couple were visionaries...so credit to them!
love how Duncan just signals them to calm down lol 45:36
Ambassador you are spoiling us with these 52 minutes
51:38 Theo nearly stacked himself
I Purposely watched for this and pissed myself just thinking of this comment🤣
17:52 The music in the background makes it feel like a Friday night dinner episode lol
Ive enjoyed seeing their personalities and that the dragons actually have fun with each other. They seem humbler than they come across in the den.
This show manages to feature some of the least asshole-y millionaires available. They're generally quite nice and reasonable
"Someone's put something in Theo's water earlier today that's turned him into one of the chuckle brothers" LMAOOO
I am not an art expert by any means, but those sculptures look mint. They're appealing to look at, beyond what they're all about. Great building and detail. Phenomenal.
51:39
His un-ironic "yippee" jump was funnier that it should have been. He nearly face planted - no money cudda saved him.
The finishing of the art pieces is stunning .
"Hello Dragons, so we've made this ethical produ...."
Duncan: "I'M OUT!"
Makes my eyes go funny looking at these old videos
16:53 that is amazing
I watched this bit 10 times.
Before even pressing the time stamp I know what the clip is
😂😂
Remember when they guy invested in the business and went to check up on it? I loved that.
I am surprised not to see Jenny visiting some of her investments 😐
That would be a short trip
Hi my name's Jenny and for that reason, Im out
Christian and Rachel, the tiny box company, he will never leave her side, yeh right im off to do my own thing.
Were they a couple?
@@otea5967 IDK. I did wonder.
Aye, off to do some ching!
The in ice skate company made so much in corona with the close of the ice rinks ! Everyone has them including me haha
Never knew Richards Bransons brother was an artist.
Or that Lionel’s brother was a comedian.
@@wingcommanderdaltonwalton67 or that Dalton Walton can't command a whole plane.
@@monkeysheep I ain’t goin on no plane!
I liked the tiny box company lady. Very down to earth. And the skate thing sounded like a non brainer to me. I wondered though about the patent
But it just made me think it’s not much different than the roller blades i have and it has the stopper on it. Maybe it is due to the angles like she said 🤷🏾♀️. It’s a shame that guy wasn’t all in like he said.
I am so glad after he spilled his drink like that, I can now sleep better knowing I’m not the only one who has done that in public
"This is ridiculous and painful" -Peter
I'm sure Guy made so much money after Amy Winehouse passed away year later in 2011.
I was thinking that must have made that piece very valuable.
Plot twist: He gave her the overdose.
@@venezzrok871😂
Even Peter thought Duncan's shot at the 1st pitch was a smart one,.and the guy did great with it.
This is brilliant, and no I can’t stop watching these, I have a bad addiction.
I loved the sculptures! The Lennon and Marley pieces are brilliant. Winehouse was lovely!
Can I interest you in 49 cryptokitties from 2017? I'll sell you the WHOLE SET for only 44 ETH.
One of the most interesting pitches I've seen
I must not know art because they all looked absolutely awful to me.
@@ZeeNastee Same. They're ok works of craftsmanship, working the forge and all, but seem super cringey. Posters of musicians always seemed weird to me too.
Bro, Peter's a beast! I never knew he was so tall
6’7”!
Theo right at the end tho “yippee”😂
19:29 the cheek on this man - he levelled them 😂
lmao I love seeing the dragons on tour. Peter is such a funny person :D
That is very good negotiating skill, Well done.
The skaters on the Isle of Wight should have these supplied. The owners of the ice-rink there closed it down and hundreds of people were sadly affected. It costs them a fortune to pay the ferry fares to be able to practise off-island.
They get to guy Portelli's exhibition and it's either "oops" or... It gives me faith in my own and all our own work
They've run out of clips, so they've been forced to go on tour...
There's loads of new clips from the more recent seasons, but for some reason they don't want to upload them 😑.
@@fourlamb1 Jenny took all the new clips out
@@fourlamb1 check dragons den 2021
@@Connieisland0
I've seen all them mate, but I'm sure there's loads I've not seen.
Thry always have an episode or two like this a season
19:13 - "It actually spray hair into his head" LOL hahaha just killed me .
19:30 - HAHAHA theo killed me here.
Anyone else just skim through the 'Where Are They Now' clips to get to the good stuff e.g the actual pitches?
The where are they now was the whole point of the video 😆
@@JakeLYT right lol because literally every other video is the pitch 🤯
i love duncans cheeky face!
The art one is interesting… he started the process in 2007 when the economy was booming, but the exhibition was in 2009 post-crash. I guess there were far less people buying music sculptures for tens of thousands of pounds!
I'd be curious if we ever sold them all. The exhibition didn't sound very successful. He talked about selling all and making millions and sold a few
@@stephjovi he sold them all. Someone else posted it.
Art is very resilient in times of financial crisis. The market only took a slight dip after the 08 recession.
There has also been prior recessions were the art market did not get impacted.
When in times of financial crisis, there will always be rich people buying up art still.
Damian Hurst eat your heart out, this is an ARTIST
26:20 - well she accurately predicted where the whole packaging industry was shifting 15 years before it happened. Everything is made of recycled materials now.
Peter jones says, " It's not always about an idea or money. it's about the individual and there story it was touching"
damn peter you are brilliant! my favorite two dragons by far Peter and Theo! no one even close to them.
My No. 1 is Debra - but I think they´re all pretty good.
Peter vs Mark Cuban ?
I love how in 2008 it was “recyclable packaging will never catch on”
Now in 2023: Recyclable boxes are the norm.
Recycled.
Love it when Duncan goes on a rant. He is brilliant :-)
He's an a$$hole, ... He may be right, no reason to be rude about it.
If you call that brilliant then you are nuts
Duncan is a horrible little prat. Awful human
@@BlissetEris he wasn't even right tho. Failed to see the market and now that company is making alot of money because of the demand. He doesn't understand why ethics is important to many people because he's a rock head.
@@allroundlad he's an old man stuck in his ways, pls understand
I'm struggling to understand why Duncan went so batshit about the recycled packaging company? Conflict of interest? Are they competitors?
He wasn't exactly wrong, there's a reason most packaging isn't recycled and it's because new is always cheaper. Recycling is of course good and definitely needed, but that's what he means by a "crusade" it's trying to solve an issue not be profitable.
Senility. He goes crazy suddenly
it shows me again the character of these two gentlemen of the Dragons Den, Peter and Theo isn't necessarily always about money
‘Turned into one of the chuckle brothers’😂
Would have bought the ice blades in a heartbeat when I was younger.
You just have to love the passion the truthful pitchers have and then you look at the hustlers.
24:23 So Duncan really doesn't like boxes... noted 😂
16:54 this moment was amazing !!
That last counter for extra 10k was sick
These guys were light years ahead of the competition. Well done them.
The guy from the box company is giving some serious zebedee from football factory vibes
Would love to learn skating with that cool gadget!!!