The ultimate mechanical diesel... P Pumped 6.7L Cummins build! Part 1: Introduction and Bottom End

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  • @TAShannon1
    @TAShannon1 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is awesome. I am a Cummins engine builder and I daily a 96 12 valve. Despite all of my mistreatment of the engine, the 450k miles, lack of maintenance, sheer driving abuse (50psi & 600hp) I cant kill her. Its just a studded 12 valve. I really want to kill the motor so that I can justify a new guinea pig engine that I dream to build... A 6.7 block, crank and rods but not a regular 6.7 piston. Many of the early 4.5L industrial motors (basically the 4cyl version of the 6.7) were p-pump engines with modified 4bt heads. I can rob these pistons and Run a true 12 valve head/fuel system with a 6.7 displacement. It will not be as efficient or powerful as the 6.7 24v head. So then why would I do this you ask? Simply one reason. I WANNA HEAR THE SOUND!!!!!

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I haven’t heard of these p pumped 4.5s, only the 3.9L ones, but I also don’t mess with much industrial stuff. I’ll have to look into it but if what you say is true that’s some cool hot rodding potential!
      Wish I knew of this for my 6.7L 12v build. The spray pattern actually wasn’t that bad on the stock 6.7 pistons, it would’ve been a lot better with the wide bowls and the 6.7 head. Another option is DDP can make custom injectors with the holes set to spray on the 6.7 bowls, that was my long term plan for the p pumped 6.7
      You sound like a fellow hot rodding parts Frankensteiner 🤘

  • @richardzargar1269
    @richardzargar1269 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thank's for more cummins content Eric!

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      You're welcome! I have a lot more coming! Thanks for the support :)

  • @edwinj8275
    @edwinj8275 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I swear your channel is gold when it comes to Cummins content. I love learning and seeing the unique stuff you create and how informative it is! With due time this channel will grow quite a bit if you keep the work you put into it! Hopefully it grows faster so you can keep posting this awesome content.

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for the kind words, I’m actively trying to get better at filming and put out better content! I just picked up a new microphone for my camera and I’ve been looking at lighting stuff to up the production quality of things!
      Really happy to hear you love to learn! That was my main goal in getting on TH-cam, just put more info out to help people do things themselves and build more cool stuff!
      Thanks for the great comment, made my day to read it!

  • @dexterousx92
    @dexterousx92 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    *Im super excited for this series. i hope everything goes in your favor. Im ready to learn something!!!*

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Get ready to learn, there’s a lot of stuff to cover! Thanks for the nice comment, gave me a smile today!!

  • @jessebrandt452
    @jessebrandt452 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Awesome, literally what I want to build for my daily! Currently running a 400hp 12 valve in a obs Chevy Also if you're a friend of cutterup thats a automatic sub

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Sounds like a sweet swap! I’ve seen a couple in person and it fits so well you’d wonder why it wasn’t done in the first place in those chevs!
      I’ll be datalogging a bunch to try and show how differently this engine performs vs a mild 12v
      Cutterup is good shit, he did my machine work for this engine and I always send him my stuff. We chat here and there and there’s a good chance I’ll have him in a video or vice versa!

  • @GarageBuiltRoss
    @GarageBuiltRoss 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    A p-pump 6.7 *Tim Allen grunts*

  • @joshuaquilliam2887
    @joshuaquilliam2887 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    How in the F have I missed this channel? Love it!

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Welcome aboard! Frantically working on more videos for ya!

  • @XxOverLoad93xX
    @XxOverLoad93xX 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Hell Yes this is awesome. i will say im going with wagler street fighters for my rods just for cheap insurance so windowing the Block is unlikely. definitely going to follow this series. great video

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wagler Street Fighters are great rods, good for peace of mind. They seem a popular choice for a lot of guys for that very reason, and if you’re in there “may as well”. With the exchange rate in Canada they really hurt the wallet by the time they’re in our hands

    • @XxOverLoad93xX
      @XxOverLoad93xX 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge Very true forgot Canada is like that unfortunatley

  • @mattnoblin6351
    @mattnoblin6351 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I did a p-pump 6.7 and just used a oil pump for a vp44 motor. Same gear set as a 12v but more oil out put.

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I remember reading about the 24V oil pumps putting out more volume, I’m not particularly sure why, the most I can find is they have some holes in the pump assembly. I didn’t think to try and swap over the 24v gears… can’t remember if the 6.7 pump had the same holes

  • @Anthony12valve440RB
    @Anthony12valve440RB 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nice A body Hemi car. Rare to see other mopar people. Good in depth build btw. I love building these cummins , LA and RB engines.

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Good eye! It’s a 69 Barracuda, my dad built it entirely himself. My grandpa had an original 68 Hurst Hemi Dart and the dart in the background is getting built as a spiritual successor to it. The 72 duster has a 440 in it and will be getting sold soon to find the dart. I’d be disowned if I wasn’t into mopars and drag racing 🤣
      Cummins and RB’s go together like mashed potato’s and gravy 🤘

  • @kiln.or.be.kilned
    @kiln.or.be.kilned 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love your editing skills ramping up! He'd me super engaged and laughing.
    Gonna be a great build process to follow!

  • @Moose400ex
    @Moose400ex 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I've had a lot of people tell me to just keep it vp44, the vp44 isn't that BAD of an injection pump. The biggest most important thing is to have a FASS system supplying it to keep it cool, you won't have any issues in the 'reasonable' hp range. And I'm not going for the 1000hp mark or nothing crazy. I want reliability, longevity, efficiency, ease of maintenance, and simplicity. I like the connector mechanical things, they last longer, and are easier to diagnose and repair. No 'spooky action' in the wires to chase. Circuit boards and modules are great and all but fail to often, and they aren't nuke (emp) proof!
    The p7100 pumps have proven themselves and are the most popular, and they flow the most fuel. I've even considered and thrown around the idea of VE rotary pump swapping my vp44 24v HO truck. I don't think it would be going 'backwards' it checks all the boxes I want. Like you mentioned my truck will spend most of its life in the '200-400hp' range. I ain't going for a hp or torque monster that has to have the highest numbers. I just want everything over built and shiny billet. P pumps are getting harder and harder to find these days. For a good 'buildable core'. I have a feeling most of the good 215 p pumps out there are sitting on shops shelves being hoarded. lol the guys at industrial injection said they've had several people try and send in the 'Temu p7100 pumps' that you can get on Temu for cheap cheap.
    I'm familiar with the VE rotary pumps, I've had 5 or so first gen's over the years, all
    Manual 5 speed get-rag, the ve pump is very reliable, and simple, they aren't known for flowing massive amounts and gobs of fuel volume like a p7100 for high hp numbers. I've had a '06 mega cab common rail, so I've been there to, the fad these days is everyone is 'common rail swapping everything', cause it's real easy to run dual cp3's and have all the fuel in the world at your disposal sitting in the fuel rail ready to go as soon as that injectors fires. Common rail tuning is endless possibilities. and now I have my '02 second gen 24v HO vp44 6 speed truck. I actually sold my '06 mega cab 5.9l common rail that I had just put a $9500 billet thru and thru stage 5 trans in, I sold the '06 mega cab and bought the '02 secound gen for half what I sold the '06 mega cab for. The '02 was all stock, never chipped or modified, old man gramps, garage kept, meticulously maintained, never seen salt, Colorado truck all its life with only 79k miles in it. A true one owner mint condition unicorn 🦄. I love the secound gen body style. I miss my first gen trucks, but they road like a covered wagon on the highway. The simplicity, all mechanical functionality of the first gen 12v injection system was great. Gutless in stock form, but a few turns of a couple screws on the side of the ve pump, a watergated hx35 turbo from a second gen, 5" exhaust, and a set of 100 horse injectors and they really come alive and wake up! And still get 25+ mpg all thru the mountains of Colorado, towing even. TH-cam builders and videos have really popularized the 12v Cummins engines, popularizing swapping a 12v into just about anything and everything, even a corvette and a mustang. Which is cool l, but not cool from a used parts stand point, everyone has gobbled up all the good cheap 12v p pump engines! All that's left is the ve rotary 12v's! 12 years ago no 15-16 year old kid knew what a 6bt was! Let alone a 4bt! Trying to find a little 4 cyl 4bt Cummins with a p pump in it is impossible now! People want like $3,000 for a basket of parts. Anything pre emissions has really come at a premium. The next 4 years will really tell what's gunna happen with diesels and emissions. All these new emissions choked fords chevys and dodges on the roads and being sold brand new right now, they aren't going to last. They are junk. In 10-15 years there isn't going to be anyone that knows how or wants to work on them!

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I don’t mind the VP44 pumps at all, they work really well for what they are and at the end of the day $1500 for a new replacement isn’t too bad when it lasts a good 200k miles when taken care of. A lot cheaper than injectors in a common rail.
      VE pumps aren’t bad either, I haven’t had as much experience with them as I mainly focus on 2nd gens, the fact that they about tap out at 450hp leads me to not caring enough to toy with them but I’ll eventually have to try one out for some TH-cam content haha
      I agree that the 12v has definitely become almost a household name for diesels now, everyone knows about them, what they can do, and the power they can make. So many trucks have been taken off the road inorder to use their power trains for something else, I really notice when I look for trucks that there isn’t as many 12v trucks around Vs 24v.
      I’ve been heavily invested in 2nd gens since about 2015 and I’m a firm believer that they’re going to be classic car status in the next 10 years, they’re already pulling crazy money for mint low mileage examples. Prices can only go up as time goes on and they become more popular and rare.
      I was really happy to have found my 02 6 speed sport dually with tan leather, I wouldn’t have ordered one any different from brand new… except maybe in amberfire Pearl.
      On a note on the p pumps, I’ve seen a couple videos of the cheap Chinese pumps and that they’re actually working. Idk if they put out much for fuel… but it’s an option to get a guy going

  • @MTnumber11
    @MTnumber11 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What's better than your favorite channel being friends with other favorite channel?! Nothing. Hhk and cutterup rob for the win

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Argh, I should’ve mentioned in my video that he did my engine machine work! I talked with him lots, sometimes too much if I’m down at his shop 🤣 he’s about 3.5 hours away from me but I send him all my stuff and I’ve never had an issue.
      You’ll probably see him and I more in some videos next year!

  • @dieselfueled_
    @dieselfueled_ วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What happened to the 21:1 6.7?

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  วันที่ผ่านมา

      There’s another comment I replied to that I listed off what happened but the jist is a cataclysmic series of things 😅 I’m working on editing the next video for it

  • @montycrain5783
    @montycrain5783 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You should consider a Eaton 10speed, they have a smaller 400lb version with a 860 ft lb Tourqe rating, probably at 60 or 70,000 GVW. Once you learn to float the gears and rev match it’s a much smoother shifting setup than a synchro trans with MUCH less clutch usage and wear. As for so many gears Think of it as a mountain bike; 5 gears shifted in 1 pattern and 2 chainwheels or ranges, low and high. The top being a .74% overdrive. There’s no requirement to go through every gear in a h pattern. Especially Unloaded. Another advantage, a low of 13 to 1 to literally crawl along in heavy traffic at slower than walking speed.Floating up or down a gear if necessary. Without the clutch. At half the price of a T5600.

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Hmmm, I thiiiiink the local wrecker has one that was in some big ford Frankenstein build, 860ft/lbs isn’t a ton but they’re also probably rating the weakest gear.
      It would be fun to row that many gears though! Maybe in the future I’ll put one in for good content.
      I do have a gearvendors overdrive laying around that I could bolt up behind my G56 to make it a 12 speed

  • @Moose400ex
    @Moose400ex 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dude I love your videos! I've watched your last build series over and over several times where you p pumped your one buddies truck. The Martin pained engine with the green painted charge pipes and compounds. Sick builds! I plan on p pumping my '02 24v HO 6 speed. It's a unicorn truck for sure! I just turned 100k miles on it. It's perfect in every way. I bought it with only 79k miles on it and told myself I wouldn't dig into the internals of the motor until it had at least 100k on it, that took 9 years lol. It don't get driven much here in Colorado or in the winter months at all. And sits in the garage. But I really really have set my sits on p pumping it. I want all the truck billet parts from keating. I know I can do it on a budget using all stock oe parts from a 12v but I only want to have to do things once. I like how in your videos you're very very specific about things and explain things in great detail. I learned the same way. Awesome channel and builds man! I can't wait for other videos!

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Hold onto that rig, they’re only going up in price and 02 6 speed trucks with low miles will pull a premium in the future! Sounds like you’ve got a super nice clean slate to start with, you won’t regret going p pump
      Thanks for the awesome comment, really happy to hear you enjoy the content so much and I only hope to get better and put out even more cool stuff for you!

  • @drnastey
    @drnastey 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can't wait for the next video. I'm currently gathering parts for my own 6.7 24v build but will be running a ve pump because ( i don't really know why, but my truck is a ve and I kind of like them)

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I’m working on it right now, glad to hear you enjoyed it! I’ve got nothing against VE pumps, they’re a great option for guys that don’t need more than 450hp, want something that starts if you breathe on the key, and get wicked fuel mileage. I have a VE gearcase laying around, maybe I’ll have to do one aswell! They’re also a lot cheaper to rebuild than a p pump

  • @darrenbrowell1713
    @darrenbrowell1713 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    what happened to the other engine you built? did it melt the piston or something else.

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It was kind of a cataclysmic series of events that I’ll be talking about in the next video for that engine. I may still build it again, the rest of it is still fine if just needs to be bored over now
      The basic jist is it’s a combo of EGTs, potential piston to valve contact, spray pattern maybe, a bore with rust in it, butting the rings, slipped timing, over heating, and getting mad at it… it’s quite the story 🤣

  • @UnknownProductions0
    @UnknownProductions0 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    cutterup rob has done this, you can do it with factory parts.

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Cutterup did the machine work on this engine for me, I bring all my stuff to him he’s great! He was a big help for my first 6.7L 12v build, I used a lot more factory parts in that engine

    • @UnknownProductions0
      @UnknownProductions0 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @ definitely has inspired me to want to get a second gen to do a 6.7 12v in BADLY!!

  • @makerbit3970
    @makerbit3970 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    With the gears, I think you were changing them all to helical because of the p-pump gear. Is there a way to avoid changing out all the straight cut gears, and just change the gear on the p-pump? Thanks!

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The only way I can think of doing this is if you took a 6.7 cam gear and had it machined out so that it worked with the centre hub from an adjustable p pump gear… but even then i can’t say if the spacing will work to line up with the cam gear so it’s going to be all custom stuff. There was something about power driven diesel having trouble with cam thrust so they made a bearing support on their front cover for the godfather engine, and I heard something about them making straight cut p pump gears.
      The CR cam gear is also half the thickness of a p pump gear so I can’t say if you’ll run into strength issues

  • @zjeepgozweeln
    @zjeepgozweeln วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Have you used total seal gapless rings?

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      My friend David Bosch has in his 1500hp 6.7 drag truck, he says it’s night and day and he’s really impressed with them. I actually forgot about that… damn… wish I went with them after his recommendation but I’m not sure of their longevity as this is more of a towing engine.

  • @Nicksvintageiron
    @Nicksvintageiron 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is awesome. Id love to have this engine in my 83 crewcab dodge. I just have a stock ppump 12 valve and an NV5600 in it now. What editing program do you use?

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Aw man, I’d love a crew cab! I’ve been half looking for one for a while but they’re always totally roached.
      I use DaVinci Resolve, it’s pretty complex and takes a while to learn but I wanted to force myself to learn on a platform I can grow on than hinder myself in the future with an easier one.
      When I started out I was just using iMovie and it got the job done. Are you thinking of putting some videos out?

    • @Nicksvintageiron
      @Nicksvintageiron 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge thanks for the response. I already got some videos out. Currently at about 920 subs. Sadly not a ton of content on my crew cab yet but a couple videos on my FM3 pink duster, 73 340 charger and many many International pickups. I Currently use Imovie as well but would also like to grow and take editing to the next level. I've heard good things about apples more advanced software as well.

  • @elroyelblander6277
    @elroyelblander6277 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    👍👍👍👍👍👊🍻

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What did you think of this one? Always happy to see your comments!

    • @elroyelblander6277
      @elroyelblander6277 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge always enjoy your video's... you're always willing to share knowledge and share how you tackle obstacles with dodges,B series,and the various transmissions... it's intriguing how you go about it... thank you for sharing feller 👍👍👊

    • @elroyelblander6277
      @elroyelblander6277 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledgedoes Keating or anyone else still make a bolt on gear case?.. ive searched in the past but they all seemed to be discontinued...I'll have to look again,at some point, I'd like to use a 6.7 block.or might just have to make the old 6BT one work..but anyway 👍👍👊

  • @leonardbixler102
    @leonardbixler102 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Take it to a machine shop have a dowel installed is the fix especially for a high hp engine. Duramax are the same way.

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah it would be nice to have a proper 1/4” keyway than this junk little dowel
      I have an L5P I’m building for my 69 Dart and I’ll be getting it keyed

  • @hankclingingsmith8707
    @hankclingingsmith8707 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those really cheap pistons are not cummins oem. If you did not pay close to 600 they are a fake.look further into it you will see

    • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
      @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I have a separate video I released where I compare the pistons with an oem cummins one, check it out! I’m fairly confident it’s OEM Cummins, the only thing I wish I did was weigh both pistons but just holding them I couldn’t tell a difference