To be honest, homophobia seems like a croissant but isn't. There are many layers until you realise that there aren't layers at all, just one flat layer of stupidity.
Im a social behavioral sciences major. It's more akin to a croissant than a flat surface. Jamie is right There are, psychologically speaking, layers and complexities to things like Transphobia, homophobia, racism, antisemitism, etc.
@@goldenapplesaga5446 i meant the fact that many of these layers are repetitive and their reasonings aren't that layered. Peeling back their logic shows hows they just tend to parrot the same narrative consistently, which is just consistently dumb. I hope that makes sense :). I wasn't trying to address their psyche, just the way they go about it. Edit to say, i do agree psychologically speaking there are layers, and you have a major in the subject so I'm not trying to disagree with you. Just trying to explain what I meant :)
That's how a lot of family members react when people come out like we can't call them homophobic but they can call us every slur in the book it's the double standard
@@N_IRL your religion does not centre around the entirety of earth. Homosexuality is only a sin because people paid to have it translate that way. Hating homosexuality for being a sin is still homophobic. If that is truly what you believe, perhaps God isn't so loving after all.
for the bathing suit one, that's Walt Masterson. He goes to Trump rallies, pretends to be one of them, and makes a fool out of every conservative he meets.
@@hadleyphillips-seatter5975 be safe!! Walt is able to do it because he's a white man who blends in with hate groups. Still, he's been nearly assaulted many different times. It's great work but incredibly sketch
The whole “hate the sin, not the sinner” thing is gross because you don’t love someone if you don’t believe they can live their lives as their full selves without going to hell or offending your deity. That’s not love.
It also equates gay love to horrible things like lying, stealing, and killing. They're all "sins", so you holding hands or kissing the person you love for years is the same thing as murder, to these people.
Yeah, "hate the sin, not the sinner" doesn't really work when the "sin" is an identity, because in that case, hating one is equivalent to hating the other. That's really a problem of insisting that some identities are sins though. 🤔
The other issue is that "love the sinner, hate the sin" is found nowhere in the Bible. Throughout scripture, the sinner is very much equated with the sin, and punished accordingly. They just repeat the saying to make themselves feel better about believing that. At the end of the day, they still think being gay is "immoral" and will let that belief influence how they treat others.
And do they stand by the 'hate the sin, not the sinner' rhetoric when it comes to actual sins like rape, murder, paedophilia etc? I doubt it. They're just lamely trying to justify their bigotry
Honestly, it sounds like she might have some mental health issues and I hope that she can get some genuine help and support, as well as learn to accept herself.
"I have nothing against the lgbt, I just don't support them" has the same air as "I don't wanna say anything unpopular but some people don't deserve rights".
"You can't be gay because I think it's a sin" sounds like "You can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet" (I know this example has been used lots of times, but it's still relevant)
@@galaxychill9578In some Christian's minds, those who are gay will go to hell like those who practice any other sin. So imagine the phrase like "You can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet and if you're not on the same diet as me you'll go to hell forever" Sure, I don't agree with homophobic Christians, but I can walk at least a foot in their shoes (instead of a mile)
Speaking as a former fundie, the "hate the sin, love the sinner" attitude is a performative aspect of the "holier than thou" attitude. They get to condemn homosexuality as a sin while still claiming to love and support the person, of course part of this love is hoping that they will stop sinning in order to save their eternal soul. To be fair, it can feel very genuine when you are in the mindset. What could be more an act of love than saving someone from hell? Thankfully I grew up and got away from the bull, can only hope the younger people do the same.
19:27 The interviewer in that video is Walter Masterson. He is a TH-camr who likes to troll right wingers and bigots in public. He often goes to right wing rallies and pretends to be an over-the-top supporter to make fun of their cause. His videos are comedic political satire.
He does great work. What he's doing becomes more apparent when you see him saying the same things to different people, I think. You can tell he's trying to draw out what they're actually thinking & think now it's safe to say. The way he kept pressing the thing about his daughter's "dance routine" involving being on a pole was brilliant. Those guys didn't even bat an eyelid...of course an 8-year-old girl would be pole dancing...apparently in their world??? Yikes. I wonder if he did get anyone to question him on that - I assume he would include it if he did!
@@rowanrobbins It's okay. Us bisexuals are demons and we know it. That's why we're in all the vampire movies, influencing kids to become bisex vampire demons as well 🤣 Because it's eh... cool to ehm... explode in sunlight? 🤣 I'll have to think that one through some more I think 🤣 I'm not religious or conservative, I don't know how this cognitive dissonance thing works exactly.
The problem with "I don't support but I love them" is that they clearly think LGBTQ identities are a choice. That's why they lump it in with beer, sex outside of marriage, etc. They think it's just another lifestyle choice, so their thought process is "I don't think people should do that, but I still love them even if they *choose* to". Being raised in a Christian family, I've been told the narrative that we should love gay people, but it's best for them if they *choose* to not have relationships. It's some pretty disgusting stuff
Well to them being closeted and repressing our queerness is what we should be doing. Being openly and "actively" queer is hurting no one - except their feelings and ego, which is their problem (not ours) as they're not the ones in the relationship or living in the meatsuit. Literally doesn't matter if it's a choice or not otherwise they'd go even harder in harassing bi/pan ppl or genderfluid ppl who *can* pick their gender, as it implies being queer is an undesirable/harmful option.
What's so stupid is that even if having an LGBTQ+ were a choice (which it isn't), there is still the whole "love thy neighbour" and "thou shalt not judge." Does that not mean loving the person whether you agree or not and not judging them because that ain't your job? Treat others as you would like to be treated, aka show them kindness and acceptance whether you understand them or not.
@@horrificabomination So... According to their beliefs having certain thoughts is a sin, it doesn't matter if you act on them. So to them being gay, living and dying in the closet, and never pursuing a romantic or sexual relationship with someone of the same sex is a sinful life. There's maybe a technicality like you have think about gay sex at least one time.
@@bleepbloop101010101 Meh. They can think whatever noise they want. Got no right to stop me being as queer and open about it as I want. My rights matter more than their beliefs that I shouldn't have those rights respected. They could've probably gotten away doing w that when religion was king or in the 50s in North America. But now? No. No right to harass ppl with that shit. They may have the ability if the person is dependent on stuck w them or if they live in a country where it's illegal to be queer. But that's still stepping on and ignoring ppl's rights AND being cruel otherwise.
@@horrificabomination Right? That one woman talked about how it's not hurting anyone but YOU, and God's trying to save you from yourself...but she doesn't make any argument, compelling or not, as to why being LGBTQIA+ is hurting yourself, other than vague references to demons. I'm ace, & I'll say genderqueer, what in the 90s we called "androgynous;" but IME, my friends who were closeted due to religion were miserable until they came out & started living authentically - that's when they were able to really live their lives, often only then figuring out what they wanted to do in life, and accomplishing it, etc. They're all SO much happier now, whether they remain Christian or not. If God doesn't want us harming ourselves, then evidently, God wants us to be out, not closeted, not in denial, and certainly not trying to be other than who we are!
Another common one is " I'm not homophobic, but my son would never be gay" or " but not my son" or "not in my house" . I've had men literally joke about disowning their children and still claim to not be homophobic.
I remember one time I was talking to a friend at work and she said “I have no prejudice but why do they have to do that in public? Can’t they just kiss at home?” I asked her if she would feel the same way seeing a straight couple and she said no. I said that that means she does have a prejudice and she just said “oh, I guess I do”. I have no idea how she feels nowadays but I think is important to show when someone is being homophobic because that way they can choose if they want to be homophobic or if they just had it implanted in them and want to change now
A lot of times they think they're not prejudiced because they don't see their behavior towards individual people as discriminatory. What you pointed out to them is essentially that in privileging cishet relationships, they're measuring individuals by that standard rather than by the standard of what that person's reality actually is. People do this with race all the time, too. Essentially, if they were self-aware and honest, their "I'm not prejudiced" really means, "I let individual BIPOCs prove they're really white, & if they are, I'll accept their presence/tolerate them/befriend them [varies w/the whit person] but that outgroup they come from is unacceptable."
as someone with a mother who lives by "being gay is a sin but i still love you"; she believes it's a lifestyle. she believes it IS a choice and wont hear otherwise and its beyond frustrating.
same, im trans and bi and my dear mother believes that i chose to do this for attention and to be "cool", and that she can talk out my queerness-? idk, but stay strong and u'll be ok!
When I was growing up in my mother's church there was a saying I heard said often by older women: "Love the sinner, hate the sin." They used it to make other people feel small and themselves morally superior.
Right they act like their religious beliefs are innate to them and not an active choice to be part of the religion but somehow our sexuality and sexual identity is a lifestyle and choice because they don't "agree" with our existence basically.
Honestly true. They hate you but fear for their immortal souls so they'll twist and bend and weaponize and justify any cruelty or act against you so they can still feel like good people. It's scary
@@NeonJ1 No because Jewish and Islamic people aren't afraid to just say they hate you. They don't hide behind that "hate the sin love the sinner" nonsense.
Period. The correlation in my family between the level of religiosity and being hateful and judgmental towards others is a great example of this. The more religious family members are going around doing the most horrendous things to people(they are not even queer so it's not just queerphobia but hatred of anybody)that are around them like gossiping to their employer about a colleague that is supposed to be her friend and whom she knew had just lost her husband,became a single mother and had a sick mother to care for. Guess what she did? She was able to make that poor woman lose her job and she did that because she thought that that woman(reminder,they are supposed to be friends who go to religious meetings together)was distracted at work(i wonder why she is,maybe it's the grief of her husband and the burden of raising a child and taking care of a sick mom)so she thought that it would serve as a lesson to her(here comes the holier than thou,trying to show love and care Christian way of thinking)by making her lose her only source of income😃. I wish i was joking but this woman thinks she is going to heaven(and not us sinners who don't pray)because she prays five times a day and watches the mass and recites rosaries as often as she can while also going around ruining people's lives.
When my very Republican and Catholic step dad saw me in a rainbow "Love" shirt he got super excited and ran upstairs. He came down in a Bud Light shirt and told me "We match!" It was super wholesome.❤
Question. How does he reconcile voting for politicians who are explicitly anti-LGBTQ with love and acceptance for queer folk? (Assuming by "Republican" you mean someone at least moderately politically active/voting for GOP.)
@@CorwinFound generally people think the policies are "not that bad" and "not actually a danger to your safety" or maybe even "you're just one of the good ones"
@@CorwinFound as far as I know (he became my step after I was already an adult) he identifies and is registered Republican but doesn't necessarily vote along party lines. He's a very thorough thoughtful person and I imagine that goes into his politics as it does every other part of his life. Edit: If it makes sense he definitely has the ideals that everybody deserves to live peacefully in a way that makes them happy. He was born and raised in Maine and is a product of his upbringing in a different era, but he tries. He tries more than a lot of liberal identifying people.
my dance teacher told me the other week one of her friends said to her, how come all your friends are either GAY or WEIRD? And she said: because I like people around me with a personality and a free spirit. I freely accept them all. She's more awesome than I thought :)
"Well, I don't hate the straights, I just don't support their lifestyle. I mean, if they want to do that, ok, just don't impose that on me and others, you know? Don't impose your lifestyle on others." I wonder if anyone has ever said that to straight people they know.
"ugh I saw a gay cupple on TV, stop imposing thatblifestilebon me" Meanwhile, every kid before modern times seeing 1000000000s of only str8 characters.....
The whole “I don’t support it, but I still love people” shtick just seems like “I want to be against your existence as you are, but I also don’t want to deal with any consequences for that”.
The whole "I respect it, I just don't support it" thing honestly feels really condescending to me. Maybe it's just me reading too far into it, but whenever someone says that it sounds like they're implying they're being so charitable by not actively spreading hate to someone that they view as below them. It's quite literally a holier-than-thou attitude.
It's them finding loopholes to try and not piss anyone off but appeal more to the people the "vibe with" and phrase it in such a way where if anyone calls them out, they are wrong
My mother once ranted for ten minutes about how the gays are all ped 0 files and the transgenders are all mur der ers and at some point towards the end she said, with the smuggest expression on her ugly mug, "now, of course I don't think we should KILL them" like she was the most gracious, generous, benevolent human on the entire planet
It definitely is condescending. They probably think "sure go be queer but I KNOW the truth. And the truth is you are going to HELL BECAUSE OF YOUR LIFESTYLE CHOICE!". Like speaking to a child or someone delusional that doesn't know better. It has the same energy as "bless your heart",they genuinely think that you are stupid and that they have knowledge that you don't possess and are making better life decisions than you. And that my friend is the Christian love mixed with hypocrisy and contempt.
5:29 - The classic "love the sinner, hate the sin." It means, "I'm going to love you but also remind you that you're going to hell and you need Jesus to save you and that sounds harsh but really, I love and care for you, I promise." Heard it all the time in Kansas, especially during my time at uni.
"I love my idea of you but I don't care for you, actually, so I'll keep making you miserable by reminding you that I don't actually care for you even though you cause no real harm to anyone or thing but my ego and god."
That's not even what the saying means in the first place. You are supposed to let go stuff if it isn't related to legal jurisdiction, "love the sinner" means not harrasing them. But the darker side is "hate the sin" , which means hiding it
@@minestar2247 Eh, that's how it was used when I was growing up because all the Christians explained it like that. But that's more semantics, and I don't want to argue when the sentiment is the same.
@@horrificabomination I love when they say, "You don't know what's best for you." Heard that a lot growing up... and when I got onto antidepressants, because according to my mother I no longer talk to, I was poisoning myself. Like, okay, I'm going to kick the bucket either way, but at least my brain can function until I do.
The interviewer at 19:27 is Walter Masterson, he's hilarious! He pretends to agree with Republicans so that they'll admit the horrible/illogical things they believe
I love Walter Masterson's work, he is one thousand percent trolling. The Rainbow Bikini bit is a bit more subtle than some of his other stuff. He's gone to abortion rallies and offered people raw cake ingredients, shouting "I baked you a cake", gone to school meetings to call out the moms for liberty, called out police brutality, and visited Nex Benedict's school where he delivered a speech mocking the school system and the governor who called LGBTQ+ people filth. Some of his bits involve "going undercover", and asking Trumpers ridiculous questions that they inevitably answer with similar if not the same answers and reactions. He's also done a few collaborations with Crackhead Barney, one of which had them discussing how long it typically takes for them to get arrested. He's said a few time that trolling the alt right with comedy is his personal form of peaceful protest.
I used to have a friend who would regularly say "I just don't believe that you should be able to just change your gender" and then would just ignore me when I tried explaining that gender is a spectrum.
i cant change my gender, and it happens not to align with my secondary sex characteristics. society expects me to perform the gender that matches my secondary sex characteristics, or put another way: to change my gender for their comfort. i tried and it’s not working. so yes you can’t change your gender, only explain it to others who assume the wrong one
20:55 pretty sure "fell off the pole" was bait and the interviewer was doing an undercover sort of thing. And predictably they never even flinched at the concept of course.
I immediately went searching in the comments when I heard that. The bikini thing and then the mention of dancing on a pole definitely put "baiting" in my head but no one he interviewed even thought twice about it 💀💀 but wearing a rainbow is too inappropriate
@@makeinubaka British Jordan Klepper (or maybe he's our Walter Masterson) got it. I thought he looked familiar but I've only seen that fellow once before.
Walter Masterson is awesome. I love his videos trolling the pro forced birthers and ignorant phobes. Most of the time, they aren't smart enough to realize he's making a fool of them.
the “how i found out homosexuality is a sin” girl is genuinely unwell. she is clearly having some issues with reality and may be having a mental break or dealing with some sort of mental health issue. if she truly believes a WARLOCK is the reason for queerness i really don’t even know how to explain or argue with her. this is not rooted in reality whatsoever. i find it extremely sad the lengths she has to go to convince herself that this is the truth. it sounds like the church she is going too is rooted in this delusion as well so it must be difficult to extract herself from the situation. i genuinely hope she finds help before wasting her life believing these delusions. i do hope that no one in her comments was caught in a vulnerable state and agreed with what she was saying. god this is just really sad and hard to watch
I'd seen that clip on The Antibot's channel a couple weeks ago and felt so bad for her. It just got more and more disturbing as the video went on. I sincerely hope that her video received so many responses from people expressing genuine concern that she started to question her perception of reality and reached out for professional help.
Shame, in my humble opinion, is maybe the most powerful and destructive emotion we can experience. We will do almost anything to avoid it. Including believing a warlock put a gay demon inside you as a child. Cognitive dissonance paired with shame can create truly sick and personally dangerous results.
She also ties it directly with childhood trauma, which makes me think she tried to blame her sexuality for that trauma and has made tons of mental gymnastics to build a narrative which fits that conclusion. She looks desperate
Queer Christian with a theology degree here: If we want to look at why being queer ISN'T a sin, we need to do a few things, starting with the division of the Old and New Testaments. Jesus dies for our sin in the gospels, and fulfills the law. That's why we no longer have food laws, or laws about how to shave, or how to make appropriate sacrifices in the Temple. Laws in the Bible are divided into a few categories: 1. Cleanliness These are our sacrifices and our hand washing rituals. We no longer follow them, as they were dealt with on the cross. 2. Set Apart These are our instructions on what fabric to wear, what festivals to celebrate, sexual relationships, and how to cut our hair. We do not follow these, as they were paid for on the cross. 3. Honour God These are our laws against blasphemy, and disrespect towards God. We do follow those, out of our love for God. 4. Do not harm Do not murder, do not lie, do not commit adultery, give to the poor. We follow these laws, as they are moral issues that are not fulfilled in the cross. As same sex attraction doesn't fall into a harm or dishonouring category, we know it is okay. The context of the New Testament needs to be understood to deal with the times there it discusses same sex attraction. Namely, that it doesn't. It labels same sex intercourse. 1. Same homosexual relationships were very often related to worship in the temple of Artemis. So, don't go to the temple. 2. They were often between a man and a young boy, so obviously that wasn't okay. 3. They were always unmarried, which wasn't allowed. Conclusion: Christians should support same sex couples, and encourage marriage between them, because it's literally just the sex outside of marriage that is a sin, and even then, that was mostly to lessen the spread of disease, so, take that as you will. God bless, and happy Pride! 😊
I know this is one theological perspective that is very common in a lot of more progressive churches. But as a sorta queer (ace, genderqueer) person with theology degrees, I'm a little more heterodox. I don't believe Jesus died for anyone's sins; I don't see how that could be compatible with who we believe God to be & what Jesus said God is like. I believe Jesus was killed by Empire (as a "principality" or "power," i.e. an emergent property of human culture that seems to be bigger than the sum of us all). I also don't like contrasting the Hebrew & Christian testaments; I don't see a change in how God relates to the world, only a development of human thought for a particular group that emerged from Second Temple era Judaism. Sadly, once separated from its Jewish roots, Christianity pretty quickly aligned itself with Empire, and I think that's where so many of the harmful, toxic beliefs of Christian history came from. Those beliefs & practices are so clearly antithetical to what the Gospels and Acts try to show us with their repudiation of wealth & power in favor of radical inclusion into a covenanted community.
@@j.apenrose7896 so im guessing your saying that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 law is fulfilled? Weird, so then that implies the rules to inherent the kingdom of God changed when jesus died? 😑
@@krispycookez Bud, prior to Jesus's death, the way you inherited the kingdom of Heaven was to be Jewish. Jesus came to allow us to dwell with Him, Gentile and Jew alike. As for the passage referenced, I hope you read verse 11.
"I love you as a person, but I don't support black people" "I respect you but I can't support your decision of suddenly getting hit by a drunk driver and becoming paralysed from the waste down" "I love and respect you but Jesus doesn't support you choosing to become diabetic"
At least they recognize “hate the sin, love the sinner” is basically an indicator of religious bigotry. I mean, it means nothing since you can always reword it, but at least they recognize those words have been poisoned.
Jamie, as a trans person living in Utah, they think that you can get into heaven if your gay IF you don't act on it. "Oh i like gay people, i just don't think they should get married" gets said alot
A very weird concept if it impacts law cuz, ya know, not every religion is against it and not every person is religious anyway. It's not like making gay marriage legal will make str8 or Christian marriage illegal
@@Rubymagicalgirl88 im pretty sure is that her personal dates were locked (power to her) but they couldn't free up dates to let her do work, so she couldn't work on it
@bookswithike3256 if she's that important to the show they could get another actor. It sucks but they wouldn't have to cut out important character development then
I’m a heterosexual female, and I’ve been really adoring your content over the past cpl days. You’re honestly great. You educate with such understanding and grace and really try to understand everyone’s opinion. You and your partner are such a beautiful couple. Thank you for helping me be a better person. Looking forward to learning and laughing with you! ❤️
I reckon these idiots think they should be praised for not wanting us unalived. It's like... I don't support you, I don't agree with you, but I'm ok with you living. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
My Dad was like that with black people. He kept telling me I dont want them to die or bad things happen to them, I just dont want them living in my country. Hmm covert racism?
My mother unironically thinks this. Like no exaggeration, she thinks that her NOT wanting the death penalty for queer people is sooooooooo benevolent, you should've seen her face when she said that k1lling gay people is bad. Btw, she said that after ranting for like ten minutes about how the gays are all ped 0 files and the transgenders are all mur der ers
They equate gay love to lying, stealing, and killing. They're all "sins", so they think you holding hands with the person you love for years is the same as murder.
19:49 oh no, Jamie! This is Walter Masterson, he's... A satirical non-reporter? Activist? Comedian? Idk how to describe him actually, but the thing about a 4th grader (9-10 yr old) beauty pageant is made up because he's trying to catch conservatives in hypocricies He does actually have a very moving speech in front of a school board regarding bullying of youth leading to dire circumstances and it's probably his least satirical work
And if the rattlesnake says “I wish I had hands so I could hug you like a man” It is YOUR job as a cactus to say “but don’t you understand, my skin is covered with sharp spikes that’ll stab you like a thousand knives, a hug would be nice but hug my flower with your eyes.”
@@N_IRL And marry her! Because she's damaged goods now & no man will want her, so you have to take care of her, and who cares how she feels about any of it.
@Sandra-wy2nt also "being gay is fine-God still loves them-but _acting_ on it is a sin!", saying gay love can never be as good as straight love. To them, gay people are on a lower level. "Stay alone forever, or else you're a sinner-on the same level as a thief, liar, or killer!"... In what way is that "love"?
@@katyungodly actually, acting on straightness is as much a sin, it's just that your societies normalised it to the point it seems unfair(the marriage part is unfair though)
@@NeonJ1It's certain people who twist religion to put others down who are part of homophobic organisations. I found out LGBTQ-friendly churches exist! :D
@NeonJ1 Christianity is a religion, not an organization? There are Christian organizations (a lot of which are homophobic) but Christianity itself is not homophobic nor an organization. -From an ex-Christian trans man.
@@Milo-hp9fw It’s all ran through an organization. If you go to church you support phobes, if you talk about it, you support phobes. The leaders of the sects are phobes. Also, why is it that people who believe in a make belief sky daddy get a pass. They should be committed.
Yep, he created people. So there is no way to think that the lgbtq are "unnatural" or "demonic", they're just build different, kinda like left handed people
22:50 The concept that sins are bad not because they hurt others but because they hurt yourself is so wild. It implies that if it weren't for the fact that these actions had personal ramifications, people like this would hurt others without remorse. Seriously, that's like saying murder is bad not because it destroys peoples' lives, but because then you won't be allowed in heaven! :,( complete lack of empathy.
Sin should be both, avoiding hurting others and self. Focusing only on either is bad. A lot of Christian weirdos will even go so far as to say "just being a good person isn't good enough, but believing in God is" literally saying that good people won't go to heaven but bad ppl can as long as they pay 5 bucks to the church and say "sowy I muwded billions uwu 👉👈" And fr, ppl are eating shellfish, wearing different fabric clothes, and I doubt all of them avoid eating meat 40 days before easter, if they can make exceptions for all those minor rules, they can make one more exception
In all instances I've encountered with this, especially having grown up in the church, "support" is akin to enabling. Being LGBT is seen as an illness or disorder, so they still "love" and "accept" you, since you can't help being afflicted with this terrible thing, and they'll pray for you to overcome your struggle. I've heard a lot that you can be LGBT, but it's sinful to act on it, "hate the sin, love the sinner". If you vote for equality and give access to resources for LGBT people, it's looked at like you're giving beer to an alcoholic. It should be discouraged and they just want to help you "get better".
Ah, yes, understandable. I’ll just stop being a bi trans man and instead become a totally celibate nun instead of following what’s natural and being happy because those people have bad opinions… 💀
Yes, this is it. I was thinking earlier when I was doing similar translations above that ironically I might have that "gift of interpretation" they talked about in the Pentecostal churches I grew up in, lol. Seriously, though, it's hard for people who haven't been in those contexts to understand the lingo. Your comparison to enabling an addiction is perfect, though. I wish I'd thought of putting it that way. So succinct & most people understand that concept.
6:02 the “hate the sin, hate the sinner” mindset is so violent IMO because people that think that, that is an acceptable perspective use it as a means of “evangelizing” to others while simultaneously dismissing the humanity of the person they’re talking about.
I knew someone who was "suffering from same sex attraction" and in a church, he was the saddest man I ever met. He became a school chaplain and then self exited. I was so angry the church and the school allowed him to seek that position.
19:27 the guy doing the interview is walter masterson. he makes lots of videos trolling and satirizing conservatives and disrupting their protests. his videos are pretty funny imo
some one said that he was not homophobic when he said "i don't want gay people in tv shows" because he was not bullying gay people he just wants to ignore gay people.
Whenever someone says, "I don't support the LGBTQ community but I'm not homophobic," my response is, "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." People who claim to be apolitical are not being nuanced. They are saying they're absolutely fine with the status quo of systemic oppression, or it doesn't affect them so they never cared enough to look into it. They would sit idly by while the world burns.
Astro projecting warlocks?! Either this girl is a bad conartist or mentally unwell. The second is sad and she needs to talk to someone. I worry about her.
i agree, it’s really worrisome. i wonder if she’s in some type of psychosis after hearing her talk about the gay demon walking away from the man in her church
Pentecostal expressions of Christianity have a lot more to do with traditional religions than Pentecostals would ever want to recognize. All that demon talk is imported from other traditions & translated into Christian idioms. (I.e., the original traditional religions might reference spirits of ancestors or minor deities, which Christians would interpret as demons b/c that's the concept available to them in their religion.) This may not be what's going on here, but I just want to say certain cultural contexts will have different ways of interpreting reality than the typical Western, scientific template/lens would do. That's not to say I think it's all good; it's just I think there's more to it than psychosis or whatever, & we should remember how deeply enmeshed the Enlightenment was with white supremacy & colonialism & how much we need to deconstruct those elements of our own received tradition/way of seeing.
Some people are just mindless bigots. They just hate someone who is not the "norm" (aka neurotypical cis hetero white man as the "norm") Once they get rid of the group they're hating on, they'll start hating the next, and the next, and the next. It's a violent cycle of hate, which only has two steps: hate, and get results.
@KrimsonKattYT You do not know how much I AGREE with you it is insane how much hate the furry community gets for NO REASON because a VERY SMALL amount of people were ped0philic, or z0ophilic, and acted weird Which is about the same as saying "all people are horrible for some of them doing crimes" and I hate that other communities are viewed in the same way including LGBT+ it seriously sucks
The person talking about the beauty pageant for fourth graders (around 19:45) actually goes to rallies and such and trolls people. His channel is Walter Masterson!
“Hey uh.. I read like, a really old book and it says you are going to go to hell and burn and suffer eternally if you keep doing something you can’t help. Anyways much love to the community!”
6:57 As a Bisexual Christian, yeah! That is basically what it is! You can be gay.. your sexuality is valid, and real.. but because it's not a part of God's natural design, you can't have a same-sex relationship. HOWEVER... we wouldn't condemn anybody who is in a same-sex relationship, because their relationship is valid. It's basically like "I wouldn't do it personally, but I'm not going to judge someone else who choses to have that relationship".
at 24:06 she says that it's a sin and she read all the translations but in the original text it says to being a pdf file is and it was changed in 1946 to fit the homophobic views of the catholic church
20:00 this guy is trolling, he once dressed up in a bud light suit and complained that the woke people were ruining the world so he couldn’t “take his daughters to hooters anymore” it’s honestly pretty hilarious
i love your commentary on the "lgbt+ identities are wrong/sinful/something i don't support, but i still love you" rhetoric. my family is super religious and very anti-lgbt, so i heard that a lot in my youth, and it's so foolish.
Queer Christian here. The whole "I can't support you but I love you" thing is the biggest reason I fear coming out. Its like what do you mean. Would you not support me if someone hurt me because I was gay? You would if someone hurt me for anyone other reason. So do you love me or do you love the parts of me you're ok with? It just makes me sad that the second one could be the truth
It's true. They would be sympathetic about you getting hurt but would say to you or to others that it was your own fault for getting hurt. Such people often believe that if something bad happens to you then it's because you deserved it, or you were being tested, or punished. Best not to put your hopes on them being by your side if you need help. There are accepting churches, that allow you to worship without being judgemental.
@@elaexplorer sadly it's more likely they would pretend to be sympathetic about it. When I was 14 and didn't even know trans people existed (let alone that I was trans) I had a woman come into the bathroom and demand to see my genitals because somehow I was making her uncomfortable despite her entering after I washed my hands. When I refused she called me a ped0phile. But half the times I talk about it someone blames me for her actions and demands to know what I did to her. Like what I did to her was...enter an empty bathroom, use the toilet, wash my hands, and started walking to the door to leave when she came in and demanded I drop my pants.
i wish you luck in finding a more accepting christian community, there are plenty out there who will accept you fully (as the good book says!) you don’t have to give up any part of your self to be accepted by people who have respect and love in their hearts. ❤
They can't say "I love you" and "I don't support you" at the same time. It is a confliction. You are so right, there is no 'but'. Either you support them or not.
I want to speak to the bible translating clarity issue that you bring up about 35:30 into the video from a Jewish perspective. I’m not familiar with the new testament, so I can’t say anything about that, but Jews read what Christians call the Old Testament in its original language, Hebrew. So I can say for sure that in the untranslated original language it is rarely clear and often self-contradictory. I can only imagine how translation into other languages, most of the time not from Hebrew, must aggravate that, because all translations are interpretations
Its basically fence sitting. "i'm uncomfortable with being called a bigot or a homophobe. I'm not racist and have never been the bad guy in this kind of situation before and i dont like it. So i want to distance myself from those who are more comfortable with their homophobia and bigotry by saying i still love members of the LGBTQ+ community but dont support them." Its the halfway situation where they realize there is a problem but they havent yet connected all the dots on where the problem is. I remember in the 90's (i realize these types are still out there) there was a large group of guys going "Im not gay. I have relationships with women, but only sex with men. I am never going to date a man" And pretty much everyone outside that group is going, um okay call it what you want but its not str8 and its at least bi. They were just uncomfortable identifying with the LGBT comunity. Eventually most of them moved on and either said yes i am bi or gay or whatever or went the other way and said they prayed it away or what have you or just stuck with DL lifestyle such as it is.
27:06 My heart cries out for all of these bigots' lack of knowledge about how terrible they are as people. They might as well just keep going: "I'm not transphobic, but..." "I'm not racist, but..." "I'm not xenophobic, but...", etc.
"my 10yo is participating in a bikini competition, but a girl in a rainbow costume RUINED everything, that was so inappropriate! My daughter almost fell off the pole she was dancing on! Absurd!" being so blind omg
9:05 I think Sanders Sides said it best, though it is a different context but still -- "Pushy is pushy. This faux flexible rhetoric you're using to "soften" your approach doesn't change your intentions. It just disguises them." It is a vastly different context, but I think it works quite well here.
The "practicing homosexual" is so stupid. And as an asexual it's slightly confusing. So if I don't sleep with people, am I a practicing asexual even though I don't practice anything?
I really don’t understand why people are afraid of other people who are more open minded, are confortable with being themselves and - personal opinion - understand better the concept of love and acceptance towards others 😅
This is why I don't step in these landmines with people. It's like they can't take back what they said and don't understand the harm they are doing. It's a new form of gaslighting.
20:00 The interviewer is describing something that didn't happen. Essentially, he talks to conservative people as if he were conservative and uses "examples" that are meant to test their limits, in hopes they understand the views they hold are nonsensical. Really funny stuff, but also kinda sad sometimes with how some respond positively to messed up "examples" he gives.
Before i even admitted to myself that i was bi, my grandmother said i had changed so much and was no longer her little granddaughter, she literally said "i don't like you, but o do love you because Jesus says i have to" only things that had changed were i had a boyfriend and i no longer considered becoming a nun as a potential "career" (becoming a librarian was always my top desired career)
Be a librarian if you can. That’s cooler for sure. Also I’m sorry your grandma sucks. If she doesn’t like gay people tho, ask for her opinions on fixed fabrics and shellfish. If she’s for those, let her know she’s a fucking hypocrite 🙃
@@skag_gully right? Like I get that she was going senile, but how can you call yourself a follower of Jesus if you think loving me because he says to is in any way what he meant? And also, TELLING me that you don't like me and only love me because you have to?? Very Jesus like. SMH
The impose the lifestyle on me argument is nuts. I’ve never had a gay person convince me I’m gay. But I have had various religious people try and convince me or convert me to their religion or beliefs. Pot calling the kettle black much.
20:47 I agree... Think this guy is trying to see how far bigotry can make some people ignore actually wrong things.... Ie little children's pageant, bathing suit judging, and pole dancing "daughter"😮
You should see the other one he did on the same video "My uncle is being arrested for free speech , ice cream truck confiscated , guns taken away , the children in his factories are now unemployed , and now he can't see his wife because she's under the age of 18"
23:05 "I used to suffer with same sex attraction" it's giving "I was diagnosed with gay at the age of three"💀💀 Edit: SHE DIDNT KNOW WHAT SIN WAS? THATS LIKE CHRISTIANITY FACT #2😭😭😭
This must be a grift, so ppl can use her and say "see, u can be cured, and see how they are brainwashing kids to not know what sin even is until it's too late"
Same-sex-sex ore being anything is not sin. Sin is what keep you from God! Quer-fobic people is spreading the message that cristianity is by definition quer-fobic and believing that keep queer people from God. God want all humans to love they and the homofobia and transfobia etc. of cristians is a big sin for that reason. /Cristian bi-cis-woman active in the church of Sweden
Yep. I like to troll transphobes with "I used to struggle with my gender, but ever since I accepted who I really am I became so much happier" because they'll think I accepted that I'm a cis man. I'm an afab demiguy. 😂💙
Child beauty pageants run rampant in the South. The age categories start with BABIES, and there is often a swim suit portion. The guy asking about his "daughter" being thrown off by another contestant in a rainbow bikini likes to go to Trump rallies and other gatherings of conservatives to ask similar questions. I recommend his channel.
I think that the first one is saying that not actively being an ally doesn't make you homophobic, but I'm not sure and it's very confusing. The word "support" in this case is very ambiguous, especially in the other videos.
no that's not what people mean when they say support lgbt people. they straight up think we shouldn't have rights but they aren't homophobic because the word offends them more then their bigotry.
nah, they're saying that they are homophobic but know it is considered a bad thing and they don't think they're a bad person so they don't want to be called with a word for "bad people", that's all
Sometimes you can just not support by not taking the fight when someone says something quer-fobic in your presens and that a sin. People do that alot but I am so bad at lying I most of the time don't do that sin. /Cristian swedish bi-cis-woman
As a cis and straight Latter-day Saint (or Mormon) myself, the level of homophobia and other anti-lgbtq bigotry ingrained so deeply in my church and theology hurts me deeply. Cis heteronormativity is unfortunately firmly embedded in the official doctrine of the church in such a way that it can be very difficult to even conceive of a version of the teachings that would fully accept it, although there are theologians and other interested people (such as myself) who have been trying to develop queer-friendly Mormon theology. I expect that eventually the leadership will cave to the truth that being LGBTQ isn’t a sin, but I don’t know if it will happen soon enough for me to be able to ethically remain a member of the church community that I love. If it’s any consolation, lgbtq allyship has grown dramatically within the church over the past few years and I hope and pray that this trend will only continue. Thank you for this excellent video and discussion!
As someone in the states, my thing I always say, if you'll vote in a way that removes rights or causes hardship for a group of people, you do not love them. You do not support them. You do not care about that person. Period. If you cared and loved someone you'd be morally consistent to ensure their well-being.
So I grew up in a conservative Christian family and was sent to Christian school K-12. What is meant by "hate the sin, love the sinner," ie, "I don't support you/your lifestyle but I love/care about you" is absolutely a NEW development in this religion (new like within the past several decades). It came about when people, like you said, Jaime, started to be called out on "You're not loving your neighbor/being kind." So they still DO think you're sinning. They still DO think you're going to burn in hell for eternity. They still DO (although they won't say it out loud) think you are Bad for society Will hurt/badly influence their children Should not have government protection for your rights Should not be allowed to marry Should not be allowed to adopt children Should not be allowed to choose the pronouns that suit you if THEY think they are "wrong pronouns" They don't love you. They are internally disgusted by your very existence but they have the presence of mind to understand that in modern society that does not go over well. They also don't want to get arrested or face consequences for hate speech/hate crimes. They WILL vote against you having any rights and they WILL say it's for your own good because they love you.
Yep. I've been told I'm a danger to children, accused of r*ping children, and accused of performing genital surgeries on trans toddlers...because I'm ace.
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Practising? No don't worry, ma'am, I'm a licensed professional Gay
Where did you get your licence?
@@Rose_HawI got mine from George Soros /s
To be fair, they call professionals "practitioners" who "practice" their trade haha
I know right? Certified since birth, ma'am.
that's a good one 😊
To be honest, homophobia seems like a croissant but isn't. There are many layers until you realise that there aren't layers at all, just one flat layer of stupidity.
So just like a turd?
good way to put it
Im a social behavioral sciences major. It's more akin to a croissant than a flat surface. Jamie is right
There are, psychologically speaking, layers and complexities to things like Transphobia, homophobia, racism, antisemitism, etc.
It's a crumpled snotty tissue, one layer but messy and disgusting
@@goldenapplesaga5446 i meant the fact that many of these layers are repetitive and their reasonings aren't that layered. Peeling back their logic shows hows they just tend to parrot the same narrative consistently, which is just consistently dumb. I hope that makes sense :). I wasn't trying to address their psyche, just the way they go about it.
Edit to say, i do agree psychologically speaking there are layers, and you have a major in the subject so I'm not trying to disagree with you. Just trying to explain what I meant :)
"I don't support you, but like, I'm not homophobic or anything. Just... Stay away, y'know?" - Stupidity, a small summery of homophobia.
Diet homophobia
@@Bunny_Billno… Why did I laugh at this for a solid 5 minutes… 😭
That's how a lot of family members react when people come out like we can't call them homophobic but they can call us every slur in the book it's the double standard
And don't forget: "Homophobia isn't a real thing, hating sin isn't a phobia!"
@@N_IRL your religion does not centre around the entirety of earth. Homosexuality is only a sin because people paid to have it translate that way. Hating homosexuality for being a sin is still homophobic.
If that is truly what you believe, perhaps God isn't so loving after all.
for the bathing suit one, that's Walt Masterson. He goes to Trump rallies, pretends to be one of them, and makes a fool out of every conservative he meets.
That’s something I want to do here in Canada
Actually I am going to do this
I love walt so much
@@hadleyphillips-seatter5975 be safe!! Walt is able to do it because he's a white man who blends in with hate groups. Still, he's been nearly assaulted many different times. It's great work but incredibly sketch
Oops sorry i just commented abt how what he said is so absurd
The fact that conversion therapy is still legal in the uk pisses me off
Wow, I always thought the uk was really accepting
I had no idea it was still legal here
New fear unlocked
That’s so fucked up
Ayo wut
In the past 10 years, the Uk was the most accepting place for LGBTQ+ people in Europe. Now it’s not even in the top 10.
The whole “hate the sin, not the sinner” thing is gross because you don’t love someone if you don’t believe they can live their lives as their full selves without going to hell or offending your deity. That’s not love.
It also equates gay love to horrible things like lying, stealing, and killing. They're all "sins", so you holding hands or kissing the person you love for years is the same thing as murder, to these people.
Yeah, "hate the sin, not the sinner" doesn't really work when the "sin" is an identity, because in that case, hating one is equivalent to hating the other. That's really a problem of insisting that some identities are sins though. 🤔
The other issue is that "love the sinner, hate the sin" is found nowhere in the Bible. Throughout scripture, the sinner is very much equated with the sin, and punished accordingly. They just repeat the saying to make themselves feel better about believing that. At the end of the day, they still think being gay is "immoral" and will let that belief influence how they treat others.
And do they stand by the 'hate the sin, not the sinner' rhetoric when it comes to actual sins like rape, murder, paedophilia etc? I doubt it. They're just lamely trying to justify their bigotry
"I don't hate you, I just hate that you exist and are happy..."
"I'm not demonizing it..." *explains how demons are to blame* Excuse me what?
Honestly, it sounds like she might have some mental health issues and I hope that she can get some genuine help and support, as well as learn to accept herself.
@_madniteI await the day I get a person that supportive in my life
I've seen that one before and it still cracked me up because she is literally demonizing it lmao
Literally came here to say the same thing 🤣 "*I'm* not demonizing it-- it *IS* demons!!" Lmao 26:25
@@daniellerains5733 -"and believe me, i know what demons feel like!" really added to her totally not demonizing it.
"I have nothing against the lgbt, I just don't support them" has the same air as "I don't wanna say anything unpopular but some people don't deserve rights".
Well, it depends on which people you're talking about
that’s literally the same statement
@@minestar2247 😨
I don’t support lgbt.
@@minestar2247 what people are you talking about then
"You can't be gay because I think it's a sin" sounds like "You can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet"
(I know this example has been used lots of times, but it's still relevant)
So basically, they want cookies and gay s*x, but they're restricting themselves?
unsurprisingly there are loads of silly people posting exactly that on the internet every day. main character syndrome is an epidemic
This is a bad comparison for a lot of reasons.
elaborate
@@galaxychill9578In some Christian's minds, those who are gay will go to hell like those who practice any other sin. So imagine the phrase like
"You can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet and if you're not on the same diet as me you'll go to hell forever"
Sure, I don't agree with homophobic Christians, but I can walk at least a foot in their shoes (instead of a mile)
Speaking as a former fundie, the "hate the sin, love the sinner" attitude is a performative aspect of the "holier than thou" attitude. They get to condemn homosexuality as a sin while still claiming to love and support the person, of course part of this love is hoping that they will stop sinning in order to save their eternal soul. To be fair, it can feel very genuine when you are in the mindset. What could be more an act of love than saving someone from hell? Thankfully I grew up and got away from the bull, can only hope the younger people do the same.
19:27 The interviewer in that video is Walter Masterson. He is a TH-camr who likes to troll right wingers and bigots in public. He often goes to right wing rallies and pretends to be an over-the-top supporter to make fun of their cause. His videos are comedic political satire.
You also really gotta love his use of words sometimes, always a rug pull in his phrasing.
Stumbling in Walther's videos in the wild is truly a gem
So glad someone mentioned this before I got here.
My gosh I found his tiktok and watched all of them once, he's incredible.
He does great work. What he's doing becomes more apparent when you see him saying the same things to different people, I think. You can tell he's trying to draw out what they're actually thinking & think now it's safe to say.
The way he kept pressing the thing about his daughter's "dance routine" involving being on a pole was brilliant. Those guys didn't even bat an eyelid...of course an 8-year-old girl would be pole dancing...apparently in their world??? Yikes. I wonder if he did get anyone to question him on that - I assume he would include it if he did!
"I'm not demonizing it. I'm just literally saying it's demonic."
@science_bear What? You know Jamie is Bi, right? Why come here and spread hate toward the Bi community?
@science_bear Really? Biphobia on a channel run by a bisexual person? You lost?
@@rowanrobbins It's okay. Us bisexuals are demons and we know it. That's why we're in all the vampire movies, influencing kids to become bisex vampire demons as well 🤣 Because it's eh... cool to ehm... explode in sunlight? 🤣
I'll have to think that one through some more I think 🤣 I'm not religious or conservative, I don't know how this cognitive dissonance thing works exactly.
@science_bear ????? There's shitty people regardless of identity or community. Your biphobia is showing 🤨
@science_bear You can miss me with that, bruh. I'm a bi woman in a lesbian marriage. Maybe don't, well, demonize the entire community.
The problem with "I don't support but I love them" is that they clearly think LGBTQ identities are a choice. That's why they lump it in with beer, sex outside of marriage, etc. They think it's just another lifestyle choice, so their thought process is "I don't think people should do that, but I still love them even if they *choose* to". Being raised in a Christian family, I've been told the narrative that we should love gay people, but it's best for them if they *choose* to not have relationships.
It's some pretty disgusting stuff
Well to them being closeted and repressing our queerness is what we should be doing. Being openly and "actively" queer is hurting no one - except their feelings and ego, which is their problem (not ours) as they're not the ones in the relationship or living in the meatsuit.
Literally doesn't matter if it's a choice or not otherwise they'd go even harder in harassing bi/pan ppl or genderfluid ppl who *can* pick their gender, as it implies being queer is an undesirable/harmful option.
What's so stupid is that even if having an LGBTQ+ were a choice (which it isn't), there is still the whole "love thy neighbour" and "thou shalt not judge." Does that not mean loving the person whether you agree or not and not judging them because that ain't your job? Treat others as you would like to be treated, aka show them kindness and acceptance whether you understand them or not.
@@horrificabomination So... According to their beliefs having certain thoughts is a sin, it doesn't matter if you act on them. So to them being gay, living and dying in the closet, and never pursuing a romantic or sexual relationship with someone of the same sex is a sinful life. There's maybe a technicality like you have think about gay sex at least one time.
@@bleepbloop101010101 Meh. They can think whatever noise they want. Got no right to stop me being as queer and open about it as I want. My rights matter more than their beliefs that I shouldn't have those rights respected. They could've probably gotten away doing w that when religion was king or in the 50s in North America. But now? No. No right to harass ppl with that shit. They may have the ability if the person is dependent on stuck w them or if they live in a country where it's illegal to be queer. But that's still stepping on and ignoring ppl's rights AND being cruel otherwise.
@@horrificabomination Right? That one woman talked about how it's not hurting anyone but YOU, and God's trying to save you from yourself...but she doesn't make any argument, compelling or not, as to why being LGBTQIA+ is hurting yourself, other than vague references to demons.
I'm ace, & I'll say genderqueer, what in the 90s we called "androgynous;" but IME, my friends who were closeted due to religion were miserable until they came out & started living authentically - that's when they were able to really live their lives, often only then figuring out what they wanted to do in life, and accomplishing it, etc. They're all SO much happier now, whether they remain Christian or not. If God doesn't want us harming ourselves, then evidently, God wants us to be out, not closeted, not in denial, and certainly not trying to be other than who we are!
Another common one is " I'm not homophobic, but my son would never be gay" or " but not my son" or "not in my house" . I've had men literally joke about disowning their children and still claim to not be homophobic.
I remember one time I was talking to a friend at work and she said “I have no prejudice but why do they have to do that in public? Can’t they just kiss at home?” I asked her if she would feel the same way seeing a straight couple and she said no. I said that that means she does have a prejudice and she just said “oh, I guess I do”. I have no idea how she feels nowadays but I think is important to show when someone is being homophobic because that way they can choose if they want to be homophobic or if they just had it implanted in them and want to change now
A lot of times they think they're not prejudiced because they don't see their behavior towards individual people as discriminatory. What you pointed out to them is essentially that in privileging cishet relationships, they're measuring individuals by that standard rather than by the standard of what that person's reality actually is. People do this with race all the time, too. Essentially, if they were self-aware and honest, their "I'm not prejudiced" really means, "I let individual BIPOCs prove they're really white, & if they are, I'll accept their presence/tolerate them/befriend them [varies w/the whit person] but that outgroup they come from is unacceptable."
personally i dont like seeing PDA but i can just look away, as long as they're not being... Loud
I'm almost 69. I like to think that I'm no longer a "practising homosexual" - I'd rather think I'm an accomplished one!
Graduated with a doctorate
@@aleksabanjevic8316 😄
You’ve had over 10 000 hours of homosexuality, making you a master! /hj
N i c e
@@Morrislover.they.xem.your pfp 😂
I'm not a practising gay, I turned professional years ago
I mean, if you can get paid for being gay, slay
olympic level gay
got a gay licence and everything 🤯
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I am semi-pro trans. Only a few more people to come out to until I am on my way to professional league.
as someone with a mother who lives by "being gay is a sin but i still love you"; she believes it's a lifestyle. she believes it IS a choice and wont hear otherwise and its beyond frustrating.
same, im trans and bi and my dear mother believes that i chose to do this for attention and to be "cool", and that she can talk out my queerness-? idk, but stay strong and u'll be ok!
When I was growing up in my mother's church there was a saying I heard said often by older women: "Love the sinner, hate the sin."
They used it to make other people feel small and themselves morally superior.
Right they act like their religious beliefs are innate to them and not an active choice to be part of the religion but somehow our sexuality and sexual identity is a lifestyle and choice because they don't "agree" with our existence basically.
It's kind of like how the black lifestyle IS a choice.
Oh wait, that's racist?
It's very sad. I hope you are in a place where you are able to take good care of yourself. ❤
"Sexual trauma is a gateway for demons [but when it happens in our church it's something the kid needs to repent]" the hypocrisy is just infuriating.
At the point where somebody invokes demon possession to explain your identity, there really isn't a way to reason with them
There is no hate like Christian love
Honestly true. They hate you but fear for their immortal souls so they'll twist and bend and weaponize and justify any cruelty or act against you so they can still feel like good people. It's scary
you are definitely true about that !
You mean any Abrahamic religion?
@@NeonJ1 No because Jewish and Islamic people aren't afraid to just say they hate you. They don't hide behind that "hate the sin love the sinner" nonsense.
Period. The correlation in my family between the level of religiosity and being hateful and judgmental towards others is a great example of this. The more religious family members are going around doing the most horrendous things to people(they are not even queer so it's not just queerphobia but hatred of anybody)that are around them like gossiping to their employer about a colleague that is supposed to be her friend and whom she knew had just lost her husband,became a single mother and had a sick mother to care for. Guess what she did? She was able to make that poor woman lose her job and she did that because she thought that that woman(reminder,they are supposed to be friends who go to religious meetings together)was distracted at work(i wonder why she is,maybe it's the grief of her husband and the burden of raising a child and taking care of a sick mom)so she thought that it would serve as a lesson to her(here comes the holier than thou,trying to show love and care Christian way of thinking)by making her lose her only source of income😃. I wish i was joking but this woman thinks she is going to heaven(and not us sinners who don't pray)because she prays five times a day and watches the mass and recites rosaries as often as she can while also going around ruining people's lives.
When my very Republican and Catholic step dad saw me in a rainbow "Love" shirt he got super excited and ran upstairs. He came down in a Bud Light shirt and told me "We match!"
It was super wholesome.❤
That's amazing!
that's so cute what
Question. How does he reconcile voting for politicians who are explicitly anti-LGBTQ with love and acceptance for queer folk? (Assuming by "Republican" you mean someone at least moderately politically active/voting for GOP.)
@@CorwinFound generally people think the policies are "not that bad" and "not actually a danger to your safety" or maybe even "you're just one of the good ones"
@@CorwinFound as far as I know (he became my step after I was already an adult) he identifies and is registered Republican but doesn't necessarily vote along party lines. He's a very thorough thoughtful person and I imagine that goes into his politics as it does every other part of his life.
Edit: If it makes sense he definitely has the ideals that everybody deserves to live peacefully in a way that makes them happy. He was born and raised in Maine and is a product of his upbringing in a different era, but he tries. He tries more than a lot of liberal identifying people.
my dance teacher told me the other week one of her friends said to her, how come all your friends are either GAY or WEIRD? And she said: because I like people around me with a personality and a free spirit. I freely accept them all. She's more awesome than I thought :)
"Well, I don't hate the straights, I just don't support their lifestyle. I mean, if they want to do that, ok, just don't impose that on me and others, you know? Don't impose your lifestyle on others." I wonder if anyone has ever said that to straight people they know.
"ugh I saw a gay cupple on TV, stop imposing thatblifestilebon me"
Meanwhile, every kid before modern times seeing 1000000000s of only str8 characters.....
The whole “I don’t support it, but I still love people” shtick just seems like “I want to be against your existence as you are, but I also don’t want to deal with any consequences for that”.
The whole "I respect it, I just don't support it" thing honestly feels really condescending to me. Maybe it's just me reading too far into it, but whenever someone says that it sounds like they're implying they're being so charitable by not actively spreading hate to someone that they view as below them. It's quite literally a holier-than-thou attitude.
@@PalisadePeryton agreed
It's just diet homophobia. Just because you don't call me slurs doesn't mean you aren't just another bigot.
It's them finding loopholes to try and not piss anyone off but appeal more to the people the "vibe with" and phrase it in such a way where if anyone calls them out, they are wrong
My mother once ranted for ten minutes about how the gays are all ped 0 files and the transgenders are all mur der ers and at some point towards the end she said, with the smuggest expression on her ugly mug, "now, of course I don't think we should KILL them" like she was the most gracious, generous, benevolent human on the entire planet
It definitely is condescending. They probably think "sure go be queer but I KNOW the truth. And the truth is you are going to HELL BECAUSE OF YOUR LIFESTYLE CHOICE!". Like speaking to a child or someone delusional that doesn't know better. It has the same energy as "bless your heart",they genuinely think that you are stupid and that they have knowledge that you don't possess and are making better life decisions than you. And that my friend is the Christian love mixed with hypocrisy and contempt.
5:29 - The classic "love the sinner, hate the sin." It means, "I'm going to love you but also remind you that you're going to hell and you need Jesus to save you and that sounds harsh but really, I love and care for you, I promise."
Heard it all the time in Kansas, especially during my time at uni.
"I love my idea of you but I don't care for you, actually, so I'll keep making you miserable by reminding you that I don't actually care for you even though you cause no real harm to anyone or thing but my ego and god."
That's not even what the saying means in the first place. You are supposed to let go stuff if it isn't related to legal jurisdiction, "love the sinner" means not harrasing them. But the darker side is "hate the sin" , which means hiding it
@@minestar2247 Eh, that's how it was used when I was growing up because all the Christians explained it like that. But that's more semantics, and I don't want to argue when the sentiment is the same.
@@horrificabomination I love when they say, "You don't know what's best for you." Heard that a lot growing up... and when I got onto antidepressants, because according to my mother I no longer talk to, I was poisoning myself. Like, okay, I'm going to kick the bucket either way, but at least my brain can function until I do.
@@sweetstacks3631 Yeah, the doctor at least knows better than the average person. I hope your depression is less of a problem now
The interviewer at 19:27 is Walter Masterson, he's hilarious! He pretends to agree with Republicans so that they'll admit the horrible/illogical things they believe
I love Walter lol
I love Walter Masterson's work, he is one thousand percent trolling. The Rainbow Bikini bit is a bit more subtle than some of his other stuff. He's gone to abortion rallies and offered people raw cake ingredients, shouting "I baked you a cake", gone to school meetings to call out the moms for liberty, called out police brutality, and visited Nex Benedict's school where he delivered a speech mocking the school system and the governor who called LGBTQ+ people filth. Some of his bits involve "going undercover", and asking Trumpers ridiculous questions that they inevitably answer with similar if not the same answers and reactions. He's also done a few collaborations with Crackhead Barney, one of which had them discussing how long it typically takes for them to get arrested. He's said a few time that trolling the alt right with comedy is his personal form of peaceful protest.
I used to have a friend who would regularly say "I just don't believe that you should be able to just change your gender" and then would just ignore me when I tried explaining that gender is a spectrum.
i mean your friend isn't wrong
@@mieuie🤡
i cant change my gender, and it happens not to align with my secondary sex characteristics. society expects me to perform the gender that matches my secondary sex characteristics, or put another way: to change my gender for their comfort. i tried and it’s not working. so yes you can’t change your gender, only explain it to others who assume the wrong one
nobody... changes their gender? like ever? that's natural imo
@@brídeanngender is a social construct gender ≠ sex
I was literally thinking to myself “his hair is cute today” right before Jamie goes “my hair is awful” 😭😂
He's definitely good at the cute messy look.
His hair is cute. He is cute overall. 🥰
Nearly anything can be pulled off when the rest of you is cute haha
His hair is always fantastic.
If your sentence starts w "im not homophobic/transphobic/etc BUT" you probably should rethink the first half of tht sentence
You should rethink the whole statement tbh
@@blubblewubble fr tho
"im not homophobic BUT *the most vile, demonic sentence ever conconcted by a living being*
If you are saying "I'm not homophobic..." the next word should not be "BUT"
okay calm down
20:55 pretty sure "fell off the pole" was bait and the interviewer was doing an undercover sort of thing. And predictably they never even flinched at the concept of course.
I immediately went searching in the comments when I heard that. The bikini thing and then the mention of dancing on a pole definitely put "baiting" in my head but no one he interviewed even thought twice about it 💀💀 but wearing a rainbow is too inappropriate
That is Walter Masterson. He does videos where he trolls conservatives.
@@makeinubaka British Jordan Klepper (or maybe he's our Walter Masterson) got it. I thought he looked familiar but I've only seen that fellow once before.
He's a professional troll. Showing how ridiculous the book banning and stuff are.
Walter Masterson is awesome. I love his videos trolling the pro forced birthers and ignorant phobes. Most of the time, they aren't smart enough to realize he's making a fool of them.
the “how i found out homosexuality is a sin” girl is genuinely unwell. she is clearly having some issues with reality and may be having a mental break or dealing with some sort of mental health issue. if she truly believes a WARLOCK is the reason for queerness i really don’t even know how to explain or argue with her. this is not rooted in reality whatsoever. i find it extremely sad the lengths she has to go to convince herself that this is the truth. it sounds like the church she is going too is rooted in this delusion as well so it must be difficult to extract herself from the situation. i genuinely hope she finds help before wasting her life believing these delusions. i do hope that no one in her comments was caught in a vulnerable state and agreed with what she was saying. god this is just really sad and hard to watch
I'd seen that clip on The Antibot's channel a couple weeks ago and felt so bad for her. It just got more and more disturbing as the video went on. I sincerely hope that her video received so many responses from people expressing genuine concern that she started to question her perception of reality and reached out for professional help.
Shame, in my humble opinion, is maybe the most powerful and destructive emotion we can experience. We will do almost anything to avoid it. Including believing a warlock put a gay demon inside you as a child. Cognitive dissonance paired with shame can create truly sick and personally dangerous results.
She also ties it directly with childhood trauma, which makes me think she tried to blame her sexuality for that trauma and has made tons of mental gymnastics to build a narrative which fits that conclusion. She looks desperate
Queer Christian with a theology degree here:
If we want to look at why being queer ISN'T a sin, we need to do a few things, starting with the division of the Old and New Testaments.
Jesus dies for our sin in the gospels, and fulfills the law. That's why we no longer have food laws, or laws about how to shave, or how to make appropriate sacrifices in the Temple. Laws in the Bible are divided into a few categories:
1. Cleanliness
These are our sacrifices and our hand washing rituals. We no longer follow them, as they were dealt with on the cross.
2. Set Apart
These are our instructions on what fabric to wear, what festivals to celebrate, sexual relationships, and how to cut our hair. We do not follow these, as they were paid for on the cross.
3. Honour God
These are our laws against blasphemy, and disrespect towards God. We do follow those, out of our love for God.
4. Do not harm
Do not murder, do not lie, do not commit adultery, give to the poor. We follow these laws, as they are moral issues that are not fulfilled in the cross.
As same sex attraction doesn't fall into a harm or dishonouring category, we know it is okay.
The context of the New Testament needs to be understood to deal with the times there it discusses same sex attraction. Namely, that it doesn't. It labels same sex intercourse.
1. Same homosexual relationships were very often related to worship in the temple of Artemis. So, don't go to the temple.
2. They were often between a man and a young boy, so obviously that wasn't okay.
3. They were always unmarried, which wasn't allowed.
Conclusion: Christians should support same sex couples, and encourage marriage between them, because it's literally just the sex outside of marriage that is a sin, and even then, that was mostly to lessen the spread of disease, so, take that as you will.
God bless, and happy Pride! 😊
" and fulfills the law." where in the bible does it say that.?
@@krispycookez Matthew 5:17
I know this is one theological perspective that is very common in a lot of more progressive churches. But as a sorta queer (ace, genderqueer) person with theology degrees, I'm a little more heterodox. I don't believe Jesus died for anyone's sins; I don't see how that could be compatible with who we believe God to be & what Jesus said God is like. I believe Jesus was killed by Empire (as a "principality" or "power," i.e. an emergent property of human culture that seems to be bigger than the sum of us all).
I also don't like contrasting the Hebrew & Christian testaments; I don't see a change in how God relates to the world, only a development of human thought for a particular group that emerged from Second Temple era Judaism. Sadly, once separated from its Jewish roots, Christianity pretty quickly aligned itself with Empire, and I think that's where so many of the harmful, toxic beliefs of Christian history came from. Those beliefs & practices are so clearly antithetical to what the Gospels and Acts try to show us with their repudiation of wealth & power in favor of radical inclusion into a covenanted community.
@@j.apenrose7896 so im guessing your saying that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 law is fulfilled? Weird, so then that implies the rules to inherent the kingdom of God changed when jesus died? 😑
@@krispycookez Bud, prior to Jesus's death, the way you inherited the kingdom of Heaven was to be Jewish. Jesus came to allow us to dwell with Him, Gentile and Jew alike.
As for the passage referenced, I hope you read verse 11.
To me this whole "I don't support LGBTQ but I still love you as a person" just reeks of "love the sinner, hate the sin" dressed in new words.
YES
My brain hurt after thinking about this
"I love you as a person, but I don't support black people"
"I respect you but I can't support your decision of suddenly getting hit by a drunk driver and becoming paralysed from the waste down"
"I love and respect you but Jesus doesn't support you choosing to become diabetic"
At least they recognize “hate the sin, love the sinner” is basically an indicator of religious bigotry. I mean, it means nothing since you can always reword it, but at least they recognize those words have been poisoned.
Jamie, as a trans person living in Utah, they think that you can get into heaven if your gay IF you don't act on it. "Oh i like gay people, i just don't think they should get married" gets said alot
A very weird concept if it impacts law cuz, ya know, not every religion is against it and not every person is religious anyway. It's not like making gay marriage legal will make str8 or Christian marriage illegal
Still beats Louisiana.
I'm very lucky that my family, and some parts of my extended family, aren't like that. I still live a conservative state, buuuut, it's not the worst
Oh, the Mormon state? Didn't these guys have litteral polygamy? I don't think gay marriage would be that outside of their field
@@minestar2247 polygamy is different from polyamory,
Homophobia is when they couldn’t free up Olivia Colman’s dates for ‘Heartstopper’ Season 3
What? If I'm understanding what you mean, then boooo. She's amazing.
REALLL
Sarah is so important in the comic, I struggle to think how they're going to handle some of the biggest moments in the series without her.
@@Rubymagicalgirl88 im pretty sure is that her personal dates were locked (power to her) but they couldn't free up dates to let her do work, so she couldn't work on it
@bookswithike3256 if she's that important to the show they could get another actor. It sucks but they wouldn't have to cut out important character development then
25:00 If ANYONE ever says they're trying to "save you from yourself" RUN. Run girl and do not look back. Nothing good has ever come of that sentiment
I’m a heterosexual female, and I’ve been really adoring your content over the past cpl days. You’re honestly great. You educate with such understanding and grace and really try to understand everyone’s opinion. You and your partner are such a beautiful couple. Thank you for helping me be a better person. Looking forward to learning and laughing with you! ❤️
“HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT OUR LORD AND SAVIOR GAY???”
Our lord and Savior Blåjah
Tell me more
Our lord and saviour hit-
I laughed so much at that part 😂
I really want to see a comedy sketch of that. 😂 "Hi can I interest you in a rainbow flag and a boxset of Heartstopper?" 😄
I reckon these idiots think they should be praised for not wanting us unalived. It's like... I don't support you, I don't agree with you, but I'm ok with you living. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
My Dad was like that with black people. He kept telling me I dont want them to die or bad things happen to them, I just dont want them living in my country. Hmm covert racism?
My mother unironically thinks this. Like no exaggeration, she thinks that her NOT wanting the death penalty for queer people is sooooooooo benevolent, you should've seen her face when she said that k1lling gay people is bad. Btw, she said that after ranting for like ten minutes about how the gays are all ped 0 files and the transgenders are all mur der ers
They equate gay love to lying, stealing, and killing. They're all "sins", so they think you holding hands with the person you love for years is the same as murder.
Yeah, they're like centrist, but as lefties know, centrist only help the status quo
And that's being generous, because for quite a few it's more like: "but I'm ok with you living IF far away, hidden, in a small corner".
i am happy to announce that i have finally started hrt!! 🎉
YOOOO
That's awesome
Ahhhh congratulations!!! I'm so happy for you
Congrats
Congrats!!!
@eventhorizon9567possibly, i comment on a lot of videos
19:49 oh no, Jamie! This is Walter Masterson, he's... A satirical non-reporter? Activist? Comedian? Idk how to describe him actually, but the thing about a 4th grader (9-10 yr old) beauty pageant is made up because he's trying to catch conservatives in hypocricies
He does actually have a very moving speech in front of a school board regarding bullying of youth leading to dire circumstances and it's probably his least satirical work
"I'm not demonizing it but I had a demon (referring to being homosexual)" is one funny ass sentence 😂
24:31 BREAKING NEWS IT HURTS YOU SPIRITUALLY TO WEAR MIXED FABRICS (Deuteronomy 22:11)
DONT EAT SHRIMP COS JESUS DOESN'T LIKE THAT lol
And remember if you SA a woman, that hurts her FATHER and you gotta repay HIM
And if the rattlesnake says “I wish I had hands so I could hug you like a man”
It is YOUR job as a cactus to say “but don’t you understand, my skin is covered with sharp spikes that’ll stab you like a thousand knives, a hug would be nice but hug my flower with your eyes.”
@@N_IRL And marry her! Because she's damaged goods now & no man will want her, so you have to take care of her, and who cares how she feels about any of it.
Polycotton will hurt your soul.
"I'm against you, but that doesn't mean I hate you."😊
it's worse it's *against you existing
It's like the "hate the sin, love the sinner" used by those who think they can convert gay people
@Sandra-wy2nt also "being gay is fine-God still loves them-but _acting_ on it is a sin!", saying gay love can never be as good as straight love. To them, gay people are on a lower level. "Stay alone forever, or else you're a sinner-on the same level as a thief, liar, or killer!"... In what way is that "love"?
@@Sandra-wy2nt well, you can cover them to another belief system, but you can't really make them straight, because biology
@@katyungodly actually, acting on straightness is as much a sin, it's just that your societies normalised it to the point it seems unfair(the marriage part is unfair though)
If God created all people then God sure as hell created LGBTQ People
@@KrimsonKattYTYou can’t be part of a homophobic organization and call yourself not homophobic.
@@NeonJ1It's certain people who twist religion to put others down who are part of homophobic organisations. I found out LGBTQ-friendly churches exist! :D
@NeonJ1
Christianity is a religion, not an organization? There are Christian organizations (a lot of which are homophobic) but Christianity itself is not homophobic nor an organization.
-From an ex-Christian trans man.
@@Milo-hp9fw It’s all ran through an organization. If you go to church you support phobes, if you talk about it, you support phobes. The leaders of the sects are phobes. Also, why is it that people who believe in a make belief sky daddy get a pass. They should be committed.
Yep, he created people. So there is no way to think that the lgbtq are "unnatural" or "demonic", they're just build different, kinda like left handed people
A lot of these can be summed up as "ain't no hate like Christian love"
22:50 The concept that sins are bad not because they hurt others but because they hurt yourself is so wild. It implies that if it weren't for the fact that these actions had personal ramifications, people like this would hurt others without remorse.
Seriously, that's like saying murder is bad not because it destroys peoples' lives, but because then you won't be allowed in heaven! :,( complete lack of empathy.
Yeah and I'm pretty sure that would just make people even more worse since they have the backup plan of "guilt,regret,repent,and preach"
Sin should be both, avoiding hurting others and self. Focusing only on either is bad. A lot of Christian weirdos will even go so far as to say "just being a good person isn't good enough, but believing in God is" literally saying that good people won't go to heaven but bad ppl can as long as they pay 5 bucks to the church and say "sowy I muwded billions uwu 👉👈"
And fr, ppl are eating shellfish, wearing different fabric clothes, and I doubt all of them avoid eating meat 40 days before easter, if they can make exceptions for all those minor rules, they can make one more exception
Jamie! I work at a bookstore and we just got your book in. It makes me so happy to see! You're amazing 🌷
That's so cool 😎
In all instances I've encountered with this, especially having grown up in the church, "support" is akin to enabling. Being LGBT is seen as an illness or disorder, so they still "love" and "accept" you, since you can't help being afflicted with this terrible thing, and they'll pray for you to overcome your struggle. I've heard a lot that you can be LGBT, but it's sinful to act on it, "hate the sin, love the sinner". If you vote for equality and give access to resources for LGBT people, it's looked at like you're giving beer to an alcoholic. It should be discouraged and they just want to help you "get better".
Ah, yes, understandable. I’ll just stop being a bi trans man and instead become a totally celibate nun instead of following what’s natural and being happy because those people have bad opinions… 💀
If someone said that to me they're getting bitch slapped: I don't need your condescension 😂
Yes, this is it.
I was thinking earlier when I was doing similar translations above that ironically I might have that "gift of interpretation" they talked about in the Pentecostal churches I grew up in, lol. Seriously, though, it's hard for people who haven't been in those contexts to understand the lingo.
Your comparison to enabling an addiction is perfect, though. I wish I'd thought of putting it that way. So succinct & most people understand that concept.
Friendly reminder that there is nothing wrong or sinful with being LGBTQ+! You are beautiful and you are loved! Also remember to go drink water. ❤
🔆💗
6:02 the “hate the sin, hate the sinner” mindset is so violent IMO because people that think that, that is an acceptable perspective use it as a means of “evangelizing” to others while simultaneously dismissing the humanity of the person they’re talking about.
I knew someone who was "suffering from same sex attraction" and in a church, he was the saddest man I ever met. He became a school chaplain and then self exited. I was so angry the church and the school allowed him to seek that position.
Why were you angry the church let him seek that position if I may ask?
Self exited????
19:27 the guy doing the interview is walter masterson. he makes lots of videos trolling and satirizing conservatives and disrupting their protests. his videos are pretty funny imo
20:10
Yes he’s trolling, he’s one of my favorite TH-camrs/Comedians.
How are you there already this vid was posted 15mins ago 😂
@@h3artz.and.st4rzbro speedran the video
He is also my favorite
@@h3artz.and.st4rz lgbt radar is always quick !
@@h3artz.and.st4rz probably watching on 1.5x speed
Little pud on the chair has gotten me through this entire video i love him deeply😭😭
some one said that he was not homophobic when he said "i don't want gay people in tv shows" because he was not bullying gay people he just wants to ignore gay people.
It’s still homophobic, but not as bad as most people 🤷
Whenever someone says, "I don't support the LGBTQ community but I'm not homophobic," my response is, "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." People who claim to be apolitical are not being nuanced. They are saying they're absolutely fine with the status quo of systemic oppression, or it doesn't affect them so they never cared enough to look into it. They would sit idly by while the world burns.
Astro projecting warlocks?! Either this girl is a bad conartist or mentally unwell. The second is sad and she needs to talk to someone. I worry about her.
Lady misinterpreted her DnD campaign as real-life ☠️
@science_bearhow is bisexuality a cult?
i agree, it’s really worrisome. i wonder if she’s in some type of psychosis after hearing her talk about the gay demon walking away from the man in her church
Pentecostal expressions of Christianity have a lot more to do with traditional religions than Pentecostals would ever want to recognize. All that demon talk is imported from other traditions & translated into Christian idioms. (I.e., the original traditional religions might reference spirits of ancestors or minor deities, which Christians would interpret as demons b/c that's the concept available to them in their religion.)
This may not be what's going on here, but I just want to say certain cultural contexts will have different ways of interpreting reality than the typical Western, scientific template/lens would do. That's not to say I think it's all good; it's just I think there's more to it than psychosis or whatever, & we should remember how deeply enmeshed the Enlightenment was with white supremacy & colonialism & how much we need to deconstruct those elements of our own received tradition/way of seeing.
i don’t understand why people are homophobic, how on earth do you look at the LGBTQ+ community and think, “I dOn’T lIkE tHiS!”
Because some people hate others that are different. It's discrimination.
Some people are just mindless bigots. They just hate someone who is not the "norm" (aka neurotypical cis hetero white man as the "norm")
Once they get rid of the group they're hating on, they'll start hating the next, and the next, and the next. It's a violent cycle of hate, which only has two steps: hate, and get results.
The jesus' book club is just extra. Their fandom got a little out of hand and think their book is 'soooooo' great that everyone should live by it.
I assume it's jealousy. They could never be as fabulous as us.
@KrimsonKattYT
You do not know how much I AGREE with you
it is insane how much hate the furry community gets for NO REASON because a VERY SMALL amount of people were ped0philic, or z0ophilic, and acted weird
Which is about the same as saying "all people are horrible for some of them doing crimes" and I hate that other communities are viewed in the same way including LGBT+ it seriously sucks
The person talking about the beauty pageant for fourth graders (around 19:45) actually goes to rallies and such and trolls people. His channel is Walter Masterson!
“[Homophobia] is like an onion. It has many layers.” - Jammidodger, Shrek (approximately)
I’m so easily distracted I was looking at mini pud and forgot what Jamie was talking about-
Picturing you sitting there for 40 minutes and then going "Damn I forgot to listen to this"
“Hey uh.. I read like, a really old book and it says you are going to go to hell and burn and suffer eternally if you keep doing something you can’t help. Anyways much love to the community!”
Technically it's only if you f###, otherwise you still go to hell because lack of good actions
@@minestar2247only if you smash *without protection*
There's only 1 difference between homophobia and croissants: Croissants are actually good.
Also, croissants come from France and homophobia comes from Ignorance
@@CallumTimothy Smart
Croissants are actually original Austrian and so was the world's most toxic fascist but you're right.
@@EmoBearRights Also smart.
And butter! Croissants are buttery and great! :D
6:57 As a Bisexual Christian, yeah! That is basically what it is! You can be gay.. your sexuality is valid, and real.. but because it's not a part of God's natural design, you can't have a same-sex relationship. HOWEVER... we wouldn't condemn anybody who is in a same-sex relationship, because their relationship is valid. It's basically like "I wouldn't do it personally, but I'm not going to judge someone else who choses to have that relationship".
at 24:06 she says that it's a sin and she read all the translations but in the original text it says to being a pdf file is and it was changed in 1946 to fit the homophobic views of the catholic church
20:00 this guy is trolling, he once dressed up in a bud light suit and complained that the woke people were ruining the world so he couldn’t “take his daughters to hooters anymore” it’s honestly pretty hilarious
fun fact: the king who translated the Bible (King James) was notoriously gay
i love your commentary on the "lgbt+ identities are wrong/sinful/something i don't support, but i still love you" rhetoric. my family is super religious and very anti-lgbt, so i heard that a lot in my youth, and it's so foolish.
Queer Christian here. The whole "I can't support you but I love you" thing is the biggest reason I fear coming out. Its like what do you mean. Would you not support me if someone hurt me because I was gay? You would if someone hurt me for anyone other reason. So do you love me or do you love the parts of me you're ok with? It just makes me sad that the second one could be the truth
It's true. They would be sympathetic about you getting hurt but would say to you or to others that it was your own fault for getting hurt. Such people often believe that if something bad happens to you then it's because you deserved it, or you were being tested, or punished. Best not to put your hopes on them being by your side if you need help. There are accepting churches, that allow you to worship without being judgemental.
I will pray for you to find a church that respect HBTQIA+ rights, they exist.
/ Cristian swedish bi-cis-woman
@@elaexplorer sadly it's more likely they would pretend to be sympathetic about it. When I was 14 and didn't even know trans people existed (let alone that I was trans) I had a woman come into the bathroom and demand to see my genitals because somehow I was making her uncomfortable despite her entering after I washed my hands. When I refused she called me a ped0phile. But half the times I talk about it someone blames me for her actions and demands to know what I did to her. Like what I did to her was...enter an empty bathroom, use the toilet, wash my hands, and started walking to the door to leave when she came in and demanded I drop my pants.
Uh I'm not gay or anything but pro tip if ppl can't accept you for liking who you like you prob don't wanna be with those ppl in the first place
i wish you luck in finding a more accepting christian community, there are plenty out there who will accept you fully (as the good book says!) you don’t have to give up any part of your self to be accepted by people who have respect and love in their hearts. ❤
They can't say "I love you" and "I don't support you" at the same time. It is a confliction. You are so right, there is no 'but'. Either you support them or not.
“Homophobia is a croissant” NO DONT COMPARE ME TO THAT-
I thought you were a homophobe until i read your username lol
I want to speak to the bible translating clarity issue that you bring up about 35:30 into the video from a Jewish perspective. I’m not familiar with the new testament, so I can’t say anything about that, but Jews read what Christians call the Old Testament in its original language, Hebrew. So I can say for sure that in the untranslated original language it is rarely clear and often self-contradictory. I can only imagine how translation into other languages, most of the time not from Hebrew, must aggravate that, because all translations are interpretations
Its basically fence sitting. "i'm uncomfortable with being called a bigot or a homophobe. I'm not racist and have never been the bad guy in this kind of situation before and i dont like it. So i want to distance myself from those who are more comfortable with their homophobia and bigotry by saying i still love members of the LGBTQ+ community but dont support them." Its the halfway situation where they realize there is a problem but they havent yet connected all the dots on where the problem is. I remember in the 90's (i realize these types are still out there) there was a large group of guys going "Im not gay. I have relationships with women, but only sex with men. I am never going to date a man" And pretty much everyone outside that group is going, um okay call it what you want but its not str8 and its at least bi. They were just uncomfortable identifying with the LGBT comunity. Eventually most of them moved on and either said yes i am bi or gay or whatever or went the other way and said they prayed it away or what have you or just stuck with DL lifestyle such as it is.
27:06
My heart cries out for all of these bigots' lack of knowledge about how terrible they are as people.
They might as well just keep going:
"I'm not transphobic, but..." "I'm not racist, but..." "I'm not xenophobic, but...", etc.
' I'm not demonizing it, but it's a demon! ' 😂😂😂 Shut off your device, go outside, touch some grass. 😂😂😂🙈
"my 10yo is participating in a bikini competition, but a girl in a rainbow costume RUINED everything, that was so inappropriate! My daughter almost fell off the pole she was dancing on! Absurd!" being so blind omg
9:05 I think Sanders Sides said it best, though it is a different context but still -- "Pushy is pushy. This faux flexible rhetoric you're using to "soften" your approach doesn't change your intentions. It just disguises them."
It is a vastly different context, but I think it works quite well here.
eyyy Sanders Sides ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
That fact it was said by the SHAPESHIFTING SNAKE BOI TOO
@@kaelin_cherise I mean, who would know better than a literal snake? And we love him for it
Oh I was thinking Logan had said this but it makes more sense knowing Janus said it.
I haven't watched the series in a while lol
The "practicing homosexual" is so stupid. And as an asexual it's slightly confusing. So if I don't sleep with people, am I a practicing asexual even though I don't practice anything?
Ah yes, a paradox
I'd love the keychain... but the egg would 100% be snatched off by a jerk where I'm from
I really don’t understand why people are afraid of other people who are more open minded, are confortable with being themselves and - personal opinion - understand better the concept of love and acceptance towards others 😅
This is why I don't step in these landmines with people. It's like they can't take back what they said and don't understand the harm they are doing. It's a new form of gaslighting.
20:00 The interviewer is describing something that didn't happen. Essentially, he talks to conservative people as if he were conservative and uses "examples" that are meant to test their limits, in hopes they understand the views they hold are nonsensical. Really funny stuff, but also kinda sad sometimes with how some respond positively to messed up "examples" he gives.
Before i even admitted to myself that i was bi, my grandmother said i had changed so much and was no longer her little granddaughter, she literally said "i don't like you, but o do love you because Jesus says i have to" only things that had changed were i had a boyfriend and i no longer considered becoming a nun as a potential "career" (becoming a librarian was always my top desired career)
Be a librarian if you can. That’s cooler for sure. Also I’m sorry your grandma sucks. If she doesn’t like gay people tho, ask for her opinions on fixed fabrics and shellfish. If she’s for those, let her know she’s a fucking hypocrite 🙃
What a horrible thing to say. I'm really sorry that happened to you, & I'm glad you came into your own anyway.
"I love you because I have to." What a shit thing to say
@@elainebelzDetroit thank you, me too
@@skag_gully right? Like I get that she was going senile, but how can you call yourself a follower of Jesus if you think loving me because he says to is in any way what he meant? And also, TELLING me that you don't like me and only love me because you have to?? Very Jesus like. SMH
The impose the lifestyle on me argument is nuts. I’ve never had a gay person convince me I’m gay. But I have had various religious people try and convince me or convert me to their religion or beliefs. Pot calling the kettle black much.
When bigots say “Love the sinner, hate the sin.”…. I say “Love the believer, hate the belief.”
Shuts down the conversation quickly.
(I’m an ally, BTW)
20:47 I agree... Think this guy is trying to see how far bigotry can make some people ignore actually wrong things.... Ie little children's pageant, bathing suit judging, and pole dancing "daughter"😮
You should see the other one he did on the same video
"My uncle is being arrested for free speech , ice cream truck confiscated , guns taken away , the children in his factories are now unemployed , and now he can't see his wife because she's under the age of 18"
23:05 "I used to suffer with same sex attraction" it's giving "I was diagnosed with gay at the age of three"💀💀
Edit: SHE DIDNT KNOW WHAT SIN WAS? THATS LIKE CHRISTIANITY FACT #2😭😭😭
This must be a grift, so ppl can use her and say "see, u can be cured, and see how they are brainwashing kids to not know what sin even is until it's too late"
Same-sex-sex ore being anything is not sin. Sin is what keep you from God! Quer-fobic people is spreading the message that cristianity is by definition quer-fobic and believing that keep queer people from God. God want all humans to love they and the homofobia and transfobia etc. of cristians is a big sin for that reason.
/Cristian bi-cis-woman active in the church of Sweden
Yep. I like to troll transphobes with "I used to struggle with my gender, but ever since I accepted who I really am I became so much happier" because they'll think I accepted that I'm a cis man. I'm an afab demiguy. 😂💙
@@waffles3629 AFAB DEMIGUY SOLIDARITY❓
A Jammidodger video a day keeps the homophobes away!
I don't know that it does, but it sure provides sustenance.
“Have you heard about our Lord and Savior, gay” is probably the best quote I’ve ever heard
Child beauty pageants run rampant in the South. The age categories start with BABIES, and there is often a swim suit portion. The guy asking about his "daughter" being thrown off by another contestant in a rainbow bikini likes to go to Trump rallies and other gatherings of conservatives to ask similar questions. I recommend his channel.
I think that the first one is saying that not actively being an ally doesn't make you homophobic, but I'm not sure and it's very confusing. The word "support" in this case is very ambiguous, especially in the other videos.
no that's not what people mean when they say support lgbt people. they straight up think we shouldn't have rights but they aren't homophobic because the word offends them more then their bigotry.
nah, they're saying that they are homophobic but know it is considered a bad thing and they don't think they're a bad person so they don't want to be called with a word for "bad people", that's all
@@LilFeralGangrel Oh ok, the way they phrased it is very ambiguous and I usually try to assume the best.
Sometimes you can just not support by not taking the fight when someone says something quer-fobic in your presens and that a sin. People do that alot but I am so bad at lying I most of the time don't do that sin.
/Cristian swedish bi-cis-woman
As a cis and straight Latter-day Saint (or Mormon) myself, the level of homophobia and other anti-lgbtq bigotry ingrained so deeply in my church and theology hurts me deeply. Cis heteronormativity is unfortunately firmly embedded in the official doctrine of the church in such a way that it can be very difficult to even conceive of a version of the teachings that would fully accept it, although there are theologians and other interested people (such as myself) who have been trying to develop queer-friendly Mormon theology. I expect that eventually the leadership will cave to the truth that being LGBTQ isn’t a sin, but I don’t know if it will happen soon enough for me to be able to ethically remain a member of the church community that I love. If it’s any consolation, lgbtq allyship has grown dramatically within the church over the past few years and I hope and pray that this trend will only continue. Thank you for this excellent video and discussion!
"A gay prime minister" That's just Harold Saxon from Doctor who
As someone in the states, my thing I always say, if you'll vote in a way that removes rights or causes hardship for a group of people, you do not love them. You do not support them. You do not care about that person. Period. If you cared and loved someone you'd be morally consistent to ensure their well-being.
So I grew up in a conservative Christian family and was sent to Christian school K-12. What is meant by "hate the sin, love the sinner," ie, "I don't support you/your lifestyle but I love/care about you" is absolutely a NEW development in this religion (new like within the past several decades). It came about when people, like you said, Jaime, started to be called out on "You're not loving your neighbor/being kind." So they still DO think you're sinning. They still DO think you're going to burn in hell for eternity. They still DO (although they won't say it out loud) think you are
Bad for society
Will hurt/badly influence their children
Should not have government protection for your rights
Should not be allowed to marry
Should not be allowed to adopt children
Should not be allowed to choose the pronouns that suit you if THEY think they are "wrong pronouns"
They don't love you. They are internally disgusted by your very existence but they have the presence of mind to understand that in modern society that does not go over well. They also don't want to get arrested or face consequences for hate speech/hate crimes. They WILL vote against you having any rights and they WILL say it's for your own good because they love you.
It’s also the minority of christians that *don’t* harass or openly object to the community. Most do.
Yep. I've been told I'm a danger to children, accused of r*ping children, and accused of performing genital surgeries on trans toddlers...because I'm ace.