How did it affect the handling of the Z? Should have made it feel a touch stiffer as you're lower to the ground now. Any rubbing on the inner tires as well (full lock to full lock)? Looks sick bud. The Z is coming along nicely. Now about your C6Z.... 😅
@@TheWolfMatt Thank you! Handling feels a tad tighter but ride quality remains unaffected! No rubbing that I've seen/heard! Stay tuned for the C6 Z06! Something really cool coming!
Some advice from a GM tech here. The wires for the shocks definitely have to go back in their respective locations in the connector for proper shock operation.. now if they are put in wrong is it something you can feel I don’t know haha. No power tools should ever be used on that top nut to diassemble the shock, those wires run all the way down inside the unit and even the slightest twist or turn can/will cause the shock to fail or fail prematurely. If it doesn’t spin with the power tool then I guess youre okay but I wouldn’t chance it on a shock with a 1-2k price tag. There’s a recommended GM scan tool bleeding procedure for the front suspension lift pump. They are a pain to bleed properly sometimes and I’ve also had some units fail because they weren’t bled properly from the factory. A gravity bleed can work but you may have to cycle and let the suspension settle between bleeds. Just my 02 cents haha.
Justin this was a very informative video with Korey, what a guy to have to express his expertise on how it should be done the right way and thanks again for the great content and bye the way Nate and the team did a fantastic job doing the PPF of my car at BOT of Miami. Stay safe and hope to see you soon.
Great Video! I agree with the 15 mm spacers. They look correct. It's definitely nice to have somebody lower the car that has done it many times before! Awesome! 😎👍
Very informative video Justin, having Korey from paragon performance was a special surprise he made it look to easy and I agree the 15mm give the rear wheels the perfect look.
We have thought about it, however with adding a 5mm spacer to the front it would require the factory lug studs to be replaced with extended ones due to needing 13mm thread legnth for the lug nuts to be installed properly.
@@koreypayne9610 I assume still no option for spacing the CF wheels for the Z06? I'm seriously considering selling them because of the atrocious OEM inner wheel well stance. 😱
The lowering looks great. The perfect stance for the Z06. It should have come that way from the factory. I know some factory specs are not cool. That's why the aftermarket world is in business. Great job!!
Aloha Justin & Korey…I got what ya mean now from my question on Monday Live…makes sense and looks awesome. This drop will do it for me and I can see why now thanks to you guys! Korey makes it look too easy. Now to make it look as easy for Korey when flying to Hawaii for his next install🤪
@@koreypayne9610 Oh Yeah! Having Paragon foot the bill to paradise on my dime sounds like it’s what Korey really needs🤣 Winter? What is that? We just get a little more rain and temps in the 60s. Paragon is more than welcomed to branch out to Hawaii.
I purchased lowering collars for my c8 with front lift, and honestly I’m hesitant to have them installed due to all of the reviews I hear about them causing issues and voiding the warranty. At 13:00, I noticed a height sensor with stock links. I wonder if the links were adjustable, would that trick the sensor into believing the car is at stock height and not lowered. I only say this because I have a vehicle with adjustable links on it, because I adjusted the height. @Paragon Performance, we need adjustable links to stop the front lift issues when lowering our c8s with your collars.
That’s great to know. I planned to have mine installed Thursday. I barely use my front lift as is, I just want to reduce that monster truck size gap. Praying my front lift doesn’t fail on me.
Got the collars installed yesterday. I love the stance! The rear has coils, and were adjusted all the way down. The rear still sits a little higher than the front. Hoping it will settle and match the front.
Great video, the car looks great! Was there a GM service bulletin specifically for the paragon shock collars causing issues with the lift system calibration/functionality? There are youtube videos discussing stingray front lifts not working after lowering collars were installed.
There wasn't a service bulletin but if installed incorrectly they can cause issues with the front end lift. The lift is very picky about alignment that's why Korey spent so much time talking about how important it is to make sure things are put back in a specific order and to watch for binding, etc.
Great questions. The suspension warranty will be voided with any lowering collar not just ours. There is one specific video where the owner drove 8000+ Miles on our front lift collars THEN had an issue which shows that it's not our part failing but the hydraulic pump itself. As Justin mentioned, the install has to be done properly for the components to align correctly. Hope this answered your questions, Justin
Great video guys. I like the 15 mm, but I'd like to see 10 or 12mm preferably. Can't wait to see what's next. Thanks guy's. Paragon, you guys rock. Waiting impatiently for your ZO6 splash guards. 😊
awesome stuff, great mods. and now your bare-chested neighbor is famous! lol kudos to paragon on great stuff, great branding, great packaging. top notch products.
I always wonder what happens when you lower a car and the tire is that close to the fender. It would seem like at full suspension travel that the tire would hit the fender someplace on the inside. 🤔
Love the way this looks lower and spaced out. I wish it came this way. I’m curious how it affects daily drivability. Also, if you were to track this car at its limits, would it be better, the same, or worse than stock?
Good vid! A lot more work to lower then the C7Z that’s forsure. Do you notice a softer ride? Technically with letting in more spring travel you should see a softer suspension. Car looks great.
Justin, The car looks so good lowered 🔥 Any noticable change in ride quality when lowering it a little? Does it ride a little stiffer or anything? 214 👍 Currently -Shane
You can get the stiffer z07 springs from GM, just have to know that part numbers. We are working with HyperCo on lowering springs for the Z06 which will also stiffen the suspension slightly. - Justin
It was the exact video I spent a lot of time trying to find myself so now that I had the means to make it, here it is! 😁 The stock setup is already a 20/21 on the Z06.
Okay, so what is the verdict on spacers? There seem to be 2 very distinct camps on this: they are great and cause no harm, or they place extra stress on the lugs/bolts and could cause them to break/crack. I'm still undecided on which is more accurate.
I can’t imagine lowering any Vette😮 what streets do you have to drive on.🤔 if I lowered my car ,I could not even go around the block without dragging.😕
A look is only good for car shows. To be functional and drive on everyday streets will be damaging to New Z06. You will have the nicest Trailer Queen on the block that Nobody Will Ever See.👎
Not true at all. Literally have no issues driving this car lowered due to a functional front lift and the fact that clearance isn’t an issue to begin with on the c8.
The 20mm looks too aggressive compared to an un-widened stock front. The front wheels actually aren't aggressive enough. For perfect fitment, the fronts should be widened about 7-8mm and the rear about 17-18. Just doing the back without the fronts does indeed make the rear look too aggressive with 20mm.
Agreed. The fronts are just about perfect stock. I would say 8mm would be perfectly flush like you said and then 18mm in the rear but that's going to be hard to find.
Those wheel spacers are too big for the carbon ceramic brakes, they do not fit inside the lip of the rotor, you should remove them asap and replace with spacers that are made for the ccb brakes, like the Vetteproinc ones, look at their website, you are riding with a gap between the spacer and the lugnut, the only contact is the thin lip maybe not more than 1 mm, i am speaking up for your safety, your wheel can fall off due to the stress on the spacer, they can crack , spacer need to be laying flat onto the brakedisk, 100% contact and not 1% when only touching the thin outer lip of the rotor, please check with Paragon and explain, be safe brother
I never had any issues with them while installed but I have heard of the problem you're describing. I don't have the spacers on my car anymore but if I did, I would wait for the updated version from Paragon that will address that issue.
@ you are big on you tube with many followers, the right thing to do is take down the video or explain the danger of using these on ccb brakes, safety first brother!
You must be an electrician or a pipe welder or Union plumber. I don't know if any other type of trade that's going to pay you the kind of money to buy these expensive toys
My C8 Corvette Z06 is finally getting the look it deserves thanks to Paragon Performance! Use code "HPO" to save 5% on your lowering collars! 👍👍
Glad we could help with the stance of your Z06!
How did it affect the handling of the Z? Should have made it feel a touch stiffer as you're lower to the ground now. Any rubbing on the inner tires as well (full lock to full lock)? Looks sick bud. The Z is coming along nicely. Now about your C6Z.... 😅
@@ParagonPerformance I'm very happy you could as well! You guys ROCK!!
@@TheWolfMatt Thank you! Handling feels a tad tighter but ride quality remains unaffected! No rubbing that I've seen/heard! Stay tuned for the C6 Z06! Something really cool coming!
@@HorsePowerObsessed Looking forward to it bud. 😎
I like the twenty millimeter side.
It pokes just a bit too much for my liking.
Korey is the man! Literally the reason why Vette Syndicate does business with Paragon Performance!
💯
Some advice from a GM tech here. The wires for the shocks definitely have to go back in their respective locations in the connector for proper shock operation.. now if they are put in wrong is it something you can feel I don’t know haha.
No power tools should ever be used on that top nut to diassemble the shock, those wires run all the way down inside the unit and even the slightest twist or turn can/will cause the shock to fail or fail prematurely. If it doesn’t spin with the power tool then I guess youre okay but I wouldn’t chance it on a shock with a 1-2k price tag.
There’s a recommended GM scan tool bleeding procedure for the front suspension lift pump. They are a pain to bleed properly sometimes and I’ve also had some units fail because they weren’t bled properly from the factory. A gravity bleed can work but you may have to cycle and let the suspension settle between bleeds.
Just my 02 cents haha.
Appreciate it! Most of the things mentioned we did. Off camera the front lift was cycled a bunch of times.
Korey is a really cool dude. Paragon is top notch!! Great video, Justin and Korey.
Thanks, Jason! It was an awesome time!
She’s got the looks that kills! Thanks for this video of corvette wisdom
You’re very welcome!!
Justin this was a very informative video with Korey, what a guy to have to express his expertise on how it should be done the right way and thanks again for the great content and bye the way Nate and the team did a fantastic job doing the PPF of my car at BOT of Miami. Stay safe and hope to see you soon.
Glad you enjoyed it! I always try to keep it knowledgeable! We loved having your car at our shop!
Great Video! I agree with the 15 mm spacers. They look correct. It's definitely nice to have somebody lower the car that has done it many times before! Awesome! 😎👍
100% agree.
Wow !!
Korey knows his stuff, very informative video and very well done 👍👍
Thanks for sharing
Our pleasure! Thank you!
Justin very good vlog!! Korey from Paragon Performance is a very knowledgeable person!! Z06 Corvette looks amazing Justin!!👍🏽
Couldn't agree more!
Looking good , Alignment is a must
100%
So you took the car in for a full alignment after this mod?
Oh wow, that's SUPER easy! Great look Justin!
Thanks, Pat!!
Very informative video Justin, having Korey from paragon performance was a special surprise he made it look to easy and I agree the 15mm give the rear wheels the perfect look.
100% agree. 15mm is perfect!
What about 20 mm rear and 5 mm front to make it perfect? Saves the grinding and looks more aggressive with the lower stance.
That WOULD look even, but in my opinion, it pokes too much.
We have thought about it, however with adding a 5mm spacer to the front it would require the factory lug studs to be replaced with extended ones due to needing 13mm thread legnth for the lug nuts to be installed properly.
@@koreypayne9610 I assume still no option for spacing the CF wheels for the Z06? I'm seriously considering selling them because of the atrocious OEM inner wheel well stance. 😱
17:17 is awesome 🤣
😂😂😂
Thank you for the content Justin; the Z06 is looking awesome, and truly looking forward to all upcoming content; take care !
Appreciate it! Thank you!
Our cars are sitting identical now 🔥 LOVE IT Justin!!! This is why we are friends I don’t drive my cars stock at all either. Mods from the start!
Exactly!! Couldn't agree more!
I'm a simple man, I see a video of a mod for the Z06, I like the video and enjoy the show!
I totally agree!
The lowering looks great. The perfect stance for the Z06. It should have come that way from the factory. I know some factory specs are not cool. That's why the aftermarket world is in business. Great job!!
Totally agree!
Hello sir. I am from Penn Hills. Love the new Z06! you are very lucky guy
Thank you!! Feel free to check it out in person!
Thanks for the video great info. I am going with the 15mm on my Z07 Jerry
You’re welcome!! I highly recommend the 15mm
Car looks a million times better… but can you really go wrong with the Z06!! 😀😍
Agreed!!
Your car is most guys dream. Thanks for the vision.
Aloha Justin & Korey…I got what ya mean now from my question on Monday Live…makes sense and looks awesome. This drop will do it for me and I can see why now thanks to you guys! Korey makes it look too easy. Now to make it look as easy for Korey when flying to Hawaii for his next install🤪
lol yup! Every Z06 needs this treatment in my opinion.
@@HorsePowerObsessed 💯
I'm sure we can make something work :) Winters are long here in Iowa.
@@koreypayne9610 Oh Yeah! Having Paragon foot the bill to paradise on my dime sounds like it’s what Korey really needs🤣 Winter? What is that? We just get a little more rain and temps in the 60s. Paragon is more than welcomed to branch out to Hawaii.
@@markkutsythis will be on my expenses 😉 I’ve always intended to visit Hawaii and anytime I travel I always check for clients in the area.
I purchased lowering collars for my c8 with front lift, and honestly I’m hesitant to have them installed due to all of the reviews I hear about them causing issues and voiding the warranty. At 13:00, I noticed a height sensor with stock links. I wonder if the links were adjustable, would that trick the sensor into believing the car is at stock height and not lowered. I only say this because I have a vehicle with adjustable links on it, because I adjusted the height. @Paragon Performance, we need adjustable links to stop the front lift issues when lowering our c8s with your collars.
I’ve had mine installed for about a year/4000 miles without issue. 🤷♂️
That’s great to know. I planned to have mine installed Thursday. I barely use my front lift as is, I just want to reduce that monster truck size gap. Praying my front lift doesn’t fail on me.
Just make sure you line everything up right and you'll be ok. I haven't had any issues at all.
Got the collars installed yesterday. I love the stance! The rear has coils, and were adjusted all the way down. The rear still sits a little higher than the front. Hoping it will settle and match the front.
Car looks awesome Justin! Can’t wait to see it at Carlisle!
Thank you! We'll definitely see you there!
Looking forward to all of your mods. These 2 really made a difference. 👍
Glad you like them! I definitely agree!
Looks great!
Thank you!!
Nice video, getting to know your Ride, Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! More coming soon!
Justin, two great moves:
1. buying that car
2. hiring Corey for this job
Great content.
Thank you!
Great video, the car looks great!
Was there a GM service bulletin specifically for the paragon shock collars causing issues with the lift system calibration/functionality?
There are youtube videos discussing stingray front lifts not working after lowering collars were installed.
There wasn't a service bulletin but if installed incorrectly they can cause issues with the front end lift. The lift is very picky about alignment that's why Korey spent so much time talking about how important it is to make sure things are put back in a specific order and to watch for binding, etc.
Great questions. The suspension warranty will be voided with any lowering collar not just ours.
There is one specific video where the owner drove 8000+ Miles on our front lift collars THEN had an issue which shows that it's not our part failing but the hydraulic pump itself.
As Justin mentioned, the install has to be done properly for the components to align correctly. Hope this answered your questions,
Justin
But it looks sooo good 👍. I bought a set
Great video guys. I like the 15 mm, but I'd like to see 10 or 12mm preferably.
Can't wait to see what's next. Thanks guy's.
Paragon, you guys rock. Waiting impatiently for your ZO6 splash guards. 😊
Same here!!
@24:27 - Hi, neighbor dude! 😅
lol he is a really awesome neighbor!
I wonder did you check out the BAC plant in England?
awesome stuff, great mods. and now your bare-chested neighbor is famous! lol
kudos to paragon on great stuff, great branding, great packaging. top notch products.
😂😂😂He didn't want to be famous!
Nicely done! I'm looking for Z06 with exact same specs like yours but I can't find it anywhere.
Do you require a 4 wheel alignment after this modification. Hate to screwup these tires any quicker than you need to
Most likely, yes.
I personally advise an alignment check anytime you modify your suspension after 500 miles.
Very nice, it looks great, and it seems like a great product.
This is perfect! Can’t wait to until Paragon sells the 15mm spacers!
Coming soon!! Use code “HPO” to save 5% when you order!
I always wonder what happens when you lower a car and the tire is that close to the fender. It would seem like at full suspension travel that the tire would hit the fender someplace on the inside. 🤔
There is a "bump stop" inside the shock that prevents travel back that far.
@@HorsePowerObsessed So if you lower your car one inch, you've effectively limited the range of travel by 1 in. Or am I missing something?
Is there a bumpstop that needs to get cut? I didn't see one.
Nope! You're good to go.
@@HorsePowerObsessed awesome thank you
They are not making spacers for the front, 10mm or something like that?
Awesome mod ! I believe this car being all blacked out with red calibers is the best one by far !
Thanks!!
I would like to know if lowering charges the ride? Also I saw somewhere that lowering voids the warranty on the front lift.
I didn't notice any difference in ride quality. The lowering of the front would only be a problem with the front end lift if installed incorrectly.
15mm or 20mm both look great. It's all about preference. 😍
100% right!
Did you have to bleed any air out of the front lift after reconnecting?
Yes but it just involves putting the lift up and down a few times.
i like the 20 !
Great video man! Love it.
Thank you!!
Love the way this looks lower and spaced out. I wish it came this way. I’m curious how it affects daily drivability. Also, if you were to track this car at its limits, would it be better, the same, or worse than stock?
It should handle a little bit better than stock, but I didn’t notice any difference in the ride quality.
Good vid! A lot more work to lower then the C7Z that’s forsure. Do you notice a softer ride? Technically with letting in more spring travel you should see a softer suspension. Car looks great.
Why not install wheels with a better offset?
Do folks track these with spacers?
100 dollar spacers or 5,000 dollar wheels... Plus I really like the stock wheels outside of the offset.
Justin,
The car looks so good lowered 🔥
Any noticable change in ride quality when lowering it a little? Does it ride a little stiffer or anything?
214 👍 Currently
-Shane
It really does! No noticeable difference in ride quality which is awesome!!
They kind of need to have a Z06 logo on the wench for the Z06 car.
A before and after of the ride height would have been nice to see.
I measured the after height and showed it.
Ask Corey how to get Z07 package stiffer suspension and beyond.
You can get the stiffer z07 springs from GM, just have to know that part numbers.
We are working with HyperCo on lowering springs for the Z06 which will also stiffen the suspension slightly.
- Justin
does this work with mag ride?
Yes it sure does.
Great Mod
Definitely agree!!
How much would a job like that cost
I prefer to use a manufactured diamond tip gringer wheel. Only $30 more and lasts a long time.
I heard breakfast, haft to go to pamela’s, best pancakes made! go steelers!
How did you know this was the exact vid I was looking for?? lol Are those wheels still 19" and 20"? Plans to go with 20" and 21" in the future at all?
It was the exact video I spent a lot of time trying to find myself so now that I had the means to make it, here it is! 😁 The stock setup is already a 20/21 on the Z06.
Z06 comes with 20 & 21 wheels.
ACS rear mud guards to the rescue
Still don't have them yet... Hopefully someone comes out with them soon!
I guess the Stingray splash guards won't work then.
Awesome
totally sic man!!
Heck yeah!!! 🔥🔥🔥
The 20 is perfect. I’d get a set of custom offset wheels so the front comes out to match
Literally sitting in my garage as we speak!
@@HorsePowerObsessed nice!
This might sound like a stupid question, why didn't they split the difference between the 15 and the 22 ?? Like 18 or 19?
retooling cost necessary for that is a lot higher than most people realize.
Decisions, decisions, but I liked the 20mm better
20mm
Your neighbor made a cameo appearance.
🤣🤣🤣 I know. I gotta let him know cause he’s going to be embarrassed as hell
Thank you for not wearing sunglasses indoors 🙏🏼🤦🏻♂️
😂😂😂 just for you!!
Why not just lower it by spinning the collars, like others do on their C8's?
Front end lift changes that ability.
I have to wonder ,what is the objective of lowering and at what cost? 😬
To improve the look/reduce wheel gap. It often helps with handling as well (lowers the center of gravity) and just gives the car a more exotic look.
💯💯🎯
Lost me at cutting the stock studs. Wonder what the car looks like lowered without spacers.
The rear wheels are sunken in too much in my opinion.
Okay, so what is the verdict on spacers? There seem to be 2 very distinct camps on this: they are great and cause no harm, or they place extra stress on the lugs/bolts and could cause them to break/crack. I'm still undecided on which is more accurate.
No harm at all. I've used spacers on a bunch of vehicles and never had an issue.
@@HorsePowerObsessed Thanks for the feedback.
You're very welcome!
Síck-👍🏼
Thanks!
I can’t imagine lowering any Vette😮 what streets do you have to drive on.🤔 if I lowered my car ,I could not even go around the block without dragging.😕
I have never dragged any of my cars on anything after lowering. You just have to be careful.
A look is only good for car shows. To be functional and drive on everyday streets will be damaging to New Z06. You will have the nicest Trailer Queen on the block that Nobody Will Ever See.👎
Not true at all. Literally have no issues driving this car lowered due to a functional front lift and the fact that clearance isn’t an issue to begin with on the c8.
The 20mm looks too aggressive compared to an un-widened stock front. The front wheels actually aren't aggressive enough. For perfect fitment, the fronts should be widened about 7-8mm and the rear about 17-18. Just doing the back without the fronts does indeed make the rear look too aggressive with 20mm.
Agreed. The fronts are just about perfect stock. I would say 8mm would be perfectly flush like you said and then 18mm in the rear but that's going to be hard to find.
Go with the 15s...much better
Agreed!!!
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Got a nick name for her ?
Still working on that... Got any suggestions?
Knight Vision
Not bad…
I actually like the 20mm spacer better and you don’t have to butcher the studs. No brained.
Brainer 😊
Those wheel spacers are too big for the carbon ceramic brakes, they do not fit inside the lip of the rotor, you should remove them asap and replace with spacers that are made for the ccb brakes, like the Vetteproinc ones, look at their website, you are riding with a gap between the spacer and the lugnut, the only contact is the thin lip maybe not more than 1 mm, i am speaking up for your safety, your wheel can fall off due to the stress on the spacer, they can crack , spacer need to be laying flat onto the brakedisk, 100% contact and not 1% when only touching the thin outer lip of the rotor, please check with Paragon and explain, be safe brother
I never had any issues with them while installed but I have heard of the problem you're describing. I don't have the spacers on my car anymore but if I did, I would wait for the updated version from Paragon that will address that issue.
@ you are big on you tube with many followers, the right thing to do is take down the video or explain the danger of using these on ccb brakes, safety first brother!
I definitely will mention it in a vlog so people are aware!
d00d
🤘😎🤘
You must be an electrician or a pipe welder or Union plumber. I don't know if any other type of trade that's going to pay you the kind of money to buy these expensive toys
This video is very mislead, you guys did not once show or mentioned bleeding the front suspension.
That’s because you don’t have to. All you have to do is put the front end up and down a few times the air bubbles work themselves out.