If the point of having the backup display (the approx. 5 inch display with the attitude indicator printed on it) is for an emergency backup in case the larger ones fail, then I would want it positioned more/closer in front of me. If you find yourself in some sort of electrical out, night/IMC stressful situation (electrical fire\smoke in the cockpit), trying to fly off an ADI that is not somewhat in front of your face can be challenging. Turning your head to see it can contribute to spatial disorientation. You could put some of that stuff like radios and circuit breaker on a center stack that is below the instrument panel. Love the channel!
Dynon also has CAD models for download in two formats, IGS and DXF. They also have a PDF file showing dimensions. Now for a CAD model of the Zenith dash panel.
CAD would def be more accurate. I have no idea how to use CAD and I'm more 'old school' when it comes to doing things. I like doing things by hand instead of machines, and using paper photos of the instruments makes it easier to see exactly how it will look on the panel. No way is better than the other-this is just how I do it.
Hey Mark!! This is one of the really fun phases... great idea for trying different layouts. Plenty of time to move things around and come up with new ideas. I personally like the back up positioned between the two PFDs. I'm kinda anal when it comes to things being symmetrical! I also am looking forward to seeing the servo installation. Watched a video where the builder used drawer slides for access to the back of the panel vs a hinge on a Rans. Was really slick but also somewhat overly complicated , I think that everyone is trying to figure out another way to skin that cat! Thanks again for taking the time to film and edit your build for our benefit! Blue Skies brotherman!
I want to put a Dynon Skyview HDX panel in Cessna 182. I am just waiting for the STC to be approved. Covid held it up. I am going all the way with radios and engine monitors all integrated. Looks great. Nice panel layout. Maybe I see you at one of the fly ins in the area.
You convinced me! Ordered my kit last week. I'm just south of you in Dundee, so I hope to see you at a local airport someday. I'm building the Cruiser, and your paint scheme is the best I've seen. So I don't know, but there may be two Blue Angel Cruiser's flying around in a couple years.
I was joking about copying your scheme, but I am using your "paint" idea to come up with the proper look, although I'm years away from paint. Having said that, yours is the coolest I've seen so far.
Mark, speaking from experience with my CruZer panel that hinges at the bottom. You have to take into account the depth of certain instruments mounted in the "panel". I have an ECM from Design Concepts that is about 8 inches deep at the top center of my panel and it inhibits lowering the panel due to it's depth. I believe the Garmin GPS is as deep or deeper than that.
Yes I have already thought about that with the Garmin on the top. if I remember it is about 5" deep. I will see if the panel can fold without the back of the Garmin hitting the glare shield. If not, then I'll make where the 175 mounts solid and not part of the folding panel.
@@scottmiller4711 With the big EFIS units, it is pretty easy to access behind the panel if one of them is pulled out. I plan to connectorize mine so they are fairly easy to pull out and I think that will work better than trying to hinge the panel.
I have a d10a. The older version of the small screen. Mine has a large stick out in the rear of the panel. Not sure if the new ones are the same. But if I mounted mine that close to the edge I don’t think the panel would hinge down without getting caught on the upper lip of the panel as it folds down.
Maybe a quick remark, you have your Dynon screen cluster off-centers. That means the center console will not line up with the center of your screens and autopilot controls. Which means that your intercom will either line up with the autopilot controls, but be off-center in the center console, or it will be centered in the console, but not line up with the autopilot controls. I'd give it a bit more thought.
As Joe would say, "Come on, man!" You can't think that the 5 minutes I spent putting paper to the panel is my absolute final design and it's an "all go"! I already have revisions. In fact, check out my MeWe page for updated photos! mewe.com/i/markpensenstadler
Great ideas here. Do you ever try using a start-up, take-off, landing and/or engine shutdown checklist to lay out your instruments/switches for an easy, repeatable flow pattern?
I organize switches in a logical way. For example, the first light I turn on is the beacon, so it is the first switch. The second light to turn on is the nav lights, so that switch is next. Then I have the recog lights and strobe light switches next since those are turned on next. So everything in the panel is organized in a way that makes it easy to use.
Hey Mark, as I was watching this I was actually questioning why you are going with the two larger screens and then the smaller back up screen. I'm not a dynon expert (or any glass expert by any means), but is it something to do with the fact that you can have a battery back up for the smaller screen and not the larger ones? If that's the case, why are you going with two larger screens? I'm just curious about your avionics selection, and why you're going for so much? I do not hold an instrument rating, so I'm a bit green about the subject, but I can also assume that you're probably not planning on blasting off into the complete soup with your plane, as I'm sure you get enough of that at work.
I love your videos even though I am building a Highlander. You really do a great job showing and explaining. Where did you get the plastic push in grommets I have seen you use? I would like to use that type in my firewall. Thanks, Steve
Mark- I have noticed that most builders go with just one Nav/Com radio. I am so accustomed to two. Do you feel that one and then maybe a hand held as backup is sufficient?
I thought about installing two radios, but there were a few reasons I didn't. First, I already installed just the one comm antenna. Secondly, I didn't have room in the panel for two radios, and finally, I'm not sure if two can be installed as far as switching between the two. For example, how do you choose which radio to transmit on? Maybe Dynon has a solution for that, but I didn't pursue it because of the first two reasons.
How much room do you have in the center console? Can you mount the small LCD at the top of the console and put the intercom under it? Stuff that you don't need in your primary vision can go lower as you set and forget
@@KitplaneEnthusiast lol, didn't know you were there. It just seemed to be logical for the highest priority to be the highest visibility, and the lowest lower on the panel.
I found a PDF file with about 12 different dash layouts and I converted that to Autocad DXF format and tried scaling it up based on their Skyview cutout dimensions. But somethings not right, not enough room for two Skyview screens and all the other equipment you're showing.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast Thanks I just figured that out, boy do I feel dumb.. Can you tell me the overall width and height of your panel so I can compare it to my drawing.
I love the ideas you’re doing. I just put a whole Dynon setup in my Cessna 182 (EMS and everything minus the autopilot because it’s not STC’d yet). I used SolidWorks to design the panel because a) the Student edition is free if you’re an EAA member and b) Dynon gives the 3D files out for free, so you can get exact measurements to cut (as well as make sure the mounts fit ok in the back). I did have a question, though. Is your throttle going to be mounted on the portion that folds down? I would think that’d be difficult considering the way throttles are usually mounted, but I’d imagine you have a solution there. Thanks for the great video!
John, I don't think I've ever made a video where I uploaded it, watched it, and then didn't say to myself, "Dang it, I forgot to mention this...and that...and this..." LOL. My panel will be in three sections. So the very left corner where the throttle is will not fold down for the exact reason you state-it can't fold with the throttle mounted there. Also, on the very right hand side where the D-10 is mounted that won't fold either. That will be solid because of things like the push/pull knobs for the cabin heat. Once I get my actual instruments from Dynon and Garmin, I'll be making many more videos featuring the panel and will discuss all of this. Thanks for watching!!
@@KitplaneEnthusiast ahh alright, makes total sense. I was thinking about that’s as an unsolicited suggestion anyway ;) Seriously great job, and I do love the Dynon Skyview system. And it’s definitely worth a hefty chunk of my plane (and I haven’t even put the GPS175 in yet), but I have no regrets!
Nice video, I’m in the process of also planning my super duty panel. I know you said before which panel you had but I can’t remember. Did you go with the stock panel or the Cruzer panel? Thanks! Looking forward to your autopilot servo setup, it is a mystery to me how to incorporate that into the plane.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast I have a hard time believing in the end your VFR time in this plane will be less than say 95% but hey it is your plane, I am just a dude with an opinion...:-)
@@walterrawdanik8077 HA! I'll go one better and say that I'll bet VFR time won't be less than 99%! The only reason I'm making this airplane IFR is because I want to fly it out West a few times a year and do some back country flying. I figure that's about a 2-3 day trip with the cruising speed of the Super Duty. I don't want to get stuck in the middle of the U.S. somewhere because of a layer of clouds. So making it IFR, I will be able to punch through the clouds and even do an LPV approach if needed!
@@drylakesranch9880 Than you for your brilliant and informative insight - undoubtedly it will be of help to some people who may somehow confuse the fact that this is his channel, his plane and his money.
Yep...one of my favorite videos..I like a fully loaded panel i think..
If the point of having the backup display (the approx. 5 inch display with the attitude indicator printed on it) is for an emergency backup in case the larger ones fail, then I would want it positioned more/closer in front of me. If you find yourself in some sort of electrical out, night/IMC stressful situation (electrical fire\smoke in the cockpit), trying to fly off an ADI that is not somewhat in front of your face can be challenging. Turning your head to see it can contribute to spatial disorientation. You could put some of that stuff like radios and circuit breaker on a center stack that is below the instrument panel.
Love the channel!
You're right. It is fun to try difference ideas for your panel layout. It will be very interesting to see what the final layout looks like.
I did the same thing to plan the layout with my GRT system
Dynon also has CAD models for download in two formats, IGS and DXF. They also have a PDF file showing dimensions. Now for a CAD model of the Zenith dash panel.
CAD would def be more accurate. I have no idea how to use CAD and I'm more 'old school' when it comes to doing things. I like doing things by hand instead of machines, and using paper photos of the instruments makes it easier to see exactly how it will look on the panel. No way is better than the other-this is just how I do it.
Hey Mark!! This is one of the really fun phases... great idea for trying different layouts. Plenty of time to move things around and come up with new ideas. I personally like the back up positioned between the two PFDs. I'm kinda anal when it comes to things being symmetrical! I also am looking forward to seeing the servo installation. Watched a video where the builder used drawer slides for access to the back of the panel vs a hinge on a Rans. Was really slick but also somewhat overly complicated , I think that everyone is trying to figure out another way to skin that cat! Thanks again for taking the time to film and edit your build for our benefit! Blue Skies brotherman!
Dimmer pot actually works much better than the button dimmer. Concur getting the pot
I remember MS Publisher from the early 90’s. 👍🏽
That panel looks so awesome!
Mark great looking panel.👍🏻Well thought out and designed⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🤙🏻🤠
Good idea
Great video. I’m going to start planning out my panel in more detail now. Thanks
I want to put a Dynon Skyview HDX panel in Cessna 182. I am just waiting for the STC to be approved. Covid held it up. I am going all the way with radios and engine monitors all integrated. Looks great. Nice panel layout. Maybe I see you at one of the fly ins in the area.
As soon as they get their STC the price is going to skyrocket. Then they'll stop being an option to homebuilders.
That Panel Looks great where is the ejection seat button?
They are hidden so the passengers don't accidentally eject themselves!
You convinced me! Ordered my kit last week. I'm just south of you in Dundee, so I hope to see you at a local airport someday. I'm building the Cruiser, and your paint scheme is the best I've seen. So I don't know, but there may be two Blue Angel Cruiser's flying around in a couple years.
Congrats on your kit! Don't copy my scheme though-have fun dreaming and designing your own unique airplane.
I was joking about copying your scheme, but I am using your "paint" idea to come up with the proper look, although I'm years away from paint. Having said that, yours is the coolest I've seen so far.
Great video! Just had to share on our website.
Glad you like it! Thanks for sharing. There will be many more videos coming on designing and building the panel.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast Great! I'm sure our RV Builders will love it!
Mark, speaking from experience with my CruZer panel that hinges at the bottom. You have to take into account the depth of certain instruments mounted in the "panel". I have an ECM from Design Concepts that is about 8 inches deep at the top center of my panel and it inhibits lowering the panel due to it's depth. I believe the Garmin GPS is as deep or deeper than that.
Yes I have already thought about that with the Garmin on the top. if I remember it is about 5" deep. I will see if the panel can fold without the back of the Garmin hitting the glare shield. If not, then I'll make where the 175 mounts solid and not part of the folding panel.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast Remember the wires are part of the depth as well. I wish I would have made removable sections rather than the hinge...
@@scottmiller4711 With the big EFIS units, it is pretty easy to access behind the panel if one of them is pulled out. I plan to connectorize mine so they are fairly easy to pull out and I think that will work better than trying to hinge the panel.
I have a d10a. The older version of the small screen. Mine has a large stick out in the rear of the panel. Not sure if the new ones are the same. But if I mounted mine that close to the edge I don’t think the panel would hinge down without getting caught on the upper lip of the panel as it folds down.
I think the d10 should be dispensed, in place 3 analogic instruments like speedometer, climb and altimeter.
Maybe a quick remark, you have your Dynon screen cluster off-centers. That means the center console will not line up with the center of your screens and autopilot controls. Which means that your intercom will either line up with the autopilot controls, but be off-center in the center console, or it will be centered in the console, but not line up with the autopilot controls. I'd give it a bit more thought.
As Joe would say, "Come on, man!" You can't think that the 5 minutes I spent putting paper to the panel is my absolute final design and it's an "all go"! I already have revisions. In fact, check out my MeWe page for updated photos! mewe.com/i/markpensenstadler
Great ideas here. Do you ever try using a start-up, take-off, landing and/or engine shutdown checklist to lay out your instruments/switches for an easy, repeatable flow pattern?
I organize switches in a logical way. For example, the first light I turn on is the beacon, so it is the first switch. The second light to turn on is the nav lights, so that switch is next. Then I have the recog lights and strobe light switches next since those are turned on next. So everything in the panel is organized in a way that makes it easy to use.
Place intercom in rear bulkhead (top portion).
I wouldn't be able to reach it there!
@@KitplaneEnthusiast ok. Beauty of being a builder. Do ad yoy wish lol
Hey Mark, as I was watching this I was actually questioning why you are going with the two larger screens and then the smaller back up screen. I'm not a dynon expert (or any glass expert by any means), but is it something to do with the fact that you can have a battery back up for the smaller screen and not the larger ones? If that's the case, why are you going with two larger screens? I'm just curious about your avionics selection, and why you're going for so much? I do not hold an instrument rating, so I'm a bit green about the subject, but I can also assume that you're probably not planning on blasting off into the complete soup with your plane, as I'm sure you get enough of that at work.
I will answer your questions in full on a future video on my panel.
I love your videos even though I am building a Highlander. You really do a great job showing and explaining. Where did you get the plastic push in grommets I have seen you use? I would like to use that type in my firewall. Thanks, Steve
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Mark- I have noticed that most builders go with just one Nav/Com radio. I am so accustomed to two. Do you feel that one and then maybe a hand held as backup is sufficient?
I thought about installing two radios, but there were a few reasons I didn't. First, I already installed just the one comm antenna. Secondly, I didn't have room in the panel for two radios, and finally, I'm not sure if two can be installed as far as switching between the two. For example, how do you choose which radio to transmit on? Maybe Dynon has a solution for that, but I didn't pursue it because of the first two reasons.
How much room do you have in the center console? Can you mount the small LCD at the top of the console and put the intercom under it?
Stuff that you don't need in your primary vision can go lower as you set and forget
You already peeked at my MeWe page didn’t you??
@@KitplaneEnthusiast lol, didn't know you were there. It just seemed to be logical for the highest priority to be the highest visibility, and the lowest lower on the panel.
I found a PDF file with about 12 different dash layouts and I converted that to Autocad DXF format and tried scaling it up based on their Skyview cutout dimensions. But somethings not right, not enough room for two Skyview screens and all the other equipment you're showing.
You might have the file for the 10" Dynon screens. Dynon makes the HDX in a 10" version and a 7" version. I'm using two 7" HDX's.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast Thanks I just figured that out, boy do I feel dumb.. Can you tell me the overall width and height of your panel so I can compare it to my drawing.
I love the ideas you’re doing. I just put a whole Dynon setup in my Cessna 182 (EMS and everything minus the autopilot because it’s not STC’d yet). I used SolidWorks to design the panel because a) the Student edition is free if you’re an EAA member and b) Dynon gives the 3D files out for free, so you can get exact measurements to cut (as well as make sure the mounts fit ok in the back). I did have a question, though. Is your throttle going to be mounted on the portion that folds down? I would think that’d be difficult considering the way throttles are usually mounted, but I’d imagine you have a solution there. Thanks for the great video!
John, I don't think I've ever made a video where I uploaded it, watched it, and then didn't say to myself, "Dang it, I forgot to mention this...and that...and this..." LOL. My panel will be in three sections. So the very left corner where the throttle is will not fold down for the exact reason you state-it can't fold with the throttle mounted there. Also, on the very right hand side where the D-10 is mounted that won't fold either. That will be solid because of things like the push/pull knobs for the cabin heat. Once I get my actual instruments from Dynon and Garmin, I'll be making many more videos featuring the panel and will discuss all of this. Thanks for watching!!
@@KitplaneEnthusiast ahh alright, makes total sense. I was thinking about that’s as an unsolicited suggestion anyway ;) Seriously great job, and I do love the Dynon Skyview system. And it’s definitely worth a hefty chunk of my plane (and I haven’t even put the GPS175 in yet), but I have no regrets!
Nice video, I’m in the process of also planning my super duty panel. I know you said before which panel you had but I can’t remember. Did you go with the stock panel or the Cruzer panel? Thanks! Looking forward to your autopilot servo setup, it is a mystery to me how to incorporate that into the plane.
I'm going with the STOL panel in the SD for the added visibility out of the corners.
@@KitplaneEnthusiast awesome, thanks. Think I’m going to try to slam a single 10” in there but I’ll be staying VFR for now.
@@DGColin That will work perfectly. That's what I have in the Cruzer and need nothing more!
Now I want a new panel and I don't even own a plane.
Not really relevant but what is the board made of that you are cutting on?
Not sure what it's made out of but they are available at Walmart and every craft store.
self healing cutting mat. available in craft stores, or model, hobby shops(if you are lucky to have one in your town!)
Your OCD should require you to set in the right seat. Symmetry. JMO DSW KJZI
JMOCD
Spending 1/3 of the total cost of the plane on a panel for a VFR plane seems a bit excessive to me personally ...
Who said this is a VFR plane?
@@KitplaneEnthusiast I have a hard time believing in the end your VFR time in this plane will be less than say 95% but hey it is your plane, I am just a dude with an opinion...:-)
@Walter Rawdanik Good thing its not your plane or your money
@@walterrawdanik8077 HA! I'll go one better and say that I'll bet VFR time won't be less than 99%! The only reason I'm making this airplane IFR is because I want to fly it out West a few times a year and do some back country flying. I figure that's about a 2-3 day trip with the cruising speed of the Super Duty. I don't want to get stuck in the middle of the U.S. somewhere because of a layer of clouds. So making it IFR, I will be able to punch through the clouds and even do an LPV approach if needed!
@@drylakesranch9880 Than you for your brilliant and informative insight - undoubtedly it will be of help to some people who may somehow confuse the fact that this is his channel, his plane and his money.