San Francisco to San Jose Project Section Overview - FULL VIDEO
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- The San Francisco to San Jose project section of the California high-speed rail system will connect communities from San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties to the rest of the state. The project section will travel between stations at 4th and King in San Francisco, Millbrae-SFO (near the San Francisco International Airport), and San Jose (Diridon Station).
For more information visit www.hsr.ca.gov
Just a thought: Why do so many people, out there and here at TH-cam, actually WANT this project to fail? From where I'm sitting (in New York City), this project looks like the first major project of its kind, quite likely _the_ biggest in the country, and maybe the last big chance we will have to get a HSR system of this scale in operation. Quite frankly, the reason it is expensive right now (and will remain so) is because we waited _way_ too long to get a project like this going, even while Europe and Asia put their feet on the gas pedal and floored it to no end with their projects...
...Fortunately, this project is putting a lot of people to work; and hopefully, when it is done, they may one day consider expanding it to cover the entire West Coast. 👍
It was supposed to be fast, it isn’t. It was supposed to be safe, it isn’t. It was supposed to be done by now, it isn’t.
@@TheKevintegra19 It was supposed to be funded with private investment. Total private investment to date: $0.
Update: I should have said "partially funded". The initial proposal promised there would be some private investment.
@@TheKevintegra19 it’s America, what do you expect? Nothing gets done here. Regardless, same thing happened in Japan and now look at them! Best HSR in the world
This is Jerry Browns boondoggle. Voters passed a measure in 2008 for $33 billion to fund the entire project. Its now 2022 (14 yrs later) and the best they can come up with is a "HSR" line only between Merced and Bakersfield in the Central Valley which very few would actually use, a big white elephant. Its not even close to completion. Now they say to complete the whole line between SF and LA will be $105 billion, over 3 times the cost. Where is that money going to come from? Another ballot measure? More idiot voters wanting more taxes to pay for it? Add in all the fingers in the pie (CA used to be a non union state now its run by unions) all wanting their own carve outs the $105 billion will balloon even more. The video you just watched isn't happening, its only in a "concept phase" despite all the gee whiz graphics.
@@TheKevintegra19 if it isn’t even running yet then how do we know how fast and how safe it will be?
Each at-grade crossing is an extra possible point of failure. I really like this project but I hope that those crossings will be grade-seperated either by completion or in years closely following
Yes please! I don't some random person or car at the track obstructing the entire system
I’m pretty sure that’s the long term plan to grade separate the entire Caltrain corridor where feasible. The quad gates are temporary to allow increased train speeds and frequency sooner. It should be up to each city, not CAHSR or Caltrain, to do the grade separations in their city though. For crossings where grade separations aren’t feasible, like the concept video showing San Mateo station, I’d imagine they’ll either keep the quad gates or possibly close the road altogether.
Grade separations only benefit drivers. If they're going to pay billions for overpriced and unnecessary grade separations, it should be funded from Caltrans not out of HSRs budget. Grade separations are perfectly fine so long as they're engineered to be fail-safe. Our existing grade crossings are engineering failures because it's easy for cars to obstruct and collide with trains. Fail-safe crossing grades eliminate this point of failure by stopping oncoming trains automatically if the crossing grade gates don't close because of an obstructing vehicle.
it comes down to money, the project is funding-choked as is. eventully I'd also like to see the at-grade crossings eliminated
@@boyziggy I agree, take it out of the highway budget and not the HSR budget
Most HSR projects in Europe and Asia were over budget and delayed but their impact proved to be an amazing success. Keep going California!!
Part of that was the train company owning real estate/residential around stations to help return on funds and having places to go and retail immediately around it.
Construction of 1 mile Freeway & Rail cost around $20 Million in France. The same section in California can cost over $200,000 Million for the same 1 mile section. Let that sink in ;)
@@DJTheoSF your forgetting the part where France has had decades of rail infrastructure built in while the united states has extremely under invested in its transport infrastructure overall so obviously the costs will be higher but that doesnt change the fact that rail is a far better way of getting around large and small distances!
Most HSR projects in Europe were over budget and delayed but not in Asia. In fact, most China's HSR projects were not over budget and delayed and it counts as 2/3 HSR in the world and more than 90% in Asia.
@@DJTheoSF everything in America is more expensive . Also why do you care you are already paying for this in ur taxes. I think its better spending taxes on economy than dumping all of than into the military.
The Shinkansen bullet train was pivotal in turning Japan from a devastated postwar backwater to the economic powerhouse it is today. This is going to be _insane_ for Silicon Valley in particular-- imagine being able to go from San Jose to SF and back in one day without worrying about traffic or the security theater of the airports.
And when this connects to LA, I can't wait to ride north and back.
Wait until "the security theater of airports" finds its way to the train station.
The under 3 hours trip sounds really awesome! I’d be able to hop on in LA at 7am (I’d even be able to snooze for an hour or so, can’t do that while driving!) get to SF at around 10 am. Spend the whole day in SF, hop on the train at 7pm (have another snooze) and I’m back in LA at 10pm. Suddenly, a one day vacation to SF from SoCal is feasible!
@@sheepgarden999 Not gonna exist in your lifetime. Take Southwest.
The thing is, you can go from San Jose to San Francisco and back again in a day. It's called Caltrain.
@@paulantonio740 CalTrain is a commuter rail service, like the Long Island Railroad. People use CalTrain to then ride in these private company buses to their Silicon Valley job. CAHSR will an intercity high speed railroad that runs quickly in a couple of hours between SF and LA. For comparison, it takes that time on slow speed rail (LIRR) to go between Montauk and Penn Station. And the village of Montauk is a 3 hour drive from NY while LA is a 8 hour drive from SF.
Awesome work everyone! We are so close to being fully ready for construction and design being funded for Phase 1! All we need now is Palmdale to Burbank to be approved and then we are fully set. Really exciting times now that a ton of milestones for the system are just on the horizon! I am especially excited for the Track and Systems contract starting at the beginning of next year as well as the Trainset Acquisition contract sometime in 2023!
Lets get this done!
You make inteIligent and insightful comments which I always look forward to reading. Hopefully, I will share your enthusiasm someday.
@@davidjackson7281 No you won’t. You’re just an anti-rail troll who wants to cancel this project half-way.
@@TohaBgood2 Hey now, there's plenty of room for all of us here along with the opportunity for changing opinions. Pro-HSR Californians only outnumber Californians with negative perceptions by about 10% at last polling. There is a lot of disinformation going on against the project so if David is looking forward to reading AmpereBEEP's educational comments then more power to him!
@@brandonk9706 I would normally agree, but this is definitely just a troll not an actual person. He trolls under ever single CAHSR video. He even trolls in other languages! 😁😁😁
@@TohaBgood2 I always look forward to debating what I may disagree with you on and I love to call you out for your rude bully comments. Those that are afraid of free speech and fear open and civil discourse are acting like authoritarian, totalitarian communistic fascists who can only rely on insulting gaslighting tactics because they lack substantive reasoning.
Fun fact that I bet most Pro-HSR people like me know: SFO is one of 2 airport stations in phase 1 of CaHSR. The other is Burbank Airport. Anyways, all we need now is Palmdale to Burbank and ALL of Phase 1 is cleared for construction. LETS GO HSR
LA to Anaheim will be the last section cleared, by 2024. Phase 1 is SF-Anaheim, not just SF-LA.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc Thanks. Forgot for a second while writing it.
@@_PTS__1 no worries. So much of the focus is on SF-LA that Anaheim tends to get overlooked, and I’ve done that more than a few times. Anaheim is indeed on the Phase 1 system, and will be the only stretch that HSR will share tracks with a busy freight corridor.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc Hits harder to home as my grandfather on my dad’s side lives in Anaheim, and IDK how I forgot HSR is going to there.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc 🤓🤓🤓
Love it. Would love to see full grade separations as well, but we have to start somewhere. How can we improve the likelihood that this gets fully funded faster? The sooner this is finished, the sooner the rest of the US will start seeing the benefits of investment in HSR.
Elect a governor and a president that actually understands that our network of highways and automobile does more damage to the environment (not just earth but also poor communities) than what is being built right now. Roads and streets will always be a thing, but we should not be designing them for cars first, we should design them to serve everyone.
Make sure that republicans don't get control of our government
@@dkpqzm Political party is irrelevant. Plenty of Democrats and Republicans think that investing in road infrastructure is the way to go, but the reality is America is locked into driving by automobile clubs and the auto industry lobbying congress. They even made the term "jaywalking" widespread during the 1920s and to this day a lot of roads and streets and stroads are primarily designed for cars, not for people.
Build more housing around the rails. The density is way too low.
Nah this is a long distance mode of travel, there’s no point in having people live next to the tracks if the train is just gonna blow by them because the next stop is far away.
I agree that there should be high density near the stations tho. I’m sure that once the system is running, development surrounding the stations will follow.
@@E-damnn this corridor has local stops for Cal Train.
@@SpencerHeckwolf Sure, but his point still stands. You still want to build as much as possible at stations and probably don’t want any development miles and miles away from any stations in the middle of nowhere.
Dense housing should be a priority around major transit hubs that CalHSR will bring.
These stations could host, shopping, arts, food, and night life attractions. If the zoning around these stations is updated they could be huge economic areas along the corridor
@@TohaBgood2 Fairly sure his point is they should build more denser housing in general near transit stops and he is right.
love that as a part of this project Caltrain local service will also get a top speed of 110 mph. Not sure how much it'll be able to be sustained with the stop density, but what a nice upgrade.
Stop density is not really a problem for EMUs.
@@RTSRafnex2 another benefit to electrification then!
It's driven by electricity and the ac-/de-celeration will be larger.
BUILD! THAT! TRAIN!
Yeah! Brightline from LA to Miami! It'll be done first!
This is huge news! I really hope this gets completed, if it will, it will prove itself to be a massive success!
This will definitely be better for the economy, as people from the Central Valley (which is deeply impoverished) will be able to work in either San Francisco and Los Angeles, allowing them to escape poverty. You may call this a waste of funds due to its costs and delays, but every HSR project goes through these kinds of things. The reason they aren't talked about with existing HSR in Europe or Asia is because those systems proved themselves and made life more easier, allowing everyone to forget the troubles the projects those had to encounter.
The under 3 hours trip sounds really awesome! I’d be able to hop on in LA at 7am (I’d even be able to snooze for an hour or so, can’t do that while driving!) get to SF at around 10 am. Spend the whole day in SF, hop on the train at 7pm (have another snooze) and I’m back in LA at 10pm. Suddenly, a one day vacation to SF from SoCal is feasible!
"...Suddenly, a one day vacation to SF from SoCal is feasible!"
Keep dreaming! I've been hearing about this high speed train since 1996. I will be amazed if this SF-LA section completes anytime before 2040.
_Meanwhile, there's a much shorter trip you can do today (and has been available for the past 50 years)... a 45 MINUTE FLIGHT (as opposed to 3 hours by train) from LAX, Burbank, etc. to SFO, SJC OAK, etc._
and tickets would be cheaper 😀
@@toothlessseer3153 With the time spent to/from the airport, security, and waiting time at the airport, it is largely a wash - and HSR will in many cases come out on top.
@@toothlessseer3153 Don't forget the 1-2 hours advance wait at the airport and the inconvenience of going through security.
@@mccrearym Congrats to people of Superpower USA 🇺🇸 🎉🎉
We Indians are also building HSR with the help of Japan 🇯🇵.. we will be getting the E-5 Shinkansen 🚄
Great progress. Glad the many partners are cooperating to undertake a transformative project that will invigorate the many communities along its path. The Central Valley towns will evolve into more than agricultural economies thereby enhancing California’s economic and social resilience. Keep up the good work!
And this is the reason for the opposition to the project. Republican farmers don't want highly paid "left wing" tech workers from silicon valley moving to the central valley and commuting to work by HSR or even working remotely.
Progress ??? Are you NUTS ?? Follow the progress over the years and it will open your eyes !! Never mind that is how 3rd World operates and YES California is 3rd World !!
@@thetruthseeker2546 your comment is difficult to understand. Could you clarify?
@@davidlang1125 Which part is not comprehensible ???? Look at the progress of this project for over a decade, # of CEO's who have come and gone, how cost has literally sky rocketed, why the people changed their perception. Don't get me wrong the idea itself is brilliant specific to mass transit however execution 3rd world
@@dfirth224
It's doubtful that any tech worker would move into the central valley even with the HSR in place for commuting.
The more likely motivator for opposition is simply just resistance to change, arising from an internalized view of the state of the world into a sense of self and thus any changes or threats to those internalized sensibilities being interpreted as an emotional threat to oneself. We all do this to some extent, it's just that some of us can't or won't recognize this fear as irrational in the first place.
The latest video by City Nerd shows why CHSR is so needed th-cam.com/video/LlxohbiQG6Y/w-d-xo.html
Yes this was very eye opening. Air traffic is so saturated and weather is unpredictable for air travel. Alternate modes are a big plus for consumers!!
Thank you for the tour! Keep making videos guys
As a Californian and an American, I hope this project will bring High Speed trains to the U.S.!!! It is incredible that we have NO high speed trains. It is both ecologically important and a fast and wonderful way to get from Point A to Point B without driving!!!!
So great to hear this intro of high speed rail.
I love hsr and all trains , a major rail fan here I can’t wait for calis hsl!!!
So excited for this project!!
We need grade separation! I don't mind waiting a while longer, it needs to be safe!
Great work! Keep it going!
Looking good so far! Litterally can't wait for this, we're definatly overdue for highspeed rail.
So excited, can’t wait guys
This is fantastic. I can't wait to ride this.
I love how as HSR gets developed so does the rest of the rail infrustcture around it.
Build it faster! Full funding ahead is the best option from the state and federal gov; "cheaper" to build it and assume costs rather than count every penny and drag it on years and years longer.
Unfortunately I can't see us getting any significant federal funding; the northeast senators want all federal railroad funding to be directed to the Acela corridor and most senators from red states don't want to fund trains anywhere.
@@tim1724 from the state might still be helpful. California is a pretty heavy blue state
IMO, slow and steady wins the race in this case. It's much better to build a sustainable industry of rail construction workers so that when phase 1 is finished, phase 2 can begin, and then phase 3 and so on, and so that those same workers can move on to do continuous maintenance.
If you try to build too fast, you will have to pay a premium to train all new workers at the same time, and more will be out of a job when the job is complete.
The key will be to maintain a steady (or steadily increasing) stream of projects. After these initial rough years of creating that industry, we'll have a pool of skilled and experienced workers ready to build and maintain more and more high-speed rail.
@@tim1724 secede !!!!
Love this! Finally introducing CA to the 21st century. Need HSR to LAX from all directions. I see no reason that LA, SF Bay area couldn't have as efficient HSR as Tokyo. WE NEED IT!
There's a honking big mountain in the way! If you go twice as fast and go four times as far, this is a LOSS!
@@tonyburzio4107 this is a BOON
Support HSR!! 🙌🙌🙌
Please make it work! Super excited about the stop in San Mateo at 25th Ave. Game changer 😎
I love California High Speed Rail. 😮
Congrats!
ALL Major Projects (and Phases) should be this Informative & Timely!!
I love this so much!
One step closer to maybe being considered to possibly be "shovel-ready" for future hypothetical implementation!
Won’t believe it until I see it! Still years away!
Not years. Decades. In one of these other videos one of the administrators was even talking in terms of generations. Unfrickinbelievable.
@@DouglasLippi well that aged poorly
First section will most likely be done by the end of this decade
@@darthmaul216 lol. What, did someone make a new prediction? Cuz I know the trains aren't rolling in reality. Muni did finally get the stupid Central Subway running, so I guess anything is possible if you wait long enough and throw enough money at it. Only 14 years for 1.7 miles and 4 stations (one of which is redundant), and they actually made it worse if you used to take the T up the Embarcadero cuz it doesn't go there anymore. $1.9 billion. I guess it will provide more shelter for the junkies and nuts, so there's that. More places for them to piss and shit too. Cool stuff. Oh and the fun will really begin when the escalators break and people are forced to climb the longest staircase in the country.
Neat, as long as they're able to replace international airports, the pollution offset vs jets will be significantly less than a single plane flight vs a year+ of electrified rail
Existing airports are at capacity while the population is increasing. Nobody’s talking about removing airports.
@@spencerjoplin2885 One of the great things about HSR is that it eliminates a large portion of the ~120 flights per day that take place between LA and SF, freeing that space up for the interstate and international flights that are actually necessary.
@@AmpereBEEP not just that, takes 2-3 hours on average at the airport, of TSA, waiting, refueling, boarding, and heaven forbid it gets cloudy, windy, or starts sprinking because everything in the airport is at the mercy of mother nature
If the HSR promised LA to SF time is right, a single train more people moved average than a 3 airplanes can in a day, and a train leaving every 15-20 minutes
@@SplitScreamOFFICIAL Let's just hope that they can keep the ticket purchasing and boarding systems simple and convenient. I'd pay 2x as much as a flight to LA if it means avoiding all of that bullshit.
Much of the fuel used in flights is to take off and land. The actual length of the flight is less impactful. That means that the short haul flights that this will compete with are really what are being targeted and will significantly reduce emissions within the region. There are far fewer international flights than regional flights in California.
I believe this high speed rail will serve California well
About freaking time we see this in America!
Yes indeed. Awesome.
It would be interesting to know how many lives will be saved from all the upgraded grade separations. Seems like something they should be advertising more. I’m sure they also speed up traffic.
They are not eliminating at-grade crossings. That's why the top speed is only 110-mph.
@@douglasengle2704 Only in the City that the tracks have some crossings at grade, but for normal HSR, it is totally separated from all other traffic. When the speed of trains exceeds 180 km/h, none can escape being hit to death by the train, even he puts his ears to the track to feel the train.
Great to see
going to SF for a day, good food, shopping, boys, back home by 9pm, no driving, cant wait!
Aim high, go to LA day trip instead of SF.
Still waiting,,,,,
Well Im excited for this to be built, the question is when tho…
I can't wait to ride it. Very prod of CA when this is finally completed.
Excellent news.
Duuude, I loved everything until you said "38 at-grade crossings."
But I'm sure that the local governments and the high speed rail authority will work together to figure out how to get rid of all at-grade crossings.
@@ravib81 each one takes many years and some will be rejected by local communities as they tend to cause division.
Get California High Speed Rail and get California High Speed Rail now from San Francisco to Los Angeles and Anaheim and Sacramento to San Diego. 😮
i love you
life will be beautiful when you guys are done
Most of this is just modernizing and adding CalTrain track. This will be so cool once I move back to the Bay Area.
4:48 This is an example of public vs. private. In public you see quad-gates being invested in as part of the system vs. BRIGHTLINE where quad-gates are NOT installed and there are lot of dead cars and bodies to show for the lack of investment. It is why BRIGHTLINE trains still run as slow as they do (112 kph) because they keep hitting cars going around the gates. I don't recall Milton Friedman explaining this back in the 1980s or Mr. DeSantis either. Go CAL-Rail.
A private company just cares about profits. They don't have to pay out for collisions if they aren't at fault, so why would they make their system any safer than required by insurance/law? Governments answer to voters who tend to care more about deaths than profits.
which is Ironic since Brightline has gotten $$$ in grants from the FRA.
You also have to consider the high concentration of Florida Men in that region which Brightline ignored.
@@shitfuckmcgee8611 There is no way Bightline didn't consider the number of stupid drivers when dealing with crossings, after all, it is a significant reason why it isn't true HSR because they need to give time for people to gtfo the rail. There are just so many crossings that they don't want to invest in it, nor the company that actually owns the track want to invest in it.
People trying to go around rail gates is a very well-known thing, that at-grade crossings should be avoided where possible.
Thats nice but Brightline exists and CHSR is just a TH-cam video. Reply to me when CHSR finally gets completed in 2080. Maybe...
LET'S GOOO!!!
It sounds so wonderful. Too bad I wont be alive 100 years from now when it's completed.
Good thing then it won’t take that long
Neat! I'm glad to hear this. Of course, I'm curious why this sort of "blended system" wasn't used the entire length down to LA. There already are rails all the way between LA, SJ, SF, and SAC (Amtrak Coast Starlight, Amtrak Capital Corridor, etc). Shame they couldn't "share" with the other rail owners like UP and BNSF.
I could imagine the Problem lies in the nature of freigt railroads.
They have long and slow trains, which are difficult to cope with when operating HS-Rail. Also Freight trains often don't run on scedules, this makes coordinating scedules for the High Speed Trains very difficult and leads to delays (i.e. Passenger Train is suddenly stuck behind freight train). When copared to Caltrain, which has sceduled and (relatively) fast train services, it is a lot more feasable to do a "bleded system" on the caltrain corridor.
Also caltrain can profit a lot from these uprades, such as electrification and grade separations, while UP and BNSF probably could'nt care less about these topics.
To achieve high speeds safely to you need very good track conditions. Something that those other tracks don't have. HSR also needs really gentle curves something those alignments don't support and those tracks are already full.with freight traffic, your not going to get 200+ miles an hour out of those tracks the Caltrain tracks are also limited to 110 same for north east corridor.
@@kneonspace definitely this. Existing rails could not support the high speeds.
The freight carriers are the reason why Amtrak struggles
Could be they also wanted to connect more people. Fresno is the 5th biggest city in California, other Central Valley cities are quite big as well.
GRADE SEPARATE EVERY AT GRADE CROSSING!!!
You guys really need to improve public transit in America. It’s a catastrophe now. This project will improve the situation and set an example for the future.
Dont think you can have any HSR if you still have same level road crossings. Most HSR systems have their own tracks running above or with roads in tunnels below the tracks.
They didn't want the Amtrak to run faster than 45 MPH through my town in NC a few years back. They built two new bridges and closed a minor crossing as well as an important neighborhood one, making cars detour a mile down the road under that new bridge. It was funny to see people use their GPS or memory and put their blinker on for a turn that no longer exists. Now the Amtrak runs 10mph faster through there, going 55 MPH or so.
@@sandal_thong8631 That's not good enough for a high speed rail. At 250km a hour they can't stop.
@@neonboy99 A train's not stopping for a truck blocking the crossing at whatever speed it's going.
Let’s goooooooo!!!!!!
Go CAHSR! Make the anti-rail trolls wail with your successes!
How do you make $105 Billion then lol
@@bonk7754 Whats does $105 billion have to do with CAHSR? Is that the debunked made up budget number that you trolls are still trying to push? Wanna give me a source for that?
@@bonk7754 The US blew trillions on killing sand people and still lost the war, a few billion on an actually helpful project is nothing.
@@TohaBgood2 how would you get that big of a cap of money to pay off such a system? Its laughable if it can just only connect a small portion at a time even if promising a full system by 2020 lol.
@@bonk7754 Tell that to the Federal Highway Administration.
Does that Brisbane LMF sit ON the landfill or just adjacent to it? That would seem to be quite an engineering challenge if it overlaps the landfill.
Just glad to see much more positive feedback lately. It will get done, we just need patience.
Patience is always key
Wow...Los Angeles is seeing so much progress with this project, approved by the voters in 2008, you’ve completed NOTHING in Southern California. Just lots of plans and rights of way and property acquisition in the Central Valley for the Bakersfield Express. Who wants to go to Fresno? All Aboard... 🚂 You’re building this backwards and compromising constantly, it won’t be fast, it isn’t ready, it won’t be safe, it is so expensive that it isn’t fully funded, and therefore it won’t be ready for a long time. A project high jacked by special interests is now defying the will of the voters. High Speed Rail is now a Slow Speed Mess. Congratulations 🎉🍾🎈
The main problem is funding. The initial cost projections were vastly low-balled. All the other problems are fixable. Cost projections keep going up.
1. Trying to build HSR on existing rail infrastructure. Following freight train's rail is not built for high speed.
2. These people are trying to stop every small town in CA to increase the revenue and profit. This HSR supposed to connect between 2 major metropolitan cities (Los Angeles & San Francisco or Los Angeles & Sacramento) where the train can pick up 100s of passengers compare to just a few in small towns. You don't see airlines pick up every passengers in every small towns. Why with HSR?
3. We shouldn't say and define as HSR when the train is keep on accel - brake - accel - break -accel - brake - accel - brake - accel - brake - accel - brake - accel - brake due to stopping at every small town along this structure/route.
4. Remember: Chinese people (people from outside of United States) built existing United States Interstate system and railroads.
5. Airlines and car companies lobbied hard to make sure that HSR doesn't get built.
@@youngchu1638 2. Because that's ultimately how trains operate. Airplanes are very good at flying but takeoff and landing sucks for them whereas trains are much better in changing speeds, though how much depends on the model (the powercar based TGVs are built for sustained speeds unlike the Velaro which is an EMU and better in changing speeds). Stops in "small" towns (with "small" being relative here) are much more economical compared to airplanes. In fact, the Shinkansen, the first proper high speed railway, has a relatively high stopping density with many stops being spaced around 25 km apart though obviously not all trains are going to serve them (neither will CAHSR, for that matter).
As a railfan I hate to be a naysayer. I am not sanguine there will ever be HSR extensively in California. Currently you cannot get from LA to San Francisco by train without changing trains and moving by intermodal means (bus). Let Amtrak fix that first.
At the end of the day HSR has proved to be prohibitively expensive with projected ridership being so low that huge fair subsidies will be needed. I would love to see HSR from LA to SFO but I am not optimistic it will happen for decades and decades.
Now it's time to get started on construction
I am worried that the maximum allowed "cant", (aka the banking or "superelevation" of the curves for a turn) is going to unnecessarily increase costs of these kinds of projects, because of the increased land acquisition costs, structure costs, and other project related costs, in order to maintain the maximum possible speed of the trains (with a lower cant, the track alignment needs to be straighter in order to go faster, but if the cant is higher, the train can make turns in a curve at a higher speed). Are there any technical specifications for the projects that show this information?
The FRA has very outdated regulations that specify a notoriously low maximum allowed cant of 3" (about 5% of gauge width), whereas the rest of the world has a maximum allowed cant of 10%-12% (5-7 inches for standard railroad gauge width). A lower cant is really only necessary for when there is much slower freight traffic. Are the high speed sections of the rails still adhering to the FRA's ancient standards, or is it using something more contemporary?
It's already done. the minimum radius shall be 2500 m to 3000 m in difficult conditions (speed to be reduced), and the radius in normal conditions is 5000 m (400 km/h).
@@CN_SFY_General But what is the super elevation of the curves? Please don’t tell me you’re adhering to crack pipe smoking FRA standards. If so, this project is doomed.
@@WheelerLaw I worked 30 years in Railways. Superelevation is a parameter linked with speed, curvature. You design the track at a specific speed, then the speed over this speed or under this speed will have the superelevation insufficient or too much. The trains must pass through the curve with a speed within a certain range. You never be able to design a track works well for both high speed and low speed. In addition, trains travelling with large speed difference makes the tracks not very efficient even if the track is straight (0 to maximum speed will be fine in straight tracks).
after this is all done, everyone will be so jealous
Ok I lolled. Thanks!
This project gets a lot of flak, but California’s strength has always been a willingness to try new things, even if they seem a bit wacky. Glad the voters approved this in 2008.
@@ezyryder11 there's nothing at all wacky about a fast train from SF to LA. The flack comes from the glacial speed of implementation and massive cost overruns. It's ironic how slowly they build a fast train 🤣
Correct me if I'm wrong, Indonesia has launch the world's first high-speed railway established in the Southern Hemisphere, named Whoosh!
Grade crossings for high-speed rail is a mistake. They should be separated by bridge or tunnel, even if it means driving a mile or so detour. I've been watching Florida high-speed rail where people (including police!) ignore the crossing arms and lights to cross and get hit by trains. If you must have grade-crossings then the road should be one-way so no one goes around the arm. Also, there should be barriers that come out of the road (like at security checkpoints) to prevent cars and trucks from crashing through the arm to get on the tracks.
"Florida high speed rail" you're having a laugh, if you think Brightline is high-speed
Why the many grade crossings?
Because the NIMBYS on the route kept suing to block grade separations and passing tracks. The Atherton billionaires almost killed electrification too!
@@TohaBgood2 Well said. Good knowledge.
When this line opened Lincoln was president. Nobody thought of grade separations. Then along came the auto and roads started crossing the railroad all over the place. The railroad was there first but nobody thought of grade separating the new roads from the existing railroad. Over the years some have been done and some roads have been closed. It will probably take another fifty years and a few hundred NIMBY lawsuits before the job is finished.
@@danielcarroll3358 Well said. You make good points. I believe the safety record won't mimick Brightline's issues.
39 at grade crossings for an HSR!? solve this soon plz.
Already solved. Some have already been removed. Many more will be removed. The rest will get quad gates to seal the right of way when trains pass. It’s standard practice and it works.
Hopefully in time we get more money for grade separations and remove all of them. But to get the system running this is more than enough!
Choo choo!
I don't see this project nearing completion in the next 20 or 30 years. Whats going on in the Valley should be investigated
Business as usual. Govt makes a pitch to voters based on lies and exaggerations. Voters are stupid and agree to it. Govt delivers *something* eventually, but not even close to the original pitch and exponentially over budget. Repeat.
maby they can use and take the old train tracks lying in the ground in marina to monterey into pacific grove as a resource
Pray for this essential proyect. To be completed in record nanotime
I really hope with the opposition to this project doesn’t stop it
It's San Fran of course theres going to be opposition.
@@ee-ef8qr I know there’s going to be I was wondering if San Francisco can stop at
What's an extra 400 billion? We already throw money like that at boondoggle green projects. Why not I t another 400B fir an I there boondoggle. Illegals & homeless could use it(no charge of course) to relocate to greener pastures.
Yay 😁
lets goooooo
2:34 No grade separation and running at top speed of 110 miles an hour is ludicrous.
There have been already so many car and pedestrians accidents at rail road crossing.
There are problems that need to be dealt with:
1) CAHSR refuses to commit to level boarding. Caltrain uses double decker trains, which have low entry stairs. CAHSR appears to be taking over the Gilroy to SF section (except, it has to accomodate Union Pacific freight), with Caltrain being an afterthought.
2) Caltrain kills about 12 people per year. Grade separations (which reduce pedestrian access to the tracks) should be a mandate.
3) The Millbrae mess needs to be fixed. BART got there first, and is in-the-way of good HSR service. The SFO People Mover should be extended to CAHSR, and the BART-SFO link ended.
4) There is no rational fix to the Salesforce Tower SF mess. End of the line, no through-running, choke point on access tracks, choke point in built/unused/brand-new pedestrian access to the Salesforce platforms. The SF estimate to bring Caltrain to Salesforce is $6 BILLION for 2 miles of track. The cost of implementing the Central Valley HSR connection to San Jose is high, the cost of connecting to San Francisco is astronomical.
5) The Sierra Club strong-armed Sacramento into eliminating a station at Los Banos, becase it would make HSR too-convenient for daily commuting from the Central Valley to Silicon Valley. The Club isn't interested in HSR as transporrtation, it considers HSR only to be a political tool.
Who will make it to Diridon first? BART or high speed rail
Bart hands down.
BART is actually funded and under construction. CAHSR is not.
@@DouglasLippi Great to see your comments.
@@davidjackson7281 funny thing... I did unsubscribe again, but this video just popped up in my feed. It was destiny that I continue to bless this channel with my flawless logic and reason 🤣
This is the way
I pray for California High Speed Rail.
I can't wait for this thing to open. It's a wonderful system to have and I wish more states had similar projects. But I have one qualm...
You're going to have at grade crossings for an HSR system??? You'd have to put the barriers down way it advance for that system to work safely, and you'd probably still have accidents. Why go through all the trouble of building these viaducts (which I believe is necessary and good) but then have ancient at grade crossings????
The grade crossings are on the upgraded 110 mph classic tracks for 43 miles south of San Francisco, not on the HSR.
LET'S F**KING GOOOO
Sorry guys but we'll never see Jerry's train set come to fruition in the near future. And the promise of going to San Jose from San Francisco is a comedy in action. They talked about BART encircling the Bay back in the 1970s and it still hasn't reached San Jose 52 years later so let's not get our hopes up yet besides California needs MAJOR power grid upgrades to power all of Gavin's great adventure EVs before something like this happens. While the idea sounds fantastic look at how badly this project has stalled in the Central Valley and then image all of the problems they're going to have trying to run this through a major population center. Personally I'd be happy if they just gave me 10% of what this video cost them!
Hilariously, BART opened up their Berryessa / North San Jose station a year or so before your comment. High-speed rail construction is moving along fine in the Central Valley - we just need to get it done and have the system up and running asap!
@@bryanlee3641That was i was about to say & The Japanese First HSR had the same problems as well yet they opened in 1964
What are you going to do with all the garbage under those big dirt mounts for the Brisbane LMF, garbage doesn't exactly compost. That said, I really do hope I can go from SF to LA before I qualify for the senior fare price, and I really do hope the price is comparable to a plane ticket (and not a last minute high priced plane ticket)
An amazing project and I can't wait to ride the finished product but why are there at grade crossings!? That's madness!
It’s actually fine to have slower sections, even with protected grade crossings in urban areas where there are multiple stops. That’s standard practice for most HSR lines.
But CAHSR actually did want a 4-track trade separated railway here. The NIMBYS successfully blocked all of it, including the passing tracks. They almost killed electrification too!
The fact that this is getting built at all despite all those billionaires in Atherton suing is a friggin miracle in and of itself!
This corridor was built in the mid-1800s and hasn't been changed much since
More routes… what happen to the first part? When they going to be finished? 😅
How long does it take from San Jose to San Francisco by this high-speed train?
👏👏👏👏👏
What would a rush hour timetable look like?
How about a 4 lane road to Tahoe (hw50) And a 4 lane road through Tahoe pioneer trail. 7 hours last winter to get from placerville to South Lake Tahoe for commuters through 2 lane roads. But we need a light rail that will be never be done. Crazy horse will probably finish before this project. California is a huge state not easy to manage but there are certainly areas that could use some infrastructure resources. Especially one that sees more traffic per year than the Grand Canyon. Maybe some of that gas tax they keep raising. Other states seem to be doing okay without it and roads aren’t as bad. What do we pay taxes for now? Roads are included?
Well, it's exciting to hear that this will be almost as fast as a steam train.
No, really, I'm actually excited for this despite the disappointing constraints it needs to fight.
it has to be done, when this project is done, it'll make great sucess and change the nation for more HSR.
It'll cement Brightline as the future, that's for sure!
No steam train went 200 miles an hour. One went 125 but that was on the East coast
@@darthmaul216 Ah, did I get my units mixed up? 200 mph is a good speed by modern standards. 200 km/h was the limit of steam.
I really hope this section is ready to allow for high-speed rail services Long before the project starts because this section should be easy to implement.
Few of us watching this will live long enough to ride this.
They really need to consider a grade separation on the peninsula. In Burlingame alone I hear about four or five collisions a year with vehicles. Now imagine with a train coming 150 miles an hour and what that’s gonna shut down when you have commuters, trying to get home to Gilroy or Merced every day.
fingers crossed.
With so many competing agencies and overlapping authorities, what could possibly go wrong?
Wait there’s already a train from San Jose to SF
There’s always been a train from SF to San Jose! It’s been there since the Gold Rush.
And it actually runs all the way down to Gilroy and is being extended to Salinas further south.
@@TohaBgood2 caltrain right?
@@Helpme9283 Yep.
it would be cool if the train went near monterey down to los angeles and slowly eastward
There are plans to extend the Caltrains service from Gilroy to Monterey, so you could transfer from the HSR station in Gilroy onto Caltrain. Lookup, ‘Monterey County Rail Extension’
They say "no emissions" -- have they gotten enough solar and wind power installed yet to accomplish this?