Correction - you CAN gain speed in the air with classic sonic games, but the effectiveness of the acceleration is still heavily dictated by the speed you leave the ground with and that’s what impacts the jump trajectory more than anything. Under almost no circumstances could you attain max speed from a standstill using only air acceleration in those games. That can happen easily in SRB2. SRB2’s air acceleration is not only obvious, it’s intrusive. My point stands.
Playing SRB2 on the default Simple controls (Automatic camera, no autobrake etc.) is not a good experience. I'd recommend putting the camera on Manual mode, putting autobreak, selecting Orbital Looking and even messing around with the controls if you play on controller. I personally use a twin stick control method, left stick for movement, right stick for camera (with Orbital looking enabled - you'll need OpenGL mode for this), RB - jump, LB - spin. I also use Steam controller configurator to fine tune stick deadzone and sensitivity beyond what SRB2 offers me ingame. After making these tweaks I honestly think, without exaggeration, that SRB2 Sonic is the best controlling Sonic out of any Sonic game and I have a good portion of my channel dedicated to SRB2 prove that. I also recommend TheJackalMan's SRB2 controller layout video for guidance (I had an SRB2 controller tutorial video but it's outdated because future updates reassigned certain buttons and might confuse you)
@@MariusUrucu appreciate the advice, I’ll give it a shot! I will say tho, it’s taking a lot of work to make this game feel better 😭 thank god for the community helping me out with it so I didn’t have to figure this out with trial and error on my own
The way Sonic controls can be decent once you get the hang of it, but my problem with the game it's not the only the controls, but how the level design acommodates for Sonic's controls, specially on later levels. Platforming sections in the later levels get a little too unforgiving considering Sonic doesn't have any vertical movement like Tails and Knuckles do.
@@SendoDX Yeah, for as much as I enjoy SRB2, the controls menu can be really obtuse, especially in regards to mapping Vertical looking and triggers (seriously, how tf am I supposed to know what buttons are X-Rudder, Y-Rudder and Z-Rudder). Then again, those confusing controls stem from being based off of a Doom sourceport, because it sure as hell is user unfriendly.
been sayin this i said robo blast 2 controls like ass and so many ppl were like "WELL YOU GOTTA USE XYZ MOD" and its like bruh i shouldn't have to do that
I don't get why people have issues with controls, you can stop on a dime so platforming ain't really that hard. All my problems are just the rock-bottom speed cap and the underpowered spin dash.
unironically most physics mods straight up make the physics worse and also make the game worse because it's not designed around them. but, Adventure Sonic has pretty good physics actually. also S3 Sonic, too.
Both you and the people are right. Default Sonic characters ARE ass but the game changes entirely once you install Adventure sonic or X Sonic. In fact these two mods made me actually like the game where before i wouldn't touch it at all. The only redeeming base character is Tails because of his flight which makes robo blast awful platforming and physics more bearable but playing as any other default character an experience i wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy.
@@peckneck2439 Unironically, I'd rather play Sonic or Metal Sonic instead those two characters. Adventure Sonic is too slow (with the base moveset) to be enjoyable imo. And X Sonic is just Super Mystic Sonic with less abilities. I don't know why X Sonic went so popular because that mod way designed as a speedrunning character. Also, there are WAY better character mods out there to me. Like all Chaotix characters, Silverhorn, Willo and such that I continously can play without getting bored.
@@SendoDX It is honestly pretty baffling that the developers made the camera Automatic by default. I can only imagine it was a misguided attempt to lure in fans of the adventure style. But SRB2 is not an adventure style Sonic game. Its a DOOM game. Sonic's physics are built around the fact that you aim him like a gun and hold forward, only using left and right movement while going slow or to make very small corrections. Like any shooter, it works better with kb/m, but you can still improve the controller experience by binding thok/jump to the shoulder buttons and movement to the d-pad for constant camera control.
@@Doxthefox I would love for you to show me where you listed this exact set of options and plainly said they would provide a better experience than the basic control style
@SendoDX all i did was look up srb2 control setup (it is a bit outdated for the fps part which you can now have basically as much fps you want, i put it at unlimited) th-cam.com/video/Vs77LPlfsZ4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qNaq-ce2P8o8N6Rp another thing, the best way to practice is by playing on time attack which you can race against ghost of your previous self, and if you really need help with stuff like level design there's so many videos that showcase it, and i literally made two videos lately that I think make the game better (tho those are modifications to the game itself, but they're very minor i would say especially for the first video, and in the second video it just make the levels way bigger which i think could be a good way to practice the actual stages)
Dude this game has an INSANE modding scene and I love the fact that people can have so much fun with it. I do want to try out some mods and see how that impacts the experience
@SendoDX Get Neo Sonic. He has a homing attack to make the levels easier and a higher top speed. Just uh, you might want to use a controller with a Claw grip to control said speed
@@SendoDXBeen playing this game for a year now. My suggestions: CHARACTER MODS Adventure Sonic i guess it's really just a baby mode Chaotix Gemma (not Gamma, this is an OC mod) Shadow RushChars STAGE MODS Emerald Quest (must-play) Cyberdime Realm that's all for beginner-friendly ones OTHER MODS X-Momentum (not my ideal but i see a lot of people preferring it) WHAT YOU SHOULDN'T TRY Super Mystic Sonic (high skill speedrunning character) X Sonic (Super Mystic Sonic but broke) Mystic Realm: Community Edition (it just sucks after the first level) OLDCs (It's a gamble to see a good stage)
Guess it's not a game for me then. :/ 'cuz I usually play a game once and never again, and even then I usually take long breaks between sessions (seriously I still haven't completed Sonic 2 out of sheer laziness).
I don’t like the skill issue argument, it all comes down to personal opinion whether a game is enjoyed or not. I unironically really like Sonic 06 for example.
DUDE NO WAY, sorry you had to go through the community drama. Turns out a game about a blue hedgehog is worth sending death threats to others and such, Sonic really is more important than I thought huh. XD
As someone who has played the hell out of this game I will say that I'm so glad someone decided to talk about this. When I was a little younger I didn't care as much cause everything is fun when your oblivious to bugs and issues, but as I kept playing I started to feel how awful the movement is. Sonic has the gravity as a feather and yet also has the air control of a rock and it's just like wow, I mean you know it's sad when I open the game to instantly load a air control/momentum mod. And that's just the game!! what's even worse is if you are like me and still HAD hope for this game you might as well give up because the team doesn't share ANYTHING with it's community! I'm in their discord and it's considered generous to get bread crumbs for news. And if you dare to talk about issues of the game 9 times out of 10 you get into an argument. I can confidently say that the ONLY reason why this game is still being playing is cause of the mods. I really like this game for what it is, a classic sonic game in 3d and the levels are pretty fun to learn even if it takes time but inside the game the control REALLY needs attention and outside the game we NEED to have more news along with less putting people down for speaking up. If they really want a small update all they need to do is fix gravity and jump height and air control also MAYYYYYBE smoother acceleration for both air and ground movement but knowing this game that's going to take till 2040 for it to happen. I just wanna have fun again...
I've heard some... less than savory things about the current dev team and the way that they handle community interaction/drama. That, mixed with the way that peeps overall treat this game and protect it like their own child... idk, it's just a weird scene man
@@SendoDX Yeah It's strange to say the least, but I swear It's great! Even if it might take more time to get used to than I'd like to admit. They will try to change the control and physics in the future but as you can tell it'll take "some" time before that happens, Therefore don't hold your breath. XD
@@SendoDX I like that you just say stuff with like no evidence and nothing to back it up in an attempt to spread drama and discourse instead of acting like an adult. and yet the ones that "glaze' this game are the immature ones? what strawman are you building to attack rn? why cant you just make normal arguments? are you addicted to drama?
@@sants4560 I’ve watched SRB2 community videos where I’ve heard “less than savory things about the dev team” in some contexts. Not calling them terrible people, I’ve just heard that they’re bad at dealing with community drama or can be stubborn... that’s literally it, and that’s what I expressed in my original comment. Not only was I not talking as an authority figure, I just said “yeah I’ve heard” in response to a small part of the original post to validate that I’d seen similar things. Unsure how this random aside that isn’t impacting the content of my video or the way I view this game in any meaningful way is remotely relevant, or how it even pushes more drama. If you’re not happy with my video just say that and point to what you disagree with. This random ass personal attack out of nowhere because I said something to the effect of “yeah I’ve heard something similar” isn’t doing your image any favors. TL;DR - I’m not the one coming out of this interaction looking bad or breeding more drama...
As someone who enjoys SRB2 currently, i CAN say it got frustrating & not fun to play for the first time (sonic being slippery & too fast) The thing is, you need to get used to the controls. Give it some time and practice, configure the game to your likings (there's multiple configs), and once you get the hang of it, it's actually pretty fun Once i got used to the speed, levels, and started using mods/add-ons, i actually started to think the vanilla characters are pretty slow or balanced! You could say it's an acquired taste. But hey, if you still don't like it after spending a lot of time practicing & getting used to it, it's fine! Music's pretty rad, ngl Edit: TL;DR it's harsh for newbies to learn, but it's pretty good once you've dominated it.
The appeal to SRB2 is the modding scene, the base game is essentially just a high-effort sample project. Save yourself the stress of playing the vanilla game and download something like the Adventure Sonic mod and the game becomes ten times better.
@@CrystalClear51 Adventure Sonic is a go to for new players but after you've experienced more than 80 mods, he just becomes boring to play. I can recommend some (but trust me, you'll NOT revisit them after mastering the game): Adventure Sonic Neo Sonic Charmy (from Chaotix mod) Skip (from StephChars mod) Shadow
I haven't played SRB2, but honestly I might just to see if it's really "terrible to control" or just. Y'know. A different style of game that prioritises getting good at the controls and level design in order to maximise speed. The Sonic fandom is pretty well known to hate something that's different unless it's really flashy.
The voice of reason. I have the exact same complaints on the game. Sonic felt weird at first but grows on you... But the spike in level design... or decline in it... when its literally the second zone of the game I'm already lost and confuzzled, its a problem and i already know now what im going to be subjected to in the future now. I've only gotten past zone 2 so maybe I shouldn't talk Edit: Should add. The game is fun but the learning is not
I think the main problem is how momentum works in this game. This game’s acceleration curve is much steeper than most games than and it shows especially. The acceleration in srb2 is almost entirely exponential, If you jump forward from a stand still you’ll go nowhere and if you’re already moving at a decent speed you hit max airspeed in under half a second. Also because Fang and Amy’s jump height is slightly higher than the rest of the cast, they’re the only ones who jump onto the block at 0:27 without using abilities. Having the minimum jump height be moved up to theirs could help improve platforming. P.S. Play Metal Sonic, he literally fixes half this game’s problems. Game too slow because there’s no grounded momentum? Accelerate to double the max run speed. Jump height too low? Gain increased jump height during boost mode. Struggling to adjust in the air? Use float to air stall and ignore the rolling jump penalty. Annoying platforming section? Get on the highest platform and LITERALLY SKIP ALL OF IT.
it sucks because you're using automatic camera mode (which is set by default by the devs), change it to manual/strafe and turn off autobrake and your experience on MnK should be way less cancerous, you might even enjoy the game.
Dude I'm sorry to hear that. Could be the extreme jerkiness of the camera that's somewhat required during gameplay... idk, either way sorry to hear that
@@SendoDX I tried messing with the camera settings: changing it's offset, moving it further back, even tried searching some mods, but oh well. Great channel btw keep it up!
@@michailstarolatko6529 I've heard other people having motion sickness too with this game. like this sonic tuber I forgot the name of Also does. it's crazy
as someone who loves this fangame I understand your complaints I do think sonic should have some sort of recovery move but overall I still love this game for what it is considering this fangame was made originally in like 1992 or smth from what I remember in the end I think what makes a lot of sonic fans enjoy this is how fresh it all feels the amount of new enviornments, attention to detail, and multiple characters the gameplay may have its flaws but overall it aint that bad to me
The controls are so weird because it's built off DOOM. Imagine Sonic is your gun and just strafe left and right and things start to become easier to stomach
you should try out tails before playing with just sonic, sonic just so happens to be the hardest character in srb2, there used to be a warning in his character description that said he wasnt meant for beginners, ive got no idea why new sonic team jr thought it was a good idea to remove it, tails gives you wiggle room for missed jumps while still teaching you how the controls work, i think hes got better traction too, srb2 is like the genesis sonic games where your not meant to get it on your first try, but to keep trying and improving, thats where the fun comes from in my opinion, mastering the controls and learning each characters quirks and playing around them so you can zoom through stages with ease
@@windowpersonSRB2 I'm pretty sure knuckles is the hardest in the classic games. his routes, lower jump, and his endlag in his glide and climb make him the hard mode
It’s blasting time 😈 LET IT BE KNOWN IM THE REASON HES PLAYING IT! 😈😤 1:07 fair, I think it’s great I can see why people think it’s “the best” but there’s other fan games I enjoy far more than this one. 2:12 that and even though it’s VERY impressive that they made it in the DOOM engine, it doesn’t help 2:59 he’s supposed to be “hard mode” which I don’t really get why they did that, Knuckles jumps higher than him, apparently 2.3 is gonna completely revamp the game like new levels and actual momentum stuff. 5:06 idea is COOL, but I hate the Thok simply because of the reasons your explaining and cause it’s actually screwed me so hard so many times. 8:13 it is very frustrating, I love and hate this game all in one. 8:58 fair??? I think the stages are INCREDIBLY linear when you get used to it. Not as much room for exploration as I thought except for “high and low” exploration.
I commend Sendo for fighting with people defending a game that came out before they were born. As someone who likes the game, yeah I agree with everything you've said, I don't know how people consider this the best.
2:07 I think this is because Sonic’s base jump height is so short and he has such slow acceleration, while at the same time, flying around like a plane whenever he’s launched into the air by a spring.
definitely a controls issue, you are right though characters do feel heavy which has been a thing for a long time. Srb2 is one of those games you can't just jump into to enjoy, but in your control settings you can enable auto breaking, and switch control mode to automatic, i have my jump and spin binded to the triggers, that way in manual mode i have better camera control
There's a reason I exclusively play as Kris Deltarune lol. Sonic definitely needs a re-work, and the physics do make the game play more like a traditional plaformer than a sonic game. The game is also in dire need of a revision in level design and visuals, especially Egg Rock Zone. I do hope the game is able to improve on that the most. Keep in mind that this game is a technical marvel, being made from the legacy doom source port. It is not the best sonic game but it's probably the best modding sandbox the sonic community has atm. I recommend checking out Ring Racers if you like technical kart racers (like Crash team racing), it was derived from SRB2's codebase and is currently my favorite kart racer!
The base games is very lackluster the spindash is only good for spindash jumping you cant uncurl from a roll, the rolling itself controls very bad, the base controller scheme sucks because how the games is designed and yet I still really like this game because you can load three-trillion mods and fix whatever problems you have with it. There are many multiple physics change mods that make the game play more like the adventure games with momentum (even though the levels aren’t really designed for it) there’s loads of characters that also change the gameplay like modern sonic or blaze and community is really active so there’s always more to play
I understand where you're coming from with this, I've been playing Srb2 since I was 6-7 years old and I'm close to being 21 now. Honestly playing on anything but strafe mode is the worst experience at least in my opinion but I do say Srb2 was at it's peak during the 2010's with how little people played it yet there were a ton of mods to keep it fresh and entertaining especially compared to where it's at today in 2.2. Personally I just think everyone now says Srb2 is the best sonic fan game due to how easy it is just to mod the game and it's one of if not one of the only sonic fan games that frequently gets updates time to time, somewhat easy to make mods for and being able to play with friends very easily. Nobody really talked about it back then either I remember finding it on a random website that has sonic fan games for download and Srb2 was one of them.
As a longtime SRB2 modder/player, the main issue with the controls is that if you don't have a lot of momentum, you acceleration is super low, whilst the moment you pick up some speed the acceleration goes up. So if you had some speed when initiating a jump, pressing W will make you accelerate forward a lot, but if you didn't, then you'll basically have no air control. Techically, your acceleration is divided by half when midair, but because of this peculiarity it only makes the problem worse. Like, if you want to make a corrective jump because you overshot a platform, you can't, because changing direction mid-jump is impossible. This is also why the ground controls feel so slippery and bad, despite them adding an autobreak option in 2.2 to address it. Also, the jump being low, the gravity being low and the camera following you up as you jump, makes the jump arc very bad yeah. It all stems from the controls being a tweaked version of the Doom controls lol
I get you, i kinda hated the game first time i played, the player physics can feel kind of weird first time around. But once they click, it is absolutely amazing, and later levels get so good too aesthetic wise, you should try to finish it at least once! Try to play with tails if you're having a bad time with sonic!
I've finished it a few times before, so a lot of this is based on many hours of play. But yeah the levels are pretty dope and the visuals are even more dope!! Lots to love with this game if you can get beyond the controls, I just can't personally haha Modding for this game is INSANE all around tho, we love to see it. More Sonic content is never a bad thing
The reason Sonic isn't jumping very high is because you are supposed to HOLD the spacebar to jump higher, and tap it for little hops, this has been present in the classic games for the longest time, and this game was made around the time where the most notable Sonic games were the Adventure and classic series, both of which had this jumping mechanic. The reason the movement is a bit slippery is because the game is (currently) based off the code of a Doom source port (it was originally based off the Hexen engine, but I won't get into that lest we stay here talking for 5 more minutes - but yes, it did move engines), specifically Doom Legacy. I play alot more classic Doom than I do Sonic games nowadays, so playing games whose movement feels more like Doom feels more natural to me. Also, spindashing requires more than a single button press to be effective- mashing the spin button in SRB2, like holding down and pressing jump alot in the classic games, makes the spindash more powerful. I just saw a weak spindash or two and thought you might need to know this, too.
I uh... I know that and it doesn't impact the way that I view the game. His jump height is still VERY low even when holding the space bar down. That's valid, still ends up feeling weird for people coming from other platformers so I think it's valid to dislike but if you don't mind it that's totally valid. Wait so do I need to spam the space bar while holding shift or just hold shift down? Holding shift down seemed to work so if there's also a spacebar element that I didn't know about, I'll use that more
I love SRB2 and i've always agreed about the default character jump height just seeming too low for a Sonic game. You feel more like a jumping car with a zero turning radius than anything. But then I remembered: "Oh yeah, that's right, Mystic used to be a lead game designer and community manager." And when I tell you that *that* guy was likely to blame for 80% of SRB2's game-feel problems, I mean it. Nobody liked that guy lol. His hierarchical seniority combined with his anal-rententive autism was a major reason why the devs could barely iterate on SRB2's game design at all over the project's 20 year history. (he's been chased out of the community for other reasons since after v2.2 came out, though)
Really don't like the fact that they made sonic the "hard mode" of this game, it's usually knuckles who's supposed to be the hardest. And the fact that players are most likely to pick sonic without looking at the text on the side of the select screen (which doesn't really specify that he's the hardest character to play) is the reason why some people put this game down and never play it again. Good video by the way. I like this game but playing as sonic is an absolute nightmare on a first playthrough. Still didn't get used to his controls.
While I do agree with every single point you said, it does technically come down to skill issue. At one point it was so good at this game, since I was playing it constantly. My life got complicated, and I dropped the game for 2 years. Now I'm reminded of what it was. Like originally entering this game. I don't think the controls are just ass, more so just serviceable. Especially for newcomers to Sonic games in general. But if you try to play this like Adventure or Boost, you will struggle. The only options you have are either master the game, tweak the hell out of the controls, or just use mods. If you have to have that much done before you can get 100% of the experience, you have work to do. And they're still on it. This game has been in development for 24 years, and is still going. I have no doubt they will eventually perfect the controls. I'm glad you and others share this same sentiment I do. About people glazing this game, I think it's simply because of how much there is. 8 zones, a full soundtrack, tons of extras, many playable characters, built in modding support, and multiplayer. From just a glance, it's almost like the perfect Sonic game.
I really wanted to go on a whole tangent on my thoughts on this game as i love it, but i love a lot of games. sometimes its hard for me to actually dislike a game because i always find something i like. Yes the controls i dislike to a point i had to use physics overhaul mods and all of that. which isnt a good thing, having to use a mod to make the game feel more fluid and natural for you. but i will say it's not the greatest to say others suck the game off, there was definitely a lot of love and passion put into this mod of another game, but i can understand where youre going with that. People defend it to high hell, theres a LOT of issues with this game, like the sudden difficulty spikes of later levels and sonic's thok which i personally wish was scaled with momentum like the Xmomentum mod sonic, but still its always great hearing your thoughts on these sort of topics!! sorry for my shoddy two cents
I thought I was crazy too. I hated the controls too and I also got lost. and I'm the guy who can easily navigate Sonic cd without a guide on first play through. you described it perfectly. this is like the first game where I got lost and didn't know where to go. I thought I was just having brain damage
This comment could probably be summed up as “skill issue,” but I’ll elaborate. Never miss an opportunity to gush about this peak of a game. Because when I first played it, I too had a hard time getting used to the controls. I was struggling with basic platforming, and didn’t love it. But today, SRB2 is not just my favorite fangame. It’s not just my favorite 3D Sonic game. SONIC ROBO BLAST 2 IS MY FAVORITE SONIC GAME PERIOD. Why? Let me break it down to you briefly. In the Classics, Sonic has momentum. Unlike in other platformers, if you stop holding a direction you’re not going to stop right off. And if you get up to speed, you’re also not going to stop even if you hold the opposite direction, at least not immediately. This is what momentum is. This is what is lacking in the Adventure games. When you get up to speed and jump, there basically is no force preventing you from near immediately stopping and turning around. At least midair. There’s no real momentum in that sense. And that seemingly small change has a huge affect on how the platforming feels. 1) it makes it feel less like the Classics, and less like a Sonic game in my opinion. 2) It combined with how floaty the jump is in those games zaps all challenge there could be from platforming. I don’t like the Advenure games’ platforming or find it satisfying exactly because of how easy it is. If you actually had that momentum, you would have to manage your speed midair. So as to not overshoot jumps, you’d need to get a feel for Sonic’s momentum and when you need to start “braking” midair before you reach the platform. It’s something that would require more precision, skill, all while feeling more like the Classics. I just described Sonic Robo Blast 2. And when you get to the level where you can maintain your flow, not having to come to a dead stop on platforms but just slow down a bit to land and then immediately jump for the next one, a flow only possible through very good control, it is some of the most satisfying platforming in Sonic… …ever. And I’m not exaggerating even a little bit. Also, the lack of ability to accelerate midair in the Adventure games is something that actually annoys me. I want to get up to speed when I want to. And contrary to what you said, you can accelerate midair in the Classics. Up to Sonic’s default top speed. In fact, you accelerate to that speed faster in the air than you do trying to run across the ground. So besides me just on principle wanting to be able to accelerate when I want to, which would include midair sometimes, I like that SRB2 does this because it feels more like the Classics. The low jump doesn’t bother me. The levels are built around it, and I never find myself in a place where I want to jump higher than my jump or a tornado shield double jump can take me. More than anything, I honestly find the low jump funny and amusing because of how almost comically low it is. But really, I do like that the low jump allows me to get back on the ground a bit more quickly so I can go ahead and jump to the next platform rather than having to jump over a platform, wait for Sonic to fall down onto it, and then jump to the next one. It’s flow. I don’t like how much air drag there is in the Adventure games, especially SA1. How people felt about Frontiers’ jump killing your speed on release? Coming off Generations, that’s how I felt going into SA1 for the first time. You lose so much speed midair so quickly, and the only way to really maintain flow is reliance on the air dash. But then the homing attack can lock on to something you did not want it to or maybe wasn’t even pointing at, making Sonic do a move that kills the rest of his speed, his speed not already killed by the air drag, when I wanted to do a move that maintains momentum. There is also that when trying to do skips and stuff with speed jumps, sometimes you just can’t do it because you can’t go that far because Sonic basically almost stops midair and that’s annoying. SRB2’s air drag is nowhere near as aggressive as SA1’s. And it doesn’t have a homing attack in the first place, just the air dash equivalent in the thok. Also, because there is no homing attack, we have actual platforming and precision needed to do thjngs like badnik bounce or aim yourself at enemies to roll into them. Much better than mashing x repeatedly. SRB2 strips away a lot of mechanics that are simply not good, that are shallow. Like the quick step which turns boost Sonic into temple run every now and then. Or the light speed attack which is a stupid move that takes no skill or thought to use but just forces you to stop and kill all your speed to charge it. Or the boost which makes most enemies obsolete. It’s just got the good stuff. Just like the Classics. Though there are mods that let you play around with other abilities, the level design never puts you in situations where you are forced to use them. Instead, how it works is that you have abilities that you decide to use as you see fit as you see opportunities to use them. They’re bonuses. Because all you really need is roll and jump. From how I described it, can you see why I think this system is better? I like how SRB2’s levels curve and stuff. If you want to maintain your flow of running through the levels, you have to precisely steer through those turns and obstacles on the path and that stuff is satisfying. Rather than just holding boost to run down hallways or holding up if we’re talking SA2. You can’t just skip the levels and all sources of engagement with spin dash jumps like a certain official 3D Sonic game I have had a lot to say about. There is no alternate playstyles you are forced to play as, ones not as fun as what you actually want to be doing. The levels are varied and interesting with satisfying amounts of platforming, little automation that stops you from playing, plenty of nooks and crannies that reward an attentive and curious eye, open sections like SA1 that just look better aesthetically than some of the hallways of SA2, and an aesthetic I just love. Also, yeah. Aesthetic. After SA1, the 3D Sonic’s lost something visually. The levels don’t feel like locations in the same way SA1’s levels do but just as levels. Maybe it’s the unique decorative geometry on the field or the levels integration into the environments or the more open areas and such or all of these. SRB2 also has that. Yet another reason it is king.
As someone who didn’t enjoy their first play through of this game, I can say it’s safer to play as Tails and get a feel for everything before choosing another character. It helps to better understand and grasp the controls and even the level design.(Plus I played with controller anyway so)
The game seems overrated because tons of people genuinely like the game and have fun with it. I wish you could’ve had a similar experience. Have you tried tweaking the controls in the options menu?
If I’m being entirely honest I really only stuck to the game because I liked how Metal Sonic played (Metal Knuckles mod makes it a bonus) and even then nowadays I just play a mod server where I just fight people. Tolerate/straight up dislike the base game with its level designs and enemies
SRB2's level design kinda cooked at Castle Eggman, hazards feel like a threat and the level design accommodates that instead of letting you just run around them in a wide space but then the rest of the game is just kinda eh, but thats the result of some of these levels being developed a long time while others still resemble older versions of themself. As for the controls, it is what it is. "You can still gain speed in the air" isn't that always how Sonic games worked in MOST cases especially the classics? "Whatever momentum you had on the ground when you press jump you're kinda locked into it" This is EXACTLY how Sonic Frontiers works and it BOTHERS me, if you jump from a stand still, you are not going anywhere even remotely fast. SRB2 has a weird jump arc but at least it HAS one. I know it's not relevant here, but hearing an exact description of how I describe Frontiers movement as if it was something normal? idk did I hear this whole part wrong? It just kinda triggered me. lol But i agree with the video for the most part.
I thought I was totally alone on liking Castle Eggman because peeps were doing MAD shit talking of it in these comments. Glad to see I wasn't crazy No not really. You could begin to push yourself in one direction mid air but you would never GAIN speed/accelerate. When you jumped, you effectively locked yourself into a momentum until you hit the ground again. With this game, you can accelerate up to max speed while in the air which is just all kinds of off. Very very different from the classics. I mean... that's about how it works in the classics and other Sonic games, I think the issue with Frontiers isn't "not being able to gain speed in air," it's just the overall stiffness of the jump. Not sure what you're talking about with that last bit but I'd love to clarify whatever I was talking about. Appreciate the comment brudda
@@SendoDX People hate Castle Eggman? Dang I guess I don't really see the acceleration thing, maybe SRB2's is a tad too fast especially in the air? I once saw someone describe SRB2s general acceleration as Sonic Forces like with the sudden speed jolt, I can kinda see it. As for the Frontiers thing, on second thought I might be insane but you're right, it does feel stiff and all I know is it doesn't feel good in slower platforming sections. Which REMINDS me, some people might be criticizing new SRB2 players for not tweaking a few settings and then using Sonic Frontiers to justify that thought. IMO you shouldn't have to tweak ANY settings to make a game good,(especially not to Frontiers extent) it should be as good as possible out of box. First impressions are EVERYTHING.
@@SendoDXMy guy I got to say that one of the things you say here is objectively untrue. Before the spindash, jumping was the fastest way to get up to speed in the Classica because you can accelerate midair.
@@technicallyinept2120 but the acceleration you can attain is heavily dictated by the speed you leave the ground with. Under almost no circumstances can you gain top speed through air acceleration by jumping. In SRB2 the air acceleration is not only noticeable but also intrusive.
@@SendoDX You can 100% get up to top speed by jumping in the Classics. His default top speed, that is. The maximum speed he can reach without aid of downward slopes and stuff. But yeah. I will say that SRB2’s acceleration is noticeably higher. In part because the top speed is much higher. And I can see why that would be difficult to get a handle on. But I am about to explain why I actually kind of like that in a main comment.
I've had a lot of peeps telling me to play as Tails, so maybe I'll give it a shot. ALSO! Just updated the controls so I've got a better perspective on the "correct" way to play
@@SendoDX Here's the thing though, there shouldn't BE a "correct" way to play in terms of controls. If control setup A works amazing for some people, great, on the flip, control setup B would be amazing for another group, why the controls need to have essentially a 'meta' for lack of a better term is beyond me
@@Sarc-n-Sass that’s what I think as well. Overall it’s still a product of the game failing in some category, but at least there are options. Better than I can say for most Sonic fan games hahaha
Prepare yourself for the hoarde of meatriders who dont understand the concept of "different opinion" This game feels like the opposite of base frontiers aight hear me out. Frontiers had a great overworld physic set with dogshit stiff controls in cyberspace Playin SRB2 for the first time was like havibg a really good foundation for physics but its so OVERTUNED. the air dash thing is a fuckin jet beam of momentum, this would be fine if this game didnt have precision platforming, ph just jump? The jump sucks ass. Its like carl from UP broke his femur and is trying to reach his painkillers on the top shelf its fukin awful. And the speed and physics are fun i give it that when you go fast its fun but its so slippery i just do not like it. I can see the appeal, but i legit believe anyone who likes this to meatsucking degree has practised this to an unholy degree and now is conditioned to think its gods own child.
Interesting, I actually found sonic to be ok to control in cyberspace in Frontiers, I loved the overworld controls though, REALLY clean. EXCEPT that shitty wallrun crap. That was janky
I had a hard time with this game for the longest time but I started to play it with keyboard and I personally think that it makes the experience a lot better
Istg playing this game is P A I N. - They HAVE to change the spacing of options in the settings since it's so damn hard to read through all of them when they're so close and use the sonic 2 font. - That pathetic jump height is the bane of my existence. - Egg Castle Bossfight... need I say more?
Played this game after the 1 hour mark on-stream and genuinely had like zero emotions playing it. I wanna say it was just cuz i was tired after doing work in Blender for so long but no I genuinely sat there going through the levels feeling absolutely nothing the whole time could've been worse really, could've absolutely hated it, but i think a game that you hate with a burning passion and remember long after you've played it is better than a really forgettable game that you feel completely indifferent about
I feel like the best way to play srb2 for me is with keyboard & mouse, i have a way better time moving the camera with a mouse instead of an analog stick
Here’s the thing, I would agree with everything you said. If it wasn’t for the insane amount of mods that we have for this game! Character mods like Adventure Sonic, Modern Sonic, X Sonic, Mario, Kirby, and much more! As well as the insane amount of level mods!
i have tried to play this game a few times, even with mods, i dont know why the camera and movement makes me feel sick in my stomach and actually hard to watch, and i know for sure i dont have weak Inertia (if thats the right word for it) the game looks so nice, but just the way you get Whiplash a lot trying to speed through a course because of the camera, and yeah, i also got super lost in a lot of stages as well. the mods are also amazing however, i wish to play that one huge Sonic X mod. but i can't bring myself to play the game to not get passed being a beginner still.
I think I got halfway through this game before dropping it a while back. I like everything else except the controls which I could never get used to. That's a really important part of a game too since controls can make or break it for some people. I'll admit I had skill issues (even if I don't remember half the game lol) but still, it just didn't feel right to me.
I feel like you have to be a bit of a retro gamer to get into SRB2. I mean, this is what happens when you make a Sonic game with Doom. Also, it was a great fan game for what there was at the time (which was basically nothing), the community has just evolved since. Unfortunately, I also couldn't get into the game because I tried way too late.
i defo agree with your take on this game, i think its a fine game but damn the controls are so bad for a sonic game, and i do have to say that the levels at the end of the game are so annoying because they have you make precision platforming with controls that dont feel so good to begin with... and dont get me started on the challenge levels (the OST for aerial garden gives me vietnam flashbacks)
My last comment I posted 5 minutes before schoolwasn't good enough to express my reasons on why I think SRB2 is the best Sonic game, official or not, so here we go. First off; if I played like you did, I would also think this game is trash. But let me tell you how to have fun with this game. Sonic's jump height is so low, but that's for a reason. As I've seen, most of the times when you came across a slope, you spindashed through it. But let me tell you, spin dash in this game sucks. Instead, it will be better to thok at an upwards slope and jump right when you land. This (what I call a Thok Jump) is one of the best parts of the game. Not only you gain great height (which is why Sonic's normal jump is so short in the first place), but you'll also realize you have enough height to badnik bounce. Now, believe me when I say this, badnik bouncing is what cranks this game up to 11. You'll start optimizing paths just to badnik bounce. What keeps you bouncing isn't the score, but the joy you get from reaching heights hard to get with Tails. Also, I've seen everyone talk about camera and how options blah blah blah, so I'll skip that. Modding. So, warning, don't be fooled by anybody that recommends you Adventure or X Sonic. Adventure Sonic will make the game easier but not that fun. X Sonic will make the game harder but not that fun. Modern Sonic, you can try and have fun, but if you're looking for any quality character mods, look to TheJackalMan's channel. He reviews EVERY character mod in-depth. So, in conclusion, skill issue. Jk. This is still my most played Sonic game to date, and my go-to game when I have time. But it's understandable why most people don't like it. The base game is honestly mediocre, only thing pushing me to playing SRB2 are the mods.
My favorite thing about SRB2 is SRB2 Kart Fr though, I think the game is novel, and gets a lot of love for it's mod-ability. It has a really interesting development history. But it does *feel* like a Doom mod (which it is at the end of the day).
Ah... now I remember why I've never played this game. The camera system looks excruciatingly jank. Taking the engine into consideration, it's still damn impressive.
I very much agree with this option, when I first played it, I thought it was dookiefart too. But I thought to myself, maybe I was a bit tough since I only had touch controls. But even after playing with a controller, I still can’t find my way, controls are slippery alongside the camera is a bit weird to control and the air dash is HORRIBLE. These are all the reasons I very much dislike this game.
Some comments are defo gonna say you're playing wrong because of the controller. Don't listen to them gang... it plays just as ass on keyboard and mouse LMAO
@@SendoDX I'm a controller player. I wouldn't hesitate to say that keyboard and mouse is actually worse for most gamemodes, honestly. The exception? Ringslinger games.
Honestly, most of the love comes from mods. I love how the game controls. I recommend playing on manual/strafe on keyboard and also having autobrake on. The game itself is great but kind of limitting on what it has in vanilla. The modded characters, modded stages and addons which change how characters behave are what allow this game to be pushed to its full potential. I recommend watching speedruns of the game whether it be modded or vanilla. You can also play online since it's a fun experience to share with others. Also, about air movemet, the game gives you a lot of freedom with it. You're able to increase and decrease your speed in the air by continuing to hold forward or holding the opposite direction. The thok is moreso used for speeding through platforming/skipping over it rather than a correction as you stated in the video. It's moreso just a misconception for newer players, whoch includes me when I started the game, to use it as a platform corrector. Im sure you'll come to like SRB2. In terms of vanilla, I understand your gripes and having criticisms are perfecty fine
Correction - you CAN gain speed in the air with classic sonic games, but the effectiveness of the acceleration is still heavily dictated by the speed you leave the ground with and that’s what impacts the jump trajectory more than anything. Under almost no circumstances could you attain max speed from a standstill using only air acceleration in those games. That can happen easily in SRB2. SRB2’s air acceleration is not only obvious, it’s intrusive.
My point stands.
Playing SRB2 on the default Simple controls (Automatic camera, no autobrake etc.) is not a good experience. I'd recommend putting the camera on Manual mode, putting autobreak, selecting Orbital Looking and even messing around with the controls if you play on controller.
I personally use a twin stick control method, left stick for movement, right stick for camera (with Orbital looking enabled - you'll need OpenGL mode for this), RB - jump, LB - spin. I also use Steam controller configurator to fine tune stick deadzone and sensitivity beyond what SRB2 offers me ingame.
After making these tweaks I honestly think, without exaggeration, that SRB2 Sonic is the best controlling Sonic out of any Sonic game and I have a good portion of my channel dedicated to SRB2 prove that.
I also recommend TheJackalMan's SRB2 controller layout video for guidance (I had an SRB2 controller tutorial video but it's outdated because future updates reassigned certain buttons and might confuse you)
The GOAT of srb2 stepping in, thank you mr urucu
@@MariusUrucu appreciate the advice, I’ll give it a shot! I will say tho, it’s taking a lot of work to make this game feel better 😭 thank god for the community helping me out with it so I didn’t have to figure this out with trial and error on my own
The way Sonic controls can be decent once you get the hang of it, but my problem with the game it's not the only the controls, but how the level design acommodates for Sonic's controls, specially on later levels. Platforming sections in the later levels get a little too unforgiving considering Sonic doesn't have any vertical movement like Tails and Knuckles do.
@@SendoDX Yeah, for as much as I enjoy SRB2, the controls menu can be really obtuse, especially in regards to mapping Vertical looking and triggers (seriously, how tf am I supposed to know what buttons are X-Rudder, Y-Rudder and Z-Rudder).
Then again, those confusing controls stem from being based off of a Doom sourceport, because it sure as hell is user unfriendly.
imagine being a developer 2 mins into the vid and the reviewer is already shitting on the game hard 💀💀
been sayin this
i said robo blast 2 controls like ass and so many ppl were like "WELL YOU GOTTA USE XYZ MOD" and its like bruh i shouldn't have to do that
I don't get why people have issues with controls, you can stop on a dime so platforming ain't really that hard. All my problems are just the rock-bottom speed cap and the underpowered spin dash.
unironically most physics mods straight up make the physics worse and also make the game worse because it's not designed around them.
but, Adventure Sonic has pretty good physics actually. also S3 Sonic, too.
Both you and the people are right. Default Sonic characters ARE ass but the game changes entirely once you install Adventure sonic or X Sonic. In fact these two mods made me actually like the game where before i wouldn't touch it at all. The only redeeming base character is Tails because of his flight which makes robo blast awful platforming and physics more bearable but playing as any other default character an experience i wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy.
@@peckneck2439 Unironically, I'd rather play Sonic or Metal Sonic instead those two characters. Adventure Sonic is too slow (with the base moveset) to be enjoyable imo. And X Sonic is just Super Mystic Sonic with less abilities. I don't know why X Sonic went so popular because that mod way designed as a speedrunning character.
Also, there are WAY better character mods out there to me. Like all Chaotix characters, Silverhorn, Willo and such that I continously can play without getting bored.
@@Zerosaber91Not really, with SA Sonic you can move faster with a simple air or spin dash. And X Sonic is just fun to mess around with.
you can make it control better by turning on auto brake and changing the camera to Manual/Strafe
I'll give that a shot! Didn't know that was an option, appreciate it
@@SendoDX It is honestly pretty baffling that the developers made the camera Automatic by default. I can only imagine it was a misguided attempt to lure in fans of the adventure style. But SRB2 is not an adventure style Sonic game. Its a DOOM game. Sonic's physics are built around the fact that you aim him like a gun and hold forward, only using left and right movement while going slow or to make very small corrections.
Like any shooter, it works better with kb/m, but you can still improve the controller experience by binding thok/jump to the shoulder buttons and movement to the d-pad for constant camera control.
@@SendoDXbro I literally have told you before there's so many options and you literally didn't listen
@@Doxthefox I would love for you to show me where you listed this exact set of options and plainly said they would provide a better experience than the basic control style
@SendoDX all i did was look up srb2 control setup (it is a bit outdated for the fps part which you can now have basically as much fps you want, i put it at unlimited) th-cam.com/video/Vs77LPlfsZ4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qNaq-ce2P8o8N6Rp another thing, the best way to practice is by playing on time attack which you can race against ghost of your previous self, and if you really need help with stuff like level design there's so many videos that showcase it, and i literally made two videos lately that I think make the game better (tho those are modifications to the game itself, but they're very minor i would say especially for the first video, and in the second video it just make the levels way bigger which i think could be a good way to practice the actual stages)
I have no specific opinions on this game
But the "glaze" probably comes from its modding community and potential
Dude this game has an INSANE modding scene and I love the fact that people can have so much fun with it. I do want to try out some mods and see how that impacts the experience
I suggest you try super mystic sonic and x sonic!
@SendoDX Get Neo Sonic. He has a homing attack to make the levels easier and a higher top speed.
Just uh, you might want to use a controller with a Claw grip to control said speed
As an SRB2 meatrider,
yes
@@SendoDXBeen playing this game for a year now. My suggestions:
CHARACTER MODS
Adventure Sonic i guess it's really just a baby mode
Chaotix
Gemma (not Gamma, this is an OC mod)
Shadow
RushChars
STAGE MODS
Emerald Quest (must-play)
Cyberdime Realm
that's all for beginner-friendly ones
OTHER MODS
X-Momentum (not my ideal but i see a lot of people preferring it)
WHAT YOU SHOULDN'T TRY
Super Mystic Sonic (high skill speedrunning character)
X Sonic (Super Mystic Sonic but broke)
Mystic Realm: Community Edition (it just sucks after the first level)
OLDCs (It's a gamble to see a good stage)
Srb2 is like battlefield, it gets only fun after you've putted 200+ hours on it
Guess it's not a game for me then. :/ 'cuz I usually play a game once and never again, and even then I usually take long breaks between sessions (seriously I still haven't completed Sonic 2 out of sheer laziness).
Skill issue
YES I WAS WAITING FOR THIS COMMENT YESSSS
I don’t like the skill issue argument, it all comes down to personal opinion whether a game is enjoyed or not. I unironically really like Sonic 06 for example.
@@SilverMcMurray1998
Valid. Would you say your "bad" at Sonic 06 ?
@@FirstName_LqstName I never encountered most of the glitches in the game, so maybe I was just lucky
@@SilverMcMurray1998I also like Sonic 06, but I find glitches fun.
Great video! The community is going to tear you apart over this opinion, though.
They're not very friendly when it comes to disagreements like this.
THE GOAT
@@Sandwichface YOOO DUDE I love your content!! Seeing you in the comments put a huge smile on my face, much love man 🙌🙌 keep on being amazing!
I don't know why the Sonic fanbase does this. Probably because they are essentially all kids and people with half a brain.
Love your stuff man never stop cooking
DUDE NO WAY, sorry you had to go through the community drama. Turns out a game about a blue hedgehog is worth sending death threats to others and such, Sonic really is more important than I thought huh. XD
As someone who has played the hell out of this game I will say that I'm so glad someone decided to talk about this. When I was a little younger I didn't care as much cause everything is fun when your oblivious to bugs and issues, but as I kept playing I started to feel how awful the movement is. Sonic has the gravity as a feather and yet also has the air control of a rock and it's just like wow, I mean you know it's sad when I open the game to instantly load a air control/momentum mod. And that's just the game!!
what's even worse is if you are like me and still HAD hope for this game you might as well give up because the team doesn't share ANYTHING with it's community! I'm in their discord and it's considered generous to get bread crumbs for news. And if you dare to talk about issues of the game 9 times out of 10 you get into an argument. I can confidently say that the ONLY reason why this game is still being playing is cause of the mods.
I really like this game for what it is, a classic sonic game in 3d and the levels are pretty fun to learn even if it takes time but inside the game the control REALLY needs attention and outside the game we NEED to have more news along with less putting people down for speaking up. If they really want a small update all they need to do is fix gravity and jump height and air control also MAYYYYYBE smoother acceleration for both air and ground movement but knowing this game that's going to take till 2040 for it to happen.
I just wanna have fun again...
I've heard some... less than savory things about the current dev team and the way that they handle community interaction/drama. That, mixed with the way that peeps overall treat this game and protect it like their own child... idk, it's just a weird scene man
@@SendoDX Yeah It's strange to say the least, but I swear It's great! Even if it might take more time to get used to than I'd like to admit. They will try to change the control and physics in the future but as you can tell it'll take "some" time before that happens, Therefore don't hold your breath. XD
@@SendoDX I like that you just say stuff with like no evidence and nothing to back it up in an attempt to spread drama and discourse instead of acting like an adult. and yet the ones that "glaze' this game are the immature ones? what strawman are you building to attack rn? why cant you just make normal arguments? are you addicted to drama?
@@sants4560 I’ve watched SRB2 community videos where I’ve heard “less than savory things about the dev team” in some contexts. Not calling them terrible people, I’ve just heard that they’re bad at dealing with community drama or can be stubborn... that’s literally it, and that’s what I expressed in my original comment. Not only was I not talking as an authority figure, I just said “yeah I’ve heard” in response to a small part of the original post to validate that I’d seen similar things. Unsure how this random aside that isn’t impacting the content of my video or the way I view this game in any meaningful way is remotely relevant, or how it even pushes more drama. If you’re not happy with my video just say that and point to what you disagree with. This random ass personal attack out of nowhere because I said something to the effect of “yeah I’ve heard something similar” isn’t doing your image any favors. TL;DR - I’m not the one coming out of this interaction looking bad or breeding more drama...
As someone who enjoys SRB2 currently, i CAN say it got frustrating & not fun to play for the first time (sonic being slippery & too fast)
The thing is, you need to get used to the controls. Give it some time and practice, configure the game to your likings (there's multiple configs), and once you get the hang of it, it's actually pretty fun
Once i got used to the speed, levels, and started using mods/add-ons, i actually started to think the vanilla characters are pretty slow or balanced!
You could say it's an acquired taste. But hey, if you still don't like it after spending a lot of time practicing & getting used to it, it's fine!
Music's pretty rad, ngl
Edit: TL;DR it's harsh for newbies to learn, but it's pretty good once you've dominated it.
Completely agree with you. No matter how much I try. The game just never appeals to me
The appeal to SRB2 is the modding scene, the base game is essentially just a high-effort sample project.
Save yourself the stress of playing the vanilla game and download something like the Adventure Sonic mod and the game becomes ten times better.
Hot take: Adventure Sonic is one of the worst character mods
@@Zerosaber91 which one do you recommend for new players
Or try x sonic
@@CrystalClear51 Adventure Sonic is a go to for new players but after you've experienced more than 80 mods, he just becomes boring to play. I can recommend some (but trust me, you'll NOT revisit them after mastering the game):
Adventure Sonic
Neo Sonic
Charmy (from Chaotix mod)
Skip (from StephChars mod)
Shadow
You can't forget the X Sonic mod, that is PEAK SRB2@@Zerosaber91
thank you devs it was truly an incredible idea to make the worst possible configuration setup the default one
SRB2 fans complaining about Heroes physics before getting on their PC to play ice physics simulator 2012
I LOVE GAINING SPEED IN MID AIR I LOVE GAINING SPEED IN--
Both have solid physics imo
I haven't played SRB2, but honestly I might just to see if it's really "terrible to control" or just. Y'know.
A different style of game that prioritises getting good at the controls and level design in order to maximise speed.
The Sonic fandom is pretty well known to hate something that's different unless it's really flashy.
@@FirstName_LqstName So without actually trying the game, you're going to immediately judge someone who has? That's kinda based
I dunno, SRB2 controls and physics work well. Have you tried checking your controls in the options menu.
Oh my god, someone gets it. Why are mods required to enjoy your fan game...
Who ever said that?
@@fonsales5373 Most people in the comments are saying that the appeal of the game is the modding scene
The base game is fine though. The mods are just things you can add onto to it.
w h a t
You dont need mods to enjoy it
The voice of reason. I have the exact same complaints on the game. Sonic felt weird at first but grows on you... But the spike in level design... or decline in it... when its literally the second zone of the game I'm already lost and confuzzled, its a problem and i already know now what im going to be subjected to in the future now. I've only gotten past zone 2 so maybe I shouldn't talk
Edit: Should add. The game is fun but the learning is not
I think the main problem is how momentum works in this game. This game’s acceleration curve is much steeper than most games than and it shows especially.
The acceleration in srb2 is almost entirely exponential, If you jump forward from a stand still you’ll go nowhere and if you’re already moving at a decent speed you hit max airspeed in under half a second.
Also because Fang and Amy’s jump height is slightly higher than the rest of the cast, they’re the only ones who jump onto the block at 0:27 without using abilities. Having the minimum jump height be moved up to theirs could help improve platforming.
P.S. Play Metal Sonic, he literally fixes half this game’s problems.
Game too slow because there’s no grounded momentum?
Accelerate to double the max run speed.
Jump height too low?
Gain increased jump height during boost mode.
Struggling to adjust in the air?
Use float to air stall and ignore the rolling jump penalty.
Annoying platforming section?
Get on the highest platform and LITERALLY SKIP ALL OF IT.
hmm the community is shifting from praising to hating again…
the community of srb2 sucks anyways so yeag
it sucks because you're using automatic camera mode (which is set by default by the devs), change it to manual/strafe and turn off autobrake and your experience on MnK should be way less cancerous, you might even enjoy the game.
I littelary can not physically play this game for more than 20 minutes, because it causes extreme motion sickness whenever I try to play it.
Dude I'm sorry to hear that. Could be the extreme jerkiness of the camera that's somewhat required during gameplay... idk, either way sorry to hear that
@@SendoDX I tried messing with the camera settings: changing it's offset, moving it further back, even tried searching some mods, but oh well. Great channel btw keep it up!
@@michailstarolatko6529 I've heard other people having motion sickness too with this game. like this sonic tuber I forgot the name of Also does. it's crazy
Deadass think Omens speed stages are better than the levels in this game. I just dont like the levels in this game.
Omens levels are definitely more focused, which I think can be a benefit
@@SendoDX Episodes 3 and 4 are yucky tbh
as someone who loves this fangame I understand your complaints I do think sonic should have some sort of recovery move but overall I still love this game for what it is considering this fangame was made originally in like 1992 or smth from what I remember in the end I think what makes a lot of sonic fans enjoy this is how fresh it all feels the amount of new enviornments, attention to detail, and multiple characters the gameplay may have its flaws but overall it aint that bad to me
Plot twist: Sendo DX secretly likes vanilla SRB2
The controls are so weird because it's built off DOOM. Imagine Sonic is your gun and just strafe left and right and things start to become easier to stomach
Wait seriously?
@@Sarc-n-Sass Absolutely. Sonic Robo Blast 2 is a heavy DOOM modification lmao.
you should try out tails before playing with just sonic, sonic just so happens to be the hardest character in srb2, there used to be a warning in his character description that said he wasnt meant for beginners, ive got no idea why new sonic team jr thought it was a good idea to remove it, tails gives you wiggle room for missed jumps while still teaching you how the controls work, i think hes got better traction too, srb2 is like the genesis sonic games where your not meant to get it on your first try, but to keep trying and improving, thats where the fun comes from in my opinion, mastering the controls and learning each characters quirks and playing around them so you can zoom through stages with ease
I feel like that's kind of a negative though, Sonic should be the normal not the hard
@@Craft_Mesa Isn't Sonic the harder character to use in every classic sonic game?
@@windowpersonSRB2 nah that's knuckles
@@SendoDX NGL Knuckles and Tails feel too OP in Sonic games.
@@windowpersonSRB2 I'm pretty sure knuckles is the hardest in the classic games. his routes, lower jump, and his endlag in his glide and climb make him the hard mode
Exactly how i feel about Frontiers basically but yeah, i also don't understand SRBB2 community as well, which is fine
It’s blasting time 😈
LET IT BE KNOWN IM THE REASON HES PLAYING IT! 😈😤
1:07 fair, I think it’s great I can see why people think it’s “the best” but there’s other fan games I enjoy far more than this one.
2:12 that and even though it’s VERY impressive that they made it in the DOOM engine, it doesn’t help
2:59 he’s supposed to be “hard mode” which I don’t really get why they did that, Knuckles jumps higher than him, apparently 2.3 is gonna completely revamp the game like new levels and actual momentum stuff.
5:06 idea is COOL, but I hate the Thok simply because of the reasons your explaining and cause it’s actually screwed me so hard so many times.
8:13 it is very frustrating, I love and hate this game all in one.
8:58 fair??? I think the stages are INCREDIBLY linear when you get used to it. Not as much room for exploration as I thought except for “high and low” exploration.
I commend Sendo for fighting with people defending a game that came out before they were born. As someone who likes the game, yeah I agree with everything you've said, I don't know how people consider this the best.
as a modder of the game i can understand where you are coming from and i respect your opinion, have a good day
2:07 I think this is because Sonic’s base jump height is so short and he has such slow acceleration, while at the same time, flying around like a plane whenever he’s launched into the air by a spring.
I mean to excuse it, the game isn't finished for the long time it's been out, then again it is classic sonic in 3d...
definitely a controls issue, you are right though characters do feel heavy which has been a thing for a long time. Srb2 is one of those games you can't just jump into to enjoy, but in your control settings you can enable auto breaking, and switch control mode to automatic, i have my jump and spin binded to the triggers, that way in manual mode i have better camera control
SRB2 fans when you don’t like the game with bad controls: 😡
There's a reason I exclusively play as Kris Deltarune lol.
Sonic definitely needs a re-work, and the physics do make the game play more like a traditional plaformer than a sonic game.
The game is also in dire need of a revision in level design and visuals, especially Egg Rock Zone. I do hope the game is able to improve on that the most.
Keep in mind that this game is a technical marvel, being made from the legacy doom source port. It is not the best sonic game but it's probably the best modding sandbox the sonic community has atm.
I recommend checking out Ring Racers if you like technical kart racers (like Crash team racing), it was derived from SRB2's codebase and is currently my favorite kart racer!
THANK YOU
I do not understand why people glaze this game so much
Because its just fun
Yeah, it happens but I won’t judge you for it.
The base games is very lackluster the spindash is only good for spindash jumping you cant uncurl from a roll, the rolling itself controls very bad, the base controller scheme sucks because how the games is designed and yet I still really like this game because you can load three-trillion mods and fix whatever problems you have with it. There are many multiple physics change mods that make the game play more like the adventure games with momentum (even though the levels aren’t really designed for it) there’s loads of characters that also change the gameplay like modern sonic or blaze and community is really active so there’s always more to play
I understand where you're coming from with this, I've been playing Srb2 since I was 6-7 years old and I'm close to being 21 now. Honestly playing on anything but strafe mode is the worst experience at least in my opinion but I do say Srb2 was at it's peak during the 2010's with how little people played it yet there were a ton of mods to keep it fresh and entertaining especially compared to where it's at today in 2.2.
Personally I just think everyone now says Srb2 is the best sonic fan game due to how easy it is just to mod the game and it's one of if not one of the only sonic fan games that frequently gets updates time to time, somewhat easy to make mods for and being able to play with friends very easily.
Nobody really talked about it back then either I remember finding it on a random website that has sonic fan games for download and Srb2 was one of them.
I envy people that think this is the best sonic fan game 😭
I thought the controls were fine I never had a problem with them
To like omens more than SRB2 is CRAZY!
Hey man... at least Omens plays well
Wild
As a longtime SRB2 modder/player, the main issue with the controls is that if you don't have a lot of momentum, you acceleration is super low, whilst the moment you pick up some speed the acceleration goes up. So if you had some speed when initiating a jump, pressing W will make you accelerate forward a lot, but if you didn't, then you'll basically have no air control. Techically, your acceleration is divided by half when midair, but because of this peculiarity it only makes the problem worse. Like, if you want to make a corrective jump because you overshot a platform, you can't, because changing direction mid-jump is impossible. This is also why the ground controls feel so slippery and bad, despite them adding an autobreak option in 2.2 to address it. Also, the jump being low, the gravity being low and the camera following you up as you jump, makes the jump arc very bad yeah. It all stems from the controls being a tweaked version of the Doom controls lol
why does this feel like a dream
one of my favorite youtubers playing my favorite game
appreciate it gang, I hope my negativity wasn't too much
I think I play this game too much cuz i fuckin looove how sonic controls in this game. Love the vid tho
Hey brudda nothing wrong with that! Glad you enjoy the control feel man, much love
I mean... having a 1st person camera as a 3rd person camera isn't a good idea for a Sonic game
You can change how the camera behaves in the settings
I get you, i kinda hated the game first time i played, the player physics can feel kind of weird first time around. But once they click, it is absolutely amazing, and later levels get so good too aesthetic wise, you should try to finish it at least once!
Try to play with tails if you're having a bad time with sonic!
I've finished it a few times before, so a lot of this is based on many hours of play. But yeah the levels are pretty dope and the visuals are even more dope!! Lots to love with this game if you can get beyond the controls, I just can't personally haha
Modding for this game is INSANE all around tho, we love to see it. More Sonic content is never a bad thing
The reason Sonic isn't jumping very high is because you are supposed to HOLD the spacebar to jump higher, and tap it for little hops, this has been present in the classic games for the longest time, and this game was made around the time where the most notable Sonic games were the Adventure and classic series, both of which had this jumping mechanic.
The reason the movement is a bit slippery is because the game is (currently) based off the code of a Doom source port (it was originally based off the Hexen engine, but I won't get into that lest we stay here talking for 5 more minutes - but yes, it did move engines), specifically Doom Legacy. I play alot more classic Doom than I do Sonic games nowadays, so playing games whose movement feels more like Doom feels more natural to me.
Also, spindashing requires more than a single button press to be effective- mashing the spin button in SRB2, like holding down and pressing jump alot in the classic games, makes the spindash more powerful. I just saw a weak spindash or two and thought you might need to know this, too.
I uh... I know that and it doesn't impact the way that I view the game. His jump height is still VERY low even when holding the space bar down.
That's valid, still ends up feeling weird for people coming from other platformers so I think it's valid to dislike but if you don't mind it that's totally valid.
Wait so do I need to spam the space bar while holding shift or just hold shift down? Holding shift down seemed to work so if there's also a spacebar element that I didn't know about, I'll use that more
@@SendoDX Okay, I just opened up the game and held spin down, you have to hold it until the spinning sounds stop for maximum power
I love SRB2 and i've always agreed about the default character jump height just seeming too low for a Sonic game. You feel more like a jumping car with a zero turning radius than anything. But then I remembered: "Oh yeah, that's right, Mystic used to be a lead game designer and community manager." And when I tell you that *that* guy was likely to blame for 80% of SRB2's game-feel problems, I mean it. Nobody liked that guy lol. His hierarchical seniority combined with his anal-rententive autism was a major reason why the devs could barely iterate on SRB2's game design at all over the project's 20 year history. (he's been chased out of the community for other reasons since after v2.2 came out, though)
Really don't like the fact that they made sonic the "hard mode" of this game, it's usually knuckles who's supposed to be the hardest. And the fact that players are most likely to pick sonic without looking at the text on the side of the select screen (which doesn't really specify that he's the hardest character to play) is the reason why some people put this game down and never play it again.
Good video by the way. I like this game but playing as sonic is an absolute nightmare on a first playthrough. Still didn't get used to his controls.
Finally after that Omens fiasco i can start agreeing with you again
Welcome back to the Sendo side LMAOO
ngl i always hated the level design, especially that castle level
While I do agree with every single point you said, it does technically come down to skill issue. At one point it was so good at this game, since I was playing it constantly. My life got complicated, and I dropped the game for 2 years. Now I'm reminded of what it was. Like originally entering this game.
I don't think the controls are just ass, more so just serviceable. Especially for newcomers to Sonic games in general. But if you try to play this like Adventure or Boost, you will struggle. The only options you have are either master the game, tweak the hell out of the controls, or just use mods. If you have to have that much done before you can get 100% of the experience, you have work to do.
And they're still on it. This game has been in development for 24 years, and is still going. I have no doubt they will eventually perfect the controls.
I'm glad you and others share this same sentiment I do. About people glazing this game, I think it's simply because of how much there is. 8 zones, a full soundtrack, tons of extras, many playable characters, built in modding support, and multiplayer. From just a glance, it's almost like the perfect Sonic game.
He needed his hot take fix after playing through Omens
I really wanted to go on a whole tangent on my thoughts on this game as i love it, but i love a lot of games. sometimes its hard for me to actually dislike a game because i always find something i like. Yes the controls i dislike to a point i had to use physics overhaul mods and all of that. which isnt a good thing, having to use a mod to make the game feel more fluid and natural for you. but i will say it's not the greatest to say others suck the game off, there was definitely a lot of love and passion put into this mod of another game, but i can understand where youre going with that. People defend it to high hell, theres a LOT of issues with this game, like the sudden difficulty spikes of later levels and sonic's thok which i personally wish was scaled with momentum like the Xmomentum mod sonic, but still its always great hearing your thoughts on these sort of topics!! sorry for my shoddy two cents
He’s cooking thank god someone gets it
I thought I was crazy too. I hated the controls too and I also got lost. and I'm the guy who can easily navigate Sonic cd without a guide on first play through. you described it perfectly. this is like the first game where I got lost and didn't know where to go. I thought I was just having brain damage
SRB2 base = ehhhhhhhh
SRB2 modded = YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH BOIIIIII
I just wish this game had better bosses and level design in later stages required slightly less precision.
This comment could probably be summed up as “skill issue,” but I’ll elaborate. Never miss an opportunity to gush about this peak of a game.
Because when I first played it, I too had a hard time getting used to the controls. I was struggling with basic platforming, and didn’t love it.
But today, SRB2 is not just my favorite fangame. It’s not just my favorite 3D Sonic game. SONIC ROBO BLAST 2 IS MY FAVORITE SONIC GAME PERIOD.
Why? Let me break it down to you briefly.
In the Classics, Sonic has momentum. Unlike in other platformers, if you stop holding a direction you’re not going to stop right off. And if you get up to speed, you’re also not going to stop even if you hold the opposite direction, at least not immediately. This is what momentum is.
This is what is lacking in the Adventure games. When you get up to speed and jump, there basically is no force preventing you from near immediately stopping and turning around. At least midair. There’s no real momentum in that sense. And that seemingly small change has a huge affect on how the platforming feels.
1) it makes it feel less like the Classics, and less like a Sonic game in my opinion.
2) It combined with how floaty the jump is in those games zaps all challenge there could be from platforming. I don’t like the Advenure games’ platforming or find it satisfying exactly because of how easy it is.
If you actually had that momentum, you would have to manage your speed midair. So as to not overshoot jumps, you’d need to get a feel for Sonic’s momentum and when you need to start “braking” midair before you reach the platform. It’s something that would require more precision, skill, all while feeling more like the Classics.
I just described Sonic Robo Blast 2. And when you get to the level where you can maintain your flow, not having to come to a dead stop on platforms but just slow down a bit to land and then immediately jump for the next one, a flow only possible through very good control, it is some of the most satisfying platforming in Sonic…
…ever. And I’m not exaggerating even a little bit.
Also, the lack of ability to accelerate midair in the Adventure games is something that actually annoys me. I want to get up to speed when I want to.
And contrary to what you said, you can accelerate midair in the Classics. Up to Sonic’s default top speed. In fact, you accelerate to that speed faster in the air than you do trying to run across the ground.
So besides me just on principle wanting to be able to accelerate when I want to, which would include midair sometimes, I like that SRB2 does this because it feels more like the Classics.
The low jump doesn’t bother me. The levels are built around it, and I never find myself in a place where I want to jump higher than my jump or a tornado shield double jump can take me. More than anything, I honestly find the low jump funny and amusing because of how almost comically low it is.
But really, I do like that the low jump allows me to get back on the ground a bit more quickly so I can go ahead and jump to the next platform rather than having to jump over a platform, wait for Sonic to fall down onto it, and then jump to the next one. It’s flow.
I don’t like how much air drag there is in the Adventure games, especially SA1. How people felt about Frontiers’ jump killing your speed on release? Coming off Generations, that’s how I felt going into SA1 for the first time. You lose so much speed midair so quickly, and the only way to really maintain flow is reliance on the air dash.
But then the homing attack can lock on to something you did not want it to or maybe wasn’t even pointing at, making Sonic do a move that kills the rest of his speed, his speed not already killed by the air drag, when I wanted to do a move that maintains momentum.
There is also that when trying to do skips and stuff with speed jumps, sometimes you just can’t do it because you can’t go that far because Sonic basically almost stops midair and that’s annoying.
SRB2’s air drag is nowhere near as aggressive as SA1’s. And it doesn’t have a homing attack in the first place, just the air dash equivalent in the thok.
Also, because there is no homing attack, we have actual platforming and precision needed to do thjngs like badnik bounce or aim yourself at enemies to roll into them. Much better than mashing x repeatedly.
SRB2 strips away a lot of mechanics that are simply not good, that are shallow. Like the quick step which turns boost Sonic into temple run every now and then. Or the light speed attack which is a stupid move that takes no skill or thought to use but just forces you to stop and kill all your speed to charge it. Or the boost which makes most enemies obsolete.
It’s just got the good stuff. Just like the Classics.
Though there are mods that let you play around with other abilities, the level design never puts you in situations where you are forced to use them. Instead, how it works is that you have abilities that you decide to use as you see fit as you see opportunities to use them.
They’re bonuses. Because all you really need is roll and jump. From how I described it, can you see why I think this system is better?
I like how SRB2’s levels curve and stuff. If you want to maintain your flow of running through the levels, you have to precisely steer through those turns and obstacles on the path and that stuff is satisfying. Rather than just holding boost to run down hallways or holding up if we’re talking SA2.
You can’t just skip the levels and all sources of engagement with spin dash jumps like a certain official 3D Sonic game I have had a lot to say about.
There is no alternate playstyles you are forced to play as, ones not as fun as what you actually want to be doing.
The levels are varied and interesting with satisfying amounts of platforming, little automation that stops you from playing, plenty of nooks and crannies that reward an attentive and curious eye, open sections like SA1 that just look better aesthetically than some of the hallways of SA2, and an aesthetic I just love.
Also, yeah. Aesthetic. After SA1, the 3D Sonic’s lost something visually. The levels don’t feel like locations in the same way SA1’s levels do but just as levels. Maybe it’s the unique decorative geometry on the field or the levels integration into the environments or the more open areas and such or all of these.
SRB2 also has that. Yet another reason it is king.
Egg Rock act 2 best song in this game
Yeah no i already know it wasn’t the best sonic game, i usually only play it for the modded characters,
As someone who didn’t enjoy their first play through of this game, I can say it’s safer to play as Tails and get a feel for everything before choosing another character. It helps to better understand and grasp the controls and even the level design.(Plus I played with controller anyway so)
99% sure half of these problems come from the dev team using the doom engine
The game seems overrated because tons of people genuinely like the game and have fun with it. I wish you could’ve had a similar experience. Have you tried tweaking the controls in the options menu?
If I’m being entirely honest I really only stuck to the game because I liked how Metal Sonic played (Metal Knuckles mod makes it a bonus) and even then nowadays I just play a mod server where I just fight people. Tolerate/straight up dislike the base game with its level designs and enemies
Bro this before sonic momentum(T△T)
*still good game*
Don't force me to make it underrated because SRB2 is perfectly rated
FINALLY SOMEONE FUCKING SAID IT THAT THIS ISN'T THE BEST SONIC FAN GAME HOLY SHIT
HOLY SHIT THE NOOB ADVENTURE DEV??
SRB2's level design kinda cooked at Castle Eggman, hazards feel like a threat and the level design accommodates that instead of letting you just run around them in a wide space but then the rest of the game is just kinda eh, but thats the result of some of these levels being developed a long time while others still resemble older versions of themself. As for the controls, it is what it is.
"You can still gain speed in the air" isn't that always how Sonic games worked in MOST cases especially the classics?
"Whatever momentum you had on the ground when you press jump you're kinda locked into it" This is EXACTLY how Sonic Frontiers works and it BOTHERS me, if you jump from a stand still, you are not going anywhere even remotely fast. SRB2 has a weird jump arc but at least it HAS one.
I know it's not relevant here, but hearing an exact description of how I describe Frontiers movement as if it was something normal? idk did I hear this whole part wrong? It just kinda triggered me. lol
But i agree with the video for the most part.
I thought I was totally alone on liking Castle Eggman because peeps were doing MAD shit talking of it in these comments. Glad to see I wasn't crazy
No not really. You could begin to push yourself in one direction mid air but you would never GAIN speed/accelerate. When you jumped, you effectively locked yourself into a momentum until you hit the ground again. With this game, you can accelerate up to max speed while in the air which is just all kinds of off. Very very different from the classics.
I mean... that's about how it works in the classics and other Sonic games, I think the issue with Frontiers isn't "not being able to gain speed in air," it's just the overall stiffness of the jump.
Not sure what you're talking about with that last bit but I'd love to clarify whatever I was talking about. Appreciate the comment brudda
@@SendoDX People hate Castle Eggman? Dang
I guess I don't really see the acceleration thing, maybe SRB2's is a tad too fast especially in the air? I once saw someone describe SRB2s general acceleration as Sonic Forces like with the sudden speed jolt, I can kinda see it.
As for the Frontiers thing, on second thought I might be insane but you're right, it does feel stiff and all I know is it doesn't feel good in slower platforming sections.
Which REMINDS me, some people might be criticizing new SRB2 players for not tweaking a few settings and then using Sonic Frontiers to justify that thought. IMO you shouldn't have to tweak ANY settings to make a game good,(especially not to Frontiers extent) it should be as good as possible out of box. First impressions are EVERYTHING.
@@SendoDXMy guy I got to say that one of the things you say here is objectively untrue.
Before the spindash, jumping was the fastest way to get up to speed in the Classica because you can accelerate midair.
@@technicallyinept2120 but the acceleration you can attain is heavily dictated by the speed you leave the ground with. Under almost no circumstances can you gain top speed through air acceleration by jumping. In SRB2 the air acceleration is not only noticeable but also intrusive.
@@SendoDX You can 100% get up to top speed by jumping in the Classics. His default top speed, that is. The maximum speed he can reach without aid of downward slopes and stuff.
But yeah. I will say that SRB2’s acceleration is noticeably higher. In part because the top speed is much higher. And I can see why that would be difficult to get a handle on. But I am about to explain why I actually kind of like that in a main comment.
nah lil bro just switch to tails at this point 😂
how old are you
i know you wouldn't respond to this,but you can play as tails and switch to manual and see what do you think about the controls
I've had a lot of peeps telling me to play as Tails, so maybe I'll give it a shot. ALSO! Just updated the controls so I've got a better perspective on the "correct" way to play
@@SendoDX Here's the thing though, there shouldn't BE a "correct" way to play in terms of controls. If control setup A works amazing for some people, great, on the flip, control setup B would be amazing for another group, why the controls need to have essentially a 'meta' for lack of a better term is beyond me
@@Sarc-n-Sass that’s what I think as well. Overall it’s still a product of the game failing in some category, but at least there are options. Better than I can say for most Sonic fan games hahaha
I'm agreeing that the jump height should be bumped up a bit, but you eventually get used to the ground controls
I had to play it as tails because I would miss like EVERY JUMP and zoom off stuff as sonic.
Prepare yourself for the hoarde of meatriders who dont understand the concept of "different opinion"
This game feels like the opposite of base frontiers aight hear me out. Frontiers had a great overworld physic set with dogshit stiff controls in cyberspace
Playin SRB2 for the first time was like havibg a really good foundation for physics but its so OVERTUNED. the air dash thing is a fuckin jet beam of momentum, this would be fine if this game didnt have precision platforming, ph just jump? The jump sucks ass. Its like carl from UP broke his femur and is trying to reach his painkillers on the top shelf its fukin awful. And the speed and physics are fun i give it that when you go fast its fun but its so slippery i just do not like it.
I can see the appeal, but i legit believe anyone who likes this to meatsucking degree has practised this to an unholy degree and now is conditioned to think its gods own child.
They're already coming in gang LMAOO I was expecting it
Interesting, I actually found sonic to be ok to control in cyberspace in Frontiers, I loved the overworld controls though, REALLY clean. EXCEPT that shitty wallrun crap. That was janky
I had a hard time with this game for the longest time but I started to play it with keyboard and I personally think that it makes the experience a lot better
Keyboard changes the game for sure! I'm playing with keyboard in this and it's just... it's so much better than controller
@@SendoDX yea this game just doesn’t feel right with controller, very funny about that fact too because the game was made using the doom engine
Istg playing this game is P A I N.
- They HAVE to change the spacing of options in the settings since it's so damn hard to read through all of them when they're so close and use the sonic 2 font.
- That pathetic jump height is the bane of my existence.
- Egg Castle Bossfight... need I say more?
Played this game after the 1 hour mark on-stream and genuinely had like zero emotions playing it. I wanna say it was just cuz i was tired after doing work in Blender for so long but no I genuinely sat there going through the levels feeling absolutely nothing the whole time
could've been worse really, could've absolutely hated it, but i think a game that you hate with a burning passion and remember long after you've played it is better than a really forgettable game that you feel completely indifferent about
honestly i cant have fun in this game without the sonic adventure physics mod
I feel like the best way to play srb2 for me is with keyboard & mouse, i have a way better time moving the camera with a mouse instead of an analog stick
Here’s the thing, I would agree with everything you said. If it wasn’t for the insane amount of mods that we have for this game! Character mods like Adventure Sonic, Modern Sonic, X Sonic, Mario, Kirby, and much more! As well as the insane amount of level mods!
@@isaacrogers4174 the modding scene for this game is insane!! Definitely worth picking up to experience that at least
I agree that this game still has a few flaws, like no wall running or loops in the physics engine, and an unnecessarily steep difficulty curve
Wait until he hears about the Add-ons...
i have tried to play this game a few times, even with mods, i dont know why the camera and movement makes me feel sick in my stomach and actually hard to watch, and i know for sure i dont have weak Inertia (if thats the right word for it)
the game looks so nice, but just the way you get Whiplash a lot trying to speed through a course because of the camera, and yeah, i also got super lost in a lot of stages as well.
the mods are also amazing however, i wish to play that one huge Sonic X mod. but i can't bring myself to play the game to not get passed being a beginner still.
Spoiler: It sucks, don't play that mod
i had to play this game for a year to get base game controls to feel the best
Gave sonic the X chin treatment
bro.. SONIC PLAYS SO BAD BRO he's so slippery I play, SRB 2 on android and it Feels way more harder..
Playing SRB2 on android is like reading a book while skating
I think I got halfway through this game before dropping it a while back. I like everything else except the controls which I could never get used to. That's a really important part of a game too since controls can make or break it for some people. I'll admit I had skill issues (even if I don't remember half the game lol) but still, it just didn't feel right to me.
Nah no skill issue, this shit just controls bad lmao
You should've seen what it was like back in version 2.0
I feel like you have to be a bit of a retro gamer to get into SRB2. I mean, this is what happens when you make a Sonic game with Doom.
Also, it was a great fan game for what there was at the time (which was basically nothing), the community has just evolved since.
Unfortunately, I also couldn't get into the game because I tried way too late.
i defo agree with your take on this game, i think its a fine game but damn the controls are so bad for a sonic game, and i do have to say that the levels at the end of the game are so annoying because they have you make precision platforming with controls that dont feel so good to begin with... and dont get me started on the challenge levels (the OST for aerial garden gives me vietnam flashbacks)
My last comment I posted 5 minutes before schoolwasn't good enough to express my reasons on why I think SRB2 is the best Sonic game, official or not, so here we go.
First off; if I played like you did, I would also think this game is trash. But let me tell you how to have fun with this game.
Sonic's jump height is so low, but that's for a reason. As I've seen, most of the times when you came across a slope, you spindashed through it. But let me tell you, spin dash in this game sucks. Instead, it will be better to thok at an upwards slope and jump right when you land. This (what I call a Thok Jump) is one of the best parts of the game. Not only you gain great height (which is why Sonic's normal jump is so short in the first place), but you'll also realize you have enough height to badnik bounce. Now, believe me when I say this, badnik bouncing is what cranks this game up to 11. You'll start optimizing paths just to badnik bounce. What keeps you bouncing isn't the score, but the joy you get from reaching heights hard to get with Tails.
Also, I've seen everyone talk about camera and how options blah blah blah, so I'll skip that.
Modding. So, warning, don't be fooled by anybody that recommends you Adventure or X Sonic. Adventure Sonic will make the game easier but not that fun. X Sonic will make the game harder but not that fun. Modern Sonic, you can try and have fun, but if you're looking for any quality character mods, look to TheJackalMan's channel. He reviews EVERY character mod in-depth.
So, in conclusion,
skill issue. Jk. This is still my most played Sonic game to date, and my go-to game when I have time. But it's understandable why most people don't like it. The base game is honestly mediocre, only thing pushing me to playing SRB2 are the mods.
they really shouldve made the stages larger
The physics, characters, levels and all that are gonna be better in the next update, so this is (right now at least) a skill issue
My favorite thing about SRB2 is SRB2 Kart
Fr though, I think the game is novel, and gets a lot of love for it's mod-ability. It has a really interesting development history. But it does *feel* like a Doom mod (which it is at the end of the day).
Now what about Ring Racers?
Ah... now I remember why I've never played this game. The camera system looks excruciatingly jank. Taking the engine into consideration, it's still damn impressive.
Come on bro you just have that *ULTRASKILL ISSUE*
I very much agree with this option, when I first played it, I thought it was dookiefart too. But I thought to myself, maybe I was a bit tough since I only had touch controls. But even after playing with a controller, I still can’t find my way, controls are slippery alongside the camera is a bit weird to control and the air dash is HORRIBLE. These are all the reasons I very much dislike this game.
Mobile player detected, opinion ignored.
Some comments are defo gonna say you're playing wrong because of the controller. Don't listen to them gang... it plays just as ass on keyboard and mouse LMAO
@@SendoDX js look at the reply above you bro, mofo didn’t even see that I’ve tried 2 types🙏
@@SendoDX I'm a controller player. I wouldn't hesitate to say that keyboard and mouse is actually worse for most gamemodes, honestly. The exception? Ringslinger games.
@@tfy2238 Holy fuck I called it so heavy. Couldn't even finish typing my comment before you got the reply LMAOO
Honestly, most of the love comes from mods. I love how the game controls. I recommend playing on manual/strafe on keyboard and also having autobrake on. The game itself is great but kind of limitting on what it has in vanilla. The modded characters, modded stages and addons which change how characters behave are what allow this game to be pushed to its full potential. I recommend watching speedruns of the game whether it be modded or vanilla. You can also play online since it's a fun experience to share with others. Also, about air movemet, the game gives you a lot of freedom with it. You're able to increase and decrease your speed in the air by continuing to hold forward or holding the opposite direction. The thok is moreso used for speeding through platforming/skipping over it rather than a correction as you stated in the video. It's moreso just a misconception for newer players, whoch includes me when I started the game, to use it as a platform corrector. Im sure you'll come to like SRB2. In terms of vanilla, I understand your gripes and having criticisms are perfecty fine
Change jump and spin to your mouse