1st Time DIY Welding a WHEEL ARCH & it's on a Rolls Royce - Trying to FIX a Silver Spirit PART 19
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- PART 19 of this New Series. This is the next episode where I attempt to MIG weld a new rear wheel arch into the Rolls Royce Silver Spirit. I have NEVER attempted to do a wheel arch before. This is split over 2 parts, part 19 on this video and part 18 here • 1st Time DIY Welding a... You have to watch PART 18 first to understand what is going on in PART 19.
My biggest challenge yet! Can I FIX a 1988 Rolls Royce Silver Spirit with too many faults to list, there is more wrong with it than right. Will I end up crying into my Connolly leather seats or will this beast live on.
This is the cheapest Rolls Royce in the UK so I wasn't expecting much, hopefully bit by bit with sheer determination and zero skill I will attempt to fix each fault one by one.
This is PART 19 of this series. Every part will be filmed, and I hope to discover the craftmanship that has gone into this 34 year old moving piece of art.
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Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things. I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things, so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series. Many thanks, Vince.
Model makers Tip for painting with a spray can: put the can in some luke warm water and let the can get luke warm before you start spraying. The paint will come out better and more consistent.
also try and spray in shorter bursts spray and stop go back spray and stop
thankyou for typing this as i was gonna say this too XD :)
Also - some coats take better when heat treated - aircraft paint is put on and heated for hours on end with giant infrared lamps (like the terrace heater ones)
Thanks. Your great tip has generated a lot of really useful info.
Thank you will try this.
Can't argue with the result. It's looking real good. Well done on this Vince.
Cheers Shawn 👌
these journeys are such a roller coaster. I was disappointed at the filler finish along with you to begin with. then when it started looking good, it was such a relief. I am enjoying this series immensely. keep up the good work Vince!
Cheers Andy 👍
Let me share a little revelation:
I've been watching your channel for several years now, somewhere between the Mr Telephone and my mate Vince transition.
When you started doing your "try to fix" videos I enjoyed those a lot, your engagement with your audience and the way you share your thought process it made me feel as if we were doing the stuff together, at first I thought that the enticing part was to see how you never gave up and even did several revisits, but lately I realized that the best part of the channel and your videos is the fact that you are learning bit by bit along the way, both from the community and from your experiences.
That's it, that's my revelation, we are learning a lot with this car and I'm enjoying the trip all the way through.
Thank you Vanerek, cheers for the long term support 👍👍👍👍
i was just ending the video and thinking the same thing , reading the comments and thinking about how much research has to been put into these kind of videos is going above and beyond
@@TD75 not necessarily, one can represent plain stubbornness, while the other can appear by itself, check smart people with low self esteem.
And while they can appear by themselves, I agree that they're not mutually exclusive
Wait till you see a Ferrari after this 😁
Hello Vince.
I am a bodyworker myself and i am watching youre videos frequently. Its very nice to see you doing such a great job on the wheel arch. For a first timer its really not bad!! Keep up the good work😁👍
Ps. A quick tip for your finnish inside the wedge of your wheel arch where the panel is welder. I pesonally use seam sealer for the nice insulation of the panel overlap inside to prefent dirt and water comming true the 2 layers. It also gives you a nice finnish for water to drop very nicely and to prefent dirt from clogging up the whole inside of the wedge.
Sorry for my bad grammer of word use, im from the Netherlands and my english isn,t that great😅
Your tips are great and your English is not as bad as you might think it is . At least you have made the effort to learn English unlike us Brits who are lazy about it . I tried one of the hardest , Russian , gave up as it was to difficult )))
@@UserUser-ww2nj I'm trying to learn Russian too. I've picked up a fair few words but I admit it's not easy! I think you just have to commit to set aside some time each day for learning and eventually you'll get there. Easier said than done I know, but nothing worth having is easy 🙂
@@trance_trousers Setting aside time is a good idea . One of the things i was told was to try to stay relaxed and you will absorb more .
" пожалуйста " is one of the strange words , it can mean "Please " or "You are welcome " , a useful word to know " это " is another quirky word that covers " this is , , that is , it is " etc . Lots more like that .
If you know the "Bald and Bankrupt " channel you will have seen him speaking Russian very fluently, he had a Belarusian wife ( maybe the reason he went bankrupt 😄. He talked about it once and said forget about the grammar , just learn the words and pronunciation .
pronunciation ? , that is another thing . You have to convince your mouth to perform gymnastics and form the words in a way that is unfamiliar .
Good luck with the learning
@@UserUser-ww2nj staying relaxed is a good idea too as it can get very frustrating at times! Yes some words have more than one meaning depending on context, but I suppose the understanding comes with time and experience. I've watched that Bald & Bankrupt video myself several times and it gave me hope that I might one day be able to speak as fluently as he does, but that's still a LONG way off! Even just learning the vocabulary is hard sometimes never mind learning the grammar as well! As for the pronunciation, you're right, you have to train your mouth to make different shapes and sounds when speaking. Whenever I say a word or phrase in my head it sounds great, but sometimes if I try to say it out loud it sounds awful! Luckily there's lots of help online, and in particular on TH-cam from the likes of Daria (Real Russian Club) and Fedor (Be Fluent In Russian). Maybe you'll change your mind and start learning again. Think of the pride and satisfaction if you learn to speak it! Хорошего дня 🙂
@@trance_trousers Спасибо
Get yourself a flap disc for your grinder Vince, a lot of the grinding back would have been easier with one of those because they kind of follow the shape better.
Two tips I learned from seasoned welders: if you can't weld good, weld alot.. and a grinder works great for the welder you ain't.. all in all you are aces my mate Vince ! Love your videos keep them coming 👍👍👍👍
Can I say I really admire your attitude to noise, particularly in a built up area like your dads. If only everyone was as considerate as you!!!❤
Vince you’re doing amazing job, well done for having the balls to do what you do thanks
Tip for holding panels tightly in place.
Use cleco tempory pins in some drilled holes and when the panel becomes more attached take them out and fill the holes with weld.
No more trying to push the panel with wood or using clamps that don't quite fit.
There're clever, just watched a video on them, like a reusable rivet. Cheers Adelle 👍👌
Throughout I was thinking it looked like a really good job and all the time you sounded so downhearted! Glad you changed your mind by the end but don’t be so down on yourself! You’ve cut the rusty arch away, welded a new one in, filled the gaps, sanded it down and sprayed it up and that’s something I couldn’t even dream of doing! Great work!
You treat us too much, 2 videos in a day. I can't get enough of My Mate Vince.
For a first timer doing body work, not a bad go at all. A high quality filler and high build primer helps a fair bit too. Even with the professionals it's; filler, sand, filler, sand, lose your mind, filler, sand. Keep up the good work Vince!
Hahaha, it's so so so time consuming!!!! Cheers Tony 👌
What a fantastic job, especially for someone that's never done this and working out of a driveway. When you first showed that wheelwell, and all that crumbly rusted up metal, I thought wow, that's gonna be a nightmare to try and fix, but sure enough, you did a fantastic restoration.
Really respect you Vince for considering the welding noise for other people. I have delt with people who ran a table saw all day long.
Mean while there's been neighbours kids screaming in the background on most videos...
Great work Vince, to get the texture you are looking for with the stone chip we use a Schutz gun which you screw cans of stone chip onto.
This is much much thicker than the stone chip you get in a spray can which gives you that thick texture and protection. Also the nozzle on the gun is very large which sort of throws the stone chip at the surface in thick blobs instead of a fine spray.
I would have blocked up the back door a little more as overspray gets everywhere and is a right pain to remove.
I would also be careful when grinding and welding around glass as the molten metal debris created will embed itself into glass, I would hate to see this happen to your expensive camera lens as it cannot be repaired.
When spraying think of mowing stripes into a lawn, you make methodical passes from left to right giving yourself a 50% overlap between passes, this ensures even coverage without runs.
Some spray cans are crap unfortunately, I prefer U-Pol as they pressurise their cans to much higher pressures which lets you get all the paint out of the can and a consistent finish.
You can get nozzles for spray cans with a wide fan spray pattern, I much prefer these nozzles over that standard nozzles that are more of a cone spray pattern as they put a more fine even coat down mimicking a real spray gun.
I know the primer gave you an idea of where you needed to fill or sand more but until you get something that gives you a reflection on there like lacquer you wont truly know if you have filled or sanded enough.
Spraying a light guide coat of black paint over the filler and then lightly sanding the guide coat away will at first remove all the high spots but what will be left is the low spots and these will still have paint in them from the guide coat, this makes at really easy to spot where the low spots are.
To make it easier to blend in when spraying instead on just applying making tape flat to the panel try curling the masking tape in half length ways by curling it back on itself into a horse shoe shape. This gives you a soft curved edge to spray up to, which gives you a very soft line that fades into the original paint instead in a sharp crisp line that leave you a ridge when you peel the tape off. Much less rubbing down required.
Top tips, thanks!
Great advice as usual, thanks MM 👌👍
Great job Vince! I can relate to this video. My alloy wheels were powdercoated by the previous owner but they look terrible now as the powder coat has come off where the wheels have corroded. Been doing it the hard way, sanding it off by hand and painting. Its a nightmare job 2 days for one wheel. I am on my second wheel and I think I have lost my finger prints and nails on my right hand lol.
Things to try with dodgy spray cans, put them in a bowl of hot water for 10 minutes before spraying, should increase the pressure in the can. Also put a little thinners in the paint cap, take off the nozzle and drop it in the thinners for half hour and blow it out with an air line, should be good to go.
You probably had a nightmare using the filler. Its much harder if you work outside on a warm day, the filler will go off too quickly and you won't have enough working time to smooth it properly. Try and keep the sun off the filler if you have to work outside reduce the amount of hardener and ideally put it on when its cooler, much easier mate.😀
Really nice job! By the time it gets the final respray and stuff it's going to look perfect!
I was sorry to hear you had some haters on your videos on the Rolls-Royce, your videos are what they are and I enjoy the learning process with you, please don't ever change!
I must admit when I first saw the Rolls videos I thought you'd taken far to much on and no way would it be possible to complete this project, especially when you started by doing little "easy" bits like the windows and horns etc. The further you've gone on and now your onto welding the car I have real faith in you completing the car! It was really great to see the filling and sanding come through to a good standard.
You'll never be able to achieve the same underbody sealant crinkle effect without a compressor, nearest you'll get is a product called "gravi-guard".
My only other suggestion, which I'm sure you've heard before, is to get a better socket set (a massive set from Halfords would be money well spent), I cringe and wait for the day you snap a bolt every time I see you using the 1/2 inch ratchet on something small!
Very thoughtful regarding the noise Vince. Someone near me uses power tools for long stints eeevery Sunday when the weather is nice.
Did find it funny and ironic that when talking about keeping the noise down there was a screaming child in the background.
Gosh this takes me back watching my dad do this in the 70s and 80s, he had more American cars and classic cars than I had hot dinners. Except his wasn't as professional as yours, you could tell every car my dad had his hands on, because he used to rivet steel panels to the sills, bodge over the rivets, knock the bodge back with sand paper and paint the sills black, you could tell them a mile off lol 😆
It looks so much better now than before. Great job!
I am in awe Vincento. I really wished if I had the patience of a saint like you.
3:43 Wow Vince, another great video! This one was straight *fire* ; I love this series so much!
Just as you said it Vince I was thinking that there are an awful lot of welds there just for the wheel arch, but at least it won't fall off and the MOT is assured, as to the wheel arch anyway. I congratulate you on considering your dads neighbours and the grinding noise I don't think there are many as considerate as you its very good of you. As to it looking nice, when I did this on my car it looked absolutely awful, but guys train for years to do this stuff, and bring all that experience to the table when they repair a car. Don't let it get you down Vince you can only do your best and it looks fine to me. Don't forget what you keep telling us, your not making a HOW TOO video, just doing it as best you can, it is an incredibly hard job filling metal and smoothing it out so the lines match. Keep up your spirits Vince it looks ok to me, thinking back on my efforts I'm glad your doing this and not me, it's so difficult.
Vince , I was a professional for 20 plus years. Guess how we do it ? ..... fill sand fill sand fill sand fill sand fill sand ......
that's why it's so expensive ..
You did a great job . And yes holts knifing putty seems to never want to cure as quick as you want. I find dolphin glaze much quicker. Its as smooth but has hardener.
Peace and love brother ✌️ ❤️
Nice one Springy, needs a lot of patience! I'll pick myself up some Dolphin Glaze, others have recommended it as well. Cheers mate👍👌
Well done Vince. Welding outdoors is very difficult as even the slightest breeze will disrupt the gas shield around the arc. Notice how much better the mig sounded when welding under the arch. I suspect it was a little more protected from the wind. Keep going Vince. Its a bit of a Forth Road Bridge but you'll get there in the end.😃😃
Vince dont beat yourself up as your doing alright with this. Ive worked on my car and had trouble sleeping at night worrying that ive cocked it up. We have all been there mate and your doing fine.
Reminds me when I was 22 with a 06 Range Rover. No mechanic skills, failed out of Mechanic school. But I learned more doing it myself and just had to fix the car because I had no money. Really cool to see what you're doing and will be following. Going to need it if I too want to fix my dream car the rolls royce silver Spur.
Big credit to you!
Your hard work certainly paid off. A great end result. Well done Vince.
Hi Vince.
It's not a bad job in the wheelarch.
A good bodyshop can pull the filling and painting around to make the arch look as good as new.
The thing is its a metal repair and not filler over rust and will last significantly longer than a quick repair.
You've done nothing wrong.
Some of the procedures could have been done differently, but the end result is much better than a fibreglass and filler repair.
For a repair done on your drive, it's very well done👍
Tip for axle stands, always have the two of the three feet facing outwards, if the car does move, it will be sideways towards you.
You're my hero Vince, you'll tackle anything!! 👏
I'm not a professional, but I enjoy the look of classic cars. And your wheel arch looks NICE! If I'm lying, I'm dying. I really think you did a good job on it.
Thank you Kitty 👌👍👍👍
Definitely a safety overheating thingy on many welders but more realistic it is dusty to weld and electronics don't like dust.
I have been taught to spray as soon as it cools down because rust pores start minutes after it cools down.
have no proof of this but can only be a myth.
Brilliant way of keeping watchers not to cut away everything but do it in two half ✌️👍👍👍!
Thank you!
For someone who has zero skill when it comes to cars and bodywork, you seem very switched on with what you're doing. A great Job Vince, I've seen arches filled with newspapers and grease proof paper
Nice one Vince , the difference from the pre-grinding stage to that is amazing.
With all those welds it certainly ain't going to fall off. I must admit I have the same issue with filling / plastering / polyfiller etc I have patience for many things but not for filling. I think you did a decent job on that wheel arch and did yourself proud. Love these videos and inspires me to get off my arse to repair stuff.
Really enjoying this series of you working on this car the little bit of work on the wheel arch. that you did in my eyes looks really amazing. You should be proud of yourself. Keep up the good work.
I loved the sound of the welding crackle. Also after you fixed the hole in the gas pipe you could hear the gas come out.
Turn the can upside down and hit it a few times to clean the nozzle before spraying. Learned that as a young kid. Spray in long sweeps that past your target area on both sides. Multiple coats and patience in between depending on the directions on the can.
Proud of you for such good work! Keep the videos coming please!
It is amazing how far you have gone on this on Your own. I remember your videos repairing the golf some years ago and this is definitively next profesional level. Would not call it DIY your are a Kind of excelsior of DIY!!!
Vince, you did a more than passable job with the wheel arch, I consider the work to be a B+ and that's a PASS my friend, good job, not bad at all for someone who doesn't do this for a living.
Nice work, it came out well
Thanks Scott👍👌
The job looks great. Put the bottom of the fender on and do the same technique again but same with body filler for more thin coats and use the spot putty for small....spots. Do you final sanding with wet dry sand paper and sand with water for a a super smooth finish.....Doing metallic with spray cans is always a pain to get right. You are doing great work.
You have to give your self much more credit Vince. I do this for a living. Your doing a great jog 👏
Incredible job. Very impressive Vince
Well done Vince you did pretty well on that
Thanks Jason👍👌
You have done and excellent job as per normal in this video. You are amazing person to take on this mammoth project on this beautiful British car the Rolls Royce. I look forward to seeing the end result. From down under Sydney Australia
Great outcome!
Thanks Elliot👍👌
a good tip with the rttle can paint is to stand the can in a bowl of hot water for 5 to 10 mins before use. makes the pint and pressure so much more fluid
It looks awesome! I've spent a lot of time filling and spraying cars like this on my driveway in the past, most recently a few months ago after my daughter scraped the bumper on her car. IMHO Its best to settle for a 90% of perfect job as you have Vince because getting that extra 10% is where the experience and loads of time is needed.
What a great effort. Looks great, especially for a first time effort. Well done!!!
Guide coat always helps with seeing your low and high spots.
When you were welding in the rear arch, you should have used a bit of wood to push the the body of the car and then plug weld it the panel then would maybe have sat closer in relation to the body, thus requiring less bodyfiller. Still, great work Vince.
I would have tried using screws or pop rivets to pull the sheets together.
Arch looks great Vince!
"I've let that dry for the right amount of time.... 34 seconds." Spat my drink out. 🤣
This is turning into An arts & craft channel, very relaxing 😄 Again, very brave taking on something like this. Hats off
Tip for painting, when spraying spray in short even sprays from left to right. Don’t constantly hold as it will mess the spray pattern up. Tip for the filler, instead of adding on top of the filler once it’s smooth sand it back with a high grit 120 then 300 then filler primer and paint
Vince , a light guide coat of Black over the filler, then sand , this will show all of the low spots
great job Vince the wheel arch repair looks pretty dam good :)
That’s a great result on the wheel arch. A million times better than what was there.
Your work is good i can almost say professional.
Hey Vince great job as always...I hav found that paint is a great filler...that's easy to say wen ur not buyin the paint but wet sand that paint bck and put another coat on...repeat if u feel like it...that said if it goin full paint job then let the pro's do what they do best but for smaller panels/projects then I found it works a treat....I don't know any1 who has found a short cut for a top job paint jobs will always take time...keep up the good work as ur progressing well
Well chuffed with the work you did. Well done mate!
Wow that looks fantastic, I'm really enjoying this series and can't wait to see what you tackle next
Well done Vince, you're doing an amazing job! Never done metal work myself but I have repaired motorcycle fairings and you always end up filling and primer multiple times before you get it looking perfect!
thats such a good job vince... well done!
What a great result. 👍
That haws come out really well mate, the respray won't cost anything like as much as if they had to do the prep work as well.
Cheers Danny👍👌
You're doing really well for someone with no experience in body work dude. One piece of advice re the painting, you want long even strokes. Not shake up and down and all over. Watch a video by the gunman. It'll really help with how it lays and also you'll find that it's more consistent.
I am truely loving this series mate. You're a brave brave man. Hat's off to you.
I'm glad that you found the problem with the MIG plant, watching you weld without shielding gas was painful ;)
You've done a half decent job there mate. Impressed
Looks amazing!
Very considerate of you Vince regarding the angle grinder noise, wish you were my neighbour haha
Well done keep the fun coming
Can't argue with the outcome! Top job for a DIY!
A well-deserved win there. Having a Father who's a Panel Beater I can usually spot filler a mile away but at least what you've done is looking good in 1080p!
You're doing really well as someone with no experience in this field, I'd never attempt any of this lol.
looks great. Well done.
Looks so much better now vince i have never done welding but used an acteline torch before
Looks dam good Vince 👍 😀😀😀
Pretty fine job you have done IMO. Rattle cans should be placed in hot water for about 5-10 minutes or something which should solve the uneven flow. I rattle can my airsoft realistic imitation firearms. I actually think you should spray the car yourself. It will never be concourse acceptable even if you spend £5k on a paint job so might as well just buy 20 rattle cans
If he could reverse that without significant expense then I would agree. £5k on a paint job? Is that what it would cost?
@@stoatin3050 A basic spray could be as little as £700 but that is no prep. All trims will have to be removed. Metallic paint will cost more than a flat paint. Prep work will add cost. Its a big car so again that will add cost. Minimum price of a paint job on that car must be £3k but it wont look good. (just IMO)
Just like Vince I learn every day. I never imagined it could cost that much. I don't know what is involved in a car respray. The beauty of Vince's TH-cam channel is we get to know stuff, even if just out of curiosity. lll look after my Skoda better now! And my Xbox.
loving these uploads 👍
Hi Vince, spray a light spray of black over your primer as a guide coat when you block sand it back your lows appear
Hi Vince
Another enjoyable video :-)
Old hobby set welders are a nightmare , they are made on a tight budget so parts are cheap and plastic and wear more than professional sets ( the Lincoln Bester is a lovely small set sold by Rapid Weld here in the U.K. ) still that said the finished result looked very good ,that might be why they say never buy a used car in the wet lol :-).
Paint finish is only as good as the prep and your fill sand fill sand method is the way to go reducing the imperfections with each pass.
I know you said the paint was just to tidy it up a bit you can get very passable results from rattle cans and for a good finish it would be best to spray the entire panel and mask a smaller area for the primer then feather the edges to get rid of any step when you top coat and lacquer .
Keep the videos coming Vince :-)
Very much enjoyed this - and like how the more you filled it the better it looked. Well done Vince
Bodywork always looks worse before it starts to get better, preparation is key, but then slow steady work on the rubbing down is mind-numbing, you just have to think of wonderful things, not rush and keep working away. It appears, that you arrived there in the end, so take heart, relax and allow the work to flow through to the conclusion.
Cheers Richard👍👍
Don't put yourself down, mate - it's beautiful.
its looking really good
Great video ones again Vince, love this series, it's taking you a lot of hours to fix all the stuff in and around the car but you must be proud of what you have achieved so far. Keep up the great content
Hello when using spray tins, you should remember to spray Up side down to clear the spray nosel
Looks spot on Vince good job👍
Hi Vince, I’m really enjoying your Rolls Royce series. You’re doing a great job on each video and it’s exciting to see the before and after, on each of your jobs. Keep the videos coming and give yourself a pat on the back. Hopefully in a year or so time, I’ll see your at a Rolls Royce fair / rally, showing off your pride and joy. Otherwise I’ll look out for you taking a bride to her wedding on a Saturday afternoon.
🤣👍👍👍
Not bad for a first go! Keep at it!
Vince I think that wheel arch came out surprisingly well. You had me worried for a minute. For not being a panel beater I think you did a passible job! don't beat yourself up!
Vince, that box and pipe you pointed out, saying it was blocked, where you stuck the mirror to get a better view actually looks like it's perforated. Might want to look at that again buddy.
Nice results....congrats 🎉
Vince you are your own worst enemy love the video's nice work