That made me think of your video, with the older “Yeller”horse going around the pole, and eventually almost doing a turnaround, walking & trotting a very small circle & gaining better control of his feet.
I spent a few years with a Classical Master here in California, and he always spoke of how we were "gymnastisizing" the whole horse. Great video Sir. Always look forward to watching your new stuff.
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt It even kept me up late!! I love it! I'm also a neuromuscular massage therapist and will send you some pictures that are good illustrations of what you discuss.
Bret, thank you for even addressing my question. This really helped me! NOW I GET IT!!!!! Do you ever teach your colts that will be ranch horses any classical maneuvers? Any of this in the plans for the next book? Appreciate you!
I train them all the same, ranch horse, race horse show horse, dressage horse. I even trained a couple ranch horses to Spanish walk just for the heck of it.
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Yes it was me. This was a great explanation. I guess I hear the word classical and always immediately think "dressage". I really want my colt to be able to perform the classical maneuvers.
@@elgallorojo Dressage is French for training, that's all it means is training. Classical maneuvers are steps and pieces just like learning the ABC's then there sounds then reading. It is best if it is kept simple
Classical Training v Natural Horsemanship strikes me as a bogus question to be asking. To my mind, natural horsemanship is more of a mind set or operating principle (persuasion over coercion) than a training methodology. And I don't see how it has anything to do with how well trained a horse can become, or how fit, or how strong. But now I'm going to have to do some reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
I really think it is a mindset. Do I change the way a horse moves to make it think different or do I change the way a horse thinks to make it move different? One is classical training and the other is NH.
First to agree that “natural horsemanship “ is a vague term with lots of conflicting opinions as to what it is but the philosophical thought did occur to me that maybe the basic difference has something to do with training the body vs training the mind.
Natural 95% of the time typically means they are unable to compete or break a horse start to finish. Ground pen gurus. The other 5% are trainers using it as a sales tactic.
Your reference to the use of the word classical is not correct. The term came from Haute Ecole dressage not Western horsemanship. Tradition is a more suitable term, as classical refers to 'a school of'. Traditional methods do not define classical whether it is used in reference to type of methods of other. Natural horsemanship was a movement away from traditional, and were and are terms of reference, ie Western riding. Western was brought to the Americas by the Spanish and was taken from lower quality schools in Europe those being the Italian and French. If you use the term Classical in this sense it refers to quality, Haute Ecole. The traditional methods of horsemanship taken to America were not classical, and should never be referred to as such. They are tradtional or natural methods or ways of training, nothing else.
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That made me think of your video, with the older “Yeller”horse going around the pole, and eventually almost doing a turnaround, walking & trotting a very small circle & gaining better control of his feet.
exactly. That makes me happy
Very good explanation
thanks
Both of yall are awesome love seeing the horsemen coming together
@@thomasalicea8877 thank you
I spent a few years with a Classical Master here in California, and he always spoke of how we were "gymnastisizing" the whole horse.
Great video Sir. Always look forward to watching your new stuff.
Charles de Kuffney
Great explanation, thank you
thank you
Your book came today! It's good enough I may have to put my crochet down and read it through!!
Wow I never out ranked crochet before .lol. I sure hope you like it
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt It even kept me up late!! I love it! I'm also a neuromuscular massage therapist and will send you some pictures that are good illustrations of what you discuss.
@@Cecilyeg awesome
Good Information here. Thank you
glad you liked it
Bret, thank you for even addressing my question. This really helped me! NOW I GET IT!!!!! Do you ever teach your colts that will be ranch horses any classical maneuvers? Any of this in the plans for the next book? Appreciate you!
I train them all the same, ranch horse, race horse show horse, dressage horse. I even trained a couple ranch horses to Spanish walk just for the heck of it.
Was it you who asked? Good Im glad it helped
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Yes it was me. This was a great explanation. I guess I hear the word classical and always immediately think "dressage". I really want my colt to be able to perform the classical maneuvers.
@@elgallorojo Dressage is French for training, that's all it means is training. Classical maneuvers are steps and pieces just like learning the ABC's then there sounds then reading. It is best if it is kept simple
This makes so much sense to me thanks
Classical Training v Natural Horsemanship strikes me as a bogus question to be asking. To my mind, natural horsemanship is more of a mind set or operating principle (persuasion over coercion) than a training methodology. And I don't see how it has anything to do with how well trained a horse can become, or how fit, or how strong. But now I'm going to have to do some reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
I really think it is a mindset. Do I change the way a horse moves to make it think different or do I change the way a horse thinks to make it move different? One is classical training and the other is NH.
Are there any books or videos on classical training?
yes many. One of my favorites is the athletic development of the dressage horse by Charles De kuffney. Another great one is ménage Royal
Just ride those horses , expose them to lots of different things , and always be kind but firm , as horseman always be a good farrier too
First to agree that “natural horsemanship “ is a vague term with lots of conflicting opinions as to what it is but the philosophical thought did occur to me that maybe the basic difference has something to do with training the body vs training the mind.
yep
Your book !
Sry Sir ! Well done
Praise God for good Horseman
Thank you. I am glad you enjoy it
A guy rode in Or a guy wrote in ?😅
Wrote. I have a funny accent because I was always talking when I should be listening and my jaw has been broken a few times. lol
Natural 95% of the time typically means they are unable to compete or break a horse start to finish. Ground pen gurus. The other 5% are trainers using it as a sales tactic.
Your reference to the use of the word classical is not correct. The term came from Haute Ecole dressage not Western horsemanship. Tradition is a more suitable term, as classical refers to 'a school of'. Traditional methods do not define classical whether it is used in reference to type of methods of other. Natural horsemanship was a movement away from traditional, and were and are terms of reference, ie Western riding. Western was brought to the Americas by the Spanish and was taken from lower quality schools in Europe those being the Italian and French. If you use the term Classical in this sense it refers to quality, Haute Ecole. The traditional methods of horsemanship taken to America were not classical, and should never be referred to as such. They are tradtional or natural methods or ways of training, nothing else.
When am supposed to start the backflips?
any time you feel froggy