The Worst Entertainment Companies Cube Enterainment (Chapter 2. Cube's Negligence)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- This is the twelfth episode of a series on my channel called "The worst entertainment companies". In this episode, I will talk about Cube Entertainment I will how Cube Entertainment's favoritism is setting their own artists up for failure. This is a two-part episode. Part 2 will focus on the history and disbandment of BEAST, the negligence of CLC, the lawsuit with ex-Wannaone member Lai Kuanlin as well as how Cube Entertainment's overreliance on self-producing artists is affecting its idols.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
2:10 Cube's history
3:10 G.NA's scandal
5:09 BEAST
15:09 BTOB
16:12 CLC
40:40 Pentagon
46:15 (G)I-DLE
1:02:46 Lai Kuanlin's lawsuit
1:06:55 Lightsum's future
1:09:07 Conclusion
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SCOURCES CONSULTED
1) Jang Hyunseung apologizes for behavior via Soomi
www.soompi.com/article/101967...
2) Elkie leaves CLC R via VOI
voi.id/en/lifestyle/45824/elk...
3) Co-founder Hong Seung Sung leaves Cube Entertainment via Soompi
www.soompi.com/article/139150...
4) Soojin's statement on bullying accusations via Soompi
www.soompi.com/article/146000...
5) Lai Kuanlin's legal battle with Cube Entertainment
www.soompi.com/article/134053...
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AUDIO USED
Intro
I'm So Hot (Remix) created by Engine Mashups
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Transitions
Written In The Stars by Wendy Feat. John Legend
Background music
I Gave You A Flower by Le Gang
Magic by Le Gang
It Meant Everything To Me by Le Gang
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VIDEO'S USED
1) What happened to 4MINUTE members after disbandment? (2020 update ver) Retrieved from Best of 4MINUTE
2) Walk to CUBE Entertainment Retrieved from Walk Together
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqx_A...
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Tbh, Soyeon producing songs for Gidle is one of the group's selling point.
True but that's a lot of pressure and weight for her to carry
Yes bc she is a genius pur
@@alicekerireininger4930 oh yes!
Ikrrrr
If she didn't they'd be in the same place as CLC. You're already working hard to be an idol. There shouldn't be pressure to have to write/produce all the songs too. That's too much.
when pentagon and clc started having some success people forgot about what they did to 4minute and beast. When g-idle was at it's peak, people started forgetting what they did to hyuna, dawn, pentagon and clc. Now that they're ruining G-idle too, we're at the "cube is bad" phase again. People seem to not learn... Cube stopped being a good company around 2014 - 2015 and never recovered from that.
Honestly... I just feel sorry for the girls of Lightsum. It's not gonna end well. I said the same thing about G-idle when fans defended Cube's decisions over the hyuna-dawn scandal just because Gidle was successfull. Now they destroyed them too which is what i expected anyways.
The saddest part is that cube artists are extremely talented, they've always been my favorites, from 4minute to pentagon to clc or genius producre soyeon, they are very talented. But trapped in a cube shaped cage.
I don't understand why people keep signing up for them
barely any nevies defended what happened to hyuna? i was literally there when tht happened and everyone was outraged. barely any nevies even thought cube was a good company, mind you we all know soyeon was pressured to produce their debut song and it was a lower budget than clc and pentagon's but they still managed wins bc of soyeon's talent and the girls stage presence at music shows. with them charting so high and the sales they give, we just were happy cube wasnt throwing them into the basement and at least promoted them w soyeon's self produced songs, but they managed soojin's scandal terribly
to say that a good portion of nevies supported cube's decision to kick out hyudawn is such an inaccuracy (maybe u spoke to a few edgy nevies who were feuding with fandoms?). most of us never thought cube was a good company and hyudawn dating scandal was handled horrendously just like soojin's scandal. the only thing we praised cube for was allowing soyeon and the other members (minnie, yuqi) to produce and write but it does save cube money for producers, anyways
@@trash4taymusiccovers793 the loud minority always stand out i guess. but yes, you're right, probably only the few crazy nevies actually bothered to comment and defend cube. I guess that was not the general feeling in the fandom so sorry if i sounded like that. But there's obviously a big part of kpop fans (including universe) that justified cube's actions. I also saw a lot of people that thought cueb artists had dating bans (including very famous youtubers...) and that was just not true and quick google search could've prevented the missinformation, or the "hyuna's instagram post" blame which was really just an excuse to put the blame on someone. But yes, my apologize again if i implied that "all" nevies defended cube which obviously is not the case.
Never forgot what they did to 4M. It was nasty.
@@alicekerireininger4930 People keep signing with them because they want to be an idol and cube has had multiple top idol groups. Which gives people hope that if they debut under cube that they could have a chance at great success themselves. There are people that have left big 3 for cube. They either feel like it’s too much or feel like they’re not getting anywhere in the other company during the trainee period. Jinho was originally a SM trainee and even did a SM the Ballad song but now he’s under Cube and debuted with Pentagon.
Nobody, and I mean nobody can ever throw shade to Sorn. She tried and did everything in her power to do Cube’s obligations.
She can open her on agency.
the hate sorn gets is ridiculous, cause she is one of the most hardworking idols ever, single-handedly promoting not only herself, but HER GROUP. She could be very selfish and succeed on her own, but she worked so hard to promote her members and the group...it hurts so much to see her struggle with so much hate and yet she still put so much effort into CLC.
Huuum i don't thin sorn is rich enough to open an agency but i hope she'll be able in the future
@@louise3630 her family is thought
@@sherlockhomie7418 oh really? How much ?
@@louise3630 do you know who she is?
her father wanasthana sajakul is a thai politician was a member of parliament there and was involved with managing football in Thailand in terms of 1 and 2 league Division. He surely is not a millionaire but still, with his job and pension he will have more money than the average person surely. even when he had an income of + 100k a year it's more and she also has yt with i guess +700.000 subs and let's not forget insta. Maybe her father has millions but what i meant is you could start your own company with 30k or so. have idk 4 trainees or so🤔 if its successful idk but she surely can open one
If Cube doesn't produce songs, provide songs, promote artists or train artists, what's the point of the company?
To collect the money that their idols would have earned through their own hard work, but probably not even get half..
@@Pumuckelork08
Wow that’s so tragic but even more so it’s utterly disappointing. 🥺
@@anyone1111 It isn't so much the split, as the trainee debt. The idols are actually charged by their companies for living expenses and classes while trainees, so a lot of their income goes to paying this off. This debt further accumulates after debut for stuff like clothes, hair and makeup, continuing classes or housing.. Normally, if the group is unsuccessful and disband, the company will waive the debt and consider it a cost of doing business, but for the idols themselves, they don't actually make anything until this debt (when I last checked, it is about $1M USD to get to debut on average) is paid off.
@@hanng1242 omg that’s too much money omg! I can’t even fathom. And so much time going into this as well! That just even more sad!
Dang! Cube Entertainment is basically DJ Khaled.
The thing with btob is that they didn’t get that much support until Sungjae began to get attention from his dramas and then their ballads got more love from the public.
Btob are so talented my god
They’re amazing at ballads and that’s what they’re known for so that worked out for them tbh
@@brennathecatlover4360 but they’re great at the high energy songs as well. The song they just came out with is great. Absolute fun. They aren’t one trick ponies.
@@nekograce7914 I know but I’m saying they’re known for their ballads. Cuz when u think of btob u probably think of I’ll be your man or insane also wow
They got support but their promotion sin e 2015 especially in music shows up until now is only 2 weeks promotion and they ended. Some shows Btob joined in the past year it was the own effort of each member to be part of that variety shows.
one of my pet peeves is how so many people try to defend cube despite so many people claiming otherwise. elkie herself said that cube is awful when leaving cube. they've been awful for years.
People should’ve figured that out they’re trash when their first 2 groups completely left lol
*cracks knuckles* Let’s go.
The fact CLC took most of the video.
I think that says enough
@@ChaennieLisoo You hit it right on the head.
Extra information about CLC:
- Their concept was changed just months before their debut. They used to practice with Bad Girl (Ladies’ Code) and, if you analyze Pepe lyrics it could have that vibe. Apparently they maintained Pepe as the debut but changed part of the vibe and choreography to fit the new concept.
- Helicopter was out of stock in October 2020 even though they were at KCON. People wanted to buy Helicopter but couldn’t. It was only restocked in January 2021.
- Another mistake by CUBE was to not give CLC a world tour in 2017, after the success of Hobgoblin, or 2019, after ME (They were at a highlight and you can see this with the amount of people supporting them on the festivals they were at that year). As Dreamcatcher’s company did for them, if CUBE had done the same for CLC, their fandom would be bigger now and loyal.
- Also, since Yujin has applied to Girls Planet 999 at the beginning of 2021, apparently CUBE is leaving the girls at a limbo since then, waiting to see if she’ll be able to bring more fans to CLC worldwide (a thing that it’s already happening). This can been seen with Yeeun and Eunbin asking fans to wait a little more for a comeback since a few months ago.
Oh really they practiced to ladies code?! I love that cuz I love ladies code and I love clc! And I'm happy to see yujin being on girls planet is leading more fans to check out clc! I hope it helps their popularity and that cube gives them another chance! Although it's not like they're not popular already tbh lol
yes, if you watch the pepe mv behind the scenes you can hear another version of the song!!
and the last part i disagree. yujin went on the show by herself cube had nothing to do with this. yujin wants to debut there.. she's not there to promote clc
@@luvkki you misunderstood what I’ve said. Yujin went to Girls Planet by herself, but CUBE saw this as an opportunity to see if Yujin and CLC will get more attention in Korea and worldwide (that it’s already happening) to keep investing on CLC.
I'm as hopeful as any Cheshire that Cube are having a change of heart with Yujin 's visibility and support at home but my cynical side can see it's possibly just Cube squeezing a little more profit from them while they've got them under contract. Yeeun did really well on Good Girl but it didn't change Cube's attitude. Hope springs eternal but history is not on our side. Helicopter got them a lot of new fans, so a big sell of this comeback and especially a show win would really help.
i truly think one of the stupidest things cube has ever done was change clc's concept just months before their debut!! esp bc 2014-2015 were FULL of cute girl concepts! imagine if they came out with a totally different image (and GP would expect it since their sunbaes are 4minute) it would make them stand out so much from the crowd!! only blackpink's debut would've been similar to them and hopefully by then, CLC would've had their own built fanbase. CLC would've literally been up there with bp, twice and rv as top ggs in the 3rd generation if cube actually managed a consistent conceptual growth and if they focussed on catching the attention of the female and global demographic right from debut. it makes me so sad how mismanaged CLC has been TT.
i really hope yujin can bring attention from gp999 and sorn can shut up abt her political views so ppl can stop transferring that negative impact onto clc.
Hell at this point I wouldn't even be surprised in the slightest if Cube also neglect and mistreat their actors/actresses too
Maybe but I don't think it's the same person and label so it may be differznr
I hope we reach that point where idol entertainment companies are more regulated/monitored for humane practices and quality/performance. Like if several of your groups/idols are dissatisfied with treatment (to a reasonable point), the company should be penalized. Certain minimum level of activity or promotion equitable to income volume per person, payment schedules, adequate press and damage control,
stuff like that. But of course it’s a complicated industry, so this is unlikely to happen.
@@kb-ih7ni why should they be penalized ? Most of the company inform the idole of the promotion they will make in the contract so they already know it's their choices
Ooooooh you have noooooooo idea. Those are scandals on another level and they involve sex scandals. Overall after the 4minute disaster they have been on a rampage
I’ll never forget when I went to the Pentagon Prism world tour (in Chicago & Berlin) The members said they didn’t think anyone would come to their tour and and that hurt me. :( They sold out multiple stops! Some places even had to sell extra tickets because so many people wanted to see them it was PACKED! It felt like Cube let them do a tour to use them and see if they are profitable/see if cube could profit overseas. How I felt when they said that made me think Cube probably said if the tour wasn’t a success they would make them disband. And the full group wasn’t even together on the tour. I also like to add that I got the meet&greet package at both places(the German one was more like a fan sign) And both times during the concert and meeting before/after they said they were so thankful for everyone coming and they really appreciate it! That right there showed me how they really care about their fans but it made me again think cube was probably putting so much pressure on them to have the tour a success.(like more than usual) I honestly think if the tour wasn’t so successful Cube probably would have tried to screw them over somehow.
That breaks my heart that they think no would want to see them, I really regret not going to see them live 😔
this upsets me so much. I really wish covid didnt happen cause they would have had an amazing tour during dr bebe era and especially after daisy....
that must've been so difficult for them. i really want cube artists to escape but that sounds unrealistic.
Wow when was that tour??
@@angietoonz6605 yesss
kpoppies always praise self producing groups (as we should) but they also tend to forget that most self produced groups are forced (in the beginning at least) to do this bec their company is neglecting them!
making songs that would urge people to dance, cry, laugh, smile is hard and these groups are required to make cbs twice a year in order to attract fans. that's a lot of work :(( and these groups deserve everything
No Hui gave his position as main Pentagon producer to Wooseok and Kino and Yuto will most likely fully help him. Pentagon released a video of them recording DO or NOT in the studio and you can clearly see Hui was passing his touch to Wooseok
I did not know that, thank you for sharing that!
yes. Wooseok also needs to be talked about in terms of producing for the group. Even tho it is rarely talked about that Wooseok helps out a lot with producing/writing for the group and some times other artist.
@@kara5463 I hate how everyone discredits him both fanwise and outside and I hate how it keeps happening and how it happens to him when he is there to hear it he is the most credited Pentagon member but nobody talks about it it is mostly Hui and Kino he deserves more recognition
@@mihaelabarlovic4139 I still hate the Mnet said that TH made Never and Wooseok was never mentioned. I didn't know he helped until i looked at the credits. He is also never mentioned for helping with Energetic as well. The Kcon star live thing from Kcon NY 18' still angers me to this day. He deserves so much more recognition, than that he currently gets
@@ChaennieLisoo quick question: do you think Cre.Ker Entertainment fits this category?
As for BTOB they didn't got good promotions by CUBE until 2016 (when BEAST and 4M left and when Sungjae got recognized as an actor) , they were the forgotten group before that, i remember us (fans) struggling a lot because of that, before that the group didn't had a saying in their songs or concepts too, it was a mess. But because CUBE after their bankruptcy had to support itself in something that's when they change everything for BTOB and that's why now BTOB it's a keypart of CUBE. Even tho that doesn't mean we as fans of BTOB like CUBE, i think BTOB got extremely lucky with them.
soyeon is literally the key to success of gidle, if the fate was in cube"s hands i could not even imagine what would have happened, but that doesn't even matter since cube is destroying gidle. soyeon my girl is so strong
Sorn really needs to start her own company. Even if she doesn't have CLC under her own company, she would really take care of any groups or idols she signs. She could be the next PSY so easily.
Agree
I’d go to Psy. I’d get all the CLC members there. I feel Psy would help them.
yeah but money doesnt fall from the sky
Mmmmm, I don't know... I get that Sorn has done a name for herself but she's nowhere near to PSY level to start a company tbh
i hope CLC members would trademark themselves before the near of their expiring contracts. and i hope an agency such as P Nation would accept them to continue their career, giving Elkie a chance to re-join the group if she wants to. this is the 2nd time CLC had to get out of their own bubble to join a survival show.
also want to mention that soyeon mentioned that hui was the one who encouraged her to try composing by herself for idle’s debut song so they didn’t have to keep waiting
Kind of sad how Pentagon got only 6 minutes when cube sabotaged Pentagon's last 3 comebacks and that wasn't even mentioned here
Sabotaged them how?
@@ChaennieLisoo
1. WE:TH - they did not print enough albums and the album was SOLD OUT in the 1st week of the release and they did not restock it until much later even when both international and Korean fanbases were begging them to restock the albums and they still got 100k albums sold
2. Love or Take - the album had a printing issue which cube NEVER addressed and fans were literally scared to buy albums because of this mistake and it cost Pentagon so much because LoT was so hyped for and cube sabotaged them by not releasing a statement
3. Do or Not Japanese album - Yanan suspiciously leaves for China a week before Japanese comeback?! And moving their Japanese promotions for October when they were all planned to be in July and making the albums Sales drop because of it. Like Yanan leaving was so suspicious the members even cried when he was leaving for China and you can see Yanan clearly upset with something when they recorded Japanese performance videos. Yanan did not leave for China voluntary
@@mihaelabarlovic4139 I have been thinking the same. But why send him back so abruptly? With his pretty face and sweet voice and humor, Yanan is so important to Pentagon as an artist and the members love each other too. I can't understand this exile.
@@mariannafollador3065 my friends and I fear it's the Gualin situation
@@mihaelabarlovic4139 how so? I can't see the correlation sorry
In addition to the company being afraid of experiencing failure, the company has already failed by being afraid. They should have learned their lesson by now with how they manage their artists. The day they learned that they’re already failing, and they want to fix it will be the day they can start improving. These are people who want to live out their dreams, and what Cube has done was injustice. I wouldn’t be surprised if every since person left, and Cube is left with their execs.
For anyone who wants to job any company as an artist, READ THE CONTRACTS!!! Have your parents read them, have your lawyers read them, heck, have your friends them, even do research. Getting screwed over needs to come to an end. JUSTICE FOR ARTISTS!
The theory of Soojin's contract being terminated in March has some actual evidence behind it, specifically a video of Soyeon on a show watching the music video for Hwaa and you can tell she is tearing up when its Soojin part and this video came out quite a bit before Cube released the statement of Soojin leaving Gidle
Cube also hurt Eunbin when they announced her in debut while she was on Produce. Her rank dropped so much because of them just not waiting.
The generational change is interesting. When 4minute was in their heyday, they had to fight for every crumb of creative control they got. Jiyoon produced during 4minute's time as she does now, but few of her songs made it to their albums, as Cube told her that her music didn't fit 4minute's concept. Her and Hyuna had a lot of lyrical credits throughout that time however. Jiyoon has upwards of 100+ songs that she wrote during that time she doesn't have the rights to and can't release bc she wrote them while in Cube. Crazy that now their artists have a lot more creative control, but very little support in other vital areas.
Honestly not surprising that the groups do better when the members' take charge, in all the groups. 4minute's popularity started growing when Gayoon took control of their styling in 2012, and as the members picked their own concepts and more music they had a hand in was released, they were becoming more well known. until of course, they were blindsided by Cube disbanding them unexpectedly.
So what I have learned in Cube Entertainment that the group has to do more than 50 percent of work like produce their songs, promote the songs themselves, and don't get into scandals cause Cube doesn't do anything. The groups themselves make Cube. I hope g(idle) leaves cause they make their music themselves and people love them for them not Cube obviously. Cube is actually the worst.
From what I know is BTOB was just forgotten by CUBE until they lost their selling artists. As well BTOB had bad line distributions until they started self producing and the CUBE trend of pushing one member which was Illhoon. Also Peniel stated that one of ther reasons he's doesn't do TH-cam anymore was he wasn't getting paid. TH-cam said they paid him and when he went to CUBE they said they would look into it but Peniel didn't get a response. Which is crazy cuz he had gotten a sliver play button based off his subscribers.
Next I don't understand CUBE, why train people to self produce but turn them down each time they try. CLC is the only veteran group that doesn't self produce. We've seen the girls show their skills with stuff posted to TH-cam, why can't fans get more material from them. Also, if the girls of CLC are willing to spend their own money to do a fanmeet, why stop them? Lastly if Hobgoblin gave CLC so much recognition why come back with Where Are You, to then cut the promotion short and soft promote with a B-side from that ablum, the song I like It. Like come on I Like It was more of a mix of Hobgoblin and CLC's earlier stuff which woulda made a better lead single with Where Are You as a B-side to promote with.
Apparently CUBE are now giving a comeback to CLC to cover the whole drama 😭 one of the members has said to wait for new group release after a fan has posted something about their inactivities...
What??????? Please give me full information
@@iamradhikasharma I am not sure what on what social media it happened but o e of the members responded to a fan to wait for something and I think CUBE just wants to cover up the drama since what recently Yujin said about what's going on with CLC also departure of Soojin from (G)I-Dle could also affect the way CUBE now is "trying" to revive
@@MommyAda21 ohhh OK
Actually it’s sorn not Clc
@@iamradhikasharma actually it’s sorn not Clc
Props for taking the time to go through all this. This couldn't have been emotionally easy on top of being a hard hitting awareness campaign.
Thanks for showing us the darkside of the business and shedding light on these things! Great video's you always do for us!
Really tragic and sad how over 90 percent of Kpop companies are total shit, they see their idols or hell even actors/actresses as nothing more than money making machines. It's very rare to find a company that treats their artists at least halfway decent 🙃
Mad respect for Soyeon
In BTOB’s case: let me take you through their first years and at the end I will give you my conclusion and current issues.
I would like to add that you can see this bad management in Second Confession. WOW (their first comeback) got a lot of attention to btob, even an American rapper praised them for their sound. But Cube did the same thing that they did to CLC and instead of sticking to the funky/sexy vibe, they went for a cute/quirky concept, which made casual listeners forget about them. And, Second Confession was also a single. Then, they didn’t do what they did with clc (going back to what people liked from their past ep), instead they went dark with thriller. At the time the dark/horror concept was popular but it made Thriller had the same fate as Pepe because of how many other comebacks had that same concept. After that, they went into this funny era which got us You’re so fly, Beep Beep and You Can Cry. The music was fun but I think it wasn’t either sticking to what was popular or being sí revolutionary that it would stick out. The music videos looked cheap, at some point cube would just put them in disney character’s costumes, Harry Potter cosplay or pajamas and call it a day. Finally, they got their first album which cemented Hyunsik as their main producer and Ilhoon as like his second in command. This is 2015, they are getting recognition and Sungjae specially is shining as an actor. Cube finally decides to take them seriously and stops changing their concept randomly. They stick to doing ballads for a while, which worked but also didn’t let them explore more of their abilities. Also in 2015 we have the it’s okay situation where (while they were starting to perform it’s okay in one of the end of the year festivals) a staff member was heard saying something along the lines of “why are they doing a musical?”. Cube didn’t protect them from this and that’s that.
Now, we are dealing with Ilhoon’s leaving btob. After that, Changsub showed his support for him by putting 7 fingers up and in front of the camera in their online concert. After this, leader Eunkwang had to apologize for this since fans were complaining about it (fans that at that time wanted ilhoon to be forgotten to ‘protect’ btob from his legal problems) my issue with this is that it shows that cube doesn’t care about ‘btob’ as the seven people in the group, they just care about btob the brand. They branded btob as beagle idols, always respectful, healing and a very united/loving group. A lot of the branding came from shipping and showing how close they are. They would make them write letters for each other, hug each other, cry together, etc. But as soon as one of them put their perfect image in danger they just shut him out and wanted to act like it didn’t happen. This is what they are also trying to with idle and for that I said fuck cube. Cube doesn’t care about their artists as people, they only care about how much money those people can make them. And for that, I really hope this artist get out of there and that cube finally stops fucking up this young idol’s mental health, physical health and economic wellbeing once and for all.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk and sorry for the broken English, I am a Peruvian Melody.
no company cares about their idols:) sad reality
My first ult was hyunseung and i know it broke his heart to not make it with big bang, i know he felt bad about it and he was never able to really bond with BEAST. I didn't see much fighting but they were distant indeed. Remembering this after such a long time is bitter sweet
Hyunseung wasn’t close with beast?
@@brennathecatlover4360 isnt not that he WASN'T but the other members were definitely closer with e/o, hyunseung stayed behind a lot in public events
@@channelxcaramelo so he was more quiet wanted his own space type?
@@brennathecatlover4360 Hm... He was always described as 4D as he would say random things and kinda space out, he definitely wasnt the loudest, but i remember him running into big bang in... I think inkigayo back room and he suddenly looked so happy and giddy, that's why fans of him started to think maybe he wasnt over the whole big bang thing, there were a lot of other stuff too being said at the time
@@channelxcaramelo was there any controversial stuff about him?
this was such a great video thank you so much for addressing (g)i-dle’s “favoritism” issue! i hope people can see it and educate themselves on it.
about Pentagon. Hui is the one who composed all of their title tracks since 2017, BUT he didn't always do it alone. Shine and Naughty Boy were composed together with Dawn, Basquiat, Daisy and Do or Not were composed together with Wooseok and out of the current 9 members 7 have composed b-sides for the group from the very beginning! Especially the Maknae line has turned into a composer line. So saying the groups future without Hui is unsure is just completely wrong. The Maknaes will take over.
Yeah, this rubs the wrong way
Agreed, Wooseok has been seen doing most of the composing work (along with Hui). While Hui focuses more on the beat and different concepts, Wooseok focuses more on the lyrics and arrangement with the members. Not to mention all of the other members have written and helped with the writing process. Along with Kino helping in several of Pentagon’s choreographies.
So it seems like almost every groups failure is due to cube not having enough business sense to make the right choice and refusal to invest in the group :/
Thank you so much chaennie for covering cube, it was needed and you came through just at the right time. I admire all the hard work you put into these, thank you so much 💗💗💗 you're one of if not the hardest working kpop history channel
So Cube does 2% of the work and expect (likely) to day the idols squat of money earned? I’d take their asses to court and show them the proof they are stealing money from the idols.
And Cube can do good, just as long as these crazy grown men stop being greedy with the money. It’s a girl/boy group, not a bouncy house.
Slightly unrelated but the success "Oh My God" had was totally unexpected given how different and unique the song was. It wasn't your typical dance track or mellow pop song. I'm still amazed by how popular it was.
cube is that group member that does no work and just slaps their name on the project.
In conclusion: Cube really doesn't know how to manage their artists properly with promotions, activities, or albums. Even though they have skilled artists and groups.
Gna is heartbreaking....christ
hi, thank you for creating this video! However, I have a lot to disagree and add to PENTAGON part.
1) Members' input in albums
In Pentagon the majority of the group knows how to compose and all of the members had a chance to write lyrics and compose. Self-produced songs have always appeared in Pentagon's discography (at the beginning as b-side tracks).
7 out of 9 members compose songs. The group decides which songs they will put out according to the concept they go for, so not all members end up adding their songs to the final track list of the upcoming album. On every recent album you usually can find a song composed by Wooseok, Hui and Kino. By the way Wooseok has more copyrighted songs than Hui does. It's quite sad you did not mention his work especially when he worked on Energetic as well. Composing aside, members participate in process of writing lyrics.
Besides composing, Kino has choreographed and co-choreographed many of Pentagon's songs. For 'Daisy' comeback boys even looked for the choreographer themselves. Another field Pentagon participates in is graphics, art, designing. For example the digital cover of 'WE:TH' album is made by Kino as well, he painted it himself. Adding to this, Hui, Wooseok and Kino participate in directing the recording process of songs too.
Pentagon members have a huge influence on a final product. They work really hard. No external producers are needed, they are capable of producing upcoming title tracks on their own despite of Hui being enlisted now. They are friends with a few producers that they co-work for long long months with.
2) Restocking and printing issues
As someone before me mentioned, with recent comebacks Pentagon experienced many issues with printing and restocking. Cube either produce more albums than they end up selling (I think this is why the old albums are still available to buy somewhere) or runs out of stocks really quickly. In 2021 the issue with restocking was really highlighted as the problem happened during almost all artists' promotion.
Unfortunately, Pentagon even had issues with proper content of their albums, one version of the album had less content than it was supposed to. The whole situation was a mess and it really affected time of shipping. In my case, we waited for around 3 weeks to ship those albums to EU. What is more, with the same album(!) some covers were folded wrongly so some people got albums with this kind of manufacturing error.
3) Lack of communication
It seems like it will remain as a forever CUBE problem - lack of statements and communication with fans.
In Pentagon's case there have been numerous situations where statements were needed yet Cube did not do much. The scariest thing is that even the communication between THE ARTIST UNDER CUBE AND CUBE is also poor. As you said in Yanan's case, he did not know much about his activities. This year Yanan left for personal schedule to China unvolunteerly, both him and members were quite upset about it that CUBE planned activities for him without his willingness as it seemed.
Speaking of Yanan's case - the problem is that CUBE failed to communicate with everyone. It is fine that members take breaks to take care of their health. The issue is that the company stayed silent and both fans and the artist knew nothing.
Another situation that had poor statements was Hyuna and Dawn scandal. Whole situation was so unclear even to the artists. There were rumors that Hyuna knew about extermination of contract from the news, not from the company. I still don't know if its true, because there was so many different pieces of information at that time. But even if this is just a rumor, this really speaks about the level of communication of the company.
4) Slow reactions
Cube is always slow when it comes to EVERYTHING. There have already been two incidents, when CUBE failed to trademark (not sure if it's correct word sorry) two names:
- 'UNIVERSE' - PENTAGON's fandom name - > now there's a kpop related app with such name.
- 'I LAND' - which was supposed to be a name of i-dle's world tour - > now trade marked as a name of a survival show
Both situations involved disappointment of fans, mailing and trying to communicate with CUBE, but both of them did not change anything. It was already too late. Cube filled several trademark applications after mailing, but it was done silently, of course without any statement.
As a result, fandom lost a hashtag they used, because it does not apply to the fandom anymore and is used now exclusively for posts related to the app and appears with its logo beside the tag.
All things considered, we have been through a lot. Cube needs to improve. Especially when I omitted the topic of comeback promotions because cube of course does bare minimum as well.
I wondered why this is so detailed but then I saw the username
@@mihaelabarlovic4139 why do you mean 7/9 ? If you're thinking about shinwon he also writted and composed songs for the group
@@louise3630 Hui, Wooseok, Kino, Yuto, Jinho, Shinwon and Changgu have all had songs composed released by them. That makes seven. Hongseok and Yanan haven’t yet been the main composers/producers of any songs (but they have composer credits on “Round 1” and “Round 2”.) I believe Hongseok has some self composed songs that haven’t been released yet a
@@hannae6219 yes I know
Hongseok has credits in some songs I think but it's kinda know that shinwon is a composer as well??? Plz
@@louise3630 yeah I included him in my message! he’s got multiple self composed songs to his name. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.
Don't wanna annoy you, but can you do Chrome Entertainment? They were really big in 2013/2014, but thanks to questionable promotion and marketing decisions, to say the least, they lost all their influence. Their most recent group, BZ Boys (which you should check out) is getting some attention recently, but that is not due to the company, but to Bon (Choi Wonho) promoting them in online forums.
Umm Crayon Pop????
@@manvithharikiran5576 exactly that company!
that was Crayon Pop's company i think
Hell yes, she should.
As a universe Kino and wooseok are really important song writters in a team along with Hui. They may not be as recognize as him but they're really good. They can create songs by themselves as they did with B-Sides.
And kino composed and produced “Happiness”! A japanese title track!
@@hannae6219 yup and wooseok is the co-composer and writer of do or not but always with hui
@@louise3630 yeah!!
I can't stand how little credit they get.
@@triumphofmagic They got very little credit in this video (besides Kino being shouted out for being a choreographer). Wooseok has at least 81 producing credits under his name (as of June 2021) which ranks him number 25 among every other kpop idol in Korea.
I think the La Vie En Rose debacle is still to be blamed on Cube, because they could have purchased the rights to the song to secure it for their artist. I’m not sure if that’s standard practice but I imagine most companies do so that the record label can’t just sell it to someone else at the last minute.
When they announce Eunbi as a member CUBE sabotaged her on Produce I.O.I. Before announcing her she was quite popular but afterwards people stopped voting for her because she already had a group she could go back to.
Also you could have mentioned how they mistreated 4Minute by only pushing Hyuna even though the others became popular as well
She made a whole video about 4minute and hyuna prior to this one
Cube totally fails when it comes to "scandals" instead of working through the problem and truly backing the idols it just boots them or locks them in a dungeon.
As for CLC, I'm completely convinced Cube is just keeping the ladies on contract to gain funds, and attention from anything they do, Ie if Yujin makes the final group on GP999, anything Sorn earns on TV, Eunbin's acting income and so on. Cube had talent and totally failed to back them or have any foresight in regards to singles or concepts.
About pentagon I want to add that promotions sucks, universe the pentagon fandom always has to find a way to promote the group. Literally when they make a comeback if the fans didn't promote it, no one would know about the existence of pentagon. There were too many problems with the albums and the other merchandise. Not to mention that when Hui was just producing for pentagon, he did not have the necessary implements to work, it took him hours what could be done in minutes if he had had the support of the company, the only way that they gave him the supplements was because He appeared on a show about producers and the situation was made known. Like these cases, there are still many more below that have not been touched, if it were not for the fact that pentagon literally does 95% of their work, they would not have the same number of albums that they have today. If they have been able to achieve all these years it was only because of their hard work and the miracles that the fandom has to do with each comeback.
What happened to CLC was beyond frustrating. Very bad management.
Soyeon is the reason why (g)i-dle is here. If she didn't write that song, they wouldn't even have debut. Cube would have wasted the group's talent because they're so greedy. They didn't even give them an actual song how could they have been favored?
i just wanted to add on for btob: (this may not be because of cube) peniel lost his hair from stress, to the point that he had to shave his head go make it even - and cube didn't really do anything to support him
He had to go to Hello Counselor to open up about his alopecia
They didn’t support any of the members mental health. Not with Peniel or Ilhoon, or even Minhyuk, that has spoken about his depression recently
@@laviniasouza2057 Minhyuk also had COVID... CUBE said nothing about him or wished him well...
26:22 As a french native speaker I have to say that your pronunciation of: " La vie en rose " was, first of all, one of the best I've heard so far in kpop youtube videos, but most importantly, really soft and cute, you got me there, it even took me a bit out of the video for a few seconds, I had to rewind and wrote a comment lol
All that being said, I really appreciate this video ^^
I didn't think much of Cube before, but since they handled the Soojin case so badly, I've lost all faith. Even the scandals of idols as big as IU can be disappeared, but they can't handle just one baseless rumor without evidence? Look at how those idols trust their company, but what they get in return is just apathy and rejection. If G idle has another similar incident, will there be another member leaving the group? What the hell are they doing with their aces?
Unfortunately Cube has a long History of Mistreating their talented K-pop Artists they deserve to be protected and treated better
I already knows this 1 hour video will be good
The change of concept, when not advised, like FX LOONA and Red velvet(the most known for always not repeating but having a core character), is tiring! Specially when you arent a boygroup, when you dont have a loyal fanbase, when you arent active enough.
Beyond the lack of management, promotion and pay for the chinese member, CLC challenged cheshires and casual listeners bc they didnt had content, tours, merch, music.
And the lack of consistancy only made the fans, general public and casuals into a confused and exhausted state. Imagine not knowing when the group is coming, if they are coming with a SINGLE OR MINI, with a girl crush/ballad or bubbly color pop
You can see the remaining members are tired. The content is either made by themselves like videos, youtube channel or going into a reality show when you are already a 7 year old career idol. If Elkie was mistreated and poorly payed, imagine the korean members
I dont think cu be will release a comeback. Gidle will be the focus bc it has "more potential" like the company povs
I'm so glad someone made a comprehensive, unbias, and thorough video about the mess that has been going on a Cube. Ever since Mera's video about CLC & Cube getting taken down, there has been a need for a video with the correct facts. You literally took all the words out of my mouth that I've been thinking for a while now.. It's such a shame to see how cube treats their groups like self producing cash cows.. and you can tell they gave up on CLC a while ago but just want to keep all those poor girls dangling in a 7 year contract string. I'm sure Elkie had to pay for some of the top lawyers in China to fight her case...
Cube could've had such great groups but they are their own demise.
This is well worth the wait!
Amazed how you made such a complete video with all the tomfoolery that CONTINUES to come out of Cube entertainment 🙃I love these videos!! plz keep it up
Sorns outfit in Hobgoblin will always be a favorite of mine. an outfit I want in my own closet.
Omg I cannot wait to watch this this evening when I can! You always make the best videos on entertainment companies! Added to watch later! So excited!
Thank you so much 🥺
This video felt like watching a freaking documentary 🤚I m so glad I stumbled upon such well produced videos and I'll make sure I binge watch the whole playlist and take notes as well! 💜
I remember when BEAST debuted, I had a friend obsessed hard with Hyunseung. Their titles were always silly but their music was amazing. It was the first example I saw of a company screwing over their group since I got into kpop, F(x) though really locked in my wariness of the companies
I already thought Cube was one of the worst bc of Hyuna and Dawn and CLC and GIdle but now you confirmed it with all this extra stuff I didn't know about. 😤😤😤
For BTOB I only knew about them because I watched Dive Studio podcast which include Paniel. I remember he told us at during one of the comebacks he used to work out a lot which make him buff and one of the staff (?) told him to lose some weight and muscle because he looked like a lego while wearing a suit 😭
I'm a simple man. I hear someone bitching about Cube, I press like.
EDIT: Damn, they're even scummier than I thought.
Excellent documentary!!! Can't wait for the next one.
Looks like yours going to have to do an update soon.. cube is already ruining LIGHTSUM with Jian and Huiyeon already leaving the group.. Which makes me really sad because I really like Huiyeon 😭
I know right like why would they do that if it’s for a Gross concept then cube is messed up.
@@YummyYumii477 girl Cube has completely lost their mind
@@briannabirckett I figured they kick them out because they’re too young or because cube doesn’t want them in the group
I'm so happy you are doing better👍
I’ve been waiting for this😭
Good job girlie!!!! Ur vids never disappoint ☺️ they’re so entertaining ure the only kpop commentary channel I watch still lol
omg this is the video i've been waiting forever, can't believe this is even avaliable for free! you make wonderful content
Thank you for doing this!!! Well researched video 🙌
When the thumbnail's quality made you first think this was a new Netflix series titled 'Negligence.'
yesss what we’ve been waiting for
I been waiting.💕😳
everytime I see CLC's vids i get so mad, they had the most potential but cube never did anything right with them. i only found out about them back in the day when one of their fans were promoting CLC
Pepe was a jam. The concept was adorable but not overly with tons of aegyo. Such a pleasant song. I loved the bright, cheerful, colourful vibe. Its unforgivable how Cube dumped CLC like that, messing up the careers of such hardworking girls. I hope Karma will come for them. I'm glad that Apink separated and thrived from them.
What frustrates me is that people claim Gidle were favourited, when it was literally the complete opposite. Cube was still pushing for CLC and Pentagon to be huge so they gave no attention to Gidle, hence why Soyeon had to take matters into her own hands. Their debut budget was so low that they couldn’t even afford a proper music video so they filmed in a warehouse that Cube rented out, like Yuqi is literally singing in front of trash bags 💀 If Gidle hadn’t stepped up and did everything themselves then Cube would have let them rot in the basement.
Would like to see someone properly shed a light on 8D Creative and their mishandling of OnlyOneOf's situations. There's sadly not that much information out there but the company has ignored the fans demands for a proper statement for over a month now. They are currently releasing teaser images for a new comeback but won't address anything.
Yes, that one too.
Thank you for the video. It shocks me to see the level of denial in the comments section about cube (the gist is practically around self-producing). Self-producing is impressive, but what Cube has done is to take it to an abusive level. If idols can't debut or have comebacks because because the company won't assist with production, if idols pay for their own travel expenses to promote their own groups the company decides will no longer develop, or just freezes idols without explanation...I'm questioning if we can call self-producing in that type of environment a freedom of choice. You have no choice but to self-produce or fail. I'm also wondering if the time they put into producing is paid or not similarly as if the company hired professionals. I hope they are, but cube gives me little hope.
About the edawn / hyuna thing. Its a situation where everyone is right and wrong at the same time
the way the handled the situation was ridiculous though
yeah. i think hyuna and dawn should’ve waited until the hype for pentagon maybe went down a bit and THEN they could’ve went public with their dating. doing it while shine and pentagon were still so popular wasnt the best move imo, and considering the fact that pentagon was just reaaaally getting big at the time.
but, at the same time, the way cube handled it was ridiculous. i mean, how are you gonna let one of the best soloists in korea go like that? they have no loyalty
@@02puwina thoigh you are right don't forget that hyuna was slutshamed back then by their fans
@@lunachaaaan1072 tbh she still is slutshamed by so many ppl too. it’s disheartening
@@02puwina she always has been because of her imagine but back then it was worse just because of her skinship with her own boyfriend. i think she just got sick of it and that's why they revealed it.
their biggest mistake was not promoting hobgoblin or even marketing of it because they wanted to focus on pentagon or gidle or whoever
I’ve been waiting for this
ahhhh ive been looking forward to this
They got so lucky with gidle.
[SLOW CLAPS] Great job! Very thorough. It's everything I thought about that sorry excuse for a company. I feel sad for Lightsum though. Not sure what they're getting themselves into. Cube's failures need to be shared, and their artists' talents need to be known. I hope all their artists sue and leave those squares leaving them bankrupt while they each prosper on their own.
Took a while to get the video but worth it
Great video, though there were a couple factual discrepancies (nothing major)
Black Dress dropped on February 22 of 2018 and not in April.
Also, fans told Sorn that “Me” (and also Devil) were unavailable on iTunes, not Helicopter.
It sad bc cube has potential in making a successful group even when they were not one of the big 3 but bc of the way they treat their artist that’s really going to be the end of their company it also seems to me that thanks to all these artist they are one of the biggest company yet all of their artist are not treating them with respect I stopped staning cube and their artist the day they dismissed hyuna from the company bc of the dating scandal the fact that hyuna worked her ass even when she was sick and then dismisses her like she was never anything to the company truly showed their colors
Ive not watched yet but even before watching- cube has kicked out or removed atleast ONE artist out of every single group they've debuted (apart from lightsum but they just debuted).. Illhoon from btob, Hyuna from 4minute/solo, Dawn from Pentagon and Now soojin from cube.. not to mention just DISREGARDING a whole fucking group.. At this point people need to boycott them and their groups just for the hope of them closing down
Elkie too and the rest of the group as a whole left on the sidelines, the fact that it's a whole pattern spells so much trouble 😬🤨
Ooo this one is a long one!
Welcome back!!
Tbh, I didn't know about Cube mismanagement until recently even though I have been following their artist for years now. Because I always have been a big fan of BTOB and they didn't really show any signs of mismanagement because they're always happy and bright and basically let BTOB do what they wanted. Also the fact that Eunkwang is now a director at cube. Now that I found it out, I hope they don't mismanaged BTOB as well.
Please support CLC guys ❤️❤️❤️ We have to vote for Yujin on GP999 & stream their MVs to show that we want a comeback. At least one comeback before their contracts expire
Waiting for this since Yujin’s pipebomb and Soojin’s departure
Sorn and Soyeon can probably take over the world. Badasses!!!
S-Nation! Take my money! LOL
An ultimatum of 5M views for a video they didn't even have a hand in creating? The AUDACITY! Where does cube get their face of steel to present themselves as a decent company and having their own artists promote and create out of their own pockets!
Wait a moment, there’s something I noticed about what Sorn said that was brought to her by the staff: it’s the artist’s responsibility to garner that attention, the company just meh. I know a lot of people have noticed this, but it seems like Cube just threw CLC under the bus, blaming them for not being successful. Um…. Wtf? No. It’s NOT the group’s fault that they weren’t successful, the company needs to be held accountable because they did the barest minimum to help the group succeed. (It’s been said so many times, I feel like it’s an echo in the open air at this point.) and the whole “we don’t want the next group to compete with 4Minute,” Cube better get the fuck outta here with their bullshit mess! The execs should have known better. CLC, 4MINUTE, BTOB, PENTAGON, G IDLE, BEAST, G.NA, LAI KUANLIN, THEY ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS WITH EMOTIONS, OF MIND AND SOUL, AND CUBE TREATS THEM ALL LIKE FUCKING TOYS WITH STRINGS ATTACHED!!! Justice needs to be served for every single artist in that company once and for all. They have a dream to create, yet Cube just doesn’t get it. Someone PLEASE slap that piece of shit of a company.
Yes, I feel angry at this point because this company, along with all other companies, are a nightmare of their own. It’s like these companies are a knockoff to other companies that I know of (looking at you Bad Boy and TUG.)
*CUBE, DO BETTER!*
You should do a calibration with midnight theories!!! ( At least an hour and 30 minutes about dark unsolved mysteries and other stuff and you two will reveal your theories at the end!!.❤️ Other than that I loved the video this inspired me for the idea!!!.
Literally crying over (G)-idle
Just wanted to make a correction that highlight’s junhyung was not part of the burning sun scandal. He is considered a witness of the group chat one revolving around jung joonyoung
Are you a French speaker ? The way you said La Vie en Rose sounded really french lol
Great video too, it's crazy how hard you work for them