When I picked up my new Honda dealer gave me a list of things that were checked under the hood. When I got home found out hood release was never hooked up. Could not release hood. How did my dealer check under the hood.😊
All I can say is NONonononowhahaHaHaHAHAHA!!! You believe people at the dealer!? They can dance on their mother's grave to get you to buy anything 😂😂😂😂
@@incognito5109 I've purchased a number of new vehicles by different manufacturers at different dealers, and all the dealers have proven to be untrustworthy in either - or both - sales and service.
@@BCautosutionsPost Covid all management has tanked because the managers I suppose have plausible excuses. It really goes to management in my opinion no matter what. These guys have been acting in many companies like they are out to lunch or playing golf.
When I brought my 23 touring last year the black piece that sits inside the fuel cap door wasn’t even attached to the door. Soon as I opened my fuel door it fell out.
I saw a missing bolt at my CRV 2018 Transmission pan when doing oils changed. But there is no leaks. I guess i have to revisit it again and get a new bolt. Look like something is telling me to find a new bolt, that is why i see your video. Thank you.👍
Contact Honda Japan and tell them to watch your video and explain to them your disappointment with your Civic ! I have a 2023 Civic si and I’ve had zero issues and it’s been amazing so far . Man I almost went with just the civic sport with the standard transmission and the basic 2.0 engine myself . Do yourself a favor and make the call and look on the door jam and see where your car was made , most likely Canada and call them also, Japan may want to send a tech to go over your car ? Maybe ? Don’t just let this go because Honda will want to squash this problem asap .
I remember when I brought a brand new 1976 Chevy Implala that the deferential gear oil plug was missing and when my father back up the car we saw a large quantity of gear oil came out. We paid $400.00 delivery prep but no one found this problem.
I have a 24 sport touring with a manual. While my car has not experienced any major issues in the 17000 miles I have driven it, there are multiple rattles and creaks which also make me question Honda’s commitment to quality. I have previously owned an 8th gen Civic and two generations of Mazda 3. I drove each of them for over 80,000 miles (130,000 in the case of the Civic) and none exhibited a single issue or even a single creak.
This is fucked up. A bolt that holds the transmission to the engine just… came off!? WTF! My Hondas are made in Japan, and I am glad I have had no such issues. I hear the Hondas made in Canada are just as reliable as the ones made in Japan, but at this point, I would never purchase one made in UK, US or Mexico.
My Toyota was made in the US - zero issues in 11 years, but of course I cannot guarantee the QC remained the same. After all, we have all seen what is happening to Boeing.
I was randomly checking my automatic 2023 honda civic hatchback's hood , when my dad saw a random bolt lying on the same spot. I haven't had a problem before and I didn't think of it much and just ignored it thinking there shouldn't be something wrong since it's new. I probably should have been more worried. It wasn't the bolt that you had missing, so will be looking more closely on my next oil change. Thanks for the video
Wow. That's crazy. Like insane crazy. Smh quality control really taking a dive I see. Sad they really dnt make any cars like they used to. Ig that includes Hondas now. Aren't they assembled in the US these days for usdm? Regardless I'm glad you found it. That's definitely not a bolt you want loose
A Honda plant in Japan was closed down and so was one in England. Meanwhile the US people wanted to keep the jobs but they are 10x worse than the ones that were closed but they ARE CHEAPER. All Honda workers are NON-UNION and paid poorly.
Post pandemic most car makers in the USA have dropped in quality, especially Volvo. American workers don’t care anymore. The stimulus money and working from home and people making money on social media has ruined the under 35 crowd.
Wowsers - and its got the black marker mark on the transmission itself at that bolt opening. Just bought an FL5 and hope I don't encounter QC issues such as these...
When I pulled my trans to put a new clutch in my 10gen si one of the trans bolts was cross threaded. Luckily it was one of the holes that passes through. So I was able to rethread and find a new bolt that was longer.
I got coolant leak from the radiator hose that connects to the cap. It’s not bad but you definitely see white spotting along the hose. It also looks like I’m low on oil. So I’m either leaking or burning at 3.3k miles. I get some creeks sometimes from the passenger shock. I get a turbine whistle sometimes at a slow creep after a stop. Maybe brake booster? Also so many rattles in the dash. Also birds love to poop on it, I think that might be because of the red color. I’m scared man. I’m calling the dealer today
Your scaring me man about the newer Civic I have a 99 Civic Coupe been super reliable do almost all the work myself planning on getting a 2nd car in the next year and a half or two years(Still keeping the 99 Civic will be eligible for antique plates in 5 years) was thinking about another Civic but hearing this makes me concerned about getting something newer don't know if I should buy something older like a late 80s Accord LXI or early 90s CB7 Accord if I find one in good mechanical shape with no rust I can paint the car myself at home if the paint is bad or I don't like the color but will still definitely keep the 99 Civic Coupe.
Yes, the location of the assembly plant does matter. I remember working at a VW dealership and when they had first started assembling Jettas in Mexico, we'd get cars with missing grab handles and the wrong owner's manual. Who knows what else could have been going wrong. I have two Mazdas now and I was glad to know that they were assembled in Japan. I know that doesn't guarantee that there will be no problems but it gives me peace of mind.
I am not surprised anymore. My 2024 Acura Integra went to dealership about 8 times within 8 months. Mostly quality control issues with assembly and interior panel misalignment which needed replacement(A-pillar rattle, door panel, air vent). Have a full list of issues that were taken care of(not without a fight), issues are still not fixed and issues that are waiting on parts. One mechanical where possibly a torque rod/rear engine mount rubber is separating from the sleeve.
@@jamesmedina2062 There are many quality control issues which had to be caught at the factory. Items such as gaps in the armrest/door handle/misalignment of the interior panels - I had to argue that it isn't "within tolerances", still the dealership where I bought my car from, refused to do anything. Other issues they just can't hear, although of me documenting everything with info and videos. I first locate a rattle, make all the homework so the tech would spend less time, but even this isn't good enough. Some obvious things where the tech saw an item literally broken, they would replace. I just can't understand how a new car can have both front doors panels replaced(second door panel replacement on order) because of "manufacturing defect"? A passenger vent broken/loose internally and a pipe that connects to it be either disconnected or deformed? How can a headlight assembly be assembled in such as way that it would touch a fender and creak in colder months? Even glove box light/housing was damaged during install. What about a rear engine mount rubber separating from the sleeve? Oh, the persistent rattles ... countless and some of them just there, others depend on the temp outside. With weather getting warmer and when dashboard expands a bit, the frame/cutout for the heads-up display is making a loud creaking noise, just by driving over a normal undamaged pavement. I am considering other alternatives, unfortunately after having multiple Honda/Acura vehicles, however these were made in Japan and were true to their name brand.
Wow that is ridiculous. And I’ve been talking to my Acura dealer about an MDX for my wife, a new doctor and a TLX for myself and I’m a new doctor as well. Your experience sure makes me think twice. We have no time to be taking brand new expensive vehicles into service that often! We both have Mazdas now that have been bullet proof but we are wanting to upgrade. We consider Porsche Panamera and Porsche Macan but her and I think those are douche bag cars that are over the top while so many people are suffering now and using credit cards to get by. Maybe just get a couple of new to trim Mazdas.
@@2004cyrus Many new cars are made cheaper than old ones. I can't speak of very expensive vehicles, as I have never owned one. I owned 1995 Corolla, 2004 Corolla, 2003 TL(had couple of recalls), 2008 Scion xD(had 1 recall), 2016 VW GTI(one recall), 2016 MINI Cooper S(got rid of it in over a year because of issues) and 2010 Honda Fit and same year Acura RL. All of the aforementioned cars were pretty good except MINI. I did have 2023 or 24 TLX as a leaner couple of times for a day or 2 and funny thing is that when I would make a turn in the parking lot, front suspension or steering made a loud creaking noise. I told the dealer about it and she said yes, we know 😀 If you are unsure, lease the car first and then buy it afterwards if you like it. This way you will have time to "test drive" it.
@@2004cyrus Doctor I say to drive them all and just decide based on comfort, room, and driving dynamic you like. Don't be brand loyal as all vehicles today are virtuous. The people should take in car more during warranty as it is the last chance for free repairs. The dealership near you matters lots especially as you probably are the kind of guy to keep receipts and on top of maintenance. I look at things this way: Honda does engine, brakes and suspension on a very high level. Music can also come in well. Brands like Toyota do all things ok to good and durable. Rigid frames. Mazda is now pushing higher class and can be enjoyable. Just make sure you like the car in question! Some aches and pains are forgivable when you ❤️your ride and it puts a smile on your face. Remember lemon law protects you from nightmares but are extremely unlikely with Honda, Toyota, or Mazda.
Mine was the same, take it to the dealer and have them fix it the sooner the better. I noticed mine were out of line and they realigned mine no charge.
The only problem I've had with my hatch over the past year is that the trunk latch wasn't catching when closing the hatch. It was like that since I got it. Other than that, I haven't had any other issues. It does seem like a lot of owners are having small quality control issues.
It's amazing. I recently bought a new car. And the main catalyst? Your videos. Months ago, I had commented on your Dislikes video because I was incredulous that it was a whopping 48 minutes. Regardless I watched it all (in sections). Multiple times. And then I started watching your other vides. And then I started shopping this car. And I test drove the car twice. You (and Zack) had me convinced that this was the best car out there (even though it had no sunroof). And I love Hondas (I was driving a 2017 TLX with 30,000 miles which I bought used in 2020 with 4,000 miles). But all of your videos are really good. So much great detail. So I love your channel. I didn't buy the Civic Sport Hatchback MT because I didn't like how far forward the shifter is. But the amazing part is that your current videos make me glad that I didn't pull the trigger. Oil gasket leaks and transmission bolts falling off? Sheesh. Happy I passed.
Appreciate your comment man and love for my videos! I try to make them in my very limited spare time as I have. 2&3 year old I’m raising. I know I could do better but my focus is to keep it real and transparent, I’m glad other are appreciating it!
Its seeing stuff like this that makes me hold on to my 8th Gen Si. BTW did the bolt have any signs of black sharpie marker on it? From the looks of the bell housing it looks like at the factory(?) or somewhere else they were drawing marker lines over the tops of the fasteners. Sometimes this is done to identify if a bolt has backed out of position after its been torqued. The bolt that fell obviously backed out. I have to wonder if this was a known concern during assembly hence the use of the sharpies as part of "quality control."
its mainly marked to keep track that it was properly torqued. But the assemblers likely do it even if not torqued at all and some may do it to protest low wages.
All USA sold late model Honda Civics, "Proudly made in USA". It's a work culture problem similar to GM, Ford, Chrysler, Boeing ...which is sad because US jobs are so highly paid to foreign labor competition. Yesterday reputation often has nothing to do with today's quality, people of yesterday have retired. It's you young liberal generation that is suppose to fix this so American manufacturing can compete. If you don't compete, you don't eat.
listen im right there with ya on quality. i bought a 2024 sport sedan and my cvt is already failing, ive got electrical problems, and my driver side seat back is broke somewhere. the service writer get trying to downplay my problems as user error and they refuse to touch my car. my car just hit 2000 miles today and ive been having issues since 900 miles. this is one of the worst cars ive ever owned
I have the 23 sport sedan CVT. Iv watched all your videos and appreciate you documenting your experience. I too live in upstate New York. Are the issues you’ve expirenced unique to the hatchback manual, and do you/ the Honda community have recommendations on things I should look for in the car after a year of ownership? I want to make sure I’m not having some type Of QC issues without even realizing it. Some of the issues you’ve experience would have gone right over my head! Thanks
i just bought a 2024 civic lx , it was assembled in ontario canada. I have only driven 1000 miles at time of comment. I haven't noticed any problems so far. Can anyone give me a list of things I should look for that could be messed up, I've looked for: 1. any visible leaks, so far none. 2. Listened extensively at different speeds for rattles/ sounds. So far none. 3. No weird sticky steering, no display problems, 4. I've looked for misaligned panels( interior and exterior) 5. Checked transmission bell housing bolts looks good
The Indiana plant where they assemble these is one of Hondas newest plants, they do not have the long term reputation of well assembled Hondas in the Americas like the Canadian plant does.
my 2010 civic sedan was built at the Indiana plant in december 2009. it is 14 years old with 270,000 miles and its still a super solid car to this day.
I am pretty sure that Civic, Accords and CRVs are assembled in Marysville, OH (outside of Columbus, Ohio). I met someone that works there and told me that they have two plants and that Monday and Wednesday they do Civics and Tuesday and Thursdays Accords if I remember correctly.
@@dp01 I think only the Civic hatch and some other models are made at the Indiana Plant. The Sedans are the ones most likely made at the Canadian and Ohio plants.
If you read the google reviews, some have commented on working at the Indiana plant. It looks like they hired some temp workers who probably don’t care about QC at all or have given up because they are not getting hired on. It’s a mixed bag of reviews but yeah they need to get there shit together this is unacceptable. It would be nice to get some insight from someone that actually has or works there currently.
WTF man, I got a late 2022 EX tri right on Christmas. Drove it for 2000 miles and had a leaky transmission oil pan gasket. Got covered under warranty. Then at 12000 miles, I noticed both of my front struts were blown lmao. Also got replaced but in the process, the technician tore my outer CV boot... I went through an ordeal with the dealer then they agreed to fix it. Then finally, I got the recall last month to replace the steering rack. Luckily nothing went wrong. I felt like buying a new generation vehicle that was fresh out of the batch just like being a lab mouse. Not to mention having to pay money for being a lab mouse. Doing the testing for future improvements 😅
Used to be that the engines and transmissions were assembled in Japan and the rest of the car was assembled in the area of the market it was sold. But those were the good old days. Based on my personal experience , the Mazda 3 has been extremely reliable - 2001 - 375K kms - 2010 320K kms - 2018 110K kms so far. they were all running well with no major issues.
I have a recall on my 2019 Ridgeline for a defective fuel pump. They keep sending notices, but I can't get it fixed, because they don't have the parts to fix it. I called corporate, they don't know when the parts will be available. 🐂💩
Honda sales in Ireland have fallen 96.33% from 2007. I just checked that on the SIMI website for Irish car sales. The stats only go back to 2007, Honda sales were even better before then. Ireland is down from maybe 25 dealers to maybe 6 now, I say maybe because a few of the old ones still do aftersales but no new Hondas.
If you are looking for a new car with a 90's car feel in 2024 and you want something plain and basic that is port injected, stick shift, pretty good on gas and affordable and pretty good reliability look no further than a new 2024 Nissan Versa S 5MT. The only downside is the rear drum brakes ( but you get an actual hand brake) and slightly less quality parts than Honda but for the base price just 16,680 MSRP it seems like a good buy.
I bought a 24’ civic a month ago from Della Honda in New York with 9 miles on it, it’s got 2k now and is falling apart front bearings and brakes squeal like there bad metallic ringing like a loose heat shield since day 1 tons of issues surging jolting acceleration Honda says nothing is wrong
Warranty pay is maybe 40% what customer pay is at best! Therefore they would rather not accept Honda corporate's reimbursement for wrk done especially when they are either too lazy to do the paperwork or find the issue. Namely the diag on warranty issues is zero. What I would do if I was you in FORCE THEM to document and write up every single issue you find that you want checked and foxed. That way you can go to corporate pr lemon law and force them to do something. If anything is not documented then you are royally fucked later. Ask me how I know.
Auto manus don't give a ph#ck about quality anymore it seems. It's just too bad, Honda has built a reputation of solid quality in the past. Reminds me of current situation at Boeing. Maybe soon we'll hear about Honda whistleblowers being mysteriously run over by their Hondas.
This is from non-union, temp labor. I used to travel through the Columbus area in Ohio and they would always have radio commercials for help at that factory. The pay sucked too. Union shops limit temp labor or they'll strike.
Yeah, those union dominated US manufacturers are known for building reliable cars and trucks. Not. Now granted it can't all be set at the foot of the union laborers, the engineers and most importantly the penny-pinching execs share the blame as well. But stop it with notion that unions in general actually GAF about quality work.
I had a 2010 Honda civic. The engine and transmission was great BUT everything else fell apart on the thing. It was mostly a great car for the price and lasted over 200k miles, so I’m not really complaining but the car was pretty clapped out by 200k. So I’m not surprised by little oddities. Between the paint failing, the mirrors were loose, the little round vents on the corners of the dash would just blow out if I turned the air on high, the CD player quit working, the digital displays failed, all the weather stripping was rotten around 120k the seals for the trunk went bad. It just didn’t hold up as well as some other cars I’ve had. Again for the price at the time I got it, it was ok.
It's really sad I mean for the amount of money people have to pay for a vehicle these days nothing should rattle or go wrong for a long time and high milage.
What year was your car manufactured in? I traded in my 2018 WRX for a 2021 Sti during the height of COVID. I noticed that cars made during COVID had some serious quality control issues. Most were due to supply chain shortage and manufactures had to look elsewhere for parts. Assembly line workers were probably decreased due to social distancing and short staff.
I always say the 7th Gen Accord models are one of the best ones made. Ive seen few later models. Quality has gone down. Guess all models are suffering.
If you wanted longevity, then Toyota and Honda were always the go-to brands. Honda usually gave you better sportiness over Toyota. Honda really dropped the ball with the fuel dilution issues on their Earth Dreams 1.5 L turbo engine. Toyota seems to have better quality control. Honda has had some weaker automatic transmissions. Research is required. Basically, avoid the first year of any new engine or transmission.
It would be great if Honda reached out to regarding your issues and at the very least the dealership where you purchased your automobile but the unfortunate reality is once they have your money the automobile manufacturers and/or dealerships could careless and have moved on to their next sale.
I’m leasing mine and it has problems at 3.3k miles. I’m going to call the dealer today. If they won’t fix the stuff I’m going to have a lot of fun driving…
Here I am driving a 2016 VW Golf MK7 1.8t that's almost 9 years old and running a stage one tune that has had zero problems. When a VW is more reliable and better built than a Honda, well you know Honda quality has gone down hill.
It almost seems like cars are being rushed through production to meet demand at the expense of quality control! That's more of a factor with popular beands that built a solid repitation for quality over the years like Honda and even Toyota, which is a shame.
What does the VIN say the country of origin is? If you got bolts falling out and quality issues I'd guess Mexico but it looks like Civic's come out of Ohio. Where's she from?
Well I guess I'm one of the other folks with bad luck with these cars, the transmission synchros are of a very bad quality in my new 2024 Civic sport hatch 2.0L with under 4K miles. Rough shifting transmission specially on 2nd and 3rd with the rest of the gears not being as smooth as other used and new Manual cars I've driven throughout the years. It sucks because shifting is delayed by a fraction of a second 90% of time since the synchros don't match rev speeds as they should for smooth engagement causing a slight bump before engaging into the next gear.
You’ll get this car sort out soon. I appreciate all the videos you’ve made on it. I’m looking forward to seeing one on the intake and maybe the k tuner at some point.
In England, this used to be known as a Friday or POETS car (piss off early tomorrow's Saturday). I have a 2023 Civic ehev made in Japan and have had none of the issues that you, unfortunately, seem to have had is your car made outside of Japan.
Do you think this could be the source for the sounds you were hearing a while back? If I recall correctly you did mention rattles or some sounds from the bay.
Honda should design a magnet built in to that plastic lower tray to collect any loose bolts ...it may save the owner some $ on buying new bolts🤑 sad state of Honda lately fwiw my 2010 Pilot has no issues at 150k -except a failed camshaft -which known MAJOR issue on some J35 engines
Honda is loosing customers left n right. My wife had Honda HR-V 2024 and it vibrates big time. She took it to 3 different Honda dealership making it 6 times with no results. A lemon law lawyer is handling the case. Honda was known to be the most reliable brand and stylish. Now? I wouldn't be surprised if they would be the next brand to shut down
This isn't supposed to happen until the warranty is expired.
Lol
good one!
Bro that's no Golf
Lmao bruhhhhhh
Yes sir dang it 😅
“ Assembled on a Friday”
Definitely assembled on a Friday after 2
Assembled by gringos…sheer apathy…
Are you sure it’s not a Monday car?
When I picked up my new Honda dealer gave me a list of things that were checked under the hood. When I got home found out hood release was never hooked up. Could not release hood. How did my dealer check under the hood.😊
All I can say is NONonononowhahaHaHaHAHAHA!!! You believe people at the dealer!? They can dance on their mother's grave to get you to buy anything 😂😂😂😂
@@incognito5109 I've purchased a number of new vehicles by different manufacturers at different dealers, and all the dealers have proven to be untrustworthy in either - or both - sales and service.
@@incognito5109They would serve thwir own grandmother softserve outoftheirass and tell her it was chocolate.
My 2023 Passport. Hard to close hood. Fixed it finally. But not aligned evenly.
They checked it will it was in the car wash.
This is happening across every manufacturer. Cars aren't being built like they used to be. hold on to your old cars as long as you can.
And Honda dare to charge premium when quality has gone down
Just like McDonalds these days....
made in mexico shitter cars
Not surprised, we are seeing so many quality control issues at my dealer.
You work at a Honda dealer?
@@MeltingRubberZ28 I do
@@BCautosutions how long would you say you've been seeing these issues?
@@MeltingRubberZ28 post the cough cough event it’s been out of control
@@BCautosutionsPost Covid all management has tanked because the managers I suppose have plausible excuses. It really goes to management in my opinion no matter what. These guys have been acting in many companies like they are out to lunch or playing golf.
Just bought one 3 weeks ago , didn't think anything could go wrong yet . Thx for this vid I will be checking under the hood in the morning
I'm looking at your engine bay and drooling, so much room and so simple!
Yes that’s a big perk of this car, easy to work on!
When I brought my 23 touring last year the black piece that sits inside the fuel cap door wasn’t even attached to the door. Soon as I opened my fuel door it fell out.
I saw a missing bolt at my CRV
2018 Transmission pan when doing oils changed. But there is no leaks. I guess i have to revisit it again and get a new bolt. Look like something is telling me to find a new bolt, that is why i see your video. Thank you.👍
Contact Honda Japan and tell them to watch your video and explain to them your disappointment with your Civic ! I have a 2023 Civic si and I’ve had zero issues and it’s been amazing so far . Man I almost went with just the civic sport with the standard transmission and the basic 2.0 engine myself . Do yourself a favor and make the call and look on the door jam and see where your car was made , most likely Canada and call them also, Japan may want to send a tech to go over your car ? Maybe ? Don’t just let this go because Honda will want to squash this problem asap .
I remember when I brought a brand new 1976 Chevy Implala that the deferential gear oil plug was missing and when my father back up the car we saw a large quantity of gear oil came out. We paid $400.00 delivery prep but no one found this problem.
I have a 24 sport touring with a manual. While my car has not experienced any major issues in the 17000 miles I have driven it, there are multiple rattles and creaks which also make me question Honda’s commitment to quality. I have previously owned an 8th gen Civic and two generations of Mazda 3. I drove each of them for over 80,000 miles (130,000 in the case of the Civic) and none exhibited a single issue or even a single creak.
Nice video, it nice to hear real world owner experiences instead of going off trust in these large companies reputation no matter the brand.
This is fucked up. A bolt that holds the transmission to the engine just… came off!? WTF!
My Hondas are made in Japan, and I am glad I have had no such issues. I hear the Hondas made in Canada are just as reliable as the ones made in Japan, but at this point, I would never purchase one made in UK, US or Mexico.
The new European Hondas are not made in the UK, they all come from Japan now. Have a new one in the UK and it is faultless.
Facts
my japan built fit had issues with the driveshaft and ridiculous rusting lol
My Toyota was made in the US - zero issues in 11 years, but of course I cannot guarantee the QC remained the same. After all, we have all seen what is happening to Boeing.
Where they're manufactured is irrelevant. Honda doesn't stand behind their products.
I was randomly checking my automatic 2023 honda civic hatchback's hood , when my dad saw a random bolt lying on the same spot. I haven't had a problem before and I didn't think of it much and just ignored it thinking there shouldn't be something wrong since it's new. I probably should have been more worried. It wasn't the bolt that you had missing, so will be looking more closely on my next oil change. Thanks for the video
Wow. That's crazy. Like insane crazy. Smh quality control really taking a dive I see. Sad they really dnt make any cars like they used to. Ig that includes Hondas now. Aren't they assembled in the US these days for usdm? Regardless I'm glad you found it. That's definitely not a bolt you want loose
A Honda plant in Japan was closed down and so was one in England. Meanwhile the US people wanted to keep the jobs but they are 10x worse than the ones that were closed but they ARE CHEAPER. All Honda workers are NON-UNION and paid poorly.
Post pandemic most car makers in the USA have dropped in quality, especially Volvo. American workers don’t care anymore. The stimulus money and working from home and people making money on social media has ruined the under 35 crowd.
I think there might be some Boeing employees moonlighting at Honda.
Lmao bro
Are they whistle blowers 😢
Good catch! Will be checking under my '24 Sportback hood.
That's crazy. You could use a boroscope to visually inspect any hard to reach bolts to see if they are a least screwed all the way in.
Wowsers - and its got the black marker mark on the transmission itself at that bolt opening. Just bought an FL5 and hope I don't encounter QC issues such as these...
You won’t have any issues, yours was made in Japan where they care !
When I pulled my trans to put a new clutch in my 10gen si one of the trans bolts was cross threaded. Luckily it was one of the holes that passes through. So I was able to rethread and find a new bolt that was longer.
i had a cam shaft sensor issue on my FL5 driving home from the dealership, luckily it got replaced under warranty
Is it possible that that is what you were hearing vibrate/rattle when letting off the gas?
I thought so, but wasn’t it 😑
I got coolant leak from the radiator hose that connects to the cap. It’s not bad but you definitely see white spotting along the hose. It also looks like I’m low on oil. So I’m either leaking or burning at 3.3k miles. I get some creeks sometimes from the passenger shock. I get a turbine whistle sometimes at a slow creep after a stop. Maybe brake booster? Also so many rattles in the dash. Also birds love to poop on it, I think that might be because of the red color. I’m scared man. I’m calling the dealer today
Older Hondas be appreciating.
Neither Honda nor Toyota builds them with the pride that they used to, but their outdated reputation for quality persists.
When you an empty beer can inside the door panel, it's a Friday car, 100% I just bought the Sport Manual last month. So far, so good. 🤞
Your scaring me man about the newer Civic I have a 99 Civic Coupe been super reliable do almost all the work myself planning on getting a 2nd car in the next year and a half or two years(Still keeping the 99 Civic will be eligible for antique plates in 5 years) was thinking about another Civic but hearing this makes me concerned about getting something newer don't know if I should buy something older like a late 80s Accord LXI or early 90s CB7 Accord if I find one in good mechanical shape with no rust I can paint the car myself at home if the paint is bad or I don't like the color but will still definitely keep the 99 Civic Coupe.
Same happened to me on my 09 Fit....Intake Manifold was missing 2 bolts, lol.
Buy made in Japan. My 23 Integra had more assembly issues. I sold it after a few months just to avoid long term headache.
Yes, the location of the assembly plant does matter. I remember working at a VW dealership and when they had first started assembling Jettas in Mexico, we'd get cars with missing grab handles and the wrong owner's manual. Who knows what else could have been going wrong. I have two Mazdas now and I was glad to know that they were assembled in Japan. I know that doesn't guarantee that there will be no problems but it gives me peace of mind.
Assuming the paint mark on the bell housing was put on at the factory, it's supposed to mean that the bolt had been checked... Or not...
I am not surprised anymore. My 2024 Acura Integra went to dealership about 8 times within 8 months. Mostly quality control issues with assembly and interior panel misalignment which needed replacement(A-pillar rattle, door panel, air vent). Have a full list of issues that were taken care of(not without a fight), issues are still not fixed and issues that are waiting on parts. One mechanical where possibly a torque rod/rear engine mount rubber is separating from the sleeve.
How much are they fighting ya? Honda fought me for just about every single issue I found on mine in 2018
@@jamesmedina2062 There are many quality control issues which had to be caught at the factory. Items such as gaps in the armrest/door handle/misalignment of the interior panels - I had to argue that it isn't "within tolerances", still the dealership where I bought my car from, refused to do anything. Other issues they just can't hear, although of me documenting everything with info and videos. I first locate a rattle, make all the homework so the tech would spend less time, but even this isn't good enough. Some obvious things where the tech saw an item literally broken, they would replace. I just can't understand how a new car can have both front doors panels replaced(second door panel replacement on order) because of "manufacturing defect"? A passenger vent broken/loose internally and a pipe that connects to it be either disconnected or deformed? How can a headlight assembly be assembled in such as way that it would touch a fender and creak in colder months? Even glove box light/housing was damaged during install. What about a rear engine mount rubber separating from the sleeve? Oh, the persistent rattles ... countless and some of them just there, others depend on the temp outside. With weather getting warmer and when dashboard expands a bit, the frame/cutout for the heads-up display is making a loud creaking noise, just by driving over a normal undamaged pavement. I am considering other alternatives, unfortunately after having multiple Honda/Acura vehicles, however these were made in Japan and were true to their name brand.
Wow that is ridiculous. And I’ve been talking to my Acura dealer about an MDX for my wife, a new doctor and a TLX for myself and I’m a new doctor as well. Your experience sure makes me think twice. We have no time to be taking brand new expensive vehicles into service that often! We both have Mazdas now that have been bullet proof but we are wanting to upgrade. We consider Porsche Panamera and Porsche Macan but her and I think those are douche bag cars that are over the top while so many people are suffering now and using credit cards to get by. Maybe just get a couple of new to trim Mazdas.
@@2004cyrus Many new cars are made cheaper than old ones. I can't speak of very expensive vehicles, as I have never owned one. I owned 1995 Corolla, 2004 Corolla, 2003 TL(had couple of recalls), 2008 Scion xD(had 1 recall), 2016 VW GTI(one recall), 2016 MINI Cooper S(got rid of it in over a year because of issues) and 2010 Honda Fit and same year Acura RL. All of the aforementioned cars were pretty good except MINI. I did have 2023 or 24 TLX as a leaner couple of times for a day or 2 and funny thing is that when I would make a turn in the parking lot, front suspension or steering made a loud creaking noise. I told the dealer about it and she said yes, we know 😀 If you are unsure, lease the car first and then buy it afterwards if you like it. This way you will have time to "test drive" it.
@@2004cyrus Doctor I say to drive them all and just decide based on comfort, room, and driving dynamic you like. Don't be brand loyal as all vehicles today are virtuous. The people should take in car more during warranty as it is the last chance for free repairs. The dealership near you matters lots especially as you probably are the kind of guy to keep receipts and on top of maintenance. I look at things this way: Honda does engine, brakes and suspension on a very high level. Music can also come in well. Brands like Toyota do all things ok to good and durable. Rigid frames. Mazda is now pushing higher class and can be enjoyable. Just make sure you like the car in question! Some aches and pains are forgivable when you ❤️your ride and it puts a smile on your face.
Remember lemon law protects you from nightmares but are extremely unlikely with Honda, Toyota, or Mazda.
I just got a hatch and QC does seem to be lacking a bit on these cars. My doors don't line up all that well.
Mine was the same, take it to the dealer and have them fix it the sooner the better. I noticed mine were out of line and they realigned mine no charge.
Haven’t had any issues like this on the Accord, TLXs and MDXs I’ve had over that last 17 years.
The only problem I've had with my hatch over the past year is that the trunk latch wasn't catching when closing the hatch. It was like that since I got it. Other than that, I haven't had any other issues. It does seem like a lot of owners are having small quality control issues.
It's amazing. I recently bought a new car. And the main catalyst? Your videos. Months ago, I had commented on your Dislikes video because I was incredulous that it was a whopping 48 minutes. Regardless I watched it all (in sections). Multiple times. And then I started watching your other vides. And then I started shopping this car. And I test drove the car twice. You (and Zack) had me convinced that this was the best car out there (even though it had no sunroof). And I love Hondas (I was driving a 2017 TLX with 30,000 miles which I bought used in 2020 with 4,000 miles). But all of your videos are really good. So much great detail. So I love your channel. I didn't buy the Civic Sport Hatchback MT because I didn't like how far forward the shifter is. But the amazing part is that your current videos make me glad that I didn't pull the trigger. Oil gasket leaks and transmission bolts falling off? Sheesh. Happy I passed.
Appreciate your comment man and love for my videos! I try to make them in my very limited spare time as I have. 2&3 year old I’m raising. I know I could do better but my focus is to keep it real and transparent, I’m glad other are appreciating it!
Bays, thanks for sharing. I’ll be checking mine soon as my next oil change is due soon.
Jesus my buddy just has over 40 thousand kms on his 1.5 and the crank seal was leaking unreal
Its seeing stuff like this that makes me hold on to my 8th Gen Si. BTW did the bolt have any signs of black sharpie marker on it? From the looks of the bell housing it looks like at the factory(?) or somewhere else they were drawing marker lines over the tops of the fasteners. Sometimes this is done to identify if a bolt has backed out of position after its been torqued. The bolt that fell obviously backed out. I have to wonder if this was a known concern during assembly hence the use of the sharpies as part of "quality control."
its mainly marked to keep track that it was properly torqued. But the assemblers likely do it even if not torqued at all and some may do it to protest low wages.
All USA sold late model Honda Civics, "Proudly made in USA". It's a work culture problem
similar to GM, Ford, Chrysler, Boeing ...which is sad because US jobs are so highly paid to foreign labor competition. Yesterday reputation often has nothing to do with today's quality, people of yesterday have retired. It's you young liberal generation that is suppose to fix this so American manufacturing can compete. If you don't compete, you don't eat.
How do you even get or request a new Honda/Acura that was made in Japan in the U.S.?!
There was a Honda Accord ad before this video started
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listen im right there with ya on quality. i bought a 2024 sport sedan and my cvt is already failing, ive got electrical problems, and my driver side seat back is broke somewhere. the service writer get trying to downplay my problems as user error and they refuse to touch my car. my car just hit 2000 miles today and ive been having issues since 900 miles. this is one of the worst cars ive ever owned
Sorry to hear that😞
As a Honda fan boy this is extremely disappointing and frankly dangerous 😳
Poor quality high prices gotta love these times.
I have the 23 sport sedan CVT. Iv watched all your videos and appreciate you documenting your experience. I too live in upstate New York. Are the issues you’ve expirenced unique to the hatchback manual, and do you/ the Honda community have recommendations on things I should look for in the car after a year of ownership? I want to make sure I’m not having some type
Of QC issues without even realizing it. Some of the issues you’ve experience would have gone right over my head! Thanks
i just bought a 2024 civic lx , it was assembled in ontario canada. I have only driven 1000 miles at time of comment. I haven't noticed any problems so far. Can anyone give me a list of things I should look for that could be messed up, I've looked for:
1. any visible leaks, so far none.
2. Listened extensively at different speeds for rattles/ sounds. So far none.
3. No weird sticky steering, no display problems,
4. I've looked for misaligned panels( interior and exterior)
5. Checked transmission bell housing bolts looks good
Sounds like your car is good to me! Enjoy it !
The Indiana plant where they assemble these is one of Hondas newest plants, they do not have the long term reputation of well assembled Hondas in the Americas like the Canadian plant does.
my 2010 civic sedan was built at the Indiana plant in december 2009. it is 14 years old with 270,000 miles and its still a super solid car to this day.
I am pretty sure that Civic, Accords and CRVs are assembled in Marysville, OH (outside of Columbus, Ohio). I met someone that works there and told me that they have two plants and that Monday and Wednesday they do Civics and Tuesday and Thursdays Accords if I remember correctly.
@@dp01 I think only the Civic hatch and some other models are made at the Indiana Plant. The Sedans are the ones most likely made at the Canadian and Ohio plants.
If you read the google reviews, some have commented on working at the Indiana plant. It looks like they hired some temp workers who probably don’t care about QC at all or have given up because they are not getting hired on. It’s a mixed bag of reviews but yeah they need to get there shit together this is unacceptable. It would be nice to get some insight from someone that actually has or works there currently.
WTF man, I got a late 2022 EX tri right on Christmas. Drove it for 2000 miles and had a leaky transmission oil pan gasket. Got covered under warranty. Then at 12000 miles, I noticed both of my front struts were blown lmao. Also got replaced but in the process, the technician tore my outer CV boot... I went through an ordeal with the dealer then they agreed to fix it.
Then finally, I got the recall last month to replace the steering rack. Luckily nothing went wrong. I felt like buying a new generation vehicle that was fresh out of the batch just like being a lab mouse. Not to mention having to pay money for being a lab mouse. Doing the testing for future improvements 😅
Used to be that the engines and transmissions were assembled in Japan and the rest of the car was assembled in the area of the market it was sold. But those were the good old days. Based on my personal experience , the Mazda 3 has been extremely reliable - 2001 - 375K kms - 2010 320K kms - 2018 110K kms so far. they were all running well with no major issues.
Those were all built pre Covid so I’m sure they still are good! Post Covid cars have tanked!
2012 civic with 112k miles, just changed my belt and belt tensioner, oil change and spark plugs, filters… runs like new.
I have a recall on my 2019 Ridgeline for a defective fuel pump. They keep sending notices, but I can't get it fixed, because they don't have the parts to fix it. I called corporate, they don't know when the parts will be available. 🐂💩
Which manufacturer plant built your car? On the vin its the 7th from last and is a letter.
It’s from greensburg Indiana
@@NAUS2K yay me too. Guess I'll start checking bolts...
Where was it manufactured?
Good ol USA!
Honda sales in Ireland have fallen 96.33% from 2007.
I just checked that on the SIMI website for Irish car sales.
The stats only go back to 2007, Honda sales were even better before then. Ireland is down from maybe 25 dealers to maybe 6 now, I say maybe because a few of the old ones still do aftersales but no new Hondas.
starting to become a little hesitant toward a civic hatch
I have had more issues than most. I still think it’s a great car, just lacks a lot of QC. I guess that’s just what 26k buys you in 2024 😑
If you are looking for a new car with a 90's car feel in 2024 and you want something plain and basic that is port injected, stick shift, pretty good on gas and affordable and pretty good reliability look no further than a new 2024 Nissan Versa S 5MT. The only downside is the rear drum brakes ( but you get an actual hand brake) and slightly less quality parts than Honda but for the base price just 16,680 MSRP it seems like a good buy.
FYI, this generation of Civic hatchbacks (LX, Sport, EX, Touring) are made in US. The sedans are made in Ontario Canada.
Yes , this car was assembled in Indiana
I bought a 24’ civic a month ago from Della Honda in New York with 9 miles on it, it’s got 2k now and is falling apart front bearings and brakes squeal like there bad metallic ringing like a loose heat shield since day 1 tons of issues surging jolting acceleration Honda says nothing is wrong
Warranty pay is maybe 40% what customer pay is at best! Therefore they would rather not accept Honda corporate's reimbursement for wrk done especially when they are either too lazy to do the paperwork or find the issue. Namely the diag on warranty issues is zero. What I would do if I was you in FORCE THEM to document and write up every single issue you find that you want checked and foxed. That way you can go to corporate pr lemon law and force them to do something. If anything is not documented then you are royally fucked later. Ask me how I know.
is this car assembled in Japan? Check the sticker at the driver side door jam.
No it’s assembled in Indiana , USA
I used to be a honda tech
And I don't recommend any honda over 2015
Auto manus don't give a ph#ck about quality anymore it seems. It's just too bad, Honda has built a reputation of solid quality in the past. Reminds me of current situation at Boeing. Maybe soon we'll hear about Honda whistleblowers being mysteriously run over by their Hondas.
I don't regret buying my wife's Honda civic..
I've had 2 Honda fits without issues.
Its under warranty. But i will check unde the hood this weekend
This is from non-union, temp labor. I used to travel through the Columbus area in Ohio and they would always have radio commercials for help at that factory. The pay sucked too. Union shops limit temp labor or they'll strike.
Yeah, those union dominated US manufacturers are known for building reliable cars and trucks. Not. Now granted it can't all be set at the foot of the union laborers, the engineers and most importantly the penny-pinching execs share the blame as well. But stop it with notion that unions in general actually GAF about quality work.
@@tkin1973 IDK, I've never had bolts fall out of any of my domestics; actually, zero assembly issues.
I had a 2010 Honda civic. The engine and transmission was great BUT everything else fell apart on the thing. It was mostly a great car for the price and lasted over 200k miles, so I’m not really complaining but the car was pretty clapped out by 200k. So I’m not surprised by little oddities. Between the paint failing, the mirrors were loose, the little round vents on the corners of the dash would just blow out if I turned the air on high, the CD player quit working, the digital displays failed, all the weather stripping was rotten around 120k the seals for the trunk went bad. It just didn’t hold up as well as some other cars I’ve had. Again for the price at the time I got it, it was ok.
It's really sad I mean for the amount of money people have to pay for a vehicle these days nothing should rattle or go wrong for a long time and high milage.
What year was your car manufactured in? I traded in my 2018 WRX for a 2021 Sti during the height of COVID. I noticed that cars made during COVID had some serious quality control issues. Most were due to supply chain shortage and manufactures had to look elsewhere for parts. Assembly line workers were probably decreased due to social distancing and short staff.
Final assembly in early 2023
I wonder if this could have been your 4-5000 rpm rattle buzz noise you were hearing??
Nope ! Wasn’t it
@@NAUS2K enjoy your videos.
I always say the 7th Gen Accord models are one of the best ones made. Ive seen few later models. Quality has gone down. Guess all models are suffering.
Have seen some new Honda cars in recent years,showing rust prematurely.
If you wanted longevity, then Toyota and Honda were always the go-to brands. Honda usually gave you better sportiness over Toyota. Honda really dropped the ball with the fuel dilution issues on their Earth Dreams 1.5 L turbo engine. Toyota seems to have better quality control. Honda has had some weaker automatic transmissions. Research is required. Basically, avoid the first year of any new engine or transmission.
yet the new turbo v6s in toyota trucks has a high failure rate - what happened to camrys etc that ran forever
I'd be bolting down every bolt visible, that's just crazy SMH LOL
I have a 22 sport just hit 50k miles and no issues other than Sticky steering. Waiting for the recall. Other than that been great
It would be great if Honda reached out to regarding your issues and at the very least the dealership where you purchased your automobile but the unfortunate reality is once they have your money the automobile manufacturers and/or dealerships could careless and have moved on to their next sale.
honda dealers are pretty rough to work with, especially in NY
I’m leasing mine and it has problems at 3.3k miles. I’m going to call the dealer today. If they won’t fix the stuff I’m going to have a lot of fun driving…
Aren’t these assembled at the marysville plant in Ohio?
No, Indiana USA
@@NAUS2K Oh, that actually makes more sense then lol.
Made in usa factory ?
Here I am driving a 2016 VW Golf MK7 1.8t that's almost 9 years old and running a stage one tune that has had zero problems. When a VW is more reliable and better built than a Honda, well you know Honda quality has gone down hill.
Your VW is an anomaly. But mine have been great too.
Ever since Honda started assembling outside of Japan, their assembly quality sadly is low.
Where was your honda built?
I wonder if Mazda 3 quality is better?
I’m sure it has an edge lately
Was that the cause for the engine rattle 3 months ago?
Nope, not at all unfortunately
That's pretty scary, but really just comical. Love Honda but that is pretty wild.
I actually laughed, but the I chided myself for doing so as I would be upset if that happened to me.
It almost seems like cars are being rushed through production to meet demand at the expense of quality control! That's more of a factor with popular beands that built a solid repitation for quality over the years like Honda and even Toyota, which is a shame.
Where are they built?
Indiana, USA
@@NAUS2K ahh there is the problem then. Buy the type R = Japan
What does the VIN say the country of origin is? If you got bolts falling out and quality issues I'd guess Mexico but it looks like Civic's come out of Ohio. Where's she from?
Greensburg, Indiana. Good Ol Made in the USA
They will say the tray caught the bolt, so it did its job….
Every time you post a video about a QC issue I go and check mine out lol. Ugh… is the MT manufactured in a different facility than the CVT?
The Civic Hatch is assembled at the Indiana plant which is Hondas newer plant in the Americas.
I have the same car and have had no issues at all. I think you just have bad luck.
Well I guess I'm one of the other folks with bad luck with these cars, the transmission synchros are of a very bad quality in my new 2024 Civic sport hatch 2.0L with under 4K miles. Rough shifting transmission specially on 2nd and 3rd with the rest of the gears not being as smooth as other used and new Manual cars I've driven throughout the years. It sucks because shifting is delayed by a fraction of a second 90% of time since the synchros don't match rev speeds as they should for smooth engagement causing a slight bump before engaging into the next gear.
Yikes! Sorry man. I’m sure that takes away from your confidence in the car even more. I just checked mine and all seems good.
You’ll get this car sort out soon. I appreciate all the videos you’ve made on it. I’m looking forward to seeing one on the intake and maybe the k tuner at some point.
Intake video to be released Saturday, tons of detail in the video so no questions left unanswered !
Youre paying for the added benefit of the loose bolts ending up on the skid plate waiting for you to find it as a little surprise
In England, this used to be known as a Friday or POETS car (piss off early tomorrow's Saturday). I have a 2023 Civic ehev made in Japan and have had none of the issues that you, unfortunately, seem to have had is your car made outside of Japan.
What country was this Honda assembled in?
Good ol USA
WOW! Crazy. When I bought my Forester in 2010, the starter was loose. I'm wondering, where was your car assembled?
That’s odd. Wasn’t your Forester built in Japan? His Honda was built in Indiana.
Dosnt make sense. Somebody must have unscrewed it and left it on the ledge beside it. Surely it couldn't have been an accident?????
Do you think this could be the source for the sounds you were hearing a while back? If I recall correctly you did mention rattles or some sounds from the bay.
I’m was hoping so, but unfortunately it had no affect on the noises
I would sell that trash immediately
Honda should design a magnet built in to that plastic lower tray to collect any loose bolts ...it may save the owner some $ on buying new bolts🤑 sad state of Honda lately
fwiw my 2010 Pilot has no issues at 150k -except a failed camshaft -which known MAJOR issue on some J35 engines
They just don't make them like they used to... RIP Honda
Honda is loosing customers left n right. My wife had Honda HR-V 2024 and it vibrates big time. She took it to 3 different Honda dealership making it 6 times with no results. A lemon law lawyer is handling the case. Honda was known to be the most reliable brand and stylish. Now? I wouldn't be surprised if they would be the next brand to shut down
Hondas are below average and falling fast. They are living on their reputation only.
@user-tb7rn1il3q you said and so true 👍. Sad really. I mean look at the Accored it looks like a boat
@@martinpolanco5681the new Accord is very smooth