JFlowers Budget Carbon Fiber Cue Review Part 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- FINALLY, I am back finishing this review! I apologize for the long wait. This part 2 review goes over all the in-depth testing and results to see how it stacks up against the Predator Revo, Cuetec Cynergy as well as all the other shafts I have tested so far. Please check out the part 1 review here, • A Budget Cue with a C... , if you haven’t already. Also here is a playlist of all the shaft reviews done so far • Shaft Reviews . Well, I hope you liked this video and thanks for watching!
JFlowers Part 1:
• A Budget Cue with a C...
Shaft Review Playlist:
• Shaft Reviews
Thank you all for the support!
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
Where to get the products mentioned in the review:
J Flowers
jflowerscues.c...
Weight bolts
shrtm.nu/UPow ($40)
shrtm.nu/mjb3 (Just found this one for $20!!)
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Music site I use (Epidemic Sound): bit.ly/1oJdpW0
B-Roll Song:
Make It in Time (Cospe Remix) by Gamma Skies feat. Ebba Cospe
Monologue Background:
Somewhere on the Highway (Instrumental) by Swif7
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My Gear:
Sony A6500
Sigma 16mm 1.4f Lens
Sigma 30mm 1.4f Lens
Sony 18-105mm 4f Lens
K and F Concept Tripod
Rode Wireless Go
Diety Lav Mic
DJI Ronin SC
Neweer 18" Pancake LED Light
Go Pro Hero 5
Go Pro Session
Zoom H4N Pro
#JFlowers #Carbonfibercue #Budgetcue
Hello everyone I know it’s been a while but I finally finished this video. I hope everyone enjoys. Sorry for the louder than normal music, it didn’t sound that loud after production but does on TH-cam. Anyways, I know the music is a bit different. I wanted to change it up plus this song just spoke to me. Kind of reminds me of the Stranger Things song.
song spoke to me too!!!!
song told me turn this shit off and stop watching this video, as I got a headache!!
DITCH THE "MUSIC"!!!! or, use blues. that's pool music.
@@jdbankshot Thanks for the feedback. I too like either rock, metal, or blues for pool music and that's what I typically use in my videos but like I said in the main comment, I wanted to try something different. Also, everyone likes different kinds of music and what you and I like isn't necessarily what others like so I want to try other things from time to time. I knew this song would be a BIG NO from a lot of people but I wanted to try it out. anyways As far as using music, there are parts of the video where there's no sounds because the video is either sped up or slowed down and I use it as filler music. I still have sounds of the hits where the music is turned down. Ultimately this channel is my creative outlet and I like try differnet things from time to time.
Good to see you're back. And thanks for all the trouble you go through buying the cues and spare time you spend testing all these cues and shafts for us. It's very appreciated!
Merry Christmas and a happy new year!
Thank you and Merry Christmas to you as well!
Been bingeing your videos lately, I was sick for a few days and couldn’t play.
You got me all jazzed up to play, and today I played for a few hours and was playing my best in a while lol.
I have that cue. I went with it for first it has a really great hit especially for carbon fiber. Hits way better that the predator revo. Second it comes in at the right level of deflection for me. I really only use front hand English and am about 12 inch bridge length. So with this shaft I can just move my front hand and not have to worry about deflection. Plus when you really slow your stroke down and let the cur do the work the thing really comes to life. One thing you can do wrong with carbon fiber is you can over power the shaft. There's a lot more action transfer with them. So at slow speeds you can get some insane action out of them. This shaft especially. On other notes. I did change the tip to a moori quick and did have a Kamikaze white sight plate installed. This combo is working great for me. I did also try a techno dud tip which was a little harder to control but gave great action
You definitely get more action with less effort with CF shafts. I haven't tried a Kamikaze of Techno dud yet. I have a techno dud in my tip collection, just haven't installed it on a shaft yet. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
@@PoolAddiction it was too unpredictable for me with a carbon fiber shaft. I had great success with them on wooden shafts but at time the cue ball would take off on a soft draw shot and go 18 feet when I was only intending 4 foot. Sounds better that it actually was. The fact is I've enjoyed the harder tips and had more success with them. I really really dial my stroke back but have more control on the action. Btw it's just a white Kamikaze pad on top of the black vault plate under my tip. I mainly had installed to protect the vault plate. I really didn't mind the no ferrule but felt more comfortable about retipping my cue with it on top of the vault plate. Probably didn't need it but considered it a precaution
OMG ALL THE CARBON SHAFTS ARE MANUFACTURED AS "HOLLOW CARBON TUBES" SO THEY ALL PLAY THE SAME. ITS A HOLLOW TUBE LATER FILLED WITH FOAM. HOW DIFFERENT CAN 2 HOLLOW TUBES PLAY? ALL IN YOUR HEAD. ONLY DIFFERENCES COME FROM DIAMETER AND TAPER. OTHERWISE IT IS A HOLLOW TUBE WITH FOAM, WITH ANYBODIES NAME ON IT.
@@PostUp_Time lol sounds like you haven't hit with any carbon fiber shafts. Honestly from manufacturer to manufacturer the difference is night and day. Plus there's multiple ways the carbon blanks are made. Different ways they are filled. Some aren't even foam filled. My break shaft is lined from vibration reducing wrap and it's very close to a wood hit. Plus shaft diameter and taper really has less effect on carbon fiber than wood. At the end of the day a 11.5 mm shaft really doesn't deflect a whole lot less than a 12.8 mm shaft when dealing with carbon fiber
@@PostUp_Time so what you also say is, that all wood cues plays the same because they are all wood. What you saying makes no sense. You must have never played with different brands of cues or you never play with english
Thank you for the sound of the balls instead of music during your testing. I love it!
I will always give hit sounds at some point in the videos, usually near the end of the b-roll testing. Thanks for watching and I am glad you liked the video!
Thanks for the objective review with numbers/stats/deflection etc. Every other reviewer I saw just knocked some balls around and said "yeah its excellent!"
You're so right that a lot of people aren't doing in-depth reviews and that is why I started this channel. I want to try to do a channel similar to the electronic review channels that give really good in-depth info as well as review as many things as I can to help everyone make a good decision. By no means am I a pro, just an amateur that loves the game and wants to do what I can to help out the industry. Thank you for the comment and for watching!
Great video for all of the deflection rates you gave. I'm still looking around, but this is a great starting point for me. Considering I'm retired and on a fixed budget.
i think i have a slight problem with the term "budget". sometimes, when i just don't feel quite right at the table, i'll switch to my "players" sneaky pete, 13mm, le pro tip, wood to wood joint, & everything falls into place. it now goes for 110$, but i got it free when i purchased a lucasi. it's the player, not the gear.
You're absolutely right that it's the player, not the equipment that makes you good. As far as budget, what I meant is budget for a cue with a carbon fiber shaft. Yes, it's more expensive than a Players cue but the Players cue doesn't have a carbon fiber shaft. Ultimately what it comes down to is finding the gear that fits your game best. Thank you for the comment and thanks for watching!
Hi, my friend. Good to see you back again. I wish you and your family a merry, merry christmas time. And for sure a happy new year. Best regards from Germany
Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and your family as well!
Thanks for making this video. Good stuff
Thank you, I am glad you liked it!
One year later, I'm wondering what your favorite cue is and why. My views on cues has changed year after year. Looking back, I don't think cues make much of a difference...wood, carbon, kiel, etc. Today, cues over $300 are all good for the most part from what I've seen. I've tested many cues of my teammates and after a while, they are all the same. It comes down to preference in my opinion.
I agree preference is key. Some people like different weights, balance, length, and diameter. All that comes into play with your preference. I do notice less deflection with the CF and keilwood shafts over a normal maple shaft. Some people don't like less deflection and that's a preference also. Thanks for the comment!
@@PoolAddiction 👍
Glad to see you back. I think your videos are outstanding. Are you going to try the Becue 11.8? I just bought one a few weeks ago and I love it. I have been playing with the 12.0 for years and the 11.8 plays even better in my opinion. It's a perfect blend between that Becue feel and a Revo low deflection. Anyway, keep the videos coming.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
First off, that you for in-depth video it's what I was looking for, excellent work. I'm wondering if you have seen the Rhino cf shaft. It has a good looking add and has every type of connection which I haven't seen any other manufacture do. So could a review it. Thanks again!
Thanks, I am glad you liked the video. I will look into the Rhino a little more. I have seen it out there but haven't looked into it yet.
Would be great if you happen to have tested or going to test a Viking siege CF shaft as I am interest in that particular brand
I don’t have the Siege lined up yet but it’s on the list. Thanks for watching!
Any chance you’ll be doing a review on the Pechauer Rogue and the McDermott Defy cf shafts?
I have a friend with a defy and I plan to borrow it for a review when I can get some time. I would like to the Rougue also, hopefully, some time down the road. Thanks for watching!
Welcome back! Another con is how the weight of the cue is limited.
Wow, good catch. These types of cues seem to always have weight bolts. I just checked and I didn't any ability to use a weight bolt. That's crazy, thanks for pointing that out!
Huh? My jflowers cue has weight bolts. Was shipped directly from them.
@@LvLdGhost Really, when I lloked at there site I didn't see any, just the weight options. I must have missed it.
Great review! I just ordered their butterfly 3x4 case and the Calcutta 1 . How long did take for you to receive yours? I’m located in Texas
It wasn't very long. They have dealers in the us. As long as they have it in stock it should be quick. Thanks for watching!
What model is this?
Sorry for the delayed response. It's the JF10-11
Thank you for the fantastic videos and a happy new year.
The only thing that really disturbs me is the music in the videos. Especially when you are explaining something it is very annoying.
Best regards from Denmark
Thanks for the feedback. You are not the only one that has issues with the music. I have a certain creative way I like to do the videos, however, I am considering changing things up based on some of the comments I have received. A lot of people think I don't have any audio sound with the testing but I do within its own section of the testing. The B-roll music is meant to have something playing while the video is being played since a lot of the footage is either slowed down or sped up. As far as the background music, I try to keep it low enough to where it doesn't overpower my voice, I think a may get rid of it though since it doesn't add much value and it can be a distraction. Thanks for watching!
Would you recomend which shaft is better for good shot and draw spin ? is it Soft / Medium / hard ?
A lot of people, including myself at one time, think that soft tip grip more and therefore transfer more spin. However, Dr. Dave has put 2 different videos out about this, one was recent and the other was a few years ago. In a nutshell, he found that the difference between them were negligible. I have not done any tests myself but it think he’s correct. I think the different tip hardness is more for what you like in feel, feedback, and maintenance of the tip. I still think that medium or soft (not too soft) works well for draw but you can get good draw with any tip hardness. Hopefully that helps. Thanks for watching!
I have got one but i don’t like the Tip they provided 😢😢 which company tip should i install can anyone suggest me ?
See the other comment you posted, I replied to that post.
Dennis O...beat SVB with that cue...
Is this shaft almost the same as a cuetec shaft?
Carbon Fiber shafts are a lot alike but I would say the Cuetec is built better. Every company has its own supposed proprietary way they do their shafts and honestly, I don't know how different the construction is between the two but the Cuetec is better IMO. I don't believe you can buy the shaft only from J Flowers though. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
*HAD TO STOP WATCHING, MUSIC WAS ANNOYING AS HELL*
Sorry you didn’t like it.
The more the shaft gets broken in the better it performs 💯 %
That's good to hear!. Glad you shared that!
I'm a beginner but this doesn't seem logical. I'd love to hear you articulate why this hypothesis might be true.
I would like to see you testing Exceed Ignite Carbon Shafts .
I plan to sometime. They aren’t cheap but I really want to try one.
Where in China is this cue made? 😂
Good question. 🤔
Great review! BTW any promo codes I can use to buy one?
Unfortunately, I don't, thanks for watching though!
Great review. However I must say that I am a bit confused at your claim that the jflowers is not as low deflection as other more expensive carbon fiber shafts. Now of course I understand that no testing is perfect and there will always be differences between those who are conducting the testing. With that being said, I have watched many many many deflection test from many "testers" who have tested everything from Revo to cynergy to Jacoby black, meucci, becue, tiger, and pretty much every other carbon fiber shaft you can imagine. Of all the previous deflection test I have watched I do not recall a single test where every single deflection test shot (soft, medium or firm) never exceeded 1 inch. Your jflowers deflection test is the only deflection test that I have ever seen where the deflection, no matter if it's soft medium or firm, never exceeded 1 inch. Now of course as I said previously, no testing is perfect and there will always be differences between those conducting the test. But I have to say, compared to the prior videos I have watched, an average of .75 inches at firm, and not a single shot (soft medium or firm) deflecting more than one inch, that's absolutely amazingly consistent and amazingly low deflection. That is the most consistent and lowest deflection I have seen from any shaft I have ever watched being tested. Now please understand that my conclusion is based off of watching many different testers in many different videos knowing that no two testers are the same and that you are your own tester who cannot compare your results or findings to the results or findings of others, and are giving us your own final findings and conclusions, which myself and I'm sure many others are very appreciative of.
Thanks for the comment. I keep a running total of all the shafts I have tested so far and the J Flowers ranks 8 in soft, 6 in medium, and 5 in firm out of 8 shafts. I agree it still has great low-deflection qualities and is definitely low-deflection but it was middle of the pack of the shafts I have tested. I am not totally sure of others' testing and can only speak for my own. I really appreciate the comment and I probably need to do a video on the shaft test rankings that I have done so far. In the end, what I was trying to say is that it is low deflection but not as low deflection as the shafts I test so far and it's in the lower middle of the overall rankings. That's saying a lot considering the company that it's in. Thanks for watching the video and I am glad you liked it!
@@PoolAddiction Thank you for posting the video, and keep the awesome content coming.
@@matthewbaney2660 I’m gonna guess you’re likely comparing deflection results on a 9-foot table vs these results on a 7-foot table.
I bet you nailed it! @@EhBitTV
Awesome review, I especially loved the 480 FPS footage (and music)! I agree with most of what you said, but personally I found the JFlowers to have a lower deflection than you experienced. I've tested 17 other brands and would place the JFlowers' shaft low deflection amongst the 10% lowest. However, most are pretty much the same when it comes to how low the deflection is (IMO). Keep up the good work!
Thanks and I have seen your work as well! I like to hear people enjoying the music. Too often I get complaints about it but it's just the style I do. I love doing the slow-motion parts, it's cool to see the shots at that speed.
Thanks for your unbiased review. You seem to say that it is a decent cue for the $319 price. One thing you (and everyone else who reviews this "$319" cue) does not disclose is that for anyone buying this cue in the USA, there is an added $40 shipping charge. That makes this a $359 cue. What do you think of this cue at this price point?
I didn't know they were charging that much for shipping. At one point I believe it was free shipping but obviously that changed. Still, $359 for a full cue that has a carbon fiber shaft isn't too bad. That's still less than most of the big-name CF shafts. For me, $400 would be my limit. Thanks for watching!
Hello Sir
Thanks for your video.
I have been thinking to try some cb shafts, struggling between jf and McDermott
So just want to know
Will you test McDermott defy shaft?
The Defy is on the list but haven't gotten to it yet. I have shot with one a few times but not enough to get a good feel. I have a friend that has one, maybe he will let me borrow it for a while so I can test it. Glad you like the video and for watching!
Ob carbon shafts retail for a very good price on syberts now, it has an interchangeable joint which makes it special, can you make a review?
I will have to look into it. I have seen it on the market but haven't read up on it much. There are several CF shafts now that have an interchangeable joint. I haven't tried any of them yet but definitely need to start looking into them harder. Thanks for watching!
For reference, which cues do you find have fatter butts and more weight forward bias ?
I didn’t mean necessarily both together in one cue butt, however, in my experience Mezz tends to be both. Schon and McDermott have thicker butts but not forward biased. When I said forward biased, I meant it’s very small amount. I play with a Nitti which is a thicker butt an very slightly more forward balanced. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Lets get into this cause im back! Two months later and nothing still...
I know, I know. I’m the worst procrastinator in the world. I have a video that I’m working on talking about future videos and what I have to review to let everyone know what is coming. I wanted to do it in January but I had a busy month with several pool tournaments that were out of town. And February was a complete blur for me with work. I really want to get more videos out and just need to buckle down and make them.
Nice review. Is that a 9ft table? How wide is that room? Thanks
I wish I could fit a 9ft in my basement but unfortunately, it's a 7ft. I have the length in the room but not the width which is about 14.5 ft. Thanks for watching and I am glad you liked the video!
For the algo!
Thank you!
I play with j flowers cue, and its a very good cue.
Greetings from Swiss
I liked the cue so much that I bought a second 1 a week after the first one arrived with a different weight and different tip. I figured it be great to have just for the shaft, so I could use 1 butt with an interchangeable shaft set up. Only problem is the shafts wont interchange...1 is very loose and the other is so tight I cant get to screw down it stops almost 1/2 inch from the joint....conclusion the radial pins are slightly difference depth lengths in the butts and diameters.....so eventhough both plays well....I have 2 cues, not 1 interchangeable shaft...CON. Has any one else tried this? I originally give the JF cue in CF a 4.5 star out of 5, but now I lowered it to a 4.
This is a very informative series on the Cue, thank you! Out of curiosity... @PoolAddiction What light are you using above your table? Looks like it would be ideal to mount flush to the ceiling in my setup. :)
I have the Predator light and it’s really nice but it’s not cheap. Here’s a link to my install video on it. It wouldn’t be flush mounted but it can get really close to the ceiling.
What I think about the Predator Arena Billiard Light!? WATCH the install!
th-cam.com/video/pObqaYRDwoo/w-d-xo.html