What If The United Arab Republic Succeeded? | Alternate History

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  • The borders of the middle east have long been a matter of contention, with many suggesting that the Arabian states were set up to fail, doomed to suffer forever wars because of a lack of consideration for the religious and ethnic groups of the region. Despite this, or perhaps even because of it, there was once an effort to create a United States of Arabia, or rather, a United Arab Republic in hopes of building a more stable nation, of course, that didn't happen...but what if that changed? What if in an alternate timeline, an alternate history scenario, the United Arab Republic survived and succeeded? But first, we must answer why this U.S of Arabia failed in the first place.
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  • @MonsieurDean
    @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +53

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    • @danielsantiagourtado3430
      @danielsantiagourtado3430 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey! What's your favorite Spanish Dynasty? Trastamara, Habsburg or Bourbon?

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@danielsantiagourtado3430 Habsburg, until they sorta wiped themselves out.

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@crusader2112 That might be worth exploring.

    • @danielsantiagourtado3430
      @danielsantiagourtado3430 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@MonsieurDeanpoor Carlos II

    • @crusader2112
      @crusader2112 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MonsieurDeanCool thanks. 👍 No rush. Peace ✌🏻

  • @peterroberts4415
    @peterroberts4415 ปีที่แล้ว +554

    The US Saudi alliance would be extremely strong in this timeline. No way the US would let a socialist country have this much control. I'd also expect a lot of CIA coups

    • @skepticalmagos_101
      @skepticalmagos_101 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Just because it's socialist doesn't mean they would align with the USSR. Probably will see the Rusdians as a Imperialist Threat. The Baathist were Ethno nationalist with a leftist economic system. They would be neutral. Like India (also socialist at the time) and Yugoslvia.
      In the Age of Domino theory the company would still try to do something. Or at the behest of the Israelis.

    • @Wendeta-hq2cp
      @Wendeta-hq2cp ปีที่แล้ว

      Bruh.
      The US wouldn't be as hell bent on breaking the UAR considering the fact that it couldn't even keep up with Israel, which is tiny by comparison. I would expect an extension of NATO membership to Turkey much more quickly than in our timeline. And, while I think it's quite unlikely, it would be possible for NATO to accept Iran in order to better protect Saudi Arabia and prevent anymore annexations, followed by a potential but just as unlikely invitation for Saudi Arabia proper to join NATO.
      We are talking about the cold war era and, funnily enough, being woke or democratic was not a requirement to join the First World in the cold war. Taiwan is one of the clearest cases of this, seeing as in its early days it was an authoritarian government.

    • @skeleex
      @skeleex ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@skepticalmagos_101 Sad reality of how the US could've had more leverage in the cold war, if say they had supported the Socialists in Vietnam in independence against the French, they would've had a reliable and strong bulwark against Chinese influence in South Asia, and would've spared a generation of the horrors of war.

    • @delfinenteddyson9865
      @delfinenteddyson9865 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@skeleex hindsight is 20/20

    • @derpsternium8334
      @derpsternium8334 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nasser was one of the founding members of the Non Alligned movement, and the CIA Wasn't as trigger happy in the old world. Notably the USA went out of their way to court yugoslavia.

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad ปีที่แล้ว +342

    What if the Korean War was a US victory instead of a stalemate?

    • @Vandelberger
      @Vandelberger ปีที่แล้ว +45

      That’s a decent suggestion actually. Militarism would definitely be more a thing in the 70s - 90s and China would be vastly effected.

    • @realslimsh8y
      @realslimsh8y ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Korea would be a better place

    • @Madokaexe
      @Madokaexe ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Korea today would have a population of over 70million people, resources from the north and much more land to develop, if they followed their historical economical path you can expect a much stronger Korea that would easily slide into the top 10 largest economies worlwide.

    • @bathamsteryt
      @bathamsteryt ปีที่แล้ว +18

      And a follow up opposite video what if the Korean War turned into a proto Vietnam war with North Korea winning

    • @randomguy6152
      @randomguy6152 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      there's 2 different versions of this
      "what if China and Russia stayed out of the Korean war"
      "what if the Chinese and/or Russians were beaten in Korea and pushed out of the north"
      both these scenarios would have different results

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad ปีที่แล้ว +165

    What if the Kalmar Union survived?

  • @JoshSullivanHistory
    @JoshSullivanHistory ปีที่แล้ว +109

    I wonder how Imperial Iran would have interacted with the UAR before the Revolution

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +61

      Shook hands, smiled, and fired AKs at the enemies. “You take the West. I’ll take the East.” The shah would say and the sun rose on their empires.

    • @Ali-bu6lo
      @Ali-bu6lo ปีที่แล้ว +26

      If this UAR can't defeat Israel they can't make much progress against Pahalvi Iran either. In real history The Shah and Saddam (back then still the VP, but effectively in charge) clashed in early 70s. Iran believed that the maritime border in Arvand river/Shat al-Arab (confluence of Tigris and Euphrates) should be at the deepest point of the river while Iraq wanted all the river of itself. A long period of tension in which the Shah armed the Kurdish rebels in Iraq led to a serious border conflict which Iraq lost and had to accept Iranian demands after the Algerian president acted as the mediator.

    • @nourahmed-sh2ox
      @nourahmed-sh2ox ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@MonsieurDeanhey you z man you give me an imaginary senario about my country and you can't get rid of even one of my rivals what the heck I want my satisfaction back

    • @graymatterialist7076
      @graymatterialist7076 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nourahmed-sh2ox psssh bah puh brghzz bzzz oh I just destroyed one of your rivals. Are you satisfied?

  • @fredjohnson9833
    @fredjohnson9833 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    I wish you had been more specific about the 6 day war. Even if Israel still comes out on top, having a more unified Arab war effort means the Israelis either gain less territory or gain the same amount but have to fight a longer war. Either way, a less decisive Israeli victory has ramifications down the road. As just one example , if Israel is unable to take or hold Eastern Jerusalem, this not controlling the Temple Mount, that has HUGE implications for the future of Israeli politics and Jewish culture around the world. A failure to take objectives like the Sinai Peninsula, Golan Heights, or especially the West Bank and Gaza has massive implications on the future of the Israel-Palistine conflict .

    • @Helloer123
      @Helloer123 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      the only reason that it was a 6 day war is that the Arab states weren't ready. Israel was weak at the time, and most of its oil came from the Arab states. If Israel did not make peace, the war would become a war of attricion with Israel losing all its resources and being naval blockaded by the far superior navy of the arab states. The arab states did not think that Israel would do good so they mobilized less troops. If the war was longer, other arab states and muslim states would join and mobilized their armies and destroy Israel. Longer war=counter offensives, resource cut off, trade cut off, more support and more countries joining the war, naval blockade, air bombardment, sanctions and Israel didn't have enough population to win against Egypt only so if the war was longer, Egypt would mobilise 1 million and defeat them.

    • @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356
      @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Helloer123 and then a second holocaust commences

    • @bill5627
      @bill5627 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@Helloer123Also combined with the other arab states, the army would be more than 1 million.

    • @kg7162
      @kg7162 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@Helloer123i can add one thing to why the arab state loose in the 6day war is also cohesion among the troop of the different countries like you say they weren't prepared to fight this type war

    • @hishamalaker491
      @hishamalaker491 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Guys in the comment section, as a Arab I would just like to add that the reason why they lost is because our leaders in that time were r*tards, they all had their own Palestinian militia or influence and would throw them at each other sometimes like Pokemon cards, the Black september thing was basically a Palestinian militia armed, trained and depoloyed by the Syrians who supported them with two Brigades and also their attitudes during and after '48 was that Palestine is already freed and that they just need to consolidate their rule. Thats what I despise about our modern mentality, all of us are grasping for power while ignoring real issues its called division. I see soo much missed potential and it makes me sad but heh they are secular republicans and they disobey allah so maybe these f*ckers werent supposed to do anything good in the first place.

  • @thorpeaaron1110
    @thorpeaaron1110 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Would love to see a video on What if MacArthur became President in 1948?

    • @crusader2112
      @crusader2112 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I’ll do you one better: Patton lives and joins MacArthur on the Campaign and is named Secretary of War/Defense.

    • @thorpeaaron1110
      @thorpeaaron1110 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      ​​​@@crusader2112truly unstoppable team! I feel like if this happened with Patton directing UN forces during the Korean War North Korea could have subdued much earlier not giving Mao time to think and we could have seen a UN push into Manchuria that could threaten Beijing.

    • @crusader2112
      @crusader2112 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@thorpeaaron1110 Indeed. Definitely the better timeline, hopefully no nukes will be necessary.

    • @thorpeaaron1110
      @thorpeaaron1110 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@crusader2112Most likely there wouldn't as the Soviet Nuclear Program was still in the process of being built and in any scenario where nukes are used it wouldn't be ideal for the Communist forces .

    • @crusader2112
      @crusader2112 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@thorpeaaron1110 Okay yeah makes sense. Thanks. Peace ✌

  • @axome235
    @axome235 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    What if the United kingdom of the Netherlands never fell ? What if the belgian revolution was avoid or crushed ? What would a larger, more industrialised Netherlands change in Europe politics ? Would WW1 and WW2 change significantly ?

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Germany would have avoided Belgium in WWI, but wouldn't change much in WW2.

    • @merrylildeath3113
      @merrylildeath3113 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      There may have been a real possibility that the netherlands would have joined the central powers in ww1 cuz they had good relations w germany but no reason to join. If they owned belgium there was a real possibility that paris would have been taken

    • @ryannathaniel9296
      @ryannathaniel9296 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@merrylildeath3113 There's also the counterpoint of the Dutch not wanting to risk a war with the Entente out of fear of losing their colonies, since their colonies of Indonesia, Suriname, the Congo (if they were given to the Dutch since Belgium doesn't exist in this timeline), and those in the Caribbean are literally surrounded by the Entente.

    • @merrylildeath3113
      @merrylildeath3113 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ryannathaniel9296 thats also very true, ww1 was such a complex topic because of political fuckery. Gotta love it

  • @Nawaf-qk9mu
    @Nawaf-qk9mu ปีที่แล้ว +62

    There are many things that I want to point out here as an Arab and Muslim:
    1. The different schools of Sunni Islam are not at all that different. Most modern scholars study all four, in fact. They have the same fundamental beliefs and of course, have the same opinions on all the major aspects of religion. They differ in minor things, and differ in theit methodologies of extrapolating religion onto new things. Most importantly their difference is applying religion into law. Fundementally however, there is no religious difference and scholars and populations alike view each other as rightly guided, and even when they differ they view it as a valid disagreement where both sides have a point (since the disagreements are on minor things).
    2. Panarabism is very reactionary. It existed as a reaction to Ottoman rule, and was reinforced by tbe existence of Israel. Reactionary things arent stable, they dont exist as they are, only as other things are. The thing is, the Arabic sneaking world isnt homogenous. Not even remotely. Arabs, before the spread of Islam, and well into it (as the culture and language took centuries to spread, only existed within the peninsula. Even after the spread of their culture and language, these various peoples still hold onto my of their old traditions, and are very very clearly different cultural groups, even with the influence and language. Thus a Peninsular Arab, and a Levantine Arab, are very much barely the same "Arab". The traditions, cultures, values, so much more are quite stark.
    So realistically, the barriers here arent religious (besides Sunni snd Shia of course) but cultural.

    • @deanal-jackson4593
      @deanal-jackson4593 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Your thought process is all messed up.
      1. Just because Arabs are not 100% identical that doesn't discredit the idea of a united arab republic, the greatest empires and superpowers of history had way harsher cultural separation amongst their population
      2. Anyone with a hint of MENA historical knowledge knows that Arabs existed outside of the peninsula way before islam (Philip the Arab-the ghassanids- Palmyra- Arab-persian loyalists in iraq during the rashiduns campaigns etc etc)

    • @Nawaf-qk9mu
      @Nawaf-qk9mu ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@deanal-jackson4593
      1. While yes this is true, we live in an age where ethnostates are nation states are the norm. In age old empires one ethnic group was always the one in power and usually ethnic wars were the reason they fell. Umayyads because of Berbers, Abbasids because of Persians.
      2. While this is true, both Ghassanids and Lakhmids ruled the southern parts of Syria and Iraq. Lands which were predominantly Arab even before Islamic expansion (South of Euphrates and the Syrian desert). Philip the Arab was born in the Syrian desert, which was always Arab, not the densely populated fertile crescent where both most people in Syria and Iraq are in and are from, but also places which weren't Arab and hadn't many Arabs before Muslim expansion. Likewise Tadmur (Palmyra)'s core was in the syrian desert, which once again was Arab even before muslim expansion, as the densely populated strip of fertile land, or the geographical Levant, wasn't and hadn't many Arabs. So while yes there were Arabs in the so called polticial Levant, these places are geographically part of the peninsula. And once again realise both Umayyads and Abassids fell becsuse of these ethnic conflicts.

    • @HassanalBolkiahSoyjak
      @HassanalBolkiahSoyjak ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea that part was confusing, the primary divide is Shia/Sunni, not between the schools of thought, for example Shafi was the student of Malik

    • @Nawaf-qk9mu
      @Nawaf-qk9mu ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HassanalBolkiahSoyjak Yep, and Ahmad ibn Hanbal was a student of Shafii. They always praised one another too. And modern scholars even if they stick to one mathhab still learn from the other imams and respect them and their opinions greatly.

    • @JeffHenry-cq3is
      @JeffHenry-cq3is 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not smart are you
      Muslim today kill each other over these small differences
      Then add tribalism

  • @kasadam85
    @kasadam85 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Why Ethiopia, Turkiye and Iran are included in the thumbnail? Is that a trap to attract pissed people from those countries? 😂

    • @gymrat5014
      @gymrat5014 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Logically yes

    • @shafsteryellow
      @shafsteryellow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      30% of ethiopia is somalia (the shaded area

  • @Przet
    @Przet ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Iran and turkey are not Arabs

    • @Miodrag.Vukomanovic
      @Miodrag.Vukomanovic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why do most look Arab then?

    • @adam48263
      @adam48263 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And Algeria 🇩🇿

    • @AmeerMokdad-rc3ez
      @AmeerMokdad-rc3ez 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ههههههه يالبربري​@@adam48263

    • @scorpionjaxxer339
      @scorpionjaxxer339 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Don’t think he ever said that. They are in the Middle East though

    • @Meeda2000
      @Meeda2000 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@adam48263algeria is a mix up of Arab and Berber, تحياتي من ليبيا

  • @FrankBlaise09
    @FrankBlaise09 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Congrats Monsieur Z! A video topic that I personally find very interesting! Thanks!

  • @Windrose86
    @Windrose86 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Been looking forward to a new scenario thanks man.

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hope you enjoy it, pal!

    • @Windrose86
      @Windrose86 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thoroughly enjoyed it! No matter what you think of Nasser, I think he was the only man who could have pulled it off.

  • @dominicadrean2160
    @dominicadrean2160 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    This map almost completely matches up with the war of Gog and Magog in the Bible😅

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +25

      That was unintentional, but interesting.

    • @Т1000-м1и
      @Т1000-м1и ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Perfect comment doesn't exi-

    • @teehee4096
      @teehee4096 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The Bible doesn't provide a "map" of Gog and Magog's locations.

  • @SSDZA0805
    @SSDZA0805 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    IMO Algeria wouldnt open up diplomatic ties with israel given its history with colonialism and how it is in OTL. Algeria would probably have friendly relations with the UAR without being directly in its SOI. It would probably just be a regional player, too big to be fully absorbed but not big enough to be a large player.

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Love your content!
    What if Napoleon III defeated prussia!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Interesting idea. France really did have a lot going against it at the time, but had the empire survived there was genuine potential for the French and English royal lines to merge (if Napoleon IV survived).

    • @danielsantiagourtado3430
      @danielsantiagourtado3430 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@MonsieurDean You really need to explore it! Specially with Napoleón IV marrying beatrice!

    • @thorpeaaron1110
      @thorpeaaron1110 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@MonsieurDeanIt's also hard to tell how Napoleon IV would rule would he rule in a Neo absolutist way similar to how Kaiser Wilhelm II or would he be a liberal constitutional monarch.

    • @ryannathaniel9296
      @ryannathaniel9296 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thorpeaaron1110 The French Empire was already sliding back towards constitutional monarchy during the later years of Napoleon III's rule. Napoleon IV would need to put a lot of effort if he wanted to rule in a Neo Absolutist way, especially as the Bonapartes were more reliant on popular support to rule than the Hohenzollerns were

  • @ddc2957
    @ddc2957 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    What If: The Napoleonic Wars became the Napoleonic WAR - Constsnt, ceaseless conflict between the French & their varying allies against the British, Austrians etc.
    As a flip on this, what if the World Wars were fought like the Napoleonic Wars, with scores of breaks between the fighting?

  • @abderahmandj3845_muslim
    @abderahmandj3845_muslim ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Uhh algeria is the last country that could ever have ties with israel in any scenario its not just because they want an independent palestine with all its lands but also because many jews we’re in algeria propably 144k algerians hate them because they we’re favoured by the french colonialists and given nationality and after that in the liberation war jews we’re in support of the french and after independence thay we’re eventually kicked out because of this long history

  • @GundamChief
    @GundamChief ปีที่แล้ว +27

    It would depend on how other countries in the world saw the events. The Soviet Union would probably have back up the UAR due to their socialist government, but would also be trying to influence it to accept a more Soviet styled way of running things.
    The US of course would intervene in their own way by becoming "allies" with the various non-UAR states, and keeping things with Israel as they did in the OT. There's also the idea of the Soviet Union empowering the UAR with military aid as they did Cuba and others, which would cause the US to do the same, escalating things in the process.
    Europe is up in the air depending on which nation we're talking about and how powerful of a projection they wished to have. Britain being the only one I can say anything about in certainty, would likely be helping the US in the endeavor, with their own ideas on where to go.
    In today's world, I think a UAR would, while shaky, be a stabilizing force for north Africa and some of the Middle-East. Depending on how well they keep to their socialism, they could become an industrializing force for that part of the world, allowing for foreign nations to move manufacturing jobs to it, thus giving wealth to the region, but not really necessarily for the people living there. Like China right now.

    • @JeffHenry-cq3is
      @JeffHenry-cq3is 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      China is mostly one people
      And control the others by force
      Iraq under saddam was held together by force
      Same as Lybia under Kadafi

    • @ThePikminCaptain
      @ThePikminCaptain 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The UAR wouldn’t align with soviets just because of similar ideologies

  • @TheArabianKnight
    @TheArabianKnight ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I genuienly think that if the UAR succeeded it would absolutely dominate Israel, since currently Egypt alone has a much more powerful army. Also about the nukes, in the 6 Day War the UAR in our timeline had strong connections with the USSR so a nuclear development might have taken place in that alternate timeline. Not only that but there also have been nuclear developments and interests in our time line aswell as seen with Saddam Hussein in Iraq and currently in Saudi Arabia.

    • @FacitOmniaVoluntas.
      @FacitOmniaVoluntas. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In what world does Egypt have a more powerful than Israel? Maybe if you purely look at numbers, but there’s no way you are that braindead. 😂😂😂

    • @Ptoly
      @Ptoly 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Egypt did actually already have a nuclear program during the UAR with support from France and the USSR. Although The Mossad, being much more superior than the Egyptian intelligence found out about the plan and simply destroyed it by assasinating several of the members

    • @JeffHenry-cq3is
      @JeffHenry-cq3is 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Israel kicked their ass since 48

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Lore of What If The United Arab Republic Succeeded? | Alternate History Momentum 100

  • @Cool-123
    @Cool-123 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Ok the intro was solid, seriously!

    • @Cool-123
      @Cool-123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Unironically its probably the best intro you have done to one of your alternate histories. More like this would definitely be great!

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I can see the UAR holding an Olympics and the Middle East faring better in the Olympics overall

  • @Alex_FRD
    @Alex_FRD ปีที่แล้ว +5

    > secular
    > Arab
    And therein lies the problem.

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hahaha😊

  • @jamarieharry1805
    @jamarieharry1805 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    What if stalin lived longer

    • @marcgarrigosmane166
      @marcgarrigosmane166 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Probably ww3

    • @Toniponimakaroni11
      @Toniponimakaroni11 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      He would die older

    • @jamarieharry1805
      @jamarieharry1805 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Toniponimakaroni11 yes but he would get a successor to.

    • @jamarieharry1805
      @jamarieharry1805 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@marcgarrigosmane166 hope monsieur z does this scenario

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +36

      There was another purge in the works right before he passed, so that would have unfolded.

  • @anvos658
    @anvos658 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Interesting, though you see just how much Israel points out the already existing problem that it honestly makes more sense to have East and West UAR that are allies, rather than one UAR. Especially since it would still have the Saudi Arabi problem.

  • @user-me5jq4dv4i
    @user-me5jq4dv4i 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Why was Ethiopia shown in the map when it’s a Christian country??

    • @shafsteryellow
      @shafsteryellow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not... that's somali region

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What if the Second French Empire managed to survive after defeat in the Franco-Prussian War?

  • @burningphoneix
    @burningphoneix 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm sorry but if in this timeline the UAR still lost the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War, it isn't feasible that it would remain united. Especially if they couldn't impose its will on Lebanon.

  • @randomguy6152
    @randomguy6152 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    egypt would obviously become leaders of this union, best military, best economy, best positioning, most water, most food

    • @A.Severan
      @A.Severan ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That mentality is the very reason why the UAR failed in the first place.

    • @randomguy6152
      @randomguy6152 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@A.Severan it's the exact reason the other countries should have knew what they were getting into prior, the eu is pushing away the federation idea for the similar reason
      some countries have more than others and will obviously be prioritized over others, Hungary wouldnt receive upgrades literally ever if the eu federated it'd all be France, Germany, and the Scandinavians + Baltic countries getting any care

    • @A.Severan
      @A.Severan ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@randomguy6152 there can’t be a union when one state is high on itself. And for what? It’s the poorest per capita down there with North Yemen. Egypt is no Germany or France.

    • @randomguy6152
      @randomguy6152 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@A.Severan Egypt would be the Germany AND the France of this union most the other countries have more desert than land, the food situation and water situation are both obviously gonna get carried by Egypt and the defense of this new nation would once again be carried by Egypt
      somebody has to be the leader and Egypt is BY FAR the best choice leading to Egyptians considering the fact they are fine without the others it's the others who wants to become stronger

  • @galvendorondo
    @galvendorondo ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What if India was not partitioned/what if the two-nation theory never gained traction in the Raj?

  • @DarthEarp
    @DarthEarp ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What if Henry Kissinger accepted Mao's offer of 10 Million women?

    • @Miodrag.Vukomanovic
      @Miodrag.Vukomanovic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Him and Nixon were the reason why China is out competing us. They took the US off the gold standard, and let China become the world's factory.

  • @alperenbaytimur
    @alperenbaytimur ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We turks are not arabs

  • @garvjuice2
    @garvjuice2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God i hate this

  • @dominicadrean2160
    @dominicadrean2160 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Here's an interesting question do you just like living in the modern world and its many problems I know this is a problem in Millennials and gen Z as well for the most part dealing with the huge pressures of the Modern Life and societies
    Would you rather live in the past in a previous generation for me I would I'm history nerd for my pic I would choose the Renaissance or Medieval Times for the early modern period
    Let me hear your thoughts

  • @dominicadrean2160
    @dominicadrean2160 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    What if Islam never existed

    • @parlyramyar
      @parlyramyar ปีที่แล้ว

      Then feminism, LGBT and woke cancer ideology would be even more prevalent in the world.😂

    • @Alpha-ic2us
      @Alpha-ic2us ปีที่แล้ว +2

      World peace

    • @parlyramyar
      @parlyramyar ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Alpha-ic2us biggest wars in the history of mankind was by christians lol so no

    • @AmirSatt
      @AmirSatt ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting Idea... Obviously Zoroastrianism would have survived, and it was quite a strong religion, first monotheistic one in fact. (I would be zoroastrian lol). Byzantium would still fracture but not dismantled entirely, and Orthodox Christianity would fill the vacuum in North Africa and Levant, and to be honest there would still be religious fundamentalism anyway, albeit christian

    • @fuzzley911
      @fuzzley911 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Alpha-ic2usIt’s obvious that your ignorant

  • @Lepidivs
    @Lepidivs ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What if Greece had accepted the proposal for unification with Serbia ( there was such proposal or more like a thought going forth and back)

  • @isimbulamadm7972
    @isimbulamadm7972 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "What If The United Arab Republic Succeeded?" When the title of the video is this, why did you add Türkiye and Iran? Turks are not Arabic at all just like Iranis. Please fix this, thank you.

  • @mikearias2283
    @mikearias2283 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What if Taco Bell didn't win the "Franchise Wars" as it did in our timeline?

    • @anozymous1
      @anozymous1 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

    • @ThePikminCaptain
      @ThePikminCaptain 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Many peoples toilets Would be saved

    • @Miodrag.Vukomanovic
      @Miodrag.Vukomanovic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Quiznos should have won the Sub wars.

    • @mikearias2283
      @mikearias2283 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Miodrag.Vukomanovic my guy we can break bread on that issue.

  • @00martoneniris86
    @00martoneniris86 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    what if the Persian empire conquered Greece won the Sea battle of salamis

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They could have. Greece would have been absorbed into the Persian empire and much of its knowledge wiped out.

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@meejinhuangMuch of greek knowledge wasn't wiped out under Ottomans, why would it be under persians?

  • @00martoneniris86
    @00martoneniris86 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    what if Arabia was United after world war one and France the united kingdom america maked it an protectorate

  • @moderatetuber3845
    @moderatetuber3845 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Algeria would’ve joined the alliance early on considering the Egypt/UAR was its biggest supporter in its war of independence with France.
    I would say that it would’ve been nice if we had an UAR, I made my own version of that nation and called it ASU (Arab socialist union) thought it was a cooler name.
    Nasser was actually more moderate that ppl say he was. The first refund to rule the republic of iraq under Kareem Kassim was very pro communism and USSR, Nasser refused to make any alliance with it.
    I still agree on your point that in order for this union to survive it would’ve needed a more moderate leader than Nasser.
    This union would’ve changed history forever, I think it was going to be very progressive, it even might’ve grown to be a third power next to the ussr and USA, but it would’ve Maintained peaceful and economic relations with both sides. Which would made the Middle East and africa thrive.
    After all the fall of socialism came from Egypt. Egypt was the First Nation to quit being socialist
    As a nassersit I loved this video keep it up
    Edit:
    The main reason why Egypt and Syria didn’t win or lose just draw in Yom Kippur war, was the lack of democracy. I would say in this timeline ASU would be more Democratic, and would allow it’s generals to do there jobs without interference

  • @glowiak3430
    @glowiak3430 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Except Iran, Turkey and Ethiopia are not arabic.

    • @shafsteryellow
      @shafsteryellow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's not ethiopia..

    • @glowiak3430
      @glowiak3430 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shafsteryellow Well, the miniature of this video clearly shows a "U.S. or Arabia" that encompasses Ethiopia, Turkey and Iran, despite them being NOT ARABIC.

  • @Steel-Sturmer
    @Steel-Sturmer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Call it United stated of Arabia for the lols

  • @zionmolina3039
    @zionmolina3039 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What if Albert Einstein accepted the offer to become the President of Israel?

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He's not a politician and disliked politics.

    • @andremanzaro
      @andremanzaro ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@meejinhuangHe was a socialist

    • @andremanzaro
      @andremanzaro ปีที่แล้ว

      Then Israel wouldn't exist. It would be called Palestine lol

  • @last.atlantean
    @last.atlantean ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Finally, a stable middle east.

  • @drswag0076
    @drswag0076 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wouldn't this be a republican version of a Caliphate?

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sort of.

    • @drswag0076
      @drswag0076 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MonsieurDean well i could guess a secondary outcome for the UAR involving a coup backed by pro-Hashemite forces crowning the once overthrown king of Jordan as Caliph thus returning the caliphate to the descendants of the prophet Muhammad as it should had been in 1918.

  • @momojafar9385
    @momojafar9385 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    just a clarification, Sunni schools of Islam all accept each other as correct and righteous. However different sects, like shia and sunni consider each other to be misguided.

  • @LDaz
    @LDaz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kuwait would never join such a confederation.. i think a gulf centered alliance would be the counterbalance (supported by the U.S)

  • @PaoloCavestro-ey9bb
    @PaoloCavestro-ey9bb หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What if United Arab Republic had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic and Dharmic shit?

  • @christosbekas7446
    @christosbekas7446 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dude Ethiopia is not a Muslim state

    • @hamzamusa6793
      @hamzamusa6793 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      45 % of Ethiopia is Muslim stfu

  • @Т1000-м1и
    @Т1000-м1и ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tbh the popular understanding is not ready for so much history

  • @MonsieurDean
    @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Base Amino Acids? www.eventbrite.com/e/deanpac-tickets-654723945947

  • @ravinakuwar1407
    @ravinakuwar1407 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When does Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran or central Asian countries became part of middle east?
    Or Arab as said in this video.

  • @AoMohammed
    @AoMohammed ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This union would become even better and likely if the sykes-picot agreement never happened, a united Arabia that isn't ruled by an absolute monarchy of extremists, but instead by the hasemites would be key to establishing this union and would get rid of a lot of problems.

  • @mazaluo
    @mazaluo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ماذا لو انتصرات العراق علي ايران في حرب الخليج الاولى

  • @goldmaple5290
    @goldmaple5290 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The United Arab Republic would never succeed because Arabs are a very divisive race. Every Arab leader of each nation wants to take the most prominent position - to be in charge. This is precisely what happened. Syria had a thriving economy before it joined the UAR in 1958. When it left the UAR in 1961, its economy was destroyed by Nasser's socialist policies. The UAR union between Syria and Egypt was very one sided in Egypt's favour. Egyptians came to control Syria. Syrians felt they had become prisoners in their own country. Thats why they left the union. So much for Arab nationalism. Yemen also was planning on joining the UAR. It was a kingdom under King Muhammad bin Badr and its economy came to bè dominated by Egypt. Nasser was against monarchy and he made plans to overthrow the king with Egyptian affiliated officers in the Yemeni army like Abdullah al Sallal who overthrew the king in 1962. Ultimately Egypt became tied down in a civil war in Yemen between 1962 and 1967. They lost the Six Day War in 1967 and Arab unity was destroyed. The only thing that united the Arabs was Nasser's death in 1970 and since then the Arabs have been divided.

  • @elif_coşkun_77
    @elif_coşkun_77 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    what if soviets won the war in afghan?

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The Afghans will fight forever.

    • @elif_coşkun_77
      @elif_coşkun_77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@meejinhuangno, like... what if the soviets didn't installed a puppet regime after the coup in the afghan leadership so the public would support the democratic republic rather than the mujahadeen and the DR was more loose on the secularism policies so the modarete religius people would support the communist regime instead of the mujahaden?

  • @James-rm7sr
    @James-rm7sr ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It is interesting that the ending has us basically back where we are now. Israel ends up as an ally to Saudi Arabia with extension having ally with Ethiopia.

    • @shafsteryellow
      @shafsteryellow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's somalia not ethiopia

  • @cjvoerman5591
    @cjvoerman5591 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What if Stonewall Jackson lived?

  • @seamusfinnegan1164
    @seamusfinnegan1164 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I agree with most of this but I think Iran could have seen a full on regime collapse if they lost in such a manner, potentially falling into civil war and potentially having separatist break away states especially in the Northwest.

  • @talisinium.channel
    @talisinium.channel ปีที่แล้ว +2

    AL WATAN AL AKBAR

  • @chee22ing
    @chee22ing ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You sound a lot like Alternate History

  • @Algiz-iz9bq
    @Algiz-iz9bq ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Will you redo your video about the second boer war? Its missing key points such as the british use of concentration camps and scorched earth

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, the British used inhumane tactics against the Afrikaners.

  • @emilystiner2842
    @emilystiner2842 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I actually have a globe with the united Arab republic on it

    • @thorpeaaron1110
      @thorpeaaron1110 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How did you get it?

    • @dacho707
      @dacho707 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      syria and egypt?

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I saw one of those recently.

    • @emilystiner2842
      @emilystiner2842 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It was on a old globe from about 1961 and yes it was Syria and Egypt

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if the French conquered Brazil from the Portuguese?

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The French were terrible colonialists and would have created a large Haiti.

  • @user-qx9zn2cj4e
    @user-qx9zn2cj4e ปีที่แล้ว +4

    From a Saudi perspective, I’m glad pan Arabism failed hard.
    We have little in common with places like Egypt and Syria, so many frictions would happen and it would always breakdown.
    I’d be more interested in a Gulf Cooperation Council alliance; we are far closer culturally with emirates/Qatar/Kuwait etc, would be an economic superstate.

  • @ionvidreanu3408
    @ionvidreanu3408 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What if the Aromanians south of the Danube succeeded in creating and maintaining a state of their own?

  • @chheinrich8486
    @chheinrich8486 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We you said "iran would have no idea hiw to use their high tech weapons" i just thought😂 just sell them to your neighboor to the north, he wants to know everything about them😅

  • @CAProductions051
    @CAProductions051 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A unique scenario, nice

  • @adamhenrywalker
    @adamhenrywalker ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Long live Saddam Hussein! 🇮🇶

  • @Dowhateveryouwant-j8f
    @Dowhateveryouwant-j8f หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I know he's probably not going to read this comment, but I would love to see a part 2 about the Arab Spring. Because that would be really interesting.

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t usually do part twos, but I might cover it

  • @kommandantgalileo
    @kommandantgalileo ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if the British colony in Hong Kong spanned across the entire Pearl River Delta?

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It could have been, but it would have started a war by China to hold Canton. HK at the time was not of much value to the Qing.

  • @Smokrylio
    @Smokrylio ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thus would be an amazing world

  • @marekolen7355
    @marekolen7355 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if Kallingrad fas mane pöace for Ussr and what if it fas ling time there and start of Russia to?

  • @00martoneniris86
    @00martoneniris86 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if Cesare Borgia conquered United Italy became pope

  • @erichtomanek4739
    @erichtomanek4739 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting how living room is ok for one small group and not another.
    Funny that .......

  • @theanatolianguy
    @theanatolianguy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if turkey got the misak-ı milli borders?

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if the Plantagenets never came to power in England?

  • @00martoneniris86
    @00martoneniris86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if Charlemagne lived longer conquered southern Italy and Spain he died at age 66 what if he lived tho Age 80 90 100?

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if the Muslims/Moors never succeeded in invading Spain?

  • @islammehmeov2334
    @islammehmeov2334 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if the OTTOMAN TURKIS EMPIRE Won the great TURKIS WAR

  • @Diegallo90
    @Diegallo90 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think this is an oversimplified version on the Arab states they're just treated as "they all are malakis, and that's the only thing they are" the complex things that aren't mentioned are the very things that made this state fail IOTL

  • @oliverstianhugaas7493
    @oliverstianhugaas7493 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But what if?; In 1916 the Germans landed 20 000 men in Ireland to support the Easter Rising.

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Then the British would launch a full scale invasion of Ireland and blockaded to prevent German supply lines. The British Navy was too powerful at the time.

  • @papazataklaattiranimam
    @papazataklaattiranimam ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Almost none of these countries have an Arab majority 😅

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Time to make a documentary, "What is an Arab?".

    • @hishamalaker491
      @hishamalaker491 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MonsieurDean As a Arab i can assure you being Arab is like being American it has more to do with culture, language and identity than it does with genetics as the meaning changed also ignore that dude he is Anti-Arab also your right these countries are Arab within their own right, some people just want to seperate us and spread disunity among us.

    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hishamalaker491 Being Arab is about belonging to an Arabian tribal confederation like Kedar tribe.

    • @hishamalaker491
      @hishamalaker491 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@papazataklaattiranimam No.

  • @TheStickCollector
    @TheStickCollector ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Finally.
    Interesting

  • @Deridus
    @Deridus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can't help but wonder what it would have looked like had Mandatory Palestine not been created but left to, say, Syria, Jordan, or Lebannon.

  • @filiusexmachina4069
    @filiusexmachina4069 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if Germany joined/tried to get closer to the nordic states after unifiation instead of trying to become a colonial power?

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if Philip "Augustus" II of France succeeded in taking all Plantagenet holdings on France?

  • @hassan-madjidi
    @hassan-madjidi ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What a good timeline, I hope this what happened in irl, But with a Conservative Regime instead of a Secular one.

    • @kg7162
      @kg7162 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It can't too much separation of who has what and who control who, this was one of the probleme why the UA failed because of nasser wanted to have all centralized in egypt and creating some thing of a new Egyptian empire. What can work in the future is more economic cooperation we have seen it with saudi arabia and iran Renewed ties with each other and the new Israeli-Palestinians conflict that is ongoing.

  • @IndoSlovenian-Animations
    @IndoSlovenian-Animations ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Am i the only 1 who notices that togo is floded and Gambia is Senegal and Sierra Leone is an island on the map and Sudan doesnt own South Sudan

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The true alternate history of this timeline was never shown.

  • @starkfaktory6920
    @starkfaktory6920 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you have iran and turkey on your thumbnail...

  • @KangaKucha
    @KangaKucha ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have many good what ifs/Alternative World History ideas if your interested. :)

  • @MrThePsychologist
    @MrThePsychologist ปีที่แล้ว +1

    pakistan kazakhs and turkey are not arabs

  • @KenssyImportha
    @KenssyImportha ปีที่แล้ว +1

    not related to the video, but What's your opinion of your show Ratz as of today?

  • @-Winston_Churchill-
    @-Winston_Churchill- ปีที่แล้ว +3

    im sure that turkey wouldnt be a part of this. like 95% of our people isnt even arabic, they are turkish.

    • @Smokrylio
      @Smokrylio 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      there muslim

  • @Yosefus418
    @Yosefus418 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for the video, but the map has several issues. You could focus more on the eastern part.
    Palestine, along with the Golan Heights, is missing from the map.
    Sudan’s borders weren’t like that in the 1960s.
    Western Sahara doesn’t have control on the ground.
    Somaliland is not recognized as an independent state by any country.
    ------------
    Additionally, the events depicted are not very realistic. Ethiopia and Somalia have fought many wars, so portraying them as friends is unlikely. The Algerian population would not easily accept relations with Israel, especially given their recent history of French occupation. And once again, the Palestinian people are being overlooked.

  • @cvmpro1497
    @cvmpro1497 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Day 2 of asking for what if Nazi germany never surrendered and enacted the Werwolf Plan. We will make you do this Mosley!

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Germany would have still been defeated. The USSR would be merciless and may have killed 10s of millions more Germans.

  • @00martoneniris86
    @00martoneniris86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if the Kingdom of the visigoths in Spain was not conquerd by the umyads caliphate or what if the Umayyad caliphate failed tho conquer Spain

    • @meejinhuang
      @meejinhuang ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spain may not have gone into its age of exploration and colonization.

  • @lipingrahman6648
    @lipingrahman6648 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ah pan Arabism one of the great pipe dreams of the last hundred years.