Don’t forget you can also justify it by it being 1 piece to the whole puzzle. If you add 3-4 mods that give you an extra 3-6 hp that’s not nothing. And to say you’ve modded/customized your car and made it act differently is also cool.
I was going to comment something similar I heard from a BladedAngel video. He talked about how mods add up over time, and it's not just throwing on one mod and boom, a hundred extra horses.
The word is synergy the combined accumulation of all the mods adding up . That’s fine and ok but if you were to to get a dyno flash tune or Ecutek with headers , performance exhaust & A cool air intake u will see massive gains in HP, Torque & MPG
i just finished re-assembling my engine and I have a piston left over. From my experience building things LEGO has taught me there is always extra pieces when you finish
You're not wrong. When he pulled the heat shield, I thought maybe he was wasting his time. Think he would have had better results replacing an unfortunate exhaust manifold.
You don't get any gains from headers on 1.6 or 1.8 miata. 1.8 has a great factory header. 4-2-1 collector flows nicely from factory. Cat delete and free flow muffler = win
@@ajsimmons1156 key words here are "heat shield" Without heat management the open air filter is sucking hot air. The potential is there but needs improvement.
When you do any mods like this or the pod filter, you need to reset your "base idle", how to do this is in the workshop manual, your xtra couple of horsepower may be there & it will run & idle so much better, cheers Steve North Harbour Mazda.
I'm surprised you made as much as you did. The weather (temperature and pressure) might have accounted for the difference you saw. The stock header didn't look like a bad design (unlike a lot of the horrible cast iron headers found on many cars), plus you ditched the heat shield, which means you're losing energy from the gases which can reduce the ability to scavenge and you're increasing your air intake temperature.
@@Jwall1310 if the Turbo it, you would still be right to call it supercharged. What we call turbochargers today, used to be called centripetal turbo superchargers. A turbocharger is just a turbine powered supercharger, and the electric turbos you hear about these days are technically not turbos at all, they are just electric powered centripetal superchargers.
A vid on an eBay turbo would be his hardest challenge cause it wouldn’t fit right at all and he wouldn’t be able to use it without many trails and a lot of error
The original manifold was a really good design for flow, the only reason you probably saw any increase was because you removed the catalytic converter which was probably the only real restriction in the exhaust system
Looks like that NA had the stock iron head swapped out with the NB 01 header, which is pretty decent. I had a 00 with iron header, swapped it out with the 01 header which I had powder coated and kept the heat shield and have the RoadsterSport mid-pipe and RS4 exhaust along with a CAI and MazdaSpeed intake camshaft. The engine really pulls above 4k and has a nice low burble when cruising around. But, when you are really going in the canyons, it's sonorous and responsive. Stuck with he 01 header so I can pass emissions testing, plus it was cheap and still better than the Iron one.
Older vid, but good info and fun. The stock Mazda part looks really great. Typical engine with log style irons can get 10% gains with long tubes. If you're looking for a few ponies, get rid of that heat soaking under hood air filter. Get your stock box back and use a KnN drop in. Sucking in hot under hood air causes your PCM to pull timing to prevent knock. Also, run a 160 thermostat if your car won't throw a CEL, otherwise a 170 will net you a few ponies as well.
If it ain’t broke... His luck he fucks up the threads and has a leak. No reason to replace studs without a problem or rusty. Also, the average joe should expect to snap a few studs. I want to watch him drill out a steel stud from aluminum head. Nah jk. Im not that mean.
I think they tried that is one episode about making it shoot flames... It's pretty limited in that episode. I think it's great that they are working on a car most people could afford and have fun with. It's most interesting to work with limitations.
Some sort of re-tune would have to be in order at some point though - All these parts, and the limited gains from the parts themselves? You could gain so much more from a re-tune that is actually mapped to take full advantage of the parts. That is why on my L36 engine build (Holden Commodore, being Aussie and all), I have every intention of replacing my stock engine management sooner or later, even though my plans don't go beyond "mild daily-driver NA spec". Bonus - A retune with better equipment should not only gain me even more power, but actually make the engine more fuel-efficient too! ~JD
@@DavieJones_Lockr Yeah def illegal in CA: Any model post-1971 you can't run open headers on the street because you're bypassing the cat. Plus if it makes more than 95dB at 3/4 throttle, you're violating noise limitations.
I love this series bc I’m also in the process of building my ‘93 black NA Miata lol I’d love to see - rollbar/cage - frame rails/braces - racing seats - turbo !!!
I went with BBK Short Headers on my 2012 Mustang and they really improved daily driving enjoyment in low-mid torque. There was MAYBE some peak HP gains, but torque was noticeably improved. Plus they deepened the exhaust tone, bolted to the stock cats, and were relatively cheap. I very much doubt long-tube Headers gain much peak HP at all, and they typically kill low-mid power.
@@dan_6915 Yeah, there was also a V12 one in the works just for the lolz Honestly the best swap is a modern V6 or a turbo K series. LS is like doing a budget Dodge Viper, which is fine, but I would like to keep the good handling.
This is kinda dumb but I had a quick question. I wanna get into cars and stuff (I’m new and don’t have my license yet) and I was wondering how I would find/approach a good tuner in my area?
@@krishnapatel6777 I had some luck talking to coworkers, going to car shows, reading forums, and asking folks at performance shops. You've already done the right thing by asking here and I think more qualified people will lend their opinions!
Yeah, last time wanted to just see how much my 30+ years old Lada 2105 buff pony remaining just to find out they don't have tech to measure old car without plug in cable
Wow, this takes me back to 1968 when I bought a Datsun 2000 roadster that had 135 hp stock. I was stationed at Edwards air force base and we had unlimited space to run flat out. I was in the army and one of the civilian engineers (MIT) had a new Porsche 912 targa and we would race in the desert . I could always beat him on top speed (135 mph) but cornering I couldn't keep up. I decided to look into speed equipment and even being a So Cal boy in 1968 Datsun was like what? Luckily I went to Iskendarian looking for parts who sent be to Pete Brock who had an operation sponsored by the Datsun factory to develop racing cars and parts and to support independents like me too go fast in Datsuns ! I bought the factory racing cam, side draft webbers ,factor racing headers and to many small items to mention. I swapped out the stock 560-14" wheels and tires for Minilite magnesium wheels with Goodyear Blu-streak racing tires. The Porsche guy was in shock when we had a chance to go again as my funny little Japanese Datsun with north of 200 HP could go north of 160 mph and corner as good or better than the Porsche! I didn't find out until years later how famous Pete Brock was! I'm still remembering him and his also famous mechanic being regular super helpful guys actually turning wrenches under my hood when I was just a soldier back from Viet Nam stationed at edwards AFB....they treated me like a VIP !
❤️ seeing the bikes in the background. I’m a Yamaha fan boy but I’ve owned some ninjas too. My buddy had a Honda stunt bike that he tried to destroy daily and it just kept ripping wheels after getting thrown to the ground over and over at stunt practice
the factory manifold looks to be just about as good of a design as the aftermarket. id like to see a similar test on a typical cast log manifold vs a 4-2-1 and 4-1 on the same vehicle.
@@tommyboubou that’s still better 🤷🏼♀️ I did a Type S oil pump, k20a cams, 50 degree cam gear, RBC IM, Type S TB, ktuned big tube header, 3” intake and 3” exhaust on my K24a2 swapped civic………. And it wasn’t worth the money. Lol. It was like $1500 before the retune. Only netted like 40hp.
@@dillonmessamore8980 idk if cams, balanced oil pump, and 50 degree vtc gear are bolt ons since you have to open the engine to do them… but it’s still not terrible. A turbo woulda been more cost effective IMO. And the oil pump/cams vtc combo allows you to get approx 900 more rpm up too which increases hp by default.
"One of the quickest and easiest ways..." How many times have we heard this statement now hahaha I love his optimism after all he has done so far, he should have dome this to start with tbh so we get a real before and after image.
I thought for sure as he was shit talking how easy the install was going to be they weren't going to fit for some reason. That's how all my projects go anyway. haha
Got a set of shorty headers on my 04 tahoe, installed a cold air intake along with the headers and I can't tell that it made any difference performance wise but I never had it on a dyno either. For 185 bucks though, I'd say the headers were well worth it in my opinion. The 3/8 flanges looked really good and the welds are as good as anything I could do with a tig welder on my best day.
In my opinion you could tell by the looks of the stock Mazda exhaust header that the after market header was not going to give you much more power. Replacing a stock cast iron header is one thing but the stock Mazda header was a tube header and looked pretty sweet.
honestly, the Miata header is fairly well made for a factory engine, the moment I saw it it was quite clear that you would not gain much, but as you said it is a quick and cheap upgrade that looks super nice and adds a little bit, so why not? I think you made a good decision.
@Darth Giggity Had leaks for years on my 1967 pontiac, took it in to old timer guy, he planed the head and the header, and used no gasket, been on there for 22 years now and not leaked! So I'm going with thick flanges.
Thanks, I came here to say this, but I knew someone would have already pointed it out. Now my ford 390 which has a rectangular manifold on each side will absolutely get.... dang ol ten horsepower for sure with headers.
The stock header looked REALLY good. The headers also replaced the midpipe so he now is running catless. I'm not sure the headers themselves did a thing.
I like how nobody nor zack has mentioned the steering rack he didn’t fix in the last video. So according to that he’s just running waterfall of ps fluid for a daily now?
as a guy who works with carbs and manual distributor timing, you do. that timing could probably be advanced and make even more hp. stock timing on most older cars is retarded waaaay back. some adjustable cam gears to advance the stock cam about 4 degrees would help too.
I also swear I didn't cheat 3.5-4 ponies was not bad. It's an improvement overall and simply just taking the time to put some love in your ride is good enough for me. It would have been neat to see a full stock exhaust vs the catback system and header. Plus there's always the option of a hi-flow cat as well.
@@jzxtrd337 not entirely sure what you mean, as the sti is the one with unequal length, while the 15+ wrx has equal length headers. Hence, no subie rumble. They do make unequal length headers for the wrx now, but you lose out on some power since it is less efficient/isnt twin scroll(honestly not 100% on this part). You are correct on the headers changing exhaust by a large amount though.
That's probably why he didn't gain much, stock headers are quite good. The headers on my Honda Jazz(Fit) were like this but going aftermarket with larger diameter pipes that matched the port size of the head gave me more mid range torque which was noticeable.
Yeah, probably not a good example. That factory part actually looked an OK design (unlike the cast iron and usually square factory extractors of my youth.)
Check out the factory headers on the 2ZZ-GE Toyota motor, they were so good that 90% of the after market headers for that motor actually robbed you of horsepower.
I am building a v8 ranger where space is a premium. I thought of shorty headers but I am putting mildly ported GT40p heads on and the factory explorer headers showed to work as well as the shorty's in that 300-400 HP range. Saved me a ton of money.
@@slingbart705 but like low end torque is only gonna matter in first gear. When do torque and horsepower matter? When you’re using it. Therefore, after the first 1.5 seconds you’ll be in the mid to upper range and be making a mo powa babeh
@@jimmiejordan6537 saw one for about $5k USD that came with a 48V converter as well....pity it topped out around 7 psi :/ was pretty universal though, they supply a bunch of pulleys and belts and you source the piping
@@rasecoaoj he throws the header and it landed on his water hose at the lawn. header = heavy, big water hose = small, fragile he's saying "my hose" as he's afraid that it might have damage his hose because of his action
@@rasecoaoj he just threw a 95 miata header on his yard and was worried about the damage to his garden hose that it landed on, instead of the 95 miata header he threw on his lawn
I know theyre youre sponsor, but as someone who appreciates cars and watches. I have to say Vincero is trash. You can buy the exact same watch on AliExpress for a couple bucks. All they do is slap their label on it and charge over 100 bucks for it. Just tryna save yall from a bad purchase. Love the content keep it up!
Yup, Vincero is just a company that sources cheap parts and up sells a $20 grocery store watch for more than $100 bucks. Any watch in the $100+ range should be a proper automatic or at least a very good quartz. Skip the chinese crap bc Seiko/Orient or Citizen make good entry level mechanical watches for $100.
The stock manifold looked to flow pretty well honestly, if you put headers and exhaust on something like my 96 civic there would probably be pretty noticeable gains due to the horribly flowing exhaust on it 🤷🏼♂️
Can I just say Money pit, hi low, and up to speed are my favorite series on this channel and how I’ve learned so much about cars on this channel and watching zack pimp out The Miata and how this channel has Such a fun audience and I love all the hosts for all the different series but I do be missing Science garage and I still want an up to speed on James dad
Gotta admit, the factory Mazda header looked pretty close to the new one. Maybe if you started out with the old style cast iron log, you gain a lot more.
Great video. I'm going to replace my headers with shorties because the originals are all rusted out anyway. Glad to know it will give a little hp. My fav part of the video is the "The Thing" music playing in the background.
You don't have to tune it to get gains but they will be small and a tune will compound them. I would say the intake and the rest of the exhaust has already helped a bit. I would say starting stock at 100hp at the hubs and now 107hp is a good gain from better flow with no tune
So glad I subscribed to this channel! Between this channel and the Scotty Kilmer 1 I feel like I’m damn near a mechanic with all the knowledge I’ve been getting here & there 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
zit depends on what you are driving and what you are expecting....I was happy I did it with my old 99 TL 3.2 V6 Vtec. it sounded great and I also had an Ebay air intake with a k&n filter. OEM style cat, 2" resonator then Y piped to a 2.25" straight pipes to rear bumper with chrome tips. Give it better response a better mid to high rpm power and I was really glad I did it. I should do a j swap civic or integra
The MOST important thing to do when you change the airflow of any vehicle is to TUNE IT. Just adding headers, exhaust, and intake arent really going to gain you anything without a tune.
Depends on the year and complexity of the ECU as well. Older setups can make gains without fine tuning, but youll allways make the most of what you do with a little fiddling.
They did need to tune the car because the header & the intake were changed from the factory configuration. They really should have put a real CAI on. If they tuned the car with that setup, it would have probably gained 5-7 hp realistically.
Stock exhaust systems are designed to have zero back pressure at stock power so there really is no added performance until you are flowing more air than stock.
Stock exhaust systems are designed to have zero back pressure at stock power so there really is no added performance until you are flowing more air than stock.
Stock exhaust systems are designed to have zero back pressure at stock power so there really is no added performance until you are flowing more air than stock.
Stock exhaust systems are designed to have zero back pressure at stock power so there really is no added performance until you are flowing more air than stock.
Would assume they've pretty much optimized the original ones for the stock engine to begin with. But i guess this could be called a success since there was no reduction in power with the new headers. Unless low end torque suffered making it worse to drive in normal conditions. I would call this plain dumb if you have to spend $400 and a half day for basically nothing, or possibly making it worse. Denying that this wasn't worth it is just human nature to make you'r self feel a little less of a fool.
More usable mid range power and a higher rev..it’s not all about peak hp numbers kiddo..proof positive as to how learning how to read a dyno graph would be very beneficial 😂
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Donut putting a little timer during their sponsors is god tier thank you
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Agreed - these guys are awesome.
What's not God tier is the two, unskippable 15 second ads
@@Rollermanfromspace Yeah and apparently I should join the navy
Bro ongggg
This is literally the smoothest header install I’ve ever seen lol no bolt cutting, rubber mallet-ing, or cursing.. amazing!
Yeah.....not a very realistic video....
Right? lol I remember doing the headers on an LS1 TransAm and it involved much swearing, bloody knuckles, and took close to an entire day
Dude, I put headers on my new edge mustang GT, took me forever, but I got them on and it sounded AMAZING.
Was it worth it? Yep
no tool dropping neither
Yep, this one was really smooth... try something like that on a Busso transverse V6 and you are done with headers for life....
"Thats why we got to turbo this thing"
The pistons : I dont feel so good
What do you mean 1.6 are very tough engines
He means rods
Rods can hold like 250wheel wym
Wait I thought he said it was a 94 in the last episode. Aren’t those 1.8s?
compression and rods are what matters.
Don’t forget you can also justify it by it being 1 piece to the whole puzzle. If you add 3-4 mods that give you an extra 3-6 hp that’s not nothing. And to say you’ve modded/customized your car and made it act differently is also cool.
People forget it’s about making your car your own as well.
I was going to comment something similar I heard from a BladedAngel video. He talked about how mods add up over time, and it's not just throwing on one mod and boom, a hundred extra horses.
@@adamstreetboyzz Straight up. Mod it how you want it, but do the mods right.
The word is synergy the combined accumulation of all the mods adding up . That’s fine and ok but if you were to to get a dyno flash tune or Ecutek with headers , performance exhaust & A cool air intake u will see massive gains in HP, Torque & MPG
My wallet will disagree
i just finished re-assembling my engine and I have a piston left over. From my experience building things LEGO has taught me there is always extra pieces when you finish
Hahahahaha a spare part
You're gonna end up with wayy more "spare" parts. 💥🚗⬅️
Its okay one piston less is ur weight reducing kit
They say if you forget installing something, it was probably not that important
*facepalm*
I hope this series continues after the miata is “done”, it would be nice to see this done with some other inexpensive tuner cars
Maybe they'll do this same thing will an older civic 😍
I agree fully!
Or an a chassis
S13/14 after this miata
They need to do a Vibe GT 👀
Is that a 95 miata? The factory header on those has pretty good flow for a stock header. I think that's why you didn't see much of an increase.
You're not wrong. When he pulled the heat shield, I thought maybe he was wasting his time. Think he would have had better results replacing an unfortunate exhaust manifold.
You don't get any gains from headers on 1.6 or 1.8 miata. 1.8 has a great factory header. 4-2-1 collector flows nicely from factory. Cat delete and free flow muffler = win
I was just thinking that, that engine is pretty good for a stock.
@@ajsimmons1156 key words here are "heat shield"
Without heat management the open air filter is sucking hot air. The potential is there but needs improvement.
The stock one looked better quality IMO.
I love how much raspier the Miata with the header installed and I'd say it's worth it you got better exhaust gas flow now.
“Now that we got it nice and hot, let’s go touch it.” 😂😂😂
Underrated comment XD
That's what she said.
And thats how I met your mother
“I’m really worried we’re gonna max out the dyno” had me dead 😂
Said it so stone cold serious too!
I was laughing until I scrolled down here...at the end of the video.
I really wish price per HP for bolton was not so expensive
@@user-cx4ev9fw1k when dealing with such awesome performance that's what it takes.
I didn’t realize it was a joke at first and was so confused 😂😂 he kept the straightest face to lmao
10:20 "Yeah I'm kinda worried we might max out the dyno on this one."
Destruction: *100*
Didn't have to do him like that lol
When stock motorcycles make 2.5x your power..
I think the guy was genuinely concern about the RPM (however I doubt his concern was warranted ~ still I don't know his dyno-specs.)
Ey that’s my name
@@Hope4Today9 That's a fair point. It's definitely not the style of dyno I've seen in other videos.
When you do any mods like this or the pod filter, you need to reset your "base idle", how to do this is in the workshop manual, your xtra couple of horsepower may be there & it will run & idle so much better,
cheers
Steve
North Harbour Mazda.
Probably right
wait North Harbour Mazda in Auckland new Zealand? lol my girl mate jessie works there thats buzzy as
“I’m really worried we’re gonna max out the dyno” LMAO
Maybe rpm?
I almost spit out my drink when he said that lolol
@@TheAdatto Hope that was it was.
Coldlight Oracle I think he’s prepping for Turbo old ones maybe wouldn’t handle it?
The only time I laughed in this video lmao
While James is still the GOAT, Donut adding Zach to the crew and giving him his own series has been the best thing they've ever done.
Jeremiah is top dog too though!
Hey don't forget our milk driven, naturally aspirated Nolan
nolan is the sleeper here. But yeah- zach is awesome. They have a good personality spectrum in general.
Zach: "Now that we got it nice and hot, let's go touch it"
me: **gasps with excitement**
That made my day just a lil better 😂
I had to do this when i lost a vband bolt after driving it. Next to some glowing turbos. That was fun.
I'm surprised you made as much as you did. The weather (temperature and pressure) might have accounted for the difference you saw. The stock header didn't look like a bad design (unlike a lot of the horrible cast iron headers found on many cars), plus you ditched the heat shield, which means you're losing energy from the gases which can reduce the ability to scavenge and you're increasing your air intake temperature.
Do you think temperature tape would help?
For real that was the most headerish stock manifold I've seen in a minute
@@oceanwaves83 Agreed, the factory piece was pretty good. With iron log manifolds the gains would be greater.
"That's why we got to turbo this thing"
$400 Headers: Wait, c-cant we talk about this?!
I bet they supercharge it
Justin Wall they really wont
@@Jwall1310 if the Turbo it, you would still be right to call it supercharged. What we call turbochargers today, used to be called centripetal turbo superchargers. A turbocharger is just a turbine powered supercharger, and the electric turbos you hear about these days are technically not turbos at all, they are just electric powered centripetal superchargers.
The crossover episode we're all looking forward to: Up to Speed on eBay Turbos featuring: The money pit Miata
Along with a B2B on the Miata once it's done.
@pizzaparkersgarage hey i saw your comment on Car throttle in their latest roast my ride video 🤟🏻
A vid on an eBay turbo would be his hardest challenge cause it wouldn’t fit right at all and he wouldn’t be able to use it without many trails and a lot of error
Wutang wooshi bois FTW
Boosted boiz
Zack: "They should take about half a day to install"
Anyone who's installed headers: lol
Is it difficult?
emphasis on should
😂
It’s actually pretty easy on a Miata.
Carcaine thank god u said it bc I was going to
The original manifold was a really good design for flow, the only reason you probably saw any increase was because you removed the catalytic converter which was probably the only real restriction in the exhaust system
Good point! But also a factor, the longer primary tubes on the header scavenge better in the mid band, increasing torque through the power band.
Looks like that NA had the stock iron head swapped out with the NB 01 header, which is pretty decent. I had a 00 with iron header, swapped it out with the 01 header which I had powder coated and kept the heat shield and have the RoadsterSport mid-pipe and RS4 exhaust along with a CAI and MazdaSpeed intake camshaft. The engine really pulls above 4k and has a nice low burble when cruising around. But, when you are really going in the canyons, it's sonorous and responsive. Stuck with he 01 header so I can pass emissions testing, plus it was cheap and still better than the Iron one.
Also there are long term engine benefits like less carbon buildup
"Now that we got it nice and hot, lets go touch it!" Literally made me LOL
Zach: Throws socket in the grass
10 mil: Nooooo not again
Lawn mower: D:
"we got to turbo this thing"
*piston rods have left the chat*
Its a miata, it will last😅
Lol
It will hold up if the engine is tight.
Piston rods "have" left the chat
Nah bruh, afrs are everything. If theres no knock, theres no problem.
What you removed was basically a shorty header...especially when compared to some oem exhausts of the past. Nice test..thx
“Alright now that we got it nice and hot, let’s go touch it”
LMFAO, ngl that was pretty funny.
I snort laughed pretty hard at that one. Because I was just thinking "maybe let it sit with the hood open for a bit" haha
Instructions unclear, no longer have fingerprints 😂
He heated it up to make the bolts easier to extract
Favorite show, Wednesday’s are better with Zach. ❤️
I wonder what's next?
@@N0-Acc3ss Thursday
when donut works on cars: everything goes smoothly
when I work on cars: finds out the previous owner superglued everything together
...fucking rockset
The car is now 51% bondo
lmao watch the previous episode of money pit
Loool
Si wey
Older vid, but good info and fun. The stock Mazda part looks really great. Typical engine with log style irons can get 10% gains with long tubes.
If you're looking for a few ponies, get rid of that heat soaking under hood air filter. Get your stock box back and use a KnN drop in. Sucking in hot under hood air causes your PCM to pull timing to prevent knock. Also, run a 160 thermostat if your car won't throw a CEL, otherwise a 170 will net you a few ponies as well.
I always thought it was weird that those are called cold air intakes when really they are hot air intakes.
Power steering: magically repaired*
Haha! I found a nice used one for $100 and slammed that in there!
@@Donut So what caused the problem from the last episode?.
@@Donut SHHHHHHHH!!!! You fixed it! You fixed it with your mechanical wizardry.
@@Donut Ok, I was worried about that. Glad it's fixed I can't wait for the turbo!
Lol
Zach is the CEO of “while we’re in here, might as well...”
Yep, that’s pretty much every DIY’er lol
Changing the studs is something you should do
@@alexstromberg7696 might as well while you're in there
If it ain’t broke...
His luck he fucks up the threads and has a leak.
No reason to replace studs without a problem or rusty.
Also, the average joe should expect to snap a few studs.
I want to watch him drill out a steel stud from aluminum head.
Nah jk. Im not that mean.
nooo... that's chrisfix
Love how big budget this channel looks and yet it still feels humble and fun not like discovery keep it up dont overdo yourself
When you do this you should also be logging your airflow ratio so that you can see if it runs a little leaner or something...
This is literally my favourite series by donut🤘
Loving this and loved HiLow.
My 2 d fav after ofcoutstse the past gag podcast
This one is like my second. But I love my dude james soooo😂
I'd really like to see some ECU tuning done at some point
I think they tried that is one episode about making it shoot flames... It's pretty limited in that episode. I think it's great that they are working on a car most people could afford and have fun with. It's most interesting to work with limitations.
Some sort of re-tune would have to be in order at some point though - All these parts, and the limited gains from the parts themselves? You could gain so much more from a re-tune that is actually mapped to take full advantage of the parts.
That is why on my L36 engine build (Holden Commodore, being Aussie and all), I have every intention of replacing my stock engine management sooner or later, even though my plans don't go beyond "mild daily-driver NA spec". Bonus - A retune with better equipment should not only gain me even more power, but actually make the engine more fuel-efficient too!
~JD
In order to pull this off you really need to go to a standalone. Miata ECUs do not lend them selves to easy tuning.
An ECU tune will usually net you more ponies than a header, CAI, and catback.
probably some piggyback would do
It’s not about the miles per hour, it’s about the smiles per hour 🙂
I'd be very sad spending $400 for 4 horsepower haha
That's why I measure my enjoyment in my car in smiles per gallon. How dare anyone tell me my miles per gallon aren't great lol
It’s about bitches per revs
It's about the powa baby!!!
Smiles per miles *
10:23 I love how he stops praying by the 3 pass. Looking like a disappointed parent 🤣🤣🤣😭😭
"It's about the fun you have installing it!" How's that steering rack, Zach?
Didn't have to do him dirty like that
F
lmaooooo
oof, thats savage
50% of comments: that old header was good
other 50%: when you gonna boost it?!?
I am waiting for the domebar
OK who doesn’t start their car with open headers. This is like against the law not to do that
His already the most popular neighbor on the block, maybe he doesn't want to disturb his neighbors even more than usual
uhhh...... I actually do thinknits against the law to start it with an open header lol.... I get what you mean though haha
@@DavieJones_Lockr
Yeah def illegal in CA:
Any model post-1971 you can't run open headers on the street because you're bypassing the cat.
Plus if it makes more than 95dB at 3/4 throttle, you're violating noise limitations.
Den I//Noble Russkie who cares my car bypasses the cat and I daily
My tinnitus says otherwise.
I love this series bc I’m also in the process of building my ‘93 black NA Miata lol
I’d love to see
- rollbar/cage
- frame rails/braces
- racing seats
- turbo !!!
JW what about a tune to?
You are in luck, my friend
Donut Media ❤️❤️
Like Zach said, he will touch every part of this miata
I saw butterfly brace sitting in the garage on pwer steering leak episode
Next ep: Are turbos worth it?
After that: Swapping your engine the cheap way
Henlo fellow fur friend
Furry
Kudasai yes
Man i liked this comment but someone replied "hEnLo FuRfReInD" and that is why 2020 exists
@@poopoo8315 agreed
As bladed angel once said:
They may not give me as much preformance, but now my corvette sounds like a Ferrari
@Prodigy yes
While I appreciate this as jest, the reality is you'd have to change the crank shaft to make it sound like a ferrari. :)
Christian A you’ve seen Leone right?
@@eyemastervideo but he made it sound like a ferrari with just headers
@@eyemastervideo watch the video dude! Bladed's set up is mental. Equal length headers make a lot of difference!
I went with BBK Short Headers on my 2012 Mustang and they really improved daily driving enjoyment in low-mid torque. There was MAYBE some peak HP gains, but torque was noticeably improved. Plus they deepened the exhaust tone, bolted to the stock cats, and were relatively cheap. I very much doubt long-tube Headers gain much peak HP at all, and they typically kill low-mid power.
zack: * wants more powa *
Next episode: * how to LS swap your miata *
I saw one before with a LS engine and it sounds, looks sick
My friends in my car team did this last
A uk dude installed a jaguar 3.0l v6 engine.
Sick ride he create.
@@dan_6915 Yeah, there was also a V12 one in the works just for the lolz
Honestly the best swap is a modern V6 or a turbo K series. LS is like doing a budget Dodge Viper, which is fine, but I would like to keep the good handling.
@@MiGujack3 aluminium block ls engines don't weigh much more than a b6 (original mx5 engine.)
as a tuner/dyno operator: if you show up to a dyno with expectations, you're going to leave disappointed LOL
Truest comment ever
This is kinda dumb but I had a quick question. I wanna get into cars and stuff (I’m new and don’t have my license yet) and I was wondering how I would find/approach a good tuner in my area?
@@krishnapatel6777 I had some luck talking to coworkers, going to car shows, reading forums, and asking folks at performance shops. You've already done the right thing by asking here and I think more qualified people will lend their opinions!
Krishna Patel why would you be approaching a tuner if you don’t have your license😂😂
Yeah, last time wanted to just see how much my 30+ years old Lada 2105 buff pony remaining just to find out they don't have tech to measure old car without plug in cable
Won’t be long until Zach get a spinny turb boi on there
BIGBROTHERBASH hopefully
I wouldn't say spiny turbo more like spooly snail boi
Turbski's bro.
The only channel where I will listen to sponsor endorsements.
Wow, this takes me back to 1968 when I bought a Datsun 2000 roadster that had 135 hp stock. I was stationed at Edwards air force base and we had unlimited space to run flat out. I was in the army and one of the civilian engineers (MIT) had a new Porsche 912 targa and we would race in the desert . I could always beat him on top speed (135 mph) but cornering I couldn't keep up. I decided to look into speed equipment and even being a So Cal boy in 1968 Datsun was like what? Luckily I went to Iskendarian looking for parts who sent be to Pete Brock who had an operation sponsored by the Datsun factory to develop racing cars and parts and to support independents like me too go fast in Datsuns ! I bought the factory racing cam, side draft webbers ,factor racing headers and to many small items to mention. I swapped out the stock 560-14" wheels and tires for Minilite magnesium wheels with Goodyear Blu-streak racing tires. The Porsche guy was in shock when we had a chance to go again as my funny little Japanese Datsun with north of 200 HP could go north of 160 mph and corner as good or better than the Porsche! I didn't find out until years later how famous Pete Brock was! I'm still remembering him and his also famous mechanic being regular super helpful guys actually turning wrenches under my hood when I was just a soldier back from Viet Nam stationed at edwards AFB....they treated me like a VIP !
Amazing story! That’s super cool!
Thanks for the story !! Would’ve loved to see a Datsun vs Porsche race 😂
Magnesium wheels... that was a different time lol.
LEGENDARY!!! Thanks for sharing!
That's such a cool story. I know it's been a while, but do you still have the car? Just curious.
"It's not about the buffness of the horses, but the size of their hearts." - The 4 Horses That Could, by J.K Simpin
I really wish science garage came back... That's what brought me to this channel
Thats what brought me to the channel too 👌🏼
I miss Bart
Same. I saw science garage on snapchat and got hooked.
Facts. It was actually cool getting a breakdown on parts and how they work
I’m not sure what video I saw first but I think it was science garage
Saw this come up, immediately switched to it
Meto bruh
Tristan Boro same
Sameee
Yup
Same here
By the end of this series this miata is gonna be pushing 1000HP
*110HP
Why, are they planning on crashing it against a Supra?
210 hp
Gonna be a long series gaining 4 hrsprs an episode.
What Miata’s only 100hp +?? I though it is faster than my stock ek9
If it added 0 hp and increased torque, it would still be worth it.
I definitely wouldn't put something on that causes a loss , break even but sounded better ?
Or like you said , more tq would be nice.
Heck yeah!!
HP = Torque X RPMs / 5252 sooo............
Technically, if you increase torque you must increase horsepower.... just not peak hp.
@@confuse9 AKA power under or over the curve. Which was mentioned in the video.
❤️ seeing the bikes in the background. I’m a Yamaha fan boy but I’ve owned some ninjas too. My buddy had a Honda stunt bike that he tried to destroy daily and it just kept ripping wheels after getting thrown to the ground over and over at stunt practice
Next episode: how to fix a hole in your engine block. Holy shit. Thanks for the likes guys
Step 1: Start looking for engine swap ideas...
Spray foam
Fix it with tape
Flex seal is always the answer
Ramen ftw
the factory manifold looks to be just about as good of a design as the aftermarket. id like to see a similar test on a typical cast log manifold vs a 4-2-1 and 4-1 on the same vehicle.
For this vehicle. Some respond better to bolt ons like the K20 especially the k24…
@@zackzittel7683 k20 with header is like 20hp
@@tommyboubou that’s still better 🤷🏼♀️ I did a Type S oil pump, k20a cams, 50 degree cam gear, RBC IM, Type S TB, ktuned big tube header, 3” intake and 3” exhaust on my K24a2 swapped civic………. And it wasn’t worth the money. Lol. It was like $1500 before the retune. Only netted like 40hp.
@@zackzittel7683 from 220 to 260 HP is a pretty sick gain from just bolt ons my dude. Most cars wont even make 20.
@@dillonmessamore8980 idk if cams, balanced oil pump, and 50 degree vtc gear are bolt ons since you have to open the engine to do them… but it’s still not terrible. A turbo woulda been more cost effective IMO. And the oil pump/cams vtc combo allows you to get approx 900 more rpm up too which increases hp by default.
"One of the quickest and easiest ways..."
How many times have we heard this statement now hahaha
I love his optimism after all he has done so far, he should have dome this to start with tbh so we get a real before and after image.
I had a mustang gt, to put long tube headers on that car would take at least 10 to 12 hours install time. Definitely not an easy task.
@@cleonituk Well... that is technically half a day, soooo... lmao
@@TerribleUsernameAmirite I'm guessing he meant a half of a work day (~4 hrs) It took me about that long to do the long tubes on my genesis.
I thought for sure as he was shit talking how easy the install was going to be they weren't going to fit for some reason. That's how all my projects go anyway. haha
Got a set of shorty headers on my 04 tahoe, installed a cold air intake along with the headers and I can't tell that it made any difference performance wise but I never had it on a dyno either. For 185 bucks though, I'd say the headers were well worth it in my opinion. The 3/8 flanges looked really good and the welds are as good as anything I could do with a tig welder on my best day.
In my opinion you could tell by the looks of the stock Mazda exhaust header that the after market header was not going to give you much more power. Replacing a stock cast iron header is one thing but the stock Mazda header was a tube header and looked pretty sweet.
honestly, the Miata header is fairly well made for a factory engine, the moment I saw it it was quite clear that you would not gain much, but as you said it is a quick and cheap upgrade that looks super nice and adds a little bit, so why not? I think you made a good decision.
Only if the flange is really thick and you don't get exhaust leaks.
@Darth Giggity Had leaks for years on my 1967 pontiac, took it in to old timer guy, he planed the head and the header, and used no gasket, been on there for 22 years now and not leaked! So I'm going with thick flanges.
Thanks, I came here to say this, but I knew someone would have already pointed it out.
Now my ford 390 which has a rectangular manifold on each side will absolutely get.... dang ol ten horsepower for sure with headers.
The stock header looked REALLY good. The headers also replaced the midpipe so he now is running catless. I'm not sure the headers themselves did a thing.
was going to say the same thing mazda forked him on that one, the stock manifold looked pretty well set up.
5:37 "I love it when a plan comes together" *flashbacks to last episode about powersteering*
I like how nobody nor zack has mentioned the steering rack he didn’t fix in the last video. So according to that he’s just running waterfall of ps fluid for a daily now?
I love finding old videos that I didn't need at the time. But can now look back and reference. Thanks guys!
Do an aftermarket ECU episode people always claim you need a retune to make intake and exhaust mods work!
rep'd
as a guy who works with carbs and manual distributor timing, you do. that timing could probably be advanced and make even more hp. stock timing on most older cars is retarded waaaay back. some adjustable cam gears to advance the stock cam about 4 degrees would help too.
You need a new tune without it ( fuel injection of course) your car would not run well
doesn't this prove it though? all these shiny parts and almost xero gain over stock power. Of course it needs a tune.
Nolan: God of glasses
Zach: God of bang for your buck.
James: God of MO' POWAH BABY
Nolan is the god of milk
What is Jeremiah?
I could feel the pain when he found it out it wasn’t making 115 :(
I’m new to cars, does he have to tune the car after upgrading a part? Such as the header
@@joeymilevoj3134 yes
@@demitriuswhite3191 why didn’t he show him tuning it in the video?
@@joeymilevoj3134 very lengthy and boring process
I was expecting 130, I though this was a 1.8L
I also swear I didn't cheat 3.5-4 ponies was not bad. It's an improvement overall and simply just taking the time to put some love in your ride is good enough for me. It would have been neat to see a full stock exhaust vs the catback system and header. Plus there's always the option of a hi-flow cat as well.
"Should take 4 hours"
Me in my garage on my fifth day trying to get out that last seized bolt just to strip the head.
You dont really need "All" of the bolts....
Cant be tight if it's a liquid
2v mustang....hell...
@@chunkiermango7982 warps aluminum head. "At least the bolt is out"
I laughed way too hard at this. Reminds me when I worked on my 01 Mazda protoge. Oh a transmission change should take a couple days. 6 months later 😂😑
I love the 240 in its natural habitat, on jack stands, in the background
😂😂😂
I was suprised about the sound on load with headers holy shit
@@jzxtrd337 not entirely sure what you mean, as the sti is the one with unequal length, while the 15+ wrx has equal length headers. Hence, no subie rumble. They do make unequal length headers for the wrx now, but you lose out on some power since it is less efficient/isnt twin scroll(honestly not 100% on this part). You are correct on the headers changing exhaust by a large amount though.
"now that we got it nice and Hot, lets go touch it" lmfao so many burns on my forearms from doing just this
Though I’ll never stop loving James the most, you’re by far my #2 donut follow.
Only because Bids is gone
Frank Morrison rip );
Don’t forget to add the weight savings from taking that heat shielding off!
Swapping a cast manifold for a steel collector probably saved some weight also, Job should've identified that.
Brent Cabot those didn’t look like cast iron manifolds to me, looked like a pretty decent header was factory.
Smaller cat as well. Depending on where its located.
Ryan Sims why would you have cats
That’s one of the smoothest looking “mid-length” exhaust manifold I’ve seen on a stock engine
That's probably why he didn't gain much, stock headers are quite good. The headers on my Honda Jazz(Fit) were like this but going aftermarket with larger diameter pipes that matched the port size of the head gave me more mid range torque which was noticeable.
Yeah, probably not a good example. That factory part actually looked an OK design (unlike the cast iron and usually square factory extractors of my youth.)
Check out the factory headers on the 2ZZ-GE Toyota motor, they were so good that 90% of the after market headers for that motor actually robbed you of horsepower.
Yes. I think they didn't get it much better than this, since the original was already very good designed
I am building a v8 ranger where space is a premium. I thought of shorty headers but I am putting mildly ported GT40p heads on and the factory explorer headers showed to work as well as the shorty's in that 300-400 HP range. Saved me a ton of money.
AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME! You are like 3 steps ahead of my Miata. HAHA.
But how is your steering rack?
@@bagelbandit6076 its a nice rack! LOL Rack is good. FINALLY have an autocross on the schedule so we will see how she holds up. :)
I would call this Header swap more like 3 steps Behind. Waste of time and money for no gain, you know he probably lost some low end torque
@@slingbart705 but like low end torque is only gonna matter in first gear. When do torque and horsepower matter? When you’re using it. Therefore, after the first 1.5 seconds you’ll be in the mid to upper range and be making a mo powa babeh
With that motor there's no way you'll make 10hp to the wheel, maybe crank with a tune...
Now do a cat delete!😃👍👌
I love how whenever Zack works on the miata his S14 looks really pissed off at him.
“We just bought a new header system.... so we are gonna turbo it... and get rid of the new header...”
Then sell it and get a Chrysler crossfire 😂
I just seen a video for an electric turbo... might work?
Steve Sawatzky nah bruh. Unless you drive an electric car but those are electric super chargers not turbos
@@Scuba4realz All things considered, an electric supercharger would provide no benefit over NA in this case unless you spend thousands
@@jimmiejordan6537 saw one for about $5k USD that came with a 48V converter as well....pity it topped out around 7 psi :/ was pretty universal though, they supply a bunch of pulleys and belts and you source the piping
That money pit animation remains awesome and deserves continued use, I'd say.
*throws header in yard* “My hose”😂😂
As a non native-speaker, I didn’t get it. What’s funny about this?
@@rasecoaoj he throws the header and it landed on his water hose at the lawn.
header = heavy, big
water hose = small, fragile
he's saying "my hose" as he's afraid that it might have damage his hose because of his action
@@rasecoaoj he just threw a 95 miata header on his yard and was worried about the damage to his garden hose that it landed on, instead of the 95 miata header he threw on his lawn
not his hose
"you gotta justify the stuff somehow"-a wise man 2020
I liked the math to get 4 HP.
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Thank you cus I was lowkey looking at it
Want a cool cheapish watch? Seiko 5, mine got me hooked on watches.
Yes, id say get an automatic watch from a reputable brand like Seiko, that's actually worth the money
Yup, Vincero is just a company that sources cheap parts and up sells a $20 grocery store watch for more than $100 bucks. Any watch in the $100+ range should be a proper automatic or at least a very good quartz. Skip the chinese crap bc Seiko/Orient or Citizen make good entry level mechanical watches for $100.
Things heating up in the watches community
The stock manifold looked to flow pretty well honestly, if you put headers and exhaust on something like my 96 civic there would probably be pretty noticeable gains due to the horribly flowing exhaust on it 🤷🏼♂️
Can I just say Money pit, hi low, and up to speed are my favorite series on this channel and how I’ve learned so much about cars on this channel and watching zack pimp out The Miata and how this channel has Such a fun audience and I love all the hosts for all the different series but I do be missing Science garage and I still want an up to speed on James dad
It sounds way better with the new header and that was worth it to me. Finding a few more horses in the pen is always a bonus! Great video, good job!
Gotta admit, the factory Mazda header looked pretty close to the new one. Maybe if you started out with the old style cast iron log, you gain a lot more.
yea i had a cast and once i got new headers gained about 11hp, not expecting that much of a difference lmaoo
That’s what I was thinking. Plus he also has stock heads and stock intake right? I figure you can only gain so much here with this configuration
Headers are better than the iron log just for a weight savings advantage..
Great video. I'm going to replace my headers with shorties because the originals are all rusted out anyway. Glad to know it will give a little hp. My fav part of the video is the "The Thing" music playing in the background.
Who herd clarckson say "on that bombshell" 😂
Did you tune it? I feel like changing hardware without a tune is almost pointless
i think it's OBD1
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe that's the next episode "Is tuning your car worth it?"
You can't tune the standard mazda ecus.
Megasquirt is the answer, doesnt look lien they tuned it. I'm sure the next 10 ponies are hiding there
You don't have to tune it to get gains but they will be small and a tune will compound them. I would say the intake and the rest of the exhaust has already helped a bit. I would say starting stock at 100hp at the hubs and now 107hp is a good gain from better flow with no tune
"you just have to justify the costs.." every time
Tell that to congress and our army
Nathan Brame you just had to bruh
So glad I subscribed to this channel! Between this channel and the Scotty Kilmer 1 I feel like I’m damn near a mechanic with all the knowledge I’ve been getting here & there 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
zit depends on what you are driving and what you are expecting....I was happy I did it with my old 99 TL 3.2 V6 Vtec. it sounded great and I also had an Ebay air intake with a k&n filter. OEM style cat, 2" resonator then Y piped to a 2.25" straight pipes to rear bumper with chrome tips. Give it better response a better mid to high rpm power and I was really glad I did it. I should do a j swap civic or integra
Should I swap the headers on my ‘14 v6? It’s stock but handles everything I throw at it perfectly. Only thing I can’t do is beat supercars 😢
@@PXRTYPXN444 I would recommend it on the V6. it sounds great and the gains are fun
@@boostjunkie2320 bettt and what will I need to tune the car so I can run them?
@@PXRTYPXN444 You don't need a tune to run them unless you are running FBO and looking for max power
@@boostjunkie2320 ohh Igu thanks 🙏
“Now that we got it all hot, let’s go touch it!” Killed me😂
The 3 P's of exhaust work: Patience, Persistence, and Penetrating oil.
The MOST important thing to do when you change the airflow of any vehicle is to TUNE IT. Just adding headers, exhaust, and intake arent really going to gain you anything without a tune.
Yep. You may be getting more air in but not much point without telling the engine it can now also spray in more fuel aswel
Depends on the year and complexity of the ECU as well. Older setups can make gains without fine tuning, but youll allways make the most of what you do with a little fiddling.
Yep agreed. The Miata has a new engine map and will need to be tuned to reflect that
Nah, maf and o2 sensors will adapt. The header just straight up didnt make any power.
They did need to tune the car because the header & the intake were changed from the factory configuration. They really should have put a real CAI on. If they tuned the car with that setup, it would have probably gained 5-7 hp realistically.
This video was released during the pandemic. I remember because I was watching this while I was so sick with Covid.
I guess changing the headers might make more of a difference in other cars. The stock ones seemed like they were pretty decent.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Very nice factory exhaust manifold.
Stock exhaust systems are designed to have zero back pressure at stock power so there really is no added performance until you are flowing more air than stock.
Stock exhaust systems are designed to have zero back pressure at stock power so there really is no added performance until you are flowing more air than stock.
Stock exhaust systems are designed to have zero back pressure at stock power so there really is no added performance until you are flowing more air than stock.
Stock exhaust systems are designed to have zero back pressure at stock power so there really is no added performance until you are flowing more air than stock.
I think the factory headers have a good flow so that's why you don't gain that much
I think factory intake had better flow than this Hot Air Intake :D
Would assume they've pretty much optimized the original ones for the stock engine to begin with. But i guess this could be called a success since there was no reduction in power with the new headers. Unless low end torque suffered making it worse to drive in normal conditions. I would call this plain dumb if you have to spend $400 and a half day for basically nothing, or possibly making it worse. Denying that this wasn't worth it is just human nature to make you'r self feel a little less of a fool.
More usable mid range power and a higher rev..it’s not all about peak hp numbers kiddo..proof positive as to how learning how to read a dyno graph would be very beneficial 😂
this is true, however if you take the e46 330i, those headers are stamped steel and are horibly restrictive. headers see a claimed 25 hp increase.
Yeah how much power you gain with headers heavily depends on the stock manifold
3:44 “Now that we got it nice and hot, that’s go touch it.”😂😂
It's actually not a bad idea to loosen an exhaust manifold on a hot engine if you can avoid getting burned.
The engine needs tuning for the header, intake and exhaust
That's what I was thinking! Maybe next video?
My thoughts exactly. Wouldn't be overly surprised if there were an extra 10-15 hrsprs hiding in there somewhere.
“If we say how good they look is worth 1 hp then baby we’re right on track”
The ricer motto