I am also building a super duty. Horizontal stabilizer, elevator and rudder complete. Just starting the fuselage. Your content is an inspiration! Thank you so much for sharing your opinions, skills, and knowledge!!
I recently installed the knob panel and love that I don’t need to use the EFIS to change those three settings. I most like the ease of using the push button Baro and heading to set the bugs. Pushing Baro either sets the altimeter to GPS altitude when on the ground or to the closest airport that is broadcasting the ATIS...
Can't wait to follow your install for all of that equipment. It is going to be fun I'm sure, as it's literally 'plug in and play' for the most part, meaning lot's of play time :-)
Mark -- Hint if this is your first dual screen --- get a short length of Cat 5 cable with RJ45 connectors. Use that to connect the two screens together --- they will sync both screens so that when doing things like Nav updates, you only have to plug the flash drive into one of the HDXs and they will sync together automatically. [[Dynon didn't send that cable with my dual screens, but they told me to do that --- works GREAT]]
Thanks for the tip. I did talk to Dynon about that and I believe they sent me the cable so that updating one will automatically update both. I have 6,943 Dynon cables here now so I'm not sure if I have that cable yet or not LOL!
Wow that's allot of money. Impressive panel. I'm building mine too, but using more affordable system and getting approach fast stack to make easy on me. I'm not an electric engineer and all those cables are intimidating. I can't wait to see how it turns out. You are right about Garmin I just got my 175 and they forgot to pack the antenna..
Good choice Mark! I almost have the exact same setup in my S-19. Only difference is I have just one ADAHRS, Garmin SL-30 nav/com (nice to still have VOR and ILS capability) and a Garmin 496 which I would LOVE to swap out for the GPS 175. I even have the same servos (good choice on the SV42- the SV32s aren't very strong. I still see occasional Roll slip even with the SV42).
I was debating Dynon vs Garmin for my RV-8, but the other day in my friends certified light sport with a Dynon Skyview, less than 200 hours since new, I experienced a locked up screen in flight!
Most people don't like to talk about the cost. I'm building an RV14A same IFR panel as yours only Garmin at $34,000 and change. I would like to know what the Dynon cost. Nice touch at the end. LoL
Another reason to go with Dynon! Go use their System Configurator and you can load it up with autopilot and servos and dual screens and still be under 20k!
I would scrap the D10A... you have dual screens already and it just isn’t bright enough. Plus you’ll be resetting the pressure settings every time because it doesn’t sync with anything else.
I just purchased an unfinished 750 Cruzer. It is coming with dual Dynon screens. Not sure if the seller was going for IFR or not. At this point I think I want to make it IFR. What are you going to connect to the Arinc 429? Thanks
I’ll be super interested in your GPS175 hookup. I have the HDX in my Skylane, and I love it, but I want IFR also and I’ve heard they work great together but hookup is interesting...
@@KitplaneEnthusiast yeah, that’s what I’ve been reading, too. I totally agree with what you said about the Dynon customer service, so hopefully them being helpful will really shine in this case ;)
I’m doing a marathon catching up on six months worth of videos 😅 Some questions. Why only two AP servos? Also why did you go with Garmin for the GPS, doesn’t Dynon make one?
Looked like a kid in a candy store unpacking all the goodies. You should have put a Christmas tree in the background and equipped your guest with a red hat and 12 tiny raindeer.
Correct-Dynon only makes a 2-place intercom. I have owned two 4-place airplanes and never once had anyone in the back seat. So in my SD, I will not be installing a jump seat. I will install the seat belt attachments of course incase I ever want to add a seat, but mine will be all storage for lots of camping gear. If I ever install a seat and someone is back there, they will just have to talk really loud! LOL
This is fantastic. I have been working with Dynon recently to spec my super duty. Would you mind sharing your product list? I like the setup you are working towards. Thanks!
I no longer have my list, but go to their Configurator page and go down the list and check off the items you want. When I come down to all the required cables, it might be worth a call to Dynon. You can set up an appointment time to call and you and a specialist can build your panel in real time over the phone.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast thank you. As it turns out I’m working with the same Dynon representative and he knows exactly how to get me to that setup. Thanks Mark!
Hi Mark. Would be interested to know your thoughts about the 7" Dynon Screen vs the 10". Roger confirmed the factory Cruzer is 10". I know its more money. I guess I am interested in your thoughts regarding ease of reading the 7 inch. Any other thoughts on this? Your Super Duty is going to be a first rate aircraft! Thank you
My Cruzer has the 10" and my SD will have the two 7". Bigger is always better, right ? LOL, but since I'm using the smaller STOL panel in the SD, I just can't fit what I need if I go with the 10" screen. The 7" will still be plenty large enough to read, however what I plan on doing is for take off and landing when I need the airspeed, I'll make the entire left EFIS display the flight instruments, and the right EFIS will have the map and engine guages. SO even though the 7" is smaller than the 10", the screen won't be split like it is in the 10" so I think the info will actually be larger on the 7" since I can use the entire screen.
Mark, I have a couple of questions: Any concerns about flying IFR with single radio? Why install the D10? (If you are thinking about backup AHRS due to a total failure of all electrical and backup batteries for both EFIS then you might want to consider a UAvionics AV-20 or 30 they are much less expensive, are lighter and less space on the panel)
Why would I be concerned? Does the airplane not fly if the radio goes out? LOL. There's procedures for lost comm. How realistic is it for a modern radio to just "go out"? Sure it could happen, but extremely unlikely. FYI, I also have a transceiver I carry in the "cargo box" in the plane. I could always use that for a backup. I fly IFR with only one engine. That could go out too. Installing the D-10 is 10% triple redundancy, and 90% cool factor.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast regarding the D 10. Not sure if you flown with one, I have and after using an HDX screen it’s really primitive. I was thinking the AV 20 or 30 as their technology is leaps and bounds past the D10 at a fraction of the cost and weight.
I don't know what it all weighs, but the EFIS screen itself is much lighter than the standard 6 pack of instruments. Probably both EFIS screens together weigh less than the 6 pack. All the other stuff is fairly light weight and doesn't add any extra weigh over any other aircraft avionics. You still need a radio, a transponder, a GPS, engine instruments, etc... My point is that all of this together is probably lighter weight that say a Cherokee 180's panel equipped with the old 6 pack instruments, radios, engine gauges, etc...
A good way to estimate the weight of the electronics is to add the weights from the shipping manifest, give the packaging a swift kick to deduct it's weight, and guestimate the assorted nuts, bolts, and pieces of flesh that you will later add during the construction process.
Very interested in your servo installation. The Cruzer Quick-Build fuselage reportedly now shares the same control setup with the SD, will have to verify when mine arrives. People are needing to get creative with the pitch servo mounting, but I haven't seen "The Best Way" yet. Can't wait to see how you tackle it. BTW, you can get that System Architecture image as a nice desktop mat directly from Dynon.
Nice setup! Do you have a rough estimate of the additional costs if you had gone all Garmin? Thanks. I’m looking seriously at a Super Duty and equipping it for IFR. I want dual ADHRS/screens so I can teach my daughter/get her more experience. She’s thinking about a career as a pilot. I hope to go cross country a lot with her. Were those WiFi or Bluetooth adapters? Any other limitations with Dynon concerning Garmin Pilot, ForeFlight, Sirius XM, xfering flight plan from phone to airplane? Thanks.
I don't know the cost of a Garmin set up because I never even considered going with Garmin. The parts you are referring to are WiFi adapters. With my Cruzer, I can build a flight plan on my iPad using Foreflight, and then send the whole flight plan to the Dynon HDX through WiFi.
Dynon does not make a certified GPS. I have nothing bad to say about Garmin-I just meant that it's not as easy to call Garmin and ask a question as it is with Dynon.
I’m surprised you have to call Dynon to find out what cables you need. Dynon is missing a trick by not coding their website so it automatically adds the cables you need based on the equipment you choose. In fact the entire avionics industry needs to move toward more plug and play IMHO.
Yes there is an ADS-B module. Your GNX question is something you'd have to ask Dynon. I'm guessing the GPS part of it would since it's probably the same as the 175, but I suppose the radio part would be separate. That's a question for the folks at Dynon.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast the GNX375 has ads-b in/out transponder, there is no radio. If you already have ADS-B in/out I can understand why you went with the GPS175.
@@rvingjetpilot5302 Ah ok! I thought the 375 was the one that also has a comm radio. But yes the reason I went with the 175 is because the only thing I needed it for was the GPS. All other functions are included in the Dynon equipment.
There are so many boxes and wires. You still didn't answer the question of why you would ever need the 3rd smaller screen as a 3rd back up.... Is it simply just because you'd like a 3rd ahars incase 2 fail?
I don't really find any reason why I need to justify installing a third screen? Maybe I just think it's cool? I say it's 10% triple redundancy and 90% cool factor!
@@KitplaneEnthusiast the cool factor sure is flowing. You're gonna have more screens in that thing than a sports bar. You're not gonna be able to keep the ladies away! :P
@@KitplaneEnthusiast That's excellent reasoning IMHO. Somewhere on TH-cam I saw a build that had an LED light bar mounted in the belly that could shine down to illuminate a potential landing spot on a fly-by, or pivot forward to landing lights. Cool factor.
Being an electronics developer, let me comment on the enclosures: no wonder some are all the same. They are expensive to develop, so any reuse will save Dynon $$$. At least for everything hidden behind the panel, it will not make any difference to the customer anyway.
Not impressed by Dynon. I have a extreme phobia of over paying for electronics LOL. The only reason I'm building a kit plane is because these planes are over priced. Why pay $10,000+ when you can pay $7,200 for a FlightView EFIS Core Hardware Kit, 2 ipad pro 12.9" and a BendixKing xCruze 110 Autopilot? Bigger screens and the same functions as those Dynons. OR drop down to 2- 10.2" ipads for a system total of $5,900 !!!!
Not a fan of iPad for primary display. They overheat too easily, screen isn't bright enough, and at some point they will die (and/or they may stop being produced).
Very nice electronics for the new build. Thanks for showing us "Christmas morning" on your bench. Have fun with the panel and may it go well for you.
I am also building a super duty. Horizontal stabilizer, elevator and rudder complete. Just starting the fuselage. Your content is an inspiration! Thank you so much for sharing your opinions, skills, and knowledge!!
I recently installed the knob panel and love that I don’t need to use the EFIS to change those three settings. I most like the ease of using the push button Baro and heading to set the bugs. Pushing Baro either sets the altimeter to GPS altitude when on the ground or to the closest airport that is broadcasting the ATIS...
No "BRYAN's" were harmed in making this video." I HOPE NOT! :-) Great video Mark!
Nor were they paid. #slavelabor
Can't wait to follow your install for all of that equipment.
It is going to be fun I'm sure, as it's literally 'plug in and play' for the most part, meaning lot's of play time
:-)
Dynon is a local to me company, and I have been associated with the owners for many years. Great folks and a great company.
Agree-always friendly and helpful!
Loving these videos. Currently working on my private pilot license and long term goal is to build my own plane.
Very nice Mark!!! Can’t wait to see everything installed and running.
Mark -- Hint if this is your first dual screen --- get a short length of Cat 5 cable with RJ45 connectors. Use that to connect the two screens together --- they will sync both screens so that when doing things like Nav updates, you only have to plug the flash drive into one of the HDXs and they will sync together automatically. [[Dynon didn't send that cable with my dual screens, but they told me to do that --- works GREAT]]
Thanks for the tip. I did talk to Dynon about that and I believe they sent me the cable so that updating one will automatically update both. I have 6,943 Dynon cables here now so I'm not sure if I have that cable yet or not LOL!
Wow that's allot of money. Impressive panel. I'm building mine too, but using more affordable system and getting approach fast stack to make easy on me. I'm not an electric engineer and all those cables are intimidating. I can't wait to see how it turns out. You are right about Garmin I just got my 175 and they forgot to pack the antenna..
I like Dynon, but believe it or not, Garmin is pretty good about answering questions, too.
Good choice Mark! I almost have the exact same setup in my S-19. Only difference is I have just one ADAHRS, Garmin SL-30 nav/com (nice to still have VOR and ILS capability) and a Garmin 496 which I would LOVE to swap out for the GPS 175. I even have the same servos (good choice on the SV42- the SV32s aren't very strong. I still see occasional Roll slip even with the SV42).
There's a special place in hell for whoever invented packing peanuts.
LOL!
We used to fill friends cars with packing peanuts as a practical joke. Months later, peanuts still coming out of crevices. Not so funny after all.☹️
I was debating Dynon vs Garmin for my RV-8, but the other day in my friends certified light sport with a Dynon Skyview, less than 200 hours since new, I experienced a locked up screen in flight!
Good info, love the Avengers style ending
Nice video Mark!
I dig it bud! Gonna be a sweet setup!
Very nice Mark⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🤠
Most people don't like to talk about the cost. I'm building an RV14A same IFR panel as yours only Garmin at $34,000 and change. I would like to know what the Dynon cost. Nice touch at the end. LoL
Another reason to go with Dynon! Go use their System Configurator and you can load it up with autopilot and servos and dual screens and still be under 20k!
As you were unpacking the big box, you should have been playing Christmas music!
I know! It was like Christmas here today!
Well that is some panel set up, I think it must weigh about half the MTOW of my aircraft.
I would scrap the D10A... you have dual screens already and it just isn’t bright enough. Plus you’ll be resetting the pressure settings every time because it doesn’t sync with anything else.
Great Video! I think you may have convinced me to go Dynon! Is the panel in the cruzer 7in or 10?
My Cruzer panel has one 10" screen. My SD panel will have the two 7" screens.
I just purchased an unfinished 750 Cruzer. It is coming with dual Dynon screens. Not sure if the seller was going for IFR or not. At this point I think I want to make it IFR. What are you going to connect to the Arinc 429? Thanks
What are the reasons to prefer a Garmin GPS?
At this time Dynon does not make an IFR approved GPS.
Why did you go with a Garmin IFR platform instead of Avidyne? And, as always, it's GREAT to see Brian (Glassairguy) in the vid's!
I'm familiar with the Garmin 175 (my buddy installed it in his Mooney) and I know that it interfaces with the Dynon.
I’ll be super interested in your GPS175 hookup. I have the HDX in my Skylane, and I love it, but I want IFR also and I’ve heard they work great together but hookup is interesting...
At this point I do not know exactly how they are wired together. I believe they connect through the ARINC 429.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast yeah, that’s what I’ve been reading, too. I totally agree with what you said about the Dynon customer service, so hopefully them being helpful will really shine in this case ;)
I’m doing a marathon catching up on six months worth of videos 😅
Some questions. Why only two AP servos? Also why did you go with Garmin for the GPS, doesn’t Dynon make one?
Servos are only needed for roll and pitch. Dynon does not make an IFR certified GPS.
Looked like a kid in a candy store unpacking all the goodies. You should have put a Christmas tree in the background and equipped your guest with a red hat and 12 tiny raindeer.
The best part of building a plane is opening up all the goodies!!
It's like Christmas morning! One question. How are you planning to provide intercom to the 3rd seat? I thought that intercom was just for a 2-seater.
Correct-Dynon only makes a 2-place intercom. I have owned two 4-place airplanes and never once had anyone in the back seat. So in my SD, I will not be installing a jump seat. I will install the seat belt attachments of course incase I ever want to add a seat, but mine will be all storage for lots of camping gear. If I ever install a seat and someone is back there, they will just have to talk really loud! LOL
This is fantastic. I have been working with Dynon recently to spec my super duty. Would you mind sharing your product list? I like the setup you are working towards. Thanks!
I no longer have my list, but go to their Configurator page and go down the list and check off the items you want. When I come down to all the required cables, it might be worth a call to Dynon. You can set up an appointment time to call and you and a specialist can build your panel in real time over the phone.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast thank you. As it turns out I’m working with the same Dynon representative and he knows exactly how to get me to that setup. Thanks Mark!
Hi Mark. Would be interested to know your thoughts about the 7" Dynon Screen vs the 10". Roger confirmed the factory Cruzer is 10". I know its more money. I guess I am interested in your thoughts regarding ease of reading the 7 inch. Any other thoughts on this? Your Super Duty is going to be a first rate aircraft! Thank you
My Cruzer has the 10" and my SD will have the two 7". Bigger is always better, right ? LOL, but since I'm using the smaller STOL panel in the SD, I just can't fit what I need if I go with the 10" screen. The 7" will still be plenty large enough to read, however what I plan on doing is for take off and landing when I need the airspeed, I'll make the entire left EFIS display the flight instruments, and the right EFIS will have the map and engine guages. SO even though the 7" is smaller than the 10", the screen won't be split like it is in the 10" so I think the info will actually be larger on the 7" since I can use the entire screen.
Mark, I have a couple of questions: Any concerns about flying IFR with single radio? Why install the D10? (If you are thinking about backup AHRS due to a total failure of all electrical and backup batteries for both EFIS then you might want to consider a UAvionics AV-20 or 30 they are much less expensive, are lighter and less space on the panel)
Why would I be concerned? Does the airplane not fly if the radio goes out? LOL. There's procedures for lost comm. How realistic is it for a modern radio to just "go out"? Sure it could happen, but extremely unlikely. FYI, I also have a transceiver I carry in the "cargo box" in the plane. I could always use that for a backup. I fly IFR with only one engine. That could go out too. Installing the D-10 is 10% triple redundancy, and 90% cool factor.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast thanks. I agree with you, but many instrument pilots always want the redundancy. Just curious what you thought.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast regarding the D 10. Not sure if you flown with one, I have and after using an HDX screen it’s really primitive. I was thinking the AV 20 or 30 as their technology is leaps and bounds past the D10 at a fraction of the cost and weight.
Cool system. What does it weigh? Just curious how much weight these big avionics packages add.
I don't know what it all weighs, but the EFIS screen itself is much lighter than the standard 6 pack of instruments. Probably both EFIS screens together weigh less than the 6 pack. All the other stuff is fairly light weight and doesn't add any extra weigh over any other aircraft avionics. You still need a radio, a transponder, a GPS, engine instruments, etc... My point is that all of this together is probably lighter weight that say a Cherokee 180's panel equipped with the old 6 pack instruments, radios, engine gauges, etc...
@@KitplaneEnthusiast It is for sure lighter than the old six pack and a vacuum pump. It will be an awesome package for your mission.
A good way to estimate the weight of the electronics is to add the weights from the shipping manifest, give the packaging a swift kick to deduct it's weight, and guestimate the assorted nuts, bolts, and pieces of flesh that you will later add during the construction process.
Very interested in your servo installation. The Cruzer Quick-Build fuselage reportedly now shares the same control setup with the SD, will have to verify when mine arrives. People are needing to get creative with the pitch servo mounting, but I haven't seen "The Best Way" yet. Can't wait to see how you tackle it.
BTW, you can get that System Architecture image as a nice desktop mat directly from Dynon.
My neighbor Len is a master at engineering stuff! I'm sure we can both come up with something safe and secure for mounting the servos!
Can't wait to see your video on the subject. ;)
Nice setup! Do you have a rough estimate of the additional costs if you had gone all Garmin? Thanks.
I’m looking seriously at a Super Duty and equipping it for IFR. I want dual ADHRS/screens so I can teach my daughter/get her more experience. She’s thinking about a career as a pilot. I hope to go cross country a lot with her.
Were those WiFi or Bluetooth adapters?
Any other limitations with Dynon concerning Garmin Pilot, ForeFlight, Sirius XM, xfering flight plan from phone to airplane?
Thanks.
I don't know the cost of a Garmin set up because I never even considered going with Garmin. The parts you are referring to are WiFi adapters. With my Cruzer, I can build a flight plan on my iPad using Foreflight, and then send the whole flight plan to the Dynon HDX through WiFi.
Garmin and Dynon are similarly priced.
After what you said earlier about Garmin why have you gone for the Garmin GPS rather than the Dynon?
Dynon does not make a certified GPS. I have nothing bad to say about Garmin-I just meant that it's not as easy to call Garmin and ask a question as it is with Dynon.
I’m surprised you have to call Dynon to find out what cables you need. Dynon is missing a trick by not coding their website so it automatically adds the cables you need based on the equipment you choose. In fact the entire avionics industry needs to move toward more plug and play IMHO.
Do you have a scale srawing in DXF format for this buld that you can share please?
Sorry I do not.
Does your transponder have ADS-B? is the GNX375 compatible with the Dynon EFIS?
Yes there is an ADS-B module. Your GNX question is something you'd have to ask Dynon. I'm guessing the GPS part of it would since it's probably the same as the 175, but I suppose the radio part would be separate. That's a question for the folks at Dynon.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast the GNX375 has ads-b in/out transponder, there is no radio. If you already have ADS-B in/out I can understand why you went with the GPS175.
@@rvingjetpilot5302 Ah ok! I thought the 375 was the one that also has a comm radio. But yes the reason I went with the 175 is because the only thing I needed it for was the GPS. All other functions are included in the Dynon equipment.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast The GTN650/750xi have the NAV/Com radio. But you need a separate ADS-B transponder with them.
There are so many boxes and wires. You still didn't answer the question of why you would ever need the 3rd smaller screen as a 3rd back up.... Is it simply just because you'd like a 3rd ahars incase 2 fail?
I don't really find any reason why I need to justify installing a third screen? Maybe I just think it's cool? I say it's 10% triple redundancy and 90% cool factor!
@@KitplaneEnthusiast the cool factor sure is flowing. You're gonna have more screens in that thing than a sports bar. You're not gonna be able to keep the ladies away! :P
@@carlylea Well in that case, I just ordered 14 more screens!!!
@@KitplaneEnthusiast That's excellent reasoning IMHO. Somewhere on TH-cam I saw a build that had an LED light bar mounted in the belly that could shine down to illuminate a potential landing spot on a fly-by, or pivot forward to landing lights. Cool factor.
Being an electronics developer, let me comment on the enclosures: no wonder some are all the same. They are expensive to develop, so any reuse will save Dynon $$$. At least for everything hidden behind the panel, it will not make any difference to the customer anyway.
Yep I agree. Makes perfect sense!
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Not impressed by Dynon. I have a extreme phobia of over paying for electronics LOL. The only reason I'm building a kit plane is because these planes are over priced. Why pay $10,000+ when you can pay $7,200 for a FlightView EFIS Core Hardware Kit, 2 ipad pro 12.9" and a BendixKing xCruze 110 Autopilot? Bigger screens and the same functions as those Dynons. OR drop down to 2- 10.2" ipads for a system total of $5,900 !!!!
I guess I just don't remember where in the video I said you HAVE to buy a Dynon. There’s many choices out there and yes some are cheaper than others.
Hopefully Flightview stays in business for you.
Not a fan of iPad for primary display. They overheat too easily, screen isn't bright enough, and at some point they will die (and/or they may stop being produced).