People think you can find EVERYTHING on the internet, and these videos are a good reminder that someone like Dale has to find interesting tidbits and bring them to the internet one by one. Also those aluminum parts look so well made for something as disposable as a grenade...
@@DaletheStgwDude No, thank you for digging up the information and making it accessible. In the USA there's a distinct lack of information about these extremely interesting rifles and the culture around them. The rifle grenades are a fascinating piece of history, and you can't help but factor in the Swiss culture and military situation when you think about these odd small arms developments. And the amount of effort that went into producing the grenades... it's like the Swiss just can't help but do their very best. It's inspiring in a way.
@@DaletheStgwDude I think part of the reason I'm so fascinated with what you're documenting and preserving is the fact that when this era in military history comes up, the focus is usually on the USA/NATO and the Soviets as superpowers. It's refreshing to learn about little Switzerland, who had such a different situation and culture. And despite being so small, the development and engineering that went into their equipment, tactics, and strategy is just fascinating. The Swiss weren't in the same "race" that most of the world was engaging in at the time.
I find swiss development of such a huge rifle grenades astonishing. Knowing that the stg 57 was developed as strong and heavy as it is just to be able to handle these carots, i wander if the Panzerfaust would be a better idea. It sure is if you consider the cost but probably they maximized the amount of carrots a soldier coud carry vs the number of panzerfausts.
I'm so sad you limit yourself only to the Swiss carrots and STG57. Your style, presentation and eye for detail is magnificent. My compliments! What I wouldn't give for your opinion on Belgian army equipment/weaponry!
@@DaletheStgwDude Talking about lesser know firearms seems like a good thing to do. For all the videos you have published, I have learned things that were simply gaps of knowledge otherwise I wouldn't come across.
@@DaletheStgwDude Your "Chapter 2: Technical Desc. and Evol." and any patent/trial info regarding minimum arming distances/rocket motor design. Specifically, I'm interested in the safety factors of the arming devices for the grenades. A lot of times these designs don't behave as intended in the real world and I'd like to understand what drove the design and what compromises were made.
@@DaletheStgwDude Additionally, I just want to express my appreciation for what you're doing. There are so many examples of engineers and design teams working on something that ends up being forgotten. P.S. Your presentation on the uniform design reminded me of the German Koppelhaken. Trying to find information on why they designed uniforms like this and how soldiers viewed it in battle is difficult to come by. Just like rifle grenades, it seems to be an evolutionary dead end for equipment design.
an interesting marking i noticed on a ug 58 i have. that when you unscrew the fins 1/3rd of the way it exposed some markings that read: a circled T , "M94" and a circle with 3 lines pointing inwards. i am curious if others in your colection have that marking aswell?
Yes all tubes are marked, these varied as time went on. - the circle with three inward lines is the seal test proof mark - M94 is the metal supplier and material batch code - circled T is likely the machining/finishing subcontractor, don’t know which company exactly. Some include Emil Leibundgut AG, Hispano Suiza etc.
@@DaletheStgwDude You glossed over that pretty quick... I'm going to take a moment to let it sink in that you designed, drew, and had machined those tools for the sake of your interest in these grenades.
Can you give a bit more information on the tools you are using? Are those original? And is the assembly the same for the UG as for the real deal? Was this done in the factory or on a Bat or even Kp level to have fast turnaround times for the UG?
Des vidéos très instructives, que j'aime toujours regarder =) tu es mon youtubeur préféré ! Que se passerait-il si un UG (déjà tiré) avec une charge propulsive supplémentaire (dernière version, avec un col doré) pouvait facilement être utilisé avec le chargeur blanc et une cartouche propulsive 44 avec le Fass. 57 est viré ? Cordialement, un collectionneur TO61 de 31 ans de la région de Biel/Bienne. Je serais très heureux d'entrer en contact! Beste Grüsse Dave
Salut Dave, merci pour ton commentaire chaleureux et content que tu apprécies le contenu! Historiquement, il était interdit de tirer une grenade d'exercice à chg prop add une deuxième fois. Les raisons: - La présence d'imbrûlés dans la chambre de combustion du moteur-fusée (risque de blessure) - Impossibilité de contrôler si la grenade d'exerice a en effet été tiré ou non (risque de coup court, notamment pour le tir par dessus la troupe) - Le désir de conserver une traçabilité du nombre de coups, essentiel pour une révision + recharge du tube-propulseur (max. 4 fois en chg prop add) - Impossibilité de contrôler l'état de la soupape de sécurité en cas de surpression (risque d'éclatement ou de coup court) En revanche, il est pratique d'utiliser ces gren ex 58 F av chg prop add si on procède à un contrôle méticuleux des pièces (comme démontré), résultat comme suit: th-cam.com/video/J646gZ56wQ4/w-d-xo.html. Dans ce cas, il faut s'attendre à une performance similaire à celle au modèle sans charge prop add.
People think you can find EVERYTHING on the internet, and these videos are a good reminder that someone like Dale has to find interesting tidbits and bring them to the internet one by one.
Also those aluminum parts look so well made for something as disposable as a grenade...
@@DaletheStgwDude No, thank you for digging up the information and making it accessible. In the USA there's a distinct lack of information about these extremely interesting rifles and the culture around them. The rifle grenades are a fascinating piece of history, and you can't help but factor in the Swiss culture and military situation when you think about these odd small arms developments.
And the amount of effort that went into producing the grenades... it's like the Swiss just can't help but do their very best. It's inspiring in a way.
@@DaletheStgwDude I think part of the reason I'm so fascinated with what you're documenting and preserving is the fact that when this era in military history comes up, the focus is usually on the USA/NATO and the Soviets as superpowers.
It's refreshing to learn about little Switzerland, who had such a different situation and culture. And despite being so small, the development and engineering that went into their equipment, tactics, and strategy is just fascinating. The Swiss weren't in the same "race" that most of the world was engaging in at the time.
Ah! So that's how you keep the Angry Flying Carrots happy! Loved the 'pop!' of the seal test.
Great job on the video. Assembling a carrot is far more involved than I had assumed.
That is some very fine machining work.
I find swiss development of such a huge rifle grenades astonishing. Knowing that the stg 57 was developed as strong and heavy as it is just to be able to handle these carots, i wander if the Panzerfaust would be a better idea. It sure is if you consider the cost but probably they maximized the amount of carrots a soldier coud carry vs the number of panzerfausts.
Alternate title "Will it Carrot?"
I'm so sad you limit yourself only to the Swiss carrots and STG57. Your style, presentation and eye for detail is magnificent. My compliments!
What I wouldn't give for your opinion on Belgian army equipment/weaponry!
@@DaletheStgwDude Talking about lesser know firearms seems like a good thing to do. For all the videos you have published, I have learned things that were simply gaps of knowledge otherwise I wouldn't come across.
I feel like "explodey carrot" would be a great name for these.
Also, 2:29:
_nice_
Thanks. Video is great and I love the flying carrots.
the mighty carrot if doom
Very cool,and very interesting ! Thanks for sharing your expert knowledge :)
Would you be willing to share your presentation and sources? I find the engineering fascinating.
@@DaletheStgwDude Your "Chapter 2: Technical Desc. and Evol." and any patent/trial info regarding minimum arming distances/rocket motor design. Specifically, I'm interested in the safety factors of the arming devices for the grenades. A lot of times these designs don't behave as intended in the real world and I'd like to understand what drove the design and what compromises were made.
@@DaletheStgwDude Additionally, I just want to express my appreciation for what you're doing. There are so many examples of engineers and design teams working on something that ends up being forgotten. P.S.
Your presentation on the uniform design reminded me of the German Koppelhaken. Trying to find information on why they designed uniforms like this and how soldiers viewed it in battle is difficult to come by. Just like rifle grenades, it seems to be an evolutionary dead end for equipment design.
Great video! Thanks!
an interesting marking i noticed on a ug 58 i have. that when you unscrew the fins 1/3rd of the way it exposed some markings that read: a circled T , "M94" and a circle with 3 lines pointing inwards.
i am curious if others in your colection have that marking aswell?
Yes all tubes are marked, these varied as time went on.
- the circle with three inward lines is the seal test proof mark
- M94 is the metal supplier and material batch code
- circled T is likely the machining/finishing subcontractor, don’t know which company exactly. Some include Emil Leibundgut AG, Hispano Suiza etc.
@@DaletheStgwDude thanks a lot for the info.
Can these be used on 22mm NATO rifle grenade launchers?
They probably just shoot once than direct to scrap yard.
Excellent video. rifle grenades are something that don't get enough appreciation IMO. How did you manage to get all the hand tools? Thats amazing
@@DaletheStgwDude They looks great! I totally accepted them as original without a second thought.
@@DaletheStgwDude You glossed over that pretty quick... I'm going to take a moment to let it sink in that you designed, drew, and had machined those tools for the sake of your interest in these grenades.
Can you give a bit more information on the tools you are using? Are those original? And is the assembly the same for the UG as for the real deal? Was this done in the factory or on a Bat or even Kp level to have fast turnaround times for the UG?
@@DaletheStgwDude Thanks! Love your content and knowledge by the way!
Des vidéos très instructives, que j'aime toujours regarder =) tu es mon youtubeur préféré ! Que se passerait-il si un UG (déjà tiré) avec une charge propulsive supplémentaire (dernière version, avec un col doré) pouvait facilement être utilisé avec le chargeur blanc et une cartouche propulsive 44 avec le Fass. 57 est viré ? Cordialement, un collectionneur TO61 de 31 ans de la région de Biel/Bienne. Je serais très heureux d'entrer en contact! Beste Grüsse Dave
Salut Dave, merci pour ton commentaire chaleureux et content que tu apprécies le contenu!
Historiquement, il était interdit de tirer une grenade d'exercice à chg prop add une deuxième fois. Les raisons:
- La présence d'imbrûlés dans la chambre de combustion du moteur-fusée (risque de blessure)
- Impossibilité de contrôler si la grenade d'exerice a en effet été tiré ou non (risque de coup court, notamment pour le tir par dessus la troupe)
- Le désir de conserver une traçabilité du nombre de coups, essentiel pour une révision + recharge du tube-propulseur (max. 4 fois en chg prop add)
- Impossibilité de contrôler l'état de la soupape de sécurité en cas de surpression (risque d'éclatement ou de coup court)
En revanche, il est pratique d'utiliser ces gren ex 58 F av chg prop add si on procède à un contrôle méticuleux des pièces (comme démontré), résultat comme suit: th-cam.com/video/J646gZ56wQ4/w-d-xo.html. Dans ce cas, il faut s'attendre à une performance similaire à celle au modèle sans charge prop add.
How the hell did you get these tools 🤣
@@DaletheStgwDude ahhh, je pensais que tu avais mis la main sur de l’outillage original!
C'est du gâteau (du gâteau aux carottes bien sûr)
Учебная винтовочная граната...С меня лайк!
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