Cmon y’all this is the first TH-cam video I’ve seen in a long time that got straight to the point without an entire life story and history of the channel. Good job dude!
Even if they did answer your question it would be wrong.I have emails of them arguing with me, trying to tell me my 92 f150 has rear disk breaks. They are drums, I even sent a picture of the drums to the idiot and he said that's not a 92 f150. They are about as useful as a bag of dicks
@@demogorilla ha ha. I remember that night. I was drunk and still pissed off from the night before, when that happened. Actually I'm pretty sure my English teacher would smack me in the back of the head.
Shorties do have easier bends than cast manifolds and they alsonhave larger primaries typically than LT. for drivability shorties typically offer more benefit than LT especially in a truck where low end is more desired than top end. You will see an improvement below peak torque with shorties verses simply a higher number at peak torque with LT. it really comes down to how high your engine revs past peak torque and how often you drive past peak torque.
Completely false that shorties are better down low vs long tubes. Quality long tube headers that are appropriately sized for the engine, will outperform shorties at ALL rpm ranges.
@@nickwebb9937 to some extent. But it REALLY varies based on the engine we are talking about. Pretty much any late model v-8, comes stock with cast manifolds that are damn near shorties anyway. The GM LS based truck engines are a great example of this. Shorties will gain almost nothing, if they do actually gain anything. Longtubes can be a pretty obvious change, assuming they are appropriately sized. I personally would not go through the effort of swapping out the manifolds, unless you have one that is cracked for instance. In that case, you have to pull stuff apart anyway, no harm in replacing the cast parts with some short tubes. I have done this very thing for that reason. More recently, I put some longtubes on a Vortec Max 6.0, the difference was pretty big. The most noticeable part was actually under the curve, not at peak.
wlabishler 1 it all comes down to application. On my 86 Bronco here in California shorty’s are my best bet. I can’t stroke my motor or do much to it at all aside from heads and a mild cam (my efi is antique and I have smog to deal with). Sure they more closely resemble manifolds, especially in newer cars, but 80’s motors were literally strangled to death. Shorties will be a huge upgrade over my stock manifolds and it lets me still run my cats and everything from a stock location, and I get better torque over stock.
I put shorty headers on my 90 k1500 and did get a "seat of the pants" performance increase over the stock manifolds. It is a tow vehicle so I need the low end torque and bottom end. So for the cost of replacement I am very happy. Not to mention the installation was a breeze.
I put zoomies on my 2.3L ranger. They stick out of the fender on the passenger side and are about 20 inches long. Don't know if it did anything for power, but it sounds badass!!
I've got tuned shorties on my 2015 SS 1/LE, love the low end. I've often wondered if I should have done the long tubes - now I think I made the right move. GREAT explanation. It's still on the stock exhaust from the mid back, but I do like the sound, don't think I'll ever go full aftermarket. Chevy did start adding the X-pipe on the 2016s and newer, so I am getting ready to do that. Looking forward to the possible scavenge gains and the sound!
I’m with you man. I have shorties on a Saleen S281 and the Low end torque will glue you to your seat. I did lose on highways gains but there’s something special about hitting 70 mph in second gear in 5 seconds!
Brian Samuels long tube give low end power cause they flow better. That already gives more power and I never had to remove my starter to put headers on my 83 k5 blazer
thomas hayes did you notice more low end power with long tubes? They said that short tubes are for low end power but I want long tubes because I want more power at high rpms and I don’t want to loose low end power. :-)
You can help the shorty tubes scavenge better by putting a fueling pinch in the header tubes with in about 6 to 8 in of the cylinder head. I've seen it done with a lot of success especially on things like Harley engines.
On my Mustangs I noticed way more torque. More power at the top end from the long tube headers. I've had multiple cars with each and if I ever build another car it will definitely be long tube.
I've had a set of long tubes on my '68 C10 327 since 2006 when I had rebuilt my motor. Fortunately I had plenty of room to install them. Never had an issue overheating the starter. At the 2:20 mark I've scraped my header flanges at times, and my truck is at stock height. I'll have to replace my headers with the short tubes or a set of ram horns when I perform the 4/6 drop.
u didnt waste your money. where do you spend most of your driving rpm at?? not at the top end so u are getting what u paid for. long tubes are good if u drive your car wide open a lot, other than that u dont get the benefit of the long tube headers. just my opinion for an everyday driver shorties of mid length is the way to go
Sean Hamre thanks! Yeah I mean I never even go to the track or anything I just daily drive and occasionally I’ll race someone but it’s literally nothing above 60 mph anyway. If I do it’s just red light races from a stop
The way it was explained to me not too long ago is that before computer modeling and flow profiling this was a general rule and if one stuck to it would generally do well. But it seems that with the advancement of technology the ability to design and build better flowing headers have made short style headers less of a handicap these days so much so that unless you are running an all out dragster a short style header should be all most people can truly benefit from. Am I misinformed?
D N , shortys provide lower rpm power, long tube work better mid to high rpm. Check out Billy Nees. He runs NHRA n/sa with a grand prix with a 301 and has a few good articles on header and collector lengths.
Yea, for racing high rpm applications, I understand that, but a lot of guys put them on their street and on/off road vehicles. I am just saying for people who have vehicles that are dual purpose these days a good set of shorties should be fine right? Unless you are doing 7,000+ rpm regularly?
D N long tubes are great for MID to high rpm. Mid rpm is roughly 3000 rpm give or take high rpm is about 6-6500 rpm. Shortys are good for off idle to low rpm 1500-2000rpm. Do you spend a lot of time at at lower rpms in over drive? Or do you have a 4 speed with 4.10s and cruise at around 3000 rip'ems? Either choice is an improvemet, it all depends on your application and what you want.
Given that the shorty headers provide less pulse vacuum internally, would it be a good idea to increase the diameter of the exhaust system from 2.5 to 3.0 inches to provide better top end?
@@booniekc heres the deal if your headers run close to the starter they make self stick heat rejection mat. While your starters out install it around the starter motor. You can also get fiberglass like material made into a tube you can slip over wires that run near the headers. You can make a heat sheild out of some old coffee cans or soup cans. The thing is to look at how close stuffs going to be and fix it before you melt stuff or heat soak your starter.
I have longtube hookers headers on my 1977 torch red vette.On older cars headers are sick.I would not put them on a modern car,My car is 44 years old,I also put on a high performance exhaust manifold,and flowmaster 40 mufflers.It sound awesome.added about 22 more horsepower,but i did it for the sound,the sound rocks the house for sure.thanks russ.
So if I'm looking for more torque for a truck application (no Baja or racing, mainly for getting over stuff (overlanding)) would shorty headers meet the mark? Eventually considering force induction, but haven't crossed that road yet
Shorty header would meet your goals just fine if you're looking for improved low-end power. Adding a supercharger will dramatically increase power across the entire rpm range. It will also require improved exhaust flow, and you may want to consider using a header with larger primaries.
I would go with shorty headers both for ground clearance especially with portal axles etc and because low end power will be better for rock crawling and towing which. If you are looking for road racing performance I stead of off-road though it might be worth getting the long tubes.
If you are doing it for more power for towing/hauling, I would recommend the shorty. If you are doing it for performance, I would recommend the full length.
I have a 2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 crew cab LS v8 5.3 LM7 325 cubic inch engine and I want to get headers for it, but I don't know if I want long or shortly tube headers as well as my biggest problem is that I don't know exactly what size headers I need so I don't order the wrong size headers for them to not fit my truck.
1st Gen Tundra, no lift, mostly used for truck bed camping, and to replace factory broken manifold or short factory header? Should I go long or short? 4.7 2000 model
Have you made a video on the benefits of shorty headers vs stock manifolds? You said those perform more like stock, but are they worth buying aside from looks alone?
On modern cars not so much. Only because modern Manifolds are pretty good. On Old muscle cars it's a huge difference like 20+hp/ torque. They will look good on your car. and they do tend to increase low end torque on most cars. I think the Summit guy just wants you to spend more money. Long tubes suck for speed bumps and driveways.
He should have mentioned, the more an engine is built the more important it becomes to use high quality long tube headers, I've been building 600 horse 2nd gen LT1road racing engines, the build is not complete until a good set of long tube headers go on.
02 Silverado 1500 4wd. Dailey driver. Plan on installing a 222/224 cam, and upgrading timing chain, lifters, pushrods, rockers, springs, intake, and throttle body. Also plan on installing a cold air intake. I don't drive wide open hardly. Would shorties be better for me?
So I have a 95 Chevy 5.7 v8 tbi. I feel like shorty headers would be better for a daily driver. I don’t drive it everyday but I drive or weekly. Would it be more efficient to use shortys?
I acquired a 68 mustang with a 289 and Hedman long tube headers. The car also came with new exhaust pipes, 2 1/4 inch, an H-pipe and a couple flowmaster mufflers. The issue is the H-pipe is not even close. I suspect the exhaust, which is labeld 'classic mustang' was meant for standard exhaust manifolds. What's the recommendation on X-pipe or H-pipe or straight pipes with long tube headers like these Hedmans? I am having trouble zero'ing in on something that fits. I'd like to bolt on, of course, but I'm just looking for advice on how to proceed. Of course, the exhaust is not on the car, and as I crawled under to make things fit, it seemed more like a game of Tetris than an exhaust system meant for this car.
Trying to install an exhaust system on your back is certainly no fun. But, add in the complexity of making various parts fit and align properly while maintaining good ground clearance, can actually be worse than a challenging game of Tetris! Our advice to start would be to find a local exhaust or hot rod shop with a lift, that specializes in exhaust work and can make adjustments on the fly. Secondly, X pipes will always make more horsepower, especially on a short stroke, higher revving motor such as your 289. H pipes do help and are an upgrade over just two straight pipes but, scavenging is the key and an X pipe coupled with a good set of equal length headers is hard to beat. If money isn't an issue and there isn't a local shop in town to help, some manufacturers have complete systems with all the parts (including headers) that are designed to work together for the easiest installation by the hobbyist. Pypes would be one of those companies.
What is the difference between running long tube headers and running short tube headers with test pipes it's pretty much the same thing as long tube headers right
There is no rule to which is better. It depends on what you want to achieve. Headers can be tuned to the engine so changing primary diameters , length and merge type can affect the torque and hp significantly. There is a point where at higher Rpms a mid length header will outperform a longtube header for peak power as then velocity can remain higher with the scavenging effect instead of slowing down in their individual tubes before merging. All depends on the primary diameter, length, size and displacement and rpm of the engine .. so many variables to consider.
Wait. First you say there's no rule to which is better but then go on to say one is better than another depending on application. Therefore there is a rule to which is better. Even the video says one is better than another depending on application.
Stock replacements ? So people buy shortys thinking their getting performance Parts when their just replacing the OEM style headers? There has to be some benefit for shorties other then placement issues. are for just looks.
Derpy Derp maybe 3-5 hp but I've been researching aftermarket parts for about 4-5 years..especially since I've had a couple of mustangs (2 currently). I've talked with professionals as well as other car enthusiast. If one really wants aftermarket headers for performance, long tubes is the way to go. Depending for what vehicle, it could range from $200-1,000) and get gains (again depending what vehicle) from 15-30 HP. Shorties would open up your exhaust system...but nothing like long tubes. And if you happen to go for some...go ceramic headers because they will last you longer then ordinary chrome finish.
CRUZ_GT chrome don’t get you home. Wow that’s awesome information. I bought headmen headers for my 289 and they are awesome I can feel the difference when I hit the gas from when I had the OEM factory headers on. Huge difference. I can imagine the open ports the long tube give. I will defiantly get some
Leon Garza long tubes , you'd need to weld the Flowmaster to your midpipe (basically switch your stock muffler to that Flowmaster one) but your midpipe might be smaller due to the long tubes
Have a 67 base model Cougar with single exhaust. Don't know much about it. I dont race the the car but looking for little more power and better sound. It's a 289 4 b. What would you suggest?
I am only considering shorty headers because dorman cast iron manifolds are onlyblasting about 2 yrs and cracking. I dont want a louder exhaust. Will my exhsust be louder if I bolt these to my stock exhaust?
The A body mopars imported to my country are all RHD so to try avoiding the steering box I have long headers on the passenger side and short headers on the drivers side, will this damage my motor ? It's a stock 318La small block . ?
What size diameter of headers will be best for my application? 85 Square Body w/355 & 400TH. The motor will make approximately 385 HP. I have Vortec Heads and would like to be able to have access to change my plugs easily. Will long tubes be difficult to change the plugs?
My biggest concern is fitment on a 289 66 mustang coupe. I would go with the shortys if need be, but would prefer long tube. I have an AOD tranny in there, that creates a bit of a problem. What would you guys suggest?
Tube size will be dependent on engine size and output, along with the intended usage. Please contact one of our sales agents at 1-800-230-3030 to assist you with getting the right set.
All this is great news for older less complicated engines and car systems, but for those new cars which have fuel injection systems and have a lot of electrical systems under the hood, you need to consider what benefits you will get and what the cost of those benefits will be after changing the factory headers to 4 into 1's or Try y headers, in fact the best ones to use is based on how you drive the new car, so basically if you want more HP down low range ie: 1,500 to around the 4 K mark then use try y headers or shortys, but if your going to track days a lot or street drags, then 4 into 14 would be best, but dont forget, then most tunner places will say you need 4 into 1 headers, but what they dont tell you is they will tune your engine to the headers and thus you engine will make approx 50 HP at the rear wheels for a new Chevy SS for example, but also they dont tell you you need the rest of the system as well, meaning the CATS and CAT back system installed as well, but in reality you will get just as much HP just by a tune of the same engine, they will not tell you this because the business is about selling the headers and also they do not tell you that the headers need ceramic coating due to the extreme heat under the hood and how close your electrical system,s are to the headers especially the chevy Ss which has electrical steering system. So please make sure if your going to get Headers for your car to kook if the model comes out with factory performance headers for the same make and model of your car, like for example the holden SS o chevy SS has HSB or holden special Veichacl which then you can by the HSV headers which come out with TRY Y headers on some models and will give your just as much performance but cost you only 1/4 of the price and specially if get the same try y headers from HSV and have them ceramic coated :)
Hi Wood, we do not have the specifications for the factory exhaust manifolds but the shorty header options we offer are available in 1.625”, 1.75” and 1.875”. All of these will offer improved exhaust flow and performance over the factory exhaust manifolds. Thank you for watching!
Running a Blown and Sprayed 383. My present headers are full length with 2" primaries and a 3-1/2 collector. It's all stuffed into a Vega. With all that's said about short headers can I find a pair that will work for my application. Trying to gain ground clearance and engine bay clearance. Thanks.
Hello, I have a Chevy truck with a 350 engine and I want to put some headers on it, which one do you recommend and which brand? I have it for daily use
Hey! Great video’ i have a Gm crate engine 350. 1year old. Driven 2000 km since first startup. It has a 262 comp cam. Edelbrock eps intake #2701 and The edelbrock 500carb #1403. I am thinking about goin for The headers from Summit G9006? How much horsepower will it Get close to? You have any other suggestions AS far as increasing The overall performance?
@@GCANDY100 yea, headers are probably the best bang for bucks your going to get...I know you already know cams, heads and superchargers are a great way to increase horsepower but they can get expensive.
LS1 swap 5.3l L59, PCM flashed for LS swap into 69 camaro: problem- backfiring in exhaust tube. Yes I have longtube headers. Passenger side running 50 - 100 hotter then driverside. Any ideas?
I own a 2008 Chevy Silverado Max Vortec. It is currently tuned and has K/N cold air intake with a Magnaflow Muffler. Should i go for long tube or shorty headers? Oh also it is one of those dropped down trucks.
Looking into shortys vs current long tube Hookers for my '66 Stang. The car has the shorter 1" drop coils and the problem is the collectors scrape the wider speed bumps and they're kinda close to the fuel and brake lines. Any suggestion on brands?
A shorty header should free up some ground clearance. www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/headers/year/1966/make/ford/model/mustang/header-style/shorty?N=header-style%3Ashorty
Would it make sense to get a cam optimized for high RPM if I get a shorty header and if i got a long tube headers i would want a cam optimized for low rpm power?
Almost anything is an improvement over *most* stock manifolds, with few exceptions. Generally shorties will make gains, it depends on how poorly designed your stock exhaust manifolds are. If they're like those old, crummy log manifolds then shorties will help a lot. If your car already came with tubular exhaust manifolds that resemble shorty headers, like you see on a lot of 4 cylinders and even some performance V8's nowadays, you probably won't notice a difference. For example, for the money, I wouldn't mess with shorty headers on a newer Mustang since they come with kinda short headers already, I'd go straight to long.
Unfortunately, none of the manufacturers that we carry offer them for that vehicle. I am not sure where you will be able to find them at. You might try doing a Google search for them.
I have 57 Ranchero w/390FE. The stock header just barely clear the steering gear box. I want long tube do I have to go custom or is there a long tube that will clear my steering box
Long tubes would provide more sound, although replacing the factory exhaust/mufflers would be a better option if you are simply looking for more sound.
Hello! My name is Nicholas and I currently own a 2011 Ram 1500 Big horn. I have the hemi tick with either the lifter issue or broken exhaust bolts. I am currently looking into replacing the manifold with long tube headers. Do you have any advice as to how to prevent the bolts from breaking or any recommendations? Do you have any recommendations on any long tube headers?
*PTSD FLASHBACK* after seeing the Driver's side shorty header on the right and remembering my SBC S10 square body days with the steering shaft that had to go in between the header tubes and learning the hard way that I should have also installed solid motor mounts rather than old rubber x-member side mounts (huge pee shiver...rr...rrr...)
Im trying to get the deepest or strongest sound out of my v6 manuel camaro. And ik long tube headers help a lot. And in they help your engine a lot as well. But i just wanted to ask if its a smart choice to long tube header your daily drivin car?
I don’t usually drive to far or anything more than 50 miles a day sometimes i hardley drive it. I just wanna know if long tube headers are a smart choice for sound or if shorty headers can give me the same sound or i just want some advice before i do it. If theirs anything i should know?
Hi Francisco, You cannot get the same sound from short headers as you can with long tube. With that being said, I don’t know that there will be a lot of options for a V6 Camaro so you may limited to what is available.
The school of thought I have been told is Long Tubes for air flow. Long Tubes help your car breath and flow air through your system. The more air through, the more power you make, that is why you lose some torque on the low end, you don't get the back pressure that you get with shorties, that is why Long Tubes are boss for upper RPM range. If you are getting top end work done; Cam, super/procharger, bigger pistons, etc, then Long Tubes are the way to go. If you are planning those mods in the future, then long tubes are the way to go.
Here is a link to the headers we offer for your application: 1999 Chevy Suburban Shorty Headers. www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/headers/year/1999/make/chevrolet/model/c1500-suburban/engine-size/5-7l-350/engine-family/chevy-small-block-gen-i?N=header-style%3Ashorty&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=headers&kr=headers
Cmon y’all this is the first TH-cam video I’ve seen in a long time that got straight to the point without an entire life story and history of the channel. Good job dude!
I like how at 3:15 he says "if you have questions, ask them in the comment section below" but then not a single reply to any of the questions.
If it's about the #exhaustpipe, I might be able to help you
Even if they did answer your question it would be wrong.I have emails of them arguing with me, trying to tell me my 92 f150 has rear disk breaks. They are drums, I even sent a picture of the drums to the idiot and he said that's not a 92 f150. They are about as useful as a bag of dicks
Chris Lesemann cause they have a bunch of 20 year old guys with no common sense working with them
@@Akhazmat907 as useless as your spelling teacher. Hahaha
@@demogorilla ha ha. I remember that night. I was drunk and still pissed off from the night before, when that happened. Actually I'm pretty sure my English teacher would smack me in the back of the head.
Shorties do have easier bends than cast manifolds and they alsonhave larger primaries typically than LT. for drivability shorties typically offer more benefit than LT especially in a truck where low end is more desired than top end. You will see an improvement below peak torque with shorties verses simply a higher number at peak torque with LT. it really comes down to how high your engine revs past peak torque and how often you drive past peak torque.
Completely false that shorties are better down low vs long tubes. Quality long tube headers that are appropriately sized for the engine, will outperform shorties at ALL rpm ranges.
wlabishler 1 yea but shortys will still help in the low end
@@nickwebb9937 to some extent. But it REALLY varies based on the engine we are talking about. Pretty much any late model v-8, comes stock with cast manifolds that are damn near shorties anyway. The GM LS based truck engines are a great example of this. Shorties will gain almost nothing, if they do actually gain anything. Longtubes can be a pretty obvious change, assuming they are appropriately sized. I personally would not go through the effort of swapping out the manifolds, unless you have one that is cracked for instance. In that case, you have to pull stuff apart anyway, no harm in replacing the cast parts with some short tubes. I have done this very thing for that reason. More recently, I put some longtubes on a Vortec Max 6.0, the difference was pretty big. The most noticeable part was actually under the curve, not at peak.
wlabishler 1 yea I put shortys on my 91 c1500 it helped a bit but the manifolds on it were very restricted
wlabishler 1 it all comes down to application. On my 86 Bronco here in California shorty’s are my best bet. I can’t stroke my motor or do much to it at all aside from heads and a mild cam (my efi is antique and I have smog to deal with). Sure they more closely resemble manifolds, especially in newer cars, but 80’s motors were literally strangled to death. Shorties will be a huge upgrade over my stock manifolds and it lets me still run my cats and everything from a stock location, and I get better torque over stock.
I put shorty headers on my 90 k1500 and did get a "seat of the pants" performance increase over the stock manifolds. It is a tow vehicle so I need the low end torque and bottom end. So for the cost of replacement I am very happy. Not to mention the installation was a breeze.
I put zoomies on my 2.3L ranger. They stick out of the fender on the passenger side and are about 20 inches long. Don't know if it did anything for power, but it sounds badass!!
I've got tuned shorties on my 2015 SS 1/LE, love the low end. I've often wondered if I should have done the long tubes - now I think I made the right move. GREAT explanation. It's still on the stock exhaust from the mid back, but I do like the sound, don't think I'll ever go full aftermarket. Chevy did start adding the X-pipe on the 2016s and newer, so I am getting ready to do that. Looking forward to the possible scavenge gains and the sound!
Thank you for watching, Nick!
I’m with you man. I have shorties on a Saleen S281 and the Low end torque will glue you to your seat. I did lose on highways gains but there’s something special about hitting 70 mph in second gear in 5 seconds!
Long tube makes more power! Shorty's are good for fitment problems.
Brian Samuels long tube give low end power cause they flow better. That already gives more power and I never had to remove my starter to put headers on my 83 k5 blazer
thomas hayes did you notice more low end power with long tubes? They said that short tubes are for low end power but I want long tubes because I want more power at high rpms and I don’t want to loose low end power. :-)
So what's good for torque then in a 85 C30 with a big block? Needs to be set up for smog system btw.
@@SOU6900 just get 1-3/4" long tubes for the 454. You can get them with a 02 bung for the sensor. This is the header you want trust me.
@@jrod264winmag but she doesn't use an o2 sensor...
You can help the shorty tubes scavenge better by putting a fueling pinch in the header tubes with in about 6 to 8 in of the cylinder head. I've seen it done with a lot of success especially on things like Harley engines.
What is a fueling pinch?
On my Mustangs I noticed way more torque. More power at the top end from the long tube headers. I've had multiple cars with each and if I ever build another car it will definitely be long tube.
Even more power buy swapping in a bow tie ;)
You know your serious when you run long tube headers!!
I've had a set of long tubes on my '68 C10 327 since 2006 when I had rebuilt my motor.
Fortunately I had plenty of room to install them. Never had an issue overheating the starter. At the 2:20 mark I've scraped my header flanges at times, and my truck is at stock height. I'll have to replace my headers with the short tubes or a set of ram horns when I perform the 4/6 drop.
Thank you for watching, Robert!
Looks like I wasted money on shorty headers. Oh well. The deeper tone to my exhaust and the better response in the low end is quite nice though
Tony 3.7 I've got a 3.7 as well. Don't worry. MPT says that shorties do add airflow.
u didnt waste your money. where do you spend most of your driving rpm at?? not at the top end so u are getting what u paid for. long tubes are good if u drive your car wide open a lot, other than that u dont get the benefit of the long tube headers. just my opinion for an everyday driver shorties of mid length is the way to go
Sean Hamre thanks! Yeah I mean I never even go to the track or anything I just daily drive and occasionally I’ll race someone but it’s literally nothing above 60 mph anyway. If I do it’s just red light races from a stop
Sorry noob question but what does low end mean here is that referring to low rpm?
Santos Guerra yes low end rpm's
Vacuum scavenging.. very interesting. Thanks for the info! Will probably be a long while before I look into getting any of these.
Do you have a video about high flow catalytic convertors?
The way it was explained to me not too long ago is that before computer modeling and flow profiling this was a general rule and if one stuck to it would generally do well. But it seems that with the advancement of technology the ability to design and build better flowing headers have made short style headers less of a handicap these days so much so that unless you are running an all out dragster a short style header should be all most people can truly benefit from. Am I misinformed?
D N , shortys provide lower rpm power, long tube work better mid to high rpm.
Check out Billy Nees. He runs NHRA n/sa with a grand prix with a 301 and has a few good articles on header and collector lengths.
Yea, for racing high rpm applications, I understand that, but a lot of guys put them on their street and on/off road vehicles. I am just saying for people who have vehicles that are dual purpose these days a good set of shorties should be fine right? Unless you are doing 7,000+ rpm regularly?
D N long tubes are great for MID to high rpm. Mid rpm is roughly 3000 rpm give or take high rpm is about 6-6500 rpm. Shortys are good for off idle to low rpm 1500-2000rpm. Do you spend a lot of time at at lower rpms in over drive? Or do you have a 4 speed with 4.10s and cruise at around 3000 rip'ems? Either choice is an improvemet, it all depends on your application and what you want.
That intro, I heard that v8 sound from rev heads phone app.
SilverHoof01
I agree
Whats the point and benefits of shortys then if they are almost the same as stock... so only long tubes are making sense or what?
Given that the shorty headers provide less pulse vacuum internally, would it be a good idea to increase the diameter of the exhaust system from 2.5 to 3.0 inches to provide better top end?
I'm about to ask for shorty headers the high flow cats go with my dual set no 🐈 X pipe 2 super 10s I'm slowly working on my truck
I’ll go for shortys. My long tubes keep heating my starter. And cooking my wires
sal alvarez I just got shortys
What kind of car u got? Will it do that to my 97 camaro?
@erik torres Don't drive in the rain or in water. Problem solved.
@@kenshinhimura9387 If it's even sitting out overnight moisture will build up.
@@booniekc heres the deal if your headers run close to the starter they make self stick heat rejection mat. While your starters out install it around the starter motor. You can also get fiberglass like material made into a tube you can slip over wires that run near the headers. You can make a heat sheild out of some old coffee cans or soup cans. The thing is to look at how close stuffs going to be and fix it before you melt stuff or heat soak your starter.
I have longtube hookers headers on my 1977 torch red vette.On older cars headers are sick.I would not put them on a modern car,My car is 44 years old,I also put on a high performance exhaust manifold,and flowmaster 40 mufflers.It sound awesome.added about 22 more horsepower,but i did it for the sound,the sound rocks the house for sure.thanks russ.
Thank you for your feedback, Russell! I bet that does sound nice.
So if I'm looking for more torque for a truck application (no Baja or racing, mainly for getting over stuff (overlanding)) would shorty headers meet the mark? Eventually considering force induction, but haven't crossed that road yet
Shorty header would meet your goals just fine if you're looking for improved low-end power. Adding a supercharger will dramatically increase power across the entire rpm range. It will also require improved exhaust flow, and you may want to consider using a header with larger primaries.
Having trouble finding a good fit for headers for a 351 fe in a 1963 galaxie. Thoughts?
Velocity is key for performance in I6 engines. Which do you recommend for a Jeep 4.0 stroker for velocity?
I would go with shorty headers both for ground clearance especially with portal axles etc and because low end power will be better for rock crawling and towing which. If you are looking for road racing performance I stead of off-road though it might be worth getting the long tubes.
Shorties would do good for that. And less hassle with clearance issues
I just bought some hedman shorties for my 05 Yukon. Hopefully i will be satisfied when I install them Saturday
How did install go?
@@treenutz360 He dead. Car jack failed and it fell on him.
Bobbys Dad yup R.I.P.
For my 4.6 2v ford which one to I wanna order from your website? I'm doing a light NA build and wanna do a full dual exhaust
If you are doing it for more power for towing/hauling, I would recommend the shorty.
If you are doing it for performance, I would recommend the full length.
I have a 2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 crew cab LS v8 5.3 LM7 325 cubic inch engine and I want to get headers for it, but I don't know if I want long or shortly tube headers as well as my biggest problem is that I don't know exactly what size headers I need so I don't order the wrong size headers for them to not fit my truck.
1st Gen Tundra, no lift, mostly used for truck bed camping, and to replace factory broken manifold or short factory header? Should I go long or short? 4.7 2000 model
thanks for the videos it seems like the only downside for long tube headers is getting them to fit
No the biggest issue is with long tubes you either have to remove the cats or move them which on vehicles newer than -73 i think is illegal
Thanks for explaining it in simple english
Have you made a video on the benefits of shorty headers vs stock manifolds? You said those perform more like stock, but are they worth buying aside from looks alone?
I can only run shorty headers. Are they worth the cost over factory manifolds?
Brian Zimmer I have shortys on my 91 c1500 didn’t make any difference in power maybe 3 or 4 hp but it does have a deeper exhaust note
@@nickwebb9937 thank you......sounds like I should save my money or move to Texas lol
So as a stand alone upgrade, the shorty header won't do much over the factory exaust manifold?
I have a 2014 Camaro SS
On modern cars not so much. Only because modern Manifolds are pretty good. On Old muscle cars it's a huge difference like 20+hp/ torque.
They will look good on your car. and they do tend to increase low end torque on most cars.
I think the Summit guy just wants you to spend more money. Long tubes suck for speed bumps and driveways.
He should have mentioned, the more an engine is built the more important it becomes to use high quality long tube headers, I've been building 600 horse 2nd gen LT1road racing engines, the build is not complete until a good set of long tube headers go on.
Thanks Carl for clearing that up.
Thanks for watching, Spencer!
Exelente Video ... Me encantan estos heders , vivo en Venezuela como hago para comprar productos de Ustedes ??
02 Silverado 1500 4wd. Dailey driver. Plan on installing a 222/224 cam, and upgrading timing chain, lifters, pushrods, rockers, springs, intake, and throttle body. Also plan on installing a cold air intake. I don't drive wide open hardly. Would shorties be better for me?
Will the shorty headers still increase hp?
Chrismizar ! At the starting line yes.
Chrismizar ! Only when paired with a good hi flow cat
One hp for you
Chrismizar ! Yes but mostly on the low end side.
no true. no cat will flow better than any high flow cat.
So I have a 95 Chevy 5.7 v8 tbi. I feel like shorty headers would be better for a daily driver. I don’t drive it everyday but I drive or weekly. Would it be more efficient to use shortys?
I acquired a 68 mustang with a 289 and Hedman long tube headers. The car also came with new exhaust pipes, 2 1/4 inch, an H-pipe and a couple flowmaster mufflers. The issue is the H-pipe is not even close. I suspect the exhaust, which is labeld 'classic mustang' was meant for standard exhaust manifolds. What's the recommendation on X-pipe or H-pipe or straight pipes with long tube headers like these Hedmans? I am having trouble zero'ing in on something that fits. I'd like to bolt on, of course, but I'm just looking for advice on how to proceed. Of course, the exhaust is not on the car, and as I crawled under to make things fit, it seemed more like a game of Tetris than an exhaust system meant for this car.
Trying to install an exhaust system on your back is certainly no fun. But, add in the complexity of making various parts fit and align properly while maintaining good ground clearance, can actually be worse than a challenging game of Tetris! Our advice to start would be to find a local exhaust or hot rod shop with a lift, that specializes in exhaust work and can make adjustments on the fly. Secondly, X pipes will always make more horsepower, especially on a short stroke, higher revving motor such as your 289. H pipes do help and are an upgrade over just two straight pipes but, scavenging is the key and an X pipe coupled with a good set of equal length headers is hard to beat. If money isn't an issue and there isn't a local shop in town to help, some manufacturers have complete systems with all the parts (including headers) that are designed to work together for the easiest installation by the hobbyist. Pypes would be one of those companies.
Will long tube headers void a crate motor warranty?
What if you are planning on straight piping your exhaust. Which headers would be better?
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Long tube
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Zoomies
What is the difference between running long tube headers and running short tube headers with test pipes it's pretty much the same thing as long tube headers right
Summary. Long tubes arent always bolt on but make more mid range to high end power. Shorties are better for fitment and some low end torque
There is no rule to which is better. It depends on what you want to achieve. Headers can be tuned to the engine so changing primary diameters , length and merge type can affect the torque and hp significantly. There is a point where at higher Rpms a mid length header will outperform a longtube header for peak power as then velocity can remain higher with the scavenging effect instead of slowing down in their individual tubes before merging. All depends on the primary diameter, length, size and displacement and rpm of the engine .. so many variables to consider.
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Wait. First you say there's no rule to which is better but then go on to say one is better than another depending on application. Therefore there is a rule to which is better. Even the video says one is better than another depending on application.
You're smart.
@@SedatedByLife he's saying ones not outright better then the other. Its dependant on case. Then he kinda gave an example
I have a 1987 Chevy caprice ls with a 400 sbc would the long tube headers fit my car
Which is better for a 2015 Chevrolet Camaro zl1 long tube headers or shorty headers
If I have a carburator would I need to tune it to run long tube headers
Long tubes = More expensive but better Performance
Shorties = Lower cost but only good for appearance & stock replacement
Stock replacements ? So people buy shortys thinking their getting performance
Parts when their just replacing the OEM style headers?
There has to be some benefit for shorties other then placement issues.
are for just looks.
Derpy Derp maybe 3-5 hp but I've been researching aftermarket parts for about 4-5 years..especially since I've had a couple of mustangs (2 currently). I've talked with professionals as well as other car enthusiast. If one really wants aftermarket headers for performance, long tubes is the way to go. Depending for what vehicle, it could range from $200-1,000) and get gains (again depending what vehicle) from 15-30 HP. Shorties would open up your exhaust system...but nothing like long tubes. And if you happen to go for some...go ceramic headers because they will last you longer then ordinary chrome finish.
CRUZ_GT chrome don’t get you home.
Wow that’s awesome information. I bought headmen headers for my 289 and they are awesome I can feel the difference when I hit the gas from when I had the OEM factory headers on. Huge difference. I can imagine the open ports the long tube give. I will defiantly get some
CRUZ_GT I just got my grandpa's truck running it's a GMC 1998 Sierra 2500 350 motor what kind of headers should I get to fit the Flowmaster super 44
Leon Garza long tubes , you'd need to weld the Flowmaster to your midpipe (basically switch your stock muffler to that Flowmaster one) but your midpipe might be smaller due to the long tubes
Have a 67 base model Cougar with single exhaust. Don't know much about it. I dont race the the car but looking for little more power and better sound. It's a 289 4 b. What would you suggest?
2012 RAM 1500 express 5.7 HEMI, so which is better for low end grunt if you pulling trailers?
I have a 2015 Dodge Charger RT with Flowmaster Outlaw Catback which would be the best headers?
What other upgrades have you done
I am only considering shorty headers because dorman cast iron manifolds are onlyblasting about 2 yrs and cracking. I dont want a louder exhaust. Will my exhsust be louder if I bolt these to my stock exhaust?
Which exhaust headers would I use for 1970 ford thunderbird with big block 429 7.0?
For 1/4 mille race which header is better??
Ever find out?
I got a 18 Chevy impala and i put a 87 vortec 350 in it what kind of headers do u think i should go with i like the long tubs
The A body mopars imported to my country are all RHD so to try avoiding the steering box I have long headers on the passenger side and short headers on the drivers side, will this damage my motor ? It's a stock 318La small block . ?
What size diameter of headers will be best for my application? 85 Square Body w/355 & 400TH. The motor will make approximately 385 HP. I have Vortec Heads and would like to be able to have access to change my plugs easily. Will long tubes be difficult to change the plugs?
My biggest concern is fitment on a 289 66 mustang coupe. I would go with the shortys if need be, but would prefer long tube. I have an AOD tranny in there, that creates a bit of a problem. What would you guys suggest?
So the Shorty headers and the Stock Ones Would perform the same basically Or ? Can You tell me your Opinion O ther is not need to Do the Improvement
What is your opinion of a larger tube shorty header , say a 1-3/4" primary tube with a large 2-1/2" or larger exhaust system with an X-pipe ....
Tube size will be dependent on engine size and output, along with the intended usage. Please contact one of our sales agents at 1-800-230-3030 to assist you with getting the right set.
What is more practical for every day use? Or does it make any difference?
Hi MrGuitarguyadam, what is your year/make/model?
Summit Racing I’m not concerned about vehicle specific, I’m looking for a general answer.
What background music is that? Please, I need it on my playlist!!!
Do they make short tube headers for a 1967 Pontiac Firebird D port
All this is great news for older less complicated engines and car systems, but for those new cars which have fuel injection systems and have a lot of electrical systems under the hood, you need to consider what benefits you will get and what the cost of those benefits will be after changing the factory headers to 4 into 1's or Try y headers, in fact the best ones to use is based on how you drive the new car, so basically if you want more HP down low range ie: 1,500 to around the 4 K mark then use try y headers or shortys, but if your going to track days a lot or street drags, then 4 into 14 would be best, but dont forget, then most tunner places will say you need 4 into 1 headers, but what they dont tell you is they will tune your engine to the headers and thus you engine will make approx 50 HP at the rear wheels for a new Chevy SS for example, but also they dont tell you you need the rest of the system as well, meaning the CATS and CAT back system installed as well, but in reality you will get just as much HP just by a tune of the same engine, they will not tell you this because the business is about selling the headers and also they do not tell you that the headers need ceramic coating due to the extreme heat under the hood and how close your electrical system,s are to the headers especially the chevy Ss which has electrical steering system. So please make sure if your going to get Headers for your car to kook if the model comes out with factory performance headers for the same make and model of your car, like for example the holden SS o chevy SS has HSB or holden special Veichacl which then you can by the HSV headers which come out with TRY Y headers on some models and will give your just as much performance but cost you only 1/4 of the price and specially if get the same try y headers from HSV and have them ceramic coated :)
It's for a 6.0 2006 GMC sierra. Shorty are fine. What is the diameter OD vs. the OEM headers. Are these larger in Diameter?
Hi Wood, we do not have the specifications for the factory exhaust manifolds but the shorty header options we offer are available in 1.625”, 1.75” and 1.875”. All of these will offer improved exhaust flow and performance over the factory exhaust manifolds. Thank you for watching!
Running a Blown and Sprayed 383. My present headers are full length with 2" primaries and a 3-1/2 collector. It's all stuffed into a Vega. With all that's said about short headers can I find a pair that will work for my application. Trying to gain ground clearance and engine bay clearance. Thanks.
they make mid length header now so you can get something that still give you good mid power and ground clearance
Sounds like a sweet ride. 👍🏻
In the event my front driveshaft is a clearance issue how can I resolve that
Hello, I have a Chevy truck with a 350 engine and I want to put some headers on it, which one do you recommend and which brand? I have it for daily use
Why does it say the complete opposite on your website 🤔
Hey! Great video’ i have a Gm crate engine 350. 1year old. Driven 2000 km since first startup. It has a 262 comp cam. Edelbrock eps intake #2701 and The edelbrock 500carb #1403. I am thinking about goin for The headers from Summit G9006? How much horsepower will it Get close to? You have any other suggestions AS far as increasing The overall performance?
Most headers regardless of what you have done only give you around 25 hp at the most
@@Mysterious_History1 awesome! thats plenty if you ask me!
@@GCANDY100 yea, headers are probably the best bang for bucks your going to get...I know you already know cams, heads and superchargers are a great way to increase horsepower but they can get expensive.
I feel with a 3” exhaust the shorty headers would help create a little more back pressure. Thoughts?
Hi Eddie, On what application?
Thanks for watching!
LS1 swap 5.3l L59, PCM flashed for LS swap into 69 camaro: problem- backfiring in exhaust tube. Yes I have longtube headers. Passenger side running 50 - 100 hotter then driverside. Any ideas?
I own a 2008 Chevy Silverado Max Vortec. It is currently tuned and has K/N cold air intake with a Magnaflow Muffler. Should i go for long tube or shorty headers? Oh also it is one of those dropped down trucks.
Looking into shortys vs current long tube Hookers for my '66 Stang. The car has the shorter 1" drop coils and the problem is the collectors scrape the wider speed bumps and they're kinda close to the fuel and brake lines. Any suggestion on brands?
A shorty header should free up some ground clearance.
www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/headers/year/1966/make/ford/model/mustang/header-style/shorty?N=header-style%3Ashorty
Yes those bumps fuckin me up too
Would it make sense to get a cam optimized for high RPM if I get a shorty header and if i got a long tube headers i would want a cam optimized for low rpm power?
Are there any brands u recommend , or recommend to stay away from ?
1991 k2500 5.7L automatic 4/4
Long tube
What’s the best?
Has new 2.5 true dual
Flowmater 50 delta mufflers
Is there sa stainless option?
I have a Silverado w a 3” drop in the front and 6” in the back would this be a problem since I’m lower
Haha for sure. My 90 cought the collector on a speed bump.
So power wise , shortys aren’t much different than stock manifolds ?
Almost anything is an improvement over *most* stock manifolds, with few exceptions. Generally shorties will make gains, it depends on how poorly designed your stock exhaust manifolds are. If they're like those old, crummy log manifolds then shorties will help a lot. If your car already came with tubular exhaust manifolds that resemble shorty headers, like you see on a lot of 4 cylinders and even some performance V8's nowadays, you probably won't notice a difference. For example, for the money, I wouldn't mess with shorty headers on a newer Mustang since they come with kinda short headers already, I'd go straight to long.
I have a c5 Corvette, will long tubes scrape the ground all the time?
I can't find big block shorty headers for a 1965 chevelle. I need some for an A-Body 65-72 model
Unfortunately, none of the manufacturers that we carry offer them for that vehicle. I am not sure where you will be able to find them at. You might try doing a Google search for them.
Any part numbers for long tube headers for a 1996 Chevy Silverado k1500
At wart rpm do long tube headers urrpass shores on sat a 20/1 charger 5.7?
Which would be better for a 429 cj in a 79 f100? Consider the big block won’t be revved to the moon in order to get max output
Part number for shortys on a 2006 hemi 1500 ram please.
Got any smog headers for a 454 powered 85 C30?
Can i connect shortie headers to stock exhaust? And is there a difference in sound between stock manifold and these 2 types?
I have 57 Ranchero w/390FE. The stock header just barely clear the steering gear box. I want long tube do I have to go custom or is there a long tube that will clear my steering box
Hi Glenn, we do not see anything for that application.
2016 Camaro LT2 v6. Looking for more sound at idle and low RPM. Should I get the long head or shorty?
Long tubes would provide more sound, although replacing the factory exhaust/mufflers would be a better option if you are simply looking for more sound.
What headers are best for a truck that tows? About 3 days a week. Thanks in advance
I have a 2014 mustang v6. If I want to make more power what the best long header or short?
Hello! My name is Nicholas and I currently own a 2011 Ram 1500 Big horn. I have the hemi tick with either the lifter issue or broken exhaust bolts. I am currently looking into replacing the manifold with long tube headers. Do you have any advice as to how to prevent the bolts from breaking or any recommendations? Do you have any recommendations on any long tube headers?
Have an 06 charger Daytona Rt, cant decide which would be better LT or ST?
*PTSD FLASHBACK* after seeing the Driver's side shorty header on the right and remembering my SBC S10 square body days with the steering shaft that had to go in between the header tubes and learning the hard way that I should have also installed solid motor mounts rather than old rubber x-member side mounts (huge pee shiver...rr...rrr...)
Straight to the point I like him
Thanks for watching !
What about tri Y headers
Are the shortys gonna bring the thunder or will they sound the same as stock manifolds ? 2017 5.7 hemi, already thundering but could use more
Should be a little louder. But its really more about the rest of your exhaust
Great video! Straight to the point. Thank you!!
Thank you for watching!
Im trying to get the deepest or strongest sound out of my v6 manuel camaro. And ik long tube headers help a lot. And in they help your engine a lot as well. But i just wanted to ask if its a smart choice to long tube header your daily drivin car?
I don’t usually drive to far or anything more than 50 miles a day sometimes i hardley drive it. I just wanna know if long tube headers are a smart choice for sound or if shorty headers can give me the same sound or i just want some advice before i do it. If theirs anything i should know?
Hi Francisco,
You cannot get the same sound from short headers as you can with long tube. With that being said, I don’t know that there will be a lot of options for a V6 Camaro so you may limited to what is available.
The school of thought I have been told is Long Tubes for air flow. Long Tubes help your car breath and flow air through your system. The more air through, the more power you make, that is why you lose some torque on the low end, you don't get the back pressure that you get with shorties, that is why Long Tubes are boss for upper RPM range. If you are getting top end work done; Cam, super/procharger, bigger pistons, etc, then Long Tubes are the way to go. If you are planning those mods in the future, then long tubes are the way to go.
Back pressure is detrimental to performance. It's all about the velocity and CFM of the exhaust.
Another idiot misusing the term backpressure as if engines like a certain amount lol
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Ive got a 99 suburban with a 350. Its 2wd. Would like to use shortys. Then using 2.5 from the headers into an x pipe. With 2.5 tailpipes.
Here is a link to the headers we offer for your application: 1999 Chevy Suburban Shorty Headers.
www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/headers/year/1999/make/chevrolet/model/c1500-suburban/engine-size/5-7l-350/engine-family/chevy-small-block-gen-i?N=header-style%3Ashorty&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=headers&kr=headers