DCS: F-16C Viper - Overhead Break Landing Intro
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- In this DCS: F-16C Viper video, we'll take a look at the basics of landing the Viper in a Visual Flight Rules (VFR) overhead break pattern.
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In the video I had a bit too much separation from the runway, so I had to float the close-in final out a bit for proper lineup.
Great job, Wags. For the kids at home, 11 alpha (top of the staple) is correct for approach with a transition to 12-13 in the roundout. 13 is "on speed" but a much higher risk of scraping the ventral fin or the speed brakes (by going from 13-15 degrees) or sinking in the overrun.
Thanks Mover!
The first thing you notice (even though you're expecting it) is the field of view the pilot has from the F-16 cockpit. Great design. I also like how crisp and clear the HUD symbology is in the F-16. Thanks for the vid Matt.
One of the best canopies of its time, clear view of the stars at night I would imagine :)
There's even a dogfight switch on the HOTAS,, to let you know what this plane was designed for. Every design feature makes it easier for the pilot.
This plane was built around the pilot
One problem with the plane are it's teeny tiny MFDs (and just two of them). You need VR zoom to see anything on them. Might not be much of a problem in the real jet, given the higher resolution of the Mk I eyeball. Also, the DED really likes to pick up glare when the sun is behind/besides you.
It’s so weird seeing that completely unobstructed canopy.
can't wait to jump into VR on this thing.
It's so clean that I didn't even notice it was so clean. lol
I was listening to an F16 pilot on a podcast and he said it feels like you're riding on a magic carpet because the cockpit is so far forward and unobstructed.
chris r which podcast?
@@Pita146 could be the fighter pilot podcast host by Vincent Aiello, callsign “Jell-O”
Been waiting for the f16 since I heard about DCS
Hype is real boyz !!! F-16 finally ... my dream is coming true ... since the first day of Lomac i was waiting for this plane !!!
@@connorhuchteman same here dude! It is nice to see this bird getting love, the ammount of potential behind it is nuts 😍
I'm with you!
Just a full fidelity F15 away and we have the entire teen series!
Yeah!! Then -- only then -- take a step backwards and give us the F-4, A-7 and F-111. And two steps back to the Century Series: F-105 and F-100 first, and maybe F-106, F-104, F-102 and F-101, in that order. Three steps back: F-86D Sabre Dog and F-86H and we're full circle...by 2025? The F-106 carried the nuclear armed AIR-2A Genie. Who doesn't want to launch that at some incoming, hot-shot Mirage 2000's (in DCS)?? LOL "That's a nice tight formation, you four. Fox....wait, what Fox # is an AIR-2A? Oh well, Fox-Boomer."
@@Andrew-13579 "Fox N"
Or maybe foxtrot-alpha. :)
@@metanumia LOL. I thought of that too. Either foxtrot-alpha as in effin-A, or Fox-omega as in it's the end. :)
what about the F117
Great video....can’t wait...
Wags did not mention flaps at all ....He probably felt it was taken for granted.... the crowd involved that we knew
so for somebody who does not know the F-16 here’s an exclamation
To be clear, you don’t manually set the flaps for normal takeoff or landing (unlike other aircraft). Like was mentioned, the gear position will tell the jet if you are in takeoff/landing or cruise FLCS gains, and it will schedule flaps accordingly.
One other wrinkle in the flap logic is the Alternate Flap switch, used to deploy the flaps in case of gear extension failure. The flaps go down to 20 deg, just as in normal gear down deployment. To prevent flap overload and control difficulties the flap will gradually retract automatically at speeds above 300 kt,, which is the normal gear down limit
Correct, I mentioned this a bit in the cockpit orientation video.
awesome work matt. can't wait for this one man.
I can't wait until it's complete in a few years.
ComancheThunder7 So brutally true.
Enjoy it for what it is at the time at least we are getting it, EA is kinda good because it allows you to learn as things are released rather than one bulk of overwhelming nonsense
Krato It's ultra realistic - just like with F22 and F35 entering to air force service time.
i really prefer to have a plane with everything functionnal from the start, right now, we'll get the plane, but won't be able to use it to go on every kind of missions it's been built for. I'll buy it for sure, i bought a lot of the modules that DCS made, but i'm definetly not buying this module on day one launch, i'll wait maybe next year depending on what kind of progresse they make. the only module i bought on day one was the F14 because my squadron bought it and we wanted to fly this beast so bad in multiplayer
spiral83 You should get MLU update, just like Holland.
I appreciate how the AI can land a Viper in the length of a Wal-Mart parking lot, yet a perfect landing I have to use almost half a runway. AI must have carbon ceramic breaks and we get the AutoZone specials.
The Bubble canopy is so nice! Love the reflection too! I’m gonna have to keep reminding myself to close the canopy because it all looks the same! 😂
I think i've forgotten how to flare with all the carrier ops from the last year or so. Thanks for the reminder!
Flare is a way of living! 😂
At close final, the 2.5 lines are placed on the overrun and AoA is flown 11 to 13 degrees. This places the FPM just above the bracket at 11 and even more so at 13. You would fly at 13 if you wanted a bit lower touch down speed. Once over the overrun, the FPM is slightly raised to be 2-3 degrees below the horizon line. It's not a huge flare, but a lot different than putting down the Hornet.
@@MattWagner Let's just say i dont need much training on the viper but i get what u are saying wags 😍👍thanks for the very detailed explanation 😁
Even simulated that little wobble the f16 exhibits during the landing aerobrake roll.
First class stuff Wags.
The next video will be a tutorial on how to land on a carrier 😏
Does the F-16 carry a drop hook for _"unexpectedly short"_ runways....I wonder?
@@czdaniel1 Yes that's right but let's say that the carrier is an unexpected short runway
@@czdaniel1 Yes it does
@@mobius7089 He doesn't want to land on the carrier tho
@@czdaniel1 The hook is for instances when it can't use its wheel brakes for some reason. Either the brake system failed or the engine or hydraulics failed and the wheel brakes won't work. Many bases have a "barrier," basically an arresting cable on the runway to catch aircraft that have to use it. I've seen this happen once or twice.
After living a sheltered life in every aircraft I've flown, it's amazing to finally see that shelter lift and to Not see the shelter from the canopy bow in the way on short base to final! :D
Sooooooo many people (myself included) will crash so many times until we get this right. You make it look easy.
Was not my first attempt...
Coming from the tomcat you should be able to do this with your eyes closed :P
Crash is a really strong word, especially as the maneuver is not really difficult (tactical recoveries feel much more complicated).
If one literally crashes performing this he must seriously get some more hours into basic flying.
@@pjstew. Good luck with that.
@@MattWagner funnily enough I can land in the tomcat with my eyes closed anytime I want :)
Nice tutorial ;) Cheers from the german DCS F-16 Viper Club Squadron!
Matt, I love that you showed a left break then demo'ed a right one. Also, here in the UK we do much shorter upwind & downwind legs starting from a lower altitude and climbing to decelerate into the downwind leg to circuit height.
Superb. Massive grin on my face looking at that HUD. It looks amazing!
Instrument Lighting looks FANTASTIC!
That HUD is incredibly clear and along with that bubble canopy. God it is so clear.
Lovely Tutorial, already can see myself crashing onto the runway with -900fpm and blowing the wheels.
Next a 9 g turn performing notoriously by the fighting falcon at an airshow.
Man this is dream come true for a lot of us this level of detail let’s you get a good look at how it is done. While watching you break right and then perform your landing makes me wonder how the hell were these procedures conceived. Soo cool.
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This is why this was a day 1 preorder for me. You can count on Wags and the crew to deliver the goods.
Tried landing the F-15 after getting used to driving the hornet into the runway. That didn’t exactly go well...I expect the F-16 will be similar 😅
@@TSHKKRipper you use ur throttle to control pitch of the hornet and its fairly easy. Hirnet lands with its throttle for pitch and not elevator. And then see how smoothly it approaches. U will have trouble managing the speed if you use elevator.
Exactly what happened to me after getting used to the f18.
F18 is easy to land an take off
Probably cause its a carrier jet,
I guess when i will land the f16 theres going to to be a broken landing gear multiple time
No different than trying to land the M-2000c Mirage. I always felt the Mirage landing gear was pretty fragile and after the FA-18, It got very expensive to continue repairing landing gear, Lol!
@@Proximax9 that's why they land the at airfields too. So pilots know not only how to perform a hard carrier landing, but a soft landing at any airfield.
@@Eyal-lt3to youll be surprised how well you will land with the viper.
Ohh boy, my childhood dream is materializing soon... superb work ED
Hyped AF. Gonna learn this plane inside out and train to be the best!
You ain't the only one :)
@@saiajin82 Game on! >:D
Don't quit your day job...
Sogen Okami you the best now?
@@higaluto lol no. Life's been butt fucking me so hard that I got sparks flying everywhere.
As someone who is new to DCS, this is not as easy as it looks. I've rapidly disassembled some planes. XD
im in love with that canopy
Can't wait to start ruing landing gear in this bad boy. The wait is killing me, you have my money now let me start crashing my new toy already!
The Viper. Amazing. Great job.
General Dynamics sure made a great bird!
Now next time a left-handed circuit, okay? Right-handed is ONLY done when there is an obstruction. Looks good though.
Great explanation and demonstration, it's a shame that there's people in the community can't understand this. Good video
99% of this community is great, just that 1%...
Ty Wags!
Cant wait to fly her
Thanks for a proper explanation, Wags. As a tip for future training videos, could you show your control inputs? I'm having trouble with the base leg turn: how do I control where my FPM is, is that stick or throttle, or a combination? I usually just end up in the ground before I even finish the turn, or have to reduce bank angle because I soon will be in the ground otherwise, or when doing that I come out way to wide. I must be doing something wrong, but it's hard to tell with no control inputs shown :)
Beautiful break, Wags! Great job.
These videos are making me anxious... can I download my copy already, please?! :)
Such a tight landing. I'm not nearly so precise on my final turn, as of yet, so I give myself plenty more approach distance to get lined up.
Just takes practice and much different than a Navy pattern. Thanks
Are you gonna give us a little pre-release livestream before launch? :)
F16 is sooooo easy to land can't wait to try it in DCS. I have a feeling this will be my jet of choice.
I can tell this will be fun to learn. A bit sad that it feels like I've just started getting the hang of the Hornet, but more toys will always be positive.
Can't wait to get completely destroyed online in this thing.
Thanks for the landing intro.
I preorder the F16 the day this video released :O
Thanks for the support!
Muy bueno! A la espera del lanzamiento!!!
Great work, great vid, all aboard the Hype Train! I'm a bit surprised you didn't have to put the flight marker in the AoA bracket like with the F-18. Man does the Viper ever look great - That HUD -
SmoglessPanic. Nope, quite different than the bug.
@@MattWagner Awesome! Let the learning begin. Thanks to you and the team for the hard work.
This was my thought as well. Reduce the speed a bit to put the AOA in the green.
@@after_midnight9592 I crafted a great reply and clicked on another vid by mistake and it wiped it out....smh. I'm with you in a way, I was practicing the basics because I couldn't wait and noticed it as well. One thing that pops in my mind is Wags and the team had access to the sim so they are making the DCS Viper as close to that as humanly possible, also Wags claimed he isn't as versed in the Viper. What sold me was the landing as well as the 2.5 degree line on the runoff, Wags touched down nice and soft all things considered. Back to what you mean use pitch and throttle to get the flight path marker in the AoA bracket and then use the throttle to control the rest. I cant say if this is right or wrong but I look forward to trying it myself in DCS to see how it goes. These are great times!! The sooner the better!! LOL (Patience young one is what I say to myself)
@@after_midnight9592. That would be assumed procedure, but it would be wrong
Autumn = September, October, November. Early Autumn = September :) I love these speculations. Anyway my harddisk and HOTAS are ready..
Autumn starts on Sep 23rd.... hmmmmmm
Are you going to implement delamination of the horizontal stabilizers like the real Vipers have issues with ;) Just kidding looks like another solid aircraft from ED again you guys are killing it Matt and Team !!!
i was getting worried we werent getting a video today.
Hey Wags, which of these videos do you hope to have published before launch? All the way up to cold start?
Still in flux. Next will probably be taxi and takeoff.
@@MattWagner + with a cold start or without? Btw. shut up and take my money!
@@michawicherski9247, Matt's already said that Cold Start is not ready yet, because of systems still in development
Thanks Matt! Can't wait to try it out.
Cheers
Is the syria map getting released this year?
That will be up to the 3rd party developer.
@@MattWagner
Worst case scenario we will fly those F-16s above their building.
We normally fly the final turn and final in the middle of the AOA bracket, or aka green donut on the AOA indexer. If you have Viper questions I flew it for 6 years. My Twitter handle is @jasonoshima
Hi Jason and thanks. Some of the pilots we are working with tend to fly more around 11-degrees. Our understanding is that anywhere between 11 and 13 is all good.
Yep, 11 to 13 is fine, but we'd try to shack the green donut so as not float down the rwy too far. This jet will do it's best not to touch down and keep flying by adjusting its camber. Flying in the middle of the AOA bracket helps alleviate floating in ground effect. The graphics and symbology are absolutely spot on. Can't wait to get this sim.
@@jasonhrynyk7630. Thanks for the insight Jason!
This voice sounds familiar. Idk if its the contiguous redo's on this tutorial but cannot confirm
Approach speed was quite fast in this video. It's much better to approach with the FPM between the top and middle of the AoA bracket, then flare with the FPM in the middle, then holding that AoA for aerobraking.
Noob question, how does one perform the pattern with crosswind? breaking towards or away from the wind? How to correct for it? Or is it not performed at all?
Were these types of patterns within the scope of the planned ATC improvements for AI aircraft handling?
Beautiful
Looks like a bit of a change from the hornet. This will be fun! I'm hoping for a bit of a more organic feeling rather then flying a computer in the hornet!!! From the looks of this video that'll be the case :)
Well the Viper is fly-by-wire as well so it might not be much different.
...he called DCS a game...he's one of them xD
DCS is a flight simulation game.
SimPilotHR it’s a game...
10 years I waited .. 10 years since k50 .... god I’m pure dopamine
matt, we can expect faster rate of the plane being out of EA, since most of systems are already done for the hornet, right?
Given that the Viper did not start full-development until this past Spring and the Hornet was in development of years, I think that answers your question.
@@MattWagner Well it does partly, from the user perspective, let me be more precise: we were mostly waiting for the development of weapon systems and many of the same ones are already implemented on the Hornet, therefore, I would expect them to be given for the Viper. Is this the case or rather not?
@@tiizy3605 No? The system of 1 aircraft does not equate to being the same in another. Coding is another matter.
@@tiizy3605. Partly, if there is a direct crossover of the implementation of the same system in both aircraft. However, the Viper and Hornet are quite different aircraft and their MCs have different logic of sensor and weapon systems display and usage.
@@MattWagner thank you for this insight, Matt!
OMG that canopy!
Autumn is in 17 days..
Great, thank Matt you are the best 😘
Didn't Thrustmaster have an F-16 HOTAS back in the day?
Yes.
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Also the CH Products stick and throttle is similar.
I'm still pretty new to DCS, but for my next aircraft I was completely torn between the Hornet and the Tomcat. I had finally decided the Tomcat was going to be the one. And then I found out about the Viper and the general plans for it. So I'm right back to square one, though heavily leaning towards the F-16. Grrrrrr.......
Just get all of them :D. Rip wallet
@@saulot9545 Believe me, I would love to, but I'm trying to upgrade my HOTAS too. That's going to give my wallet enough of a butt kicking as it is. lol...
@@gvii get the Hornet now. Multi-Role modern jet, and you can use most of the systems unlike the F16 which might take a year to get to this state. And then get the Viper ;)
Good choice. I bought the Hornet twice and got it refunded, twice. Followed all the correct sequences for start and takeoff and still had pitch issues. Would literally barely climb. Thought the first time was just a glitch and maybe it had been addressed, so I tried again, with the same result. Contacted support both times, received NO responses both times.
Really nice! Still wishing really badly for a drag chute tho, but other than that, love it! As someone who has worked with the Am model it's weird to see the long roll on the landing :P
Hi Stark, US Vipers do not use a drag chute. Thanks
Nice job
Any informations about a good ATC and intrumental procédures ?
Did the plane just fart at 5:03 at touchdown ?
Laughed way harder than I should have at that.
So there will be no canopy? can't wait to check this out in VR!
Latavish Gardner. Not sure what you mean.
Matt Wagner I think he is making a joke about the bubble canopy and the lack of the bow....at least I hope he is joking....
Hey Matt, are you using any stick during this approach or are you throttling and trimming? struggling to align the flight path and glide slope myself as they seem very much detached unless I trim. Very different landing to the f18 I am used to. Thanks.
Just stick and throttle, no trim. Thanks
You're not by yourself mate! Having quite the job to master this as demonstrated by Matt. Forget how many times I watched this now :-) Most often I end up too low or too wide in the final turn.
How do you turn off the altitude warning?
Please see my taxi and takeoff video. Thanks
was the steerpoint set on the runway by doing it in the mission editor?
Yes
We're in Autumn now so it shouldn't be too far if your're still saying "early autumn."
Early autumn is still our timeline for early access release.
autumn, 23rd of September
CheapSkateSimmer on steam it says September 25th
@@mink1097 IIRC they HAVE to give Steam a date, but I could be wrong on that.
@@ilejovcevski79 Maybe I'm wrong...ohh well, no biggie.
@2:55 you say that radar altitude 500 feets is the altitude you're shooting for but I believe it's 1500 feets for an overhead break pattern, moreover your radar alt is showing 1500 feets ;)
Nice vid anyway though !! Just suscribed for your tutorials ;)
Negative, "fifteen hundred feet". Thanks
@@MattWagner oh gosh sorry Matt I guess I need to buy new ears 🙀
Thanks a lot for that tutorial, overhead break pattern is really something I need to learn on F-16 and F-18 I just bought thanks to the super promotion you made, and on the Mirage I have for years now !!
The tilted camera at the start makes me nauseous. But otherwise, great video! Excited for the Viper.
Great work!
So that is why the F16 sits on it's back wheels so long when landing, i thought the pilots were just showing off :o)
It's called aerobraking and it used to slow the aircraft down.
@@MattWagner Yeah, i know, you showed that in the video.
For someone who got used to flying with hornet , riding with f-16 is like you were driving in new York and now you want to start driving in London , breaking right side instead of left , 500 AGL instead of 800 for carrier ...
@@misterpspdude
Thanks for clarification,
Cool video Wags, did you use the fssb r3 for this recording?
WAAAAGSSS!!
Nice vid Wags. But how do you lock the HUD display so it doesn't drift off the screen in a turn? Half the time in the pattern, my HUD display is off to one side, and I'm looking through a blank HUD screen, so my landings stink. Can't find anything about this in the DCS's Early Access manual.
Select the DRIFT C/O on the ICP
Hi, I think the last few patches broke something about aerobraking.
This video recommends 13 degree nose up for aerobraking, correct?
In the current version of open beta, one can only aerobrake 13.5 degrees before tailstriking the viper. 11 degrees if using airbrake override.
Either DCS is currently incorrect, or 13 degrees is a recommendation that is too close to a tailstrike, in my opinion.
I recall reading some documentation claiming that tailstrike happens at about 16 degrees.
WHAT A CANOPY ! :)
Hey somebody can tell where is the wheel braking in the cockpit like the bottom in what side. i would really apreciate.
So you're flying the Viper as 2,5° Glideslope-Marker on touchdown-zone instead of middle of e-bracket like the hornet? Will defenitly need getting used to, it defenitely feels as if you're to fast on final.
It's quite acceptable to to have the FPM between the middle and top of the bracket, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Not too fast. Thanks
What is the type of overhead pattern that Dan Hampton mentions in Viper Pilot where they come over the runway and it is a six G break at ~450kts?
I just finished reading Viper Pilot over the weekend. If I recall correctly, he was talking about training Egyptian Mig-21 pilots on the F-16 and they kept doing 6g 450knot breaks because that's how it was in the Mig. It was incorrect procedure done out of old habit.
Sweet landing review. Something I noticed about the altimeter on the HUD isn't it supposed to only change by tens 10, 20, 30 not 11, 12, 13. Don't hate me I still enjoyed it. :)
it is only radar altimeter and I think it is how it should be
Excellent. I've been carrying loadouts that mimic the F-16 on the Hornet (as best they can), so I'll start doing this as well - as much as the Hornet will let me do it anyway. One thing I did notice...no flaps on landing in the F-16?
Flaps are automatic.
Awesome, one less thing to worry about. 👌
Cockpit Made for VR 👌🏻
Yes, very fun to fly in VR.
Looks like that strip was a little short!
The flightpathmarker should be inside the Angel Brackets when landing, not a accurate Simulation because when you land this way like you do, you have real troubles ;)
No, you are incorrect. While true in the Hornet, not so in the Viper. Please take the time to watch some real world HUD videos of landing the Viper first.
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Can you then explain to me the decision when and why the flightpathmarker must be somewhere (inside or outside the aoa brackets)?
Thanks for proving my point, the FPM is at the very top or above the bracket at landing (11 AoA), not centered. It is also perfecting valid to land at 13 AoA, in which case the FPM is centered in the bracket, but not at all required.
@@MattWagner thank you for rply, i gonna buy this airplane, because you and your team do a fantastic job
Great!
I haven't touched DCS in years -- Is there a TACTS system in place in the game? I notice a TACTS pod on the port side wing tip.
(Former Aircraft Ordnance Tech. USMC.)
Hey Wags!
Just wondering if you have found any good sensitivity setting on your FSSB with the viper, recently got mine with the angled adapter. Thought about asking you who's already flying it, and also spent time in the real simulator, thanks!
Whats behind these weird and complicated landing maneuvers?
Why not do a straight on landing with some of the guidance tools available
So ATC can control landings in an organized manner.