Why is the Su-35 Tough for Patriot Missiles to Hit
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2024
- Not all aircraft are built for the same kind of fight. When facing a modern air defense system, some jets are like nimble boxers, dodging and weaving with incredible agility. Others, while powerful, might be more like brawlers, tough and effective, but not as quick to slip a punch. This difference in strengths can make a world of difference when it comes to surviving a sophisticated missile attack.
Take the Su-34 and Su-35 case, for example. Both are Russian jets that trace their roots back to the legendary Soviet Su-27. At first glance, these machines might seem like twins from the same hangar. But recent events, like the one reported by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense on March 2nd 2024, have shown a surprising difference in how well they handle threats like the advanced Patriot surface-to-air missile.
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*Please cite source for the 12 "Downed" SU -34's because the reports were NEVER verified*
Ukrainians say that 😂
SU-34 is a Ground attack derivative of the SU-27, not related to Su-35. Ground attack and CAS missions are always more dangerous, some losses are inevitable. Still Ukrainian “victory” figures are Inflated.
latest photos don't show missile damage
At times like this I just think, what would the "brilliant mind" of John Kirby say?
@@zksstalstawidlo9015 That one is suspect
Well... one is a bomber, the other is a fighter...
yes, Like comparing a lancaster to a spitfire.
That is absolutely correct
What happened to Ukraine's navy? Ukraine is benefitting from the fact that Russia cannot attack NATO satellites- yet
I thought both were bummers.
@@nissekarlsson3172 Guess you thought wrong huh !!!!
It won't be surprising if west start calling you pro Russia 😂
either that or drop ratings on Google/youtube
It's not easy getting the truth these days. You can trust the media, especially not the western ones.
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Can be fitted with hypersonic shovels
Yes it can. It has more powerful engines that the Su34 and its avionics suite is more advanced
? You what?
THE RUSSIANS SHOULD START ARMING ALL THEIR MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS WITH ONLY THE KINZHAL AND ZIRCON MISSILES OR MAYBE SOME SMALLER LESS EXPENSIVE MISSILES WITH HYPERSONIC CAPABILITIES
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THE RUSSIANS NEED TO PUT IN THE LASTEST AVIONICS JAMMING CAPABILITIES AND PROJECTING COUNTERMEASURES SUITE ON ALL THEIR PLANES ✈️ INCLUDING THE SU-25 GRACH-FLYING TANK “FROGFOOT” HEAVILY ARMORED MILITARY AIRCRAFT FOR CLOSE AIR SUPPORT FOR GROUND TROOPS
😂😂😂and washing machine chips
The Russians build beautiful, tough fighter planes.
Wow, I was just wondering how powerful the Su-35 was, and thank you for the useful information.
I'd go find a few other channels to get the "useful information"
"useful" 💀
Beautiful aircraft
Nice copy.
@@whynot6795 all US copied of Russian jet 😂😂😂
Depending on where you read, patriots don’t actually hit much….
Patriot isn't even the equivalent of the S300
Su-35 doesn't have canards, the Su-30 and 37 do.
Your're right.
Su30Sm, Su34 and Su37, have canards
@@poulidisnikolaos5528
TOTALLY RIGHT I KNOW THAT SOMEONE DIDN’T SLEEP DURING THIS VIDEO AND PAID ATTENTION
The SU-35 has 3D Vectored thrust though.
@@user-bk6gx7sg3j can you please explain what our canards? Thank you.
Wel one is a bomber that has to operates close to the frontlines the other can keep a safe distance... that mey be the most decisive factor
The simple truth is that Fullbacks are far more likely to operate over Ukraine than Flankers.
They operate side by side. SU-35 covers the SU-34, the SU-34 is a bit bigger though, a bit less maneuverable but still performs remarkably well for a bomber.
You're the first to tell the truth,we're always told of how best is the F35 and Patriots miss8
They talked the same stories about the F117, then it gets downed by half century old technology.
F35s would down every single su35 in an air to air combat. It's not even a question. What point are you trying to make? Also take into consideration that it's not Americans using the Patriot missle system in Ukraine. American military is obviously going to be the most effective with American aircraft and defense systems. Furthermore if you want to talk about bullshitting, communist Russia is the king of over exaggeration their equipment and capabilities.
Su-35S - UFO 😎💪
Unknown flying objects 😊
The missiles on outside of the jet give off a signature that is picked up on radar from MASH.
those are not missiles...those are electronic warfare pods/jamming etc...
@@Lipi19821 You have severe reading comprehension problems.
Exactly get your facts right an that Iron dome does not seem to be working just an expensive waste of money
@@jarrodwilson2382 WHAT!!!!!! ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I thought thst MASH was a film (movie) from the Korean war times.
It's like that scene in Top Gun Maverick when the enemy G turned that Missile
Both Su-34 and Su-35 have Ground Radar Geolocator and ECM Khibiny module on wingtips. But Patriot Radar is not AESA only Phased Array. To evade Patriot Pac2 missile, 3D Thrust Vectoring on Su-35 and Patriot old Radar are key factors. When Su-35's MWR alerts pilot, pilot can do zero or very low air speed mode (like unflying object) using 3D Thrust Vectoring to deceive the radar and lost target lock via TVM. Why 2 numbers Su-35 were hit? Aircrafts are not everythig. Pilots (manned or AI) can differ.
Low speed flying as a way to break a target lock will only work on pulsed Doppler look down radars. The key here is look down radar it will only work on a radar looking down from higher altitude ie an airborne radar. Patriot is ground based so this technique won’t work, if fact reducing speed will just put the target aircraft in a position of being less able to use rapid manoeuvres to evade final interception.
@@alfretwell428 Patriot radar also uses Doppler filter. Otherwise, radar scope will be filled up with geographic clutter (mountains, hill) and also even birds. So, doppler filter is not in use only for airborne radars.
There's NO Carnards on the 35.. He said there was?
Not bad for broke washing machine parts.
NO BAD AT ALL IF YOU LOOK AT IT THE BUILD AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE SU-35 IT IS A VERY HUGE POWER MILITARY PLANE IT IS AFTER ALL A FIGHTER/BOMBER WITH A VERY STRONG RIGID AIRFRAME AND POWERFUL ENGINES MADE TO CARRY EXTREMELY HEAVY ORDNANCE PAYLOADS BOMBS 💣 AND MISSILES AND BE ABLE TO LAST A LONG TIME
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It's a piece of junk.😂
There should be a limit for self-delusion.
@@brucemcglassonyou are delusional 😆
When was the last time Patriot Missile targeted and hit Su-35 ?
When the last one was not yet destroyed by the Russians. The Ukrainian, or rather the NATO, operators, have fired all of their anti air missiles at all the Russian aircraft, without much success
@@user-bk6gx7sg3j Keep believing what your government is telling you , and why havent you took Ukrine yet ??
@@keithbell6104 What is Ukrine?
@@keithbell6104"Yet" for if what Putin is praying for happens, Trump been Elected, its Game over for Ukraine, as without US support, which Trump has promised to change, Ukraine will be in deep trouble.
su 35 terbukti di medan laga mampu mengatasi situasi sulit di.tengah rapatnya pertahanan udara ukraina
Not just Ukraine but also Nato air defences
@@albrightomar5892no hate but when please give a example. Btw I don't know when that happened?
To do tight high g evasive manuever is taking toll on the pilot. Most of time patriot launch a volley of 2 missile upon lock. So to evade those 2 missile is quite hard. And if su35 manage to do this, it was a very good feat.
The missile definitely has the advantage. It doesn't have a pilot inside limiting the g-forces and also has lower mass meaning less inertia.
Having subsystems to allow it to turn that quickly increases weight reduces range etc...
скорость ракеты гораздо больше самолёта, поэтому и перегрузка у ракеты намного больше, она просто развалится в воздухе, если попытается резко изменить направление движения.
@@user-fy3bd2lk9jhe's measure inertia by kg lols..
and also 6 to 10 times faster than a jet on average...
Modern variants of the R-37 missiles have a second stage of burn once the missile runs on its terminal guidance. It's certainly not out of the question. nPython IR missiles have crazy performance. Based on publicly available info they have been modeled into gaming to perform up to 540°turns in certain situations. Missile tech getting pretty serious@@kamilhorvat8290
The graphic used the DDE 599........Full Send It
'Lotta adjectives here without the necessary qualification that manoeuverability means little without a _very _*_well trained pilot_* to use it.
More likely the Su-34s have proven vulnerable because of their mission profiles : high altitude glide bomb runs as opposed to the Su-35s hanging back or staying low.
---- Best way to beat a Patriot is to break line-of-sight from it's ground radar *as early as possible.* The nose radars of the PAC-2 missiles don't have great range and are mostly for accurate terminal guidance.
I think it's not the hardware but the pilot. The pilots desire to live and experience is the key to survival.
They said that G-turns are only for airshow.
no plain can outturn a missle. there must be some electronic war fair involved, that's like claiming a tracker trailer can outturn a go-cart.
They use both, but fighter jets have out manoeuvred missiles for years, while a missile is far faster than the jet it is less manoeuvrable, very high speed means difficulties in making very sharp turns in the last second, like stepping out of the way of a fast car at the last second, it cannot react in time.
YOU BETTER do a G turn if you want to be live!
Whike stationed at Potosi West of Vegas, we went into the Karnak for Buffet & there was a Sega Testing room & I jumped on a ball turret sim anrbspent most if the next 60 seconds dounf corkscrews once the other jet showed up. I survived but wish I had video of that ball going round & round - not even any G-Force either!
SU 35 doesn't have canards. One of the prototypes did though. SU 34 has canards.
The SU-35 is an exceptional fighter but you totally neglected to mention that Ukraine uses PAC-2 Patriot batteries, not the newest 360radar batteries, not even PAC-3. I recommend people check LTAMDS Radar for Patriot.
Russia destroys those Radars anyway, cuz that's the Joke, son...
That's why Z is whingeing for more $$$ & more Systems for Russia to Target & Destroy.
Let me get this straight: A fighter is more maneuverable than a bomber? Who knew??
Let me get this straight. You skipped and didnt watch the video properly.
@@prashanthb6521 Nope.
SU34 is also a very maneuverable jet it’s a bomber that can go head to head in to a dog fight with fighter jets such as F-18 F16 and F15.
The US have received full intelligence on the SU35; I must say the cannon on that sob is really something!
I shouldn't believe on that videos said patriot missile can destroy any plane
I think the future of drone fighters will be able to turn a lot more aggressive.
Thought it has 9G, Su 35 cannot counter F 15 in dogfight.
Very agile and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft in the world.
He shows a Su35 dropping flares! Lmao even the stinger manpad has a very good chance of taking one down. That's why Russian pilots do not do direct close in air support. It has anti- flare software and is being constantly improved.
You could literally not be further from correct in how you describe the interplay of a missile and an aircraft in a high g turn.
The turn does not in any way effect the missile's radar lock on the aircraft.
Turning the aircraft forces the missile to turn, bleeding its energy away due to friction, causing it to slow down, lose effective range, and run out of momentum before it can strike the aircraft.
do you have the actual footage? or this is all talk?
True justice will depend on who is making the video😂😂😂
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russians. Thats why fairy tale looks like truth
along with this video, I recommend listening to the song 'just dream on', a great combination
I want them so bad in War Thunder. Need that CAS plane, to replace my sub-sonic premium Su-25bm.
Su-34 only need a ecm modernization and twc engines .
Dedicated long range strike bomber with combat range of 680miles....!?!
Washing machine technology at its best❤❤❤
U can not believe what Uraine they will say anything to make people believe they are winning the lost war😂😂
Smrt Banderovcům
They already cross the border onto Russia what are you talking about?
Cool story bro, but satellite images don't lie 😂😂
Do they have cope cages
SU 35 also has insane EW abilities. Able to make the missile go stupid.
We want the videos to have Turkish subtitles.🙏
Air you could thumb thru GZT channel's list of English dubbed vids. Some are very serious military discussion.
Very Seriously Polite the Turks.
(Except for Czenk - he's Alex Jones Turk-Clone)
Patriot should not be used for that, there are more suitable missiles for that purpose.
Very well done, quite educational.
Regards from a Canadian friend,
Liam
Because the patriot was destroyed long before the Su-35 took off😂
And WHO destroyed the patriot?
@@polygamous1Drones... and one patriot was lost to Iskander M
@@polygamous1 SU-34 with FAB glide-addon wings, or Iskander!
Maybe that was a really good pilot. You need more data to see if it was a one off.
Just because Ukraine posted the picture, you guys already believed it?
Z is the Prophet of NATO and MUST be believed!!!
Thanks God we have Russian Telegram to see everything from other side .
Is not the plane, is the pilot...
It's both
Can't have a race car driver sitting inside of a Toyota Prius expecting to win a formula One 😅
Top G
It flies at home
SU-35 has no canards
There were no Patriot missiles in Ukraine but there were downed su 35’s
Patriots in Ukraine will be in vital areas not on the front line their kill range is fairly short and the Russian jets have been staying out of it pretty simple really.
What a beautifull and powerful machine, sadly for killing people 😢 like other machines
new planes are usually better for you and worse for your enemy systems .
Google
Nine reasons the Russian Air Force lost more than 26 Su-35, 36 Su-34 and 2 A-50 Early Warning Aircraft.
Patriot is not designed for a ground attack that is what the russian airforce does best is stay on the ground because they are running short of together s300 missile 😂😂😂😂😂
wrong usage of the su 34 on the begining
Very Interested to see this Aircraft Identification and Comparison video.
Somethimes the Soviet and Russian numbers get me lost.
I once has an Su-2x something that was a DOS simulator down to releasing the parking brake then accelerating and taking off, and this was in EZ Mode! (I didn't have pedals or joystick, etc & keyboarding was very tough)
Where are these F-35B, F-35A, F-35C fighter jets hiding in the West and america man??🙈
Maybe because the dont have to pay 90,000$ for a bag of turbine bushing
So this guy say SU-3x pilot strategy to defend from a 160km range Patriot missile is hand dodging it using supermanouvrability?? Come on guys ... really???
Who the hack is dogfighting these days - well, except of course a fight in the DCS with some Spitfires of the WWII.
Even F4 Phantom was designed without a cannon...
Missiles have proximity fuse, dog fighting those are impossible. 🤷♂ It's just a youtube video.
Russia Soviet Union USSR are all the same thing the hell with initials Raymond Paul Sullivan III
your point being?
Sovoks just got Old.
Putin leads the Young Russians
Z leads the middle aged down the garden path.
this analyzed Su-35 against Patriots antiair defense is a Russians say; Don't forget Patriots shut down Russia's Kinzel hypersonic missiles with 9 time the speed of sound.
What have you been watching the debry which the Ukrainians showed was an iskander 😂😂😅😂😅
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh wow you got your sources from the ukrenians or the brits? The USA haven’t confirmed 😮😮😮😮
@@albrightomar5892 no that was Kinzel hypersonic missiles head
Patriots even have no time to fart when hypersonic missiles are incoming. Most of the delivered Patriots are gone. This is why the "comic-in-chief " is begging for more and more.
@@albrightomar5892I’m not even sure that it can shoot down an iskander
This is a direct copy of Defense Tv's video
Viewers Survey of A.I. voicings, perhaps?
Answer: it is not. Just get into the range a scary bird ;-)
Wasn't this video made before?!
The Su 35 is more powerful jet than the American made F22 and F35 in terms of real combat operations. Can anyone explain if one was shot down by the patriot air defense system in Ukraine war?
It's not 1 it's in hundreds hard to count..
Su 35 is sooo powerful, thats why no one wants to buy it 😂
The problem is UKraine hasn’t got the missiles for the system
Very Briefed And Summarized Ideas:
I think that the Russians should experiment by converting part of their stock of obsolete fighter-bomber aircrafts into attack drones, and try to seize air supremacy over cities and vital sectors of the Ukrainian geography... Russia has a stock of MiG-23/27 and MiG-29 that can be developed into fighter/strike drones after providing them with technology that enhances survivability, supplying them with radar warning receiver rwr/ missile approach warning receiver mawr and then using them in the form of air masses or large formations from several air divisions to try to seize air supremacy or st least the air superiority over important parts of Ukrainian geography...
It is possible to launch hundreds of guided combat drones (MiG-29, MiG-27, MiG-23) towards, for example, the capital, Kiev, and at the same time use the Su-35 or MiG-31 from the skies over Belarus equipped with the Kh-31p anti radiation missile or any tactical surface-to-air missile with hypersonic properties to conduct (DEAD or SEAD) missions destroying enemy air defense systems or suppressing enemy air defense systems and gradually gaining the air supremacy over the Kiev oblast at least above 6000m.
By the way, I think it is possible to develop a model of the r33/37 air2air with a ranges between 200 and 400km with speed of 4.5mach&6 mach, to be anti-radation missile, although the 60 kg payloads is considered much less than comparable anti radiation missiles but this weight
is much heavier than the 6kg useful payloads of the 155/152mm laser guided artillery rounds which is used effectively in destroying heavy air defense systems across Ukrainian theaters of operations.
for example, I think the r37 is supposed to have the ability to homing on the electromagnetic sensors (radars) carried by the AWACS and JSTAR aircraft, not only homing on the large radar cross-section of those aircraft's, these qualities should qualifyed the heavy long range air2air missile to engage the ground and naval based radar systems...
Moving Past the "to:dr" part...
Spring 1980 I was up on the Mogollon Rim (AZ) and saw a B-53 with its cabin windiws taped 8ff flying by wire at 500 foot altitude.
(planting trees)
Also have seen A-10's flying slow in tandem maybe also tested as drone work.
The SR-71's used to do "Touch & Go" runs over South Tucson)
Bravo Iran
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It's not hard that's why Soo many got shot down Soo far
One occasion is hardly the basis for proven fact, perhaps the Patriot was faulty? Tell Putler to send 50 within range of the Patriot batteries, then we can begin to assess if there are significant differences - say 15% surviving instead of 5% perhaps?
Like you expect War to be Fair?
F16 pilots - hold my bear
😅 so proud of f16 only effective against farmers in afghan.. iraq libya .. but cnt in syria coz s400 presence lol
Because the patriots doesn't speak russian .
I like Russia jets but modern day all jets can be brought down doesnt matter hoe advanced they are.
12 su35 destroyed vs 500 Ukrainian plains destroyed by S400 and S300 begs a question about effectiveness to cost ratio of Patriot system
Vector delay and geometry
SU 35 usually shot down by S400😅😅😅
You do know the Patriot missile system was never designed for anti aircraft. It was designed for missile defense. If a country has taken a missile defense system and is using it effectively as a anti aircraft system. That means the opposing air force just sucks.
Don't confuse them with facts
Excuses, excuses
No, MIM-104 is a surface to air missile system that has gradually been upgraded to give a limited anti ballistic missile capability. Basically you couldn't be more wrong.
Initially yes but they developed missiles and systems exactly for the ground to air role, and the Ukrainians are now out of missiles and units so they aren’t wonder weapons, hence the Ukrainians are begging again for more. The the number of units a destroyed and missiles expended on cheap cruise missiles and drones must be many billions.
@@user-xq8vv7pq6j Let's talk about facts.
President Ronald Regan in the 70's talk about a space base missile defense system. The press dubbed it "Star Wars". The system never made it to operational status. The bastard child of that system was the Patriot missile defense system.
The Air Force was suppose to be deployed them Greenham Common, UK and Brindisi, IT. The fall of the Soviet Union cancelled the deployment of the system in Europe. The Air Force didn't get them and the Army did. What they decided to do with them after I left the Air Force. I don't know. But when I was in service. Patriots were for missile defense.
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They are hard to hit, because they stay out of rsnge
Another stupid comment...if these sights and videos had an IQ test for every comment before hand you !! You Would not be allowed or able to post because of stupidity 😅😅
I love Russian fighter aircrafts...they are beautifully designed... elegant to look , robust build ❤ imagine how SU 57 would be...it's simply stunning 🫶
During the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian air force deployed the Su-35S from February 2022 to secure airspace and against ground targets. According to OSINT sources, at least seven Su-35Ss had been shot down, destroyed on the ground or lost for technical reasons by mid-March 2024. Iran: Then have "fun" with the lame duck
7 lost. 50 new buildt...
The Russian air force is stronger than it was 2 years ago. Way stronger.
And Ukraine is falling apart as we speak.
this fighter is usless,,sure dont used patriot to take this stuff down just AIM-26 trust me this SU will hit. Good manouvre is just for marketing issue since it only could be done in low speed say 300km/hr maks in super sonic dont think that it could make it...
You can see on the video the damage Plane was am SU24
The lighter jet of my choice SU25
But yet over two years fighting mighty Russia doesn't have air superiority? Even with these planes? Makes you wonder how bad their air force really is. Plus they have lost many A-50s by friendly fire etc. according to Russian officials.
Laughs in FAB-500
thats just bullshit talk. the Russian jets are mainly used when necessary and they have done sever damage to Ukraine--but who wants to put the fighter jets and themselves at risk if the enemy has a good defense in place? are they stupid? besides, Russia doesn't even have to sue its jets, they already have other systems to do all they need. where are u getting your news from? probably the western news media
So the nearly 700 fabs a week landing on the front lines in Ukraine killing hundreds of undefended troops isn’t air superiority??. The Ukraine airforce are totally absent !!!!
Because Russia does not carpet bomb entire cities like the US or Israel, they still have superiority close to the frontlines.
It's a special military operation, not a war of extermination against Ukrainians.
Ukraine is getting F16s with that Russian airforce will never fly again..
good info session but wrong from the start.
because it's an awesome aircraft.
Hmm. If you Light up a SU-35 use a different guidance / missile or a relay? Sorry Ivan!