Salesforce Transit Center ready to serve as northern hub for high-speed rail
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- Adam Van de Water, who runs the Salesforce Transit Center in San Francisco, spoke with the California High-Speed Rail Authority about restaurants, trains and transit in the Bay Area.
Getting closer to a brighter future! This project still has my continued support.
Recently announced the cost to extend the line 1.7 miles is now $8.2 B. Great job San Francisco.
Well said. California High Speed rails vision and future is beyond incredible. Let’s get the fed on board!!
Just pay for it using your own state's money. Have it done.
Go California High-Speed Rail.😮
The station will become so important when the tunnel under the Bay happens. We could see commuter trains going up to Sacramento!
I'd be happy just to see any actual rail connection of any kind to the TBT before I die of old age.
and then the earthquake hit and no one cared anymore
You mean expanding the capitol corridor to SF? But having grown up and living in the bay area for many years it will be a boondoggle, cost way more than needed and be a half assed project the fares will be expensive for the service and most of those fighting for it will never actually use it. So glad I left that area, enjoy smelling your own farts
yeah by like 2068.
They should send HSR under the bay to Sacramento and Caltrain north to connect with SMART.
I wish they would focus more on a second transbay tunnel connecting the existing Caltrain SF terminus to Oakland. A second transbay tunnel would have a larger impact on transit than the short distance to the Salesforce Transit Center.
Interesting that so much emphasis is put on SF and the Salesforce Transit Center as NorCal’s transit hub, when in reality it’s really San Jose that’s the NorCal transit hub. STC serves SF and East Bay buses and Caltrain, and is within walking distance to the Embarcadero BART station, while San Jose Diridon serves Caltrain, Amtrak, ACE, and someday BART as well as HSR, in addition to local Silicon Valley transit. San Jose is to NorCal what LA is to SoCal, it’s where most of the region’s transit all meets, and is therefore the logical hub for statewide HSR. That all said, HSR has to go to SF because it was promised in Prop 1A to deliver the nonstop 2 hour 40 minute SF-LA trip.
aren't the salesforce buildings like... sinking? i'm a little surprised no one has yet talked publicly about how that will effect the station
@@russella90 - the whole project is timed such that, when the lower level tunnels are complete, the upper levels will have sunk down to meet them; bam, everything on one level. it's called planning, look it up.
@@andrethib hahaha
Chris, the STC is in reality a glorified $2 Billion bus station with a rooftop park. It cost twice the estimate and took twice as long to build. Caltrain terminates 2 miles before at 4th & King as it has since the 19th century. You are, otherwise, absolutely correct. I do not wish to split hairs nor appear as a rude knowitall. I respect you and thought you may like to know. The last guesstimate is it would cost $8 Billion and a decade to connect with a tunnel.
I love watching these CAHSR 'long-range vision' public relations videos. I am highly sceptical that the TJPA is on the 'precipice of securing a federal funding grant' anytime soon. It would be competing against the $8 Billion fed grant CAHSR is idealistically hoping to get to complete the IOS.
Ironically, since covid, public transit ridership in the Bay Area has dropped by about 40% for a lot of transit agencies. When the covid fed subsidies expire in two years they are going to be in deep financial straits. Downtown San Francisco is extremely dead now. Recovery to even 2019 activity seems doubtful for a long, long time.
It sounds like they think they can do this project by around 2035 however CAHSR would merely deadend in San Jose until it is connected to Merced in God knows when. In other words, CAHSR would be to Caltrains as Acela is to the NEC regional trains. A bit faster for 50 miles because of less stations stops. Sorry if I may come across like a Debbie Downer. Chris, I hope you are surviving this rainy winter in SoCal safe and sound.
@@davidjackson7281 thank you for your concern. We aren’t getting hit by the rains nearly as hard as NorCal is.
I do think STC has the potential to be not just a major transit hub for buses, Caltrain and HSR, but also a destination in and of itself with the park and shops, or just to stand in the Grand Hall. It certainly seems to be being prepared for that.
Once CAHSR reaches Gilroy, it’ll continue up electrified Caltrain tracks to San Jose and SF. HSR will terminate at 4th and King until the STC is ready for trains, which ideally will be right before HSR arrives. My guess is given STC has half the tracks and platforms of 4th and King, that most Caltrains will continue to go to 4th and King while only a few, probably Baby Bullets, go to STC along with all the HSR trains. It wouldn’t surprise me though if some HSR services from LA only go as far as San Jose, to avoid congesting the Caltrain line which should have increased service with the EMUs.
Completing the IOS in the Central Valley is the highest priority for getting HSR operational ASAP. Then the focus will turn to getting to San Jose and SF before heading south to LA. CAHSR’s estimate in 2022 was $19.6 billion for Merced to San Jose, but that’s also arguably their most important segment because once Silicon Valley is connected to the Central Valley with HSR, it’ll make travel between those considerably faster as well as statewide travel, even with a bus between Bakersfield and LA, faster than driving. Plus getting NorCal connected with HSR should greatly increase the push to get it to Palmdale and LA ASAP.
Planning ahead, yes. It is all too easy to call any forward-looking project a boondoggle. Without planning and investment, the California economy will grind to a halt. Let's make the process more efficient, to be sure.
The tunnels for the STC extension should realistically be a low priority, particularly given that it doesn't have a BART station.
Get the funding in place to complete the initial operating segment, then get the funding to extend from the IOS to SJ and LA so that there will be enough ticket sales and enough cars taken off the roads to make the whole thing worthwhile.
Then choose which to do next - the tunnels to STC, or extending to Sacramento.
The project has independent justification of the CaHSR program for Caltrain. Most trips on Caltrain include a trip on Muni once people get into San Francisco, since 4th and King is kind of far from from actual demand centers in the city.
The STC tunnel will be built and funded by TJPA, not CAHSR. 4th and King will be modified to accommodate interim HSR service until STC is ready for trains, whenever that will be. CAHSR’s funding is going toward finishing the Central Valley then getting to SJ and SF before going to LA and Anaheim.
I do agree though that the funding priority should be getting to SJ and LA, but once HSR reaches San Jose (and really Gilroy) it’ll reach SF on the existing Caltrain line which is being electrified and will be extended south to Gilroy to hopefully meet HSR when it arrives there sometime in the 2030s. San Jose and LA are California’s two biggest transit hubs, and linking those two with HSR will have the biggest impact and therefore should take the highest priority.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc no tunnel is being built or has any kind of funding whatsoever
@@lespaulranger it’s not currently being built, but it’s planned and will start construction once funding is found, which TJPA is actively seeking. When it starts construction, and thus when it finishes and opens, depends on when sufficient funding is attained and can be put to work.
It depends on how big a priority it is. The bigger a priority, the sooner it’ll be funded, the sooner construction starts and the sooner it’s finished and opens.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc Yeah I get that's how these projects go. Just pointing out that your statement of "The STC tunnel is being built" can be construed that the pesky issue of money has already been dealt with
Salesforce transit center might just be one of the most pleasant bus terminals in the world
It has a trainbox and the tunnel from 4th and King is in the process of getting built.
And yes, it is an incredible building and a surprisingly gorgeous park! Great addition to the cityscape.
"in the process of getting built" lol. Another deceiving choice of bs language that is a typical gaslighting misstatement.
rode the rail in Japan..was freaking awesome y'all need to get this thing done
It's a lot easier to justify in Japan, man. FAR greater population density, and since it's a thin elongated island, the cities are in a nice convenient line, fairly close together.
Whereas CAHSR connects a relatively dense place (SF) with a city that has very little density (LA) at a very far distance (380 miles/611 km). The USA is much larger, and the population density of the USA is far lower. If SF and LA were 200 miles (321 km) apart and were far denser, we probably would have built HSR between the two long ago.
What makes a lot more sense is upgrading the average speed of Amtrak California. I very much support that. It's being done as we speak, over time with existing budgets. It's so cheap that there's no need to go to the people for more funding.
@@neutrino78xfunny. That also describes many places in the us. Like California
@@darthmaul216
"unny. That also describes many places in the us. "
Are you smoking crack?????
We have nowhere near the population density of Japan.
" Like California"
The two densest cities on the west coast are San Francisco and Vancouver BC. SF is roughly the population density of London.
Los Angeles...........is not.
@@neutrino78xLA has the Same Density as Milan but Milan has 3 High Speed lines & There are 3 HSR lines that have a Same Distance of Longer than CAHSR between S.F - LA
@@JermaniBurroughs
"LA has the Same Density as Milan but Milan has 3 High Speed lines "
They are not internal to Milan, genius. Nobody uses HSR internally in a city. Those HSR lines go to other cities OF EUROPEAN DENSITY that are less than 200 miles away.
Los Angeles has trains going to San Diego and north to San Jose, and an internal light rail system, some of which is underground, and an extensive bus system.
" 3 HSR lines that have a Same Distance of Longer than CAHSR between S.F - LA"
No there isn't. SF to LA is 380 miles or 611 km. In fact, because of the stupid choices of CAHSRA, it's 500 miles.
The closest thing in Europe is Madrid to Barcelona. But that's only 293 miles, and each city is far denser than Los Angeles.
I dn'tcare what the first section in operation will be. I would buy a ticket today.
I'd like to ride it before I die please
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I want California High-Speed Rail.😮
I pray for California High-Speed Rail.😮
I pray for California.
Build California High-Speed Rail and build California High-Speed Rail now from San Francisco to Los Angeles and Anaheim and Sacramento to San Diego.😮
They're doing that lmao Chill.
Yes! California people, please just pay for it and have it done!
I seriously doubt San Diego will ever get a connection. Or at least not in my lifetime.
Get California High-Speed Rail and get California High-Speed Rail now from San Francisco to Los Angeles and Anaheim and Sacramento to San Diego.😮
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Excellent Morgan! so great to see you in your role. Thanks for this up-to-date info. cheers to you!
Finish California High-Speed Rail.😮
I think the discussion went off on an unneccessary tangent about their appearances. She does a good job conducting the interview. She did very well in another video as well. I checked out Adam's resume and he may well be the right person to actually help bring this project to fruition.
Lol, you troll under every single CAHSR video. Anything you say is automatically viewed with suspicion. You've lied too many times.
I think you might like Brightline more. They lie all the time too!
@@TohaBgood2
"Anything you say is automatically viewed with suspicion. You've lied too many times."
Bro there's no lying here.
Project management stated 100 billion to complete Phase 1.
Governor said there is no path to 100 billion.
Therefore, Merced to Bakersfield is it for the foreseeable future.
@@neutrino78x This is complete nonsense. Your musings do not constitute facts. Facts are facts!
@@TohaBgood2
"This is complete nonsense."
I'm afraid not. He said in that in the state of the state address.
btw the Mercury News wrote, on January 21, 2023,
"Federal Transit Administration recently rejected a $1.3 billion funding request from the California High-Speed Rail Authority. The FTA determined that the project was not cost-effective"
That was from an article entitled "New $6.7 billion price tag makes Caltrain’s SF extension among costliest in the world"
lmao.
I'm not saying Merced to Bakersfield won't be completed. I simply said what the Governor said, that Merced to Bakersfield is it for the foreseeable future.
@@neutrino78x Lol, you're quoting the Mercury News's most anti-rail reporter. They are not considered an objective source due to their over pro-car stance.
Since when are the words of a dilletante reporter gospel?
Terminal stations are poor value. The Salesforce Transbay terminal needs it's basement tunnels extended under the bay and then to Sacramento, Carson City and Reno. In the south of the state, the HSR line should be extended to a terminal on the US side of the border opposite the Tijuana airport. Unlike other US-Mexico border posts, it would be pedestrian only.
How is it "ready" when the tunnel to 4th and King hasn't been built? The title makes no sense and is directly contradicted by the content.
Agree 100%.
Lucid, you constantly try to troll CAHSR but claim that you're not an anti-rail troll. If you actually believe that then look at the person who agreed with you. They are an anti-rail troll, and they agree with you "100%".
What does that tell you about the effects of your advocacy? Would you agree that you at the very least have the same positions and the same criticisms as the anti-rail crowd?
@@TohaBgood2
"Lucid, you constantly try to troll CAHSR but claim that you're not an anti-rail troll."
Extremely amusing that he banned me from commenting on one of his videos because I said something was a "stupid idea" and he thought I was calling the person stupid and being a troll or something.
But if he's against CAHSR he's right to be against it, it's a waste of money
@@TohaBgood2That was a seriously hilarious remark. Gotta love your perspective, albeit consistently rude, on every topic.
@@neutrino78x Lucid Stew is by no means against the building of CAHSR. The issue is the funding gap which he has expertly pointed out.
I love California High-Speed Rail.😮
Let’s go California High-Speed Rail.😮
You must work for them.
The Salesforce Terminus... instead of being a Terminus, construct it as the Salesforce Station... this would involve making the connecting tunnel portals from termination to be Through tunnels that have the railway split into a Y with the left leg going North towards Sausalito and onwards to Portland/Vancouver and the right leg to cross the bay to Oakland, Sacramento and onward services to Portland to north and Reno etc to East...
Terminus stations have excessively LONG Dwell Times! As a through station there can be a CAHSR trainset stopping at each platform every three minutes (20+ tph - trains per hour).
This idea shouldn't cost much.
This will be great for non car owners or for those considering going car free
BUILD it! Thank you guys.
Yes and yeah California High-Speed Rail.😮
Making it the terminal is a very poor decision. There are only six tracks and both Caltrain and HSR need at least 4 for the capacity they want. The DTX tunnel project is also ludicrously expensive and has a high opportunity cost. The several billions of dollars for the short two mile tunnel could be spent in many different ways. Considering how much cheaper building Muni subways is, a Muni line almost three times the length could be built for the same cost.
The transit center was also CLEARLY not designed with high speed rail in mind, given that the current plan is to LENGTHEN the building to accommodate the estimated train length. If the tunnel and station actually are completed, the station should only serve Caltrain given it’s capacity and size constraints. The HSR trains should still terminate at 4th and King.
They should totally redevelop the area around the current 4th and King station to make the area more hospitable and improve connections to other neighborhoods with Muni. DTX doesn't make sense anymore and the money would be better spent towards a second transbay tunnel.
@@TheFreddyKim there's already a light rail right there at 4th and king that takes you within a five minute walk of salesforce, yet another reason why it's stupid
Tbh Caltrain & CAHSR serving Salesforce TC is like The New Haven RR & The LIRR going to New york Pennsylvania Station.
Did you know that in normal countries, public transit centers don't bear such corporate branding?
San Francisco stopped being normal 60+ years ago.
@@davidjackson7281 So you think it was "normal" during the era of segregation? 💀
Some think of it as the SF (as in San Francisco) Transit Center.
@@akariel123boo-hoo
The Amtrak bus from Emeryville dumps you of at night off of Mission. No signage to direct you to other transit services. GG Transit lurks in a creepy, not well lit alley . Not where a solo traveler wants to be. The SF tower is a far second to the convenience of the original Trans-Bay Terminal.
This will make Salesforce Transit Center the Penn Station of the Bay Area.
That’s not a good thing. Penn Station is awfu;
I’m interested travel with others on the weekdays Weekends
Over 60B already spent with not one mile tract laid. Meanwhile, Gavin Newsom and the CEOs of the construction companies involved in the high speed rail project are already multi millionaires.
The building is a $2 B bus station farse.
Wow. 2 lies, congratulations
@@darthmaul216Correct. The building cost $2.5 billion and it's still not ready for primetime trains. Not even for Caltrain which has been serving SF for over 150 years. That's right a route that has been two miles short for 150 years. How about that? Yikes!
those shiny pants!
Right! Lmao
You have excellent taste in clothing. ^w^
You are full of intelligent comments today.
Part of her skirt is too, but WHY pair it with that nice blouse and jacket?! I wonder if they coordinated. Their colors match nearly exactly other than the cream color on her blouse.
I'm stoked about the train, but why is the salesforce station a thing?
this is awesome. I'll finally be able to visit my family every month easily. Now if only my mileage points can be used on trains and other transit options
For now it's only a white elephant $2.5 billion bus station until $7 billion is spent on a tunnel decades from now when the building is 25 rundown years old.
@@davidjackson7281That would be barely a drop in the bucket for the amount of commerce a high speed mass transit will generate, just look at the airline industry. Just the Boeing 787 alone cost $22 billion to develop
They've turned a 7 year project into a 70 year project.
What are you even talking about, bud? This is an SF city project that is only now starting construction. They were always going to take a while to gather up the money to build the tunnels. This is exactly what everyone expected.
You people need to get off the right wing crack pipe. The fantasy world you hear about on Faux "News" is not real. It only exists in Hannity's brainless head.
If by saying project you mean boondoggle then yes, they sure have.
I love trains and California
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lmao this is from SFCTA's web site.
(begin quote)
"2018-2019
Transbay Joint Powers Authority and Federal Transit Administration provided local and federal environmental approvals. (The Pennsylvania Avenue Extension will be the subject of a separate subsequent environmental review process.)
2020
Transportation Authority allocated half-cent sales tax funds to the Transbay Joint Powers Authority to support development work for the project.
Early 2030s
Transbay Joint Power Authority completes project, pending funding."
(end quote)
Scheduled for 15 years....to dig a 1.5 mile tunnel.
Never going to happen lmao.
It's so silly, you can literally walk from 4th and King to Salesforce faster than a train would get there. It's like a 20 minute walk. Well Google Maps says 25 minutes.
Plus there's already light rail that goes there, you can literally cross the street from 4th and King and you'll be at the light station that goes there. Well a five minute walk from there. lmao so silly. God only knows how they're going to tear up 4th and King....that's a huge rail yard, too, far more functional than salesforce would be.
Far cheaper option, just run a gondola. You have to close it and replace it with a bus in inclement weather.
Has there been a study, I mean, how many people are actually going to salesforce? When I get off at 4th and King to go to Metreon, there's typically a crowd of maybe 20 people with me, of course it gets smaller as I walk. They're probably going to eliminate the more functional 4th and king station to run trains into salesforce.
This boondoggle was never about functionality. Just a vehicle to bilk California taxpayer out of billions of dollars for as long as possible. Would anyone have voted for this if they had said it was going to first connect Fresno and Bakersfield? Or cost in the hundreds of billions of dollars?
Funny because it is happening sheep
@@norwegianblue2017that’s highways sheep
@@darthmaul216
"Funny because it is happening sheep"
Not beyond Merced to Bakersfield, sorry.
btw I'm a lifelong centrist Democrat. Obama yes, Schwarzenegger yes, Bernie Sanders fuck no.
A gondola to the edifice's rooftop garden is an elegant and brillant cost effective solution.
But the high-speed rail is not ready to serve Salesforce Transit Center...
Why not the existing train station
Too far from a gargantuan amount of office and housing development Downtown. Also, if extended to Salesforce it would have a serviceable BART transfer via a short tunnel. It just doesn't make sense to terminate Caltrain or CAHSR at 4th and King station. The trains in SF always went downtown. The whole city has been built around that concept since the early 1900s.
They will be using the current Caltrain station initially, but will eventually build a connection to the salesforce center because it’s much closer to downtown San Francisco and other transit connections to places across the bay
That would make too much sense
@@metrofilmer8894 "ut will eventually build a connection to the salesforce center "
not if the people get to vote on it. It's up to 7 billion now, apparently.
Wikipedia says, in their article "Downtown Rail Extension":
"In October 2018, the San Francisco City Council voted no-confidence on the TJPA and suspended funds for Phase 2 of the construction project.[9]"
lmao good on them, good on them.
@@neutrino78x What makes you think that the same voters that never support your party would all of a sudden decide to be Republicans? I'm asking this seriously. What exactly do you think would happen different this time that didn't happen the last 100x times we did these types of votes?
San Diego would like it to not take just as long to get from SD to LA as it will take from LA to SF :\
SD to LA should be upgraded to an average speed of 80 mph like Brightline. That would reduce the trip time from three hours to one and a half hours.
You need too many directors and can't even get a short 119 miles done in 14 years. High level of incompetency for an advanced economy in comparison with Asian countries.
Lol, yeah, let's just ignore the thousands of Republican lawsuits to slow down this project and increase costs. We'll pretend that those never happened 😁😁😁
@@TohaBgood2OK
What a pity train won’t run there via HSR for years! 😞😖
Decades
Stop focusing so much on the job numbers, that's not what most people care about. Emphasize that people will not need to drive our go to the airport, and the air quality will be improved by removing cars from the road.
Spare us the bullshit. The whole project is a dud. You conned San Francisco into a transit center that sits unused and scaled down, all to build a project from Bakersfield to Merced. REALLY ? ? I'd rather have built a Heliport and just flown from downtown to downtown.
Lol, this transit center was built to replace the regional bus hub a few blocks east. It was always supposed to be 50% or more busses. That's the whole point of building it - so that they could tear down the old bus terminal.
Seriously, it's like you right wingers are all toddlers. Do you honestly think that we don't know what that giant multi-block building downtown is in our own city? They literally asked us for the money and we approved it in a referendum!
We fly anyway, SJC to Burbank, quick 1 hour flight 🙂 I'm proud I voted no, did you vote no???
Spring 2045 is the earliest this will happen. Realistically, Fall 2052. I'll be eighty-three years old when I'm attending the ribbon cutting ceremony via virtual reality implants.
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Where did you get those fake numbers from?
@@TohaBgood2 I'm fifty-four today.
@@Urbanhandyman Where did you get you fake numbers from? They don't appear on any planning documents or even third party estimates?
Did you just make them up yourself or did you get them from some right wing rag like the Epoch Times?
lmao I would be surprised if it ever gets done. (both DTX and CAHSR)
Note that the people have yet to vote on DTX. Unfortunately I live in Silicon Valley so unless Santa Clara County has to vote on it because we're part of the Joint Powers Board, then I won't get a vote.
If I ever see it on the ballot, my vote would be no (on dtx).
I proudly voted no on CAHSR despite being a lifelong centrist Democrat.
@@neutrino78x Your vote is "no" on everything. You just want to continue living in the dark ages and paying for yet another multi-billion dollar highway that will never make a red cent.
Who cares how you would vote if no one agrees with you?
Sell the entire CAHSR system to a private company like Brightline and the entire damn network will be serving passengers by 2025, plus it won't cost 1 billion dollars per mile to build the tracks!
Brightline is privately owned but publicly funded. Their last three projects were 90% or more taxpayer funded. They're asking for "at least 50%" of the money for Brightline West to come from the government. And this before they even started digging!
You need to get a clue. Corporate propaganda is almost always not true.
nah man, brightline, unlike california hsr, doesn't have their head up their ass. If they were going to build an HSR line they would go down the median of I-5, so they don't have to buy new land.
There is a lot of merit to that statement.
@@davidjackson7281
"There is a lot of merit to that statement."
Nah, the problem with this is that the French and Japanese already told CAHSRA that the only correct route is down I-5, and we would never get private investment if we didn't do that.
Point being, if Brightline had any sense, they wouldn't buy it, because that route can never be profitable. 🙂
@@TohaBgood2LIES LIES LIES! YOU cannot help yourself from being pathological. Brightline West has requested a 3.75 B grant for a 12 B project or 31%. No project, unless insignificantly minor, was ever 90% taxpayer funded. You fool no one with gross exaggerations. You are full of bs and everybody knows it. However, don't stop with your entertaining fantasies.
California low speed train to nowhere.
At 220 mph operational speed, CAHSR will literally be the fastest HSR line in the world. The closest line in terms of speed is a line in China that can do 217 mph. And there's literally only one of those.
@@TohaBgood2
"At 220 mph operational speed, "
But average speed about 114 mph if High Speed Rail Alliance is right about 90 minutes Merced to Bakersfield.
By your logic, Caltrain averages 79 mph.
I agree Corey. Damn waste of money.
Good thing the Governor said there shall be no more construction beyond Merced to Bakersfield.
He said there's financial path to 100 billion so he had to pull the plug, for the foreseeable future.
I suppose it's possible they could build the Bakersfield to Palmdale part, but they need to save up from their allocation from cap and trade. I can tell you one thing, if it goes back to the polls, my vote will still be "hell, no."
California's high-speed rail is a complete scam. Reply with all the hate you can, I'll check back in 10 years to remind everyone that there still no high-speed rail in California (a project that should've been completed nearly 10 years ago).
Exactly. If you don't follow the money, progress, and realities of it, then you are unaware that this is a big scam. Tax payers are being robbed. This is not high speed either and only connecting a couple south central cities.
Lol, the right wing propaganda is strong with this one 😁😁😁
@@TohaBgood2 you must not follow it closely then or new to California. All this info is out and publicly available to read.
@@fjordlinger I voted for this project in 2008, bud. I know exactly what's going on with it.
The problem here is that you people are lying. Your own Bros from Republican dark money groups sued this project over key land parcels in order to slow it down and create cascading delays. Now you're here complaining that it's late and over budget?
Well, yeah! You people caused it! We should make you lot pay for it and run you out of our state, if you ask me. Go live in some third world red state! That's all you deserve. This state is not for you!
I agree greg, I agree. Lifelong centrist Democrat, very proud that I voted no on this stupid project.
Are those leather pants?
Voters voted for that 14 years ago, and they're just barely getting started. Should have been totally completed San Diego to San Francisco 7 years ago.
we have a right to be mad but at the same time an infastructure project like this has never been construced in the U.S. and we didnt have a ton of information to go off of, if at all. No cost to compare to with our given geography, no exact estimate for gathering land parcels,no exact confirm with local government/residences. Not to mention the multible mountian ranges it has to weave through. It really sucks now but the effect itll have when its complete will echo for atleast a couple of generations its really revolutionary especially for the U.S.
@@Ace-hj7li it has taken 14 years to not even build the simplest section across flat land... haven't even entered the quagmire of building through the peninsula in the bay area and through the northern valley and other urban areas in LA, this project will probably never be completed
@@MrAnonymous525 they didn’t even start the actual construction until recently. Much of this going over budget has to do with expensive ass land and not enough skilled workers for the project. It’s going to be a snowball effect once the flatland section is complete in the next 5-6 years
This is nonsense. The tunnel to the transit center is purely an SF city project. CAHSR is going to use the station but they don't even have a voting member on the board that is building this project. The actual CAHSR terminus was always 4th and King.
And the first section of CAHSR is completing construction this summer. They're over 97% complete as of today. I encourage you to look this up. The segment is called CP4. That's the southernmost section.
@@Ace-hj7li Had to laugh at your comment. We've never done a project like that in the United States? So, the national railway system and the interstate system? I can tell you from a technical perspective, railways have never been easier to build than they are today. Technology for building railways has advanced significantly the last 40 years. You can research some videos on this, about how many techniques have been developed to build the infrastructure quickly.
They can build a high speed rail but can't/won't get rid of the home issue. yea, the homeless will eventually take over those high speed rail stations too 🤷🏿♀️🙄
The California HSR has created 10000 jobs in some of the poorest areas in Cali. Like do you actually want to lower homelessness or do you not want to see homeless people?
@@artandarchitecture6399 "rich areas with the most homeless" why else would they go there? Is there as much job opportunity in a boring suburb or a big city? What are you even trying to say in the second argument? 10000 jobs is still 10000 jobs
@@handsfortoothpicks Any "big project" will lead to *temporary* jobs. Do you *really* think that these *unionized* construction workers are former homeless people?
@@djm5687 Umm, this project has a Phase 2 and Phase 3. The state openly stated from the very beginning that this SF-LA line is just the first line of many. So no, the construction jobs will pretty much be there for the next 50-70 years.
And yes, the construction union is not only hiring widely, including from former homeless folks, they have also set up training centers at the local community colleges to make the transition more easy for anyone who wants to work there.
Look things up before commenting.
@@TohaBgood2Never heard of Phase 3 before. Care to explain? Ah so you agree the construction will go on for 50-70 more years. Maybe for Phase 1 if they get the funding somehow.
Let me guess, opening I'm 2133?
It's already open, bud. I've been there for an event in the rooftop part last week. The views are pretty great.
@@TohaBgood2 ok, when are they going to start running trains?
@@daveshockwave8098 They didn't have enough money to build the tunnel. But they did futureproof it by building the full trainbox so that it can be used in the future.
For now this is, as intended, just a fancy replacement for our old and dinky Transbay Bus Terminal that needed to be torn down.
BTW, only 500 million out of the $2.4 billion cost of this new Transit Center was remotely related to rail. And this project created an entire new highrise district in San Francisco. We're talking hundreds of billions of tax revenue from this one single project!
You can fault SF for many things, but the inability to rake in money is not one of them.
@@TohaBgood2It is a ghost terminal in a ghost downtown for a long, long time. Ahhh, the irony of it all.
@@davidjackson7281 It's literally already open and serving thousands of bus riders. you do understand that this was always planned to be a giant bus station. It replaces a giant bus station. That's what the old Transbay Transit Center was, buddy.
LOL ready my ass.
Ok, I have the lube right here
The Salesforce center isn't even on BART or Muni, SF transit is laughably bad.
It's a block away
@@Skittles1987 would they just build an underground walkway connection?
@Arhonbroadway not sure. They could, but I haven't heard anything about that
@@Skittles1987 No it's not. It's at least five minutes walk. Have you ever actually made the transfer?
@@russella90 They will build the underground connection and also a second transbay tube will also serve Salesforce Terminal. When, I am not sure. But its in the plans. However, it is a close walk to either Embarcadero or Montgomery BART stations.
You’re losing a lot of money California taxes it’s look like you will never finish
Lol, we recently passed Germany for 4th largest economy in the world. And we're growing about twice faster than the likes of Texas and Florida, which is by far the best that you redhats can do.
Sit down, bud. We know exactly what you're made of and you just don't measure up.
Still cheaper than widening the highway
Looks like? The eyes can be deceiving. The highspeed rail project is like everything else in California. California is not a cheap State to live in, operate in, or build in. Cost of everything in California is through the roof. That same project in say Pennsylvania would cost half that. Besides, everyone is so gong ho over going electric right? Highspeed bullet trains are electric too.
It will finish when the private sector funded Brightline high speed rail line to Vegas opens and shows what it can do. It would eventually
tie in with the California HSR line in Palmdale. As soon as HSR becomes a reality with the Brightline project, it will be easier to get the
funding and public support to complete the much larger California HSR project.
@@TheLAGopher Brightline's Florida line is funded mostly by the public. What makes you think that they will be able to raise private money for Brightline West?
Keep in mind that they still haven't made a single red cent on the Florida line. They're still waaaaaaaaay in the red there. And they only promised to make any money after they sell all the real estate. That's still a long ways off.
Money would be better spent BART re-guage.
BART is impossible to re-gauge. The entirety of the BART infrastructure was deliberately built so that freight couldn't take over the system and part it out. The tunnels are too squat. The viaducts can't hold anything but a superlight aluminum BART consist. The electrification is deliberately incompatible.
There is no way to convert BART to standard rail. And this is literally by design because they were afraid of the fate of the old Key System. You lot need to give this crap a rest. It's genuinely not possible, nor is it necessary.
BART is fine as a fully grade separated, high frequency, regional mega-subway. We should focus instead on extending Caltrain and beefing up the Capitol Corridor, the ACE, SMART, the new Valley Link, and the San Joaquins to Caltrain-level service. It would be 1/10th the price and bring a lot more actual benefits.
@@TohaBgood2 hmm, so to spite freight - which benefits all of society btw - they hijacked control so we can't even adjust public infrastructure for the good of the people to let our high speed passenger rail and CalTrain share what's supposed to be a common standard??
@@TohaBgood2Good BART history. No need for the insulting "crap" remark. Try making your point with politeness and civility. It becomes easy second nature once you try. Beefing up with faster tracks makes good sense but converting to electricity like Caltrain sounds awfully expensive and unnecessary for those lines.
Laughing! Are you serious? Public transportation is a mobile contamination zone, not to mention the social misfits and criminals that loiter in and around the conveyance. Ridership for BART and Cal Train have dropped off precipitously and people have seen what public transportation CAN NOT DO. Train to nowhere.
*train to 6.5 Million People. & HSR does NOT bring Crime & if you don’t believe me you Fr listen to Bad Propaganda.
You all should be investigated for fraud.
Wtf..
I don’t have anything new to add to electric track loop generator.
Oh too bad. Your intelligence is missed.
Other developed nations have high speed rail. As usual America is behind. We can’t even build a train and expect to compete with China. Laughable
Quit with the comparisons already. We eat with silverware not chopsticks. Two different countries with many differences.