PLEDIS Entertainment: The Company That Can't Do Their Job
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SOURCES
PLEDIS Entertainment: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledis_...
After School: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_S...)
After School Discography: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_S...
After School: kpop.fandom.com/wiki/After_Sc...
NUEST : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NU%27EST
NUEST M: nuest.fandom.com/wiki/NU%27EST_M
NUEST W: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NU%27EST_W
NUEST Discography: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NU%27ES...
Seventeen: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevente...)
Pristin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pristin
The Journey of NU'EST (A Documentary): • The Journey of NU'EST ...
The Worst Entertainment Companies: Pledis Entertainment: • The Worst Entertainmen...
Orange Caramel reveal they get paid every 6 months: www.allkpop.com/article/2014/...
Lizzy’s comment to her CEO: www.soompi.com/article/893713...
Kahi on TAXI: entertain.naver.com/ranking/r...
Kahi on TAXi translation: / kahi_i_was_bullied_in_...
Bekha talking about AFTER SCHOOL: www.billboard.com/articles/co...
Nu’est Mistreatment FanCafe posts: omonatheydidnt.livejournal.co...
Minhyun Salt Incident: www.asianjunkie.com/2016/02/2...
Seventeen Mistreatment Thread: twunroll.com/article/12951306...
Another Seventeen Mistreatment Thread: / 1295130688711204872
Broadcasting Station story: kpopkfans.blogspot.com/2015/11...
Junhui’s mistreatment: / 1308113784108613632
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:20 After School
14:54 NU'EST
24:30 Seventeen
31:49 Pristin
34:22 Mistreatment - บันเทิง
Let's be honest, the only reason why Pledis didn't ruined Seventeen that much is because they do almost everything, I bet they sew their own outfits...
i agree. seventeen does most of the work for them so ofc pledis loves that
and also bc they would be broke without svt
Pledis needs Seventeen, Seventeen doesn't need Pledis
NU'EST does everything too, they even saved their career alone
My opinion my honest too i approched my brainsets pledis is not ruined our seventeen best boy all of some good quality being a kpop idol of them in seventeen because seventeen making hardwork because the pledis are pushing the seventeen make more some money of them! And seventeen is the most popular group in pledis i think! Pledis don't care the health and some feelings about seventeen so much just using them being a famous and pledis just care about the money not our seventeen i already pissed and mad already soon i will try to audition in pledis if i done being a trainee or idol there then i will gonna exposed them what pledis treated some idol and the trainees for them! I wish seventeen will changed their entertainment just continue their work it but another entertainment not in pledis pledis is really bitch!.
(Sorry for my english grammar 😄)
biggest mystery in kpop: why pledis decided to disband pristin when they're doing so well
I know right ?? Like what on Earth. There has to be some reason, cause if not then they are the stupidest company ever
@@jihoonscarat im so close to stanning pristin but their shitty company just decided to disband them for no reason
@@wahyufatmawati5913 they are so good, I love them so much 🥰 I recommend, plus you never know what the members will do now
They had the views and the international fanbase, which lead them to won rookie of the year but in 2017 actually Weki Meki and WJSN's album charted better than the both songs of Pristin. Their debut was succesfull, only being surpassed by Weki Meki album (talking about rookies). But their comeback was flop. I really don't why. Thier debut song had 44k copies aprox. But their comeback only 21k copies. And the thing got worse with Kyla issue. Saying they were doing so well it's actually wrong. Weki Meki debut album over 60k copies. See the difference. Internationally they were the best charting female rookie of 2017. But in Korea WJSN and Weki Meki charted better.
Pristin wasn't doing as well on sales, they were decreasing in every comeback. I still think Pledis should have stuck with them and tried to salvage the group, as they did have a fanbase and were known amongst a lot of people. But I understand why they did disband :(
The only reason why seventeen is still promoting is that they are a self-producing group.
nah its cause they have a contract and they gotta promote or its over
@@leilazoric664 no its bcs pledis need svt to bring in money for their nbg
@@bbbbbbbbb1885 yeah well that too but we will see how they do with the new boy group considering their management is pure garbage.
@@leilazoric664 pledis is too greedy with their seventeen 2.0 and have been doing those "little seventeen audition" since 2018. I don't think they are ready for another group to handle.
@@bbbbbbbbb1885 i def agree with you!!!
Pledis is so good at picking trainees and training them. Like every single Pledis artist is so gorgeous and talented in a lot of fields. Too bad they absolutely suck at management
Exactly! All their artists and groups are actually successful and loved
I agree! Their idols are all so talented, its like the only thing they are doing right as an entertainment company
Seriously. I call them Pretty Pledis because somehow all the artistes are naturally so good looking. But the company ain't shit
@@jihoonscarat fr
So true!
the way every pledis group are monster rookies but pledis fucks them over and doesn't do their job properly, Nu'est would've been one of the top 3 boy groups if Pledis didn't ship them overseas when they were still rookies and had no solid fanbase
I KNOW RIGHT?!?! Pledis is extremely good at scouting talents and so many of their groups have HIGH potential of becoming popular and they have a high chance of becoming a really successful company. But nooooo they can’t even manage properly
nuest is mad popular domestically, but they lack in international fans. i mod a discord server of over 500 people, and there's only one other person who stans nuest there. it's honestly quite ridiculous and i know for a fact that they would be so big if pledis treated them properly and oh, i dont know, give them more than one comeback a year with minimal promotions before 4 out of 5 of the members have to enlist in the military for a year and a half
I agreed and being support on some carats opinions!.
Yes! Each group has unique members that's why they're monster rookies indeed but shitty company can't manage their idols
@@amia560 I feel this. Whenever I join a discord server there’s never anything about Nu’est and it’s kind of sad bc there my ults and all I do is talk about them 😩 also don’t remind me about there enlistments I’m about to cry. Still waiting for pledis to give them a comeback
Literally seventeen saw what happened to all of the other groups and decided to do all the work cuz they knew if they didn't work themselves to death they would end up forgotten by the community and blame them
True😔
True😔
That’s so sad😕
During a Liev, Woozi was talking about his High School days and how he had classmates that were also trainees from other companies. He said they would usually talk about how their companies treated and trained them, and he said "It made me realize that compared to the other companies, Pledis was..." DK interrupted him and said "An evil company" everyone started laughing and other members did their best to deny what DK said, Woozi just said that Pledis was a really strict and hard company. Most of the fandom took it with humor, but I was really concerned about them and what they had to go through.
omg i remember that now that you mention it. oof they realyl do be our here exposing people
@@jihoonscarat I also remember seeing a 'writing on a wall' thingy( maybe written on some white board ) by S.Coups ( hope I got his spelling correct ). It was in small writing about not joining Pledis (directed towards girls wanting to be idols). I saw in a pin in Pinterest a few months back.
@@anikumar4610 You spelt it right. I saw that as a fan asked during a fanmeet if she should join Pledis and S.Coups told her to look elsewhere.
@@hgseeker oh, thanks for explaining.
Supposedly SM is a really awful company to be in too...
pledis when a group starts slowing down: “heyyyy mnet is there a new produce series coming up??”
💀😭😭😭😭
no no no first they send them to japan
then when they've gotten all they can out of that its produce time
nu'est/kaeun is the one who wants to join pd101 because they think that appearing there is the only chance for them to climb up again
Actually Pledis has no intention of sending them to Produce 101.
They were planning to let them rot in Japan instead.
The boys had gotten so desperate that they themselves got self admitted on the show. It was a last desperate attempt to revive their group as they were so far in debt from unsold albums that they were planning on disbanding.
Thankfully it worked out and now they are better off than they were before.
@James Henry Smith Fromis_9 isn't from Pledis. Why do you keep bringing them up?
there was a former pledis staff who left a rating of 1 and they said pledis has a terrible management skills to the point they feel bad for their idols.
lmao I havent heard about that but why am i not surprised
They even said that the workers of the company were just young people with no experience, that are just working there to meet celebrities
The way a lot of companies wanted to hire Pledis artists for a show or endorsement but either gets ignored or auto declined. Its sad.
@@jihoonscarat to put it into perspective, pledis's overall rating is 1.5 star. this is taken from a website that displays reviews from ex employees of companies in korea. kind of like some sort of linkedin. other entertainment companies got 2.something stars, pledis got 1.5 lmao imagine how bad they are
😂😂😂 left a rating of 1.
Kahi literally helped to build Pledis from the ground up with her connections in the entertainment industry. They would have been nothing without her.
I still remember when a carat said on fan sign that she’s going to audition in Pledis, and S.Coups said don’t do it😞 I can’t even imagine what’s going on in Pledis
😕 I feel bad for them
Still remember the time when S Coups stole grapes from the Ceo because all the other trainees were hungry and Nu’est could have been more popular and pristine too if it was not for Pledis and Sungkwan begged Pds to allow seventeen on their show since Pledis couldn’t do it for them or when they basically allowed kyla to get bullied because of her weight or when seventeen fought over tooth paste cause there was only a little left and they wouldn’t buy them more
Omg... The company is a trash oof
In conclusion seventeen's future is getting better every year
so far yes. I don't think PLEDIS will fuck them up, partly cause they are self producing but you really never know
Pledis cant do anything bad to Seventeen because if they do that it will be the end of them -__-
@@jihoonscarat I highly doubt BH would allow that to happen.
if pledis fucks them up, idek what to say anymore
@@che6785 no were just gonna burn Pledishit down🤚🏻
damn i'm a carat and i knew pledis seriously overworks seventeen but hearing you go through all of their tours, comebacks, unit debuts, etc without pausing for comments REALLY shows how much they're overworked
I know right ? That’s not mentioning the music shows, tv shows, commercials and more
They overwork SVT and leave the other idols rotting in the basement.
Just look at one year and you can tell. In 2020 they had 2 Korean comebacks, 2 Japanese comebacks, 2 special stages (fearless & Mansae) weekly going seventeen ep that had to be filmed prior. Promotions, caratland and etc… I swear they don’t care about there idols mental health
@James Henry Smith I've seen you comments this on other comments 😐 and pristin wouldn't "choose" to disband if they're managed properly
@James Henry Smith and maybe they (bighit) acquired Pledis because Nu'est and Seventeen is doing so well
I'm so happy nu'est got a second chance, produce 101 s2 really happened at the perfect time.
update: sadly they were failed by pledis again. :( gonna miss them so much.
I am too!
they really were the catalyst for idols rebooting
@@Butterball2829 yup
And yet pledis isn't doing their job right now again. They had one comeback in the whole of 2020, they're refusing to send them on shows, refusing photoshoots and other public events. Compared to what seventeen has in 2020 and the show appearances, nuest did absolutely nothing.
@K.G this!! Thank you for pointing these out! Pledis sucks ass and everyone(including seventeen) knows this
In early 2020, I FINALLY got to see Seventeen perform live in Seattle for their Ode to You tour. Towards the end, they were giving thank yous, and Vernon began to say thank you to Pledis and literally the entire crowd of Carats went silent. None of us cheered for Pledis. Carats know. Fans of all of their groups know. Pledis is terrible. Thank goodness BigHit basically owns them, now.
lmao that is so funny. I was supposed to see them in london but the date got cancelled. and yeah lets hope pledis have to follow new rules under bighit
Why don't you understand that an investor is not like a new owner? 😂 I've seen a lot of comments mentioning that BH will handle Pledis artists better or that BH will do this or that. This is not how external investment works. BH labels is an investor. It means that they will receive part of the profits from Pledis, but they will not replace any Pledis workers, much less will they have the power to manage Pledis artists.
It is as if you are a designer and started a clothing business, but you need an investor to start selling on a bigger scale. Someone decides to give you an amount of money for a certain amount of shares in your company. Obviously you have to pay him with a portion of the profits, but it doesn't mean that that investor can start to change your designs.
@@sunshine_sofia But BH made an acquisition not an investment.
Every single agency under Big Hit Labels keeps their management... Big Hit is like a financial partner, the only thing that they help Pledis with is promotions to get closer to the global market (as you can see Seventeen finally made their official US debut on the Late Late show with James Corden, 6 years after their debut).
Big Hit made an acquisition, that's true, but is more like an investment.
Is basically the same thing that they did with Source Music (The agency that has G-Friend)
Bighit actually doesn’t really have any “sayings”. They acquired them for business opportunities and to profit. PLEDIS is still the one to make decisions.
Also will never forgive them for fat shaming seungkwan, saying wonwoo couldnt speak in his towns dialect and how nuest only had one freaking comeback this year i actually thought they were doing better with nuest but i was wrong
@@amr-yg1xl what do u mwan they forced her to gain weight?
Nvm I was wrong. I'm just gonna delete the comment. Sorry
Pledis should just change their CEO to their vice-president. He's the one that fulfill all seventeen's wishes .
I totally agree with this one, like I don't know what kind of sacrifices their CEO made, but I think the Vice President deserved that title more
@@theamariedelacruz9913 Yeah. the only good thing pledis has ever done is making seventeen debut. seventeen literally saved pledis from bankrupcy.
@Karl Benedict Sanchez absolutely, like he even sold his house for them, accompanied Mingyu in his fashion show and supported SVT the best way he could
@@OnlyLilynn44 For SVT's debut expenses. Like the set of the mv, the outfits, make up.
@@OnlyLilynn44 for SVT's funding I think so
The only reason svt are still around is bc they are self produced and scoups literally fights with the company... I hate pledis
Jun wasn’t waiting in the hotel , he was waiting in goddamn airport for more than 24 hours
I HATE PLEDIS but love Nu'est.
lmao same
I love seventeen and nuest but i hate their entertainment!.
You keep saying the same thing. We all know that’s not the case
@James Henry Smith lowkey glad bighit saw the potential and bought it into hybe labels. hopefully it gets better
A couple of days ago an anti made a rumor about Seventeen's Jun meeting with a sasaeng and also about him dating a fan. She put some photos and videos of Jun that the fandom had never seen to prove that she was right, but the photos were actually taken from his WeChat moments (which are private) and she just had bought them from an Info. Seller. The worst part? Pledis did nothing about the situation. The rumor was clarified by other sasaengs and Info. Sellers, carats have been sending emails to the company for days for them to do something about the defamation, but the company haven't even released a statement
why am i not surprised that PLEDIS said nothing
Jun is my bias and yeah... Not surprise if Pledis did nothing
noooo :'(
Why I am not surprised about "Pledis" silence.
Yahh the sasaeng is already bitch to me!.
nu’est story always makes me tear up. They would’ve been super big rn if it wasn’t for pledis sending them overseas without allowing them to gain a fanbase. Thankfully produce 101 helped them a lot and now they gained recognition again. But i’ll still forever hate pledis for it.
Does anyone else remember how:
- vernon said that he did't let his sister audition for pledis
- and s.coups straight up told a fan who wanted to audition to not go during a fan meet
like bruh
Scoups did say it's Seventeen over Pledis and I think that's one of the reasons they're still going strong, I wouldn't be surprised when some members don't renew their contracts (but I hope BigHit changes things). If Pledis is still shit, Seventeen should just make a new company, it'll be hard but bitches are self-produced, they even helped in Caratland, they can do it.
I remember reading an interview by SVT where a member stated Mingyu was learning Financial Management or something like that.
The seventeen boys are so close I wouldn't be surprised if the just became their own company
They self produce and the company takes 80$ of profits when they poorly do their one job. I hope they break free.
im voting for scoups entertainment idc fk pledis
@@Umeshukitsune wow they take 80% then that leaves 20% for the group and their 13 members that’s basically nothing for each individual member just wow
Pledis doesn't own Seventeen, Seventeen owns Pledis at this point.... Like they even did a whole ass photoshoot themselves in gose lmao
*Pledis* is bad at handling Girl Groups.
while *JYP* is bad at handling Boy Groups
agreed wow
nahh pledis is bad at handling both tbh. svts case was an outlier because they had more direct control over some managerial decisions
The graduation concept never really works for K-pop groups. 9Muses had the same concept and it did not work out for them. Might as well leave that to the Japanese idol groups since they know how to do it. Also, I liked this video and I hope you do it for other companies.
It seems Pledis cares more about the individual separate projects than the actual full-group projects. It’s not fair
thinking bighit is gonna be a saviour is kinda naive, imho. after all it is too a company, who acquired shares for profit and business.
This 👆⬆️👏
I won't call BH savior but Pledis gets better security under BH. And better promos. With Seventeen they are pushing for some more promos as we are seeing rn. BH can esp help with western promo. And Nuest is getting a bit more exposure. But I'm waiting to see if Nuest will get a CB soon & how the promo for it will go.
@@vrindasuresh4784
Pledis doesn't need "extra" security when they have the *2nd best selling kpop group under them* !!! Nor they need extra financial investment from a parent company.!
If pledis had better managerial sense & fairness seventeen would have got all the exposure and budget they EARN & DESERVE.
This acquisition pours mostly into Bighit's interest, they bought seventeen in a very critical time just before their IPO..
They acquired the 2nd best selling group for more good market impression, stability & increased stocks.
Bighit takes out a big fat chunk of seventeen's profits & paychecks too.
The bread crumbs they're throwing for them is NOTHING compared!
Bighit is no savior nor a charity cause, they are not the good flawless company kpop stans imagine it to be!
It's a capatalist business monster looking for their profits & interests.
@@gem2148 Lol. Nobody said BH is saving Pledis or Pledis grps. Seventeen & Nuest were already doing good.
But there is definitely a reason Pledis became a subsidiary of BH bcos it's not a hostile takeover that happened. The way y'all make it sound like Pledis was forced into the acquisition is so baseless. (Most probably u came from stan twt, believed all the hit tweets there & hence claiming so).
And all companies work for profit, obviously. And BH is nowhere perfect. They are very profit oriented like any other company. If they can't benefit from an acquisition, why would they do it? Guide your anger towards Pledis more, who let this happen if you are worried abt profit distribution.
And if Pledis was really looking to be acquired, I'm relieved it's BH rather than few other companies that I know which ran the groups in the acquired companies to grounds.
And again, I'm waiting for the long term effect to see what the acquisition will bring abt.
@@vrindasuresh4784
Lmao, pledis CEO made TON from the acquisition. That's why he handled the company to Bighit.
No one even mentioned "a hostile take over"!
It's another interest driven decision.!
Bighit went into *debt* just to acquire pledis.!
It's the easy quick financial income behind the decision for pledis's upper management rather than anything else!
Nuest did so well. They stayed together and went through hardships together. I don't even know them but I became emotional seeing them getting popular after such a long journey. (T.T)
I see Pledis just don't know how to care for idols. I wonder if they see and respect idols as humans or not. The mistreatment I heard here is just unbelievable. They're unpredictable, bad at managing and just too much strict. And wth they take so many money from seventeen and other artists? I can't even say what the heck they did to pristin! 🤦♀️
I heard about Pledis being bad from fans but today I came to know how much.
@K.G that's sad to hear.... I would say if they want they better leave Pledis together and make music in a different company, if that's possible.
Hello Venus were apart of Pledis as well that’s why there’s 2 boy groups back to back.
Pledis decided to break their contract with Fantagio, taking back 2 of their members while the rest decided to continue with Fantagio for a revamp.
Hello Venus added 2 new members and came back with the song Sticky Sticky.
Unfortunately they had disbanded after their contracts ended (7 Year curse)
Yeah I was thinking about adding them but I just couldn’t find too much info whilst they were in Pledis. I am sure they were treated horribly as well cause that’s what Pledis does
@@jihoonscarat They were in a third company created between both companies: Tricell Media. But what trully affected them were the disagreements between both parties that totally put their intended come back in a shelf when they had a good momentum after they're "Do You Wanna Drink Tea?" come back. Also, Pledis didn't want to loose their investment and they wrongly pulled their 2 members out. As a result, the members left soon & Hello Venus never trully take off, as Fantagio had its own issues too.
I like that After School always had a new talent or skill to preform with. They are the only group I can think of that did that. Then Orange Caramel...the creativity is just woow and the iconic AAAHHS.
N'Uest is one of the greatest comeback stories ever.
I feel like seventeen is the only group to “survive” pledis and the companies curse. They’ve been doing hella amazing since debut, and I hope and wish that it never stops and they continue being successful. But I also feel bad for them and the other groups under pledis. After school/orange caramel did so well but because of the mistreatment and horrible stuff pledis has done. Nu’est also had a thing going for them, and I feel like people should have been supportive of the boys changing their concept. And pristine probably had the worst of them. I hope the girls/guys of these groups are find amazing rn
Here’s to hoping the next group they’re in doesn’t disband too soon. Pristin should redebut in a new company. Pledis is screwed. Time to bring Pledis out of existence!
i need orange caramel back
edit: and afterschool. they had so much potential. they’re really the best dancers. look at their performances
Before girl groups ever come back (like After School) things for Pledis need to change. Like, lose Han Seong Su would be a start
Jr shouldnt had taken the responsibly of what pledis had done to nuest he was literally such a good leader for staying by their side even through the hard times it breaks my heart that even thought for a second it was his fault
Man i feel bad for kaeun. She finally got the a chance to go on stage again only for the produce 48 to manipulate votes and kick her out :( i was rlly rooting for her too. She got ruined by the corruption of companies.
Let's not forget how Pledis started taking random statements that Lizzy made out of context to make her look bad after she called them out. And that's not the only time they've treated Lizzy badly. Back when she released her solo single "Not an easy girl", she found out that she owed Pledis money when she got her "paycheck", but that's because they had almost gone bankrupt at that time, so Lizzy was basically a victim of their mistakes. They also didn't defend her when netizens shamed her for her weight (sounds familiar), calling her a skeleton or saying that she looks like a walking corpse.
Raina's solo career wasn't nice either. Pledis didn't promote her activities and just left her like they did to After School IN THE MIDDLE OF HER PROMOTIONS, so they were cut short. Raina's participating on a show called Miss Back now because she wants her career back, hope it goes well because she's so talented and Pledis did her really dirty.
It was ridiculous how content they were with the fact Raina did well digitally, but they never pushed through. They always mismanaged everything, from Dambi to Han Dong Geun who miraculously got a hit a year or so after it'd been released but who also ruined his own career with some sort of scandal.
@Love Paint Is what I said "who also ruined his own career" but before that, they did mismanage him for a long time, until he suddenly got famous for appearing in a TV show & got his single climb into the charts.
ik I am still a big supporter of raina and I have her ep but I wish she could maybe go to another company where she can do better
*sees the title as a nu'est stan* ah yes...
honestly tho, they deserve so much better. they're the kind of group that would have millions and millions by now if their company could do things right and it sucks to see how irrelevant they are nowadays.
@K.G that honestly sucks so bad, seeing as nu'est is one of the closest groups in the industry. they refer to each other as a family and everything they went through made them so much stronger as a group of 5. i have no idea why pledis would ignore such a close group of friends and instead have them do solo activities
@sophia navaid hi :) nice to see other people loving nuest as well
@@beepbeepdying125 fr. i've never seen such a genuinely caring and close group as nu'est and they're all crazy talented.
Pledis did Nu’est dirty but I’m really thankful and happy that Nu’est are now super famous in Korea
Thankxx for the video
no company can do their job right honestly...
you’re not wrong
No one does it right, but there is definitely "lesser evil" compared to Pledis. If one of my family members or friends really desperately wanted to go to a Kpop company, I would reluctantly recommend SM (SM's major problem is having a dysfunctional legal team that can't defend their artists properly when they're under defamation attacks - as well as overworking their artists which is not unusual because Korea doesn't have very strong worker's protection laws to begin with) or many other smaller companies, but definitely not Pledis, YG or Cube.
These three companies are just complete trash and a complete waste of talents.
JYP is also very trash in my opinion. I still can't get over how they pressured Momo into eating only ice cubes for weeks so that she could lose "enough" weight for the debut. Freaking inhumane.
@@HanQ28 yeah and they just gave up on Got7 too
@@Carat538 Got7 is from JYP. But yeah they pretty much just gave up
@@ormhp8575 yeah I know, the person brought how jype is also very trash that's why I mention got7
Pledis, YG, and Cube are really trash entertainments.
agreed
yg isn’t that bad but yes
Lets add SM
Lets add TS too
@@annavel2533 what?😶 there not any better than pledis really
as a carat, i feel like i could write a book on 2020 alone just for svt. all the setbacks and mistreatments run through every pledis artist's career and it's so frustrating
Could u tell me some or send me a link explaining them? I don’t know a lot of them lol
Literally...AFTER SCHOOL is one of the best and most iconic kpop groups...imagine if Pledis didn’t let them fall off in 2014!!! Ugh
Just wanna add something about Nu'est XD
-Baekho supposed to be a part of Wanna One but his votes got manipulated
-I believe that Nu'est is the group who took the longest time to get their first win
But still, Nu'est is my ultimate group 🥺❤️
I'm an After School stan, still listen to their music, and I just want to add some meat to the AS section.
When Uee (pronounced Yu-ee) was added to the group, she blew up. She was everywhere. I firmly believe that's the reason why BOY gave them their only win on music shows because Uee was THE it girl of the time. In contrast, there were a lot of targeted hate towards Uee and subsequently AS because she was so popular. People photoshopped her into porn to ruin her career, AS was labelled the second worst vocal group of KPOP specifically mentioning Uee and Nana. I think that impacted AS's overall fame. Also, Uee did a lot of solo activities, even missing on most of the Bang! promotions. Her fame was used to promote herself a little bit more than AS, so AS was often left in the shadows. I also think Shampoo is like a stain on their discography, every time they came back as soft (Shampoo and Lady Luck in JP) it NEVER charted well and then Kahi and Bekah left so a lot of the heart and soul of AS was gone and when Jung Ah left it was a done deal. First Love was super close to a Inkigayo win but Sistar moved their comeback a week early, which I believe due to the fact that Sistar was advertising this "ring" dance and AS was advertising the pole and they wanted to be first as to not get compared (some members even commented that they were worried it would be similar), and Sistar won that week over AS who came in second. Still a little salty but whatever lmao
They also went to JP because they got an A.M.A.Z.I.N.G. record deal at the time with Avex, which is a JP record company that usually only signed SM artists. I remember thinking that this would be great for their career and it was because they sold more in Japan than in Korea and went on their only tour because of JP. I remember staying up till like 4am to watch their livestream for their first JP concert, its one of my fondest memories of them. They were seeing a lot of fame in JP that they had lost in Korea, so I understood why they focused on that instead. My biggest issue with the JP comebacks were the stupid ass chipmunk voices they made Kahi and Lizzy do for the raps. We know they both can rap better than that. It was so frustrating.
That being said, my girls stay making history with their comebacks and their trend setting. They were the ONLY girl group to debut women close to their 30s and show these young bitches how its done. They were the ONLY girl group to bring these different concepts to their comebacks that required talent and wasn't just a gimmick. I'm extremely proud of them and it saddens me that they were a victim of circumstance and poor management because they had the potential to make it really big.
I am still salty they were titled too sexual for using the pole dance, yet other idols are free to do it without being judged. I mean my girls did well, can they just praise them for doing well 🥺 I swear AS is a queen group but somehow people want them disappear. They had so much potential and the girls were so loyal 😢 Nana has her loyalty to AS until now
The pole dancing made the day for them. It was a huge investment the company never refunded because they lacked the mutizens and awards they should had recieved for it. But before that, there were too many mishaps already, Han Sung-Soo has always been a fan of copying Japanese companies' ideas, but he could, as well, learnt what works and what doesn't for a group you want to base on an admissions and graduations concept, as well as put more effort on promoting. Most times Pledis barely lasted a month promoting a song (with any act), when the norm used to be to stay the longer you can last to gain some profit back. Also, the pushed-back Japanese debut affected a lot their schedule as much as it did they mishandle of Bekah, who should had never felt that way to leave twice. And years later they just did the same thing with Kyla!
Also, their record deal with avex was good at the time, but as years went by, it was obvious they got stuck in a niche market that, while it made them money & granted them tours, it wasn't enough, the same it isn't for most Japanese female vocal & dance groups that always end up disbanding, idol or not, unless they succeed to crossover and be in TV all the time (and not because the company pushes for them to be) & release singles continuosly and do, at least, Arena Tours.
When AS promoted in Japan, they didn't even had that much staff following around (from avex and, allegedly, none from Pledis) & had to go the cheap way most of the time. Althought not as mistreated like NU'EST were by Ariola, and always provided decent releases (even the worst AS JP release is still better than most crap KPop acts get when promoting there, including SNSD) with fair enough decent Japanese verses (which is also an issue with KPop acts promoting there). But the promotions in Japan always took time away from possible promotions in their local market, and then there was also that crazy Chinese deal with Yuehua that ended so badly and with all Pledis' acts being blacklisted.
I am Playboyz too And I hate Pledis😭
SO TRUE AF ! T.T I stan After School from the start of AH... It was like they are UNIQUE with their charisma somehow, and they are not FORCED to be SEXY.. They are just naturally sex appeal... We cannot deny that Kahi, Bekah, Jungah are the heart and soul but of course, I really like all members... Even my bias, Juyeon got so much few lines as ever, but she and the group always present DIFFERENT every comeback... And of course, After School always SLAY on HOT concept... like AS Blue, Flashback, First Love, Rambling Girls. They are REALLY CHARISMATIC STAGE PERFORMER... Can't take my eyes out of them They are just SLAYING !!! (Even Shampoo is one of my fave song because of Raina's angelic voiceand Lizzy's lines )...
Kahi, Soyoung, Bekah, Juyeon, Jungah, Raina, Nana, Lizzy, E-young, Kaeun (Poor Kaeun and fuck Produce48 for the scandal :( )
Among all those artist I feel bad to nuest which is very talented group.who took six years to receive their first win which happend after going trainee life again through produce 101.despite of bad management from company I admire them for their determination to reach their goal all the good things that happened them was bcoz of their relationship with each other so the still remain as a complete group ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
(i could be wrong since it was so long ago but) to add on svt's rings: i remember around the time they debuted in japan, as merchandise pledis was selling duplicates of the rings which is terrible knowing that they are so meaningful to the boys :( thankfully, carats voiced their concerns though and they ended up never selling the rings but that honestly seems like the only time they've listened to carats/fans of their groups
Wow, they are so selfish🙄. I'm not amazed enough
It was so frustrating as a fan of Nu'est to see their popularity decline like that. To go from having one of the most popular, iconic debuts to be almost completely forgotten so soon. I too pretty much stopped listening to them after Sleep Talking came out. I thought Hello was pretty good, but not what I expected from them, but then Sleep walking was just not it. It's not a bad song, but I don't know how they thought that people who were fans of them because of Face would like that cb, it just didn't work. I did like Overcome, but aside from that I almost completely forgot about their existence since they weren’t promoted properly until prd101. My main reason for watching Produce was just to see the Nu'est boys. I'm glad they're back to making music that makes sense for the group and the fans, I just really wish Pledis would treat them right. I hope things get better behind the scenes now that BHE is involved, but to be honest, my hope isn't all too high.
Just wanna mention a few things !
-I don't pronounce everything 100% correct as I am not Korean and English is not my native language. I try my best though!
- I miss spoke in the beginning! The founder of PLEDIS is Han Sung-Soo!!
-I don't mention all the things they did wrong so I highly recommend that if you're interested in this topic to do some research yourselves
-I also want to mention that as I say in the video, PLEDIS has done some good things but in my opinion the bad out weighs that
-I didn't have time to mention more recent things like the Wonwoo incident.
-Lastly there are some amazing comments under here talking about other things Pledis has done so check them out!
You did great I understood everything you said and thank you 👍
The thing I don't understand is
what control does BIGHIT LABELS have on PLEDIS
cause I wish BIGHIT makes PLEDIS a little better atleast 😅
Can you one on dsp media. Please that will be nice. Is not that be fine.
thank you! that's good to hear
from what I unerstand is PLEDIS will still be their own company and they only get finacial support and help with like training/vocal lessons and such. I don't think they have any direct ruling over PLEDIS, but idk I think we'll have to wait and see
Nuest is actually a very good group. I don’t profess to know much about them but their vocals are good man! I just believe Pledis just doesn’t know how to move their artists in the right direction. Their artists sheer talent is what has projected them forward. It is sad to see so much time wasted but I believe the move to BHL has helped. Geez Pledis is just a mess of a company when it comes to treatment if it’s artists!
If only Pledis reads the emails..
In fact the acquisition of BH did not help anything
@@cecilia.8804 may I know how it didn’t help because I don’t understand because though the songs and everything is copyrighted by pledis the management can improve under BHL . I am confused.
Pledis all you need to do is to promote and treat them well. Nu'est, Seventeen and Bumzu are producing their OWN songs you just need to treat them properly!! Ren is suffering beacause of malicious comments but no legal actions from pledis, Aron is the first one to announced his hiatus and not pledis wtf 😡
So amazed nu'est lasted this long. I was a fan since 2012 and saw how much their popularity went down after the 2nd year. They must really love the group and performing so much that they kept persevering.
Pledis makes amazing groups and artists, however they suck at managing them and treats them badly!
I hope that with them being under Bighit will force them to change some stuff, because Pledis doing this shit is going to not only make Pledis look bad, but also Bighit!
I hope so too
The only thing that will work is if Bang Shi Yuk removes Han Sung Soo as CEO. Seriously, that guy is the worst
Han Seong Su is a scammer. A disgrace.
Nuest nuest nuest nuest nuest nuest ❤️ ❤️❤️❤️❤️ JR is the great leader when company did not support them JR always cried saying he is the fault that members are suffering while talking positive of his company such a beautiful soul I wish many international fans support them bcoz they are talented artist but underrated.
I will forever be the most impressed by "First Love" because learning pole dancing takes INCREDIBLE determination, practice and skill. You're practically training every muscle in your body to keep you balanced and moving on the pole, and graciously and beautifully at that! It's one of my favourite forms of dancing for that very reason.
I wanna learn it myself once I build enough confidence lolol
pledis came to the point that their artists find their own way to save their careers and do everything for their success. this is why im a bit sensitive about people trying to come to pledis artists because they are honestly trying their best to stand for themselves since pledis is so lazy to work
Orange Caramel never coming back still makes me so sad. Nuest was done so dirty and to this day I'm bitter. Seventeen deserve so much more than the company cares to provide.
This doesn't even begin to highlight the mistreatment and mismanagement NUEST has gone through being under Pledis.
We just want NUEST to be treated fairly :(
After School had the most diverse and unique concept and styles for a kpop group. shame on Pledis for not doing their job as a company tho
Nu’est deserves the best. I loved the boys since their debut and they are all amazing and chaotic. It sucks that Pledis decided not to further their Korean fandom at the beginning of their career because they should be huger and huge but it’s getting much better with new Loves. Please support Nu’est y’all
i'm not even finished w the video yet i just wanna thank you for talking about nu'est bc they were my first kpop group back in 2016 (ren is my fav
nu'est (after school too) was pledis guinea pig. HSS did what he wanted with them, change concepts, not maintain a good fanbase, send them to japan way early and without managers, etc. i feel happy and proud nuest renewed together even though until now they're still mismanaged (doesnt matter if theyre self-produced they got one comeback last year) hopefully they leave pledis once their contracts are up. for real nuest deserve a documentary they been thru a lot not only within the company but in the industry.
Tbh im glad seventeen still managed to be quite popular despite being under such an inefficient company. It really shows they're passionate about music/performance.
Seventeen is not just quite popular they are one of the most popular boy groups
Somehow I feel thankful that Big Hit decided to eat Pledis but I also hope that other people specially those who do not really know pledis artists should stop thinking that they'd get big just because of Big Hit. These artists worked really really really hard just to be on top because Pledis sucks. Their hard work does not deserve to be putted away just because a well known company decided to adopt them ☹
They were already big and doing well imo but i kinda understand where some people come from in the sense that bighit acquiring them did put them on the radar of people who weren't already part of the same audience. Bighit already has a big audience that doesn't overlap with the audience pledis artists had. so bighit acquiring them will only help get more people interested even if all the people who follow bighit doesnt automatically become fans, it still creates that opportunity which is a good thing. fuck anyone who says they are popular ONLY because of that, but it's not a bad thing to say that they will become BIGGER because of it. they were big and they would have became bigger even without bighit, but bighit will definitely accelerate that process.
Pledis never fails to frustrate me, but I really enjoyed this video cause I recently wrote a research paper for my East Asian pop culture class, centered around Seventeen and how they overcame Pledis' mismanagement.
Thank you! Also what a great subject for your paper!
I just found this youtube channel yesterday and I'm so glad I subscribed! This is a wonderful video, I always knew that Pledis was a bad company and watching this video only reaffirms that. It's horrible that Pledis has gotten away with mistreating so many groups.
First of all thank you so much, that means so much to me! And yeah once I started my research it just kept getting worse and worse. I legit HATE this company
For me,im always imagine Gfriend could have their own sisters if pristin and afterschool still exists 😌
they not sisters because they not in the same agency only the label
Nu’Est and Seventeen have message boards, artist posts, and announcements on Weverse app. I’m new to k-pop, so everything is new to me. I had heard Nu’Est had been through a lot of bad things, and I was curious about it.
Seventeen really working their ass off making this company to still exist.
catallena is one of the most iconic moments in kpop history
BACK HERE TO SAY PLEDIS HAS DONE IT AGAIN WITH NUEST 😭😭
I mean After School would be a huge hit now. Their song is BOP
Info on Son Dambi
She actually debuted in 2007 with Cry Eye, great song and got a but of attention. She then released Bad Boy which featured Kahi, who would go on to debut in After School.
She had her break out hit with Crazy, her 3rd released in Sept. 2008. The song and chair dance went viral.
Then in 2009 she had another huge hit with retro inspired Saturday Night. She helped build up the company and make money for After Schools debut. She also got popular from her time on variety show We Got Married, as a fake couple with Marco. She had a few more comebacks such as Queen in 2010, but never had the same huge success as with Crazy and Saturday Night. After Queen she didn't release anything until 2012. Some suspect she want supported by Pledis after Queen didn't do well and they focused on other, younger artists ( she was 27 when she released Queen)
She did however, move into acting and noticabley lost tons of weight. She started focusing on acting and had one last single Red Candle, in 2013 before leaving Pledis at the end of her contract and moving into acting full time. She most recently had a supporting role in When The Camelia Blooms.
There tons of info on her wiki.
i knew mostly about what pledis did (or didn't do) to seventeen, thank you for making this video now i despise that company even more
you are welcome! thank you so much
such a shame that the groups under Pledis are very talented yet Pledis just wasted them. they cannot even treat their current artists well. SEVENTEEN remained in the industry because they do all the works by themselves and if not, maybe pledis ruined their career too. i was actually happy that Pledis got acquired by BigHit, not because my ult group is under BigHit but because we can't deny the fact that in terms of handling artists, BigHit is much more better. yes, their main goal was in terms of profit (all companies are), but if u're under BigHit u'll have much more opportunities. they deserve to be promoted more globally. maybe SEVENTEEN's situation right now is still isn't that good for them since BigHit gets profit from them too aside from Pledis but i hope in the future, as they will be promoted more and expose in global music industry, they will be more successfull and they will earn more. tho Pledis is still an independent company, i do believe that BigHit has still a say on the artists under them.
i also like when Bang-pd praised SEVENTEEN on their last global conference. like Pledis CEO cannot geez
I still remember a photo from pinterest. The fan said to Seungcheol that she will be a trainie at pledis and told her not to.
i literally feel so bad for nu'est. ive been their fan since help me era, after i started stanning i watched the videos of them in produce x 101 and it was so sad because they were crying in almost every video i saw and that hurts me so much because they're wonderful people im happy now that bighit acquired pledis because bighit is a fantastic company and maybe that'll help. i stan nu'est, seventeen and stan pristin even though they disbanded but please pledis take care of nu'est because they're treasures and im far from being biased because they're not my ults and i prefer rookie groups over older ones but please pledis do yo work well and take the best care of nu'est😠 by the way i never knew about minhyun and salt and that was so terrible like- its like you get a cat when you are allergic to cats-
I watched pd101 and as much as i enjoyed the show they showed nuest in a bad light in the first episode, like the were not supposed to be there or that they weren't talented because they didn't too well on their grading performance, but i mean they were probably shitting themselves bc of nerves
also. yes that salt things is mind blownig. as a person that has a bunch of allergies i avoid all those things. i cant even wrap my head around what pledis was thinking
Ik that this is an overused quote, but u have to admit; ITS TRUE.
"Pledis isn't managing Seventeen, Seventeen is managing Pledis."
And thats fax.
who said it
I remember years ago i heard that seventeen used to have to buy their own supplies (i.e. headphones for perforamce for example) for performance
What a dispicable company
audibly gasped when you said minhyun was allergic to salt, that company is not seeing heaven
I remember a bunch of staff that left the company rating it only one star saying things like “no one is experienced in that company,” “no one knows what they are doing” “I feel bad for the idols.”
And all that stuff, not to forget that they once told wonu to stop speaking in his dialect (apparently they even laughed at either his dialect or his singing.) the boys had so buy their own food, manage their own equipment and so much more that I can’t stop feeling bad. Or the time Seungkwan literally had to go to TH-cam comments of variety shows to somehow beg them to come on their show because PLEDIS didn’t want to do it. Ir when they fat shamed Seungkwan. Or when they made fun of fans who biased Dino and one other member (forgot who). Scoups even told a fan to not join PLEDIS. I hate it. Don’t make me start on the whole wonwoo controversy with the curry song and his birthday.
Thank god seventeen are a self producing group.
Even more things, it’s honestly crazy.
i am not a seventeen stan but that concert video (when jeonghan and s coups couldnt perform) really broke me....
I know 🥺 it’s so sad cause I know the members felt upset and I’m sure some fans got angry over this
Awesome job on such a long video. I can only imagine the time it took to research all of this on top of making the video and the outcome definitely shows that. Keep up the amazing work!
Update: Nuest is disbanding after 10 years. Members JR, Aron and Ren decided not to renew their contracts and will leave their company
but now we know that KaEun actually should have made it into the debut of IZ*ONE, if it had not been for the rigged voting. I love IZ*ONE as it is now, but it would have been interesting to see the interactions between KaEun, Sakura, and Chaeyeon if they had all been in the group together.
actually, bighit had been waiting for the papers to be approved so that pledis could merge with bighit and its been approved. So pledis will be actually bound to bighit and bighit will have more control over pledis. for example gathering up trainees to use for shows and to debut. I just hope now that pledis is actually bound to bighit, pledis will actually start to be better.
its such a silly wish, but i just want it to be true. just please.
from my sources it says that pledis is still going to work as their own company, but i mean maybe theyll have to follow new rules under bighit
@@jihoonscarat yeah, they'll still operate independently, but now if bighit ask them to do something, they'll have to listen.
Why don't you understand that an investor is not the owner? 😂 I've seen a lot of comments mentioning that BH will handle Pledis artists better or that BH will do this or that. This is not how external investment works. BH labels is an investor. It means that they will receive part of the profits from Pledis, but they will not replace any Pledis workers, much less will they have the power to manage Pledis artists. Although, being majority shareholders, BH labes have the ability to reject projects that Pledis proposes.
It is as if you are a designer and started a clothing business, but you need an investor to start selling on a bigger scale. Someone decides to give you an amount of money for a certain amount of shares in your company. Obviously you have to pay him with a portion of the profits. It doesn't mean that the investor can start to change your designs, but has a voice in all the projects that are proposed.
@@sunshine_sofia you do know that they do own them right? They've actually been merged
@@sunshine_sofia like did you just not fucking read my comment or sumn??? i literally said that they've been merged. MERGED. Bighit DOES own them. a simple google search will literally tell you this. dont believe me, bighit has stated this themselves MANY times.
i really cried watching the parts of the vid where svt were talking about their injuries, they deserve to be happy and healthy as much as anyone else:( i hope things change for good for all the artist that are under pledis and for the ones that left, to find a company that treats them well.
I’m not a Nu’est stan, but I knew all the songs you played. I’ve been really thinking of stanning them and I’ve decided to be a new LOVE today. They deserve so much better, and the most I can do is stan them for their talent ^^
Pledis got the graduation system from Japanese groups AKB48 and their sister groups and Morning Musume, who have done it successfully so it CAN definitely be done right
Oh yea it definitely can, but I think it’s just not something most KPOP fans, specially at the time wanted. It’s a nice idea, I totally get why it works, I just think most fans get scared of by constant member changes
Thank you for this video my first group that I've heard going into kpop and still my ultimate group is Nu'est and I've cried so much about the misstreatment towards the babies 😭😭
congrats on this video getting traction! it's really well made, providing a well organized timeline. i wasn't planning on watching the full hour, but here I am intrigued asf
Awh thank you. I wasn’t expecting it to have so many views but I’m happy since I want to bring attention to this issue
Orange Caramel had more Korean promotions than After School.
tysm for making its nice to see someone that actually stans pledis groups to make a vid about them
you're welcome. i love thier groups so much and it just makes me so angry to see the way they are treating them
Im still heartbroken everytime I watch produce, JR thinking he's the reason they failed when it was entirely on the company and thinking he had bad leadership and he's known as the nation's leader
Jun and Minghao didn't go to the Auckland concert in 2016 either because Pledis was so useless they didn't bother to check NZ visa requirements so they didn't get the visas they needed and couldn't get into the country to perform.
Kinda sad you didn’t get much into details on Son Dam Bi. She was one of the ‘it’ girls back then. She was huge and had hit songs, which are still bops (check out ‘Crazy’ and her chair dance).
She’s into drama now and she was amazing in When the Camellia Blooms.
Let's be honest, svt can actually make their own company
I was such HUGE after school fan. They could literally do anything. Even losing Kahi didn't screw them but it's clear Kahi was the only reason Pledis paid attention to them. If they had the resources their Japanese label gave them for their Korean releases they would still be soaring.
There was also Hello Venus, which was a group by Pledis and Fantagio. Fantagio was in charge of their acting, and Pledis was in charge of their music releases. The merge of the two agencies managing the group was so messy, of course it would fail.
Thank you for this video! This is an eye opener and I appreciate all the research that you had before coming up with this video. Thank you very much~
you're welcome, thank you for watcing!