Hey y'all. Sorry for taking so long. I explain in detail why my video schedule has been so wonky this year. Basically, I've been working on a huge side project I'm excited to show you later this year. So stay tuned till the end to find out what it is.
As a Saudi myself your information in this video is surprisingly very accurate… you know a lot more than most people know even here in middle-east. You understand the struggles and powers that are competing to take over the power in this region, And the cultural background and the religion influences. I’m really amazed… thank you so much for bringing all these important information.
As a someone from the middle east, I say that his information were a little botched and his scenarios very vague. I too still appreciate him talking about the middle east. Doesn't change that it just sounded like a dumb liberal reflecting his beliefs on a land with rich and ancient history whilst intermixing different concepts like "wahabism" which isn't a real concept and Salafism, which is a real mathhab, etc.
@@griefwizard I struggle to take anyone seriously when they use ad hominem attacks like "dumb liberal" that are completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Sorry.
You forget that this new state would include many other non Muslim groups such as Maronite Christians and Druze in Lebanon, Assyrians in Iraq, as well as the Kurds. Although many of the borders were made by the Europeans, some, such as those of Mount Lebanon, existed for a long time under Ottoman rules, even with some degree of autonomy.
Riku006 I believe so. It'll be through Amazon and other book stores. It'll be on E-Book Kindle so you can get it even if it doesn't ship international. I'll find out in a month
I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. Oh look, its here :-P
I interpreted as it in the shipping alternative history; where the fictional Arab country you set the shipping price of book. I'm thinking "how detailed" and somewhat too detailed.
@@nassimb7151 No, they specifically targeted radical revolutionaries acting on behalf of an international conspiracy to overthrow global powers in a violent revolution, National Socialism was meant to be a continuation of the old powers that was more conscious of the proletariat breeding an era of class unity, rather than the class struggles of both Communism and Capitalism
@@nassimb7151 Programs were even set up to integrate upper class children and lower class children, instilling them with values of racial solidarity that would instill a sense of comradery amongst all in Germany, and amongst nations the germans wanted to integrate, which was primarily central, northern, and eastern Europe. Italy and Spain already had Southern and Western Europe respectively, Germany would take the rest and end the struggles of the old kingdoms and lordships in its own way by integrating these Central Eastern and Northern Europeans into a common racial identity.
I think that this series generally shows how humble our leaders must be when making decisions. Acting in one's immediate best interest is not necessarily acting in one's long-term interest of any sort. Every choice, or lack of choice, can have monumental and totally unknowable consequences. Meanwhile, some events are basically just baked into the current geopolitical scenario and will happen, in more or less the same form and on the same schedule, no matter what one tries.
“Baathism is a strange blend of socialism and nationalism” Like... N a t i o n a l S o c i a l i s m ? I’m waiting, 4chan. I’m waiting for someone to call this out.
nazism aimed to "cleanse" the "aryian germany" from anything that would have undermined its greatness (quoting hitler) , Baathism isn't even close to that "objective" , it's about reviving a colonized,divided and exploited nation and putting it back where it belongs on world stage for the values it holds especially on social level (which was kind of what everyone is fighting for , forever probably) , to quote baathist lore:" Immortal is the message of the arabs" (litteral) which loosely translates to "we still have cultural and social values that can help solve humanity's problems and we must act as humanity as a whole depended on our ability to immortalize these values and protecting them from imminent loss either by the commies or the capis , or the racially dogmatized foodchain theorists".. Zionism on the other hand , is the ideology of the natural supremacy of the jewish people (race and not religion) over all other humans (gentiles) ,and aims to make it a reality by directly engaging anyone who opposes it ( it's kind of the physical manifestation of all the money recolted from financing the bad deeds and businesses around the world) Zionism , as nazism , claims to be the salvation of a race by reattributing the "original" historical lands to a government /power that is racially and ideologically aligned with their own. While nazism at first wasn't really set up to be "all about race" , it's through the struggle against their direct opponent (the communists that were majoritarely led by jews) that they emphased the racial notions and the lebensraum ideal (which is exactly what zionism relies upon). Hitler's nazism is a germanized version of zionism, baathism is how nazism should have been - as baathists never engaged in racial cleansing or anything near and actually baathist beliefs just excludes other races from government but not social life or somewhat citizenship if they abide.
Unlike Nazism, Bathism does not resort to real racism, at least not the original Baathist ideology, nor did it look at one party system. It would have been something like Turkey during the past century.
This was a very good Video Cody. I think you did a lot of homework about the background in the middle east and provided some very real scenarios if Arabia had become a unified nation. I know I cannot speak for everyone, but I would like to believe you had a good, if not great, understanding the situation in the middle east right now, far more then the average person.
You hit on the traditional element and Social change point perfectly. That it would be a fight over ideologies. Full disclosure, I live in the UAE, and we do have these debates all the time about traditions. As a child, I remember a constant stream of fairs and events that honored our traditions and past, but as time went on, these events start to lessen, and the country's focus becomes more on the future, on technology and advancements. It isn't that I see it as bad, but I see that it's a shame that we start to forget from where we came from. (Really, wouldn't it be amazing to be an advanced country still honoring traditions and religion? Like Japan? Or in a fictional sense, Wakanda?)
Hey I live in the UAE as well i can agree with what your saying but hey at least we didnt become Atheist and at least our most important and fundamental beliefs are still there
@@hishamalaker491 it's worse tho? UAE is normalizing relationships with Zionists who oppress their brothers in faith. Can't say they have an ounce of faith left if they support oppresors.
Japan is just as traditional as most western nations, they just have an Unfamiliar culture that seems traditional since its so different. A lot of people dont realize just how traditional the west is compared to the Far East and Russia.
A unified Arab peninsula's history would be intimately bound up with whatever happens with Egypt, and yet you completely ignore Egypt? In our own timeline Gamal Abd El Nasser's Arab Nationalism played a major part in the politics and social movements in the Arab World, and he even participated in a war in Yemen. Moreover, what happens to the Jewish settler community in the land beyond the Jordan River? Zionism was active before the British back out of their agreements with the Hashemites. Do they find citizenship and a place in the unified Arabia? Or do their Nationalist/Separatist values force them into a confrontation? Also what the hell does Iran think about this vast neighboring country with plentiful Shia minorities in many pockets? You've simplified the history of the middle east to it's role as "problem" between the USSR and the USA but the history is so much more complicated. I almost feel this video should be redone.
While I do agree with you, I do feel that Nasser would be sympathetic to a Ba'athist Arabia, which he did say was the most likely ideology to take hold, so don't consider it too forgotten. King Fouruk probably would've fallen eventually as well, at least without Arabian assistance.
I can picture the Arabians having the same problems with Zionists in Palestine as the British did. I think Egypt go through a revolution as in our timeline and would either join the Arabian country or become a very close ally. Another issue not covered in the video is what would happen with the oil companies, which by the 40s were basically acting with impunity in the region, even in independent Iran
While skunk drunk, high on weed and LSD, and of course, wearing swim trunks, and playing loud ass music, only to eventually realize the Ostrich was actually a terribly confused Camel named Alfred.
This video needs a remake. You didn't talked about Zions, Kurds and also the fact that Hussein Bin Ali claimed himself as Caliph, established the Sharifian Caliphate (But later when he got kicked by Saudis the Caliphate was disolved). Also I must say that Baathism exists because Arabs failed to reunite. So why will you have an ideology which wants to reunite the Arabs if Arabia (Middle East) is united?
@@Threezi04 Then decolonization would happen after WW2 and the Arab nation would likely get in on bringing them into their sphere of influence. That said, baathism really wouldn't really work when there's no forced major divides lasting last the 40s or 50s.
If the British actually gave Palestine to the Arabs like in the video, Zionism wouldn't really be much of a threat. Maybe Jews could even escape to the Arab state during the Holocaust (depends on German Arab relationships).
Dont we create alternate universes, just by doing something? Like what if you didnt eat breakfast today? Would there be a civilwar in the US indirectly caused by that?
The Nazi ideology you are referring to is National Socialism not Social Nationalism. They are completely different. FYI Socialism + Nationalism =/= Nazism. Get your facts right please.
You also forgot to mention that Ba'athism wasn't just about the Middle East.... Ba'athism talks about the ENTIRE Arab world uniting under a secularist yet religion respecting society (Ba'athist secularism isn't let loose like Western secularism), from Marrakesh in Morocco to Baghdad Iraq under Arab racial nationalism. This is coming from an Arab Ba'athist who read the work of Michel Aflaq, the Christian Syrian founder of the movement.
But as a Ba'athist you would know that most Ba'athist today would be more of a neo-baathist rather than the one Michel Aflaq had in mind. This is coming from a fellow Arab Ba'athist.
Neo-Ba'athism is long story short just Ba'athism implemented with an iron fist due to harsh times, whereas Aflaq was less brutish and didn't yet recognize the fight the Ba'athists were about to enter.
Neo-Baathism is the only way forward. Michel Aflaq being the corner stone of baathism doesn't mean we should agree with everything he said because honestly some of his ideas are pretty wonky. Btw which branch do you support.
Mahmoud Alissa we don't share the same culture. Can you honestly tell me a Lebanese guy will have the same mentality as a Yemeni or a Saudi? With regards to language the closest example I can think of that resembles the Arab world is Latin America, and you dont see them wanting to be one country. I'm still a new Ba'athist because I still hope for an Arab union similar to the EU.
Le commentaire Random They'd probably have turned out like Russia. Or Cuba. Or China. Or Zimbabwe. Or North Korea. Or Venezuela. (Cue the muh durr never been tried comments)
Joe Bowden Let's see: Land repossession (a key tenet of Stalin's Russia), state ownership of farms repossessed from the whites, and Mugabe is a self described Marxist.
Hey man, it's so amazing that you're writing your own history book. Would love to buy it when you publish it. And it's totally understandable if you don't post often. Just keep up the amazing work dude :)
Tbh, neither of you are wrong Arabia was key in the development of Mathematics and Science, But now it's just holding the world back "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain" - in a literal sense
A unified state would’ve still been the best thing for the Middle East. I mean every country that starts out is going to have inevitable issues, but like you said, things change. And wouldn’t other countries work with the state to help it become successful and make sure it wouldn’t adopt a harmful ideology? Just because it would start off conservative doesn’t mean it wouldn’t change into a more progressive country with time.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 You make no sense, do you even know what fucking entropy is? everything changes and you people cant change that. They make the world a better place, you sit there in your piss and shit crying about ye olde times.
Breaking News: World War XVII (17) started Nukes are not necessairly bad things. Their effects are indeed terrifying but the deterrent they create has been succesful in preventing a major international military conflict for the past 70+ years. Also: if nukes never came into play we would likely not have Nuclear Power, which, no matter what you think about it, not having it would lead to increased exploitment of non-renewable resources, like oil. In the end, if nukes weren't invented: World War 2 will have ended much later, likely between 1947 (at best) or even 1950, because the United States would have needed to invade mainland Japan in order to force its capitulation. And invading a mountainous region inhabited by nationalistic fanatics is not easy. The Cold War would have gone hot veeeeeery quickly, maybe even with the Berlin Blockade, which would have triggered war between west and east very likely before the United States captured Tokyo. At that point the Battle of Europe would be mostly between the USSR and the Western Allies, as the newly liberated european countries (like Italy) didn't have the Economic and Military power to engage in another conflict. Timeline: 1945 - WW2 Ends in Europe 1948 - The Russo-American war starts 1949 - The Communists win in china, Japan surrenders 1950 - Warsaw Pact formed between the USSR, the PRC (Communist China) and the DPRK (North Korea), PATO (Pacific and Atlantic Treaty Organization) formed between the USA, the UK, France, Canada, Australia, New Zeland, Japan and the ROC (Republic of China)
I'm a novelist myself, i understand the pain of putting so much time into writing, the amount of time you need to make the world is one thing and the fun part. Making up this world to yourself for everyone else is fantastic, but then making the dozens, maybe hundreds of characters you need to make it feel real? that's the hard part and i fully understand that it eats time. Good luck with it dude, i'm hype as hell for what you make.
The Meiji Restoration overthrew a military dictatorship to install a constitutional monarchy with universal male suffrage. Baathist ideology's hold on the Arab world was part of what led to the Arab Spring, it was so repressive by nature. Japanese Nationalism was not kind to the Ainu. Arab Nationalism? That alienates Kurds, Turkics, and potentially even other Bedouin and Mashriqi cultures if the Heshimites are elevated. Mosul, Aleppo, Lebanon, Oman, might all see separatists develop in response to state discrimination or atrocities.
Just have the american timeline with this Arabia's politics sightly influenced by the ideology No take over, just a slow integration into the West while nationalists push for modernization and a common arabian identity
Not the Arab version. Nazism was strongly influenced by Hitler's personal pagan fantasies. And it's part had much more influence in the ideology than actual nationalism and socialism.
Awesome! I can’t wait for the book! I’ve been following this channel for years, I think since around 2013 or 2014 if remember correctly. I’ve always loved these videos and I would absolutely love to see one of these concepts turned into a fully formed novel. I will definitely be buying it.
Well, if he didn't die, he would actually get to rule his large empire, he was already returning back to Macedonia by 323BC, because food supplies,etc were over, soldiers were tired.
In a unified state, what about the different ethnic groups, how would they fit in? Like for example would Kurds still try to establish their own independent state?
Louis Duarte My theory is that the Kurds would be a continuous problem for the state with them either politically or by rebellion achieve independence. Rebellion if scenario 3 occurs. I don’t know much about the several ethnic groups in the Middle East but I think there would be problems in Lebanon as Christians there identify themselves as Phoenician not Arab. I also wonder how Jewish immigration would factor in as without the Balfour declaration Jews would still try to migrate to Palestine/Israel.
It's really amazing just how many of the issues we have with today previous generations already grappled with in some form, yet how different the world was just a handful of decades ago. The more things change, the more things stay the same.
Cody, I'm really excited to hear about the book. When you made that video, I found myself time and again thinking back to what society would be like in that history; I found the premise very intriguing. To be able to hear more about your thoughts on it is wonderful. I wish you the best of luck.
As Arabian person I’d say the 3rd scenario is close to the reality, as the north is more liberal while south is more conservative. Yet with Russia and US greed over the region for oil and resources it could be split to a gulf state in south and north state as Levant state with each state is influenced by US and Russia
Kameron Jones Unless it get involved in the conflict of Panama Canal, since Colombia could have become at that point either an allie or a protectorate of Brazil. And it sound unlikely that two supepowers would become allied, especially during the beginning of the 20th century, there would be too much conflict of interest.
S3rp3nte oh I thought you were talking about current day but it would be interesting to see how the two countries would handle the Panama canal situation.
Actually, it was once.. until they overthrew the monarchy, and implanted the shitty republic. Poor Brazil. It had such a great potential.. and it threw it in the trash..
Just as a heads up, I am well aware of why we didn't help. I just thought Cody would be the man for the job to go over in detail just how bad America would be screwed by Britain, and if it would ever recover, or even continue to exist.
Yes, the Arab nations, especially the Asian ones, are incredibly artificial. There never was an Iraq, a Jordan, etc. However, that was more accurate a century ago. Now, these people see themselves as different. Lebanese and Syrians may look the same, speak the same, and have the same general cultural spheres, however, over the century, being apart makes differences appear. Dialects, customs, art, literature, politics, etc. tend to divide groups, just look at the Koreans but imagine it on an enormously bigger scale. That's just two countries that are right next to eachother and have historically been more or less the same. That doesn't even speak of something like Iraq and Yemen or Oman and Palestine. Furthermore, you're forgetting the tons and tons of smaller ethnic groups in places we call the Arab world. Assyrians, Kurds, Africans, Hindu Indians, Christian and Jewish Arabs who sometimes aren't treated the same as Muslim Arabs in certain countries. These groups sometimes desire independence, like Kurds, and sometimes desire more rights and protections, like Africans and Hindus. The Arab world is just very, very big and diverse. Its diversity is a problem, as, in real life, it didn't unify out of shared nationalistic ideas, it unified out of empire building, be it the Arabs, the Turks, or the Egyptians. Asking a group that doesn't see themselves as unified as the rest of the world sees them to become one nation is rather difficult.
Pretty accurate assessment, but I would like to say that a unified Arab world was the main aspiration of all Arabs at that time. That is why Arab nationalist group propped up everywhere in the Arab world. Alas we grew further away from those ideals and we became one people with different cultures and identities. I still hope we can create a union of sorts like the EU, but I don't have hope in our courrpt and weak Arab "leaders".
SilverAbsol Actually in west asia the good way to divide countries for less conflicts is to have an assyrian state in northern iraq, kurdistan, alawite state in syria and unified israel and palestine. “Unified arab world" would only cause more conflicts...
Babylonian Mapping/Gaming Yes like there is no such thing as iraq or syria ...These are borders drawen randomly by colonialists without taking into consideration ethnic or religious differences, just divide and conquer.
Mesopotamia and Iraq, however, are the same thing. A different name doesn't necessarily mean anything will change. It would be like calling Lebanon Phoenicia or Jordan Nabataea.
Do you mean the fantasy version where it actually works as planned or the more realistic version where it goes horribly wrong and basically destroys Western Europe?
I think that's the direction Cody is going with his novel. I can see the blurb on the back cover now: "Drain the Mediterranean Sea to have more farmland to settle on. What can possibly go wrong?"
One of the things that felt kind of glossed over that I think would be interesting in this timeline is what happens with the European Jews who were given Israel? Would they have been denied their own state after WWII, would there be enough power to get them israel, or would they have been settled somewhere else?
Smart Dude possibly, but considering just how important present day Israel is to Judaism and the zionist movement, I don't think they may have accepted the examples. But that's just a theory. A HISTORY THEORY!!!
Hans Fornof actually israel would exist, its not commonly known but hussain bin ali was willing to reconize a future independant jewish state in same area, under the condition the arabs would rule the holy places within jerusalem.. and even if things would go badly and war would break out, in our timeline the jewish defeated united arabic armies, so i would see no reason it would be very different in this timeline (unlike the common belief, the balfour dacalarion only had symbolic meaning, with no actual effects on the jewish settements prior to israel, so yes, israel would exist)
The power of a True United States of America would be overwhelming but, would end up collapsing quickly do to all the political and cultural differences. A better option would be if the United States allied with the Central powers and obtained Canada by an annex maybe add Cuba and Panama as states. Then if the Dust Bowl was less extreme but, the agriculture lessons learned still happened. For Mexico I got nothing besides them annexing smaller states down south but, they couldn't be much of a power do to all the corruption in their history. South America would be the same except if the USA gave more influence. Which wouldn't happen unless a second war world broke out between major powers. The Caribbean would be influence be sole Superpower in the west. Unless the former Spanish Colonies of South America made a Union but, it could only rival Brazil. Unless South America Industrialized earlier.
Jacob Tuell no just wipe out the natives or large portions of them and force mass migration of citizens of the conquering country to the conquered regions and incentivize child bearing. Then the cultural differences and issues associated with that disappear
Haha, funny, cute and not remotely realistic by any means, especially considering it seems that is the US' FAVORITE place to fuck with and completely run into chaos. Chile, Venezuela, Colombia... even Bolivia & Paraguay at one point. They completely intentionally enjoy thoroughly ruining and sending countries into utter chaos, then pretend they picked great leaders, intentionally fund rebel terrorist groups while giving them guns in order to have them run a coup, while they too infiltrate and screw with various political people in order to implant their pick for leader, only for it without failure ending up in a military junta, and other dictatorships, which then plummet the countries back into further chaos. Being so ridiculously unrealistic, I find it highly unlikely anyone would find it valuable or fun to try and pretend as if it had even a remote chance of ever happening without military force. That is unless the person happens to somehow be a willfully blind and ignorant US citizen and patriot who of course would then sincerely believe the US "would never be so cruel".
@@officerchoclet2nd798 Iraq wasn't only bagdad under the monarchy, the other provinces in Iraq were quite poor, listen at the story of saddam's youth that's why Abdul Karim Qasim staged the coup but that doesn't excuse what they did to the royal family
I know. "The Greeks experience a major famine and series of series of purges killing off a good chunk of the population. Then Athenian college students sit around and say, 'Well, Thebes wasn't REALLY Communism. It will work when we try it here.'" for the next several centuries.
Libertatem Advocatus You know that, unlike capitalism, every communist state had reached the necessary amount of calories consumed per capita a day, by the 1980s (proven by the Physical quality of live index). Also this 'It wasnt real communism' argument is only brought up by some freaky anarcho-communists. Most communists rather analyze objectibely what went right and what went wrong, and learn from that.
Hey man....I'm so glad that I stumbled on this channel about two months ago....I love the content that you put out and, for a causal fan of history like me, turns me on to new subject matter that I never knew about. I never had heard of the Alanfropia (please forgive my terrible spelling) project before I watched one of your vids. It really is an interesting thought and I can't wait to read your novel when it's released. Please be sure to let us on youtube know when it is....I know I'll be interested in reading it. Thank you for the informative and just great vids you put out!
Had the unification succeeded i believe the ideology that will likely prevail isn’t one that we see today or that had happened in the past but rather a new one, Almost all the political ideologies that have existed and ruled were either forged or shaped by events like colonization, the divide amongst Arabs and the creation of the state of Israel, had these things never happened none of the Ideologies that we saw would have been this radical or even existed at all
This kind of video will definitely be very interesting for the numerous Arab perspectives. But the script would have to be slightly adapted. Such as when he brought up christians conservatism versus Islamic conservatism.
One of the better videos you did imho. In some others, you focus so much on one scenario that it sounds like you think it couldn't possibly go any other way. I mean, nobody really expected the brexiteers to win, or the assassination of Franz Ferdinand of Austria. There is never only one way things can go.
One thing I noticed in both of these videos is that you brushed over what the US and the European powers would have done with the Jewish population after the second world War. I think it would've changed a big part of your video and made a unified Arabia a lot more unstable from the get go, because it's unsure what they would've done with a potential Israel. Just something to consider I guess. I know it's an older video by this point but I felt like I had to say it.
Probably doesn't exist. This timeline requires that the British not issue the Balfour Declaration, so the Jews already in previously Ottoman territory either become Dhimmi (second-class citizens) or are killed or expelled by the Arab State.
+Nate Kaufman why do you think they would become dhimmi or be outright killed? A Sunni monarchy isn't going to be the most friendly to them, true, but Arabia would have many religious minorities it would have to accept. Jews wouldn't be singled out because there is no Israeli-Arab conflict in this timeline.
Connor Murphy there is no such thing as israeli until the 1940s, arab and jews lived in peace for more than 500 years in palestine which was part of the ottoman empire 1500-1900
The guilt the Europeans feel after the Holocaust makes this an issue in any scenario. Either A) The West decides to admit all of the Jewish immigrants no questions asked (akin to the modern times with Syria) or B) as part of the Marshall Plan, the West pays the Arabian State a bunch of money for land outaide Jerusalem that becomes that timeline's Israel. No border disputes or wars or Palestine, they legally own it no questions asked. Something a centralized state could ACTUALLY enforce.
In my opinion, you left out a major part of these alternate timelines. Terrorism by Islamic fundamentalists would either not have existed at all or way less, like you said, this would, however, mean that things like 9/11 or other terrorist attacks in Europe would likely not have happened. In our time Saudi Arabia funds a lot of mosques that preach fundamentalist Islam like Salafism or Wahabism, this would obviously not have been the case meaning that terrorism by Islamic fundamentalists wouldn't have happened. Another important part, in my opinion, would be that groups like the RAF or the IRA wouldn't have supported a free Palestine seeing as it was already free, in a sense anyway. This would also have an effect on other things, Socialist and Communist guerilla groups or political parties likely wouldn't have had to deal with anti-semetic controversies like in our timeline because there is no reason to oppose the Jews because Israel doesn't exist. This could cause them to be more popular and could have resulted in a lot more support for socialist or communist groups.
My thoughts exactly; in an alternate timeline with a united Arabia, there wouldn't be all these terrorist attacks like with 9/11 or the more recent ones in Europe, granted Terrorism could still exist of course but it wouldn't be as prosperous or supported as it is in our timeline. And sure, without Israel there wouldn't be much oppression between the European Jews and the general Arab people like in our timeline. That said however, even if a united arab kingdom would definitely be better than the region we got in our timeline today, it still wouldn't be very peaceful since there could still be conflict within the state, just different kinds of conflict.
But this is of the perspective that 9/11 was instead what the government claims it was, rather than the reality that it was a government planned and done False Flag in order to gain support from the citizens and a false "reason for war" with Iraq and Iran over them switching from the PetraDollar (USD) to the Euro in their trading of Oil & other petroleum based products. And either way, it could create it's own alternate story line. And this has got to be said too - You assume that just because the Islamic fundamentalists (the Sunni ones) gain their own unitary country that it'd somehow cause them to suddenly not feel a need to rebel or wreak havoc... which is puzzling to me.
The thing about Alternate History is that the further back in time you go, the more possible changes could happen. As he demonstrated, he provided 3 likely scenarios and only went as far as the cold war in terms of modern times. As such, with alternate history theories, the further back you go, the more complex history could have turned out. As much as we would like to think, we won't know if abiding by the original treaty would have prevented the Terrorism we know today. There would be so many different political ideologies and decisions due to this that there could be 300 different ways that it could have gone by the time we were born (i was born in the 90s, so...). Is what you say possible? sure, but it's hard to tell when we only know so much.
That's really not true, there are several terror groups that were inspired by other Western actions that had nothing to do with this fictional arab state. For instance Iranian terrorism would still be a thing given how we overthrew their democratic leadership, Pakistani Islamic extremism would still be a thing and last but not least Chechyn Islamic extremism would definitely still be a problem. No 9/11 though to be fair
@@TheCriminalViolin 9/11 was not a false flag plan, you give bush to much credit. The US/Bush did not make it happen so much as they let it happen it then exploded the situation after.
I'm a little surprised there were not even a slight mention of Israel. There won't be the Arab-Israel conflict and that would actually change a lot. Also the mention of the other sects of Islam like Ibadism or Shi'ism in the Southern part would clash with the Hashemites who are Sunni. Also a war with Iran would be possible as it might see the Sunni state as a second Ottoman empire but just Arabs.
who said they'd clash?The entire Sunni-shia bullcrap has only exploded recently,because well the gulf states' proganda machine created a conflict out of nothing
There are just too many posibilities to really go deep in most things, I mean the land could have easily be too much for one group to control and we could find ourself with a similar number of states but with more natural borders.
Kewl Well The Shi’a will not clash remember that saddam hussian was Sunni and most iraqi’s were Shi’a and they didn’t rebel even after the invasion of Iran
Eiman Danial I could see a war with Iran being possible if they went down the third Baathist path, but other than that, on religious grounds, there isn’t much to fight about, save maybe land or resources (you know, how most wars begin).
A very fascinating concept. This is definitely a Alternate History I would love to see explored in a miniseries of sorts, television would be a great medium to tell this story.
I felt like maybe you could have brought up Israel a bit more? I'd be really curious to see what would happen in this timeline; would it just not form? Form and be conquered? Cause an international crisis?
There'd most likely be a refugee crisis in the Western world over Jewish refugees post WW2 as I doubt the Arabians would give away some oil rich, Muslim land to Jews.
My theory would be a sizeable Jewish minority or even plarity in Palestine/Jerusalem. With larger Jewish populations in North America, Argentina, Australia, Western Europe, Ethiopia and maybe Russia. Jewish settler-Arab conflicts are still common but deeply favor the Arabs. With the larger Jewish diaspora and human rights groups pressuring Jewish minority rights in Arabia.
What if Celtic nationalism became a thing , like Slavic or German nationalism , and cause the Celtic states i.e. Ireland , Scotland , the isle of Mann , Wales , Cornwall and Brittany ( and why not through in nova Scotia As Well ) to unite Also seriously , you're writing a book on a scenario that you said you would never do a video on?
It's pretty much already a thing Being Scottish I know far to well the intentions of the Scottish Nationalist party and the majority of Ireland already is independent and the Welsh still cling very hard to their Celtic identity ( just take a look at any sign in wales) all they need to do is federalize
The honorable East India Company yeah that's my point just in the 1800s and with all of them having the goal of becoming a single state , btw Celtic not keltic
The honorable East India Company I mean ... whatever you feel like doing that's fine but I meant no England involved just the Celtic states in a single country
CONGRATS ON YOUR BOOK!! I love the idea of delving into the antropa (probs misspelled it) project as I could imagine exactly how badly it'd mess up the ecology of the entire Mediterranean region and cause a general mess of things (seriously, the Mediterranean is so incredibly salty due to evaporation- getting rid of it would destroy the ocean conveyor belt and earth's climate). I can't wait to read it!
I was once supposed to write a research paper about that, never finished it though. But as far as I remember, that could've completely changed the "Roman Empire" and since caesar's life had significantly influenced later historical figures, this could've even changed modern history. There's honestly way too much to consider and not enough reliable sources to give any definitive answers.
Oh god I hate the idea and suggestion of that ever occurring. Fucking Serbia, man. Horrid, evil, manipulative and dictatorial assholes forcing the formation of Yugoslavia, getting pissed over the others wanting to leave, then deciding to commit genocide on Bosniaks & Croats out of sheer spite for leaving Yugoslavia. No, I'm good avoiding that notion and idea, even if fictional, thank you. God help us all if that ever happened... poor poor people... yikes.
*@AlternateHistoryHub, I'm just seeing this video in March of 2019, has your book been published yet & if so where? I sounds like a great read & I want to purchase a copy.*
Can you do a part two as to what would have happened to other groups in the region? Would the Shiites and Sunnis live together without actual wars? Would the Kurds be in this state as well? What would have happened to the Jews after WW2 with no Israel to go to?
Also how would this Arab Republic live with their neighbours, Iran/Turkey/Egypt. Given their oil wealth, what influence would they have over other Muslim countries, from Nth Africa to Indonesia.
actually israel would exist, its not commonly known but hussain bin ali was willing to reconize a future independant jewish state in same area, under the condition the arabs would rule the holy places within jerusalem.. and even if things would go badly and war would break out, in our timeline the jewish defeated united arabic armies, so i would see no reason it would be very different in this timeline (unlike the common belief, the balfour dacalarion only had symbolic meaning, with no actual effects on the jewish settements prior to israel, so yes, israel would exist)
Recently there’s been a gigantic trend of stories with “ancient civilizations with technology more advanced than our own”. I was wondering, what would happen if this was actually a thing?
@@littlefinger7522 If u mean what the comment said then yes it was in Arabic if you are asking what he meant by the Syrian Arab Republic then ya it is Arab as its in the Arabia area
This take on an alternative history of the middle East is most plausible. Still, the lack of Egypt in this unified Arab state would have a vast effect on the shape of the nation. Perhaps modern Egypt would be the same as the British would get out of Egypt around the same time they did in our timeline. There is also Israel, which doesn't exist in this alternative timeline. Arab dictators in the 20th century used Israel as a scapegoat to distract the public. Alternative history is fun.
No it is not most plausible in fact the third timeline makes no sense what so ever. Ba'athism was created because there was not a united Arab state so in a world where there is a united Arab kingdom than there still not be Ba'athism to begin with and Cody don't seem to understand what Ba'athism is even is.
Nationalist and socialist you say? I sure hope a Turkish, Iranian or Egyptian person doesn’t fail art school and go into politics in this Arabia kingdom…
Mmmmmmm I'm gonna say that if I had to pick, it would be the Baathist reality, but altered to where the Baathists and the West got more friendly, and America sort of acted as the neutral 3rd party between the 2. The Baathists, although a bit too socialist and autocratic for my tastes, actually had a good goal-renaissance. It was avoiding both Communism and American led western imperialism. It seemed a good middle ground. The middle east needs to find itself and heal from the wounds of western imperialism, and a history of tribal and religious strife. However, it doesn't need to be taken over by Rothschild USSR....or Rothschild Israel...or Rothschild wall street/Britain etc. The Baathists wanted a lot of the right changes, but maybe if they compromised a few things with the US so that the US could help slowly ease society in the ME to have a status quo that became more and more accommodating to Baathist demands and vision, in exchange for having the Baathists refrain from throwing a coup and establishing a dictatorship, and also to be on good terms with us as future business partners, I would think that would be the best scenario for what's morally right.
Hey Cody, this is a great video idea: An all theory-in-one video, like for example: the decision that ruined the Middle East, and all the videos excluding the ones where the countries never existed, or where nothing works because i.e.: napoleon never came to power, then Germany never existed, and stuff like that. Everyone else please give a like if you like this idea.
Awesome video, awesome book concept! I love the detail you put into this video and care, for a region that is so sorely misunderstood and pushed to the side. I also can't wait to see what your book is about exactly. Keep moving forward Cody! You're doing great buddy!
@Rythlar: "possibly align with the USSR" Not necessarily. The Stalinists were the nationalist faction of Communism. The German communists at that time were the Internationalist faction. They would have perceived each other as enemies. An alliance would be more like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact before WWII. (Moreso, Germans being German, they would have seen the Russians as innately subservient to German Communism. Stalin, being Stalin, wouldn't have put up with that shit.) And Internationalist-Communists in Germany wouldn't invade everyone around them, as the Nazi's did. They'd be trying to seed internal revolutions in their neighbours, and around the world. They'd also sow Socialist-leaning nativist movements in the European colonies, distracting Britain/France/Spain to constantly quench rebellions abroad, as well as facing unrest at home. It would be a fundamentally different philosophy of war.
1FatLittleMonkey: Keep in mind that the "communism in one country" idea was at least partially born out of necessity. Because they knew they couldn't fight the entire rest of the world. With another powerful communist ally - even if it was a slightly different brand of communism - Stalin might have changed his mind. Hell, Germany might have even been the leading partner in that, given that they were both more industrialised AND could bost themselves as the birthplace of Marx and Engels. Sure, maybe the alliance wouldn't have held forever (much like the sino-soviet-split), but they might have worked together for quite a while. And Europe would be a radically different place. Probably starting with the spanish civil war where the Republicans would have won and the more radical elements among them rising to power, both thanks to communist support from abroad. France would see themselves surrounded and so would have Poland. Would have been a short war, though.
As far as i know the communists didn't have that much support.The Nazis didn't even have that much support either.The only reason Hitler came to power was because Hindenburg just made him Chancellor.
Benjamin Edelman Not really if you include Jordanians and giving both the Palestinians and Israelis the right to return. I think it would be even with Arabs having a slight advantage. If you remove Jordanians (not Palestinian Jordanians) then the Jews will be the slight majority. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong tho
@negro bsr Jordan was once United with Palestine in the name of “TransJordan” hence my inclusion of them. Jordanians would easily be able to move in Jerusalem given the opportunity. Either way, it’ll be marginal
Hey y'all. Sorry for taking so long. I explain in detail why my video schedule has been so wonky this year. Basically, I've been working on a huge side project I'm excited to show you later this year. So stay tuned till the end to find out what it is.
AlternateHistoryHub still furst
AlternateHistoryHub Take your time mate!
fuck south dakota north dakota is best Dakota what a very aggressive username
Hey dude can you make a video on "What if Serbian Empire didn't collapse"? Please,pleaseeee!PLEASE!
*YAAAAYYYY*
I’m excited 😆
As a Saudi myself your information in this video is surprisingly very accurate… you know a lot more than most people know even here in middle-east. You understand the struggles and powers that are competing to take over the power in this region, And the cultural background and the religion influences.
I’m really amazed… thank you so much for bringing all these important information.
What is your opinion on the Saudi Government?
@@Rokaize I think we all know he can't say his opinion LOL
As a someone from the middle east, I say that his information were a little botched and his scenarios very vague. I too still appreciate him talking about the middle east. Doesn't change that it just sounded like a dumb liberal reflecting his beliefs on a land with rich and ancient history whilst intermixing different concepts like "wahabism" which isn't a real concept and Salafism, which is a real mathhab, etc.
@@griefwizard I struggle to take anyone seriously when they use ad hominem attacks like "dumb liberal" that are completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Sorry.
@@CoralCopperHead Cool, dumb liberal. 👍
If u see two fish fighting in a pond then know an englishman passed by
@RAPH OOO yeah....
@RAPHZ OOO and china
@RAPHZ OOO Afghanistan, Iran, Irak, Yemen, Saudi Arabia , Emirate, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait Also
Best fact I've seen in 2 months
That is the most accurate statement I've seen in a while. Good show old man.
You forget that this new state would include many other non Muslim groups such as Maronite Christians and Druze in Lebanon, Assyrians in Iraq, as well as the Kurds. Although many of the borders were made by the Europeans, some, such as those of Mount Lebanon, existed for a long time under Ottoman rules, even with some degree of autonomy.
It would have also included Chechens, Circassians and Armenians(all these are minorities in Jordan).
Since when the kurds and not muslims..? And just to be clear assyrians make less than 3 precent of Iraq population so nothing will change
bruh this "state" is supposed to be secular. so it doesnt matter
Kurds are majority muslim
@@BigChungus-ly8ym fun fact Iraq under Saddam rule was a secular country
What if the Middle East didn't have any oil?
JUST MONIKA natsuki is best waifu
there wont be any wars
A Not really. We'd still have the religious tensions.
JUST MONIKA Then the USA would get outta there :P
JUST MONIKA
It would have peace and the West would either mind its buisness or find someone else to bully
What if the middle east had no sand?
Justin Y. You are bloody everywhere m8
Dennisz125 true
What if the middle east was a giant tropical forest?
Anikan Skywalker would move in
Justin Y. Anakin would conquer it with no resistance
Question.
When this novel of yours is finally available, will there be international shipping for those of us non-Americans that wish to read it?
Riku006 I believe so. It'll be through Amazon and other book stores. It'll be on E-Book Kindle so you can get it even if it doesn't ship international. I'll find out in a month
do you know roughly how much it will cost too?
I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay. I will not download it from pirate bay.
Oh look, its here :-P
I interpreted as it in the shipping alternative history; where the fictional Arab country you set the shipping price of book. I'm thinking "how detailed" and somewhat too detailed.
Oho Suomi mainittu
The photo from Syria is near my house ...
I don't know why that matter but I feel famous 😂😂
@Derin Selanik that meme is unfunny and dead
@@picardas1638 your mom gay
@@MedicMain9 even worse
@@picardas1638 ok boomer
Espiriquidiberto Senti you are that type person to say a dead meme even when it died years ago
A fusion of Nationalism and Socialism? That sounds familiar...
*laughs in Nazi*
Devin Mays hans get ze panzer
Odim Nazis aren’t socialist bud. They killed anyone who were socialist
@@nassimb7151 No, they specifically targeted radical revolutionaries acting on behalf of an international conspiracy to overthrow global powers in a violent revolution, National Socialism was meant to be a continuation of the old powers that was more conscious of the proletariat breeding an era of class unity, rather than the class struggles of both Communism and Capitalism
@@nassimb7151 Programs were even set up to integrate upper class children and lower class children, instilling them with values of racial solidarity that would instill a sense of comradery amongst all in Germany, and amongst nations the germans wanted to integrate, which was primarily central, northern, and eastern Europe. Italy and Spain already had Southern and Western Europe respectively, Germany would take the rest and end the struggles of the old kingdoms and lordships in its own way by integrating these Central Eastern and Northern Europeans into a common racial identity.
"What if the middle East had unified?"
That's a big IF
today it's hard but it war the highest propablity in 1920
It was actually very probable after ww1
Better alternate scenario:
What if Great Britain actually *honoured* every treaty it signed?
@Ivan Ivanovich Ivanovosky One Ummah , ideology , empire etc.
@Fat Earther huh?
I think that this series generally shows how humble our leaders must be when making decisions. Acting in one's immediate best interest is not necessarily acting in one's long-term interest of any sort. Every choice, or lack of choice, can have monumental and totally unknowable consequences. Meanwhile, some events are basically just baked into the current geopolitical scenario and will happen, in more or less the same form and on the same schedule, no matter what one tries.
“Baathism is a strange blend of socialism and nationalism”
Like... N a t i o n a l S o c i a l i s m ?
I’m waiting, 4chan. I’m waiting for someone to call this out.
It’s been two years so...
NAZBOL
Socialist Nationalism.
nazism aimed to "cleanse" the "aryian germany" from anything that would have undermined its greatness (quoting hitler) ,
Baathism isn't even close to that "objective" , it's about reviving a colonized,divided and exploited nation and putting it back where it belongs on world stage for the values it holds especially on social level (which was kind of what everyone is fighting for , forever probably) , to quote baathist lore:" Immortal is the message of the arabs" (litteral) which loosely translates to "we still have cultural and social values that can help solve humanity's problems and we must act as humanity as a whole depended on our ability to immortalize these values and protecting them from imminent loss either by the commies or the capis , or the racially dogmatized foodchain theorists"..
Zionism on the other hand , is the ideology of the natural supremacy of the jewish people (race and not religion) over all other humans (gentiles) ,and aims to make it a reality by directly engaging anyone who opposes it ( it's kind of the physical manifestation of all the money recolted from financing the bad deeds and businesses around the world)
Zionism , as nazism , claims to be the salvation of a race by reattributing the "original" historical lands to a government /power that is racially and ideologically aligned with their own.
While nazism at first wasn't really set up to be "all about race" , it's through the struggle against their direct opponent (the communists that were majoritarely led by jews) that they emphased the racial notions and the lebensraum ideal (which is exactly what zionism relies upon).
Hitler's nazism is a germanized version of zionism, baathism is how nazism should have been - as baathists never engaged in racial cleansing or anything near and actually baathist beliefs just excludes other races from government but not social life or somewhat citizenship if they abide.
Unlike Nazism, Bathism does not resort to real racism, at least not the original Baathist ideology, nor did it look at one party system. It would have been something like Turkey during the past century.
This was a very good Video Cody. I think you did a lot of homework about the background in the middle east and provided some very real scenarios if Arabia had become a unified nation. I know I cannot speak for everyone, but I would like to believe you had a good, if not great, understanding the situation in the middle east right now, far more then the average person.
You hit on the traditional element and Social change point perfectly. That it would be a fight over ideologies.
Full disclosure, I live in the UAE, and we do have these debates all the time about traditions.
As a child, I remember a constant stream of fairs and events that honored our traditions and past, but as time went on, these events start to lessen, and the country's focus becomes more on the future, on technology and advancements.
It isn't that I see it as bad, but I see that it's a shame that we start to forget from where we came from.
(Really, wouldn't it be amazing to be an advanced country still honoring traditions and religion? Like Japan? Or in a fictional sense, Wakanda?)
Hey I live in the UAE as well i can agree with what your saying but hey at least we didnt become Atheist and at least our most important and fundamental beliefs are still there
@@hishamalaker491 it's worse tho? UAE is normalizing relationships with Zionists who oppress their brothers in faith. Can't say they have an ounce of faith left if they support oppresors.
Japan is just as traditional as most western nations, they just have an Unfamiliar culture that seems traditional since its so different. A lot of people dont realize just how traditional the west is compared to the Far East and Russia.
what if me and my ex unified?
*cries in a corner*
:(
Nobody Cares
Anschluss your ex.
Demand a referendum!
feels bad bro.
*gives internet hug*
A unified Arab peninsula's history would be intimately bound up with whatever happens with Egypt, and yet you completely ignore Egypt? In our own timeline Gamal Abd El Nasser's Arab Nationalism played a major part in the politics and social movements in the Arab World, and he even participated in a war in Yemen.
Moreover, what happens to the Jewish settler community in the land beyond the Jordan River? Zionism was active before the British back out of their agreements with the Hashemites. Do they find citizenship and a place in the unified Arabia? Or do their Nationalist/Separatist values force them into a confrontation?
Also what the hell does Iran think about this vast neighboring country with plentiful Shia minorities in many pockets?
You've simplified the history of the middle east to it's role as "problem" between the USSR and the USA but the history is so much more complicated. I almost feel this video should be redone.
yeah , but the zionists militias back then were also week and can not match regular armies ...
While I do agree with you, I do feel that Nasser would be sympathetic to a Ba'athist Arabia, which he did say was the most likely ideology to take hold, so don't consider it too forgotten. King Fouruk probably would've fallen eventually as well, at least without Arabian assistance.
I can picture the Arabians having the same problems with Zionists in Palestine as the British did. I think Egypt go through a revolution as in our timeline and would either join the Arabian country or become a very close ally. Another issue not covered in the video is what would happen with the oil companies, which by the 40s were basically acting with impunity in the region, even in independent Iran
the Arab kingdom would be much much much influencial than eygypt
Ali Alahmad not really
i think a man from Florida would ride an ostrich in Cairo if history was different.
While skunk drunk, high on weed and LSD, and of course, wearing swim trunks, and playing loud ass music, only to eventually realize the Ostrich was actually a terribly confused Camel named Alfred.
Florida let's people know about wacky yet totally rad things you can do, while other states are a bunch of squares.
Florida men actually exist in Egypt , I once saw one of then in its natural habitat once .
Probably has already happened
Grey, is that you?
This video needs a remake. You didn't talked about Zions, Kurds and also the fact that Hussein Bin Ali claimed himself as Caliph, established the Sharifian Caliphate (But later when he got kicked by Saudis the Caliphate was disolved). Also I must say that Baathism exists because Arabs failed to reunite. So why will you have an ideology which wants to reunite the Arabs if Arabia (Middle East) is united?
You do ir
Arabs in Africa would still be under British/French/Italian rule, so no, not all Arabs would be unified.
@@Threezi04 Then decolonization would happen after WW2 and the Arab nation would likely get in on bringing them into their sphere of influence.
That said, baathism really wouldn't really work when there's no forced major divides lasting last the 40s or 50s.
@- EVIL Shut the fuck up, we don't give a fuck about aMAzIgH bLoOd, we are Arabs, plain and simple.
If the British actually gave Palestine to the Arabs like in the video, Zionism wouldn't really be much of a threat. Maybe Jews could even escape to the Arab state during the Holocaust (depends on German Arab relationships).
What if the alternate history channel was never created??
Then we wouldn't be in this comment section.
But would someone else have tried to fill the channel vacuum?
Thomas Saldana good point
What if everytime we ask us a question like this we create an alternate universe?
Dont we create alternate universes, just by doing something? Like what if you didnt eat breakfast today? Would there be a civilwar in the US indirectly caused by that?
6:47 "a mix of socialism and nationalism" So like Social Nationalism or uhhh..... *ahem*
The Nazi ideology you are referring to is National Socialism not Social Nationalism. They are completely different. FYI Socialism + Nationalism =/= Nazism. Get your facts right please.
*Laughs in historical hindsight*
@@odranc1844 WHOOSH
Bright spark
He meant Nazbol
What if Cody never became a TH-camr?
There likely would be very few alternate history YT channels.
Tony Koslowski
True he is very the first one that became big.
Plus he very is thr only one I am subbed to that the main content is alt history.
Several boring days and several historical facts wouldn't be brought to my/our attention.
You wouldn’t have made that comment and I wouldn’t be replying to it.
Goat-Emperor Bigs
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You also forgot to mention that Ba'athism wasn't just about the Middle East....
Ba'athism talks about the ENTIRE Arab world uniting under a secularist yet religion respecting society (Ba'athist secularism isn't let loose like Western secularism), from Marrakesh in Morocco to Baghdad Iraq under Arab racial nationalism. This is coming from an Arab Ba'athist who read the work of Michel Aflaq, the Christian Syrian founder of the movement.
But as a Ba'athist you would know that most Ba'athist today would be more of a neo-baathist rather than the one Michel Aflaq had in mind. This is coming from a fellow Arab Ba'athist.
Neo-Ba'athism is long story short just Ba'athism implemented with an iron fist due to harsh times, whereas Aflaq was less brutish and didn't yet recognize the fight the Ba'athists were about to enter.
Neo-Baathism is the only way forward. Michel Aflaq being the corner stone of baathism doesn't mean we should agree with everything he said because honestly some of his ideas are pretty wonky. Btw which branch do you support.
Ankh Its very stupid to think entire countries should unite based on them sharing an arabic language.... All it would do is cause more conflicts.
Mahmoud Alissa we don't share the same culture. Can you honestly tell me a Lebanese guy will have the same mentality as a Yemeni or a Saudi? With regards to language the closest example I can think of that resembles the Arab world is Latin America, and you dont see them wanting to be one country. I'm still a new Ba'athist because I still hope for an Arab union similar to the EU.
What if the Paris Commune succeeded and a socialist Republic was established in France in 1871.
Le commentaire Random disgusting
Le commentaire Random They'd probably have turned out like Russia. Or Cuba. Or China. Or Zimbabwe. Or North Korea. Or Venezuela.
(Cue the muh durr never been tried comments)
Jim How was Zimbabwe communist
Joe Bowden Let's see: Land repossession (a key tenet of Stalin's Russia), state ownership of farms repossessed from the whites, and Mugabe is a self described Marxist.
Jim k
In the Quran it is stated that when peace is achieved in the world it is one of the major signs of judgment day
Hey man, it's so amazing that you're writing your own history book.
Would love to buy it when you publish it. And it's totally understandable if you don't post often.
Just keep up the amazing work dude :)
I absolutely love every single video that this channel releases. Some of the most original and also well made content.
I hate sand it's course it's rough it gets everywhere
jac of harts *coarse
But I get the point
deep
Tbh, neither of you are wrong
Arabia was key in the development of Mathematics and Science,
But now it's just holding the world back
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain" - in a literal sense
uh oh someone is getting emotional. just be careful not to blow up there bud.
A unified state would’ve still been the best thing for the Middle East. I mean every country that starts out is going to have inevitable issues, but like you said, things change. And wouldn’t other countries work with the state to help it become successful and make sure it wouldn’t adopt a harmful ideology? Just because it would start off conservative doesn’t mean it wouldn’t change into a more progressive country with time.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 You make no sense, do you even know what fucking entropy is? everything changes and you people cant change that. They make the world a better place, you sit there in your piss and shit crying about ye olde times.
What if nuclear weapons were never invented?
WWIII & IV would have happened by now.
Reverend Lovejoy communist Japan. WWIII.
He's done this one already
Breaking News:
World War XVII (17) started
Nukes are not necessairly bad things. Their effects are indeed terrifying but the deterrent they create has been succesful in preventing a major international military conflict for the past 70+ years. Also: if nukes never came into play we would likely not have Nuclear Power, which, no matter what you think about it, not having it would lead to increased exploitment of non-renewable resources, like oil.
In the end, if nukes weren't invented:
World War 2 will have ended much later, likely between 1947 (at best) or even 1950, because the United States would have needed to invade mainland Japan in order to force its capitulation. And invading a mountainous region inhabited by nationalistic fanatics is not easy.
The Cold War would have gone hot veeeeeery quickly, maybe even with the Berlin Blockade, which would have triggered war between west and east very likely before the United States captured Tokyo.
At that point the Battle of Europe would be mostly between the USSR and the Western Allies, as the newly liberated european countries (like Italy) didn't have the Economic and Military power to engage in another conflict.
Timeline:
1945 - WW2 Ends in Europe
1948 - The Russo-American war starts
1949 - The Communists win in china, Japan surrenders
1950 - Warsaw Pact formed between the USSR, the PRC (Communist China) and the DPRK (North Korea), PATO (Pacific and Atlantic Treaty Organization) formed between the USA, the UK, France, Canada, Australia, New Zeland, Japan and the ROC (Republic of China)
Yessssssss no noooooo Japan never surrenders
Everytime you upload I feel happy
same
I'm a novelist myself, i understand the pain of putting so much time into writing, the amount of time you need to make the world is one thing and the fun part. Making up this world to yourself for everyone else is fantastic, but then making the dozens, maybe hundreds of characters you need to make it feel real? that's the hard part and i fully understand that it eats time. Good luck with it dude, i'm hype as hell for what you make.
I actually think I like the Baathist timeline best of all.
Mostly because I can't help but find parallels to the Meiji Restoration.
The Meiji Restoration overthrew a military dictatorship to install a constitutional monarchy with universal male suffrage.
Baathist ideology's hold on the Arab world was part of what led to the Arab Spring, it was so repressive by nature.
Japanese Nationalism was not kind to the Ainu. Arab Nationalism? That alienates Kurds, Turkics, and potentially even other Bedouin and Mashriqi cultures if the Heshimites are elevated. Mosul, Aleppo, Lebanon, Oman, might all see separatists develop in response to state discrimination or atrocities.
I am from iraq and baathism was ruling us by saddam hussein and I am happy to say that it might be the closest thing to happen
@@renaissanceweeb bedouins are Arabs though lol, they were the original arabs
Just have the american timeline with this Arabia's politics sightly influenced by the ideology
No take over, just a slow integration into the West while nationalists push for modernization and a common arabian identity
baath is equals nazism bro
Nationalism and Socialism ... Wait a moment here, haven't we already tried that?
Not the Arab version. Nazism was strongly influenced by Hitler's personal pagan fantasies. And it's part had much more influence in the ideology than actual nationalism and socialism.
Real Nazism (Strasserism) was nuch more socialistic.Cody already did a video on that.
You tried Nazism? I feel sorry for your grandchildren.
Hmmmmmmm well since there is no Israel in this timeline maybe the National socialists were successful ☹️
They weren't. :)
National Socialism and Arab Socialist Nationalism are different things.
7:32 Not since this morning 😬
Unfortunately it's been replaced with Salafism which doesn't usually play well with others
Awesome! I can’t wait for the book! I’ve been following this channel for years, I think since around 2013 or 2014 if remember correctly. I’ve always loved these videos and I would absolutely love to see one of these concepts turned into a fully formed novel. I will definitely be buying it.
USA: plays havoc with national borders and native economies in state sponsored wars in the Cold War
Britain and France: that’s my boy
8 Month late but yea it do be like that, just rivalry ship being overlooked :/
What if Alexander the Great didn't die in 323BC?
Razzy1312
interesting
We'd all identify as Greek, food would be blander.
Razzy1312 Certainly,He would have Pushed his Empire expansion into Arabia as he had proclaimed shortly before his death.
Well, if he didn't die, he would actually get to rule his large empire, he was already returning back to Macedonia by 323BC, because food supplies,etc were over, soldiers were tired.
the empire was too big for that time it's bound to fail
What if Al Gore became president of the United States or what if the British empire never Collapsed please
I think they already did one on what if the war on terror never began.
In a unified state, what about the different ethnic groups, how would they fit in? Like for example would Kurds still try to establish their own independent state?
I like the kurds
Good question, Brendan, Cody totally skipped over the Kurds.
Louis Duarte
My theory is that the Kurds would be a continuous problem for the state with them either politically or by rebellion achieve independence. Rebellion if scenario 3 occurs. I don’t know much about the several ethnic groups in the Middle East but I think there would be problems in Lebanon as Christians there identify themselves as Phoenician not Arab. I also wonder how Jewish immigration would factor in as without the Balfour declaration Jews would still try to migrate to Palestine/Israel.
and jews... that's a major fly in the ointment today
Baathism is a strange mix of socialism and nationalism you say, hmm? I feel like I've heard of a National Socialist party somewhere...
Brown Nazis?!
NAtionalische
soZIaliache
arbeits
partei
Its not Nazi and not anti jew it would be anti zionist which is not the same thing
History is very interesting.
TheHunter701 *very
TheHunter701 no u baby
It's really amazing just how many of the issues we have with today previous generations already grappled with in some form, yet how different the world was just a handful of decades ago. The more things change, the more things stay the same.
I'm 50/50 on it, it interests me and it doesn't at the same time.
Cody, I'm really excited to hear about the book. When you made that video, I found myself time and again thinking back to what society would be like in that history; I found the premise very intriguing. To be able to hear more about your thoughts on it is wonderful. I wish you the best of luck.
What if Anakin was Arabic?
Uriah Siner ay lmao
No one would’ve watched the prequels
He would blow up instead of use the force
*"I don't like dirt. It's mushy, soft, and it sticks everywhere."*
Luke and Leia would have one hell of a tan.
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Fuckin hell I see you in every video
QYiHL lmao
Middle east peace,
nigga please
thank you my good sir
What if the Mongol Empire conquers Europe?
a primitive force and their balls conquer the scared white man lmfao
Kevin Picton Google weather in Mongolia, Siberia, and Russia and compare that to Western European weather.
Then the mongol empire conquors Europe
Chrice Chiu :Omg yes
yung t :calm down it. He said it as a joke lol
As Arabian person I’d say the 3rd scenario is close to the reality, as the north is more liberal while south is more conservative. Yet with Russia and US greed over the region for oil and resources it could be split to a gulf state in south and north state as Levant state with each state is influenced by US and Russia
What if Brazil in the past was able to become a superpower just like the USA?
S3rp3nte that would be interesting they would definitely have more influence in South America but I do think that they would allie with the USA
Kameron Jones
Unless it get involved in the conflict of Panama Canal, since Colombia could have become at that point either an allie or a protectorate of Brazil.
And it sound unlikely that two supepowers would become allied, especially during the beginning of the 20th century, there would be too much conflict of interest.
S3rp3nte oh I thought you were talking about current day but it would be interesting to see how the two countries would handle the Panama canal situation.
Posible a war in south america betwee Brazil vs all there neigbords
Actually, it was once.. until they overthrew the monarchy, and implanted the shitty republic. Poor Brazil. It had such a great potential.. and it threw it in the trash..
0:16 Well, that’s one way to put it, I guess...
I'm actually really excited about your book. This channel is already pretty great so I'm happy to see your making More great content
What if the US militarily aided France after the French Revolution?
America's military strength was not very high back then. Sort of like having Vietnam or Chile on your side.
They did, they lost, Canada burned the White House in our timeline.
黑龍 - Hắc Long there was no Canada during 1812 it was the British who burned the White House.
What if France helped fight the US in their revolution?
Just as a heads up, I am well aware of why we didn't help. I just thought Cody would be the man for the job to go over in detail just how bad America would be screwed by Britain, and if it would ever recover, or even continue to exist.
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This is a perfect question that is really interesting.
Yes, the Arab nations, especially the Asian ones, are incredibly artificial. There never was an Iraq, a Jordan, etc. However, that was more accurate a century ago. Now, these people see themselves as different. Lebanese and Syrians may look the same, speak the same, and have the same general cultural spheres, however, over the century, being apart makes differences appear. Dialects, customs, art, literature, politics, etc. tend to divide groups, just look at the Koreans but imagine it on an enormously bigger scale. That's just two countries that are right next to eachother and have historically been more or less the same. That doesn't even speak of something like Iraq and Yemen or Oman and Palestine.
Furthermore, you're forgetting the tons and tons of smaller ethnic groups in places we call the Arab world. Assyrians, Kurds, Africans, Hindu Indians, Christian and Jewish Arabs who sometimes aren't treated the same as Muslim Arabs in certain countries. These groups sometimes desire independence, like Kurds, and sometimes desire more rights and protections, like Africans and Hindus. The Arab world is just very, very big and diverse. Its diversity is a problem, as, in real life, it didn't unify out of shared nationalistic ideas, it unified out of empire building, be it the Arabs, the Turks, or the Egyptians. Asking a group that doesn't see themselves as unified as the rest of the world sees them to become one nation is rather difficult.
Pretty accurate assessment, but I would like to say that a unified Arab world was the main aspiration of all Arabs at that time. That is why Arab nationalist group propped up everywhere in the Arab world. Alas we grew further away from those ideals and we became one people with different cultures and identities. I still hope we can create a union of sorts like the EU, but I don't have hope in our courrpt and weak Arab "leaders".
SilverAbsol Actually in west asia the good way to divide countries for less conflicts is to have an assyrian state in northern iraq, kurdistan, alawite state in syria and unified israel and palestine. “Unified arab world" would only cause more conflicts...
Babylonian Mapping/Gaming
Yes like there is no such thing as iraq or syria ...These are borders drawen randomly by colonialists without taking into consideration ethnic or religious differences, just divide and conquer.
Babylonian Mapping/Gaming Mesopotamia is gone pal calm down their gone
Mesopotamia and Iraq, however, are the same thing. A different name doesn't necessarily mean anything will change. It would be like calling Lebanon Phoenicia or Jordan Nabataea.
I wish you so much good luck with you’re writing. I love historical novels, whether it’s nonfiction or fiction or historical fiction.
dude I actually caught up then came back to see the part where he said “okay. you good? everyone caught up?”
What if in an alternate timeline Sienfeld still on TV?
So stoked that you're writing a novel! Your videos have always fascinated me. I'll certainly pick up a copy for myself.
Atlantropa wold make an awesome comic book!
Intergalactic Thought Criminal yes, I would love to read that!
Do you mean the fantasy version where it actually works as planned or the more realistic version where it goes horribly wrong and basically destroys Western Europe?
Be N S O N, ware it all falls apart.
Be N S O N both would be interesting
I think that's the direction Cody is going with his novel. I can see the blurb on the back cover now: "Drain the Mediterranean Sea to have more farmland to settle on. What can possibly go wrong?"
6:45 hmm i sure did enjoy the last time those 2 were together
The strength of humanity is in unity, and only in unity
why not in unreal?
@@terner1234 lmao, that got me off guard
@@terner1234 nah better make my own engine
So why the hell do we kill echother so much
@@ussrunion4049 human nature. Everyone wants to be the one in charge, preferably without any responsibility
One of the things that felt kind of glossed over that I think would be interesting in this timeline is what happens with the European Jews who were given Israel? Would they have been denied their own state after WWII, would there be enough power to get them israel, or would they have been settled somewhere else?
Hans Fornof the would have a state in madagscar or eastern siberia.
Hans Fornof the British could never give them the land due to not owning it in the first place
Smart Dude possibly, but considering just how important present day Israel is to Judaism and the zionist movement, I don't think they may have accepted the examples. But that's just a theory.
A HISTORY THEORY!!!
Hans Fornof actually israel would exist, its not commonly known but hussain bin ali was willing to reconize a future independant jewish state in same area, under the condition the arabs would rule the holy places within jerusalem..
and even if things would go badly and war would break out, in our timeline the jewish defeated united arabic armies, so i would see no reason it would be very different in this timeline (unlike the common belief, the balfour dacalarion only had symbolic meaning, with no actual effects on the jewish settements prior to israel, so yes, israel would exist)
btw their are not europian jews, but jews..
What if the Americas where unified by the US in 1933?
The power of a True United States of America would be overwhelming but, would end up collapsing quickly do to all the political and cultural differences. A better option would be if the United States allied with the Central powers and obtained Canada by an annex maybe add Cuba and Panama as states. Then if the Dust Bowl was less extreme but, the agriculture lessons learned still happened. For Mexico I got nothing besides them annexing smaller states down south but, they couldn't be much of a power do to all the corruption in their history. South America would be the same except if the USA gave more influence. Which wouldn't happen unless a second war world broke out between major powers. The Caribbean would be influence be sole Superpower in the west. Unless the former Spanish Colonies of South America made a Union but, it could only rival Brazil. Unless South America Industrialized earlier.
Jacob Tuell no just wipe out the natives or large portions of them and force mass migration of citizens of the conquering country to the conquered regions and incentivize child bearing. Then the cultural differences and issues associated with that disappear
Defender nope
Our geography is too shitty for that.
Haha, funny, cute and not remotely realistic by any means, especially considering it seems that is the US' FAVORITE place to fuck with and completely run into chaos. Chile, Venezuela, Colombia... even Bolivia & Paraguay at one point. They completely intentionally enjoy thoroughly ruining and sending countries into utter chaos, then pretend they picked great leaders, intentionally fund rebel terrorist groups while giving them guns in order to have them run a coup, while they too infiltrate and screw with various political people in order to implant their pick for leader, only for it without failure ending up in a military junta, and other dictatorships, which then plummet the countries back into further chaos.
Being so ridiculously unrealistic, I find it highly unlikely anyone would find it valuable or fun to try and pretend as if it had even a remote chance of ever happening without military force. That is unless the person happens to somehow be a willfully blind and ignorant US citizen and patriot who of course would then sincerely believe the US "would never be so cruel".
Communist revolution is the least likely
Iraq: hold my Abdul Karim Qasim, Abdul Rahman and Abdul Salam Aref
@@odim7960 fuck off bitch he destroyed iraq he destroyed the iraqi dream monarchy was better fuck abd al karim
That's a lot of Abduls...
@@officerchoclet2nd798 Iraq wasn't only bagdad under the monarchy, the other provinces in Iraq were quite poor, listen at the story of saddam's youth that's why Abdul Karim Qasim staged the coup but that doesn't excuse what they did to the royal family
It wasn't a revolution it was a coup
Can you do a video about:
"what if communism was made by greeks instead of democracy"?
Plz don't be physco right wing crazy if you do it!
Alexander Bradley
So if someone talks about communism is automatically communist?
some stickman boi no I am saying you are physco right wing crazy
I know.
"The Greeks experience a major famine and series of series of purges killing off a good chunk of the population. Then Athenian college students sit around and say, 'Well, Thebes wasn't REALLY Communism. It will work when we try it here.'" for the next several centuries.
Libertatem Advocatus
You know that, unlike capitalism, every communist state had reached the necessary amount of calories consumed per capita a day, by the 1980s (proven by the Physical quality of live index). Also this 'It wasnt real communism' argument is only brought up by some freaky anarcho-communists. Most communists rather analyze objectibely what went right and what went wrong, and learn from that.
Hey man....I'm so glad that I stumbled on this channel about two months ago....I love the content that you put out and, for a causal fan of history like me, turns me on to new subject matter that I never knew about. I never had heard of the Alanfropia (please forgive my terrible spelling) project before I watched one of your vids. It really is an interesting thought and I can't wait to read your novel when it's released. Please be sure to let us on youtube know when it is....I know I'll be interested in reading it. Thank you for the informative and just great vids you put out!
Had the unification succeeded i believe the ideology that will likely prevail isn’t one that we see today or that had happened in the past but rather a new one,
Almost all the political ideologies that have existed and ruled were either forged or shaped by events like colonization, the divide amongst Arabs and the creation of the state of Israel, had these things never happened none of the Ideologies that we saw would have been this radical or even existed at all
Hi Alternate History Hub,I’d like to ask you can I get the copyright to translate videos into Arabic and publish them on TH-cam in Arabic.
This kind of video will definitely be very interesting for the numerous Arab perspectives. But the script would have to be slightly adapted. Such as when he brought up christians conservatism versus Islamic conservatism.
One of the better videos you did imho. In some others, you focus so much on one scenario that it sounds like you think it couldn't possibly go any other way.
I mean, nobody really expected the brexiteers to win, or the assassination of Franz Ferdinand of Austria. There is never only one way things can go.
Aaaaand you just earned yourself a new subscriber. Thanks for what you do!
What if Poland-Lituania never ceased to exist?
Alfred Thayer Mahan yes please
One thing I noticed in both of these videos is that you brushed over what the US and the European powers would have done with the Jewish population after the second world War. I think it would've changed a big part of your video and made a unified Arabia a lot more unstable from the get go, because it's unsure what they would've done with a potential Israel. Just something to consider I guess. I know it's an older video by this point but I felt like I had to say it.
what about Israel?
Probably doesn't exist. This timeline requires that the British not issue the Balfour Declaration, so the Jews already in previously Ottoman territory either become Dhimmi (second-class citizens) or are killed or expelled by the Arab State.
TheFlag&AnthemGuy read about balfour declaration
+Nate Kaufman why do you think they would become dhimmi or be outright killed? A Sunni monarchy isn't going to be the most friendly to them, true, but Arabia would have many religious minorities it would have to accept. Jews wouldn't be singled out because there is no Israeli-Arab conflict in this timeline.
Connor Murphy there is no such thing as israeli until the 1940s, arab and jews lived in peace for more than 500 years in palestine which was part of the ottoman empire 1500-1900
The guilt the Europeans feel after the Holocaust makes this an issue in any scenario. Either A) The West decides to admit all of the Jewish immigrants no questions asked (akin to the modern times with Syria) or B) as part of the Marshall Plan, the West pays the Arabian State a bunch of money for land outaide Jerusalem that becomes that timeline's Israel. No border disputes or wars or Palestine, they legally own it no questions asked. Something a centralized state could ACTUALLY enforce.
In my opinion, you left out a major part of these alternate timelines. Terrorism by Islamic fundamentalists would either not have existed at all or way less, like you said, this would, however, mean that things like 9/11 or other terrorist attacks in Europe would likely not have happened. In our time Saudi Arabia funds a lot of mosques that preach fundamentalist Islam like Salafism or Wahabism, this would obviously not have been the case meaning that terrorism by Islamic fundamentalists wouldn't have happened. Another important part, in my opinion, would be that groups like the RAF or the IRA wouldn't have supported a free Palestine seeing as it was already free, in a sense anyway. This would also have an effect on other things, Socialist and Communist guerilla groups or political parties likely wouldn't have had to deal with anti-semetic controversies like in our timeline because there is no reason to oppose the Jews because Israel doesn't exist. This could cause them to be more popular and could have resulted in a lot more support for socialist or communist groups.
My thoughts exactly; in an alternate timeline with a united Arabia, there wouldn't be all these terrorist attacks like with 9/11 or the more recent ones in Europe, granted Terrorism could still exist of course but it wouldn't be as prosperous or supported as it is in our timeline.
And sure, without Israel there wouldn't be much oppression between the European Jews and the general Arab people like in our timeline.
That said however, even if a united arab kingdom would definitely be better than the region we got in our timeline today, it still wouldn't be very peaceful since there could still be conflict within the state, just different kinds of conflict.
But this is of the perspective that 9/11 was instead what the government claims it was, rather than the reality that it was a government planned and done False Flag in order to gain support from the citizens and a false "reason for war" with Iraq and Iran over them switching from the PetraDollar (USD) to the Euro in their trading of Oil & other petroleum based products. And either way, it could create it's own alternate story line. And this has got to be said too - You assume that just because the Islamic fundamentalists (the Sunni ones) gain their own unitary country that it'd somehow cause them to suddenly not feel a need to rebel or wreak havoc... which is puzzling to me.
The thing about Alternate History is that the further back in time you go, the more possible changes could happen. As he demonstrated, he provided 3 likely scenarios and only went as far as the cold war in terms of modern times. As such, with alternate history theories, the further back you go, the more complex history could have turned out. As much as we would like to think, we won't know if abiding by the original treaty would have prevented the Terrorism we know today. There would be so many different political ideologies and decisions due to this that there could be 300 different ways that it could have gone by the time we were born (i was born in the 90s, so...). Is what you say possible? sure, but it's hard to tell when we only know so much.
That's really not true, there are several terror groups that were inspired by other Western actions that had nothing to do with this fictional arab state. For instance Iranian terrorism would still be a thing given how we overthrew their democratic leadership, Pakistani Islamic extremism would still be a thing and last but not least Chechyn Islamic extremism would definitely still be a problem. No 9/11 though to be fair
@@TheCriminalViolin 9/11 was not a false flag plan, you give bush to much credit. The US/Bush did not make it happen so much as they let it happen it then exploded the situation after.
I'm a little surprised there were not even a slight mention of Israel. There won't be the Arab-Israel conflict and that would actually change a lot. Also the mention of the other sects of Islam like Ibadism or Shi'ism in the Southern part would clash with the Hashemites who are Sunni. Also a war with Iran would be possible as it might see the Sunni state as a second Ottoman empire but just Arabs.
who said they'd clash?The entire Sunni-shia bullcrap has only exploded recently,because well the gulf states' proganda machine created a conflict out of nothing
There are just too many posibilities to really go deep in most things, I mean the land could have easily be too much for one group to control and we could find ourself with a similar number of states but with more natural borders.
Kewl Well The Shi’a will not clash remember that saddam hussian was Sunni and most iraqi’s were Shi’a and they didn’t rebel even after the invasion of Iran
Eiman Danial I could see a war with Iran being possible if they went down the third Baathist path, but other than that, on religious grounds, there isn’t much to fight about, save maybe land or resources (you know, how most wars begin).
A very fascinating concept. This is definitely a Alternate History I would love to see explored in a miniseries of sorts, television would be a great medium to tell this story.
I felt like maybe you could have brought up Israel a bit more? I'd be really curious to see what would happen in this timeline; would it just not form? Form and be conquered? Cause an international crisis?
There'd most likely be a refugee crisis in the Western world over Jewish refugees post WW2 as I doubt the Arabians would give away some oil rich, Muslim land to Jews.
Shadman Chowdhury Israel has almost no oil.
Fair point. I'm sure they wouldn't give up holy land/strategically important land though.
Shadman Chowdhury Pretty sure more Jews will move to the Western World or more into Russia
My theory would be a sizeable Jewish minority or even plarity in Palestine/Jerusalem. With larger Jewish populations in North America, Argentina, Australia, Western Europe, Ethiopia and maybe Russia. Jewish settler-Arab conflicts are still common but deeply favor the Arabs. With the larger Jewish diaspora and human rights groups pressuring Jewish minority rights in Arabia.
What if Celtic nationalism became a thing , like Slavic or German nationalism , and cause the Celtic states i.e. Ireland , Scotland , the isle of Mann , Wales , Cornwall and Brittany ( and why not through in nova Scotia As Well ) to unite
Also seriously , you're writing a book on a scenario that you said you would never do a video on?
*Remove Anglo-Saxons Intensifies*
It's pretty much already a thing Being Scottish I know far to well the intentions of the Scottish Nationalist party and the majority of Ireland already is independent and the Welsh still cling very hard to their Celtic identity ( just take a look at any sign in wales) all they need to do is federalize
The honorable East India Company yeah that's my point just in the 1800s and with all of them having the goal of becoming a single state , btw Celtic not keltic
so it's basically the modern state of Britain except we ethnically cleansed the isles of the Saxons and Scandinavians
The honorable East India Company I mean ... whatever you feel like doing that's fine but I meant no England involved just the Celtic states in a single country
CONGRATS ON YOUR BOOK!! I love the idea of delving into the antropa (probs misspelled it) project as I could imagine exactly how badly it'd mess up the ecology of the entire Mediterranean region and cause a general mess of things (seriously, the Mediterranean is so incredibly salty due to evaporation- getting rid of it would destroy the ocean conveyor belt and earth's climate). I can't wait to read it!
Cody: "Baathism is a sort of weird blend between socialism and nationalism."
Me: "wait a minute..."
What if Caesar never marched on Rome?
Alex Golembeski, then Ceasar wouldn’t lose men
I was once supposed to write a research paper about that, never finished it though.
But as far as I remember, that could've completely changed the "Roman Empire" and since caesar's life had significantly influenced later historical figures, this could've even changed modern history.
There's honestly way too much to consider and not enough reliable sources to give any definitive answers.
What if Caesar never marched on the Hoover Dam?
What is Yugoslavia never broke up?
FantarCro
France would loose 2018 World cup in Russia
私は誰もいません Croatia played better football
Oh god I hate the idea and suggestion of that ever occurring. Fucking Serbia, man. Horrid, evil, manipulative and dictatorial assholes forcing the formation of Yugoslavia, getting pissed over the others wanting to leave, then deciding to commit genocide on Bosniaks & Croats out of sheer spite for leaving Yugoslavia. No, I'm good avoiding that notion and idea, even if fictional, thank you. God help us all if that ever happened... poor poor people... yikes.
If Yugoslavia never broke up then we would have breakup wars in 2018 instead of 1990.
TheCriminalViolin you seem to be very hateful of Serbians they are not bad people it’s just those couple people that did bad stuff
You know What?
Sand!!!
**Vader turns on his lightsaber**
Hello there!
I FOUND SAND!
SpartanGerm 212 General Kenobi
Prussian Eagle Star Wars reference
*@AlternateHistoryHub, I'm just seeing this video in March of 2019, has your book been published yet & if so where? I sounds like a great read & I want to purchase a copy.*
What if the Boer Wars never happened? Also, congratulations on writing a novel!
Can you do a part two as to what would have happened to other groups in the region? Would the Shiites and Sunnis live together without actual wars? Would the Kurds be in this state as well? What would have happened to the Jews after WW2 with no Israel to go to?
Also how would this Arab Republic live with their neighbours, Iran/Turkey/Egypt. Given their oil wealth, what influence would they have over other Muslim countries, from Nth Africa to Indonesia.
actually israel would exist, its not commonly known but hussain bin ali was willing to reconize a future independant jewish state in same area, under the condition the arabs would rule the holy places within jerusalem..
and even if things would go badly and war would break out, in our timeline the jewish defeated united arabic armies, so i would see no reason it would be very different in this timeline (unlike the common belief, the balfour dacalarion only had symbolic meaning, with no actual effects on the jewish settements prior to israel, so yes, israel would exist)
Recently there’s been a gigantic trend of stories with “ancient civilizations with technology more advanced than our own”. I was wondering, what would happen if this was actually a thing?
أمة عربية واحدة , رسالة خالدة
a united Arabic nation ,an immortal message
What is it?
@@SFFRN19 the bathesim motto
@Will DeMarco arabic?
@@littlefinger7522 If u mean what the comment said then yes it was in Arabic if you are asking what he meant by the Syrian Arab Republic then ya it is Arab as its in the Arabia area
@Will DeMarco Inshallah they will live as a strong and peaceful country
This take on an alternative history of the middle East is most plausible. Still, the lack of Egypt in this unified Arab state would have a vast effect on the shape of the nation. Perhaps modern Egypt would be the same as the British would get out of Egypt around the same time they did in our timeline. There is also Israel, which doesn't exist in this alternative timeline. Arab dictators in the 20th century used Israel as a scapegoat to distract the public.
Alternative history is fun.
No it is not most plausible in fact the third timeline makes no sense what so ever. Ba'athism was created because there was not a united Arab state so in a world where there is a united Arab kingdom than there still not be Ba'athism to begin with and Cody don't seem to understand what Ba'athism is even is.
Nationalist and socialist you say?
I sure hope a Turkish, Iranian or Egyptian person doesn’t fail art school and go into politics in this Arabia kingdom…
Mmmmmmm I'm gonna say that if I had to pick, it would be the Baathist reality, but altered to where the Baathists and the West got more friendly, and America sort of acted as the neutral 3rd party between the 2. The Baathists, although a bit too socialist and autocratic for my tastes, actually had a good goal-renaissance. It was avoiding both Communism and American led western imperialism.
It seemed a good middle ground.
The middle east needs to find itself and heal from the wounds of western imperialism, and a history of tribal and religious strife. However, it doesn't need to be taken over by Rothschild USSR....or Rothschild Israel...or Rothschild wall street/Britain etc.
The Baathists wanted a lot of the right changes, but maybe if they compromised a few things with the US so that the US could help slowly ease society in the ME to have a status quo that became more and more accommodating to Baathist demands and vision, in exchange for having the Baathists refrain from throwing a coup and establishing a dictatorship, and also to be on good terms with us as future business partners, I would think that would be the best scenario for what's morally right.
This is a man who cares about his work and his listeners. Will definitely be buying your book!
Hey Cody, this is a great video idea:
An all theory-in-one video, like for example: the decision that ruined the Middle East, and all the videos excluding the ones where the countries never existed, or where nothing works because i.e.: napoleon never came to power, then Germany never existed, and stuff like that. Everyone else please give a like if you like this idea.
Awesome video, awesome book concept! I love the detail you put into this video and care, for a region that is so sorely misunderstood and pushed to the side. I also can't wait to see what your book is about exactly. Keep moving forward Cody! You're doing great buddy!
I have an idea: what if the nazis never got any strength and Germany went communist?
Prussian Eagle and possibly align with the USSR, meaning there’s a possibility it could win the Cold War and world turns communist
So you're saying Nazis was the good outcome? It's Red Alert all over again.
@Rythlar: "possibly align with the USSR"
Not necessarily. The Stalinists were the nationalist faction of Communism. The German communists at that time were the Internationalist faction. They would have perceived each other as enemies. An alliance would be more like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact before WWII. (Moreso, Germans being German, they would have seen the Russians as innately subservient to German Communism. Stalin, being Stalin, wouldn't have put up with that shit.)
And Internationalist-Communists in Germany wouldn't invade everyone around them, as the Nazi's did. They'd be trying to seed internal revolutions in their neighbours, and around the world. They'd also sow Socialist-leaning nativist movements in the European colonies, distracting Britain/France/Spain to constantly quench rebellions abroad, as well as facing unrest at home. It would be a fundamentally different philosophy of war.
1FatLittleMonkey:
Keep in mind that the "communism in one country" idea was at least partially born out of necessity. Because they knew they couldn't fight the entire rest of the world. With another powerful communist ally - even if it was a slightly different brand of communism - Stalin might have changed his mind.
Hell, Germany might have even been the leading partner in that, given that they were both more industrialised AND could bost themselves as the birthplace of Marx and Engels.
Sure, maybe the alliance wouldn't have held forever (much like the sino-soviet-split), but they might have worked together for quite a while. And Europe would be a radically different place. Probably starting with the spanish civil war where the Republicans would have won and the more radical elements among them rising to power, both thanks to communist support from abroad. France would see themselves surrounded and so would have Poland.
Would have been a short war, though.
As far as i know the communists didn't have that much support.The Nazis didn't even have that much support either.The only reason Hitler came to power was because Hindenburg just made him Chancellor.
Great video! Liked and subscribed!
“Baathism is an ideology that is a strange blend of socialism, and nationalism”
OH GOD NOT AGAIN
You're totally wrong. The Middle East/Arab world would be more stable if it was unified.
That's why they divided us.
Yes, when muslims were united under umayyads or ottomans, we were world powers. They divide us and make us fight so they can get the oil in the soil
What if Jerusalem was made into its own state like The Vatican?
They have great fhlafel
Imposible, Its city of heaven, everyone wants it.
If Jerusalem was a state it'll be a another (miniature) Israel - due to the fact that Jews have a clear majority in the city.
Benjamin Edelman Not really if you include Jordanians and giving both the Palestinians and Israelis the right to return. I think it would be even with Arabs having a slight advantage. If you remove Jordanians (not Palestinian Jordanians) then the Jews will be the slight majority.
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong tho
@negro bsr Jordan was once United with Palestine in the name of “TransJordan” hence my inclusion of them. Jordanians would easily be able to move in Jerusalem given the opportunity.
Either way, it’ll be marginal
Wow thanks, I have always found the collapse of the middle east kind of vague. This video is really good, keep it up