I use to think id be retired by the time this is complete but seeing how this has been going for the past decade,(im 32 btw) Yours may be the realistic answer.🤣
I remember the old Transbay Center by the bridge. I was shocked -- it was almost as run down as the 16th Street Station in Oakland. The new Salesforce T.C. is beautiful, but it is amazing it was built without a budget to extend Caltrain into SOMA.
There’s no 16th Street Station in Oakland, just 12th Street/City Center and 19th Street. There’s a 16th Street station in the Mission District in San Francisco.
@@bubbledoubletrouble - Before Jack London Station opened, Amtrak terminated at the old 16th Street Station in Oakland, which is close to where the former Oakland Mole was.
Based on concept drawings it looks like this will be a stub-end station. Given that LAUS is currently being upgraded to become a run-through station to improve train flow, I would imagine the same logic should be applied here with a return loop so trains can enter the station from one end and leave the other. Especially when you consider this’ll have half the tracks and platforms of the current Caltrain 4th and King station, keeping a smooth train flow for both Caltrain and CAHSR trains will be crucial to avoid delays.
@@JamesScantlebury the cascading positive effects on the BART system of a second transbay tube would be too big to ignore. Planning for the next 80-100 years should include space for both BART and CalTrain
This is very impressive on many levels. L.A. Union Station is also going through a huge renovation and expansion including building run through tracks, improved bus terminal, and more. Very cool.
I understand recent changes to this will make this train run on one rail, not two. How can this whole thing work well with ONE rail. I don't understand.
@@Mister8224 I think it's only being proposed for a short section in the Central Valley depending on future funding. The entire route will be fully double tracked in the end. All the viaducts, bridges, etc are being built to accommodate double tracks.
@@theexmann Sorry Thee, it sounds like a ploy to finish more track to the point when the 1st 30B is gone, it will be labelled to be much money put in already, too much that it can't be scrapped. This will allow 10s of Billions more to be thrown in. The definition of a money pit.
@@Mister8224 You can believe in whatever conspiracy you want. This project will be great for both CA and the USA. Huge projects like this that can take decades to plan, design, and build always have to deal with unexpected issues.
@@theexmann I think it might be good for an area of US, but not CA. Not including massive corruption, an overabundance of regulations & laws specific to CA & REAL estate costs add many billions to the cost. Keep other monies out of it. Use your own taxes if u must attempt this. And no, it WONT benefit ANYBODY but CA.
@@JamesDavis-mb1jw bro I see you hating in every california high speed rail video. It's going to be built and the money is an investment for the future of California
They should be working on building a transbay tube already, with 2 tracks for a new BART subway, 2 tracks for Caltrain, and 2 tracks for the high speed rail. Trains can turn around at a new "Sunnyside Yard" on the Bay Bridge peninsula in West Oakland.
We have to get federal funding for the tunnel into Salesforce Transit Center, over/underpasses in SF-Sunnyvale corridor and finish California HSR Phase 1 first. Remember its a state-wide project, not only a SF Bay Area project.
I’m from New York State, upstate 5-6 hours from NYC. California needs to complete this first segment of HSR, to show the rest of the world we can do it and use it. We have been to China, the UK, Germany, Switzerland and we should be ashamed of ourselves that we don’t have a much better HSR than those countries. We can do it. California, your on track to show the world. Let’s hope it will get done sooner than later. Good luck. It’s going to be a real tourist draw as well. Can’t wait to ride. Dave
Exactly and for New York State high-speed rail can be connected to the high-speed networking Canada using Montreal Rouses Point and Toronto via Niagara Falls Fed by New Jersey Northeast Corridor. California can be connected to the Pacific Northwest HSR if Sacramento Siskyu Pass Portland route is built. Ideal solution should be daytime high speed trains but in the evening freight service this is how some Deutsche Bahn Schnellfahrstrecke work like Main Spessart Bahn Lohr connector feeding Schnellfahrstrecke Hannover Würzburg
Yes it isn’t finished, but you didn’t show ANY of the high speed rail passenger platforms or future rail lines. You even said this is the level people are most excited about. Show us more than just a not that impressive sky light that doesn’t look very pedestrian friendly. Get people excited about the future rail line by showing it to them! Computer generated videos don’t count!
In the 1930's, they had electric rail that terminated at the Transbay Terminal, and 1939, you could take an electric car on a dedicated right-of-way all the way to Chico from the Terminal ... all without extra sales taxes .... and today, you need a slow AC transit bus. Also, the electric train to Downtown Berkeley took 35 minutes. Today, BART takes 39.
@@realestateunplugged6129 Laying the rail is the fast & easy & inexpensive part - takes a couple months. Building the right-of-way (ROW) is slow & expensive - takes years. So they build the entire ROW then lay the rail all at once.
@@taichiperfect Yes, the government in China owns all the land, and can order displacement of people and anything else out of the way to build whatever they want. Also, if any, no regulation probably on environmental issues as well. Thousands of workers ready to work on projects. If one gets hurt, another takes their place. When we toured China years ago, I saw workers working on an electric line pole with an aluminum ladder. Think about that. Somewhat of a safety issue. There certainly is to much red tape in this country.
Anyone calling this "Grand Central Terminal of the West" must be smoking something funny. With 6 tracks (maybe sometime in the future)? Come on! GCT has 67, not even including the 3 subway stations and the brand new 8-track LIRR concourse opening next year. GCT is vibrant & beautiful; SalesForce is cold & sterile. They won't even let Amtrak use it unless it agrees to pay exorbitant amounts of tribute.
@@KirkLinnDeGrassi No. The connecting bus from Emeryville only stops out on Mission St., where there's not even a shelter. The Financial District & Fisherman's Wharf stops were discontinued years ago.
It is a very exciting project but I find it such an embarrassing sell-out when the main station of a city is named after a company, for money. Name it after a person deserving of it, name it after some local geographical feature or simply name it SF central station but just selling out the name to the highest bidder is bad style, it feels like they need to do it and chances are they actually really do. No one would dream of renaming the White House to "Salesforce House" I assume.
Beautiful facility, but wait, isn't California HSR's 1st route expected to open up earlist on 2028? Assuming the projects doesn't get any further delays like it already has, or worst cancellation of the project. So, you will be maintaining this facilities for 7 years without actual use? Isn't that cost inefficient? Shouldn't they build this last and work on the track 1st?. I heard land acquisition was a major hurdle on populated areas.
A big thumbs up, this is impressive for the US, looking from a European perspective. The park was obviously designed with good intentions, but it clearly will not live up to expectations, as it is difficult to get to and small. A better use would have been oper air sports facilities.
San Francisco is a long way from Fresno. And Fresno is the only city who actually has high speed rail tracks. I'm glad there is a terminal in SF for a train that can't get out of Fresno.
Go ask the federal government to stop screwing over the 50 states and blowing money on war dogs and 20 years of trillions dollars with nothing to show and the Taliban taking over in less than a week lol.
@@danielcarroll3358 Indeed. And it can be equipped with a moving sidewalk as they have in many airports to help facilitate the distance for passengers.
Why not build the tracks first and then the stations in phases. Priorities should be reliable trains that run on a Useful schedule first, and rooftop gardens last.
Dude, it will be DECADES before CAHSR uses this. Btw, anyone noticing that this place is an absolute ghost town? How do you have a 6 minute long video of a transit center with only about 15 commuters in it? I very generously counted 15 commuters, and something like 8 buses. 2 commuters per bus, real efficient use of funds.
This could have been filmed on a Sunday or other off-peak time. Furthermore, it is during the pandemic and no major rail connections have been made to the site as of now. So it is definitely possible for there to be little people at the site.
@@theasergian8586 Well, this was part of the live "town hall" they did yesterday. However, does it really matter when it is? It's not just that there aren't a lot of people there. Almost NO ONE is there.
@@LucidStew there you go. as someone who, you know, actually lives in the area, before the pandemic the place was PACKED. the rooftop was filled with workers, tourists, and people just having a nice stroll. on the lower decks it's a thousand times better than the old center, with proper lighting and modern features so that you could navigate the many bay area systems, and get to your bus on time. Are there downsides? yeah. we need the bart lines to connect, or amtrak. Something to act as a stopgap connection point until people see common sense and build the high-speed rail we need. Also seeing as you're not local, i'd be glad to tell you about the bay area's transit problem, because it's a hot mess. long story short, because we never got all our services integrated like, say, nyc, we have about 15 million local services, all of which can be a liiiittle late or early, and even on a day to day schedule that means a lot of lost efficiency and more overhead than we need. However the problem is that when anyone brings up that we should just consolidate already or run Bart/rail through a new area, you get either a) some bunch of rich right wing morons saying that it costs too much (even though the loss in efficiency and quality of life is already costing us more) or b) some nimby trash human who thinks that a train coming to their town means the end of the world and/or their property values. all of them being wrong, but sadly they also tend to have enough money to make the process more expensive than local officials or government agencies want to take on. However this means that we end up with one of the highest-tech sectors in the world, but to take a trip that you'd need to take 30 minutes by car... ends up being an hour and a half by public transit.
Six tracks is not enough for both Caltrain and HSR to run the timetable they want to run. Not if but when, we'll have to decide which system priority in the station, and frankly Caltrain deserves it more as a commuter service.
Okay where to start… the Current CalTrain station with its current terminal will stay open. The HSR will veer off the line and go into a two way connecting tube to the HSR station. The HSR trains are Dual headed similar to CalTrain and that allows them to reverse directions with minimal time delay and space needed for a complete turnaround. I hope this answers your question
@@KirkLinnDeGrassi my guess is just Baby Bullets go to and from STC (along with all HSR trains) while 4th and King remains the terminus for local and limited Caltrain service. Maybe the 2nd fastest Caltrain service will also go to and from STC, or some of those trains will alternate between STC and 4th & King.
A train station is a place for the train to stop, not necessarily the place to park trains. That would be called a train depot, and to build that underground would be insanely expensive ( And yes, I'm aware that 4th and King is used somewhat like a depot ). 6 tracks, and assuming a rest time of 5 minutes/platform, would be 72 arrivals/departures per hour. With 2 tracks connecting, we can probably get at most 30 trains in and out per hour. Compare with a typical schedule for our state capitol, Sacramento: 11 trains depart for San Jose, 1 for Reno, 1 towards Redding, none towards Bakersfield although I anecdotally read somewhere that such service exists. *13* trains, for the entire day ! Caltrain, they have *4* trains per hour at *peak* times. If trains come every 30 minutes, per direction, that service is OK. So let's assume 2 HSR trains, 2 trains towards Portland, and 2 eastbound per hour. That's still only 10 trains per hour, and that would already be a level of service that would be unthinkable for many.
They built a train station that wont even see a High-Speed Train in our lifetime. lol. Service was supposed to start in 2019 then it became 2023 then it became 2029 then it became 2035. lol.
The light rail that is supposed to come to my part of SE Los Angeles County won't be done until 2049. I've been paying taxes as a resident of LA County for over a decade for a project I will most likely never see and my kids may not even see. Money would have been better spent trying to buy flying unicorns. Between the unions, the environmental regulations and the crony politician contributor kickbacks this state is a lost cause.
1:08 would those votes even hold up nowadays? That was over 2 decades ago, and you _still_ haven’t delivered your promise of high speed rail into downtown San Francisco. Let alone access to rail into downtown San Francisco
The U.S desperately needs to Overhaul and expand its rail network with high speed rail if we’re ever going to meet climate targets, Prevent our roads from being completely jammed with cars from rapid increases population, the fiscal aspect of giving viable travel options that to those who can’t afford a car.
Given that it has taken over 20 years to get this far, it will probably be another 20 before Cal Tran reaches this station but that will be twenty years before the HS to Bakersfield does. By then the LA suburbs will reach Bakersfield.
This is right after the pandemic shut down and I don't believe that if that we now have any money for caltrain to build a tunnel From there yard to the transbay terminal The Bay area is still recovering from the covid shutdown and it's going to be some time before everything is back to normal
@@m0istl0la97 Definitely not third rail. CAHSR will be powered by OCS - you can see the pantographs on the roof of the trains. The renders just didn't show the overhead wires. CAHSR will be fully electrified.
No, that’s not Grand Central of the west that is a building with port authority in the second level. A High-line on the roof. And a suburban station in the basement.
4 minutes on the park, 1 minute on the buses, 30 seconds on the trains. So much for being a video about HSR. But with the rail extension (even for CalTrain) to this building still being a pipe dream, I guess that's all they have to show.
This not Central Station but Terminal Station or Grand Central Station which can bring all trains must stop at this station. Indonesia must build Terminal Station. Best Regards from Indonesia👍🏻🇮🇩
@@qjtvaddict yes The Rolling Stock CR400AF from China Railways is now under construction before send to Indonesia at 2022 but the Japanese People & Railfans from Japan has dissapointed to Indonesia because they offer Shinkansen E5 has been rejected and choose the CR400AF because cheap
California is racist in los banos were the train will go on Henry Miller rd is the yokuts Indians burial grounds the train will go right over them there going to have to dig up thousands of them and your ok with this I myself have found remains of yokuts there and turned them over to the Merced county sheriff dept
Keep your mitts away from federal money for your failed impossible project. CA. is not capable of completing this project. Even if the estimated 10 to 15 BILLION dollar initial estimate cost increases tenfold, that still won't be EVEN CLOSE to how much finishing this project will actually cost. And if somehow the train could be actually be finished, how could it be run to even START to address the 100s of BILLIONS thrown at this money pit? I'm not saying something like this can't be built, it just can't be built in CA.
No more useless than electric cars !! What a scam !!!!!If the grid goes down then Napalm !!! They're stuck !!!!!! It's a scam and stupid green energy !!!!
San Mateo County doesn't want High Speed Rail and I don't blame them. Do they want grade separations at crossings and electrification of CalTrain? Absolutely! Having grown up in Fremont, I'm all too familiar with the weird high pitched scraping whine of elevated rail cars. Most of the CalTrain line is already higher than the surrounding ground, so the noise will only get worse with HSR. The Baby Bullets do fine. This pipe dream of HSR to SF is only being used to defraud the US Taxpayer to build CalTrains grade separation and to pay for electrification. San Jose is a perfectly fine terminus for HSR.
Looking good. Excited to think my great great grandchildren might ride High Speed Rail on opening day. I'm 21 right now btw
Lmaoo we will be long dead before this project get completed .
Maybe.....Just maybe in about 20 years you will be able to go from Gilroy to Bakersfield.
I think you're too optimistic as to that early a compilation date. 😁
I use to think id be retired by the time this is complete but seeing how this has been going for the past decade,(im 32 btw) Yours may be the realistic answer.🤣
hit that nail on the head.🥰😆😎
I remember the old Transbay Center by the bridge. I was shocked -- it was almost as run down as the 16th Street Station in Oakland. The new Salesforce T.C. is beautiful, but it is amazing it was built without a budget to extend Caltrain into SOMA.
Marin county?
There’s no 16th Street Station in Oakland, just 12th Street/City Center and 19th Street. There’s a 16th Street station in the Mission District in San Francisco.
@@bubbledoubletrouble - Before Jack London Station opened, Amtrak terminated at the old 16th Street Station in Oakland, which is close to where the former Oakland Mole was.
Based on concept drawings it looks like this will be a stub-end station. Given that LAUS is currently being upgraded to become a run-through station to improve train flow, I would imagine the same logic should be applied here with a return loop so trains can enter the station from one end and leave the other. Especially when you consider this’ll have half the tracks and platforms of the current Caltrain 4th and King station, keeping a smooth train flow for both Caltrain and CAHSR trains will be crucial to avoid delays.
Yeah hopefully the stub end station doesn’t last.
Or a second transbay tube
or you have Caltrain as the second Transbay Tube - with an Oakland CAHSR station!
@@JamesScantlebury the cascading positive effects on the BART system of a second transbay tube would be too big to ignore. Planning for the next 80-100 years should include space for both BART and CalTrain
can't. millennium tower is in the way
This is very impressive on many levels. L.A. Union Station is also going through a huge renovation and expansion including building run through tracks, improved bus terminal, and more. Very cool.
I understand recent changes to this will make this train run on one rail, not two. How can this whole thing work well with ONE rail. I don't understand.
@@Mister8224 I think it's only being proposed for a short section in the Central Valley depending on future funding. The entire route will be fully double tracked in the end. All the viaducts, bridges, etc are being built to accommodate double tracks.
@@theexmann Sorry Thee, it sounds like a ploy to finish more track to the point when the 1st 30B is gone, it will be labelled to be much money put in already, too much that it can't be scrapped. This will allow 10s of Billions more to be thrown in. The definition of a money pit.
@@Mister8224 You can believe in whatever conspiracy you want. This project will be great for both CA and the USA. Huge projects like this that can take decades to plan, design, and build always have to deal with unexpected issues.
@@theexmann I think it might be good for an area of US, but not CA. Not including massive corruption, an overabundance of regulations & laws specific to CA & REAL estate costs add many billions to the cost. Keep other monies out of it. Use your own taxes if u must attempt this. And no, it WONT benefit ANYBODY but CA.
I love CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail.
So you love wasting tens of billions going from Madera to Bakersfield. 👍🏾
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@@JamesDavis-mb1jw liberalism is a mental disorder man
@@JamesDavis-mb1jw bro I see you hating in every california high speed rail video. It's going to be built and the money is an investment for the future of California
They should be working on building a transbay tube already, with 2 tracks for a new BART subway, 2 tracks for Caltrain, and 2 tracks for the high speed rail. Trains can turn around at a new "Sunnyside Yard" on the Bay Bridge peninsula in West Oakland.
We have to get federal funding for the tunnel into Salesforce Transit Center, over/underpasses in SF-Sunnyvale corridor and finish California HSR Phase 1 first. Remember its a state-wide project, not only a SF Bay Area project.
I would love to see the coast starlight run up the SF peninsula then continue to Seattle via the potential Transbay tube.
I’m from New York State, upstate 5-6 hours from NYC. California needs to complete this first segment of HSR, to show the rest of the world we can do it and use it. We have been to China, the UK, Germany, Switzerland and we should be ashamed of ourselves that we don’t have a much better HSR than those countries. We can do it. California, your on track to show the world. Let’s hope it will get done sooner than later. Good luck. It’s going to be a real tourist draw as well.
Can’t wait to ride.
Dave
You may match the Europeans eventually (barely) but you'll not touch the Chinese.
Huge boondoggle to nowhere, currently at 1.4 million per mile and they're asking for more money with no completion date in sight.
Exactly and for New York State high-speed rail can be connected to the high-speed networking Canada using Montreal Rouses Point and Toronto via Niagara Falls Fed by New Jersey Northeast Corridor. California can be connected to the Pacific Northwest HSR if Sacramento Siskyu Pass Portland route is built. Ideal solution should be daytime high speed trains but in the evening freight service this is how some Deutsche Bahn Schnellfahrstrecke work like Main Spessart Bahn Lohr connector feeding Schnellfahrstrecke Hannover Würzburg
UK and Switzerland don’t have high speed rail tho just very frequent service. Sorry but your government is too corrupt
@@EpicThe112 HSR doesn’t need to serve the whole country
Yes it isn’t finished, but you didn’t show ANY of the high speed rail passenger platforms or future rail lines. You even said this is the level people are most excited about. Show us more than just a not that impressive sky light that doesn’t look very pedestrian friendly. Get people excited about the future rail line by showing it to them! Computer generated videos don’t count!
Right now that empty underground area is about all that there is to see. There are no platforms yet, just an empty concrete shell.
Yes exactly I think most people clicked on this video for that not the park at the top
Give people time man it dose not take 2 seconds to build a whole high station
Build a second transbay tube out of the transit center
the way things are going right now we won't have it for another 30 years
Give up move to China they get things done
@@qjtvaddict yeah but I like my civil liberties a bit more than transit tubes
@Badass Beaver could be used for both
In the 1930's, they had electric rail that terminated at the Transbay Terminal, and 1939, you could take an electric car on a dedicated right-of-way all the way to Chico from the Terminal ... all without extra sales taxes .... and today, you need a slow AC transit bus. Also, the electric train to Downtown Berkeley took 35 minutes. Today, BART takes 39.
Too bad special interests had so much public transit destroyed.
Good job Boris.
OMG, I can't be wait I love California high speed rail very soon opened this year!
California High Speed Transit. How do these people sleep at night?
By the time HSR comes through in 2055 their gonna need to rebuild that station.
Hear, hear. And we already spent over 20billion and have NO RAIL to show for it.
@@realestateunplugged6129 Laying the rail is the fast & easy & inexpensive part - takes a couple months. Building the right-of-way (ROW) is slow & expensive - takes years. So they build the entire ROW then lay the rail all at once.
What about having Bart and Muni Metro street car to meet and SMART locomotive train to meet as well.
It’s near BART
When is the CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail going to be completed?
It's supposed to be operational from Merced to Bakersfield by 2029, and LA to San Fransisco in 2033
@@rrialb9371 less regulation. Can kick you out whenever.
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@@rrialb9371 Simple. China is a Communist country with no free speech and the USA is a Democratic Republic with free speech.
@@taichiperfect Yes, the government in China owns all the land, and can order displacement of people and anything else out of the way to build whatever they want. Also, if any, no regulation probably on environmental issues as well. Thousands of workers ready to work on projects. If one gets hurt, another takes their place.
When we toured China years ago, I saw workers working on an electric line pole with an aluminum ladder. Think about that. Somewhat of a safety issue.
There certainly is to much red tape in this country.
Good old Bay Area. Nothing but the best for them.
Great video. But how likely is the high speed train all the way to LA really going to happen?
The design is done. The quick and easy parts are being built first to show a working product sooner. So highly likely is my evaluation.
Anyone calling this "Grand Central Terminal of the West" must be smoking something funny. With 6 tracks (maybe sometime in the future)? Come on! GCT has 67, not even including the 3 subway stations and the brand new 8-track LIRR concourse opening next year. GCT is vibrant & beautiful; SalesForce is cold & sterile. They won't even let Amtrak use it unless it agrees to pay exorbitant amounts of tribute.
The need to extend the Surfliner forma SLO to Salesforce...
i think they were talking in terms of modern day architecture....
Amtrak uses a Bus thruway system for San Francisco that serves multiple stops and Salesforce center was problematic
@@KirkLinnDeGrassi No. The connecting bus from Emeryville only stops out on Mission St., where there's not even a shelter. The Financial District & Fisherman's Wharf stops were discontinued years ago.
@@joelk4751 RE-read what I wrote Amtrak decided that the Salesforce Center was problematic as Amtrak has Multiple stops in SF
I've been there in Watch Dog 2, in the game, it was a Police Station, and there no Basement access, no escalador nor tram to ride up and down.
I want CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail.
Bot be gone.
Will we be allowed to get high on the high speed train?
Very nice.
Anyone know when they're going to start tunneling so there's a train route to it?
If Caltrain extends to it as a separate project, sometime between 2025-2030. Next decade if CAHSR only.
@@AVeryRandomPerson Thanks!
Why don't Amtrak Thruway buses use the bus deck?
Glad to see Americans embracing Mass Transit Systems. But WHERE ARE ALL THE COMMUTERS? All the buses shown here were literally empty.
It’s the very end and beginning of most bus lines so it’s not very busy
To think they built all of this so far and want the high speed rail but it will probably sit vacant for 20-40 more years LOL
It is a very exciting project but I find it such an embarrassing sell-out when the main station of a city is named after a company, for money. Name it after a person deserving of it, name it after some local geographical feature or simply name it SF central station but just selling out the name to the highest bidder is bad style, it feels like they need to do it and chances are they actually really do.
No one would dream of renaming the White House to "Salesforce House" I assume.
Before I watched this video I thought it was located at the basement of the SalesForce tower instead, hence the name
Beautiful facility, but wait, isn't California HSR's 1st route expected to open up earlist on 2028? Assuming the projects doesn't get any further delays like it already has, or worst cancellation of the project. So, you will be maintaining this facilities for 7 years without actual use? Isn't that cost inefficient? Shouldn't they build this last and work on the track 1st?. I heard land acquisition was a major hurdle on populated areas.
20billion+ dollars spent on "HSR" only to have ZERO RAIL. It's called taxes without representation.
A big thumbs up, this is impressive for the US, looking from a European perspective. The park was obviously designed with good intentions, but it clearly will not live up to expectations, as it is difficult to get to and small. A better use would have been oper air sports facilities.
congrats on a fine job , she is a pretty on.
San Francisco is a long way from Fresno. And Fresno is the only city who actually has high speed rail tracks. I'm glad there is a terminal in SF for a train that can't get out of Fresno.
the high speed train will follow a commuter train that makes every stop. Great Planning CA!
The homeless are going to love this
Go ask the federal government to stop screwing over the 50 states and blowing money on war dogs and 20 years of trillions dollars with nothing to show and the Taliban taking over in less than a week lol.
Trying to sell $9B project to average californians is going to be tough. Especially when all this will do is displace amtrak riders.
High Speed Rail to Los Angeles? When it will go into operations?
When will Kern County get a station?
is the train ever going to be built?
Please prove the car crazy people wrong and finish this.
Doesn't connect to BART in Downtown SFO but connects to buses. Really? I get it, only a block away but still.
From the lower mezzanine level there will be a walkway to BART. Would be a great opportunity for a few shops as in, say, Germany.
@@danielcarroll3358 Indeed. And it can be equipped with a moving sidewalk as they have in many airports to help facilitate the distance for passengers.
Exactly how do you connect BART? Provide a stub 😂 or bend it for a couple of blocks?
@@truthalonetriumphs6572 You’re missing the point, mass transit should connect… I’m not saying make it connect… poor long term planning
Why not build the tracks first and then the stations in phases. Priorities should be reliable trains that run on a Useful schedule first, and rooftop gardens last.
Looks awfully empty?So? Is this thing open and receiving trains? Or is it still closed waiting for hi speed rail? In which that could be decades away!
Dude, it will be DECADES before CAHSR uses this. Btw, anyone noticing that this place is an absolute ghost town? How do you have a 6 minute long video of a transit center with only about 15 commuters in it? I very generously counted 15 commuters, and something like 8 buses. 2 commuters per bus, real efficient use of funds.
This could have been filmed on a Sunday or other off-peak time. Furthermore, it is during the pandemic and no major rail connections have been made to the site as of now. So it is definitely possible for there to be little people at the site.
@@theasergian8586 Well, this was part of the live "town hall" they did yesterday. However, does it really matter when it is? It's not just that there aren't a lot of people there. Almost NO ONE is there.
@MasteroMatter I do not live in S.F.
@@LucidStew there you go. as someone who, you know, actually lives in the area, before the pandemic the place was PACKED. the rooftop was filled with workers, tourists, and people just having a nice stroll. on the lower decks it's a thousand times better than the old center, with proper lighting and modern features so that you could navigate the many bay area systems, and get to your bus on time. Are there downsides? yeah. we need the bart lines to connect, or amtrak. Something to act as a stopgap connection point until people see common sense and build the high-speed rail we need.
Also seeing as you're not local, i'd be glad to tell you about the bay area's transit problem, because it's a hot mess. long story short, because we never got all our services integrated like, say, nyc, we have about 15 million local services, all of which can be a liiiittle late or early, and even on a day to day schedule that means a lot of lost efficiency and more overhead than we need. However the problem is that when anyone brings up that we should just consolidate already or run Bart/rail through a new area, you get either a) some bunch of rich right wing morons saying that it costs too much (even though the loss in efficiency and quality of life is already costing us more) or b) some nimby trash human who thinks that a train coming to their town means the end of the world and/or their property values. all of them being wrong, but sadly they also tend to have enough money to make the process more expensive than local officials or government agencies want to take on.
However this means that we end up with one of the highest-tech sectors in the world, but to take a trip that you'd need to take 30 minutes by car... ends up being an hour and a half by public transit.
@@basilmemories cool, thanks for taking the time to give me all that information.
Was this reopened after a crack was discovered?
Yes - reopened in 2019 after 10 months of closure. Cracks were repaired and other parts of the building were reinforced
Where's the second tunnel to the transbay station? There's no linkage to any existing rail....
Six tracks is not enough for both Caltrain and HSR to run the timetable they want to run. Not if but when, we'll have to decide which system priority in the station, and frankly Caltrain deserves it more as a commuter service.
Umm ever heard of through running regional rail trains?
@@qjtvaddict how tf do you through run this station? It's a dead end.
Okay where to start… the Current CalTrain station with its current terminal will stay open. The HSR will veer off the line and go into a two way connecting tube to the HSR station. The HSR trains are Dual headed similar to CalTrain and that allows them to reverse directions with minimal time delay and space needed for a complete turnaround. I hope this answers your question
@@KirkLinnDeGrassi my guess is just Baby Bullets go to and from STC (along with all HSR trains) while 4th and King remains the terminus for local and limited Caltrain service.
Maybe the 2nd fastest Caltrain service will also go to and from STC, or some of those trains will alternate between STC and 4th & King.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc th-cam.com/video/Cdk1JEmHwXA/w-d-xo.html
Unfortunately, unless I live until I'm 200 years old, I won't be traveling high-speed rail from L.A. to S.F. :/
You must be 150 years old then, congrats!
chin up, you might get a shot if you live to be 100.
@@LucidStew Thanks. :)
@@alexverdigris9939 Sometimes I feel like I'm 150. :/
@@roachtoasties u must have ben eaten so much vegetables in your life
I guess it's cool to have a high-speed rail station two decades before you get high speed rail. :P
Why was this built before high speed rail was built there
6 tracks won't be enough, unless the tunnel will be continued under the bay! The second transbay crossing should be for Caltrain and CHR, not Bart
A train station is a place for the train to stop, not necessarily the place to park trains. That would be called a train depot, and to build that underground would be insanely expensive ( And yes, I'm aware that 4th and King is used somewhat like a depot ).
6 tracks, and assuming a rest time of 5 minutes/platform, would be 72 arrivals/departures per hour. With 2 tracks connecting, we can probably get at most 30 trains in and out per hour.
Compare with a typical schedule for our state capitol, Sacramento: 11 trains depart for San Jose, 1 for Reno, 1 towards Redding, none towards Bakersfield although I anecdotally read somewhere that such service exists. *13* trains, for the entire day !
Caltrain, they have *4* trains per hour at *peak* times. If trains come every 30 minutes, per direction, that service is OK. So let's assume 2 HSR trains, 2 trains towards Portland, and 2 eastbound per hour. That's still only 10 trains per hour, and that would already be a level of service that would be unthinkable for many.
Well, in the video he says 6 double tracks. Doesn't that mean 12 actual physical tracks?
the background music is so annoying! the builduing is cool :)
Wasn’t the high speed rail canceled 3 years ago?
Nope.
They built a train station that wont even see a High-Speed Train in our lifetime. lol. Service was supposed to start in 2019 then it became 2023 then it became 2029 then it became 2035. lol.
and it go on and on and on and on till the day of our planet’s death.
This show America has no talents technology nor fund to build anything but war hate mongers.
The light rail that is supposed to come to my part of SE Los Angeles County won't be done until 2049. I've been paying taxes as a resident of LA County for over a decade for a project I will most likely never see and my kids may not even see. Money would have been better spent trying to buy flying unicorns. Between the unions, the environmental regulations and the crony politician contributor kickbacks this state is a lost cause.
@@yuegonghuamei6685 exactly they are a failure
@@Tokamak3.1415 leave the country pay taxes to a country that gets things done
1:08 would those votes even hold up nowadays? That was over 2 decades ago, and you _still_ haven’t delivered your promise of high speed rail into downtown San Francisco. Let alone access to rail into downtown San Francisco
The U.S desperately needs to Overhaul and expand its rail network with high speed rail if we’re ever going to meet climate targets, Prevent our roads from being completely jammed with cars from rapid increases population, the fiscal aspect of giving viable travel options that to those who can’t afford a car.
Beautiful looking infrastructure in the USA but costly and slow.
Given that it has taken over 20 years to get this far, it will probably be another 20 before Cal Tran reaches this station but that will be twenty years before the HS to Bakersfield does. By then the LA suburbs will reach Bakersfield.
This is right after the pandemic shut down and I don't believe that if that we now have any money for caltrain to build a tunnel From there yard to the transbay terminal
The Bay area is still recovering from the covid shutdown and it's going to be some time before everything is back to normal
Thanks for updating! It looks beautiful but useless.
6 tracks at this terminal is a joke.
I bet 6 tracks wouldnt even be enough for Caltrain, they probably need to double the size of that train box
Farmers of Stanislaus county and San Joaquin will never vote for construction through farm land. It's always been defeated and probably always will.
California High Speed rail/Maglev
"The hoover rail will be arriving in 1 minute"
"Next stop spaceport"
as seen in movie "tomorrowland" city scene
What year is the CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail going to be completed?
2029
Whenever you stop commenting this
@@vandreadparty at the earliest...
2056
3:24 ... how come the train is not electrified ?
3rd rail?
@@m0istl0la97 Definitely not third rail. CAHSR will be powered by OCS - you can see the pantographs on the roof of the trains. The renders just didn't show the overhead wires. CAHSR will be fully electrified.
No, that’s not Grand Central of the west that is a building with port authority in the second level. A High-line on the roof. And a suburban station in the basement.
But know one cares know one from the train will reply we people will just ignore it
U never know kind of structure do with a person metal state
The LA Times published that the original estimate for the train was $33 billion and now the estimate is $100 billion. Something is wrong here.
It is very nice but you have to re-up with the real
HSR, leadership is lacking. I'm still waiting for the first rail. Lots of overpasses to nowhere and fields of pillars. Leadership would finish it.
You need all of those overpasses and pillars in order to finish it...
My thoughts exactly. Would've been nice to see actual rails down there.
But, but, where are the tracks? It's been 15 years since hsr passed. Some "track" record. Love the shoes though, guy.
keep printing monies
lol with no connection the BART
build faster
4 minutes on the park, 1 minute on the buses, 30 seconds on the trains. So much for being a video about HSR. But with the rail extension (even for CalTrain) to this building still being a pipe dream, I guess that's all they have to show.
Will this project support itself without being burden on taxpayers? Where are studies that support that?
"Grand Central Terminal of the west" is an entirely laughable statement
This not Central Station but Terminal Station or Grand Central Station which can bring all trains must stop at this station. Indonesia must build Terminal Station. Best Regards from Indonesia👍🏻🇮🇩
Your country will have high speed rail before this boondoggle trust me
@@qjtvaddict yes The Rolling Stock CR400AF from China Railways is now under construction before send to Indonesia at 2022 but the Japanese People & Railfans from Japan has dissapointed to Indonesia because they offer Shinkansen E5 has been rejected and choose the CR400AF because cheap
The best video so far like an Apple Inc. guide/tour. Build! Build! Build! Contract SpaceX if you have too
cool socialism for corporations . LOL , question how much did salesforce Marc Benioff put in to the high speed rail of their multi billion company ?
Let me know when the train starts running shithole
So... it has taken 20 years to deliver SOME of what was promised to voters?
It’s nice to put a voice and face to the people wasting tax money.
California is racist in los banos were the train will go on Henry Miller rd is the yokuts Indians burial grounds the train will go right over them there going to have to dig up thousands of them and your ok with this I myself have found remains of yokuts there and turned them over to the Merced county sheriff dept
???
So embarrassing
Give the money back. $99Bn scam of the taxpayers.
Keep your mitts away from federal money for your failed impossible project. CA. is not capable of completing this project. Even if the estimated 10 to 15 BILLION dollar initial estimate cost increases tenfold, that still won't be EVEN CLOSE to how much finishing this project will actually cost. And if somehow the train could be actually be finished, how could it be run to even START to address the 100s of BILLIONS thrown at this money pit? I'm not saying something like this can't be built, it just can't be built in CA.
The whole USA is a failure
Keep the rail at disney land !!! Drill baby drill !!!!!! Use Amtrak !!!!
Amtrak is slow and useless time to replace em
No more useless than electric cars !! What a scam !!!!!If the grid goes down then Napalm !!! They're stuck !!!!!! It's a scam and stupid green energy !!!!
San Mateo County doesn't want High Speed Rail and I don't blame them. Do they want grade separations at crossings and electrification of CalTrain? Absolutely! Having grown up in Fremont, I'm all too familiar with the weird high pitched scraping whine of elevated rail cars. Most of the CalTrain line is already higher than the surrounding ground, so the noise will only get worse with HSR. The Baby Bullets do fine. This pipe dream of HSR to SF is only being used to defraud the US Taxpayer to build CalTrains grade separation and to pay for electrification. San Jose is a perfectly fine terminus for HSR.
CAHSR cant end at S.J. without a vote. S.F. as a terminus was part of Prop 1A and therefore is now part of the state constitution.
Eventually people in San Jose will demand HSR trains to Sacramento. And why not Brightline from there to Reno?
Why is that even an issue snowflake?
BART is not Caltrain
horse pucky. what a wasted use of treasury.