6:10 Ok so here’s the thing about mii bralwer final smash (taking kits into consideration) It straight up leads into a 0td FS into thrupper or fmp (depending on stage) will just kill from 0 On top of that, brawler has brawler nair, so he can just nair, land on shield, then fs and kill
I don't think that analogy works. If we interpret what he said at face value it would be more like a gun that doesn't shoot because it jams all the time.
How is Inkling Final Smash that low? It's literally the same final smash as Samus but you can angle it and you are completely in control of Inkling during the Final Smash. Also you can combo Final Smash into any Smash Attack
@@Creepo_J only if the Inkling player moves the final smash in the oppisite direction as your SDI, and the final smash can just move in your SDI direction to keep you in anyways
An interesting way to think of this tier list is that the characters can't use their neutral b move while they have it, arguably moving characters like Steve down the list
I agree with M2K on the Zelda take. Sure her FS is broken, but Zelda is just not a good character in general. Thats why the representation is so low for her.
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Peach FS in Brawl not put you to sleep in the air? I think you could just ignore the entire thing by staying in the air or grabbing the ledge. The peaches were also a bunch of small ones instead of 3 big ones, so it took her longer to heal. And since FS used to be ranked on free-for-alls, it was easy for one opponent to survive, heal themselves and ruin the entire thing for Peach. But of course they didn’t think much of this, it was ranked low because it looked dumb.
I rember villagers being very strong killing around 20-30% but the range is grass without the gr. I also main mii sword. His is high D teir. Hungrybox wasnt havin it this time yo
28:40 Bayo's should be S tier. Bayonetta has guaranteed kill setups with meter and smash ball that can kill you off top (which aren't DI or SDI-able) because the final smash does not reset the opponents position to center stage. Also mentioned by a chatter, if you mash special and attack you do extra damage.
Remember what they said at the start. The best part about a tier list is pretending to know what you’re talking about. Even they aren’t taking it seriously.
@@Mike-di3mo Haha yeah Jigglypuff is one of those that can avoid it easier, but if you get hit once there's no way you're surviving unless you're at a very low percentage. As Ness you just gotta pick the right side, I kill like 90% of the time. I'm a Ness main.
Does hbox not know you can 0 to death with Bayo FS by up throw, double up b, jump to double dabk to up air. Also you can jab 1 2 jab 1 2 jab 1 2 up smash.
@@veggie4876I mean there list is alright but there are definitely quiet a few issues. 1) M2K said "anyone with a combo into Final Smash is broken" but then left a bunch of characters with really strong and easy Final Smash combos in lower tiers. Kirby has F-Throw -> final Smash, as does Falcon, and Yink. Also Ridley has back throw -> Final Smash. All of these confirms can kill at or around 30%. 2) G&W and puffs Final smashes while not great actually can do work, you just have to use then in unorthodox ways. For Puff you essentially need to use it as a guaranteed edge-gaurd on a good chunk of the cast. Knock someone off-stage and then use it with Puff placed right at ledge. If your opponent can't stall off-stage for the entire duration of the move, they're just dead. And for G&W's instead of running all the way off-stage after you gean someone, you can aim G&W into a platform or the stage itself and he'll go through but the opponent in your hand doesn't and they get thrown off. It does like 40% and kills ~90. While that isn't even close to early enough for Final Smash standards, it's definitely better than Sonic. 3) Sonic. I watched the Rockman set. Sure Sonix used the Final Smash to kill him, but he killed him at like 140% and 120%. Does that really mean the final Smash is good? It's just far to weak for the class of move it is. And Sonix got kills because people weren't familiar with it. You just take one hit and use the momentum to get to the top of the screen and stay there. If you can't stall, a well-Timed air-dodge can get you back down through the volley of speeding sonic.
@@veggie4876And I guess you can't combo into Marcina's Final Smash, but it's unreactable, goes super far and fast and kills at literal 0%. Easy A tier. Borderline S tier.
Alpharad's list was very amateur. The placement of final smashes with activation hitboxes was all over the place. They placed a lot of them low because you can react to them, but didn't try at all to find combos for those.
@@bulb9970 They weren't looking for if you combo any move into Final Smash, but how easy it is. Kirby Dark Pit and Ridley were rate high since they had a simple grab confirm that could combo into the Final Smash at even at high enough percents to where the Final Smash could kill. Put that up against Fox for instance. Sure, he probably has Nair -> Final Smash or Dair -> Final Smash, but what if your opponent just puts up their shield? None if his grabs will combo into it, and if he just let it rip you can roll out of the way on reaction. Staying in shield is clear counterplay. You don't have options like that against Kirby or Dark Pit.
Hungrybox is SO WRONG about Inkling, their final smash is incredible and easy to aim. you can even get free ink on the opponent and combo them in it it
docs.google.com/document/d/14_OH8c3Ru3Tg-DdJ75ALvwUnyK_fi7zSeEDN8hcAchQ/edit if you want to help me! Please read this when you see this ty :)
Mew2King: "I am no expert on Final smashes" Also Mew2King: talks for 40 min about final smashes as an expert
To him expert means he knows every flowchart at every percent for at least 50 of em
@@jackmccoy6800 he uses the term expert as an absolute
There is nothing in the game MewTwoKing isn't an expert at
I know I'm a bit late to the party, but m2k is probably just repeating information from others; likely meaning he views those people as the experts.
A real one
jason went from “idk” to VERY passionate and gave me whiplash
Hbox can not handle the optimal Tier List by Jason
This is definitely one of the most entertaining duos, definitely not the duo I trust for a Final Smash tier list though. Great video nonetheless
I can't believe this is the final smash tier list 🥲
He meant "Final Smash" tier list dude
@@PK_SNESShe's joking
This banter feels just as dysfunctional as the melee coinbox commentary with Mang0 and Hbox
I cannot believe that they had to argue so much about Zelda lol. Her final smash is crazy broken
I am just watching for the banter between hbox and m2k 😂
Mew2King being compared to a Smiling Friends character was hilarious
Great video! Love to see you collab with Hbox!
6:10 Ok so here’s the thing about mii bralwer final smash (taking kits into consideration)
It straight up leads into a 0td
FS into thrupper or fmp (depending on stage) will just kill from 0
On top of that, brawler has brawler nair, so he can just nair, land on shield, then fs and kill
16:25 M2K got traumatised by Nairo's toxicganon
Y'all ultimate kids need to show some respect to the king of mews.
What do you mean "kids" most ultimate players go for teens.
6:03 "Mii brawler is not good because his final smash can miss."
So If someone shoots a gun and misses, it's no longer deadly because it missed once.
I don't think that analogy works. If we interpret what he said at face value it would be more like a gun that doesn't shoot because it jams all the time.
9:55
How is Inkling Final Smash that low? It's literally the same final smash as Samus but you can angle it and you are completely in control of Inkling during the Final Smash.
Also you can combo Final Smash into any Smash Attack
As you can see from the video, these guys were not super thoughtful about making this. 😂
You can sdi out of it and can be avoided
Samus's is a bigger laser and harder to get out of
@@Creepo_J ya cant SDI out of it
@@poke4074
You can get out of it
@@Creepo_J only if the Inkling player moves the final smash in the oppisite direction as your SDI, and the final smash can just move in your SDI direction to keep you in anyways
zelda gets her own tier, next question
Good thing I exited full screen at the end 'cause that shutting down screen would've gotten me lol
An interesting way to think of this tier list is that the characters can't use their neutral b move while they have it, arguably moving characters like Steve down the list
Shulk gets nerfed a ton. He can kinda switch MA with dair landing lag though
@@benross9174 that's a way better example
I agree with M2K on the Zelda take. Sure her FS is broken, but Zelda is just not a good character in general. Thats why the representation is so low for her.
Awesome collab! Its fun to see you and Hbox working together =3
Meta knight evades Zelda's final.
I love the more frequent collabs with m2k. Jason is a legend
Edit: Oh this isnt hboxs channel. My comment still stands.
Hbox and m2k is a good combo.
LETS GO M2K
How the hell is Mii Swordfighter's that low?!
It's funny cuz I was obsessed with brawl final smash countdown videos back before smash 4 and they all had peach's as the #1 worst
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Peach FS in Brawl not put you to sleep in the air? I think you could just ignore the entire thing by staying in the air or grabbing the ledge. The peaches were also a bunch of small ones instead of 3 big ones, so it took her longer to heal. And since FS used to be ranked on free-for-alls, it was easy for one opponent to survive, heal themselves and ruin the entire thing for Peach.
But of course they didn’t think much of this, it was ranked low because it looked dumb.
I rember villagers being very strong killing around 20-30% but the range is grass without the gr.
I also main mii sword. His is high D teir.
Hungrybox wasnt havin it this time yo
Zelda's meter FS kills at 0 by stage spiking.
Love the video. Hope you are doing well M2K.
the crossover of the ages
28:40 Bayo's should be S tier. Bayonetta has guaranteed kill setups with meter and smash ball that can kill you off top (which aren't DI or SDI-able) because the final smash does not reset the opponents position to center stage. Also mentioned by a chatter, if you mash special and attack you do extra damage.
It took me a minute to realize that this is not a final Tier list for Smash, its a Final Smash Tier list .xD.
the shutting down at the end was wild
Nah puffs is usable, it's like C, sonics is literally unusable
You two are amazing to watch together always funny ❤
Remember what they said at the start. The best part about a tier list is pretending to know what you’re talking about. Even they aren’t taking it seriously.
19:13 I've never seen someone so horrified from a Final Smash
I like how they just give up 3/4s into the video
Woah This is very accurate tier list 😊
0:45 hello Inkling998
the only tier list that matters for this game 😌
This is insanely epic. Love the content.
Kirby uses his final smash!
Being modest LOL I’m guessing now that he knows more about final smashes than anyone has any business
Rob in the same tier as sonic??? Literally just go to the side of the stage & your opponent can’t do anything
I gotta disagree with Jason here, Mii Brawler final smash is cracked
And if they don't die from it, you can thrust uppercut for the KO
what is so dumb, relavant informtion is not yapping
W VIDEO, LETS GO M2K AND HBOX
Watch the video in 2x speed and see if you notice anything
Down throw into final smash is true for Isabelle/villager. Kills at 0 if you grab them near ledge
Pac Man in B tier!? It is seriously S tier, maybe even God Tier.
at 00:27 someone say fuck of the mother of bronol... that's not respectfull for him
Ness is too low. Covers a lot and you can control it...
Yeah but it kinda easy to avoid most of the stairz
@@Mike-di3mo Hell no. Near impossible unless you're characters like Steve or Sora etc.
@@Nekotaku_TV ive seen so many people dodge MOST of the stars and maybe get hit like once or twice, I also play puff is that's definitely a factor.
@@Mike-di3mo Haha yeah Jigglypuff is one of those that can avoid it easier, but if you get hit once there's no way you're surviving unless you're at a very low percentage. As Ness you just gotta pick the right side, I kill like 90% of the time. I'm a Ness main.
@@Nekotaku_TVoh oki
Sonic should be D Tier. His Final Smash struggles to kill so much, even with the Smash Ball version.
The thing is you can easily camp it's unusable
Does hbox not know you can 0 to death with Bayo FS by up throw, double up b, jump to double dabk to up air.
Also you can jab 1 2 jab 1 2 jab 1 2 up smash.
For anyone who wants the actual authority on final smashes, check out Alpharad's list.
You say this like they didn't make a solid list
@@veggie4876I mean there list is alright but there are definitely quiet a few issues.
1) M2K said "anyone with a combo into Final Smash is broken" but then left a bunch of characters with really strong and easy Final Smash combos in lower tiers. Kirby has F-Throw -> final Smash, as does Falcon, and Yink. Also Ridley has back throw -> Final Smash. All of these confirms can kill at or around 30%.
2) G&W and puffs Final smashes while not great actually can do work, you just have to use then in unorthodox ways. For Puff you essentially need to use it as a guaranteed edge-gaurd on a good chunk of the cast. Knock someone off-stage and then use it with Puff placed right at ledge. If your opponent can't stall off-stage for the entire duration of the move, they're just dead.
And for G&W's instead of running all the way off-stage after you gean someone, you can aim G&W into a platform or the stage itself and he'll go through but the opponent in your hand doesn't and they get thrown off. It does like 40% and kills ~90. While that isn't even close to early enough for Final Smash standards, it's definitely better than Sonic.
3) Sonic. I watched the Rockman set. Sure Sonix used the Final Smash to kill him, but he killed him at like 140% and 120%. Does that really mean the final Smash is good? It's just far to weak for the class of move it is. And Sonix got kills because people weren't familiar with it. You just take one hit and use the momentum to get to the top of the screen and stay there. If you can't stall, a well-Timed air-dodge can get you back down through the volley of speeding sonic.
@@veggie4876And I guess you can't combo into Marcina's Final Smash, but it's unreactable, goes super far and fast and kills at literal 0%. Easy A tier. Borderline S tier.
Alpharad's list was very amateur. The placement of final smashes with activation hitboxes was all over the place. They placed a lot of them low because you can react to them, but didn't try at all to find combos for those.
@@bulb9970 They weren't looking for if you combo any move into Final Smash, but how easy it is. Kirby Dark Pit and Ridley were rate high since they had a simple grab confirm that could combo into the Final Smash at even at high enough percents to where the Final Smash could kill.
Put that up against Fox for instance. Sure, he probably has Nair -> Final Smash or Dair -> Final Smash, but what if your opponent just puts up their shield? None if his grabs will combo into it, and if he just let it rip you can roll out of the way on reaction. Staying in shield is clear counterplay.
You don't have options like that against Kirby or Dark Pit.
#freehax
28:00
Wow only 1/4 in and I want a M2K tier list lol I love me some HBox but he is controlling the whole thing and doesn’t seem to know as much
LOL THAT SMILING FRIEND COMMENT HAHAH
Alt title: “Rate the super but we only rank its kill power instead of its presentation!”
bro Belmont FS on meter kills at 30 on the ground, and can combo from down b. This BS is Brawler tier
you should play ssf2 again
Hungrybox is SO WRONG about Inkling, their final smash is incredible and easy to aim. you can even get free ink on the opponent and combo them in it it
wtf are roy and kaz doing that high theirs are mid as
m2k is like an 11 year old
this is the worst tierlist I’ve ever seen
I love it
This is hard to watch
Top Tier Ganon ??????
He has a really good final smash.
Lmao this video is funny 😂
Twitch chat opinion is completely trash lmao
lol m2k
The
Lol m2k
All final smashes are F