Cheap vs Expensive Phones - How close ARE they!?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2024
- After watching the video, what do you think - does anyone need a flagship anymore?
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It's basically what mkbhd said : "Good phones aren't getting cheap, it is cheap phones that are getting good"
Because expensive phones are getting costlier so even mid range phones are looking cheap
It's just a mind game
@@kingnobie not exactly, it is also because techs that flagships introduced are now cheaper so that's why mid range phones are more and more close to flagships when it comes to specs.
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Facts
Cheap phones are getting worse in the last 2 years 😂
This is a good example of the 80-20 rule in action. You can get 80% of the phone for like 20% of the cost, but if you want the extra 20% of features, you're gonna have to be prepared to pay a lot more for them.
Iirc the rule is "Pareto's Principle", and true, that indeed seems to be the case for smartphones these days
This only applies to android, iphone upgrade only noticable if you change your phone every 5 years.
@HelpAnimalsPleaseE no some animals gotta go
Spot on!
@@HelpAnimalsPleaseE nobody cares
The insane thing is they have got people to belive $349 is cheap for a phone.
Mid-range would be a more correct word.
@@insertname6more than mid range, it's something in between mid and high range, Xiaomi itself sells good phones for only 170 to 200 dollars
it's midrange @@MohamedForGames1
budget: 0-300
midrange: 0-700
high-end:700-
you're not gonna find a good or lasting phone under $200, even if it's made by xiaomi
Same here
Thanks Guy,i always enjoy ur analytic skills whenever i come across ur videos on phone comparison.
I think a more interesting comparison would be to compare how these two age.
How are the $300-$400 phones from 2021 holding up against the 2021 flagship in 2023 or even the ones from 2019.
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It depends by the model and low budget phones are slowly catching up. So 3 years old budget phone might be a lot slower from the factory than the top of the line..
yea he's done that before hopefully he does that again
Budget phones can last upto 3-4 years if you are a general user and not gaming or editing on phones. Camera is still the weakest link of these phones. But spending 300£ for 3 years is not a bad deal. My redme note 9 still runs and has android 13. All though it is buggy as hell but I think that's Xiaomi's fault and not the phone. These phones are great for students I think. You start your university life with one of these and after 4 years you get a job and treat yourself with a flagship
Investing in a flagship makes a lot of sense if you need the camera(all of us do but money is a problem) and also keeping that phone for longer. These phones can last upto 5-7 years like iPhone x is still running. But I really doubt beyond 3 years 90% of people will want to use the same phone. Or else phone sells would just tank.
I actually bought a Redmi Note 10 Pro based on the video this channel posted back when that phone was new. It's actually wild how Xiaomi manages to keep up with the competition at literally the same price year after year, specifically with the Redmi Note lineup
same here, i too got the RN10Pro, but the note line up after the 10 series were not upto the level of "features" which should have been "upgraded" with the next series from 10, ie the 11, 12 etc. they've just dropped every sense of features from the 10. The SD chip was changed, the camera which had a 5MP tele macro was dropped & many other..
And so, i've not upgraded from the RN10ProMax since..
@@amllemansI see. To be honest, I think the performance of SD cards really can't keep up with the needs of modern apps, which may explain why it's on the way out. The redmi note 10 pro also doesn't have 5G which I feel is quite important
@@Fals3Agent if you haven't read it a new SD standard, the 9.1 Express, which apparently doubles r/w speeds. I hope this means that we'll get SD card slots back on phones soon.
@@amllemans Having the Note 10 pro for 2 years now, and I'm satisfied. Looked for possible upgrade, and I feel they don't offer so much more that I could justify spending money on them. It seems my Note 10 pro will have to endure one more year with me... or maybe even 2. The battery seems stable, so I don't think it will be much of a problem.
@@damyrSame for me, I'm still rocking the RN9pro and the 13 pro is the first I think is a real upgrade.
One of the most simple, honest and yet professional reviews i ever seen. U win a like and a subscriber.
Great review with succinct and enjoyable comparison of the two devices. 👍🏾👍🏾
I've had a Redmi K20 Pro for 4 years and just recently switched to a S23 Ultra. I love the Ultra but honestly the Redmi still actually performs really well and that's a 4 year old phone. Battery and Camera are the areas I noticed the biggest differences, but considering the price it's frankly not enough difference. Redmi just makes really amazing phones for the price. Typing this from my Redmi while watching a movie on a Monitor with Samsung Dex on my S23 Ultra😂
I shifted from k20 pro to xiaomi 13 pro and i can say its better than 23 ultra in every aspect except the software stability
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Watching this on my 4 yr old k20 pro. It is still working as smooth as new.
After trying Dex on my mates phone once. Thats one feature I was craving. Especially if you somehow own Samsung TV or Monitor. You genuinely can operate those phone as PC. Office PC at least.
The first time I tried it I was so mind blown. My friend come to my house specifically to try dex because I happen to own a Samsung TV. And we ended up exploring the whole Dex and Samsung ecosystem
@rockzs74r I agree. Dex is one of my favorite things about Samsung. I have a monitor that also charges the phone when using Dex. Non stop Dex 😅
Tbh I feel we're already at a point where if we're to justify spending more than 1000$ on a phone they should be a groundbreaking feature or at least some sort of longevity that allows us to justify the price point as in any consumers point of view spending more just to have a bit more power or just a bit better of camera quality doesn't seem irrelevant especially when cheap phones now days are getting closer and closer in terms of performance and longevity
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Yeah phones like the Oppo Find X6 Pro/Vivo X90 Pro+/Xiaomi 13 Ultra/Nubia Z50 Ultra really raised the bar with what you can get for $1000 in a phone. I have zero issues with Apple phones at all but would never NEVER pay the kind of money they ask for their shit when there is much better options for just as much or cheaper.
My 3 year old iphone going strong while the new zfold 5 i got last week .. the battery is meh on the samsung. It loses more battery while not being used than my THREE YEAR OLD IPHONE.
fr like I can build a decent pc with that money or I can buy a phone to scroll reels and watch youtube while eating lol
@@iAmNothingnessThen you have a defective phone and you need to return it. My Fold 5 lasts all day long on a single charge.
honestly that's been my take away as well. I'd love to get a phone that costs a fraction of the price as a flagship but I need the processing power that the flagships offer.
And here I am with the Galaxy A7 2017 getting through life just fine awesome video. This was very educational for me. I am in the market for a new phone and seriously considering a budget friendly option.
This is a really good comparison! A lot of us are hooked into the culture of the iPhone and Samsung, but this really lets us know that there are other options that are still as capable!
Redmi isn't even the flagship line for Xiaomi, the Mi 14 Pro is already out and it's still about half the price of the S23 Ultra. Still wouldn't pay more than 250$ for just a phone.
lol a "smart" phone is NOT just a phone. It is a mini computer.@@rep-vile
@@Joachim.Jacobs Yeah this isn't the stone-age, I thought, but ok
Does carrier work with $300 foreign phone in usa
true but some people need to do a lot on a phone but i think many only uses for text/phone calls. They should stay budget. People like you should definitely spend over 250.@@rep-vile
I purchased the Poco X3 Pro 2 years ago (Controversial Device of 22-23), and gota say, I loved the experience. Especially the developer support it got is amazing. I can customise phone, install custom ROMs, and do crazy things. This device taught me how a mobile and computer works.
But got the device dead twice 😅
ah yeah mine too. but we indonesian got a good technician who can repair poco x3 pro, thank god it just cost us $30. n never since was best phone performance
Faulty chip soldering in that model. Gaming beast of a device for it's time. That is why I avoid Xiaomi devices in general - bad build quality and internal designs.
that phone is heavy as shit
I'm contemplating 2nd hand Poco x3 pro as well given that it only cost me like $75 for 8gb ram and 256gb rom in pristine condition but after further reading in gsmarena with lot of mobo and soldering issues, it feels quite like a gamble unless there's surefire way to tackle those issues in the first place
Hey! Killing your phone tinkering with it is part of the experience! Glad you got it working again.
Always a fan of honest reviews. Also thank you for giving us a chance to see beyond the big phone brands. There are also other phones worth our money!
If I remember it right, li-ion degrades faster due to the memory effect as it takes harder to charge the more cycles it went through. Li-po has no memory effect but with a lesser charge density. In terms of safety, li-ion bursts flames compared to li-poly when punctured or overheated that's maybe why they won't gamble too much on high powered charging. The only "safe" battery are those lifepo batteries but i don't know if it's available already on phones
Yeah. Li poly is better😂
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As a former mid tier phone user I recently splurged on an S23 Ultra. Reason? Long term use. Something that is often overlooked and I noticed just by seeing friends who did this investment in the past is that, even beyond update support, mid tier phones start to show their age by the second year of use. They become slugish because of the new android version raising the requirements, apps use more battery and this affects every aspect (sometimes even the dialer as I dealt with a Moto G Stylus a few years back). While top tier phones with sometimes ludicrous specs for the type of device will weather just fine for years. I had to use for a day a friend's Galaxy S7 and I didn't feel the age of it like I already noticed in my A52 which already started overheating easily compared to when I bought it and kind of realized why he still daily drives that instead of buying a new one. I might have a better opinion down the line since the S23 Ultra is quite recent, but I believe this is often boiled down to "update support" and doesn't quite paint a clear picture of the actual device longevity. That of course goes out the window if you enjoy changing devices, but for me is a nightmare everytime and I hope this will stick around for some time
Still rocking my note 8 since launch, and this thing is glued to my hand. I've put a custom rom which is a lightly debloated oneui port from the note 9 and ot is even faster then before. Before i needed always the latest and greatest, but this phone is a keeper
I feel the slugish part with my moto g7+ rn. though I yet to see battery and heating issues. I think the slugish issue might be more due to filled up storage? I have 64gb internal + 32gb micro sd, both are 80% full.
I had an opposite experience. I'm very happy with my 3.2 year old Xiaomi and I don't notice much difference in the longevity. And after 4ish+ years most cellphones become outdated imo, independent of the price range. I prefer to spend the extra money on things like desktop PCs and laptops
A52S still doing very well here
This is why I want a phone with a Snapdragon chip (I'll probably get the Note 13 Pro), because when the official ROM gets sluggish, I can simply switch to a custom ROM and keep using your phone for longer. For example, my current Redmi Note 8T would be a nightmare to use with the official MIUI 12.5 EE. However, I've installed ArrowOS 13.1 and I can safely say that it will last a couple more years. It's much faster compared to MIUI. The only bummer is video quality which is horrifingly bad on custom ROMs for some reason, even with MIUI camera.
I have been using my xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro since early 2020 (Right when the pandemic started). I've never cracked a screen or anything on a phone so longevity is always top notch due to how I take care of my stuff.
Battery is slightly weaker, it can still run COD mobile really well, charge speed is still the same, it does get hotter than when it was new, but being almost at year 4 it's insane and I only payed 300USD for it.
The other thing is I have used it for gaming almost every day since I bought it (Summoners War, COD, Idle Angels and other random titles), I have been using a Ringke case from Amazon and it's falling apart too haha
Will try upgrading to this Note 13 Pro+ later this year
I've had iphones, switched to samsung, and 3-4years went on my first xiaomi redmi note pro 9, still going smooth till this day, feels like a steal tbh , never had a problem with software, quality, responsiveness etc. This year decided to upgrade to pro 14 (even though I don't really need to) just more of a gesture to the xiaomi company as a thank you, I remember after using apple or Samsung phones for so long either software, phone itself, battery, just something went so outdated, stuttery, drained quickly etc, just some problems overall, xiaomi as a budged phone way to good, and especially if you use your phone often that 20minutes full charge function by far tops all the flag phones. I'll rather have that then slightly more functional camera which at times feels like actually taking lesser shots.
I am still using my Mi8 because it's a great phone, my family say I take the best photos and they use flagship phones. I use it to pay for everything, don't carry cash anymore. The Xiaomi Mi series are excellent phones.
I relate to this a lot, i personally switched from redmi note 9 pro because of a battery issue that i suddenly started to have, probably because of excessive use and charging it under pillows/at work it hot places lol. Till this day that phone is as smooth as i remember getting it, i haven't had any software issues at all and overall it is a really reliable phone. I recently switched to Redmi Note 13 pro 5g because i didn't want to spend a lot of money on a new phone that will probably get destroyed in the same time margin as the last one. And honestly apart from the sharp display, pretty cool refresh rate and fast system, the camera thats installed is really really good. I remember my note 9 pro having a lot of issues in the dark, taking some photos was also challenging, a lot of blurriness and loss of quality in some spots. But this phone does really well, sharp, sick stabilisation although it can get a little bit focus-losing if you are walking down the stairs. It really does feel like handling a camera just a very small and cut down version of it, and I'm absolutely in love with more funcionality added to the "pro" section in the camera app, changing iso and zoom while recording feels smooth and almost instant
I'm currently using redmi note 11 rn and my only issue is the signal in some areas. But it's all good, since it does well on other areas or features of the phone considering for its price. I compared it to samsung counterpart that are at the same price range and it performs better.
using a redmi 9s here, still good for having dual apps with spotify in the background or playing a game while having youtube open. The age is just now starting to show.
@@thefirehawk1495 that's a coincidence because my better half is still using her Redmi note 9s today, I tell her it's well past time she upgrades but she still likes her 9s. It has been the best value phone I know of.
A huge impact in my opinion is also the quality of memory chips in a phone. My motorola Rayzr HD was totaly fine after years and the budget moto g of my mum and girlfriend wasn't nearly as long lasting as it should
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The Li-Po battery on my huawei mate20 performs nearly the same after 5 years (of everyday charging), meaning after about 1600 charging cycles.
I didnt used geekbench for a long time. I had to check that my 4+ years old Galaxy S10 still can hold up. I love it, I never felt the need to buy a new phone, especially as the newer models have become very expensive. So the test results were my old S10 still outperforms the RedMi :D
I had an S10. It's junk compared to my 2 year old, £259 HONOR 50.
Entry-level and Midrange phones are what excites me everytime a company introduces them. It's just insane how they put all of those features with such a low price!
But they degrade faster compared to flagship units
@@abd12459 honestly depends, i know a friend with a poco f1 who's still holding strong to this day
@@SWY1356honestly the Poco F1 was a more a flagship killer than a entry level phone...
That's not true, stop spreading misinformation. This is not 2010 anymore @@abd12459
I haven't been able to justify the price of a high end flagship for several years now. For me a midrange or midrange flagship is more than enough. If I were due an upgrade now I would probably go for a Pixel 7a.
This video was a real joy to watch 😀. And I most likely found my next phone in Redmi Note 13 Pro+. It really has all I need and a luxury finish with a vegan leather back. I also found out that Android 14 will come with the new Hyper OS with amazing new features to lift the software to a completely new level. Xiaomi is back at the top after about 2 very disappointing years in budget/midrange phones🏅🥳
Do it iv bought a 12 pro + , for the money its so damn good
I'm pretty happy with my note 11 pro, don't really think it's disappointing.
The only thing thats kinda disappointing is the price hike but I understand why, as the phones improved a lot in build quality
When comparing cameras. Focus on a close up image and pinch zoom all the way to see how much detail can be seen. Nobody does this test including yourself when testing but is a very important aspect to people who repair or work in small details such as micro electronics repair.
Nobody does this cause it doesn't matter. People just don't pinch zoom your photos on social media. What matters is the overall quality. If you pinch zoom then all phones with less mega pixels will break in pixels (iphones and Google pixel)😊
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... I dig these comparison videos. I enjoy the spotlight being put on more affordable phones.
The mere fact that we're actually questioning spending the extra cash is already a huge win for the affordable phone....fact!
For me personally, I have always questioned spending the extra cash. My last 2 phones have been pre-owned phones bought at a much cheaper price than if I purchased them new, no regrets. I have found that it's better to buy a 1 or 2 year old premium phone than buy the newest flagship.
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Agree, makes no sense to buy the S23 and S23+ now that Samsung has downgraded their displays to 1080p. Even this budget phone has a higher screen resolution at 1/3 the price.
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I got both a note 20 ultra and an s20 ultra to use as my daily drivers for 200-250 each. So far they have been really good, but because samsung no longer supports SD on the flagships. Xiaomi and Poco have been on my radar to be the next devices i use. Any recommendations?
7:12 my p30 had a li po battery and still to this day it has very very good battery but i only use quick charge rather than super charge. It really just depends on the phone itself
We live in the Philippines where vlogging is BIG. I just got my wife an Infinix Zero 30 5G for Christmas. She is becoming a more serious vlogger and really loves the front camera with 48Mpixel and up to 4k@60fps with a front facing flood/flash. Nothing in its price range even comes close, plus there are many other features about that phone, such as 144Hz refresh rate, 68W charger included, etc., that will shock you for the price ($250USD).
The pixelcount doesnt tell much the color quality is still probably is going to be worse than a iphone 15 eventho they have same camera
maybe you've never used a highend Smartphone.. Try it and see.. of course you won't look and use a midrange and lowerend Smartphone after this
@@NoMercy076 except for the prices
@@NoMercy076 It's great for the price, some people can't afford the newest phones even if the colors are better
Appreciate this kind of comparison! Most of the time people tend to overlook how much entry-level phones have advanced with the technology that allows them to. So price-wise, I can still see the Xiaomi as a huge win for what it does for you as a daily device. The S23 Ultra, same as iPhone 15 (Pro), is no doubt one of the best phones out there, but the price we pay for the "premium" far outweighs the actual functionalities it offers. One thing I have noticed is that these cheaper phones are so well-made these days. They don't feel as cheap as they did in the past.
I agree and am wondering if its possible for Xiaomi to upgrade their battery to that of the Samsung S23 Ultra as Arun says its an old type. I'm quite happy with Xiaomi mostly cos they integrated all the features i had seen in a small white Vivo phone years ago. And when it finally landed here in Swaziland i purchased the Redmi Note 4 probably in 2016 as i was using a Sony xPeria. I was intrigued by this small brand that does more than anticipated, IR Blaster actually and standard photos. The ability to control all electrical gadgets in the house with a phone in 2016 was big in 2016 and i was a pioneer. I still help people setup their Redmi phones to control their decoders, TV's and home theatre system with their phones and that makes Xiaomi big and reputable here in Swaziland where he economy is very low. I wouldn't be surprised to learn its he highest selling phone in Swaziland and 3rd Best Selling in South Africa after Samsung and iPhone.
Cheap and mid-range Chinese phones are designed to last 2 years. Xiaomi has even said so. The phone that you take out of the package will be as it is for exactly 2 years, then the software updates will disappear. The phone becomes slower and the camera even worse for some reason. I will never buy a Chinese phone again. There are so many small compromises that don't stand out at first glance.
Besides, nobody wants to buy a used Chinese phone. After 6 months of use, I was able to sell it for 1/3 of the price. Aftermarket prices prove my point.
When I buy Samsung's top models, I'm practically sure that this phone will serve me well for 5 years.
@@rapator9270i agree having used xiaomi for more than 6 years and owning 3 mid range xiaomi phones.They come with compromises which is noticeable when you use it like the software sucks battery is also bad and after sale value is much worse than any flagship phones which makes sense.which is why i will always recommend to buy flagship if you can afford it.its well over worth it!
I actually thought that the sensor in the Redmi is an older iteration of the one in the Galaxy, but the S23 Ultra uses the IsoCell HP2, while the Note 13 Pro+ has the IsoCell HP3.
This actually shows the post processing differences in those two phones even better, because I doubt that Samsung would make newer sensor worse than the previous.
I think gcam is best for xioami phones because it has hardware but lack in processing thats where gcam comes
Samsung is very greedy and ev1L they want us to get blind they use 240 Hz PWM even on the ultra S23 and S24 , while Honor have 3840 Hz PWM screen !! not only on this they are so cheap but EVERY transistor is the cheapest possible in their devices not only phones, they buy it for less than 1 cent while the smaller companies like oppo , etc, they buy better quality so your device don't broke right after the warranty
S24 ultra enters the chat with worse sensor at 10x
@@soumyadityaagarwalla1517 actually samsung s23 ultra has telephoto lens at 10 while Samsung 24 ultra has only 5x
@@HSK_EDITS thats why i said worse at 10x shots than before
Thanks for an excellent and informative review. Very helpful.
I switched to the 'last gen' flagship samsung phones a few years ago, after trying several different brands for years. I just really like that fast software response and zero lag in daily use. I like the software too. The one thing i don't like, is the lack of microSD option on recent models. I've had an s20FE for 2 years now, and it's still going strong, battery wise. We'll see in the future.
As someone who's used flagships and "flagship killers" through the years, that's always been what I've seen, even on other areas in tech, the more expensive the items are the better they are, but usually the items at 25-75% (depending on features wanted) of the "flagship" price are the best price/quality, and the items at both under 25% and over 75% price of a flagship you're usually within diminishing quality/price ratio.
PS I consider flagship as 1000, not 1400 as they started being released now
I still have a Xiaomi M9T Pro from 2018 which has a full uninterrupted OLED panel that runs at 90hz, snapdragon 855 and 6GB of RAM. Also has fast charge and a beefy battery. I paid 279$ back then. Samsung and Apple are overpriced just because there is very little competition.
Yup.. Oneplus taught me this!
Agreed... for example the s23+ is a great example of this. So close to the ultra in price but so far away in terms of specs
@MaikyMoto mi 9t pro? that was released on 2019 and its only 60hz
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Just an absolutely fabulous review. It's these type of videos that keep me coming back to this channel.
Well researched
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And absolutely gives the viewer great knowledge and entertainment every single time.
Can't wait for some of the ideas that you bring back from your trip to Japan.
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Check the blunder he said about Li ion vs Li polymer battery
Disable animations in developers menu and xiaomi matches the speed. Also you can extend ram to 18gb from the menu.
exteding RAM should only be done on phones with 2-4GB RAM
I got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 11T Pro in China last year and currently use it on T. Mobile. I doubt the average person would notice any difference in performance from a similar competitor phone costing 3X more. It charges nearly full in 20 minutes with a 5080MaH battery. I had a Xiaomi Mi Max 3 previously and it still works but is a tad underpowered being 6 years old.
Your editing skills have come so far, well done Arun and your team!
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I think the sweetest spot currently is buying a previous year flagship. I recently got a OnePlus 10T for $300 with SnapDragon 8Gen1 and top of the line specs and it is cheaper than the Redmi and much closer to Samsung in performance.
Have the xmi 13 pro, Huawei nova 11 pro and just now bought this rmi 13 pro+. Yep it almost feels like my 13 pro
i'm getting the redmi 13 next month and this video made me so much more excited
I have the Xiaomi 12T, which has a slightly better processor. Games play just fine at 60FPS and often at high settings, which, for mobile gaming, just doesn't make that much of a difference to me.
I think the biggest difference really is camera quality and functionality, as the other stuff is something that's impossible to notice unless you're really used to it.
Agreed I've also got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro and it still serves me well for my everyday use case. I'll keep on supporting Xiaomi because their phones are affordable and deliver good performance as well.
I regret sellimg my redmi note 10 pro. Currently using 12t. Both phones are amazing but it is tempting to try on flagship phones as i have never had one before 😢
I also used 12t and my fav was 120 Watt fast charging. Xiaomi Nailed it
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You forgot the best Xiaomi feature. The IR remote.
I've used that feature of my Redmi Note 10 to control a number of devices, especially my Pentax DSLR!
Can i just say that this guy's video quality has improved in a very major way in the past few months,keep the good work up,amazing video😊.
Samsational Video once again. Super interesting to see how these phones compare considering the huge gap in price.
Id also argue software should be considered more with xiaomi, as they just relesed hyperos which is way smoother and gives old devices about 15- 20% mire speed and battery lasts longer, aswell as beeing more connected with other xiaomi smart devices
5,5 years on my huawei mate 20 pro and its still a great phone. Its too hard for me to choose a new phone atm cause all the budget phones are too close to those premium ones
Budget phones have come a long way, you get a lot of bang for your buck now. It's also down to the flagships having a bit of stagnation, design stays the same and you get a bit more processing power and a slight improvement on cameras each year. It would be interesting to compare a flagship from today to one from 1-3 years ago to see if that's better than a budget phone. Also I think the Google Pixel 7a is the best budget phone with the fewest compromises on processor, camera and software.
There are a videos about this from Arun on this channel (2 or 3) and budget phones are good but 3 year old premiums are still there still outperforming the newcomer midrangers or just keeping up perfectly.
A bit more procesing power - thats about 3-4 times.
I still use a 2020 flagship that you can get for 1/5 or even 1/6 the price of a new one.
The only things I'd really want is the better camera sensors and improved battery life. Not that I usually drain the battery.
Nah, pixel 7a not better than IPHONE xr*, Camervise
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Love these videos, Mr whosetheboss always manages to fit in the information and still make it entertaining.
Love the vids, keep it up man
1:34 Check for antenna lines. If there are none, it could be plastic, since aluminium blocks signal.
10:24 OnePlus offers 3 years of OS updates, and Samsung - 4 years, and the midrange phones only get the update 1-2 months after the flagships, and considering how early they get the updates is quite the feat. You don't get the beta program on the midrange phones though.
The Note 13 Pro+ will get updates to Android 16.
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Finally , Arun's take of Cheap vs Expensive. You are the champ for us who can't buy expensive phones.
If this is a cheap phone, idk what you guys are doing
@@again-again-againthe redmi or the galaxy
@@vionamic both of them
@@again-again-againin todays standards spending 300-350 is cheap considering its about 25% of the high end devices cost and can give you 75%-80% of the stuff the high end phones have. And although yes, you can spend 100-150 for a phone these phones are absolute garbage. You can't really expect to do much with them unless you use them for basic needs like calling or texting (so they are good phones for older people that sheldom use them for anything else).
@@chrispdo ouch, I'm using a $40 phone
Those photos really looked good on the Redmi as compared to the Samsung!! It's amazing seeing budget phones providing flagship level experience!!
I like this comparison, because it is based on how someone uses their phone. For me, camera isn't important, most photos are of where I parked my car and the like. Audio and microphone is much more important, because I make a lot of calls and hearing one another is key.
One thing about software updates on Redmi Note phones. They actually get 1 extra year of updates compared to ultra budget versions. For example my redmi note 9 pro (plus) got 3 1/2 years of uodates. Originally with MIUI 11 Android 10, got 2 Android updates, up to Android 12, plus an extra update cycle to a MIUI 14 based on Android 12 (granting all the features that this Redmi Note 13 has that do not depend on hardware or Android 13 itself)
Thank God this is probably the most honest review I have watched thanks
I upgraded to the Ultra 23 this summer from a Note 8 that I was still happy with. Only reason I went with the Samsung over a budget phone is I was upgrading for hearing aid capabilities. Only I phone and top tier Androids had the software/hardware I needed to operate the hearing aids. If it weren’t for that I would still have the 8 or a budget phone.
Any android phone running 14 or higher is capable of using tf software's
From note8 to s23, wow! Exactly the point of this video, high end phones can last way longer than these cheap phones so in the long run you save a lot instead of buying new phones every year.
@@heyamax Most of Samsung and Iphone users still buy newest phone every year anyway. Pure brainwashing. They market 7 years of support like there will be much people keeping kne phone more than 2-3 years max.
@@heyamaxRedmi 13 series gets 3 years of OS updates and one additional year of security updates. Not all budget brands are bad with updates like he claims, especially ones from a larger company.
@@heyamax i would say it depends...
i just run dead my old phone of around 4,8 years. a phone that i paid 142$ for.
yes it did die suddenly on me... after 4 years and 9 months though.
Hey, I really love your videos I've been a fan for years 😊. But I'm wondering if something went wrong but the video is about the Redmi Note 11 pro+ but in the video we see the box for a note 13??
i would love for ltpo to become the baseline, adaptive refresh is crazy useful
Well-said, Arun. To think that midrange phones have come to this level, even as close to as "rivaling" flagships goes to show how magnificent our world's tech have come. That being said, I'm really excited to see you review the S24 Ultra. Bet you're just as excited. 😆
Mid rang aren't mid range like they use to be mid range was 250 to 400 now mid range is 400 euros to 900 euros . It's all nip picking Xiaomi is really a great phone so is Samsung if one is going to play games get an Xbox or pc for the job if one wants top photos buy a dlsr camera . Both people's that buy either phone will use it more or less the same way photos to social media there not going to control the space station with there phones are they lol
id say its more a case of the tech guys have run out of new things that are really new not tweaks which means the lower tier phones are catching up on flagships.
@@ColtSievers1000well it all depends. Xbox is a gaming console. You really can't take it anywhere or use it for anything else. Dslr aren't cheap either. Different lenses cost a lot. And they aren't water resistant. + You have to carry it around all the time. Mobile phones are durable and samsung can be used as a desktop w dex. The only game I play is genshin as of now so a phone is great for me as I can travel with it everywhere.
LoL hell nah.. pocoF1 & note 9 were like almost the same phones if you do use gcam... (Basically same battery life, charging, support, performance, cameras,signal, face id, fingerprint , speakers, 4k60, 960fps slowmo etc
. except display ¯\_(ツ)_/¯).That was the last time when it happened and by now budget phones are just straying behind cz of growing prices of chipset mainly
@@ColtSievers1000 Best camera is the one that's with you...
(I haven't missed my DSLR...and actually enjoy the creative challenge of working with a smartphone)
I think getting midrange/budget phones is the way to go.
I have a Samsung galaxy a71 that was on sale and I've had it for almost 3 years and it was a year old when I got it.
Also the problem with expensive phones is that if you keep buying them they keep raising the price year after year because they think you want more expensive phones.
I think it's also about the brand. You bought a cheaper Samsung which is much more reliable than a cheaper Xiaomi.
@@trippinhard250 Unfortunately Samsung intentionally Nerfs their own budget and mid range devices to push you higher and higher until you just give up and buy a flagship. MKBHD made a video about how they push you to buy the flagship.
@@bespokepenguin103 It's still the better choice because a Xiaomi phone degrades within a year
Sadly Samsung decided to kill the A7* series so we're left with the A5* as midrange
@@trippinhard250no way. Xiaomi phones last long. It's totally based on the SoC in it. If you bought a ultra cheap Xiaomi phone definitely it will degrade within year.
Camera is passable for the price, but you are getting so much better photos with the higher priced options. Pixel a series is the way to go, with the Galaxy A series following closely behind.
Great. Thanks and greetings from Panamá. I have the Note 13 pro plus 5G. I'm really happy with this phone. ❤
It would also be interesting to see a new comparison of the latest flagship versus 2 or 3 years old flagship where it's already heavily discounted. I know these comparisons have been done in the past, but given the advancements that these flagships had in the past 3-5 years have either been minor or just an added feature. Especially how the diminishing return was mentioned as you go higher.
I second this. I'm sure it'd be a lot closer.
Newest budget phone versus old flagship seem interesting too.
I've been that kind of user and I can give you my thoughts. I bought a 2 and half years old Samsung S20+ last year and have been using it for an entire year until I broke it by tripping on the road and smashing it to the asphalt = =
Now I switched to s23 ultra and have been using for over 3 months now.
I would say the 2 to 3 years old flagship generally has almost similar on paper spec with top mid ranger of today. But the details you're getting would be the selling point for older flagship. For example, s20+ has 65M main cam that matches the most mid-range nowadays, but the night picture is still way ahead. And the OIS you can get from old flagship is just better, despite the midrange now also claimed to have ois.
Older flagship also has this advantage of better soc compared to midrange now. They're cooler, not so power hungry, yet their performance are still edging out the midrange of this year.
However, one noticeable down side are screen degradation.
The s20+ I bought were the leftovers on stock, so it should be one of the best conditioned old phones. Still, I found out that I couldn't reach the peak brightness they claim on the spec sheet anymore. The claimed peak was 900 nits, but mine can't reach past 750nits.
The battery is also crucial. I got mine with 80% health because it has just been stored on the shelf for too long.
That s20+ cost me about 340 US, so it's cheaper than this Xiaomi phone.
@@F1ve-seveN thank you for sharing. It means it would still be cost effective to just buy a 2 or 3 yr old flagship brand new, than top mid range phone. This is probably why they(manufacturers) try to top the spec of mid range phones nowadays. I would even argue that as a power user, there would still be a difference between an old flagship vs the new top mid range.
Now they are changing the gear. Intially they upgraded their chips a lot every year but we are near the moore's law so they focused a lot more on cameras and as the difference between cameras have diminished a lot they brought up the next big thing A.I. Google has already done that, Samsung is focusing on that too as their main feature to steer people away from their mediocre performance upgrades.
I'm wondering if the signal test would be different with the international version of the Redmi. Also I'm worried that it's gonna cost a lot more outside of China, like 500 or something.
Maybe during the first few days because of the hype but this phone is more or less the same as the Poco F5, a few improvements on main camera and battery but way less powerful. This should come out costing around the same... But then again the previous version is costing around the same as the Poco right now so you're probably right lol
4:18, my respect dude, you installed gcam on xiaomi, it makes a huge difference on budged phones, image quality with a good config file is incredible
Another plus for the samsung is samsung dex and also better sensors for gps/bluetooth, etc.
What is gcam
Which world are you living at?@@eeshakhan308
@@eeshakhan308gcam is google’s camera app that you can install on any android phone. It basically does the same thing as your stock camera app, gcam just tweaks a photo a little bit so it comes out better
Great review! A few more things to consider though: 1. On Chinese phones, over time they tend to have signal\connectivity\GPS issues which result in having to restart the phone frequently or they develop other OS issues that harm the general using experience. 2. The general OS\GUI experience is less convenient and intuitive than of that of the Samsung's phones (not just the flagships). 3. Some people tend to trust Chinese phones less than other manufacturers in terms of privacy and data security. 4. If you upgrade from a Chinese phone to a Samsung, expect that the entire data migration might not be as straight, fluid and "issue free" even if using the Smart Switch app. The main question is subjective as to what's more important, cost effective and general light use (in that case you mostly wouldn't feel the performance difference in most situations) or performance, ease of use and overall reliability.
Bought the Poco X3 nfc 3 years ago and it's absolutely rock solid till this day and the camera is ridiculously good even when put against previous flagships💪
I have a Poco F1. Got it early 2019. Almost 5 years later it's still solid for all my tasks. Just look at this use:
- several email accounts synced, constant daily notifications
- around 100 apps installed, many of them syncing and sending notifications
- I take fotos several times per week, no trouble there, I mostly use the native camera app, but also have Gcam sideloaded for great pictures in the dark/complete darkness, which was a criticism of the Poco F1 from the start, trouble taking pics in the dark, nope, never experienced that
- several music apps installed (Spotify, Tidal), I listen to music several times per week at the gym, music streaming through phone
- banking apps a couple times per week
- browsing web almost daily, looking something up
- calendar apps synced
- note taking apps, all synced
- shopping apps, used a couple times per week
- use Google Maps several times per week
- messaging apps daily use
- graphic intensive games installed (Summoners War Sky Arena, Ragnarok M, etc.) which I run "occasionally" to securely in-app purchase stuff, otherwise I run the same games on PC, but in terms of functionality, those games run on the Poco F1 super smooth too, it just naturally eats battery quicker
I'll just end my rant here. My point is; There is no battery degradation to my knowledge, not that I notice, and I do pay attention, after almost 5 years, and I use my phone heavily as you can see. Most of the time I charge it once in 2 or 3 days. Sometimes I'm just paranoid and want to have it topped up just in case, and I'll plug it in at at 40%-50% daily. You know what I mean. It's silly though. Most of the time those 40-50% are enough for another day, which is why I'm saying 2-3 days usually on one charge. And keep in mind, the phone is constantly doing something (syncing, connecting, loading), or I'm doing something actively. That's good battery life. So honestly, it's all a marketing ploy by different manufacturers to make people buy their phones and not buy the competitors phones. The marketing is all bs. "oh, the battery degrades. this phone only lasts you 2 years. wow" Nonsense. Most mid-range phones are fantastic.
Here's a real statement. Almost all smartphones nowadays are extremely overpriced, especially the "flagship" ones, and NO, they do not offer significantly better functions at all. If you're smart, look at the hardware and the features you get for a specific price, and if the balance is good, get that phone. Usually, those phones are between 300 and 500 at most. Anything more expensive than that is just a scam.
Commenting with poco X3 nfc 3 Years Old
Is poco x3 better than redmi note 13 pro ? (i am going to buy I a new phone so suggest me a good one )
@umairmohamed2809 poco always better than redmi lineups. Same specs but more affordable
@@umairmohamed2809get poco f5. It's bang for buck.
One thing I like about xiaomi is how you can port gcam into it and play around with the settings. Once you hit the sweet spot, it almost can topped the S23 ultra photo quality.
i was thinking the same things
Would the mediatek chip support the mod?
@sgky2k yes, i did it.
Xiaomi phones are great for Gcams, I have taken many photos that left people asking about my flagship phone lol.
I used a Redmi Note 8 bdw.
What is gcam and how, what, where? 🙂
i mean if you want speed, you go for poco which atm is poco x6 pro... and if thats the case you can even go for f6 pro over x6 which most likely be same speed as samsung with still much lower price...
The last flagship phone i bought was the Galaxy S8. Since then i've been buying mid tier phone because they are more than enough for my needs. I don't take 140 selfies per day and i am also not addicted to social media so that helps a lot.
good mentality
Then I guess you got a good life
This! This is the content I was missing. Tech that actually we could imagine buying. Thank you Arun!
I have experience with Redmi note 9S. And Huawei phones. The buttons on them break after 3-4 years. Like the volume increase and decrease button. Screen issues, meaning opening apps, sending msgs without touching.
I use slow-chargers at 5W (5V 1A) when leaving it charging overnight;
but there are times we only want to have much juice in a limited time,
so a charger that can give 25-50% battlife in 15min is good already.
Great video, the results actually surprised me. It's awesome that people on small budgets can have access to tech that closely matches higher end phones.
Yeah, it's good not just for broke people but also if you want to save money.
1 little thing as a Xiaomi user myself about the software ads, if you go into any of the applications that have ads and go into their settings there is actually a setting to just disable ads
Just few settings you will never have to single ad on mi phones you can totally uninstall all bloatwares
Fr? I couldn't find it in the settings. Could you tell me where that is?
@@Man-DD it's not in the phone settings itself, its per app so you have to go to the app settings and disable it from there
@@Man-DDsettings passoword and security>privacy, scroll down to ad services and turn it off. While u are at it, turn off "enroll user experience program" too.
@@Man-DD some stock apps have it, but they still will give u pop ups from time to time when u use them, just open the app & then into settings to disable them, tho i dont use any mi app & blocked all the notifications for them since they are mostly useless anyway
Brilliant topic. My love for xiaomi is growing everyday 🎉 amazing quality on budget 😊
I had a Redmi note pro last year. Bought second hand from a store, for a very reasonable price actually. I have to say the phone was excellent! Display was great, software was really good, surprisingly so actually. Highly recommend 👍
Had, was.... ? :D
On my Redmi note 10 pro I got them today)
i was just waiting for someone to compare this large gap of price to performance ratio, I have been using Xiaomi products for 8 years and never get disappointed in any aspects, its best for average to high spec users, great video btw
Well I like the affordable phone market a lot more as it gives me all I need for less money. The problem is my current device has been put in a bootloop by miu‘s latest update which made it inaccessible and they’re not addressing it eventhough it affected quite a lot of ppl.
As always great and just review. Thanks sir
9:42 in my experience xiaomi has a good track record when it comes to software support. You reviewed the poco x4 pro 5g and said it's not gonna get any major android updates, but I bought it and a few months later got an update to android 13. It was running android 11 in your video.
I completely disagree, I have the Mi 11 Ultra. Updates always came very late, the next MIUI/HyperOS version is going to be the last major update.
For a 1400 phone this is a complete joke. Two years of delayed software support is a complete rip off
Definitely the last Xiaomi flagship for me.
@@Johnny-yf3vc why did you buy a xiaomi if you're expecting fast long term software support? only samsung, apple and google do that (when they keep their promises).
Nowadays new android features don't have all that exciting new features anyways.
@@YeetDaBabies Did is the right word. I thought getting the flagship model would give priority treatment like every other phone company. That's what you expect for that price. Instead I got shit.
That's why I'm never going to get another Xiaomi phone.
@@Johnny-yf3vc oh no you get another feature noone uses a few months later than everyone else
@@YeetDaBabies That's not the point. It's about getting premium treatment if you pay premium prices. Even the security updates are delayed. If it was about the updates, I‘d just install the china weekly.
But that's not what you should have to do if you pay that price. Because of this, Samsung/Apple flagships are better. end of discussion.
Great comparison. The Redmi looks like a great phone with a reasonable price. I remember when the flagships cost that.
Plus, you can turn many of the redmi & Poco phones into a superior version of the Google pixel with a custom ROM like evolutionX or RisingOS.
@@idruvak if u can live without banking apps sure
@@user-uu9up5fe5t but there are spoofing apps\magisk modules to hide root too.
As a note 10 plus user. Iam gonna argue with what you said in the display comparison. You basically used the usual day use or the low battery consumption mode to compare it with the redmi which literally destroyed the comparison. But I have to say I was quite shocked for the redmi experience.
This video convinced me to buy the Redmi Note 13 Pro+, I was able to buy the 16GB Ram and 512Gb ROM China Version for US$300 (Lazada Ph) which is not available locally. The widgets are in chinese but I just installed what I think is necessary from other apps. But the seller already set the language to English so I had no problem. I chose this because I didn't have a budget for flagships anymore and now consider them as status symbol for others. When you start to not care about what other people think, it really puts your values into perspective. (Genshin feels like I'm playing with a console) 😊
This is why I typically buy flagship phones from a gen or two ago, secondhand. They sell for next to nothing even when in pristine condition, and often come with case, charger, and perhaps even a fresh screen protector.
But if you buy a two year old phone aren't you already lossing most of the advantages ?
And I wouldn't say they sell for next to nothing. An S21 Ultra can easily cost more than the 350$.....
@@blablup1214 longer software support and refinement is what you are basically getting if you buy an old flagship
@@freezingicy9457 The video said, flagships have about 4-5 years support.
And this cheap flagship onnly 2 years.
If I buy and already 2 year old flagship. I shouls also have arround 2 years support left.
So why should they have longer software support ?
It's the degraded battery that keeps me from doing this.
it's easy to replace @@StuartQuinn
I still have my OnePlus 6, still working great after nearly 5 years. But since it has reached the end of its support updates, its only a matter of time until it becomes obsolete. It's been the best phone i've had so far, looks like this Redmi is a worthy successor, very impressive
cant agree more, been using it since launch and it's still lightning fast. My only concern is battery life and camera
I was still using my OnePlus 6 until last week, moved on by now to another company, because OP are getting to expensive for my taste. With that being said my OP6 worked great, until last year, then the fast charge stoped working among other things, the phone at this point feels slow and at the end of his life. Still it lasted more than i was hoping now.
I still using mine, as phone and preffered media player, with LDAC Bluetooth connection.
I changed the battery last year and it is going strong...
Interesting. I have the 6T and I feel like the phone got very sluggish. The camera was never that good to begin with. Maybe it also has to do with usage and acceptance by the user, but I definitely feel like an update is overdue for me.
Bsht, I am using many years old android without issue, so if your 1+ just reached eol, you can still use it for many years
Super fast charging shud only be used occasionally or under special circumstances.
Like somebody else has said, how the phones perform over time is important (assuming you're not someone who wants to change phones regularly). I've had a Redmi Note 10 Pro for 2 years, just recently the back cover has started to separate at the sides. I'm probably gonna have to replace it because it's not really worth repairing. I suspect the damage is due to the phone overheating during outdoor use in high temperatures, meaning the glue has melted etc.
Exactly the same challenge here. Mine is getting to three years. What are you looking to upgrade with?
mine's (RN10Pro) going 3 yrs already and still loving it with 120hz enabled, 80-85% screen brightness, and high-max settings in games. And since the RN13Pro+(5G) has been reviewed a lot, I'm torn into buying one or to wait for the RN14/15 :D
@@engr_ry I'm having same thoughts too. Although, I'm looking at S22U
That's what I hate about android users , it's LINUX so you need to take care of it , Not just physicallly but software wise too .
I have been running RN4 from 2016 , 2.8 GHz , SD625 , and gave it to my friend because his Samsung M broke , (he didn't had any ) and it is so much popular that it still , receive android 14 update from it's community from Custom os , iPhone is like windows which would take care of itself and so simple yet highly bounded that you can't do anything on it , while on Android you can run another OS , dual boot , modify partition whatever you want , root it , overclock it , + use coller (to make performance high) underclock (to improve battery life ) it (can use as hacking device ETC.....
Real android enthusias will Sh*t pants out of any other OS phone doesn't matter if it's IOS or windows , in terms of almost everything..
What did you finally replace it with?
I honestly think there will always be a down side to going cheap when it comes to tech, especially when it comes to smartphones, Great vid
They're not night-and-day differences. I'll still buy flags but only under discounts.
Yes but unless you are a power user, the benefits of having a flagship compared to a good mid range is not worth the price increase.
In some categories only tho
sure there are some advantages to flagships (there has to be some way to justify the price) but for most normal people a more budget option is more than sufficient and a majority of people wont even make use of or notice all of the features even on the budget phone.
It's so obvious this video is sponsored by Xiaomi, even if he makes it feel like it isn't..
4:10 the note 13 pro+ can actually go down to 30Hz.
Well this makes a clarity that buying a budget phone and changing after 2years is not a bad deal.. atleast you won't regret to compete the depreciating values
Would love to see this renew with the new Realme Neo 6 SE, which has a super bright screen with LTPO
I am rocking both an s23 as my primary phone and a Redmi 11t as my secondary phone. Honestly I am so happy with both my phones as it evens out what I need from day to day. The battery on my Redmi is remarkable going to 3 to 4 days with a mix of onscreen and standby. but the samsung provides the ultimate experience in terms of mobile photography on par to current iphones. ultimately if you have to choose a phone, it relies on basically what sort of experience you are looking to have for the next 2 to 4 years.
Are you a drug dealer?
@@shsd4130 hahaha, not only drug dealers use two phones, but many people need one phone for work and another for personal use. Of course, you could just use two SIM cards, but either the work phone is provided by the employer, or you simply want to completely separate the two worlds.
@@shsd4130 lmao no. I mean it's pretty normal to keep your old phone active even after getting a new phone right 😂. Besides, it helps to have a backup phone incase something happens to my main phone, helps me track my main phone, have messaging apps in both phones, and maintain more sim card slots when I travel abroad.
Another alternative would be to go for prior generation flagship. None of the new phones this past couple of year were exciting to me, no new innovation so I bought a S20 Ultra for 150$ last year and it's still doing all that I throw at it.