Veno goes insane, he has no issues lasthitting, trading, nor farming jungle. All that on top of becoming tanky himself and being able to literally assassinate tanky enemies. Crazy stuff.
@Danvari I played my first game with him last night, horrible team comp n coordination as well as I got dumpstered mid but just went jungle right away n then destroyed everything I came across. All while not playing well either. He's ridiculous atm
People sleeping on Lone Druid Facet 3, imagine practically getting full kitted having only 3 items. Then you can start building your bear to help you by getting cuirass and situational items.
this may be the reason i am winning lots of games recently as Viper offlane. They keep picking these melee pos1 even in Ancient bracket, easily bullied by Viper in lane
@epicstudios142536 yeah falls off in late game but if the enemy depends too much on their meelee pos1, especially the one that u can kite easily with just pike and bkb, they will stand no chance as your pos1 and pos2 will still do the most damage. As Viper offlane, your main goal to make enemy pos1's lane miserable. In mid game, u can rush shard so your team can easily take all T2 towers and maybe a force staff so they cannot easily burst you. Just go build items like force staff + magslayer or shiva, depending on your matchup. You deal a lot of damage even without building any damage item, just focus on staying alive and some utility items, let your pos1 and pos2 do the damage
Any thoughts on Viper with his new predator innate? I've had good results at low legend, as he destroys enemy offlanes, can usually handle gank potential of mid and late game his break and corrosive skin feels great in man fights.
Current popular offlaners like Axe and Timber are countered by MK but it's also a hero that can play at two gears of aggression and farm. His Simian Stride facet is still strong too So I think he's still good for most, albeit not the most winning carry right now
Im a little bit disagree about WR. If u choose the other ulti facet, WR will become the farm machine and can farm ancient stack at level 6, also deal more AOE damage in combat
@@TorteDeLini 2 weeks late but i disagree, the whirlwind facet is a monster for carry/offlane in like 40% of wr games. could even viable as mid with right team composition. tried myself as & vs it. and its kinda op in its on way. with daedalus gleipnir bkb + blink. you could just delete out of position supports within 2 secs and move on to other target. even deleting all 5 if they're close.
I think you all right about this heroes, but i would not put Morph in S tier just because he has a lot of counters, only if midlaner gives you a last pick. Nyx(early game specially), Anti Mage(mana burn), even when Morphling activate bkb for mana burn AM can blink out, if he bloodthroon him, he can dispell it by manta and before fight he can easily burn mana with illusions(Agamni’s Scepter). Also Tiny’s Toss with Khanda deal a lot of damage, he can survive late game with Satanic, to heal up after Toss(Khanda + Echo Sabre). Shadow Fiend can hunt him early game with Euls and ulty(1 shot). I would also put here Phantom Lancer even if he has counters(aoe magic damage and cleave), if he doesnt have counters, its very very hard to deal with him. Also i would put here Troll. He is counter for almost every meele hero with his passive root and high attack speed(passive) + battle trance. Sven is very very hardly avoiding to face with him. Anyway, thank you again for your work, builds, build updates and videos. Good luck in work :)
PL is utterly garbage right now... the changes basically killed the hero. Even after the bugfixes he's still down 7-8% winrate from 7.36c. His winrate starts bad in low ranks and only gets worse as you go higher. -2% illusion damage on divergence (the facet you took) -5% on spirit lance illusion damage, -10% on aghs spirit lance illusion damage (the item you rush every single game) no innate phantom rush -5% illusion damage from ult -4% illusion damage from lvl 20 talent lost 20% crit chance talent (the one you took) bloodthorn damage on illusion hits halved (ouch) small manta nerf small heart/eternal shroud nerf crimson guard still insanely strong all so now you can build... damage items? on PL? What do you even want to buy? khanda maybe? what else? The hero synergizes with attack speed because more attack speed = more illusions = more attacks = more illusions. You're not going to NOT buy aghs, because it's one of the best aghs in the game. You're not going to NOT buy diffusal because it's one of the best illusion items in the game. Radiance is mediocre because it's not like the burns stack with all of your illusions, and it provides none of the much-needed attack speed. Plus, in the games where radiance is reasonable, you want butterfly anyway...
@@peterkirk8510 Those things you said are all facts and i agree now that he is not high tier hero anymore. But with Diffiusual, Manta, Agha and Hearth(as core), i still think he can burn fine amount of mana, do damage(not big as before) and have survabillity. He can also get skadi, offensive/deffensive item, or rush butterfly or bloodthroon. There is also Mage Slayer if he needs magic resistance and to have more attack speed, which means more ilussions and stronger illusions. My opinion now is that last pick of that hero(when opponets 4 picks are not cleave and aoe magic damage) can be fine and he can carry the game(specially late game), but he needs space, which is bad, specially in pub games.
@@miloskovacevic5181 Yeah, of course, but if you're playing that build it's just a hugely nerfed version of 7.36c pl, which was good, but not good enough to survive those nerfs. If you make it that late in the game, he's very very solid, but making it there is the problem
Idc I will still rock picking my trusty and comfort Pudge pos 1. Great Video though, Torte! Matchup knowledge is absolutely necessary even if I don't necessarily want to pick and learn these heroes at the moment.
I play Pudge Pos 3, usually Flayer’s Hook. I usually rush Blink so I don’t have to rely on my Hook to initiate and make plays. What do you build? I’m Crusader in SEA.
How come you said "along side dota2 pro tracker" but you never pull it up, and almost none of the heroes you mention line up with what I'm seeing on D2PT?
Ranged heroes are suffering if they're not called Windranger. I think Medusa has merit but is so easily outplayed and takes a lot of time to build up. Her laning isn't as simple as these heroes
Current popular offlaners like Axe and Timber are countered by MK but it's also a hero that can play at two gears of aggression and farm. His Simian Stride facet is still strong too
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I'm seeing Veno rise in popularity as a core the past few days, idk if I would say he's meta but he hits HARD atm until they fix him.
Veno getting aghs is just a damage machine
Veno goes insane, he has no issues lasthitting, trading, nor farming jungle. All that on top of becoming tanky himself and being able to literally assassinate tanky enemies. Crazy stuff.
@Danvari I played my first game with him last night, horrible team comp n coordination as well as I got dumpstered mid but just went jungle right away n then destroyed everything I came across. All while not playing well either. He's ridiculous atm
@@Phike9391what facet?
I really miss the old aghs/ultimate as poison nova is such an iconic spell 😢
People sleeping on Lone Druid Facet 3, imagine practically getting full kitted having only 3 items. Then you can start building your bear to help you by getting cuirass and situational items.
He'll be mentioned
I hate myself for never having patience to learn Morph. Looks like fun hero to play, but I always mess up with atr shift😢
Same tbh. I just don't wanna mess up with my ult
this may be the reason i am winning lots of games recently as Viper offlane.
They keep picking these melee pos1 even in Ancient bracket, easily bullied by Viper in lane
He's a magic lane dominator versus heroes who are mostly physical survival
What build are you usually going on offlaner viper? I feel like offlaner viper falls off hard mid-late
@epicstudios142536 yeah falls off in late game but if the enemy depends too much on their meelee pos1, especially the one that u can kite easily with just pike and bkb, they will stand no chance as your pos1 and pos2 will still do the most damage.
As Viper offlane, your main goal to make enemy pos1's lane miserable. In mid game, u can rush shard so your team can easily take all T2 towers and maybe a force staff so they cannot easily burst you.
Just go build items like force staff + magslayer or shiva, depending on your matchup. You deal a lot of damage even without building any damage item, just focus on staying alive and some utility items, let your pos1 and pos2 do the damage
That's Viper in general. He does fall off eventually
@@alexcoroza4518have u tried the dagon build?
Any thoughts on Viper with his new predator innate? I've had good results at low legend, as he destroys enemy offlanes, can usually handle gank potential of mid and late game his break and corrosive skin feels great in man fights.
He's great but past midgame he still falls off. Currently meta is aura carriers for Offlane so he doesn't fit in
What do you think about MK? Is hs still viable for this patch?
Current popular offlaners like Axe and Timber are countered by MK but it's also a hero that can play at two gears of aggression and farm. His Simian Stride facet is still strong too
So I think he's still good for most, albeit not the most winning carry right now
Can you talk about supports heroes? What do you think about Tinker as pos 4 or 5?
Coming after Offlaners which I am writing now
Im a little bit disagree about WR. If u choose the other ulti facet, WR will become the farm machine and can farm ancient stack at level 6, also deal more AOE damage in combat
The issue is that WR then sucks in fights and her AoE damage Is still substantially less than if she just focused on one hero.
@@TorteDeLini 2 weeks late but i disagree, the whirlwind facet is a monster for carry/offlane in like 40% of wr games. could even viable as mid with right team composition. tried myself as & vs it. and its kinda op in its on way. with daedalus gleipnir bkb + blink. you could just delete out of position supports within 2 secs and move on to other target. even deleting all 5 if they're close.
What are your thoughts on Luna after the recent patch?
You can check out my full 7.37 video review ♥️
Hi, what do you think of PA this patch. Thanks !
One of my honourable mentions. Viable with the methodical facet but you'll need the shard when playing versus DK
@@TorteDeLini everyone really appreciates what you are doing, wish you alot of success my friend ❤
@@simeonlubenov5826 thank you ♥️
i've been following your guides since like 2013... i'm surprised your channels aren't more popular.
Please share my videos 🙏🏼
Kudos to Torte de Lini for always keeping up to date with the hero guides!
More to come!
I think you all right about this heroes, but i would not put Morph in S tier just because he has a lot of counters, only if midlaner gives you a last pick. Nyx(early game specially), Anti Mage(mana burn), even when Morphling activate bkb for mana burn AM can blink out, if he bloodthroon him, he can dispell it by manta and before fight he can easily burn mana with illusions(Agamni’s Scepter). Also Tiny’s Toss with Khanda deal a lot of damage, he can survive late game with Satanic, to heal up after Toss(Khanda + Echo Sabre). Shadow Fiend can hunt him early game with Euls and ulty(1 shot). I would also put here Phantom Lancer even if he has counters(aoe magic damage and cleave), if he doesnt have counters, its very very hard to deal with him. Also i would put here Troll. He is counter for almost every meele hero with his passive root and high attack speed(passive) + battle trance. Sven is very very hardly avoiding to face with him. Anyway, thank you again for your work, builds, build updates and videos. Good luck in work :)
You are 100% right, there's a cut part of the script that highlights Morph only works on an ideal lineup
PL is utterly garbage right now... the changes basically killed the hero. Even after the bugfixes he's still down 7-8% winrate from 7.36c. His winrate starts bad in low ranks and only gets worse as you go higher.
-2% illusion damage on divergence (the facet you took)
-5% on spirit lance illusion damage, -10% on aghs spirit lance illusion damage (the item you rush every single game)
no innate phantom rush
-5% illusion damage from ult
-4% illusion damage from lvl 20 talent
lost 20% crit chance talent (the one you took)
bloodthorn damage on illusion hits halved (ouch)
small manta nerf
small heart/eternal shroud nerf
crimson guard still insanely strong
all so now you can build... damage items? on PL? What do you even want to buy? khanda maybe? what else? The hero synergizes with attack speed because more attack speed = more illusions = more attacks = more illusions. You're not going to NOT buy aghs, because it's one of the best aghs in the game. You're not going to NOT buy diffusal because it's one of the best illusion items in the game. Radiance is mediocre because it's not like the burns stack with all of your illusions, and it provides none of the much-needed attack speed. Plus, in the games where radiance is reasonable, you want butterfly anyway...
@@peterkirk8510 Those things you said are all facts and i agree now that he is not high tier hero anymore. But with Diffiusual, Manta, Agha and Hearth(as core), i still think he can burn fine amount of mana, do damage(not big as before) and have survabillity. He can also get skadi, offensive/deffensive item, or rush butterfly or bloodthroon. There is also Mage Slayer if he needs magic resistance and to have more attack speed, which means more ilussions and stronger illusions. My opinion now is that last pick of that hero(when opponets 4 picks are not cleave and aoe magic damage) can be fine and he can carry the game(specially late game), but he needs space, which is bad, specially in pub games.
@@miloskovacevic5181 Yeah, of course, but if you're playing that build it's just a hugely nerfed version of 7.36c pl, which was good, but not good enough to survive those nerfs. If you make it that late in the game, he's very very solid, but making it there is the problem
@@peterkirk8510 Yea. Thats why i am not playing him in pub games, very risky. He needs huge space.
Are you going to make video for offlane ?
It's next, yes
Idc I will still rock picking my trusty and comfort Pudge pos 1. Great Video though, Torte! Matchup knowledge is absolutely necessary even if I don't necessarily want to pick and learn these heroes at the moment.
Pudge is good, love him, needs a bit of items this patch though
I play Pudge Pos 3, usually Flayer’s Hook. I usually rush Blink so I don’t have to rely on my Hook to initiate and make plays.
What do you build?
I’m Crusader in SEA.
What do you think about broodmother?
Since the bloodthorn nerf and now heroes that splash midgame, broodmother kinda falls off. She's so easily caught
Thanks for the guide..
Thanks for this!❤
You're so welcome!
How about MK or Ember?
Ember is OP af
Meta summary makes me dizzy watching it . thank you for awesome guide!
torte de lini, where is tortilla the delicacy?
Offlane next pls i have a tournament on Sunday
Working on it now.
How come you said "along side dota2 pro tracker" but you never pull it up, and almost none of the heroes you mention line up with what I'm seeing on D2PT?
At the time of the video, it did.
Next week's video will be about #1 carry: Lina
Love how both Sven and DK are so versatile. Literally you can first pick them
What about medusa?
Ranged heroes are suffering if they're not called Windranger. I think Medusa has merit but is so easily outplayed and takes a lot of time to build up. Her laning isn't as simple as these heroes
@@TorteDeLini thanks
man i want to see spectre getting back to meta
and also phantom lancer too
Pl is cringe 🤢
Quality content as always. 💯
I'm surprised there's no lina
For Pos 1? Pos 2 yes
Good job on getting it all covered dude, keep up the good work and hope you're doing well :)
Why is there a lot of players still playing MK?
Current popular offlaners like Axe and Timber are countered by MK but it's also a hero that can play at two gears of aggression and farm. His Simian Stride facet is still strong too
@@TorteDeLini Ohh, I thought it was nerfed so hard. So it's for pos 1&2 only?
You can still roll Pos 4
I’m here for Dragon Knight 😂😂
Such a chill hero
Drow ranger bad at this patch?
I personally like her, just ranged cores are not as able to survive versus some meta heroes
So sick keep it up
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Hi
Terrorblade player keep away from the game haha
I hope my friend stop picking AM after i recommend this video.
AM kinda sucks now but in most pubs, he's safe