The Return Of An Iconic Chronograph - New Breguet Type XX Flyback
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In this video, we take a detailed look at Breguet’s substantially updated Type XX Flyback Chronograph, an intriguing heritage-inspired model backed by impressive military history. What do you guys think of the Type XX?
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Went to Patek Philippe Museum when in Geneva for Watches and Wonders this past April, and the private tour guide might have talked about Breguet just as much as PP. Really cool how much respect exists between these incredibly high horology houses.
I like that Breguet released this two models, with my preference going to the military version! Great video...
Hi Teddy - I left the following comment with the IDGuy review of this watch - I now own one of these new Breguet Type XX Civilian Chronographs. It has everything I was looking for - 60 hr power so I am not always winding it - 5Hz (it keeps PERFECT time) - sapphire back (if I am going to pay big $'s, then I want to see the movement) - 100m water resistance (I don't want to have to worry/think about it when I am around water) - a minute sub dial I can easily see - and a plain numbered bezel that is not a tachymeter so I can time one thing with the bezel and another with the stop watch function. I had never used a flyback before - it is fantastic, and now I will never buy another chronograph without it. Please let me know of another watch that has all these features.
Now about the date. Please note that the date numbers are 2/3 - 3/4 the size of the hour numbers. After a brief time the date seems to melt into the background, and I don't even notice it's there. Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
A G-shock has all those features and then some
Double the price of the last XX with half the watch ... Movement seems great but everything else is a huge miss, even the finishing isnt up to much in comparison to its predecessor
Agree 100%. With the exception of the new movement, the rest is just a complete miss, particularly relative to OnlyWatch Type 20s
They are wonderful. XX is on my list.
Breguet's heritage and legacy are undisputed. These releases are a testimony to their engineering prowess and rich culture.
Exquisite craftsmanship let down by the date positioning, the choice of fonts -- too many different font types which show a lack of consistency in terms of visual appearance, the slight trapezoidal date window, which pushed Breguet for some reason to make the second (date) figure larger than the first. And I also have to mention the positioning if the "Swiss Made"... I'd really like to learn the reasoning of why it was placed here. This makes for a really busy dial that contrasts negatively to the build quality of these watches.
I think that the Longines Big Eye is a much better execution in terms of visual appearance than both these watches.
@8rick1ane No, you're not, it is :)
The Breguet Type xx Aeronaval 39mm no date is one of the most iconic chronographs ever made. These new ones are horrendous and not to mention the xx Aeronaval are like 7k and are definitely legendary with a legendary Lemania movement
I like both but prefer the older ones as well. The new ones seem to pay homage to the Longines Chrono with the big-eye subdial.
I have the 3820 Transatlantique and agree the older version looks nicer.
@@skaz1504 That terrible date window and horrible faux patina just looks so bad. I'm so tired of nice vintage inspired pieces getting ruined by faux patina. I'm just over it the hands look like they been dipped in mustard...Terrible
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 I see your point and to an extent agree, but it is an unfortunate price I'm willing to pay for an otherwise, in my opinion, just about perfect chronograph.
@@skaz1504 Well if you get it enjoy it 😉I just think that price tag should be alot lower aswell. 17k is alot of cabbage
Hey teddy! First of all I appreciate all of your effort in bringing such quality videos. Truly love your content. Can you suggest me some watches for engagement and wedding day? I love very minimal designs. My budget is somewhere between 1-2K.
Longines or Nomos buddy
Throwing in Tissot, Certina & Union Glashütte for around 1-2k, but you can’t go wrong with Longines & Nomos. Junghans with Max Bill?
Please correct me if I'm mistaken, didn't Type XX sell for around 9500 EUR before 2020? And the older version didn't have a jumping minute register for the chronograph. Neither does this one apparently.
Did you ever find out why
I love their watches. Beautiful.
What's not to love . I'll be wanting the green one but mostly being happy for the people who can afford them lol . Very cool on both of these and soo much fun to get a good look at as well as the expert run down !
the date.. :) but agree they are lovely
Just bought the military (green one) pretty much on impulse. It's a beautiful watch and must be seen in the "flesh" to truly appreciate.
Outstanding video
These are huge let down for me. Feel like the date window placement is a miss and sure some nice upgrades but it's also twice the price of the original. I get it's Breguet who IMO is highly underrated but still 18K MSRP??? that's alot.
There needs to be more chronographs with rotating timing bezels.
Yes please. I'm specifically looking for this - is insanely useful for timing "nested" intervals.
Heuer Autavia. Very affordable on the secondary market. Large though.
Check out the Sinn 103 or the Fortis B-42
There is no mention of MSRP..... so....I guess I 😊can't afford one😢
This is a spot-on and timely video, many thanks. Long awaited by many, some fans though were already familiar with the design of these two given the presentation of the Breguet One Watch 2019 and the One Watch 2021. The therefore not-so-fresh design is less triumphant than the previous Type XX, given their retro approach and the fact that Longines with their Big Eye sell a very similar take. Owners of the previous Type XX will miss the date window at 6 o’clock and the chronograph’s large minute hand (3810) which made the previous iteration stand out among its competitors. So the new movement is a huge and positive surprise. But whether there is a market for the new Type 20/ Type XX given the price tag of A$26k, has to be seen.
I am proud of my Longines Bigeye!
A new version with in house movement, two sub dials, rotating bezel, quick release of the strap and no date was the perfect evolution of an icon.
I own a Breguet Type XX Transatlantique ref 3820 from 2004. Which I acquired in 2009 in mint condition and full set. I love the fact it’s not so common, looks great and runs well. I always get compliments when I wear it.
Great review. Can you clarify if the back is snap-on or screwed?
Is a quick release
When I saw these yesterday on Hodinkee I was hoping to see a review, enter Teddy✊🏻✊🏻 The one with the fauxtina does seem to be the most beautiful. Despite the date
Hallo Teddy, you are absolutely right, Breguet is much overlooked, I would compare that with old money versus new money. I love this brand, for all the reasons you mentioned. It is a difference between going with the trend and going with a classic. I just got an antique Breguet and it is really beautiful. Thank you for this video snd as always love from Switzerland 🇨🇭
I’m not enamoured with these if I’m being absolutely honest.
The Longines big eye is nicer and MUCH cheaper.
I prefer the type XXs from a few years back
Like the ridiculous new ingenieur, this is ridiculously overpriced in my opinion
Great looking watch! 😍
Excellent job, as usual, Teddy 🙂. 42mm is my MINIMUM watch size and my wrist size is identical to yours. As a retired F-16 Fighter Pilot, I love these as much as I love the Breitling Super AVI's. Breguet finally came up with a refresh of the Type XX series. I loved the previous versions, but they were just too thick for me. I will buy the "civilian" version soon. Any suggestions from whom? I just like that iteration better.
Keep up the good work!!!
18k for a tool watch is too much!
Like 99.9999% of chronographs it's for admiring. Definitely not a tool watch.
I much prefer the military version. You are correct. Even though I can easily wear a 42mm, the last few years I've been attracted mostly to smaller cases. I think 39's are great in most instances for me.
I'm in love with the civilian version immediately! Tempting on saving and buying it...
Love your channel and all you do for the watch community ❤
But why not take the time to properly pronounce one of histories most important watch brands. Napoleon wore Breguet for christs sake. And King Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette, and Alexander I, tsar of Russia. And he created the very first wristwatch ever, produced in 1810 for Caroline Murat, Queen of Naples... Bri-Gay? Just no... Can't help but cringe at how you pronounce Breguet. It's Bree-Guht, with French enunciation. You roll the r. Just like Blancpain for example is not pronounced Blanc-Pain, but Blanc-Phah. Maybe these mispronounciations doesn't matter in the US, but if you walked into an exclusive AD with brands like AP, Blancpain, Breguet, Patek, VC exempli gratia the staff there would roll their eyes and honestly get annoyed 😂
Hey Teddy, love your reviews. What are your thoughts on Mr. jones watches?
Very nice review, as always. 42mm is just the size of a Speedmaster, only without the history of it. It would be nice to compare though how the pushers feel when operated. Also very interesting the rotating bezel.
The only thing that spoils it all is the price. 20k is just too freaking much. If one thinks that 15k for a Daytona is a lot then the speedy is definitely going to close any argument before it even starts
they couldn't slim down the watch given that it's a new in-house movement? i expected 12.5mm thick. Maybe they should have given JLC a call.
Put the date in 6 o clock position ., Look more balance .
lot of Longines BigEye vibe!
Breguet is the big brother of Longines in the Swatch Group, so it makes sense.
Breitling AVI Ref 765 too!
Type XX was never made by Breguet, it has nothing to do with their heritage. They were produced under contract by Mathey Tissot, so neither the design, nor manufacturing was done by Breguet
EBEL uses the same Lemania based movement on their 1911 Chronographs.
Hi Teddy,
If there any suggestion on automatic caliber watch, with complete arabic numbers face, and date function?
Thx
The Breguet is undeniably beautiful! However, it seems like Breguet is out of touch with the market. The case size is just too large, and the price is ridiculously inviting the gray market. As someone who appreciates the brand's rich legacy and owns Breguet watches, it's disheartening to see them struggle with product design and marketing. It's particularly surprising since they're part of the Swatch Group, a renowned company. Hopefully, Breguet can realign their approach soon and regain their footing in the industry.
I like these watches because i like BREGUET, their history, their knowledges . Reading the other comments, it seems that i am the only one to like BREGUET . I don't talk about the evolution of prices . BREGUET is in a world where you can create and start a company with a unique watch for 500 000 $ (Richard Mille) . BREGUET is underrated . Since 1775 there have designed so many new systems (complications) . I hope that the swatch group will made the maximum to promote BREGUET in the world of billionnaires.
What "other" comments did you find criticizing Breguet? Huge majority, including myself, love them.
Sorry to nit-pick, this doesn't represent my overall view of these watches, but aren't there some pretty obvious imperfections on the inside edge of the trailing side of the military version's 30 minute totalizer? 10:31
Quite a surprising lapse in quality.
Great looking watch for sure. The Breitling Classic AVI line looks a lot like this one. I think the Longines Bigeye also looks similar, but without the rotating bezel.
The Breitling AVI765 was from 1953, a whole 2 years before the Breguet! So you could say the Breguet looks a whole lot like the Breitling!!
Checked both watches out extensively, including the just released bracelet models as well. Here are some of my observations:
1) The new bracelet is amazing. Matte brushed on the surface but polished inbetween the links to give you the ever so slight glimmer. Very tastefully done. Screw in links and solid feeling. Its a butterfly clasp but has around a 1.5mm micro adjustment on the fly on each side which is the same as the vacheron and patek system. Very well done.
2) The civilian model is probably the nicer one. The military one would have worked if that one didnt have the date. But since both have the date, the military one sort of doesnt make sense from a "concept" perspective. The civilian one you can sort of forgive having a date because....well its a civilian oriented model and civilians generally use the date...
3) The movement is probably a one of a kind. 5 patents and an integrated vertical clutch chronograph movement specialised to deal with flyback mechanisms, all beating at 10hz with a 60hr power reserve. This is a power house.
4) The fact that breguet has now 4 different Nato straps available for these watches also shows their commitment. Yes the straps are ridiculously priced but they are very comofortable.
What a missed opportunity
Plus who decided on the date!!&
Elegant
Two gorgeous watches. Well done Breguet.
Great stuff and love this watch. The price is a bit rough though; I got a full gold, including bracelet, 3820 for only a bit more. That movement does look amazing but is it worth $10+k when you can easily get a 38mm 38xx model for cheap?
The Breitling AVI chrono P51 mustang that they just released a couple weeks ago are nice and have similar look, dimensions and date window at 6 o clock
I really really hate that position of the date window 😒
Just make that only watch a production model and they would have had a home run
All the left side of the dial is a failure impacting the legibility of numbers (2 & 4) + date interferring. Antinomic for a pilote watch! Too big too and not fan of faux patina.
The previous type 20 is the one to get!
Sehr schöne sportliche Breguet Uhren! ❤😊❤
The movement is nice but the watch itself is so so, not for me definitely, but they do have the classics that o really like.
The dial doesn’t need the date…..it looks over crowded to me
Will there be a new type XXI and XXII?
Yes, where is a new XXII please ???????
Oh that date? What were they thinking! One thing - are the lugs with fixed bars for that QR system or are they conventional springbars?
Love your videos - is there any chance of doing a review on the new Longines Conquest 2023?
"Date window" is really ugly, very sorry Breguet... Make 39mm/no-date watches... Take "Longines Spirit Titanium" watches as an example of perfection in watch making & a kind of military esthetic... Omit that ugly date windows from your watches 🙈
Love the military green version. Ill wait for price to come down on grey market or pre-owned.
Breguet and Rolex owner here. I'm in the market for a factory-new chronograph, but I won't be buying this one. 1. Teddy, the name is Breguet, not Broogay (the eg element as in pronouncing egg). 2. The new 42mm size to too big for most tastes. 38-39mm is far more generally acceptable. This applies particularly to buyers of higher end makes like Breguet, which are chosen for taste, rather than look-at-me flashy inclinations. 3. $18,000 is too expensive for what it offers. 4. The power reserve is insufficient, compared to alternatives. 5. It's too thick at 14.1mm. 6. Only 100m water resistant. Conclusion...... Breguet have got this wrong, and as a dedicated fan of this wonderful company it saddens me. It also irritates the heck out of me to admit that the best alternative is the Daytona, but with so many 99.9% perfect copies of the Daytona out there, devaluing ownership of the real thing, that's not what I want.
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This isn't bad, but why would anyone want to spend almost $20k for it, when Type XX ref. 3800 are to be found second hand in impeccable condition with box and papers for $5-7k?
I HATE to be that guy, buuuut, as a career airman, the plural for aircraft is aircraft. There is no "s" ever. For example: "I am going to fly my aircraft today." Or, "The Air Force deployed several aircraft today"
3815, still my favorite
The military is the winner here. But come on, why why why the 430 date window? Also did this civilian or Longines Big Eye come first? Extremely similar.
The eternal question has finally been answered by Breguet itself!
Excelent video!! 💯🤩
I hate the 3 o'clock wheel that cuts into the hour numbers. I hate the ugly date window at 4:30. Love Breguet, but would never buy one of these. Love the older type 20's and 21's. Too large also. Looks a little cheap.
Such a fantastic watch, and I really appreciate the whole new movement. I feel this is a real Breguet now.
Oh man...take my money. I sorta wish it had Breguet hands, but I understand that they wouldn't make sense on this watch.
Who the hell taught you how to pronounce "Abraham".. WTF dude?
The military one looks very similar to my Hanhart 417es. 😂😂😂😉
Overpriced .
I have always consider type XX -XXI -XXII alongside with zenith and other high beats chronos above mainstream chronographs that people tend to overlooked and overhyped!
No need to time something in 1/10th of a second... Zenith should ditch that useless feature.
Nice. But I prefer the older type xxi. I just found it to be more elegant, more "Breguet..."
The older type XXI was a big beast of a watch though (42.5mm)
@@rey_s90 it was, and quite tall as well, especially with the domed crystal, but God help me, I love it. 😁😎
I love how they destroyed this iconic chrono with an effin date window at 4? Damn….
Unless money's no object and you REALLY love Breguet, it makes no sense to get this over a Breitling 765, which is what inspired the Type XX.
$18,000?? What are they smoking????
The military model is good ,but the civil one is hit and miss .The case is very good ,but the dial is too busy and not fit for military purpose. And something else what is very important for me .All my respects for the great history of Brequet, but this watch they actually stole after Second world war from the Germans. Particularly Hanhart .And i always wil choose the original .Even if its not on par now with the quality of Brequet.
Waw so fast propose a review! Good breguet contact 😊, this watch very iconic but again 42mm.... if it is like 3810 and 3817 it will be again too big for most of wirst, price grow up again 😮 also
I can’t be objective. I love the brand.
Quite disappointing on a few levels as much as I love to see Breguet embraced by more enthusiasts/collectors. Would prefer a thinner and more symmetrical watch without the date, and a smaller case size at 40-41mm, with a 20mm lug width. I do think 21mm lug width would make the feel a bit bigger on the wrist, together with a wider strap etc. and what’s with the “Swiss made” under the date window? Looks really silly. The movement and case finishing looks great but can’t help but think this is another missed opportunity again by Breguet.
Basically, I like both models, also because of their clarity and calmness. But the 15-minute counter is really stupid for me. Has anyone ever tried to read the stopped time with both totalizers. Sure, it can't hurt to get your brain cells going again, but I prefer to do that with other things. Did you think at Breguet that the civilian population has enough time for their hobby, because pilots would certainly not bother with such tittle stuff.
They did these right
Well, this new movement looks really nice but it needs time to prove that it is worthy and the 36000 frequency means frequent service, which is not going to be cheap to put it nicely and only Breguet can do the job. And money is not the main problem. Breguet are notoriously known for slow service. It takes months and months. Lemania 1350 on the other hand, is a very robust movement tested by time and spare parts are available if you get an old Ebel 1911 as a donor. Not every watchmaker can service Lemania 1350 these days but it is not a big problem.
I've always liked the Type XX/XXI. I aspire to own the 3810 Transatlantique. I'd much rather have one of them than the Daytona.
With that said, I'm not sure that I am excited for this release. A new movement is intriguing, but I don't think I could ever bring myself to pay 2-3 times the price of the one that I want for one that is new.
All they needed to do was update the bracelet, clasp and movement. The 3800s were nearly perfect from a design standpoint.
Proof everything only gets worse
$18,000? Nice watches. I think the GS 5 hz chronograph is a better deal, but Breguet is Breguet. I wouldn’t want to spend that much money when there are other competitors like Zenith and GS at 5hz Chronos substantially cheaper and really good watches.
That date window is unfortunate. Nice movement and the aesthetic excluding that window is great. Have to wear it in person but I'd bet 40mm would wear very strong, just as the older 38mm does.
These watches have very good appeal since it substantially is an uodate to the original Type 20 produced by Breguet for the French Air Force and French Naval Air Arm. The calibers are tasty.
That said, I find myself still preferring the Type XXI 3817 over these 2 wonderful releases.
#508👍👏👏🎉Breguet makes my favorite dress watch for about the same $ but much more decorated!❤
Love the date window ❤️😍👌
I think I prefer the bi-compax 20 over the XX.
They could have moved that date window on that one though, I hate the date at 4pm. It would stop me buying one I think it looks that bad!
Issue is it s quite expensive and quite thick.
Type 20 military 39mm no date and will be mine…..
Now i am undecided i like the speedmaster racing but i saw this i like the xx with the aviation heritage
Me too...but I tried the speed master racing on and the 5 Bar WR is a serious let down, no screw down crown. More like 3 bar. Just lazy on Omegas part to not have 10 Bar w screw down crowns.
Can't stand the green markers and the unnecessary date window. The Only Watch version had it right.
Wow they fixed these
Now all I need is to win a lottery
Very glad I got the now dicontinued type XXi instead.
Wow is a nice video!
wonderful watch, but that date placement!