That bit at the end wasn't just a shot at airtime thrills. Obviously he was a big anti skyrusher but there are a lot of other content creators that have been way more ridiculous with their rants about it
Ftr my pain tolerance is relatively high, but for some reason when I rode skyrush it was unreasonably rough, which probably added to the lapbar being pushed down even more, but the point still stands that it actually put me in an absurd amount of pain. Def more than the average ride for sure, but it still goes to show that the restraints actually do cause unbearable pain on select rides
Something that enthusiasts don’t know about with B&M vest restraints is that there are multiple types of them. All the American B&Ms with vests have gen. 1 restraints but in 2018 B&M made gen. 2 vests which are actually amazing. Like I prefer them to clamshells in some situations.
Skyrush's restraints are, in fact, painful. I dont complain about restraints a lot, but all I could think about was being stapled the whole ride. I have really thick legs, so that may be why you dont feel pain while others do.
I had a couple semi painful rides until I figured out that if you slide forward in the seat a couple inches, it doesn’t really hurt at all. I also noticed that if you pull it down right to where it lightly touches your leg, then it won’t really clamp down as much. Idk I didn’t have a huge problem with that. The biggest issue is really just how far down your thigh it actually touch’s your leg which is why I suggest scooting forward a bit.
Agreed. I absolutely love Skyrush's layout, and the winged coaster train design which is in my opinion the best in the industry, but the restraints straight up damn near ruin the ride for me. I'll ride it 2 times with no lines tops before I begin to physically lose feeling in my legs and get legitimately painful pins and needles. One time at Hershey someone was having trouble fitting in the restraints at the station ahead of our train so we had to sit on the brake run for a little while and my legs got so numb I couldn't stand when we pulled into the station and had searing pain when I finally did get feeling back to them... That was my first and only ride that day. It still boggles my mind that Hershey and Intamin have stuck with those restraints. Hershey because they've been getting complaints since day 1 about them and haven't asked for them to be redesigned fully and Intamin because they installed them AGAIN on Flying Aces at Ferrari World despite getting complaints on Skyrush's design for almost 4 years. I think its the ever tightening hydraulic mechanism with the intense high g-force drops/layout combined with the lapbar wedge shaped design that really kills it tbh, if it had a different mechanism or a different design like the B&M or RMC lapbars it wouldn't nearly be that bad. Combined though it absolutely crushes your thighs.
@@Cmbgo98 Thank You!!! I am sorry this happened to you but glad someone else shares in my final brake run horror story. The ride broke down with us on the final break run and we were just SITTING THERE. People were like "pleeeease evacuate ussss".
The over the shoulder restraints really depend on your height. As someone who is 197 cm (6’5”) its pretty painful to have the restraints dig into my shoulders but a the end of the day the thrill of being able to ride the coaster is more important.
As someone who is 6’3”, I can second this! Over the shoulder restrains dig hard into my shoulders and even though I don’t have to worry about headbanging, I know my shoulders will be sore from the restraints the day after.
The new Intamin restraints (Taron, Velocicoaster, Konda) are simply amazing. The comfort and freedom you experience is simply unmatched. Not even by Mack restaints (Blue Fire, Helix), which Intamin ''borrowed'' the design from.
The one thing you have to remember with certain restraints like comfort collars and shin guards that seem unnecessary is that parks have to get the ride insured. Insurance companies tend to like the more restrictive restraints. It makes sense too. Lap Bars leave the ride ops more room fo error compared to OTSR's where you're aren't really ever going to get ejected.
Yeah afaik this is why Cedar Fair added seat belts to their B&Ms that originally opened without them. I hear it was an insurance issue, though I've never seen any primary sources for that.
The comfort collars don't actually restrain the riders at all though. In fact they frequently come undone during the ride and there are signs all over saying that may happen.
I think shin guards in theory are to prevent banging/entanglement/unforseen complications with legs that arise from heart-lined whip. I don't know that it's actually necessary but physics wise and looking at them that's what seems to be the intention
The single worst restraints I've experienced are on the Wonder Woman Golden Lasso Coaster. They're hard vest restraints like the comfort collars, but with less height on the torso. So if you have a longer than average torso (not larger around-- plenty of heavier guests have had no trouble), it forces you into a hunched position while digging into your collarbone. Like, my collarbone was legit bruised after a round with Wonder Woman.
Something that never gets talked about, those B&M vest restraints, they allow more people to ride, they are way more accommodating then the old style. I believe this is primarily why they exist, allow guests of larger sizes to ride, or ride in a more comfortable way. They are better overall for the general public / park operations.
What good is airtime if it freaking hurts. 😩 I love Steel Vengeance, but I'd be lying if I said those pops of airtime didn't destroy my thighs. Clamp shells are the best.
Coast rider at Knotts has actually painful shin guards. They added them after a kid climbed out and raised the minim height to 54" (tallest in the park.) It is a great little large wild mouse, but damn those shin guards make it so I dont fit in without a contortionist routine, and if you do fit normally those shin guards are taking you out when they get stapled to you and you have lots of lap bar room.
Someone in my band used to work on Skyrush. I asked him about it and he said that he can’t count the number of times per day people mention thigh pain. Thigh Crush is somewhat of an overused joke, but it’s true
Most of the Intamin's with the straps would be really uncomfortable with T-bars. Maverick and I305 have such violent transitions that you'd be slamming into your neighbor without those shoulder-guards. The only Intamin OTSRs I really thought actually hurt the ride were the ones on Ka. Maverick, I305, Cheetah Hunt, Storm Runner...I barely noticed them and even if they were were a little restrictive, it was such a minor concern compared to everything else great about the ride.
Maverick with the original hard OTSR was a one and done for me because of them. I didn't like having to ride defensively to avoid them hitting me in the shoulders, neck, or ears. The new restraints don't try to extract information or beat a confession out of me.
Outlaw Run's lap bar with shin guards, i hate them, as a person who is 6"2, it is very uncomfortable to have my legs be pushed back the entire ride. (I also didn't know about the first drop, I was in the back right seat)
That's awesome to know. The shingaurds are new to me, and Iron Gwazi has em. I rode it for the first time and they had issues getting everyone green. Got us locked in and we waited a solid 5 minutes or more before they finally dispatched us. Was pretty sure I was gonna have a GD panic attack I was so snug in that thing 😑
@@gawdzamn my favorite at the park was invadr because it delivered the most intensity and best airtime to me. B&M hypers dont do anything for me like apollo.
Bro I just found your channel today and I didnt know the rollercoaster community was this hardcore, let alone that there is a roller coaster community in the first place. Dope vid keep up the good work 👍
Can confirm, Velocicoaster's lap bar is one of my favorite restraints I've experienced. Not uncomfortable at all, open for airtime, and very secure. An Over-the-shoulder restraint like what's on Cheetah Hunt would *really* hurt the ride, interfering with the absolutely bonkers airtime and heavily dampening the Mosasaurus roll at the end. Something of note with Skyrush in particular - here's what might be happening (AKA the power of expectations). People online mention the uncomfortable restraints and how it's a very notable drawback to the ride. Then, people hear that and expect, "Oh, the restraints are uncomfortable." Then, for the entirety of the ride, they're not focusing on the g-forces or airtime, their attention is glued to how uncomfortable they are thanks to the restraints. This likely results in them enjoying the ride less because they spent the entire runtime of the ride paying attention to the restraint.
I love the B&M clamshells. The vests are meh. I like RMC’s restraints but they hurt my thighs a little Intamins are kinda hit or miss when it comes to good or bad
Intamin is usually a miss (hard otsr, thigh crush) or they hit it out of the ball park with the new lap bars and t bars, and idk how to place the soft otsrs Edit: having just rode i305 I can confirm that the soft straps are good restraints
@@soughtbug The soft are some of my favorite. They don't feel to restrictive. And they accomodate taller guests (like me). And they eliminate and headbanging
@@brady_06 interesting. I’ve heard from people like Chris from Airtime thrills that say the soft straps aren’t that good, however I haven’t been on a coaster that features them (altho that will hopefully change Friday when I get out to kings dominion)
I agree with the skyrush "rant" 100%. My favorite coaster is Merlins Mayhem at DW, and the restraints are pretty tight on your legs. You don't even notice it once you're going, though. The force on the first 85 degree bank is INSANE, lmao.
Thanks for the fire content. Recently got into coasters and your channel has been very informative and entertaining. Just returned from a DE trip where I visited SFGAd and Hersheypark for the first time. The only restraint issue I had was Wildcat's Revenge shin restraint. I agree that it seems utterly pointless. It was uncomfortable when first strapped in, but once the ride started I didn't notice it at all. As for Skyrush, not sure what the restraint fuss is all about. Based on thoosie comments I was expecting it to distract from the ride experience. Nope. No pain at all on my one ride last row, wing seat *shrug*
Some of my favorite restraints are the flying dutchman vests because it feels like you're gonna fall out lol and like it's not holding you in at all (although of course it is)
I feel like something that should probably be mentioned is that over the shoulder or vest restraints can be kinda good for big crowd pleaser coasters. A lot of people who aren't super avid coaster enthusiasts might prefer the more secure feeling that one gives over a lap bar, even though logically speaking, there's really not much difference between them in terms of safety.
I personally am not fond of the clamshell. It's purely psychological though, I feel like at least with a lap bar if it came undone for any reason I can hold onto it to stay in my seat, if a claim shell disengaged for whatever reason; especially for anything with staggered seating it seems like it can lurch so far forward that I'd be absolutely fucked. Maybe that's a good thing to add to the thrill, but it's terrifying. But I'm also one of those people who doesn't throw their hands in the air on a drop, and clinging to the restraint for dear life.
This is the first video I've watched from you... I'm impressed! This was genuinely enjoyable to watch, good work :) btw i dont like clamshells lol, i think - they clamped down pretty hard on my hip bones on fury and intimidator, but they didn't bother me at all on raging bull so im not sure whats going on there
im pretty mixed on RMC restraints. the shin guards really arent too bad but there are times when the restraints are kind of uncomfortable. TBH it might just be that RMCs are all super aggressive. I'd bet theyre perfectly fine on a family coaster that doesnt try to yeet you out of the seat every other second
HersheyPark a while ago upgraded SkyRush restraints so people can have a more comfortable experience during the ride. I’m going to HersheyPark this month and I can’t wait to experience the new restraints!!
I agree with what you said about Skyrush. The restraints didn’t hurt during the ride. When I got off…yeah, I felt it in my legs. But by the time I exited the ride, my legs were fine.
I'm just going to say this - the worst EVER restraints are the ones on old Arrow Mine Trains, because whoever designed those had a vendetta against tall people. 6' 5" and I had to take the walk of shame on Carolina Goldrusher (a ride that honestly could get away with lap belts) because the lap bar was actually crushing my legs.
I'm currently an OTSR person but I'm still only on like... 3 credits... so I've had one experience with lap bars - Wickerman. And to be fair, they are *fun.* Like, really fun. But I'll probably prefer lap bars to OTSRs once I'm no longer petrified of coasters.
Skyrush's restraint system wasn't painful for me - it was downright horrifying! I love putting my hands up when I ride, and mid-ride on this coaster I literally felt like I was going to be tossed out of my seat. The restraint did not feel secure on me.
personally my worst experience with a restraint, while the issue wasnt with the restraint itself but how it fit into the car, was on flight of fear where the shinguard absolutely squishes your right or left foot onto a bump in the car's floor depending on what side of the car you are on
Earlier this summer when I got a ride on Banshee, the restraints tightened so much that they were crushing my pelvis. It hurt to the point that it was hard to focus on the ride. I don’t know why in that one ride it was so bad, but it ruined it for me.
I love Giovanola lap bars. They are comfortable no matter how hard you staple yourself. If you put it on just right, it is airtime galore while still keeping you super safe. I also find the B&M OTSRs and vintage Schwarzkopf restraints comfortable as well. I like to try out a roller coaster that is even more forceful than 6 flags over Texas Titan and with comfortable restraints too even if it means going out of state.
The shin guards on rmcs are great because you can scoot forward and your shin keeps the restraint from coming down while the ride ops are checking restraints.
Other than not flying out of the ride, I barely noticed the restraint on velocicoaster! It was such an open feeling, giving a nice bit of space for the copious anounts of airtime in that ride. Nothing like getting whipped out of your seat and back in it on the mosasaurus roll 🤣🤣
I want to talk about Mack lap bars real quick. They are reasonably comfortable, but they always come down and staple you during the ride. Riding DC Rivals, I had to pull up the lap bar the whole time to not get stapled. You can still get some airtime after getting stapled but that final sequence of hills isn’t the same when you don’t have room.
When I became an enthusiast I basically only went to my home park CGA and nothing else, this year I’ve gone to SFDK and SFMM, so I’ve pretty much only knew those great America restraints, flight decks over the shoulder demons uncomfortable older the shoulder patriots over the shoulder gold strikers lap bar and Railblazers (sigh) over the shoulder. I used to think it did not “oh it’s not that bad” but when I started visiting other parks it was like, “WOW, Railblazers restraints suck” it’s not the worst but no where near as good as joker and twisted colossus, and full throttle
Great video. But yeah, the Sky Rush restraints are physically painful. Definitely the worst restraints out there. And clearly Hershey/Intamin knew it was an issue when they had to adjust it so they release on the brake run.
the best thing ever is when the lap bar goes down exactly to where you push it and not the clicking, with the clicks is either to tight or not tight enough
I keep trying to tell people that the B&M vests are amazing if you know how to ride with them, especially on rides with airtime and hangtime. When you're on the lift hill, put your thumbs under them and push out/up to the bar then grip the bar with the vest pulled out and clamped to it. At that point, you're essentially just riding with a small lap bar, but the vest is still there for safety if needed.
Skyrush’s restraints are literally the only time I’ve felt true pain on a coaster. I have no analysis of the ride because of the piercing pain in my legs the whole time. I was just suffering and waiting for it to be over. Literally the worst coaster I’ve been on out of 348 because the restraints. But SLCs, rough woodies, etc. I agree the pain is way more mild than people say, at least in my experience.
Sky Rush is great but those restraints are genuinely painful, especially on multiple rides. One time there was a stupid short wait and I got around 5 rides in and it was difficult to walk after the 4th and 5th, it’s not that bad on your first go but on repeats it does add up a lot.
a bit late to the vid, but as a tall person (wasn't allowed on a few rides at cedar point), if I say something hurts, its because my thigh bones feel like they're going to snap. Magnum XL was a walk on, yet I couldn't bring myself to go back on a second time due to the bruises it left. Same applied for Steel vengeance. too much pain. literal lasting pain.
I will say on the topic of vest restraints that, while my friends were perfectly comfortable, the ones on batman at six flags discovery kingdom didn’t quite fit me right but weren’t adjustable and would push under and into my collar bone, which while being bearable, definitely did hurt a bit
I ride X Flight a lot, and I am often genuinely in pain on the brakerun. I legit had bruises from it once. Almost all vest restraints are at least uncomfortable or painful for me, including ones like on Valravn.
The best restraints are those that allow for all kinds of forces even when you are stapled. Prime examples for that are Gerst Infinity Lap Bars or next gen Vekoma vests
Finally someone who agrees with me on skyrush. Yeah they aren’t good, and they can make you sore on repeated rides. But after a couple dozen rides on skyrush in various weather conditions, I genuinely don’t see how it’s possible to say that after one single ride it was “the most painful experience on a coaster” as some like to say.
Simply because it's rather expectation You get great erratic-layout coaster like Skyrush, but it got nerfed with unnecessary painful restrain that shouldn't be at all
I feel that the only issue with the SkyRush restraints are that they come down overtime. If they locked in place when then ride starts they would be one of the best restraints out there. They allow you to be so open and free, allowing for ample airtime.
the only coaster ive ridden with the old intamin restraints was stealth at thorpe park, they were okay apart from the fact they really came down during the ride so on the brake run my thighs were being squished it couldve been way worse tho, those miami trips usually have not-so-fun restraints which doesnt help with the fact they generally throw you around a lot
Most state's have laws that require permanent rides that invert riders to have restraints that contact your body in 4 locations. RMC lap bars without the shin guards only count as 2, one for each leg, so the shin guard meets the requirements.
i think i am the only man in this world that adores skyrush’s restraints. clamshells pinch me and are so restrictive on airtime. skyrush’s make me feel like i’m about to die. i love it
I understand a ride can still be enjoyable even with horrible restraints, but T3 left me sore for 20 minutes after because we sat in the brake run for so long. Great Video though.
My hot take: Everyone complains about the current restraints on Superman (Six Flags New England), but not nearly as much about the restraints on Wicked Cyclone, and they're not that different. But somehow on Superman it's this huge demerit to the ride. I think it's probably because on Superman they get compared to the old T-bar restraints, but I never rode it with those.
Vekoma got the Vest Restraint right on their current sit down coasters like Lech. The still allow for good, enjoyable airtime and don´t feel too restrictive. I really don´t mind those. Worst restraints are what can only be described as a belly restraint, it´s basically a large, unpadded piece of metal that clamps you in between itself and the back of the seat and they are the most uncomfortable thing ever. They are found on some replacement trains for old Vekoma MK-1200 Loopers like Speed Snake Free at Fort Fun in Germany. They are so terrible that I even prefer a Schwartzkopf OSTR over them.
Skyrush's restraints are definitely tight and uncomfortable, but once you're moving you don't notice them. The reason they're tight is because they only clamp your thighs and that is a huge part of what makes the ride so incredible. You have the most insane amount of freedom and mobility in your upper body because they never touch your waist or stomach in any way. With more traditional restraints, I think Skyrush would be boring. The ejector air and whippiness mostly exists because of your freedom to move your upper body, you feel like you're being folded over yourself every time it changes direction
Best Restraints: -T Bars -Buzzbars -Clamshells -Intamin overhead lap bars Worst restraints -U bricks -Cinderblocks -Vest Restraints -PTC lap bars -Vekoma and Arrow over the shoulders
I enjoy vest restraints because they give me something to do with my hands lmao only ones I didn't like are obviously the First Flight ones with the ball buster and the ones at my local Arrow Dynamics cookie cutter coaster that hurt like hell.
The restraints on Coast Rider at Knott's is so horrible: the shin guard is right up to your shin the entire time, unless you are under the age of like 2. But then again, it is a wild mouse...
I’ve been recently working at an RMC and all I can say is that their lap bars suck for operation cause they’re so heavy. Regardless, when riding they are fairly comfortable.
I haven’t been to Hersheypark so I am planning to go there maybe in a year or so. I also agree with you on SheiKra. I got insane airtime on the first drop. It could also be cause I’m small, but still, I got a lot of airtime
The best restraint is the one on the vekoma motorcycle lsm Booster Bike in toverland! Ok maybe not really but i was pleasantly surprised with them, its like a lapbar you lay down on with a lower back piece holding you in.
I once rode the Vekoma SLC at Gardaland and I had a headache for a full hour. The restraint was basically a hard piece of plastic and my head kept bumping around within it.
That bit at the end wasn't just a shot at airtime thrills. Obviously he was a big anti skyrusher but there are a lot of other content creators that have been way more ridiculous with their rants about it
Have you seen the Theme Park Crazy April Fool’s video? That one is obviously exaggerated but funny.
Ftr my pain tolerance is relatively high, but for some reason when I rode skyrush it was unreasonably rough, which probably added to the lapbar being pushed down even more, but the point still stands that it actually put me in an absurd amount of pain. Def more than the average ride for sure, but it still goes to show that the restraints actually do cause unbearable pain on select rides
Has nothing to do with your comment but can the next one be power of coaster themes. prolly be your best vid yet
@@jeremys8406 I love that idea.
@@ThemeParkAvenue i think it would round out the power of coaster… set
Something that enthusiasts don’t know about with B&M vest restraints is that there are multiple types of them. All the American B&Ms with vests have gen. 1 restraints but in 2018 B&M made gen. 2 vests which are actually amazing. Like I prefer them to clamshells in some situations.
Is that why Yukon feels better than Valravn?
@@NotDavidz yep, yukon has the newer vests and valravn has the older ones
@@harrisonbaguley5691 wow I didn't know this
Yeah the people in America have wingrider and wingrider iis (banshee)
What parks have gen 2
Skyrush's restraints are, in fact, painful. I dont complain about restraints a lot, but all I could think about was being stapled the whole ride. I have really thick legs, so that may be why you dont feel pain while others do.
I had a couple semi painful rides until I figured out that if you slide forward in the seat a couple inches, it doesn’t really hurt at all. I also noticed that if you pull it down right to where it lightly touches your leg, then it won’t really clamp down as much. Idk I didn’t have a huge problem with that. The biggest issue is really just how far down your thigh it actually touch’s your leg which is why I suggest scooting forward a bit.
Agreed. I absolutely love Skyrush's layout, and the winged coaster train design which is in my opinion the best in the industry, but the restraints straight up damn near ruin the ride for me. I'll ride it 2 times with no lines tops before I begin to physically lose feeling in my legs and get legitimately painful pins and needles. One time at Hershey someone was having trouble fitting in the restraints at the station ahead of our train so we had to sit on the brake run for a little while and my legs got so numb I couldn't stand when we pulled into the station and had searing pain when I finally did get feeling back to them... That was my first and only ride that day. It still boggles my mind that Hershey and Intamin have stuck with those restraints. Hershey because they've been getting complaints since day 1 about them and haven't asked for them to be redesigned fully and Intamin because they installed them AGAIN on Flying Aces at Ferrari World despite getting complaints on Skyrush's design for almost 4 years.
I think its the ever tightening hydraulic mechanism with the intense high g-force drops/layout combined with the lapbar wedge shaped design that really kills it tbh, if it had a different mechanism or a different design like the B&M or RMC lapbars it wouldn't nearly be that bad. Combined though it absolutely crushes your thighs.
@@Cmbgo98 Thank You!!! I am sorry this happened to you but glad someone else shares in my final brake run horror story. The ride broke down with us on the final break run and we were just SITTING THERE. People were like "pleeeease evacuate ussss".
Unless you have very skinny legs, the pad doesn’t sit flat on your legs and “digs” into your legs
@@Cmbgo98 I wish they would just lock in place and/or be replaced with Velocicoaster restraints.
The over the shoulder restraints really depend on your height. As someone who is 197 cm (6’5”) its pretty painful to have the restraints dig into my shoulders but a the end of the day the thrill of being able to ride the coaster is more important.
I’m also 6’5, I agree they are uncomfortable but I feel a lot safer than just a simple lap bar.
6’5 damn I’m not even 6’0
On the other end of the spectrum, as someone who is 4’11; I sympathize for you because the amount of wiggle room I have is INSANE.
As someone who is 6’3”, I can second this! Over the shoulder restrains dig hard into my shoulders and even though I don’t have to worry about headbanging, I know my shoulders will be sore from the restraints the day after.
@Rando oh I mean insane in the best way ever haha
Can't believe you missed the absolute S-teir that is intiman T Bar lap restraints
Correct me if I’m wrong, aren’t those illegal now because of the Superman accident?
@@Ben-pf9wxonly I’m Massachusetts and it’s stupid
The new Intamin restraints (Taron, Velocicoaster, Konda) are simply amazing. The comfort and freedom you experience is simply unmatched. Not even by Mack restaints (Blue Fire, Helix), which Intamin ''borrowed'' the design from.
You forgot to mention taiga in the intamin section
yeah i went on pantheon and they’re awesome
The one thing you have to remember with certain restraints like comfort collars and shin guards that seem unnecessary is that parks have to get the ride insured. Insurance companies tend to like the more restrictive restraints. It makes sense too. Lap Bars leave the ride ops more room fo error compared to OTSR's where you're aren't really ever going to get ejected.
Yeah afaik this is why Cedar Fair added seat belts to their B&Ms that originally opened without them. I hear it was an insurance issue, though I've never seen any primary sources for that.
The comfort collars don't actually restrain the riders at all though. In fact they frequently come undone during the ride and there are signs all over saying that may happen.
Sky rushes restraints feels like a morbidly obese kid is sitting on my lap and applying pressure on my legs overtime...
I think shin guards in theory are to prevent banging/entanglement/unforseen complications with legs that arise from heart-lined whip. I don't know that it's actually necessary but physics wise and looking at them that's what seems to be the intention
The single worst restraints I've experienced are on the Wonder Woman Golden Lasso Coaster. They're hard vest restraints like the comfort collars, but with less height on the torso. So if you have a longer than average torso (not larger around-- plenty of heavier guests have had no trouble), it forces you into a hunched position while digging into your collarbone. Like, my collarbone was legit bruised after a round with Wonder Woman.
I agree my should were dead on the twisted airtime hill.
We all know that restraints have lots of power, they even have the power to turn your head into a pinball at times
Silent SLC burn this
I call Kumba @ BGT "Headbangers Ball" 😂
Something that never gets talked about, those B&M vest restraints, they allow more people to ride, they are way more accommodating then the old style. I believe this is primarily why they exist, allow guests of larger sizes to ride, or ride in a more comfortable way. They are better overall for the general public / park operations.
Yeah and i habe heard some good things about the 2 generation vest restraints. Though they dont have any in the us.
RMC restraints aren't all that bad- they still allow for great airtime.
Great video!
What good is airtime if it freaking hurts. 😩 I love Steel Vengeance, but I'd be lying if I said those pops of airtime didn't destroy my thighs. Clamp shells are the best.
I agree, they’re my favorite restraints in terms of comfort and how much airtime I can get
Clamshells are great but they aren’t featured on ejector machines. Although Goliath’s ending is pretty strong.
This guys smart, he makes videos that are relevant to enthusiasts but also for GP to reel in the good views 😉
Uhhh, I was definitely still in pain after I walked off the ramp, fuck those restraints.
Yeah I got a really bad ride on skyrush
You will be happy that skyrush has new restraints
Coast rider at Knotts has actually painful shin guards. They added them after a kid climbed out and raised the minim height to 54" (tallest in the park.) It is a great little large wild mouse, but damn those shin guards make it so I dont fit in without a contortionist routine, and if you do fit normally those shin guards are taking you out when they get stapled to you and you have lots of lap bar room.
Someone in my band used to work on Skyrush. I asked him about it and he said that he can’t count the number of times per day people mention thigh pain. Thigh Crush is somewhat of an overused joke, but it’s true
Every coaster should have Phantom's revenge's restraints
The almighty pool noodle, goated restraints.
Just rode a raptor for the first time, you’d die on the first drop SOOO fast
@@noahmakesstuff4786 that makes it even better
I am a big fan of the modern vekoma trains. Lech Coaster was definetly one of the most comfortable yet violent coasters I've experienced
Your vids are all S tier you make it interesting to hear about rollercoaster stuff
Intamin T bars, buzz bars, and the Phantom’s pool noodles are my favorite.
A lot of good arguments here, also I think Chris is boutta declare war
Most of the Intamin's with the straps would be really uncomfortable with T-bars. Maverick and I305 have such violent transitions that you'd be slamming into your neighbor without those shoulder-guards. The only Intamin OTSRs I really thought actually hurt the ride were the ones on Ka. Maverick, I305, Cheetah Hunt, Storm Runner...I barely noticed them and even if they were were a little restrictive, it was such a minor concern compared to everything else great about the ride.
Maverick with the original hard OTSR was a one and done for me because of them. I didn't like having to ride defensively to avoid them hitting me in the shoulders, neck, or ears. The new restraints don't try to extract information or beat a confession out of me.
I love the RMCs. Went on Twisted Timbers when I was at Kings Dominion, and the amount of airtime is amazing!
You know what, I'm gonna say it. I HATE THE B&M CLAMSHELLS.
Just kidding I love them and pretty much everyone else does.
Damn I was about to agree with you
@@ASD_OW hol up
Outlaw Run's lap bar with shin guards, i hate them, as a person who is 6"2, it is very uncomfortable to have my legs be pushed back the entire ride. (I also didn't know about the first drop, I was in the back right seat)
The only coaster TH-camr other than Eltororyan who actually makes me laugh and isn’t a complete nerd. You’re the goat bro, look forward to every video
I love the Intamin Blitz Lap Bars, theyre my favourite restraints
I actually dont mind the shin guards on RMCs because you can use them by pushing your legs forward to get room when the ride op is checking restraints
I'll keep that in mind
That's awesome to know. The shingaurds are new to me, and Iron Gwazi has em. I rode it for the first time and they had issues getting everyone green. Got us locked in and we waited a solid 5 minutes or more before they finally dispatched us. Was pretty sure I was gonna have a GD panic attack I was so snug in that thing 😑
With tempesto, the comfort collar kept banging against my ears during the ride.
Exactly. I’m 5 11 and still get hit by the comfort collar. That plus the long lines make tempesto not worth it. Apollo’s Chariot all the way
@@gawdzamn my favorite at the park was invadr because it delivered the most intensity and best airtime to me. B&M hypers dont do anything for me like apollo.
I love the Clamshells on Orion and Diamondback, only issue is if you have larger legs you can feel your legs go a little numb by the end of the ride.
Every vid you put out is top tier, how do you not have more subs?
Bro I just found your channel today and I didnt know the rollercoaster community was this hardcore, let alone that there is a roller coaster community in the first place. Dope vid keep up the good work 👍
Can confirm, Velocicoaster's lap bar is one of my favorite restraints I've experienced. Not uncomfortable at all, open for airtime, and very secure. An Over-the-shoulder restraint like what's on Cheetah Hunt would *really* hurt the ride, interfering with the absolutely bonkers airtime and heavily dampening the Mosasaurus roll at the end.
Something of note with Skyrush in particular - here's what might be happening (AKA the power of expectations).
People online mention the uncomfortable restraints and how it's a very notable drawback to the ride. Then, people hear that and expect, "Oh, the restraints are uncomfortable." Then, for the entirety of the ride, they're not focusing on the g-forces or airtime, their attention is glued to how uncomfortable they are thanks to the restraints. This likely results in them enjoying the ride less because they spent the entire runtime of the ride paying attention to the restraint.
I love the B&M clamshells.
The vests are meh.
I like RMC’s restraints but they hurt my thighs a little
Intamins are kinda hit or miss when it comes to good or bad
Intamin is usually a miss (hard otsr, thigh crush) or they hit it out of the ball park with the new lap bars and t bars, and idk how to place the soft otsrs
Edit: having just rode i305 I can confirm that the soft straps are good restraints
@@soughtbug The soft are some of my favorite. They don't feel to restrictive. And they accomodate taller guests (like me). And they eliminate and headbanging
@@brady_06 interesting. I’ve heard from people like Chris from Airtime thrills that say the soft straps aren’t that good, however I haven’t been on a coaster that features them (altho that will hopefully change Friday when I get out to kings dominion)
@@soughtbug Just don't staple yourself and you should be fun. They're great for intense coasters, perfect for I305
@@brady_06 the soft straps are good, I can confirm
I agree with the skyrush "rant" 100%. My favorite coaster is Merlins Mayhem at DW, and the restraints are pretty tight on your legs. You don't even notice it once you're going, though. The force on the first 85 degree bank is INSANE, lmao.
LMAO I saw the title and the thumbnail and I was like "I remember when I rode Skyrush, I couldn't feel my legs after because of the restraint"
Thanks for the fire content. Recently got into coasters and your channel has been very informative and entertaining. Just returned from a DE trip where I visited SFGAd and Hersheypark for the first time. The only restraint issue I had was Wildcat's Revenge shin restraint. I agree that it seems utterly pointless. It was uncomfortable when first strapped in, but once the ride started I didn't notice it at all. As for Skyrush, not sure what the restraint fuss is all about. Based on thoosie comments I was expecting it to distract from the ride experience. Nope. No pain at all on my one ride last row, wing seat *shrug*
You are talking about restrains WITHOUT talking about the old Intamin T-bar ?!?!?!?!?! The GREATEST restrains EVER!
great video again btw 😎😂
Some of my favorite restraints are the flying dutchman vests because it feels like you're gonna fall out lol and like it's not holding you in at all (although of course it is)
Absolutely crazy. You literally feel like your gonna die hahaha
I feel like something that should probably be mentioned is that over the shoulder or vest restraints can be kinda good for big crowd pleaser coasters. A lot of people who aren't super avid coaster enthusiasts might prefer the more secure feeling that one gives over a lap bar, even though logically speaking, there's really not much difference between them in terms of safety.
I personally am not fond of the clamshell. It's purely psychological though, I feel like at least with a lap bar if it came undone for any reason I can hold onto it to stay in my seat, if a claim shell disengaged for whatever reason; especially for anything with staggered seating it seems like it can lurch so far forward that I'd be absolutely fucked. Maybe that's a good thing to add to the thrill, but it's terrifying.
But I'm also one of those people who doesn't throw their hands in the air on a drop, and clinging to the restraint for dear life.
keep up with the uploads I love your channel
This is the first video I've watched from you... I'm impressed! This was genuinely enjoyable to watch, good work :)
btw i dont like clamshells lol, i think - they clamped down pretty hard on my hip bones on fury and intimidator, but they didn't bother me at all on raging bull so im not sure whats going on there
I definitely thought this was gonna be about 'The Power of Restaurants'
im pretty mixed on RMC restraints. the shin guards really arent too bad but there are times when the restraints are kind of uncomfortable. TBH it might just be that RMCs are all super aggressive. I'd bet theyre perfectly fine on a family coaster that doesnt try to yeet you out of the seat every other second
I honestly read this as "restaurants" and I was really excited for this.
Good video despite my disappointment that that wasn't real.
For B&M vests, if you push your shoulders foreword that gives you a lot more room to breathe (I learned this on Banshee’s brake run)
HersheyPark a while ago upgraded SkyRush restraints so people can have a more comfortable experience during the ride. I’m going to HersheyPark this month and I can’t wait to experience the new restraints!!
I agree with what you said about Skyrush. The restraints didn’t hurt during the ride. When I got off…yeah, I felt it in my legs. But by the time I exited the ride, my legs were fine.
I'm just going to say this - the worst EVER restraints are the ones on old Arrow Mine Trains, because whoever designed those had a vendetta against tall people. 6' 5" and I had to take the walk of shame on Carolina Goldrusher (a ride that honestly could get away with lap belts) because the lap bar was actually crushing my legs.
I'm currently an OTSR person but I'm still only on like... 3 credits... so I've had one experience with lap bars - Wickerman. And to be fair, they are *fun.* Like, really fun. But I'll probably prefer lap bars to OTSRs once I'm no longer petrified of coasters.
Skyrush's restraint system wasn't painful for me - it was downright horrifying! I love putting my hands up when I ride, and mid-ride on this coaster I literally felt like I was going to be tossed out of my seat. The restraint did not feel secure on me.
personally my worst experience with a restraint, while the issue wasnt with the restraint itself but how it fit into the car, was on flight of fear where the shinguard absolutely squishes your right or left foot onto a bump in the car's floor depending on what side of the car you are on
Earlier this summer when I got a ride on Banshee, the restraints tightened so much that they were crushing my pelvis. It hurt to the point that it was hard to focus on the ride. I don’t know why in that one ride it was so bad, but it ruined it for me.
I love Giovanola lap bars. They are comfortable no matter how hard you staple yourself. If you put it on just right, it is airtime galore while still keeping you super safe. I also find the B&M OTSRs and vintage Schwarzkopf restraints comfortable as well. I like to try out a roller coaster that is even more forceful than 6 flags over Texas Titan and with comfortable restraints too even if it means going out of state.
The shin guards on rmcs are great because you can scoot forward and your shin keeps the restraint from coming down while the ride ops are checking restraints.
Some people says that Premier comfort collar somewhat fix the damn Manhattan Express
The POWER of Manufacturers. Thats a good idea
“No restraints cause real pain”
*Arrow Looper noises*
Other than not flying out of the ride, I barely noticed the restraint on velocicoaster! It was such an open feeling, giving a nice bit of space for the copious anounts of airtime in that ride. Nothing like getting whipped out of your seat and back in it on the mosasaurus roll 🤣🤣
I want to talk about Mack lap bars real quick. They are reasonably comfortable, but they always come down and staple you during the ride. Riding DC Rivals, I had to pull up the lap bar the whole time to not get stapled. You can still get some airtime after getting stapled but that final sequence of hills isn’t the same when you don’t have room.
You should ride phantoms revenge at Kennywood park in pa it’s lap bars give you about 3 inches of room for multiple ejector elements
When I became an enthusiast I basically only went to my home park CGA and nothing else, this year I’ve gone to SFDK and SFMM, so I’ve pretty much only knew those great America restraints, flight decks over the shoulder demons uncomfortable older the shoulder patriots over the shoulder gold strikers lap bar and Railblazers (sigh) over the shoulder. I used to think it did not “oh it’s not that bad” but when I started visiting other parks it was like, “WOW, Railblazers restraints suck” it’s not the worst but no where near as good as joker and twisted colossus, and full throttle
Great video. But yeah, the Sky Rush restraints are physically painful. Definitely the worst restraints out there. And clearly Hershey/Intamin knew it was an issue when they had to adjust it so they release on the brake run.
I heard that the shin guards exist on RMCs so that Airtime Thrills can prevent himself from getting stapled.
the best thing ever is when the lap bar goes down exactly to where you push it and not the clicking, with the clicks is either to tight or not tight enough
I keep trying to tell people that the B&M vests are amazing if you know how to ride with them, especially on rides with airtime and hangtime. When you're on the lift hill, put your thumbs under them and push out/up to the bar then grip the bar with the vest pulled out and clamped to it. At that point, you're essentially just riding with a small lap bar, but the vest is still there for safety if needed.
Skyrush’s restraints are literally the only time I’ve felt true pain on a coaster. I have no analysis of the ride because of the piercing pain in my legs the whole time. I was just suffering and waiting for it to be over. Literally the worst coaster I’ve been on out of 348 because the restraints. But SLCs, rough woodies, etc. I agree the pain is way more mild than people say, at least in my experience.
Sky rush- Thigh Crush
Sky Rush is great but those restraints are genuinely painful, especially on multiple rides. One time there was a stupid short wait and I got around 5 rides in and it was difficult to walk after the 4th and 5th, it’s not that bad on your first go but on repeats it does add up a lot.
Gotta love the good ol' premier rides (dis)comfort collars, as well as coast rider's $h!t guards
a bit late to the vid, but as a tall person (wasn't allowed on a few rides at cedar point), if I say something hurts, its because my thigh bones feel like they're going to snap. Magnum XL was a walk on, yet I couldn't bring myself to go back on a second time due to the bruises it left. Same applied for Steel vengeance. too much pain. literal lasting pain.
I will say on the topic of vest restraints that, while my friends were perfectly comfortable, the ones on batman at six flags discovery kingdom didn’t quite fit me right but weren’t adjustable and would push under and into my collar bone, which while being bearable, definitely did hurt a bit
I ride X Flight a lot, and I am often genuinely in pain on the brakerun. I legit had bruises from it once. Almost all vest restraints are at least uncomfortable or painful for me, including ones like on Valravn.
The best restraints are those that allow for all kinds of forces even when you are stapled. Prime examples for that are Gerst Infinity Lap Bars or next gen Vekoma vests
Finally someone who agrees with me on skyrush. Yeah they aren’t good, and they can make you sore on repeated rides. But after a couple dozen rides on skyrush in various weather conditions, I genuinely don’t see how it’s possible to say that after one single ride it was “the most painful experience on a coaster” as some like to say.
Simply because it's rather expectation
You get great erratic-layout coaster like Skyrush, but it got nerfed with unnecessary painful restrain that shouldn't be at all
If Superman at New England had better restraints, it would probably be my favorite Intamin.
I agree, my thighs aren't even big, I even pushed the lap bar down to where it'll hurt and they still wouldn't let me on.
I like the shin guards on RMC’s, stick your legs forward and boom lots of room for airtime
I feel that the only issue with the SkyRush restraints are that they come down overtime. If they locked in place when then ride starts they would be one of the best restraints out there. They allow you to be so open and free, allowing for ample airtime.
I’m the U.K. I haven’t suffered through many awful restraints so, I’ve never cared about restraints all that much.
Colossus, the eurofighters, the SLC's, Rita and stealth all have vile restraints.
the only coaster ive ridden with the old intamin restraints was stealth at thorpe park, they were okay apart from the fact they really came down during the ride so on the brake run my thighs were being squished it couldve been way worse tho, those miami trips usually have not-so-fun restraints which doesnt help with the fact they generally throw you around a lot
The restraints on Titan are heaven. You can rarely get stapled and you can't feel it.
Great video man!
Most state's have laws that require permanent rides that invert riders to have restraints that contact your body in 4 locations. RMC lap bars without the shin guards only count as 2, one for each leg, so the shin guard meets the requirements.
I don't know how it would work, but a collab with you and M-NL2-Contriver would be awesome
i think i am the only man in this world that adores skyrush’s restraints. clamshells pinch me and are so restrictive on airtime. skyrush’s make me feel like i’m about to die. i love it
I understand a ride can still be enjoyable even with horrible restraints, but T3 left me sore for 20 minutes after because we sat in the brake run for so long. Great Video though.
My hot take: Everyone complains about the current restraints on Superman (Six Flags New England), but not nearly as much about the restraints on Wicked Cyclone, and they're not that different. But somehow on Superman it's this huge demerit to the ride. I think it's probably because on Superman they get compared to the old T-bar restraints, but I never rode it with those.
Vekoma got the Vest Restraint right on their current sit down coasters like Lech. The still allow for good, enjoyable airtime and don´t feel too restrictive. I really don´t mind those.
Worst restraints are what can only be described as a belly restraint, it´s basically a large, unpadded piece of metal that clamps you in between itself and the back of the seat and they are the most uncomfortable thing ever. They are found on some replacement trains for old Vekoma MK-1200 Loopers like Speed Snake Free at Fort Fun in Germany. They are so terrible that I even prefer a Schwartzkopf OSTR over them.
Skyrush's restraints are definitely tight and uncomfortable, but once you're moving you don't notice them. The reason they're tight is because they only clamp your thighs and that is a huge part of what makes the ride so incredible. You have the most insane amount of freedom and mobility in your upper body because they never touch your waist or stomach in any way. With more traditional restraints, I think Skyrush would be boring. The ejector air and whippiness mostly exists because of your freedom to move your upper body, you feel like you're being folded over yourself every time it changes direction
Best Restraints:
-T Bars
-Buzzbars
-Clamshells
-Intamin overhead lap bars
Worst restraints
-U bricks
-Cinderblocks
-Vest Restraints
-PTC lap bars
-Vekoma and Arrow over the shoulders
I enjoy vest restraints because they give me something to do with my hands lmao only ones I didn't like are obviously the First Flight ones with the ball buster and the ones at my local Arrow Dynamics cookie cutter coaster that hurt like hell.
The restraints on Coast Rider at Knott's is so horrible: the shin guard is right up to your shin the entire time, unless you are under the age of like 2. But then again, it is a wild mouse...
I’ve been recently working at an RMC and all I can say is that their lap bars suck for operation cause they’re so heavy. Regardless, when riding they are fairly comfortable.
I haven’t been to Hersheypark so I am planning to go there maybe in a year or so. I also agree with you on SheiKra. I got insane airtime on the first drop. It could also be cause I’m small, but still, I got a lot of airtime
Can't wait to watch
The best restraint is the one on the vekoma motorcycle lsm Booster Bike in toverland! Ok maybe not really but i was pleasantly surprised with them, its like a lapbar you lay down on with a lower back piece holding you in.
as a 2m tall guy that rode the Untamed in Walibi Holland, those restraints are cool but not if your legs get cramps while riding it.
I once rode the Vekoma SLC at Gardaland and I had a headache for a full hour. The restraint was basically a hard piece of plastic and my head kept bumping around within it.